Tyler, Why You Say That?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unhinged & Immoral

Episode: "Tyler, Why You Say That?"

Hosts: Jamila Bell & Mecca Evans
Date: November 1, 2025

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Main Theme & Overview

This episode of Unhinged & Immoral dives into the recent internet controversy involving Tyler, the Creator and his past “troll” persona, unpacking what responsibility artists have for past behavior and how cultural contexts (especially California Blackness and internet troll culture) shaped online trends. Mecca and Jamila also reflect on their personal histories with Tyler’s music, discuss grief over D’Angelo’s death, and examine crucial cultural turning points around race and social media. The show wraps with their “Spin It” advice segment, this week guiding a young lesbian on how to confidently date and make connections in college.

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Key Discussion Points

1. In-Person Podcasting Vibes (00:27-02:31)

• Jamila and Mecca celebrate being together in person, joking about the discomfort of their chairs and comparing remote vs. live recording.
  • "These chairs are not thick-bitch-friendly. I am, my butt's hanging out..." – Mecca (00:41)
• Logistics chat about editing and soon expanding their team.

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2. Remembering D’Angelo & Black Musical Legacy (04:00-07:35)

• The passing of D’Angelo sparks a conversation about legacy and loss in Black music.
  • "D'Angelo is your favorite singer's favorite singer… he was a real musician." – Jamila (05:41)
• Both hosts note the beautiful posthumous recognition artists receive and encourage newer listeners to explore his music.

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3. Tyler, the Creator – Past, Present, and Internet Backlash (07:35-28:32)

a. Tyler’s Statement on D'Angelo & Fan Reactions

• Tyler posts heartfelt condolences over D’Angelo’s death, prompting old and new fans to dissect his “Blackness” and history.
  • "As nutty as he is, I do believe he has always cared about the music, for sure." – Mecca (07:50)
• The hosts note that Tyler’s white fans (acquired in his early, edgy career era) often misunderstand or overstep, causing drama in comment sections.

b. California Blackness and Suburban Black Identity (10:18-17:21)

• Mecca provides context on growing up Black in California, noting cultural tensions in integrated schools and the prevalence of anti-Black jokes/trolling as a defense mechanism.
  • "There was this point where anti-Blackness as a joke was cool; that doesn't make it okay." – Mecca (11:40)
• Jamila expands on this, noting the variety of Black identity performances in suburban schools nationwide.

c. Odd Future & Origin of Internet Troll Culture (13:15–20:34)

• Troll culture, as popularized by Odd Future, was born from a sense of being misunderstood and wanting to “out-weird” the mainstream.
  • “We invented this shit … [Trolling] was being so stupid you're smart.” – Jamila (15:31)
• They stress the difference between explanation and excuse, giving context without condoning everything Tyler (and others) did.

d. Accountability, Growth, and Apology Culture (20:34-28:32)

• Can you grow past your “edgy” trolling years? How and when does a community accept growth—especially if an official apology hasn't been made?
  • “At what point do we as a community allow for growth?” – Jamila poses (20:34)
  • Both agree that time, changed behavior, and a public reckoning (possibly a nuanced documentary) are better than a forced, formulaic “notes app” apology.
  • “If he apologized right now, it would be like a iMessage iOS press release.” – Mecca (27:23)
• They note generational divides: young people who didn’t live through Odd Future’s heyday won’t “get” the era, just as they don’t get their parents’ context.

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4. Reflecting on Cultural Turning Points in Race & Social Media (29:56–39:19)

a. The Trayvon Martin Era and Social Awakening

• The 2012 killing of Trayvon Martin was a cultural wakeup call for many younger Black people who may have previously “cohabitated” easily with white peers.
  • "That was the moment everyone realized, like, you're Black." – Mecca (33:10)
• Subsequent police killings and the spread of social media activism led to a new, hyperaware era of Black consciousness.

b. Cycles of Racial/Kumbaya Tension (37:11–39:19)

• Historical perspective: Everything moves in cycles—periods of relative calm, followed by an incident that brings racial division into sharp focus (e.g., Rodney King, OJ Simpson, 2020, etc.).
  • “There’d be years that go by where it seemed like, obviously, we know that racism exists... Then a thing would happen that would remind you.” – Jamila (37:30)
• Social issues now expand beyond race, with national consciousness shaped by social media, rapid information spread, and multiple intersecting “-isms.”

