The Weight is at the Bottom | Unhinged & Immoral Podcast EP 62

Summary

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Unhinged & Immoral Podcast EP. 62

"The Weight is at the Bottom"

Hosts: Jamila Bell and Mecca Evans | March 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

Jamila and Mecca bring their signature blend of humor, realness, and PR savvy to episode 62, diving into everything from body changes and bras to Black pop culture, generational nostalgia, drug safety, and the importance of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). The episode features an open, honest spin on listener drama (“Spin It”), playful reminiscing, and candid conversations about the Black experience—both personal and communal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Boob Talk: Surgery, Bras, and Anatomy Realness

Timestamps: 02:00–11:45

• Jamila announces her upcoming breast lift and augmentation, discussing sizing, expectations, and post-surgery hopes for fuller cleavage.
• The duo trade stories about their own bra sizes and experiences with Victoria’s Secret bras.
  • Mecca: “That Victoria’s Secret push up bra is unfuck widdable.” (04:49)
  • Jamila: “I want the double D’s titty me up.” (04:29)
• Behind-the-scenes of changing bodies—from pregnancy and breastfeeding to the different relationships they’ve had over time with bras, bigger chests, and body image.
• Open confessions about nipples, areolas, and why Jamila asked her surgeon not to resize her areolas:
  • “No, that’s the sex appeal. I love my big areolas. I think they look scrumptious. It goes with the boob.” (09:24, Jamila)
• Reflections on how culturally, women experience and valorize their bodies as they age and change.

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2. Nostalgia, Generation Z and Millennials, and Black Joy

Timestamps: 19:19–48:54

• Reminiscing over school dances, '80s/'90s/'00s music, and cultural touchstones that signified transitions between generations.
  • Mecca: “I feel like I’m the perfect age… I have a good experience because my freshman year of high school, I’m with all the millennials. And as I go through high school… everybody is Gen Z. So you do have a grip on both generations.” (45:48)
• Exploring the joy in nostalgia—music references, old technology, and shared Black pop culture moments.
• The importance and power of weekly TV and communal viewing, as opposed to binge culture.

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3. Black Music, Mainstream Success, and Audience Curation

Timestamps: 19:19–29:48

• In-depth discussions on Lizzo’s performance during Houston Rodeo’s “Black Heritage Night,” the nuances of her audience’s cultural reactions, and what happens when Black artists achieve mainstream (read: non-Black) fan bases.
• Comparisons to Whitney Houston’s crossover, strategy in the music business, and the tightrope of staying rooted in Black culture while chasing mainstream success.
  • Jamila: “Once you put your art out to the world, whoever picks it up is going to pick it up.” (22:27)
  • Mecca: “[Whitney] started to develop her own sense of self… showing that she has a sense of community, and I think that’s ultimately what made Black people… say 'She was us.'” (25:22)

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4. Harm Reduction and Substance Culture

Timestamps: 31:38–43:56

• Honest talk about the fentanyl epidemic, accidental overdoses in both celebrity and everyday Black communities, and the importance of harm reduction.
  • Jamila: “If you do cocaine or whatever… you can use fentanyl test strips to make sure that it is what you’re taking… Narcan will absolutely bring you back to life.” (33:30)
• Personal anecdotes about missing the “window” for trying out certain substances (“I missed my beat to try it!” – Jamila, 39:00), and fears about current drug safety.
• Playful but sobering takes on how drugs have shaped music eras and creative productivity, from ’60s soul to lean-fueled trap.

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5. Spinning Listener Mess: The “Spin It” Segment

Timestamps: 70:43–85:00

• Email topic: “How to Not Be a Jada Pinkett”
  A 22-year-old listener, black bisexual, grapples with her messy dating past (overlapping partners, cheating) and wonders how to prove maturity to a new crush who knows all her old tea.
• Hosts’ advice:
  • “Never tell the person you’re with all your tea until it’s really locked down… Let them think you are [serious].” (81:52, Jamila & Mecca)
  • Ultimately, enjoy the young ho phase but be honest with yourself about whether you’re ready for commitment.
• Crowd-sourced commentary: Expect messiness in WLW (women-loving-women) relationships, especially when paired with pettiness.

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6. The Importance and Future of HBCUs

Timestamps: 53:09–69:33

• Jamila and Mecca reflect on why HBCUs are vital for Black students’ sense of belonging and advocacy for HBCU funding beyond just Howard & Spelman.
  • “Who the hell wants to be in the real world when you don’t have to be? College is never going to be the real world.” (60:09, Jamila)
  • “We are actively losing out… Pour into Morris Brown. Howard and [Spel]House is good, y’all.” (64:13, Jamila)
• The joys and lessons in living in close community, fake adulthood, and the importance of legacy and Black educational structures.

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7. Food, Family, and Black Cultural Entrepreneurship

Timestamps: 94:41–106:32

• Reflections on food reviews (Mama Tina’s gumbo at the Houston Rodeo) and the details that go into “authentic” Black food.
• The uniquely Black tradition of “selling plates” and childhood neighborhood entrepreneurship:
  • “Selling plates is such a Black ass experience… only Black people understand what that means.” (104:42, Jamila)
• Playful sharing of neighborhood stories and nostalgia for entrepreneurial childhoods—including cool cup stands (frozen Kool-Aid in styrofoam cups).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I don’t think using mainstream success to build out your platform is necessarily selling out. As Black artists… use them white folks to advance yourself.” (Jamila, 27:48)
• “This is why she’s the Supreme.” (Mecca, 62:32, on a fellow HBCU student’s answer on representation)
• “Young Ho, Young Ho. You are living a fast life, and I’m not mad at you for it at all… This is when you’re supposed to beautiful your fast ass.” (79:22, Jamila)
• “Selling plates… I need some money right now, me sell a couple plates, and then I’m gonna be done.” (104:08, Jamila)
• “Voice is so important to me. I am, I’m such a voice girl. A voice is very important to me to sex appeal.” (91:17, Jamila)

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Segment Highlights with Timestamps

• Breast surgery & body discussion: 02:00–11:45
• Generational nostalgia & music/drug eras: 19:19–48:54
• Black stardom, audience and authenticity: 19:19–29:48
• Drug epidemic & harm reduction: 31:38–43:56
• HBCU advocacy/community: 53:09–69:33
• "Spin It" listener story: “How to not be a Jada Pinkett”: 70:43–85:00
• Black entrepreneurship & food culture: 94:41–106:32

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Episode Tone & Style

The vibe is classic Jamila & Mecca: deeply Black, unfiltered, comedic, and candid—mixing sharp cultural critique with personal transparency and warm best-friend energy. The language is playful, raunchy but always rooted in authentic lived experience.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is essential for anyone who enjoys honest talk about the changing Black experience—from the body, to music and fame, to safe streets, school memories, food, and the vital work of building and defending community spaces like HBCUs. If you crave jokes, vulnerable moments, and outrageously relatable storytelling, you’ll find a bit of yourself (or someone you know) in every minute of this conversation.

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Transcript

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[Jamila]

She flowing in that cash talk Walk in the booth like Naomi on the cat bar and tell them from the Jaguar it ain't even right though Push me and I might go she ain't getting money. I'm like what the the hype for when them bite flow make my appetite go poof gone. Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them rampant. What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged Immoral. I'm Jamila.

[Mecca]

And I'm Mecca.

[Jamila]

We're gonna get into what? What? We're gonna get into a couple of things this week.

[Mecca]

Look at how Jamila and I are in our robes.

[Jamila]

Yes. It's one of those days.

[Mecca]

We're in house clothes. It's one of those days.

[Jamila]

Yes. We're doing a double recording. So the next time you see me, I will put on some a different shirt. You know, I'm gonna keep these shorts on though. I will Say however, if you're listening to this, a week from today, my boobs will have already been done.

[Mecca]

Yeah. Because this doesn't drop this upcoming week, but it drops next week.

[Jamila]

Yep, yep.

[Mecca]

So they will have already been done when this drops.

[Jamila]

They will have already been done.

[Mecca]

But have the big.

[Jamila]

This day next week. I'm actually. So we're recording on Monday. Next Monday is when I lay on the table.

[Mecca]

Oh, so. So, so this will be the surgery day.

[Jamila]

This is surgery day. This is D day, if you catch my drift.

[Mecca]

I was going to say what size? Do you know what size? Do you know what size they're going to be?

[Jamila]

It. It'll probably end up being around a double D because I'm a D cup now. And I told them I do want to kind of go up a cup size after they lift. Cuz you know, once they lift they do take a little bit of that meat out. And so I said, well, put, put. Fill me back up. Go ahead and put my meat back and then give me a little extra meat while we, while we there. So after you're not that big, you

[Mecca]

didn't have just titties on the table.

[Jamila]

Well, I'm a D cup now, so it's only a extra cup. And I've been a double.

[Mecca]

Really?

[Jamila]

I've been a double D before when I had milk in my tits. So I know exactly what I would look like.

[Mecca]

It's interesting because I'm a D cup, but I wouldn't also think you're. That's how the body's crazy. Because I wouldn't also think you're a D cup. I would have thought she was a B or something.

[Jamila]

I was a B before I had boobs. Before I got pregnant, I was a. I was a, a B.

[Mecca]

Maybe I'm a bigger. Maybe I'm not bigger than ABCD measured. Maybe I'm an E cup. I ain't no E cup.

[Jamila]

But you know, the cup and the band size, I guess it's all, it's all a thing. Yeah. I went to go get size and I was. And I told the lady, I was like, yeah, give me. Because I thought it was a C cup because I lost so much volume. So I was like, yeah, I think I'm a C cup, baby. That C couldn't see me. I was really. And I was like, okay, so I fit into a D cup. But again, I lost a lot of volume from my milk dissipating. So it's like I fit a D cup but at the same time there's space. It's very interesting, but the C cup was, it's way too small for me. Like I was literally spilling out. It was nasty work. So. And I don't like to be uncomfortable. But yeah, after it's all said and done, I mean, I won't know fully until after I. I'm healed up and then I can go get measured. But I should be around a D or a double D. Ideally a double D. I want the double D's titty me up.

[Mecca]

I was gonna say I think I'm a double D now because I, I did get measured at Victoria's secret and I'm a 36. Around the, around the body, around the back, and then double D and I get they push up bra. I ain't gonna lie. That Victoria's Secret push up bra is unfuck widdable. I have yet to to find a push up bra.

[Jamila]

Especially if you get that bombshell. That bombshell bra is a bombshell vest.

[Mecca]

Listen, it ain't no bra.

[Jamila]

All filling. Yeah.

[Mecca]

I have that bra in several different bras because I got it as a gift and then I said, oh, this is an amazing bra. So that's how I ended up getting measured because I went back and I was like with the bra like this exact one because the one I got was like a limited edition. It was had sparkles and glitter all over it. And I was like, just give me the regular nude in this.

[Jamila]

Hello. Got to go nude on them.

[Mecca]

You know, I think I got black. Now that we talking about. You gonna make me order a new one? Because I just feel like. Were you the type of person I feel like when I was in high school?

[Jamila]

Well, I don't like wearing bras, but

[Mecca]

there was a point in time where I only had like one or two bras because I wasn't wearing them that much. And then when I did wear a bra, I was like, I'll just wash it.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I don't have a lot of bras now and I don't know if getting my titties in is gonna make me get more bras. As a matter of fact.

[Mecca]

Oh, it's gonna make you not want to wear bras, I'm telling you.

[Jamila]

I mean, I don't wanna. I don't like wearing bras now because the funny thing is, prior to me having larger boobs, I never understood the beef with wearing bras because when I had a B cup, wearing a bra was fine. Like I didn't have an issue with wearing a bra ever. I didn't Even really need a bra then. But it just made me feel more comfortable with my boobs, with wearing a bra. But once I had got some milk in them titties and they grew up three times as big, like, right? I said, oh, this is why wear bras. Okay. It's. I definitely understand it. Especially like now that they're. They've kind of like slumped over and like the. You know what I'm saying? My girls, My. My girls hang a little bit. I understand. You pick them the bra, pick them back up, put them where. And it gives you good shaping and things like that. I'm like, oh, okay. I see why with bras these days. Yeah. But once the is put back up where they need to be, hey, I'm

[Mecca]

even gonna lie like my stands up. And it wasn't until I hit my second puberty where it was like. Because I didn't. You know, like, when you go through puberty. The first time I didn't get big boobs. But the second time, after, when I was 26, I said, oh, my God, I need a bra. But even then, someone in the chat just said, the nipples are accessories. That's how I've always felt to have my nipples pierced.

[Jamila]

The funny thing is about nipples also. Prior to me getting pregnant, my nipples wouldn't just be hard randomly. Like. Like my nipples.

[Mecca]

You ain't never had a hard dip.

[Jamila]

I've had a hard nip, but they wouldn't be hard randomly. Like, they would just. It was like. Unless I was very cold or I was like, aroused. My nipples would not be hard post getting pregnant and breastfeeding. My nipples are hard 70 of the time. And it's not because it won't be because I'm cold. It'll. And it's not because of Morales. It's just. I don't know.

[Mecca]

Oh, yes.

[Jamila]

Just. It's just different.

[Mecca]

It's just a thing.

[Jamila]

Just different.

[Mecca]

Kim Kardashian based that bra off me because, girl, I just exist.

[Jamila]

So, yeah, I be nipped up. I literally was making a video today, this morning. I ended up deleting it because I didn't realize my nipple was so hard. I was like, what the. Is that my nipple? I need. I. I thought it was something else. I was like, is that my nipple? Girl, delete the whole video. I don't even know what the. I was talking. I don't even care anymore. It was just so distracting. Like, big ass nipple, just looking at you, just pointing and I don't give a damn.

[Mecca]

And don't let the shirt be too thin. Now you're gonna be seeing through the outline of the aerial.

[Jamila]

That big old pepperoni is a big areola. A big, dark areola. Bitch. I got to put them babies away.

[Mecca]

I'll be like, I'm a grown lady, girl.

[Jamila]

The fact. Please. You know, it's funny. Like, it's. It's funny how you think about yourself as an adult versus what you think as a child. Because when I was talking to my doctor about, like, just how I want everything to look, whatever, I specifically told him to please do not make my area look smaller. Like, no, that's the sex appeal. I love my big areolas. I think that.

[Mecca]

And I love how it peeks out the bra.

[Jamila]

They look scrumptious. It goes with the boob.

[Mecca]

Matches who I am with the boob. I'm.

[Jamila]

I'm. I'm her. She is me. I'm every woman.

[Mecca]

I had literally made a TikTok where, you know, sometimes when I make videos and my areola peaks outside my bra or my shirt, he'd be like, oh, you have a nip slip. That's not a dip slip.

[Jamila]

No, that's not.

[Mecca]

If I. If my nipple slips, y' all going to know. Y' all are going to know little.

[Jamila]

The little peekaboo of Just a little pink.

[Mecca]

That was. Girl, I don't give a damn about that. What happened? Someone die?

[Jamila]

No. Jill Scott just announced her tour.

[Mecca]

Okay, Jamila, please. Cuz, it's just been so much death in the air. So that just scared the. Out of me.

[Jamila]

So much pressure. Y' all know I. Y' all know Jill is. Y' all know how I feel about Jill. I love her to pieces. That just. That just made me so excited. I'm so excited. I need to figure out how to be backstage. Squeeze my meat. Not. Jamila turned into Janelle Monae. Listen, the. So I gotta. I'm gonna finish editing my pre op video today because I was trying to figure out a way to, like, show everybody my boobies without showing them my boobies. Because I really wan. Because. Not that I owe anybody an explanation. Be clear. But I know a lot of people are like, jamila, why are you getting your boobs? And you seem to have, like, boobs. It's not like you have really small boobs. And I'm like, I don't have really small boobs anymore. But my boobs have gone through so much change in the past seven years. Like, y' all don't understand the crazy life cycle of my boobies. So I'm gonna, like, show them with, like, pictures, like, showing, like, the beginning of college how small my chest was. And then show my boobs when I was pregnant. I'm going to show them right after pregnancy when that milk, what is. Was at its peak, and then show kind of how it changed over time. And then I'm going to show, like, what the goal is. I want to try to show that, like, with. Via pictures and stuff like that. And what. Because the goal is, like, I wish I could show y' all right here, but my chest, because my boobs have dropped and lost so much volume. It's flat, flat, flat, flat. All the volume is at the bottom of the girl. Like, girl, they here. I want the volume here. Look at this. This is all chest. It's all chummy. That's supposed to be.

[Mecca]

People know that after breastfeeding. That's like a regular.

[Jamila]

No, that's fine. You know, I'm picking them up.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah. Let me tell you. I'm laying on the table afterwards.

[Jamila]

Well, y', all, it's getting hot outside again, which means it is officially taxi season. And I'm here to tell you, I am so behind and so anxious about taxes every year. You know, I am a single mother as well as. This is my first time filing taxes as an influencer, and I honestly have been so anxious not knowing what to do. Thankfully, we have found someone to come and help us out with our taxes because, baby, I don't know what I'm

[Mecca]

doing, because, child, I cannot go to jail like Wesley Snipes. Okay, I. I tried to go on the website and do a little, little type it in, and I don't think the numbers was correct. So we have hit up our friend Tax Time Tony to help us with all of our tax filing needs.

[Jamila]

Absolutely. And if you're interested in getting your taxes done professionally. Now, listen, I know a lot of the girls and guys be folding their arms up on them flyers to do your taxes, but if you're interested in having your taxes done professionally and legally, please hit up our good friend Tax Time Tony. You can hit him up on his website at taxtime time, tony.com.

[Mecca]

or you can hit him on social media, Instagram, specifically at Taxtime Tony.

[Jamila]

I just want my cleavage back. I have to. I have to do a lot to achieve, like, good, juicy cleavage. I don't want to have to do all of that.

[Mecca]

Do you tape it up or do

[Jamila]

you just, like, not just. Just a good bra push and squeeze them. Good squeeze top, good corset and things like that. Okay.

[Mecca]

Because I've seen you where you get it together and it looks like I'll

[Jamila]

give you a little bit of titty meat if need be. And I. And I also was explaining too, like, no shade. I genuinely just want bigger boobs. Like, I've. I've always. I love bigger boobs on. On women. I've always admired big boobied ladies. I just told you, I love Jill Scott. The first when I met her in 2011. This is one of my Roman empires. Obviously, I was enamored by her boobs. And I was just a kid. I was like, oh, my gosh, her boobies are so big. And I just love big boobied women.

[Mecca]

They exposed her nude and she was in the corset and she had the boobs outside the nude. Remember when icloud was getting hacked and was like, people were hacking into icloud to just expose celebrity nudes.

[Jamila]

That was a time that was. I'm so glad I missed that era because y' all would have had me all over the Internet.

[Mecca]

Oh, y' all would have had me. Y' all would have had me leg in the air, lips.

[Jamila]

Whoa.

[Mecca]

Literally me.

[Jamila]

That's crazy. Y' all definitely would have been. Yeah, y' all definitely would have. Would have seen y'.

[Mecca]

All. I've been like, what is my titties from 2016 doing on Twitter?

[Jamila]

And there was like a time where, like, I was sending nudes, like, too much.

[Mecca]

Ain't nobody business.

[Jamila]

Like, it was just getting out of

[Mecca]

town without reason, you know, just because you know what it is? I think it's when you come into, like, your grown woman body, but also when you, like, like your body. Because that's like when I felt like I was like, you know what? Actually I am sexy and everyone has to see me. Because it would just be like, why? Like, why did I send that person in the hoop? I did not understand.

[Jamila]

Yeah. But I wanted to be like, someone

[Mecca]

need to see this.

[Jamila]

I'll be thinking into myself, like, I really hope them, like, lost that real because I was wilding. But I think for the most part, if I can remember correctly, for the most part, I. I wasn't a face girl because I've one thing about me, y', all. I tell y'. All, I don't tell a lie. I've always known I was going to be famous. I was always the gold in life. So I thought about that when taking my nudes back in the day. I'm like, cuz if this gets out when I'm famous, Ten years from now, I'm gonna be pissed. So I would never put my face in the nude. Now, there might be some identifiable markers.

[Mecca]

I definitely put my face in them.

[Jamila]

Some people got face news, the ones the. The boys that I really, really trusted. But even then, it was like, it wouldn't even be anything scandalous if my face was in it. Like, I would still be covered. It wasn't a full nude if my face was in it. Because, again, I just. The. The. The hauntingness of fame has always. It's always haunted me.

[Mecca]

Trey asked if our nudes got leaked today. What are we doing?

[Jamila]

I'm making a joke out of it. You have to know.

[Mecca]

I mean, what I was gonna say. What can we do? Yeah, I would sue. I would. First of all, I know who I sent what to, so I'm suing the person. I'm figuring out the evidence off principle, not because I'm ashamed, but I just think that that's, like.

[Jamila]

And unfortunately for me, I wouldn't know who it came from, because I recycle the same pictures. Could have been any one of them.

[Mecca]

It could be anybody.

[Jamila]

But if. If I would be. I'm not gonna lie, like, because I'm. I'm not a. I'm not a nudist. Okay? I am. I would be very embarrassed. I would be very, very embarrassed. I would be very. I would be very sick to my stomach if my nudes leak because I'm. I do not. Like, I'm not a naked in that way. I'm just not. And that would make me very, very uncomfortable. I would be very sad and very pissed. But after that initial, like, embarrassment wears off, I would just make a joke out of it because I don't know another way to live this life other than joking about myself. Like, you know, I don't know exactly what I would say or do, but I'm gonna have to just lean into it and be funny because you just seen me. But I don't think. I don't think I've ever sent a pic, though. I'm not gonna lie. I don't think I've ever done that. Mecca Squad. Becca's giving full busted lip. That's crazy.

[Mecca]

I don't know.

[Jamila]

I could never send. I don't know.

[Mecca]

Like, I haven't done that in so many years. Like, that was when I was peak. Peak wilding, though. That was peak wild.

[Jamila]

Like, I was thinking. I. Like, I'm sure the boys would like it, but I was always thinking from the perspective of what I would like to See, and I. It never occurred to me that I would want to see busted open lips, so I just. I probably stick to a good booty pic. Good boobies. That was it. You know what a coochie look like. You ain't.

[Mecca]

I'm not.

[Jamila]

I don't know. I just never wanted to send my cooch. It just never gave appealing, like.

[Mecca]

Oh, yeah. Just. It's not really. Okay. Not really. The ones that I took, like, that don't have face, so I could literally be, like, that could be anyone's. My coochie pink, my booty hole brown. That could be anything.

[Jamila]

I have a mole on my coochie, though.

[Mecca]

You think? Have you. You've never got down there with the mirror and just looked and examined and got to know yourself.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't do it every day. I don't remember which lip it's on. I want to say it's on the left lip. And I think. I think I have a mole right on the top, too.

[Mecca]

Interesting. I feel like I have to go examine myself. I haven't done that in some years.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mecca]

Well, this has been a good combo anyways.

[Jamila]

I don't even know how we got all the way there, to be honest with you, but. Welcome.

[Mecca]

Glad we were. That was a journey.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

First. First 25 minutes was straight titties and puss female anatomy. What said we were gonna talk about was not that I went to the rodeo yesterday. It was Black Heritage Night this past week, but I went, what's today? Monday, this past weekend, and I went on Sunday. I didn't go to Black Heritage Night, but Lizzo performed. And honestly, when they announced that she was going to be performing, I was seeing on social media. There was just a mixed reaction from black people in Houston specifically because she was performing on Black Heritage Night. So that was already a thing. I was confident that Lizzo would do, would have a good performance because she's a performer. She can play an instrument, she can dance. She does all the things. But then after the performance, something I was seeing on social media, like, in terms of commentary, was that when she was doing this stuff, like, she. She did total praise. Richard Smallwood.

[Jamila]

Lizzo did during the show.

[Mecca]

Yes, she sang total praise. It sounded really good. I saw a video and a couple other things. She brought out Paul Wall. I can't remember who was the other person she brought up, but legend. The commentary was that her. Her audience didn't.

[Jamila]

The.

[Mecca]

The reactions on the black things for Black Heritage Night was so Delayed from her fan base and her audience and the people who were there. And before we got on camera, me and Jamila were talking about this. And also back when Tyler the creator had, you know, d' Angelo had passed away and his fan base was like, didn't understand why he was so upset about the death of like this amazing icon. And it just makes you think about like, you do have to, you do have to consider when you're curating your fan base, who you really want to be a part of your fan base. Because if you're someone for the long haul, not just like for this moment right now. Because if you're someone who cares about like cultural aspects of your culture, this isn't even just with black people. This could be with like Mexican, Hispanic, Indian, like whatever you are people of color. You need to think about how to reach them while you're also on the come up. Because like, this is the kind of second time I've just seen in the past six, seven months where it's been someone who is trying to give black people an ode and it's not really being caught.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

The way they want it to be. Yeah.