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5. When (and How) Do We Let Public Figures Move On? (41:23-52:58)

• Jamila and Mecca break down the “rules” (or lack thereof) for letting celebrities grow past old offenses.
  • “A lot of us, when you don’t like someone, you’re never going to get off their neck.” – Mecca (41:51)
• They contrast offenses (e.g. Tyler’s edgy tweets vs. R. Kelly’s crimes) and stress honesty about talent and transgressions (“You don't have to lie and pretend R. Kelly wasn't talented.” – Jamila, 48:56).
• Best apologies are contextual, integrated authentically into interviews, art, or docs—not robotic notes app or selfie videos.

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6. Advice Segment: "Spin It" – College Dating as a Baby Gay (58:19-69:42)

[Spin It: Letter begins at 59:06]

Letter Writer: 19, Black, lesbian, wants advice on intentional dating/creating a “roster” as an under-experienced college student.

Hosts’ Advice:

• Start Slow: Don’t rush into relationships, especially as a “baby gay.” Date casually first. “That first lesbian heartbreak, you will never forget it.” – Jamila (64:11)
• Leverage Campus Life: Join organizations or mixers (especially Black and/or LGBTQ clubs), attend events, and connect through the dorm/college scene.
• App Safety: Be cautious with dating apps—don't date significantly older women (“old ass studs with young femmes is still predatory, I don’t like seeing that.” – Mecca 63:18/67:38)
• Lesbian Bars: Try out safe, inclusive lesbian spaces, but beware of age gaps; find community with peers.
• Be Proactive: Femmes may need to make the first move; stims and studs often attract more attention.
  • “If you’re a femme, you’re going to have to be a little bit more aggressive.” – Jamila, 66:56

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7. Black Expressions, Slang, and Generational Humor (69:42-74:49)

• Hosts share favorite “old school” Black slang (e.g., “cracker,” “broads,” “cat,” “on ice for a month”) and reminisce about family language and culture.
  • "One thing about Southern Blacks, they're gonna throw that [cracker] word around." – Mecca (71:53)
• Laughter-filled reflection on Black cultural pride and reclaiming language for humor.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "D'Angelo is your favorite singer's favorite singer… he was a real musician." – Jamila (05:41)
• "There was this point where anti-Blackness as a joke was cool; that doesn't make it okay." – Mecca (11:40)
• "We invented this shit … [Trolling] was being so stupid you're smart." – Jamila (15:31)
• "At what point do we as a community allow for growth?" – Jamila (20:34)
• "That was the moment everyone realized, like, you're Black." – Mecca (33:10)
• "A lot of us, when you don’t like someone, you’re never going to get off their neck." – Mecca (41:51)
• "If he apologized right now, it would be like a iMessage iOS press release." – Mecca (27:23)
• "You don’t have to lie and pretend R. Kelly wasn’t talented." – Jamila (48:56)
• "That first lesbian heartbreak, you will never forget it." – Jamila (64:11)
• "If you’re a femme, you’re going to have to be a little bit more aggressive." – Jamila, (66:56)
• "One thing about Southern Blacks, they're gonna throw that [cracker] word around." – Mecca (71:53)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:41] – Opening banter on recording in person
• [04:00] – D’Angelo’s death and musical legacy
• [07:35] – Tyler, the Creator drama and California Blackness context
• [13:15] – Internet troll culture, Odd Future, and generational divides
• [20:34] – Growth, accountability, and the culture of apologies
• [29:56] – Reflection on Trayvon Martin, racial awareness, and historical cycles
• [41:23] – When do we forgive public figures? Rules for moving on
• [58:19] – “Spin It” advice segment: Dating as a baby gay in college
• [69:42] – Black language, slang, and generational humor

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Style and Tone

• Conversational, witty, and unfiltered.
• Hosts bring deep personal and cultural perspective, infusing critical analysis with humor and candor.
• Language is openly frank, at times explicit, and deeply rooted in shared Black millennial/Zillennial experience.

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For Listeners

This episode offers a rich, nuanced exploration of accountability, growth, and Black internet culture, grounded in both laughter and lived experience. It’s an ideal listen for fans of pop culture dissection, Black cultural commentary, and anyone navigating questions about apology, legacy, and how we move forward as a community.

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Skip to [64:11] for essential baby gay lesbian dating advice, and don’t miss [48:56] for their honest take on R. Kelly, talent, and reckoning.

Transcript

[A]

She flowing in that cash call. Walk in the booth like Naomi on the catwalk and tell them woo woo from the Jaguar. It ain't even right, though. Push me and I might go. She ain't getting money. I'm like, what the. A hype for when them bitches bite Flow make my appetite go poof. Gone. Voila. Magic looking mad good just to pull up on them ramping. Hey, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Welcome back to another episode of Unhinged Immoral. I'm your host, Jameela.

[B]

And I'm your host, Mecca. And.

[A]

And we're back with just us. We know you guys be yelling at us about all these guests. Y' all don't want us to elevate. Y' all want us to just be. But we are back with our regular schedule programming. But we are in person.

[B]

We are. These chairs are not thick. Bitch friendly. I am.

[A]

My butt's hanging out the.

[B]

Out the back and I'm just spilling up here. They gonna start calling me obese in a second. We are back and we are in person.

[A]

Yes. How does it feel to be in person? Do you like the in person episodes?

[B]

Yes and no. I like the convenience of our FaceTime. Our FaceTime.

[A]

Our in home studios.

[B]

Our in home studios. It's really convenient. Those episodes at least I don't edit nothing. We had an editor Jam will edit, but from what I'm seeing, those are easier to edit versus no. Oh, okay.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Okay. That's why I said. That's why I said that. It just seemed to me to be easier logistically.

[A]

No, it's. It's not. Actually. What would be the most easiest is if our audio is synced to our video during production. No matter what, we have to sync the audio, we still have three different camera files. As far as visuals. Still gotta sync two different audio files. It's quite literally the exact same amount of work. I would say probably this might be a little bit better because we can catch issues quicker versus virtually. We won't know until we know. I mean, we had a producer, so it was a little different. She kind of could catch some stuff, but.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I think this. I would consider this easier once we have everything in place where it's not all us, but more so Jamila doing a lot of, like, the behind the scenes stuff. Then I think it'll be more of like a smooth. Yes.

[A]

And we're getting a team.

[B]

You see what I'm saying?

[A]

We actually have a team pending. I'm gonna Put it in the works.

[B]

We haven't put it up in there.

[A]

And so I think things will be a little bit more smooth. Yeah. But, yeah. Anyways, we're back regular schedule programming. Just me and Mecca onto the camera, talking to you guys, like, you guys love so, so much. And we're gonna get some things.

[B]

We have some liquor.

[A]

Yes, we do.

[B]

I have a lot of liquor, actually.

[A]

St. Julian dispellery. Caramel apple whiskey. What's that over there?

[B]

This is their sweet red wine. And then we got the sweet rose wine. And then up here, we got the sparkling.

[A]

Peachy.

[B]

Peachy.

[A]

And one thing about me, I'm a sweet wine drinker. I don't do all that I do, like.

[B]

I do, like a dry situation. Because dry wine is what gets you up.

[A]

To be honest, it all gets me fucked up.

[B]

Fair enough.

[A]

You know, and if I'm gonna get there, I'd like it to be sweet and smooth on the way down. Like me.

[B]

Please.

[A]

Yes. So tender. So sweet. So mild. So meek.

[B]

Me is like, well, I know there's a boy somewhere who thinks all those things about you.

[A]

Maybe multiple.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

That'S because she's single.

[B]

Single lady.

[A]

Oh, that's a single.

[B]

I can't even move in this damn chair. This is like I'm confined. Oh, my God.

[A]

Let's get into some things. So currently, whenever this drops, y'. All. Y' all know how we do. Whenever it drops, get into the conversation. That's when we felt like talking about it. But currently, there is a lot of conversation happening around Tyler, the creator. And I wanted to talk about it because I think it's an interesting conversation regardless. Like, we can talk about him specifically, but we can also kind of, you know, do the. Do the macro. So basically, as we know, my beloved d' Angelo passed on. That hit me. First of all, we have to take a moment there before we can even get into Tyler.

[B]

You were just on the Internet screen screaming, upper butt. Yeah, you were just on the Internet. Ah.

[A]

D' Angelo is like, oh, my gosh. Like that. Really? I was so sick when I read Mark Lamont's tweet.