[Jamila]

It's kind of unfortunate, but at the same time it's like a piece of. It is interesting because on one end you definitely can put yourself in a position to be received by a certain audience, but then on the other end, you sometimes, especially when it comes to music, you almost cannot fully anticipate who your audience is going to be because case in point is Kendrick Lamar is as blackity black as you can be. Right. His music is very Afrocentric. It is very centered around the black experience, the black LA experience, all the things. But sometimes when you look into his shows, it's a lot of white people because white people have infiltrated themselves into our culture so much. You know, once you put your art out to the world.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? Whoever picks it up is going to be pick it up. So it's like I, I'm interested how specifically music artists, because I think that that's really the, the people that it's, it's the, the hardest for to fully curate a black audience. But it is possible because we see it with other artists. And I'll give an example since she's already been on my brain all day, Jill Scott, I've been to. I couldn't even tell you how many Jill Scott shows my meat. The, the one that I can use as a perfect example is I watched her. She was on her own specific tour Because I feel like festival is kind of like mixy, right?

[Mecca]

Different. Yeah.

[Jamila]

But for her own show, I went to her own show here in Atlanta at Chastain Park. Kid, you not. The crowd looked like it was 90% black. I think that's because specifically within black music, when you niche it down even more to black soul music, it is just such a black art form. And I feel like that. And she has never, at least from the perspective of. Of me, she has never tried to make herself this mainstream artist to appeal to all of these other things. She has always stayed in her pocket. And I think that that helps with hip hop, though, because hip hop is so mainstream. Because pop is so mainstream, which is what Lizzo does. It's hard to stay in that. That black pocket. And so I can.

[Mecca]

You know who did a good job, though?

[Jamila]

It is who.

[Mecca]

Of having her white fan base, but still being connected to black culture. And I think it's because it's how you have to publicly carry your personal life, which is weird to say, but Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston is a niggas nigga.

[Jamila]

But, you know, when she first came out, black folks used to talk down on her and call her a white bitch. What? Yeah, isn't that crazy?

[Mecca]

Like, no. There's a reason Whitney Houston has a large white fan base. When she came out, she was the pop. Like, I. I know that they just had debated that on Twitter again. They were talking about Whitney's catalog sucks or something. And they brought up how, like, black people initially were not fucking with her, but if you look at her career, like, span for the whole thing, not just the beginning, but beginning, middle, end, you have, like, you can see in there with. Within her personal life. It really helped push her. Like she got with Bobby Brown.

[Jamila]

Yeah, she. Her.

[Mecca]

The mother is her.

[Jamila]

Her personal decisions definitely helped push her to the black side versus, like, leaning on her. Because, I mean, coming out with Clive Davis and he.

[Mecca]

Yeah, you know.

[Jamila]

You know, we could say lots of things about Clive Davis, but he was very masterful at pushing Whitney out. Right. And yeah, her beginning career was very much like she was. Of course, she was always black, but, like, she was loved by white folks.

[Mecca]

Like. And still today, still, if you ask white about. They don't play about her.

[Jamila]

They do not play about her. They really don't. They don't play about our sister Whitney. But I think that over time, Whitney started to develop her own sense of self just being. Because I feel like when you first step into the music industry, you're. You're such a Little. Little grasshopper. Like, I don't know what to do. And I feel like once she got comfortable and she was like, oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna do me. And she was showing up to these black spaces. She was going to the black award show. She was collabing with black artists. She was going and. And showing that she has a sense of community. And I think that that's ultimately what made black people okay. She okay. She was okay. She us. For real. I forgot the. Was from Newark. She's a new. At the end of the day.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Damn. Nippy. We speak.

[Mecca]

Someone said in the chat. Let me see whose name it was. Zay said that if you follow Lizzo on Instagram and on social, she does seem very black.

[Jamila]

And I would agree.

[Mecca]

I have interacted with Lizzo online, and she does give black girl. I think the thing that we're talking about and this correlates to Whitney Houston is, like, when you're first coming out, kind of navigating, if you're dropping, like, pop music that is going to appeal not just to black people, but also largely like, white people. How do you maintain that? And it's like Whitney didn't even get it right at first. So I'm not saying Lizzo is even someone who will always be considered in this light. I think her being on social media the way she is, her doing Black Heritage Night, I personally feel like in the past few years, she's crossed over to black people way more than when she first came out.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

So it's like. It's like a little process. And I think the way that you combat it is I'm thinking of Tyreek Withers, someone who. He's mixed. But the white boys. But. But the white girls love him, and the black girls love him. But he has a few things that he does that makes him be like. Like, first of all, the tidbit that he's an alpha and he, like, has, you know, let us know that. You know what I'm saying? And then also, just when he code switches, when he, like. I think you. You do have to do that. Yeah. If you're gonna go mainstream, you have to do that.

[Jamila]

And honestly. And this is gonna. Follow me. This is gonna sound crazy, but just sometimes, strategy wises. I'm talking straight strategy, not culture. Marketing yourself as a mainstream artist can do wonders for you, especially in music.

[Mecca]

Yes.

[Jamila]

To get you that money. And as a musician, y' all know musicians don't get paid because of streaming these days. So if you get an opportunity to be pushed in a mainstream way, think about taking it, is what I'm saying, because it is. As a black person, you are always black. You don't. And I think some people. People associate using a mainstream strategy as a form of selling out. And. And I don't think that's necessarily true. I think selling out is doing something that's not natural to you. I think selling out is shucking and driving and being a coon. I don't think using mainstream success to build out your platform is necessarily selling out. I think that as black artists in a space of entertainment, it's not just even music. We are still battling all the systems babes, okay? And if there is a way for you to be able to use them white folks to advance yourself, fucking do it, okay? And you can. And then that's how you build leverage. Build leverage to be able to then flip the script on the ass and, and, and. And build out your own stuff and come back to doing what you. What you know and love. And it. It does work. I've seen several people do just that. And so, yeah, don't think that you. You have to stay down there. But the thing is, sometimes you get comfortable. You get comfortable with that mainstream white success, and then you alienate, and then that's where the issue lies. That's where it becomes problematic. Like, oh, so now you want to talk about your people. Now you want to. Got it.

[Mecca]

Think of someone who has done that. And it could be. It doesn't have to be just singing. Could kind of be anyone who has

[Jamila]

turned their back on their people or just used it and then flipped, came back.

[Mecca]

Either. Either or.

[Jamila]

Everyone.

[Mecca]

I think, like, this is so funny because I'm. That's such a good example. Prince was a Prince.

[Jamila]

Absolutely took that deal. I can't remember. It might have been Sony. Prince absolutely took that deal. Absolutely used them as leverage to build out his. His. Not only his fan base, but his. His catalog and his brand. And really, really maxed out. And then when they tried to not give him his things, he said, y', all, don't worry about it. Don't call me Prince. I'm gonna go by this symbol. I'm going to push back, and I'm going to be an artist artist, and I'm going to do all the things that I want to do. And you cannot stop me from doing that because this is my music. He fought so hard for musicians to own their own masters and catalogs and to not give in to Them white folks. But that happened afterwards. And dare I say Prince became even more huge after that because he had used their leverage to be to. To just get out there, right? And then now it's like, once people know you, they trust you because, well, at least I know the nigga got hits, right? And then you just continue to push out hits. And a lot of people don't even realize how much fudgeing music Prince has.

[Mecca]

This nigga, he has a lot of

[Jamila]

music, has so much fudgeing music. And so it's like at that point, at the height of his career, to do something like that was so damning. It was like a lot of people are scared to do stuff like that. But Prince, Princess, Prince is one of those people that man shouldn't be dead

[Mecca]

is still putting stuff out. I actually just watched a whole fentanyl documentary impact on, I think it's Hulu last night, and they had prints in there. I didn't realize he died of a fentanyl overdose. I know.

[Jamila]

I.

[Mecca]

It was just. I did. I didn't know that. I knew he OD'd on something. I didn't know was fentanyl.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Accidental, too.

[Mecca]

Yeah. And he had done the same thing like a week prior on a plane. And they had basically put out that he had just passed out from exhaustion or something like that. I said, can't play with that fit. Yeah. So many people. There's him, Angus Cloud, Mac Miller. Like a lot of folks.

[Jamila]

Yeah, it's really sick. It's. It's sad. And that's it. I think it's. It's super sad with Prince because Prince was known to not do drugs. Didn't even drink. Was the healthiest little skinny ass little. And so, yeah, for that to happen to him because of, like, surgeries and stuff like that, to kind of get into that world is just so sick. And I. And I hate that for him. But to the people out there who are listening, who do drugs, and this is no shaming. I'm all for harm reduction here. Get you some finch testing strips and some narcambu. You can come back from an OD of fentanyl if you act fast.

[Mecca]

I don't even know what you're talking about.

[Jamila]

So fentanyl testing strips. You. If you. If you do cocaine or whatever, the drug of choice is the ones, specifically ones that get stepped on by fent. You can use fentanyl test strips to make sure that it is what you're taking. Because if you are not a. An avid fentanyl User, which. There are some. There are people who specific. Their drug choice is fentanyl. Right. But if you are actively going after cocaine and then you take. And then you have something within all that is very deadly because you're doing a stimulant and something that is a narcotic, boom, your heart's gonna explode. So you use these fentanyl testing strips to make sure what you're doing is pure. Right. It's not. Don't have any. It's not been stepped on or whatever. Narcan is what you would use. If you did ingest fentanyl and you start to od, it will absolutely bring you back to life. It's been proven to save so many lives. And people who are into harm reduction as far as substance abuse and things like that, they are working really diligently to get that out on the streets. Think back to when the heroin crisis was. It's heroin crisis is still up or whatever, but they're providing you with safe needles and things like that so that you don't at least contract, you know, hepatitis or AIDS while doing these things. Harm reduction is the way. No shaming. But I will tell you, if you ain't never did coke, today, not the day to start, baby. It's not.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no, no.

[Jamila]

It's no longer safe to try drugs. We gonna have to wait till we get back into.

[Mecca]

You know what I mean? Yeah. So the documentary I literally watched was talking about how, like, all these people were not trying to do fentanyl. They were all doing something else. That would you say stepped on? That's the. That's the slang. Stepped on.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Or cut.

[Mecca]

I hate that. I kind of like that. I know, cut, but, like, stepped on. It's like, you mix it.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Like, oh, I stepped on that.

[Jamila]

You sound so suburban.

[Mecca]

I stepped on that. Not Jamila, the drug counselor. I know. That's right. Drug counselor. All the things

[Jamila]

she makes me so sad. Like, I don't know, like, oh, yeah, poor babies. And so. And just knowing, like, specifically with. With. With some of our beloved music icons, how many of them passed away from substance abuse, it just makes me really, really sad. Like, I'll be thinking about dmx. Like, DMX was not trying to kill himself, y'. All. He was trying to give him a quick bump. He's been bumping since the 90s. That's what. That's what I'm saying. People been bumping for. For 30 years straight ain't never died off no coke. No.

[Mecca]

I actually know someone who. Someone who Passed away.

[Jamila]

Damn.

[Mecca]

I, I, now that we're talking about it, I think that may have what happened because they found, quote, unquote, cocaine in their system.

[Jamila]

Probably one of my classmates OD'd, and

[Mecca]

the person was a long time, like, probably around DMX age, too. So it's like, to me, it's like, if you've been doing certain drugs since the 90s and you're like a functioning part, or a casual, I should say, because I used to work at Nordstrom. Y' all know, I know the girls casually are coke users. Go in the bathroom, get your little bump, get a little energy for the rest of your shift so you can talk to folks. I just, it's like how you're 30 years in. Why would you all of a sudden make a miscalculation on your limits? Yeah, you know, it's, yeah, the majority

[Jamila]

of time where you see people are ODing like that, especially considering we have like this, this epidemic. It's this problem of opiates. It's. These are accidentals. And the thing is, yeah, narcotics are very, very addictive. It's really, really insane what's going on in the streets, child. It's really, really, really, really sick. But, yeah, these people, like, even with Angus and Mac Miller, these are accidental overdoses. Yeah, these are all like, unless somebody injected themselves with that needle, it's probably an accidental overdose. Now with, with that needle, you know how much you put knee in, baby, they probably wanted to go. But generally speaking, for the most part, them overdoses be so accidental and accidental to the point where, Baby, I didn't even know I was taking that.

[Mecca]

I was just trying.

[Jamila]

I was trying to be bumped up. I wasn't trying to be bumped down. It ain't right. The babies can't even party like they used to. I feel bad for the babies. It makes me so sad because. Damn, you, you was just. Damn, it sucks.

[Mecca]

That's why you damn near gotta bring back the dare. I, I listen, the dare worked on me a little bit.

[Jamila]

Let me tell you something.

[Mecca]

Dare definitely worked on me, but it worked on me.

[Jamila]

The only thing there didn't work on. Listen, when they got to talking about that marijuana, I said, oh, y' all might be lying because this, you, you just lied through your teeth talking about some. Every time you smoke a joint, you lose brain cells. I said, that's a lie. My daddy been smoking weed for 40 years. It's the smartest. I know you lied about that.

[Mecca]

Well, I can, I can see your, I can see your train of thought.

[Jamila]

There I said, oh, no. Okay.

[Mecca]

Oh yeah. Let me tell you something. I, I ain't done coke ever. And I don't judge, but it's just like this is your brain on drugs.

[Jamila]

It's one of those things where like, I missed my beat to try it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like for me to try coke, I should have been trying.

[Mecca]

You can't, you can't sit here and say, I want to try some Coke at motherfucking 30.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

That is crazy, girl.

[Jamila]

And not in the epidemic we in, baby. Cause I, I listen the way my luck goes, I'm gonna be the one that first hit got that big fit in it. I'm gone, baby. I can't even, I popped too many Tylenols and I'm, I'm, I'm toe up. So I already know I'd be gone only time I ever have sex.

[Mecca]

Oh. So that app, you know the app

[Jamila]

is serious and you don't get high.

[Mecca]

That's terrible. So somebody most said somebody gave them a bad molly back in the day and they ain't tried it sense. And see, that's what I'm.

[Jamila]

So they had molly.

[Mecca]

They had a bad molly. Oh, back in the day. Well, I'm glad you still here, Mo. Because you know something?

[Jamila]

A part of me wishes like in my early, early college years I would have tried all the drugs. Just like I have these experience cuz I, you know, my daddy didn't try all them drugs, baby. I'd be asking him about his experience just like, I wouldn't know like what it was like, but I've always just been very scary and I, I, I'm very fearful of dying in general. So I just, I was like, I don't know, like I'm not, I've had the opportunity to try a lot of stuff, but I'm like, no, I'm just really scary. I'm so sorry. Maybe if it was the 80s, baby, where we didn't have all this information and everybody was stupid and smoking on the planes and like, oh, I would

[Mecca]

have been, I'm already knowing. I've asked my parents, I'd have been

[Jamila]

all up in them because.

[Mecca]

And they always be like, well, we didn't really know. Like do we know today? Like, like we knew it was like some news, but not, not what we

[Jamila]

know today, not what we know today about that. I don't want to know.

[Mecca]

I need that cocaine off the tree. Listen, 54, like Tony Morrison just

[Jamila]

I. And I know I would like it that's also why. The reason I kind of don't even really want to with. Because I know I would like it. I know I would. I. I be seeing y' all doing.

[Mecca]

Listen, every time I see Chris Brown do a backflip, I say that I could.

[Jamila]

I can't because that. That would be me.

[Mecca]

That would be me.

[Jamila]

I would. My job would be laxed.

[Mecca]

I would be moving because I know how I am sober.

[Jamila]

I was gonna say I'm grateful that, like, people be thinking I'm under the influence all the time.

[Mecca]

Exactly.

[Jamila]

90 of the time, I'm not. I just be. I'm just like this naturally. Like, I'm really just. I don't know. I'll be all right, baby. I don't need all that extra. Let me just be.

[Mecca]

I will say, you gotta think that some of our best music has been made when people is on that, though. For sure. For sure. Party here, Party there was on the booger sugar.

[Jamila]

And even when you. Let me tell you something, if you want to really get into the good music, they was on that smack, okay? My temptations, half of them was. Was on that needle. My good friend Charles on that knitter. Even Bobby Brown was on that needle here and there, baby. I'm sorry. Drugs give good music. Oh, David Ruffin voice was so beautiful.

[Mecca]

And then if you think about it, during the lean epidemic, that music was specific to lean, but it was not hitting like the other.

[Jamila]

Not too much. I don't know. Lean music was good. It was good, but it was like.

[Mecca]

It was not. But it's different. It was not upbeat. Do you see what I'm saying? Like, if you think of, like, the seven 60s, 70s, 80s, that music was

[Jamila]

like, Gucci mane, prime time. That's Gucci mane.

[Mecca]

But that's still. That's not. That's not like, super duper up. I'm not. It's not super duper upbeat. It's like bow, bow, bow versus the.

[Jamila]

The.

[Mecca]

It's not. It's not the same type of dancing music. Like, somebody always say, it's like, I wouldn't want to live in the 80s because, like, I'm gonna go in here and really date. Like, I'm a dance. I'm gonna cut a rug. Prime time. Gucci mane. Like, yeah, the party's rocking, but we not. We not shimmying or nothing.

[Jamila]

I had me a time on that Gucci.

[Mecca]

You not shimmy into no Gucci mane to no lemonade.

[Jamila]

Me. No.

[Mecca]

So you see yourself, you're doing this.

[Jamila]

You're doing bow Bow, bow, bow, bow. It's a difference. It's a difference.

[Mecca]

It's a difference between a shimmy and a bow. Bow, bow.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I did love Lee music. Lean music was good.

[Mecca]

But Future had his lean era.

[Jamila]

He did. He was like King Lean. He was King Lean dirty.

[Mecca]

He never get no big ass gut off of it, which was amazing.

[Jamila]

It was as big as Gucci's, but it was. It was round, child.

[Mecca]

It was.

[Jamila]

Oh, it was thick.

[Mecca]

I wasn't looking at him like that.

[Jamila]

Nah, it was it. That belly was big. It just wasn't. I don't think nobody got the Gucci belly. Gucci was pregnant.

[Mecca]

And I just know it was hard. Hard as.

[Jamila]

That was not a soft belly. First thing that did when he got to prison is take the biggest of his life. My God, that was the first constipated, that nigga.

[Mecca]

And I know that days and days to, like, release him from all of that.

[Jamila]

They damn near need to get that nigga colonoscopy.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

Shit. That theme music was good, though. Not. That was a good time, that. Listen, I know we wasn't in school or we wasn't in college during the. The business casual side of things, I would. That's the only. Oh, we were so close, though. We were so close to the end of it. Yeah, that 2014, entering into college, I think that.

[Mecca]

That was. That was more like ecstasy music. That was. That was the Molly music.

[Jamila]

You know what I'm saying? But we still had the tail end. We still had the tail end of the early 2000s. And then we. Because we got. We got. We was at a good transitional period that time because we had the early 2000s. Like, everybody was just having a good time. Everything was. And then it was bow, bow, bow. The introduction of trap music. Then we transitioned into a little bit of that EDM stage, and then we got the Lean music as well. All that combined together. Oh, ain't nobody seeing us. For real.

[Mecca]

Always think I was to say, like, I feel like I'm the perfect age because, you know, technically, 96 is the very first year of Gen Z. Depending on who you talk to or what you're reading, it could be the last Millennial. It's the last year of Millennial or the first year of Gen Z. And it's like, I feel like I have a good experience because my freshman year of high school, I'm with all the millennials. And as I go through high school, by the time I'm a senior, everybody is Gen Z. So it's like, you do Have a grip on both generations now, depending. I've seen this. If you're the oldest and you're born in 96, you're more of a. Or no, no. Yeah, you're more of a millennial if you're the oldest in your family. If you're the youngest, though. No, maybe I take it back. If you're the youngest and your older siblings are millennials, then you're like more millennial. Like, but if you're the oldest and your younger siblings are all like, Gen Z, you're more Gen Z. And I think that's pretty accurate because it goes based on who you.

[Jamila]

My sister. Millennial.

[Mecca]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jamila]

Jelani? Gen Z. Yeah, I'm very much. But I do feel like just. I do feel like I lean more millennial because I am more so tethered to old, just in general. But there are some Gen Z that I with, for sure. But I do think I lean more on the millennial side. I'm a. Yes, I'm there with this, honey. I'm there.

[Mecca]

Listen. I remember arguing with the 80s babies on Twitter, the 90s babies and the 80s babies. Like, just generational wars. But it wasn't. It wasn't millennial versus Gen Z. It was 80 babies versus 90s babies. That used to be a thing on Twitter.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

I remember tweeting at this boy, he said, oh, we.

[Jamila]

We crack babies.

[Mecca]

Y' all don't know nothing about that. And I was like, you're proud to be a crack baby. You're so right.

[Jamila]

I don't.

[Mecca]

I don't know anything about that.

[Jamila]

I don't know anything about that.

[Mecca]

It was an American tragedy, the crack epidemic.

[Jamila]

Like, yeah.

[Mecca]

You know, but anyway, I love my. My birth year because I feel like I got exposed to all the things. Because, yes, I remember listening to the

[Jamila]

dial up, dial up when my mom

[Mecca]

had that fat ass computer in her house. Like, but then also, we literally watched it change. And it changed as we were going through our childhood.

[Jamila]

It's not like, so cool to me. Like, yeah, like, really got to experience all the phases from analog to digital.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And I will say I. I know a lot of people hate, like, nostalgia farming. Like, oh, my gosh, let it go. No. I am addicted to nostalgia. My name is Jimmy lavelle, and I'm addicted to nostalgia. I don't care. I am. I enjoy nostalgia. Not in the sense of, I think that we can't create new shit. I am all for creating new shit, but for me, as far as just like, Reliving things. Like, I really enjoy documentaries about old. I love music from the old times. I love listening to people tell stories about the time when I love nostalgia. I love thinking, just thinking about it. Like, oh, remember the days something.

[Mecca]

I always don't care I'm addicted. Always laugh about is when you listen to. You're a jerk. Legacy goes like the new ipod just touch her and turn her on. And it's like. Because the ipod touch. Touch screen phones were new. That wasn't a thing.

[Jamila]

Like, that was some new. This is time capsules, guys.

[Mecca]

This is. This is literally that song in itself. Like, you're a jerk. It's encapsulating the time in which it dropped that.

[Jamila]

And that's why I like music. And I love when people. I love when people put time timely things in music so that when we go back, it's like that the way that wouldn't even like think about Bugaboo, right? Which came out in the 90s. I'm gonna put your number on the call block. Y' all don't even know what the that is.

[Mecca]

Have AOL make your email stop.

[Jamila]

Like, what?

[Mecca]

Who uses AOL anymore? What? You know, Darrington still has a Yahoo email and he gave it to someone.

[Jamila]

I do too. I use it for all. I have my Yahoo email for all of my shopping coupons and things when I don't want to. Like, so my Yahoo emails full of shopping coupons and things so that it doesn't fill up my regular email. Like, yes. I also. I still have. If I wanted to, I could log into my LOL email as well. Like, but it's just like, there's nothing in there. But

[Mecca]

don't they mention a pager? They mentioned a pager too.

[Jamila]

I was gonna say like in. In those 90s and early 2000 something. They're talking about pagers and like that and the beepers and it's just like, have you watch there yet?

[Mecca]

Now they don't give a. Remember, are we there yet? And I think the car is. But I remember when my auntie got the car that had the TV in it and it was like the big Tahoes. Then you could bring the TV down.

[Jamila]

Oh, I love being in her car. Oh, I said, let me get in that car.

[Mecca]

They got DVD. Yeah.

[Jamila]

And then we had DVDs drop and in the back console we had like, was the actual DVD thing. And we had like a stack of DVDs in it. And it was just like. Because we. We would always travel from Texas to Georgia. From Georgia To Texas or whatever.

[Mecca]

So it makes sense.

[Jamila]

So would. Or to Alabama. We drove a lot as kids. We was always traveling. So we. Baby. We kept them DVDs on lock and we used to stay with a couple of movies.

[Mecca]

The children don't remember the commercials to say available on VHS and DVD. Watching the change from it was just VHS. And then they came out with DVDs and then they thought they were going to hit with Blu Ray.