[B]

So I seen it as soon as I got off the flight. Like, it came out. What was that? The morning I got to Atlanta, and it was like, I saw Mark Lamont's tweet. By the way, I'm also triggered by the word sucker. Not weird. I saw the tweet, like, 20 minutes after he made it, and I made my video on the plane. Like, I don't know how true this is because Mark Lamont literally said. My sources have told me that he was the first one that I seen. Drop it. And it was so shocking because d' Angelo was so young. Isn't it interesting? It's like, if you're living, then you're old, but if you die that age, then you're young, because it's like he was like, 51 somewhere in there, and it's like, oh, you old head. But then if you die at 51, it's like, oh, he's so young.

[A]

Oh, he's so young. Youngest had so much less.

[B]

He really was so young.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, just in the music space, d', Angelo, and I've said this before, d' Angelo is your favorite singer's favorite singer.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

He is very much one of those people in music that was a real music head. It wasn't just about the facade. It wasn't about the brand. It wasn't about the celebrity. It was all about the instrument of his voice and them chords and him on that piano and that guitar. He was a real musician. It was just like. Like, his music is so good. But more than that, like, he was a composer, and I think that that's, like, a lot of people don't do that. And so he was very conversation about that.

[B]

Yeah, he.

[A]

He was very rare, and he was very. He was very good.

[B]

He.

[A]

That was a good man. That was a good man. And so I hope that now, you know, I know there's people out there who don't really are not familiar with him. I hope y' all familiarize yourself.

[B]

I actually like when someone passes, and then it's like, we all listen to their music, and by default, a whole group of people who otherwise would not have put onto their music listen. And people act like, oh, yeah, I wasn't listening to him when. When he was. It's like. But they didn't know. And now that they do know, they're, like, trying to appreciate it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why are you mad at that? Yeah.

[A]

And you should. You should know him.

[B]

No shade.

[A]

Like. And, like, again, sometimes you can't help what you know or what you don't know. So I'm telling you now, if this is your first time hearing of d' Angelo and you were not hip to his, you absolutely need to go listen. Because not even just for the sake of listening and loving his music, but to know references and to know that these young kids, okay, it comes from somewhere.

[B]

So many prayers and positive energy out to him. Like, one year, My God, same year, that's very. That's a tough situation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Prayers up to him.

[A]

Yeah, definitely.

[B]

Obviously, all d' Angelo's kids, but no.

[A]

Literally, specifically, everybody lost his mama this year and everybody in the music industry, like, I already know they're touched. So, like, just, just, just sending, just sending my thoughts, my peace and positivity and healing over this grieving time.

[B]

Because, fuck, we lost another great onto what came of that. Because everything is a domino cause and effect.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like a lot of black people, Tyler, the creator said a rest in peace obligatory.

[A]

It was a, it was a real deep message.

[B]

You know, the thing about Tyler, as nutty as he is, I do believe he has, has always cared about the music for sure.

[A]

So before we get into this, I do have to give a disclaimer.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I loved how the creator and I.

[B]

Also want to give a disclaimer. Y' all have kicked me out the black community this week. I don't know when this is going to drop, but this week I got kicked out the black community. It's cool. I made my profile picture on Twitter Rachel Dell. So we know the vibes when we talk about Tyler. I want to talk about, like, California culture and blackness in California, because that's a piece that I haven't seen touched on that is absolutely playing into what the is going on. But yeah, I, I, I enjoy especially these lat, like I will say his adult music. I listened to Tyler when I was in high school. I used to get in trouble because of the crazy Tyler would say that my mom would hear coming from my room. But as an adult with him being, being more instrumental with the music, these last two projects have been.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So I want to say that also.

[A]

Now I'm going to be my, I'm going to do my best to be unbiased, but you can't always take biases out. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I am, I love Tyler Crater, but specifically I did not listen to Tyler Crater growing up. I knew people who did. I did not like those people who did. I'm the type of person that if you, if I don't like you as a person, the things that you like, I, I don't want to engage in.

[B]

And that makes sense.

[A]

And so the annoying people that I went to high school with really love Tyler. So I was like, repent, Tyler. I will never.

[B]

But.

[A]

And that was with a lot of things. So as I got older and he kind of switched over his sound and kind of started to mature and really kind of step into who he is as an adult, I really, like, jumped In And I was like, this is. He's really good. Like, first of all, they didn't be spitting.