[Jamila]

But now it. And then you could play Blu Ray on your. On your like PlayStation, whatever. So that was like a game. I just remember all the game changing. All the things like this is so nice. Like wow. Now available on Redbox.

[Mecca]

Remember when Netflix was the box and it wasn't even the thing. You don't even remember when Hulu was free and Hulu was. I have to.

[Jamila]

I have to talk about this, man.

[Mecca]

Hulu was made by abc. So you. Because it had cables and listen. Not everyone had TiVo, which TiVo was the thing that made it so you could record the shows. Then the cable company started, including the DVR and Demand and all that. But it wasn't always like that. So what ABC did. If you missed the show when it

[Jamila]

dropped on the day because you used to have to watch it on the

[Mecca]

day that it dropped, you could go on Hulu and watch it for extended time. I used to watch Pushing Daisies. Niggas don't even know about Pushing Daisies because it came on after my bedtime and I love that show. I used to watch Pushing Daisies and Ugly Betty. When I missed the episode.

[Jamila]

I did love Ugly Betty. Ugly Buddy was a time that was a good show. People don't really was. The young kids don't even realize that if you miss an episode back in the day, you would have to wait for it to replay or to be a rerun. They used to have to play show. Especially like, really. Like the shows that were really, really popular. They would have to run it back two hours later because they knew that people would want to watch it. That's how like, y' all don't understand. Y' all don't understand.

[Mecca]

You don't understand how fortunate you are.

[Jamila]

Programming was important and. And I. I really think that there are some shows that are trying to bring that back a little bit. Like for example, the pit drops weekly. The even with like Love is Blind, they. We don't get the whole thing. Like things like that. I love Joy.

[Mecca]

The JFK joint drops weekly.

[Jamila]

I enjoy dropping nuggets here and there because it brings us back to like community watching. And I think that that's really important. Like even, even the, the award ceremonies, I'm glad that those still air live. You can, Everybody's watching it right then and there. We're all live tweeting. We're all talking about it right then and there. Like that is important to me. I think that while it's important for us to learn, grow and advance as a society, I also think it's important to maintain certain like structures as well because that is what keeps us grounded with certain things. We don't have to completely disconnect from all sense of reality when it comes to being community based. Like, there are some things that is okay to keep this BET Awards coming on on a Sunday at 7 or 8, 7 Central Sharp. That, that is important. That is important for us to, to maintain that sense of normalcy. Like we can do it. It is. Okay, guys. We don't have to.

[Mecca]

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[Mecca]

Joined the millionaire millions of members and lose weight with the number one doctor recommended weight loss program lose more at weight watchers.com at six months participants in a clinical trial of Weight Watchers program lost an average of £12. But I think that the, the creators are hearing us because remember, yeah, there was a point in time where they were just mass dropping shows. And it also didn't really work for them either because it's like you mass drop a show, everyone binges it and they only talk about it for the week that they binge.

[Jamila]

Now we don't care anymore.

[Mecca]

And now we don't care anymore. Versus you draw it out. You drop weekly episodes. Like this whole jfk. I don't know if you're watching the JFK love story.

[Jamila]

I'm not like it was good.

[Mecca]

It is very good. You know Ryan Murphy, much like Tyler, you know Ryan Murphy's black Tyler Perry, white Tyler Perry, he has his hits and his misses. But when he like works hard and he gets his hits, they're hits. Same thing with Tyler. This is a hit. Like, this is really good. This is bringing back conversation. We're waiting each week to see it drop so we can see the outfits and what Carolyn or TV or JFK is wearing. People care about the actors and it's for people to care about so many aspects of the show, like watching the detail of the costuming, caring about the lives of the actors, caring about the storyline. You have to build up that suspense over like 10 to whatever, 15 weeks. You're not going to get that if you just drop it all at once. You're not. Yep, yep.

[Jamila]

Like, stretch that out.

[Mecca]

Stretch it out. I love a weekly conversation about a show.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I really do.

[Mecca]

Because even taking it back to the point where was dropping in all at once, Issa kept insecure on a weekly basis. And I remember when I was at Hampton, that was something. Insecure in Power was something we used to gather and watch. Like, oh, we have to be home on Sunday to watch Power or whatever

[Jamila]

and American Horror Story.

[Mecca]

Oh, it ain't been as good the last few years.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

But you know, I love horror.

[Jamila]

When it, when it dropped when we was in college, that was when it was at its peak. I remember gathering around and I loved and I. A part of me went to Hampton also, because I. This is gonna sound crazy, but this is just how my brain works, guys. I don't care. Of course I went to Hampton for the blackness. Of course. Cool, right? But a part of me also went to Hampton because it was so very well preserved from the 80s. Like, it was still so old.

[Mecca]

We were still sitting in the same desk that Giselle Bryant sat in.

[Jamila]

Just so you know, to me, I. Like I told you, I'm addicted to nostalgia. I. I wanted to really have an authentic old school HBCU experience. I wanted to enjoy what it was like being on an HBCU campus in the 80s and 90s, because that was the peak of HBCU times, I'm telling you. And being able to experience that, even if it was for that first year, was so amazing. And it felt. It feels so unreal because, like, I don't even have much evidence of my freshman year because that's how much I was there and present thinking about how I did not have a TV in my room.

[Mecca]

None of us did allow to. We.

[Jamila]

The way we all would congregate at the TV that was in our communal space to all watch a show. And we were just. We were just girls. We were just. Oh, we were just girls. The way people would come into my room and I would braid their hair because I was the braiding ass bitch in. In the. In the dorm. The way we would just all come together to do something because only one person had the thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, everybody didn't have refrigerator. It would be one In. In the hall who had refrigerator because they had a medical excuse. Yeah.

[Mecca]

You were supposed to have it in there.

[Jamila]

Elantra lie. Lying. And. And so we would be like, can I use like. I feel like college should be like. I get it. That we should. We could. We have to update certain things. I get that. But I think that putting these children in these type of environments because we were children, we first went there in these type of environments absolutely forced us to understand how to live in a community setting. And I don't think I. I can. It can ever be undone for me. And I think that that's important versus throwing kids into these schools where they're immediately given an apartment where you have your own own room, your own kitchen. Yeah. Oh, just privileged. I don't like. I don't like that you need to go through the trenches. You do need to experience what it's like to have to depend on your other people.

[Mecca]

Yeah. The gossip that used to travel through those halls. My God, I can just remember going around and standing in doorways just so I could get like. And a. Sitting on her bed and she yelling to you.

[Jamila]

And I'm talking what happened? Business.

[Mecca]

Because you don't want to invade their space. You don't want to be in the room if you let you invite it. But you just stand there in the doorway and listen and be like, okay. And then you're gonna hit about your business. Go the next room.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's important. That is important for the kiddos. Choose a college that will give you a fake experience. Because I also hate when people. Now I'm going on a tangent. I don't give a.

[Mecca]

Wait. No, you can go on a tangent. Can I go to the bathroom? I know, I just have to pee. Just give me two minutes.

[Jamila]

My tangent is, you know how like people say they don't want to go to HBCUs because they feel like it's not the real world. Who the wants to be in the real world when you don't have to be. College is never going to be the real world. Even if you went to, I don't know, UCLA in the middle of the city or NYU or. Or whatever ass white college. And I'm not trying to on those colleges. They're. They're great schools, all the things. But like what the is a real world? You're going to college full of teenagers. You're still in school. It's school. You're just ext. It's extended school. Why would you have to force yourself to be in this idea of like a real world. Why would you, why are you trying to force yourself to, to, to not experience this? And I hate when they be like, I'm not trying to be around all them. Cuz that's. First of all, you lose me every time when you say like that. Every time. Anytime you get to talk about, I don't want to be around a lot of. Yeah, I'm not going for that. So I, I hate when people go into. To that space. What I was saying was I hate when people say the reason that they didn't want to go to HBCUs is because it doesn't reflect the real world. Like why, why do you want to be in the real world so bad?

[Mecca]

That was quick. Yes, Trey. I really just, just. You know what? It's because I've been drinking this, Stanley, and I just need to.

[Jamila]

I'm definitely gonna have to pee when we're done because I did just drink coffee, but I just couldn't hold it.

[Mecca]

It was so much.

[Jamila]

But yeah, I don't, I don't. I hate that argument. I think that you should want to live into your, in your fantasy land because why am I trying to, why am I trying to rush being an adult?

[Mecca]

There's no rush. You have the rest of your life.

[Jamila]

There's no rest. You're gonna be an adult for the rest of your life. And then of course, like, technically speaking, you're an adult when you're in college, but it's fake adulthood. You can still kind of get in trouble and not really get in trouble for real.

[Mecca]

You know, I saw a video from our HBCU sister, Olendria. What she said, they asked her about her age, why she wanted to go to hbcu. And she said, I have the rest of my life to be a minority. And for a brief moment in time, I wanted to experience what it was like to be the majority and be that. And I just thought that was such a good answer. I said, this bitch is here for the long haul. Because that one thing that media training

[Jamila]

is doing for my sister and this is why she's the Supreme.

[Mecca]

This is why.

[Jamila]

Yeah, I relate to that so heavily. Like especially coming from a fucking high school that was majority white and even the niggas that was there, a lot of the black folks that was there wasn't even on nigga time. Like, nah, I wanted to be around my people, bro. I wanted to be surrounded by black folks. And it was an amazing experience. And I think that everybody should steer their children in the direction of HBCUs. You know, there's a HBCU out there that is no longer an hbcu. It's actually majority white.

[Mecca]

What HBCU is that?

[Jamila]

I can't remember the name of it, but we are actively losing out. I had. I need to look it up. But we are actively shout out to

[Mecca]

Morris Brown for coming back.

[Jamila]

Yes. Like, that is important to me. Like, we as black people need to do everything in our power to preserve our black culture, our black history, our black artifacts, all the things. And I. One thing I will never allow is disrespect of HBCUs. We can critique our HBCUs, but we are not about to sit up here and pretend like they are not doing really good. Amazing work. We are not about to sit up here and pretend like they are lesser than as a white institution. We are not about to sit here and pretend like the education don't matter that comes from hbcu. You ain't gonna do that.

[Mecca]

Baby, Baby. Someone said, I think it's Bluefield.

[Jamila]

Yep. Bluefield state in West Virginia is the most prominent example of a historically black college university with a white majority with reports indicating that a student body is over 80 to 90 white. This. Wow. This has. Listen to me. We cannot let that happen again. I don't want to lose out on any. I don't want no other Morris Brown situation. I don't want any other HBCU to lose its credit or lose its funding or lose anything. All these HBCUs deserve to be funded. And can I say this? Not just Howard and Spellhouse.

[Mecca]

Talk to him.

[Jamila]

I love Howard and Spellhouse down. Those are not the only HBCUs that exists. Those are not the only HBCUs that deserve the funding, that deserve the. The celebrities to come in and be guest professors. Okay? There are so many HBCUs. HBCUs out there that deserve all of the attention because if we don't keep pouring into them, we're going to lose out on them. Morris Brown just got their accreditation back and they got some enrollment. Pour into Morris Brown. Howard and spell house is good, y'. All. Based off their alumni alone, they're good.

[Mecca]

Super good.

[Jamila]

They're good.

[Mecca]

No. No tea, no shade. Even Hampton's good. Based on the alumni. Hampton's good.

[Jamila]

Like, y' all need to pour into Savann.

[Mecca]

You know? You know. You know,

[Jamila]

I'm. I'm so. I'm so passionate about this. Like, listen, we had like. Like old Andrea said, you got your. The rest of your life to be a. Get them babies into H. And I

[Mecca]

want to give another shout out to Morris Brown. I feel like everybody, especially old school alumni, I. In the past, the lady who told Clifton she was mad. Morris Brown alum.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

Tell me how I know. Because when we were talking to her, there was another guy who said he would never let his child go to Spelman because it was found by white women. That's like, I can't even get into that right now. Anyway, the Spelman girls came up to us. They knew that, you know, we met at Hampton, and so we were talking about HBCUs and blase, blase. And I said, and, you know, most of these. These HBCUs was founded by white people. Anyway, Auntie popped. I didn't even know she was standing right there. She popped out of nowhere and said, not Morris Brown. Not my alma mater. And I said, I know that's right. And y' all came back and shout out to. Y' all came back. But she's not the first person. Like, even we was at one music fest, the other family there, who. Who's older, for sure, they're always older, but they're so prideful. Like, yeah, this dad literally came up to me and was like. Like, my daughter wanted to come here and see you. And I know you see my sweatshirt. I'm missing my homecoming for this. Oh, my God, sir. Where is she at? I would take a picture with her right now because I know what it is to be, you know, HBCU homecoming season and you missing your. Your homecoming for some, especially a Morris Brown situation where y' all left, y' all came back. And I feel like all the alumni would definitely be on 10, you know, DC. DC's, DC fly. DC Young McFly. DC Young Fly.

[Jamila]

Sorry.

[Mecca]

His mom went to Boris Brown, and it's a Delta. I know that randomly because he posted it when they came back.

[Jamila]

Listen.

[Mecca]

But their first homecoming back, she went. Yeah.

[Jamila]

Yeah, man. I. I think that that's. That's so dope that they were able to, like, maintain until they got their back, right? Because it is so hard, like, as an institution, they. They held on, baby. They held on. And I hope that they continue to flourish. Like, I really do. I really do hope they continue to flourish, man.

[Mecca]

Because if I was a young, I would. I would want to go to Morris Brown because I'm that type of person, because I like that type of, you know, like, background. Part of the reason I wanted to go to Hampton was because it wasn't the most popular. It wasn't Howard. Everybody know Howard.

[Jamila]

But only reason. Only reason I never wanted to go to Morris Brown is because I wanted to go to Atlanta. A and T. That doesn't exist. Drumline is one of my favorite movies.

[Mecca]

And it is.

[Jamila]

It is the reason I wanted that in a different world is the reason I wanted to go to HBCUs.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

And when he said that's because Morris Robin. Spanking that ass. Spanking that ass.

[Mecca]

Listen, when I thought. When I found out that Hillman was mostly based on Hampton, I said, oh, and the thing that really sold me, that sold me on it was like. But you will only know that if you went to a hbcu. It's not like the. It's not general pop knowledge. And so that's why I'm saying, like, if I was graduating high school right now, I'd want to go to Morris Brown because.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

That. There's so much information there. I'm like, no, the Lord, I'm such a lore ass.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

I went to Hampton because of the lore.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And the thing is, with going to Morris Brown, which I, again, I really hope more. The young babies choose Morris Brown because that's how you build it back up, right? But it's like, even if you feel like I don't want to kind of go there right now, because it's not a lot of people that still go there, baby, you are going to be dropped off in the AUC still. You're still going to be right there at the Atlanta. What is it? The Atlanta University Center. Spell House.

[Mecca]

Spell House.

[Jamila]

Spellman, Morehouse and Clark. Atlanta is right in the same vicinity. So it's like, even if you feel like you're missing out on, like, the. The student body aspect, because it's still. It's still up and coming. I ain't gonna lie. They ain't just, you know, full yet. It's gonna get there. The more. More of y' all who choose it, and y' all are still gonna be right there in the midst of a whole bunch of other students. So it's not gonna. I don't think it's gonna feel like you're missing out. Your class might be. Be small, but your party's gonna be just as big. You ain't gonna miss out this class.

[Mecca]

Being small is only going to benefit you as a student. Hello.

[Jamila]

Hello. And Georgia down the street, if you know, you know, Georgia State is. It's not a. It's not a hbcu. Please don't say that. I love my Georgia State alum. I Know y' all like to try to squeeze in the hbc. It is not hbcu, but it's also not a pwi. Georgia State is predominantly minority. Really, the. The largest minority group is black. So you. If you want to. You. You got you good, you covered. If you go to. Baby, you got. You got a couple places you can go. Okay, baby, choose more Brown.

[Mecca]

Call us, okay?

[Jamila]

Put. Put us. We trying to help. We trying to help y'.

[Mecca]

All.

[Jamila]

Like, I got. I got a couple ideas for you, okay? Oh, I got some ideas. Morris Brown. Who's the president of Morris Brown, y' all give him my email. I got some really good ideas. We gonna make that student. The student income, not student income. The. The. The student attendance go up. Yeah, we're gonna get that registration up. Hit my line, y'. All. Hit my line. Get in contact. If y' all know them, send them my way, please. All right, well, I guess we can spin it.

[Mecca]

Let's spin it. This is our segment. Spin it. This is where Jamila and I give you some advice, but mostly a PR spin on y'.

[Jamila]

All.

[Mecca]

Nasty, low down gutter snipe, disgusting situations. Now, keep in mind that Jamil and I are not PR professionals. We just studied communications in undergrad and we really love how PR is not that ethical. If you have any shade that you've been dealing and wheeling in your life, you can email at unhinged anymore, podmail.com. do not forget to include your gender, your race, your sexual orientation, your age. And if you are a man, you do need to include your height, also your political affiliations. Jameela, what do we have this week?

[Jamila]

Week. Trying to think if we've done this.

[Mecca]

I just saw one come into the email this week that I like the title, but I didn't open it.

[Jamila]

I'm gonna skip that one because I can't. I can't remember if we've done it or not, but I'm gonna go. Boom. All right, y' all ready? Oh, this kind of long. Okay, y' all know y' all like the damn talk. All right, Long Winded. It is entitled I'm Too old for this. Dear Mecca and Jamila, let me start off by saying I love the podcast and everything you guys do on social media. I've been following y' all for a few months now, and every day I look forward to what you guys have to talk about. I think I'm a year older than both of you, and if we all went to the same college, I feel like we'd have been Great friends, period. Hey, friends, period. I love how you guys spin your listeners messages. Messiness. So I thought I would be a good. It would be good to share my experience. I need some advice.

[Mecca]

All right.

[Jamila]

Boom. I've been seeing this guy I went to college with since May of last year. Although he graduated a couple years before I did. We ended up finding each other on hinge without disclosing too much identifying information. I'm a therapist, so it's a habit. Call me Slim. And let's call him Serpent. What? Another Serpent. Okay, mind you, y' all are calling them Serpent for the same reason about the green eyes, these green eyed devils.

[Mecca]

Oh, yikes.

[Jamila]

Serpent is overall a great guy. He has a stable career in Finance Pledge Alpha and comes from a strong to. Did we read this already?

[Mecca]

We read this one, mind you.

[Jamila]

It said it wasn't opened. I swear to God. It was literally still black.

[Mecca]

Maybe they double sent it.

[Jamila]

Okay, they probably double sent it. Sorry, I was gonna say another Serpent. Let me go to another one. My bad. Let's see.

[Mecca]

We gotta go in and archive the emails.

[Jamila]

I know, right?

[Mecca]

And try and.

[Jamila]

Girl, you sent this three times. Girl, get out my damn I'm. Girl.

[Mecca]

She wanted to make sure it was gonna be seen.

[Jamila]

She literally three times. I was like, no, I swear to God, I didn't open it.

[Mecca]

Okay, girl, that's actually hella funny.

[Jamila]

She said, please, I need answers today. Answers right now. All right, here we go. This one is called I Want him Bad, but I'm taking. Oh, scandalous.

[Mecca]

She's taken.

[Jamila]

Hi, Mecca. Hi, Jamila. I love the podcast. I've tuned in every week, every week since the first drop. Stay dedicated. I need y' all to do this bad. I'm a 26 year old. Well, 27 on the 31st. Shout out to my Aries sister. I've been in a relationship with my baby daddy for four years now. Why do I feel like. We read this one too?

[Mecca]

We read this one too.

[Jamila]

Are y' all sending multiples?

[Mecca]

Wait, Jamila, just go to the first one. Just go the one that's at the top.

[Jamila]

I just didn't want to skip anybody because I was trying to go in order.

[Mecca]

Order. But if you do that, then it's going to make it. So you're reading old one.

[Jamila]

Well, I guess they're never going to

[Mecca]

get their most suggested that we read that we do a Google form.

[Jamila]

Oh, that might work.

[Mecca]

That might.

[Jamila]

We gotta. We do have to get organized with these spinning guys because I been reading them in the most ridiculous way Possible. That is so not. Anyways, I'm just gonna read this one. Okay. Boom. This one says how to not be a Jada Pinkett.

[Mecca]

Okay, that's the one I saw. Yes, I said I like the title.

[Jamila]

Wow. Okay, let's get into it. Hi Mecca and Jamila. I've watched damn near every episode of this podcast and I've always had a good time listening to the spinach. For context, I'm a 22 year old black bisexual Pisces girl from Brooklyn, New York. Oh girl, you got all the things right. I'll be graduating with my BS in Biology on a pre med track this May, and I'll be pursuing a master's in another state. Okay, this may be long, so let's get into the map mess. This year I started college 18. I was in a almost two year relationship. My boyfriend at the time, who had who I met in high school, let's call him E. Was going upstate to school and I immediately started plotting on my next move.

[Mecca]

Exactly.

[Jamila]

Growing up, I had a crush. My mom's best friend's kid. Let's call him D. By October, D and I were steadily oh, oh, you 18. Talking like this. Badass girl. You bad. It was great. Something about it almost felt. Anyway, we were going great except for one thing. I could never count on him to show up when he said he would. The day after my 19th birthday, he told me, I have a gift for you. The gift was the same dick I've been receiving for the last couple months. Except this time I had to take a plan B. Afterwards, I got my screening. I'm a mindful cheater. And it was clear the next week E came home for break and we we too needed a plan B. Young Ho. Young Ho. Young Ho. Cook everything all high. Young Ho. I'm sure y' all know where this is going, but by the end of the month, I had a positive pregnancy test. I did not know where this was going. I quickly went to the clinic and range to send it back. I went with the pill route as I didn't want to rely on D to pick me up and E was back upstate. I asked D to at least hang out with me the day of, but as anticipated, he never showed. So I blocked him before I even took the pill. I called E as well right after. Before taking the pills. He was in the calf garage giggling and skiggling with his homeboys. So I told him I'll talk to him later. He never contacted me until I reached out the next morning. While I'm Going through the pain alone, something really evil and grimy conjured up in me. I continued to cheat. All the partners that I was cheating with were aware that I was cheating. One of them called me Jada Pinkett to his friends and I made sure to live up to that. Towards the end of the year, I broke up with E finally and started talking to D's homeboy place. The homeboy was a bum and I was able to isolate D from the majority of his friends and homegirls. He claimed to be miserable. I then ended up rekindling with D. Needless to say, not showing. Needless to say, the not showing up continued. I've been officially, officially done with that and I am considering pursuing someone else who I went to high school with. M. M is non binary fine and if all goes well would be my first WLW relationship period. They also are very small and is interested in biome engineering. Here's where I need to spin it. M knows a lot of messy things I used to do in my past relationships and situationships. I'm sure there is a huge deal of hesitation on their end, but M is pretty and just as mess. Oh petty and just as messy as I am. And I'm scared they might be on defense from the jump. How can I negotiably show noticeably Child? My bad. How can I noticeably.

[Mecca]

It's a new word. I'm gonna remember that one. Negotiably. I'm sorry,

[Jamila]

I just be making up whatever I see.

[Mecca]

It's been so much.

[Jamila]

This baby is running.

[Mecca]

She is going crazy right now.

[Jamila]

Can I noticeably show that I am all in without mess and extracurricular? E was a Pisces, D was a Libra, M is an Aries. Thank you for reading this and I'm looking forward to your ideas.

[Mecca]

H, why mo talking about she need

[Jamila]

to chill out for us? Yo, baby girl, baby girl, baby girl.

[Mecca]

Hey listen sister. As someone who took full advantage of my young ho phase, I don't even think I young hold this hard and I young hold hard. I young hold hard. You don't give me a run for my damn money.

[Jamila]

Young Ho. Young Ho. You are living. You're living a life. You're living a fast life and I'm not mad at you for it at all. This is when you're supposed to beautiful your fast ass. Now for your your spinning. Well, let me back up backup.

[Mecca]

When she really hones in on her skill like, like her at 25, 26, you're gonna be.

[Jamila]

You're gonna be a problem I love that for you because. Because you're already a problem like you finna have and on your life have you. Oh, I know you a badass too. Oh, you bad. First of all, let me. Let me pause and rewind a little bit. What is up with you in these high school sweethearts? Let that the go.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

I don't know what it is that pisses me off about people reaching back to people they met in high school. I don't know, irritate. Maybe it's because all the people that was at my high school was on and like, not ain't like that. So I don't know. But I'll be judging y' all another shade. But yeah, move on now with your new hoe who's also a. A young hoe. Cause you said they on too.

[Mecca]

No, I'm buying it.