[B]

My God, he's always been a spitter. But there was this. I can't barely move in this chair, y'. All. Okay. There was this contingency especially. I don't. I'm not a kid in California right now. But especially when we were growing up, Tumblr era of black kids in California who wanted to be different because y' all think it's niggas in California, but in the reality is we are less than 5% of the California. Right. Okay, so let's start it. Let's start it right there. The schools you go to are integrated now. Tyler is from. He's not even from the suburbs.

[A]

Yeah, he from the hood.

[B]

Tyler's from the hood. He's from the. He's from the area where most black kids are. But then you think LA is so gentrify that one block's the hood, the next block is. What is Rodeo Drive? Like that is. I mean, when you saw it when we were there, like, it's very trenchy. Not trenchy. Trenchy. Not trenchy. So growing up in that environment where you're constantly having heavy anti blackness all around you. I told TikTok, I went to the club with my cousins and brothers this past week and there was a sign that said no boots. Well, we watched them let a white man with Doc Martens on boot, cowboy boots, a boot. When my brother and cousin walk up. Black men with dreadlocks they have on. Timbs a nigga now you can't get in cause there's no boots. I'm like, what I just seen. So it's a lot of that type of stuff. And so there was this point where anti blackness as a joke was cool. That doesn't make it okay. Especially anti blackness amongst black kids. If you remember the All Future Boys, it wasn't really they had non black people in that group, but it was mostly black boys being silly, doing stupid shit. Yes. And so it appealed to racist white teens, but in itself was like that weird microcosm of like California blackness.

[A]

I'm figuring it out like we're trolling each other.

[B]

You're a nigger. You know, like that type of thing that obviously rolled out into like this whole thing. But that type of. Those type of boys were not just Tyler and his friends. Those type of boys could be found on all over high schools in California.

[A]

And not just California. That's what I'm saying. Like, it was. It it touched everywhere. I think also you touched on it like the sub. The suburban of it all. Because I was in the suburbs during that era where the high school was. It was not like od, mostly white, but it was mostly white. The staff was mostly white. It was generally a white area. It just so happened that 30 of the students were black because a lot of black people were moving to the area around that time. So when you had. Even though we had a good number of black people, we had enough black people in that school for. For me to feel comfortable. But I didn't feel comfortable because it wasn't all the same type of black people. Catch what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There were different groups of blacks within my high school. There was the blacks who only hung out with white folks. I'm talking about. They would play their sports and they would date their white girls. They would do the things to their hair that was questionable. They would list the crangly crossings that were questionable. You know what I mean? There was a certain. It was a vibe. You know, they would wear their. The shells around their necks, the Sperrys.

[B]

And you know what I hated? I hate that. I love a shell around my neck. I enjoy.

[A]

It was an indicator in that time. It is.

[B]

It was an indicator. And also to add to your point, I think that at the beginning of the early 2010s, you're also as a former troll. That's why I do the Internet so well. You're also seeing the rise and the creation of troll culture.

[A]

That was literally like being like, we invented this shit.

[B]

We see all this.

[A]

We created this. We created this. So I don't know how to troll properly. That's a whole other conversation. I made a video troll culture. Cuz I actually want to get into. We haven't even gotten. Tyler is trolling. We haven't even got into the meat and the potatoes. So let. Let me. Boom. Okay, So d' Angelo passed away and Tyler said this hit me. And he, you know, of course posted on it on Instagram. He left a very long comment, basically just talking about how much d' Angelo influenced his sound, how much he means to him as a black person, specifically a black person. Music, blah, blah, blah. And his white fans who have been with him for the, for the beginning of his era. Because I guarantee you now, let me just say this. If Tyler's career started in 2018, he would not have the white fancy house today. That's important to know. So the white fans that he grabbed along the way from his career were in his comments doing the fucking most, being very racist, being very weird. And he starts like, kind of like going off on them. And that created conversations on the Internet from black people saying, well, no, nigga, nah, no, nigga. You used to be on the chat room showing feet.

[B]

You though and did. But like, that's the whole thing. Him and Doja are the ultimate trolls to the point where you troll. It's. What was that? It's the transmaxing of it all. Like, we're getting into the origin, the.

[A]

Black side of the black side of transmaxing.

[B]

It's the origins of how hard can I troll? What's the worst thing I can say? What? And that is what Odd Future was. Because in itself, Odd Future is incredibly black. If you look at all the boys from Odd Future, they've gone on into black sectors. Because it was never about, I don't think actually hating being black. It was about the trans black maxing. And I was going to say it all.