[Jamila]

Sound like, like y' all finna be on together. So here's what I tell you. Enjoy your non binary young ho. You don't have to be exclusive though. You don't need to be in. In a relationship. You know what I mean? Because it doesn't seem like you ready for a relationship, baby, because you was. You bad.

[Mecca]

You bad question, Jamila, because I didn't catch it. And Jay in the chat said, why are you telling all your business? Did she tell the new non binary her business or did she just know or. I'm sorry, did they just know?

[Jamila]

It doesn't explicitly explain. What I'm guessing is they were probably already friends and non binary hoe probably just knew her business. And so now that they started to kind of get into a flirty situation, it's like, well, damn, I didn't already told you my tea. And here's where. Listen, never tell the person you're with all your tea until it's really locked down.

[Mecca]

And even then, and I'm gonna tell you even then, even then, why would you be telling Yo Yo? Because everyone is gender neutral. Why would you tell your new about all your old.

[Jamila]

That don't make no damn sense. Why am I talking to my.

[Mecca]

From four years ago?

[Jamila]

The most I do is like, I will tell a story, especially if it's like a funny story or like a crazy story. Like I, I enjoy exchanging like old hoe stories or whatever with my little boo boobs, but I don't go too in depth with certain things because you know what I'm saying, Like you. You showing your hand and they start to pick up on patterns and they. It's. It's almost like teaching a how to you up and so I feel like I most I do is like, yeah, this one and I I tell them them story so that they know I'm not on that. Tell them a story of where you was. Really you came out on top. Don' story where you.

[Mecca]

You never tell a. You got cheated on the tell a stories.

[Jamila]

You give them your ig highlight reel. Oh yeah.

[Mecca]

And I get treated the best.

[Jamila]

Okay. Yeah. Once I'm off a. I'll be off a like, you know what I'm saying? Like soft launch that you you really serious. Even if you know you not. You know what I mean?

[Mecca]

Let them think that you are.

[Jamila]

Let them think that you are okay.

[Mecca]

At least.

[Jamila]

But yeah, as far as what you do with that, I just honestly think that you. I don't think that you're ready for a serious relationship. And that's not a problem. Like, you're so young. Like you're still 19. Yeah, you're 19.

[Mecca]

Girl, if you already pissing me off trying to lock down you know what? Non binary young hoe.

[Jamila]

Exactly. You a non binary young hoe around, have a good time, go on dates, do all the things and just maintain a, you know, amenity.

[Mecca]

And if y' all petty on each other, you see what the hell going on on the LGBT Tick tock right now, baby.

[Jamila]

And I'll tell you this. I know anything about lesbianism. It's gonna get messy between.

[Mecca]

It's gonna get you. You talking about you don't wanna. You don't you wanna what is negotiably be not messy. This is gonna get messy regardless, baby. This is gonna get messy.

[Jamila]

And your non binary lesbian is about to. You already said that they're petty. Guess what? You're about to experience some. So y' all didn't bother what in three weeks. Send me a followup. Cuz I already know.

[Mecca]

Cuz I already know.

[Jamila]

Y' all f act a fool in these next three weeks. Send me a follow. Okay? Oh, you f. To act a fool. You going to act a damn.

[Mecca]

And I need to know what what they did and what you did. Uhhuh.

[Jamila]

So hit me back in about three to four weeks. That's. That should be enough time to get y' all to act a fool.

[Mecca]

And guess what happened? They going to be funk and then be best friends for the next 10 years.

[Jamila]

I know like, I know, I know like I damn, I need more young ho stories. I'm not gonna lie. That was. That was fun. That was thrilling. I felt like I transported back in time. You know what I will say, though, like, as much young ho activity as I did as a young hoe, I never cheated on. No. And I really wish that I experienced that.

[Mecca]

I never technically cheated.

[Jamila]

I feel like I'm too old to be cheating now. Like, I might be 30.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

But I'm also not. Like, I don't know the next time I'll be in, like, a serious relationship. I feel like by the time I get into a serious relationship, we're about to get married. I'm not gonna cheat on you, but, like, damn, I wish I would have cheated. I just really want to know what it feels like to cheat. I feel like it's very exhilarating. I feel like it was.

[Mecca]

I wish I would have cheated on my act.

[Jamila]

Me too. I wish I. What you should have did, Keith, baby. I should have went up in a glue.

[Mecca]

I feel like with him, we would go on these quote unquote breaks for the weekend, and I knew he was other girls, and so I would go, like, break.

[Jamila]

I'm sorry.

[Mecca]

What? So technically, I wasn't sorry.

[Jamila]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I hate when. Just throw some. Y' all would go on weekend breaks?

[Mecca]

No, he would go on weekend breaks. And then I caught on to what the hell was happening, and I said, oh, well, I'm not no sucker ass. And I know I'm gonna have my back on Monday.

[Jamila]

Yeah.

[Mecca]

My class.

[Jamila]

So I'm gonna just go ahead and. Let's just.

[Mecca]

So I'm gonna go ahead.

[Jamila]

I'm not really trying to do this for the weekend. Like, we was doing weekend breaks. Like, he was going to weekend jail.

[Mecca]

Literally. He used to be. Literally on Friday, be like, I can't do this no more. We're back together by Sunday after church. It was really unserious. I hate Christian, yo. No, but I'm trying to tell you, like, once I caught on, because what would happen was he would do that, and then I would go watch his story, and he outside the club with

[Jamila]

his friends doing, like.

[Mecca]

And it's like, oh, you outside. So I was like, I want to have me a little pookie at Towson.

[Jamila]

Little West African. What country was he from?

[Mecca]

Because it wasn't. It was like Senegal, I believe, had me a little Uwa, and I used to be outside food. And then I found out he had a girlfriend as well. But he didn't.

[Jamila]

He.

[Mecca]

They weren't going on weekend breaks like me and mine. See, I was technically within the weekend when. When my man would text me back, I'd be like, okay, I'm gonna see you next week. You know, he had a girlfriend the whole time. And my homegirl was doing her nails. That's how I found out. Because he had came into Nordstrom one time and came to my counter and was. And was leaning over the counter trying to be sexy. And my homegirl was like, you know, he got a girlfriend.

[Jamila]

I said, no.

[Mecca]

I had no idea. And I couldn't hold no down in jail either, T. Cause I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be cheating in between them jail visits, bro.

[Jamila]

I was just talking about this on Live yesterday. I don't remember how the conversation got started. And I was like, I definitely could fall in love with a who's in prison just because in prison will promise you the world. And. And that's all I needed to hear, you know what I'm saying? They would tell you. They. Oh, maybe they would talk to you so good. And I really will fall in love. It's the minute that would get released that the veil would be lifted for me. Oh, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I was just playing.

[Mecca]

You're actually gonna come to my house?

[Jamila]

And then it's like reality was sitting like, oh, yeah. Nah,

[Mecca]

nah, nah.

[Jamila]

That. The thought of you. Yeah, No, I was just playing. I never did that.

[Mecca]

Because Sacramento, you know, they love a in jail. The in Sacramento, it's a really big thing. And then I would be at the club every weekend, so. And the who aren't in jail be reporting back to in jail. And I just knew, oh, I see Mecca l race throwing ass.

[Jamila]

They was getting in trouble, cussing you out from the jail collect call. I'll be like, yeah, the. And then. And then.

[Mecca]

Don't let you be. Leave the. Then the homeboys on the story like that. I was like, Sacramento is so messy. And I just didn't want to get in that mix.

[Jamila]

And it's like, it could be me all you want. You're still in prison. Four years left.

[Mecca]

And that's why I got docs to the prison. Because when I said, oh, I'm not with this. He gave my number to the prison. It got it and had them texting me. And I still have the same number.

[Jamila]

You gonna be with it all right.

[Mecca]

Look at my hand.

[Jamila]

Is it shaking? No, it's not.

[Mecca]

That's why I didn't give a. When the barbs docs me.

[Jamila]

I've been doxed to the prison at

[Mecca]

the men calling my phone.

[Jamila]

Child screaming, oh, that shit's crazy. I was saying the same thing. About love is blind too. Like, I definitely, like, I don't know, like, because I love words of affirmation is definitely one of my love languages. Like you, I love to be. And also, you guys know that I do have a little bit of a praise kink. So like, yeah, you can absolutely talk to me enough and I'll fall in love. Yes, you can compliment me into loving you. Yeah, like, and so come out and you're ugly. Then it's immediately up.

[Mecca]

No, because love is not blind.

[Jamila]

Them windows open and it's a booger.

[Mecca]

Oh, if you came looking like Devonte,

[Jamila]

I'd be like, I'd be like, oh yeah, my stomach hurt. I got.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry.

[Jamila]

Like I just am not feeling about to drop.

[Mecca]

But yeah, the green eyes aren't selling it for me.

[Jamila]

If you ever wanted to know how to get into Jamila's heart, compliment me non stop.

[Mecca]

You got to be a little sexy for it to last.

[Jamila]

You have to be a lot of sexy actually. You have to be. Yeah, you have to be. And you have to have sex appeal. If I have sex appeal, I need to see it in your eyes.

[Mecca]

I want to see. You know, I'm not gonna lie. I felt like Vic had sex appeal. I said, that could be getting nasty. I could tell.

[Jamila]

Yes. If he wasn't so overly Christian. I feel like with him taming himself down, I'm like, oh my gosh. Like, but you could tell.

[Mecca]

Excuse me. A Caribbean from Brooklyn.

[Jamila]

Oh, he's slanging. He got it on him.

[Mecca]

He's nasty.

[Jamila]

He got it on him.

[Mecca]

When they were talking about the underwear during the last episode. He said, oh yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, I don't know if I can say that. I said, yeah, Vic, that's what I've been waiting for you to say something like that. Yeah.

[Jamila]

And I was like, I guess he's trying to be modest since he on TV and he's a doctor and stuff. He a professor. He can't do too much.

[Mecca]

Yeah, whatever.

[Jamila]

I know he got it on him though. I know he got it on him though. Nice soothing voice.

[Mecca]

I I and hello even to have her listen.

[Jamila]

Time baby, talk me through it. Damn it.

[Mecca]

I said, that voice is nice.

[Jamila]

He got he and he don't.

[Mecca]

He's not bad looking. He cute.

[Jamila]

Listen, I said, okay, girl, voice is so important to me. I am, I'm such a voice. Girl, a voice is very important to me to sex appeal. Oh, let me tell you something. I, I got a couple orgasm. You know that, that scene, it was Like I got a girl whose is. Got. I got a. I got. I got a couple. I know that voice, Will. Yeah. Now voices just say, well, Gucci for me.

[Mecca]

Me.

[Jamila]

You know what I mean? Like yeah, when they get back in

[Mecca]

that tone right here, listen, the reunion has not dropped yet. I need Love is Blind to bring back having like sexy men. Though. Like I feel like the one because they only be having like one sexy dude per season.

[Jamila]

I don't think I've ever seen a sexy man on Love is Blind. Really? What sexy man did you see on Love is Blind Informed.

[Mecca]

What's the one they got? They got married. They still a couple. Maybe not sexy, maybe like cute. I just feel like there's only ever

[Jamila]

like a black couple.

[Mecca]

Yeah, I feel like there's. It was always like there's always a cute. But it's not like hella, everyone just.

[Jamila]

Dick was big too.

[Mecca]

Hey, you see that 80 year old Mr. Ernie who got that big ass dick?

[Jamila]

Yo, I say, yo, put. Put them knuckles away. My damn.

[Mecca]

And he talking to us about muscle

[Jamila]

care and hold on, I'm about leg to hear. And all I see is just, just knuckle meat. Just, just move knuckle. Squeeze my meat. Like it's just so much dick. You, you still using that at 80?

[Mecca]

I mean, he lifting weights and stuff.

[Jamila]

So he's using that penis.

[Mecca]

He definitely is that penis. Great depression dick. Child, that's that boomer dick. Oh well, no, he 80. That dick be booming.

[Jamila]

It's a bowl.

[Mecca]

Yeah, he's 80.

[Jamila]

Yeah, he looks.

[Mecca]

Oh, he looks very.

[Jamila]

He's born look. And that dick looks strong in them paints, baby.

[Mecca]

That's that World War II dick. I said

[Jamila]

squeeze my meat. That was meat. That was heavy.

[Mecca]

Damn, it's heavy and at all. Slap on the clit a little bit.

[Jamila]

Just Mecca's type a piece of that old meat. Listen, you know when I was crazy, I took back when I seen all that meat in between the. I said, granddad, close them legs.

[Mecca]

I'm scared.

[Jamila]

Like, imagine Jennifer Lewis and her coochie had her moose knuckle on the end too. I said, girl, you got your pants all in between your lips. Sit up, girl. What the are y' all doing? Yo, the elders want us to know Oprah just ate it off the bone. Ms. Gail is fat. I said, gail, put your up, please. Did you not re. Watch this video before you posted it?

[Mecca]

Girl, no, she didn't, because you know that's not what they do.

[Jamila]

They just, they just, they just post. Oh, girl, you know that, that Poo

[Mecca]

girl, That's that lady goes on vacation with Ms. Tina.

[Jamila]

You know, she post and go.

[Mecca]

She don't give a damn. Put that poo up Ms. Tina's gumbo. the, at the rodeo last night, me and LaBelle made a reaction video. How was, Wasn't bad. The thing is, I'm not, I'm not hard on gumbo like some people. I feel like I appreciated it for what it was. Fair gumbo is this shade that was a shot, you know, But I, I, I, I, I will say I didn't think Jamila would liked it, but it's fair gumbo.

[Jamila]

Now, see, why, why you gotta say that? Because now people see. See, I never even taste. Thank you. Don't be.

[Mecca]

This is the thing. Connoisseurs across social media have been heavily critiquing it. It's fair gumbo. I did think it could have been a little thicker. It was like soup more so. And I did. This is what I was telling Archie and Lavelle last night. I said, the thing is, if this had been marketed to me as just like gumbo soup or something, I didn't

[Jamila]

realize Lavelle was in Houston.

[Mecca]

Yeah, that's, that's who he went to the rodeo with last night.

[Jamila]

Hey, friend.

[Mecca]

I would have loved it because it did bring me back. Because, like, we had been drinking and walking around. I was tired, I was hungry. It had sausage, it had crab, it had chicken in it, and it had rice. So I felt like this is what I needed right now. It was light because we kept going to the club afterwards. I didn't bloat. It's very good for that. If you're going and you're like, and you're like someone who, your family makes gumbo, I don't think you'll like it.

[Jamila]

Full disclosure. Yeah, I mean, I think with, with gumbo. Gumbo is such a complex dish with like eighty hundred million ingredients that it's kind of hard to produce on a grand scale unless you've been doing it for years and years and years.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

So I can imagine it being probably dialed down. And I could, I can imagine, like, her home gumbo probably being, you know, better just because it's easier to, you

[Mecca]

know, everybody in black Hollywood who has had her gumbo always praises it. And it tasted like. I know when you, when you make this, this is good. You know what I'm saying? But this is being produced on a mass level, so I would have liked a little, a little bit more seasoning, a little bit more spice. I Like, spicy stuff. It didn't. It wasn't spicy at all.

[Jamila]

Okay. And I mean, I could see them not wanting to over spice it because it's like hella people there. And you know, girl, some people really can't.

[Mecca]

Someone said it tasted like beef broth. I saw a video. It didn't taste like beet broth to me. It definitely tasted like gumbo based soup. Like. Like a gum. Like, if you said, this is a gumbo soup, I'd be like, yeah, Jules, dad served me. So I was. And I was like, I know, I know. I know this family too much because it was like, fine. I said, I. Lavelle and them didn't even know who it was. And I said, do you know who just took our order? I said, that's Jules, Daddy, Mama Tina

[Jamila]

put the family to work.

[Mecca]

Yeah, in this family. I'm too deep in this family. And I kept it quite well. Thank you. He's like. He's like, thank you, sweetheart. I said, salons. Your taste is good. I'm not gonna lie, sister. That man is fine. Man is fine. He's still fine. Fine. Back in that fact by now.

[Jamila]

But yeah.

[Mecca]

So if you need. I would say if you need something, don't go in there with your expectations on 10, because I also feel like that's a thing. And. Oh, well, this is what I was talking to Lavelle about. You know, Lavelle does the food review, so I feel like I had a really good conversation that was very fair and based. He had recently tasted the Costco gumbo, and he was like, I liked it. But the thing is, the Costco gumbo is 13. Mama Tina's gumbo was 20 and then 28 after tax. I'm not rating them necessarily the same because if I'm paying this price point, I would expect it to be a bit better quality, better seasoning, better X, Y and Z. And I was like, that's how I know you a food reviewer for real. Because it's like, these are the things that you think about. And so if I was to put it up, like for the price point, I would expect a little bit more. Again, I understand it's the fair and everything is hyped up.

[Jamila]

So also, if it's a seafood gumbo, you're going to pay more. Seafood. Seafood is expensive.

[Mecca]

Yeah. No, no, no. Understanding all the things I can get that. But yeah, but, yeah, but that's. It's definitely a generic. It's a generic negro vibe. Kind of like, remember the first year when Patti Labelle dropped them pies.

[Jamila]

They're really good.

[Mecca]

But then now if you go to Walmart to get them, they're not as good as they were the first year. That's kind of what it gives. They're not bad, but it's just like regular generic. But if I'm gonna pay $30 for some gumbo, I do need to be a little thicker next time. You know, I'm gonna, I, you know what I'm saying? We just gotta be real about some things.

[Jamila]

Listen, I made gumbo for the first time technically last year.

[Mecca]

Now it was a good size serving.

[Jamila]

Jay.

[Mecca]

I'm sorry, the serving size, I will say it was, they didn't, it was just, I was full. It was, it was big and, and they gave me five shrimps in it. They didn't skip on the seafood. You know, sometimes be trying to be swim seafood.

[Jamila]

I, I will give them that.

[Mecca]

It was a, it was a good sized cup and it was packed out with meat. I actually would have preferred a little bit more rice. The, the meat to rice ratio. Like that's what I'm saying. It was good for what it was. My only critique is I felt like it should have been more thicker and less liquidy, but the meat ratio was real good.

[Jamila]

Yeah. And shoot. This, this is her first time a big batch of gumbo. So I can, I'm sure they're, you know, taking all the things in, but yeah, I made my first pot of gumbo last year. I was very nervous to do it because gumbo is very difficult. But I'm like, I know I'm a very good cooker. Rose the damn. And so I once I knew that I could make a too face, I was like, I can make a gumbo, bro. It's the similar principle. And I was like, I can do it. And I just trusted myself. I made sure I had nothing to do that day. If you know, you know. And baby, when I tell you that gumbo was so good, it was better than my mama's.

[Mecca]

Wow.

[Jamila]

Sorry. It was really good. And I, I, I didn't make it exactly like her, but I was trying to. I was channeling my grandmother who makes such good gumbo. Oh my God, man, I was channeling her. I was thinking about. Cuz I've seen her make it a 100 million bajillion times. But I, the only thing I, I did really, really different than her is I added crawfish. She never added crawfish tails. And her gumbo, that just wasn't her thing. But I love Crawfish so bad that I wanted crawfish tails in mine. And I love the flavor that crawfish gets a little dirtiness to it. But it was.

[Mecca]

Listen good.

[Jamila]

I thought I was gonna have enough time to make it again before my surgery.

[Mecca]

But you need to have all the whole day. I know you ain't got no time

[Jamila]

for that child for me, so.

[Mecca]

So yeah.

[Jamila]

Yeah. I.

[Mecca]

You know what it taught me. I was. Since I was with Lavelle and we did. I think we're in the. For. For his review of it. I'mma be in the video because we were tasting it together. I think I'm gonna do more food reviews because I think after how I was comparing it and then talking to him, I said, I think I can fairly give a critique of food. Like, and think about all the. All the things that go into this. Like Mo just said. And considering how long they have to make in advance, the rule would be cement. And all this type of, like, these are things that matter when critiquing food. But you could still be like, but I would have did this. I need a little bit more spicy, a little bit more salty, a little bit more X, Y and Z. Versus sometimes when people just say it's not. It's not good, it's bad.

[Jamila]

Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah, I'm very culinary school dropout.

[Mecca]

Okay.

[Jamila]

Period. I little strict on food. I do be kind of.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

I don't know. I just. I. In my personal experience, I really be feeling like restaurants be mid most of the time. It just. That's just. But they do honest opinion. Like, restaurants be mid. Like, I. I'm sorry. I'm gonna flex on my cooking every time because I really get down like that. Anybody who's had my cooking knows I really get down like that. So I don't know. I'm a. When it comes to food. Sorry.

[Mecca]

I mean, I will say all the food that I really like is stuff that is small and it tastes like my grandma could cook. Like, you know how. Like, I was just talking to Archie and Lavelle about this last night. Like, I don't. I will eat out someone's car. Like, you know how people selling plates. This is a big thing in Sacramento. Sell plates. Because we don't have a lot of soul food restaurants. There's like a couple, but, like, not. Not like it is in the South. So people will cook and they'll post and be like, who want to get a plate? D d I like cooking that tastes like I could have cooked it. Or someone in my family could have cooked it. Because when you cook at a mass scale, it dumbs the food down. And that's not even just one person that's across restauranteer. So it's like, you know, now it's

[Jamila]

so funny because selling plates is the. Is some black ass. I don't know of any other culture that knows even like you could say selling Mexicans.

[Mecca]

No, they be having the top. Like they'll. They'll get the stand and make the

[Jamila]

tacos in front of you. Yeah, that ain't the same.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no, no, no, no.

[Jamila]

That's a taco. That's a taco stand. Selling plates, like that phrase in and of itself is so black, only black people understand what that means. I don't even have to give you content text. Yeah. My home girl sell plates.

[Mecca]

Sell plates.

[Jamila]

You know exactly what that means. I don't need no other.

[Mecca]

Yeah, no, no, no. They'll sell you the plates at tamales because I was outside the grocery store and they'd be out the car. Tamale, Tamale.

[Jamila]

They do be. They. They do what? They will show up to you with

[Mecca]

a tamale right there.

[Jamila]

Yeah. Selling plates is such a black. A black ass experience. And it's so funny because the, The. The real funny thing about selling plates is also it's. It's not a continuum thing. A lot of black people will sell plates because they in a hard time. You know, I need to. I need. I need some money right now. Me sell a couple plates and then I'm gonna be done. They set up shopping. They set up and break down shop within a quick span of time. You got to catch them while they hot. If you really want to get somebody plate, people don't. Black people don't sell plates, you know, years and years and years, baby. No, they're not going to be doing that. They gonna sell plates for. For two weeks and it'd be done. They got their money up. They good on rent. We cool.

[Mecca]

Exactly.

[Jamila]

They gonna sell a plate, though. Back in my life, did you ever do any, like, lemonade stand or anything like that?

[Mecca]

We did, but not for real. We did with my church, but not.

[Jamila]

Me and Jelani set up shop. We used. We had a lemonade stand before, but we also used to sell cool cups. I think they call it different things in different regions, but we call them cool cups when you freeze Kool Aid.

[Mecca]

Yeah.

[Jamila]

So we call them cool cups. So. And the funny thing is, like, in my neighborhood, ain't nobody ever had no cool cup cup. So when I tell you, we was running them like crack. Nobody in our neighborhood had ever had a cool cup, had even heard of a cool cup. And my parents have a deep freezer. So we made a couple of batches of Kool Aid and we had you. If you know, you know. Okay? Especially my southeast Texas Queens. If you're gonna do a cool cup, you have to do it in a styrofoam cup. It is law. Because then you are able to pop it out and flip it up. Because when you flip it upside down, all the sugar goes to the bottom. It makes it to stir. I'm telling you, there's a science to cool cup making. Okay, so we had a couple of different batches of different flavors. Mix them up. We had a big ass board and we poured them all in. We took them down to my parents deep freezer. Baby, when I tell you we was slinging them in the neighborhood, we was running businesses, okay? We would sell all type of like. That was so funny. I think we were selling them for 50 cents cent. 50 cent a cup. And everybody's coming down to the cul de sac to get them a cool cup and that cul de sac. Yes. Honey, y' all don't know nothing about. Y' all don't know nothing about entrepreneurship.

[Mecca]

Okay, Jamila, we've been talking for an hour and 48 minutes.

[Jamila]

Okay, y', all.

[Mecca]

I just thought because I felt like I. I could, I could keep going and I feel like we need to.

[Jamila]

Yes, we do have another episode to record and I do need to eat, so.

[Mecca]

Well. This has been another episode of Unhinged Immoral Shout out to the screw crew in the chat. We love y'. All.

[Jamila]

Yes.

[Mecca]

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[Jamila]

No, that's it. See you guys next week. Bye.

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