[A]

And I want to. I want to preface this by saying, I know this sounds fucking stupid. This is crazy.

[B]

But so does trans maxing the point.

[A]

Like, it's kind of the point. In that era, trolling was a part of the Internet that spawned out of this idea of I misunderstood. And because I'm misunderstood, I'm gonna be extremely misunderstood. And that is gonna make me seem cool because I'm so stupid that I'm smart, because I'm being stupid to make you laugh. And so I'm really the smart one because I made a joke that's odd and weird and quirky. And that was a thing.

[B]

In the midst of this level of trolling them n gave us, we are light skinned. And that's the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life. We reference it to this day. Like they clearly were rooted in black culture. But like this, it was a lot. And again, to your point, there were several times when I had Tyler playing or my mom saw something, I would get in trouble because my mom would be like, what the fuck is this, young man?

[A]

It was ridiculous.

[B]

If we take it back to Free Earl, Earl's ass got in trouble. Earl's. First of all, Earl daddy is some type of civil rights person.

[A]

Hold the up now. You didn't play too goddamn much. And they grabbed that. They jack that up.

[B]

That whole Free Earl movement was because the. At the time that they were doing, they were still teenagers.

[A]

Yes, they parents. That's an important part too.

[B]

That's also important part.

[A]

Y' all are acting like now Again. Okay, pause before y', all, before y' all get into the anti black. We get it claims of us. I, I, we are, we are explaining the lore. We are giving you the Lord. And I don't want it to come across as though we are excusing any of the ridiculous things that happened and was said around the time. I just, I know a lot of people were not their lifetime. And so I feel like we're giving a lot of explanations for how all of that came to be. Cuz you're not giving a proper critique unless you do that.

[B]

You have context. I actually made a tik tok about this when some of Amaya and Nick's stuff was coming up during Love island. And it was stuff from the early 2010s, and it was light skinned, dark skin. It was. And I was, I had just said, y' all sitting here acting holier than thou when honestly a lot of folks need to go and scrub their Twitters, scrub their Facebooks. I myself had stuff because I, I mean, outside of Twitter, Facebook, everything else has been deleted. But my Facebook I have had since I was 12 years old. It be stuff that coming up from 2010, bitch, delete.

[A]

Like, whoa, I, I can't. And I don't know what to say.

[B]

The thing is, you have to delete it because there's no excusing it. I'm not excusing what I said, but I also understand I was 14 years old and also fuck shit and stupid. Yeah, be 30. Of course, I don't think the same. What the are we talking about? Yeah, a lot of y' all need to go clean your Twitters. I'll say it again, because you do understand. Don't even came from.

[A]

You probably don't even remember saying you don't remember. Like most people don't like. It is what it is. So yeah, around that time, that was kind of like the thing that was happening. And I think a lot of people were like, well, now, Tyler, don't be trying to be cool now, nigga. You was just with the Coonery. You was just with the coonery.

[B]

Some of that shit wasn't, let me tell you. And this is how I know it's like times are constantly changing. Because, I mean, we talk about this all the time. The talk we got from our College administration in 2014 is a very different talk that girls get now. But in real time, it doesn't seem egregious. Right. So there were some of those tweets that I was reading that I said God damn.

[A]

Fuck yeah. And it's funny because it's like at some point, I've always seen his tweets. Like, we were there right live time. Reading them back at almost 30 is like seeing that it says 2010 and 2011 and this is not right. But I'm reading it like we were insane at that time. That was such a insane time. Like, y' all just have no idea. 09 to 2014, Twitter was gutter. But in the most ridiculous way I.

[B]

Think about the people on Twitter who act, like, holier than that, I feel like they were the biggest people like that because things like light skinned, dark skinned wars, heavy racism, heavy colorism, heavy. That is what built the app. Twitter. Yes, those are the. When you think of the king batches. King batch. We know his name for a reason, though. Y'. All. Y' all were watching it, you know what I'm saying? I remember seeing some of the stuff that Tyler did that I was like, whoa, not cool. Like, I remember in real time being like, too far, man. But then some of the stuff I would be like, ha, ha, ha, ha ha. And it's just a matter of like, you. But I. I can acknowledge that, like, this is what's popular. And it was popular for a reason.

[A]

It was.

[B]

And as time has gone on, but we have educated ourselves. We become better. Just like we. If we're talking about women. Me too. We've become better. We hold each other accountable. And that's the attitude I do think that we should take. I absolutely do think things said before the age of 17. Not that it should be deleted because, like, you know, let's be serious. But let that man apologize. Let him come to us on his knees.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And I think it's interesting because so here's the part B to the conversation, or I guess a part B question, and we can answer it. At what point do we as a community allow for growth? And do we allow for growth? Because I think. I don't know for sure if Tyler has apologized for that error. I don't know if he's actually named an apology. However, the way in which he maneuvers and moves through music now, the music that he puts out now, the way he engages in media now, the things that he has said out loud about some of his weird, crazy ass fans tells me that he has matured and grown. I do think an apology would absolutely have to do help, especially now. But my question is, again, when do we accept those? Because if I'm being honest, I think that if he was to give an apology, say he apologized at the top of the year before all of this happened, I think it would have still. This would have still happened because I think that we as a community are.

[B]

Like, no, no, no.

[A]

Oh, you think you can grow and change?

[B]

No, Especially with the, with the vitriol, with some of the shit that he said, I'm not surprised people are upset. Especially. You have to remember there are also a contingency of adults on. On the Internet now who are full grown adults who were not there, who you're not going to make it make sense to, who are not going to get it. Yeah, like what? The youngest people in the club at this point were born in 04. It's about to be 05. Yeah. You're not going to make them understand early 2010s culture. They're like, you are crazy. Which you're right. You know, I'm not here to say.

[A]

You'Re wrong in the same way that we don't understand the. That happened in our parents era.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

When they try to explain it, I be like, what the are you talking about? You used to be.

[B]

Brooklyn used to be da da da.

[A]

So you're bragging about being a cr. It's always so again, it's like we have to. It's a. I don't know. It's so weird because I don't have the answers. I really don't. It's like I can't even be mad at people still saying Tyler because of some of the egregious things he said. And the thing is. But I also know that Tyler also knows he says some egregious things. And I think that he is doing his best to right his wrongs in his. In his own way through the music and through. Because if you watch some of his more recent interviews, you can tell he got his head on. It's a little bit more screwed.

[B]

Oh, I mean, also, let's not forget them boys were on drugs. The babies don't know this. YouTube don't even allow you to post shit like this. Them niggas put all them drugs in the blender, drank them and were tripping to the like.

[A]

Remember, they were Earl, whose nipple started like that might have been the video.

[B]

That got Earl sent off.

[A]

Had to be. They were not. They were sober.

[B]

Hey. They were on like actual drugs.

[A]

Yes. That's like a cocktail of them.

[B]

Like, it's just. It's so much with them specifically. It's so much.

[A]

Yeah, but I do.

[B]

I don't think PR little spin it before the spin it. I don't think if he apologizes exactly at this moment, it's going to do anything.

[A]

He should wait.

[B]

He should wait. I think if he does it now, he's going to be met with Baraja.

[A]

And they're going to be like, oh, you just wanna. Yeah.

[B]

And I think what he should do because he hasn't outright came out and apologized, but over at least the last five to six years from what I've seen of him, it's been a very clear like frontal lobe clicked and then he was like his. His project showed like his progression. I mean, he don't really be having a whole bunch of white folks even in his. No more. He got mad when they. And this is how you know which he being so irritated to your point about. If he had came out in 2018, the white fans would not be the same. Yeah. When he made that mask on the last album, white people from 2018 up would not have thought it was okay to make that mask because you made them feel comfortable in trolling black people because that was your brand. At one point they went and made them black face ass masks. And now we on TikTok talking about it because a black person with no context is like, what the fuck? Yeah. And they looking at you like, what the fuck? So now you looking at your fans like, what the fuck?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like this whole situation of he should wait. But I do think in his apology he should cite his growth through the music.

[A]

Here's what I think would be really dope. This is something I think would benefit not just Tyler, but a lot of different people who have been within this weird transition of media spaces. And I think it would really, really be dope with Tyler. And there's been rumors or I guess people have wanted to have wanted this for a while. I would love a documentary specifically talking about our future because if you also look back and how our future has kind of separated and done their own thing now they're all so successful in their own way. Like Earl's album that just dropped not too long ago was really good and he got a lot of praise for it. And it's just about his growth and all of those things in general. So it's like, I think that an odd future documentary would be so dope because I think also for the fans who are our age, who grew up with them and who are now able to see them as adults, for fully actualized adults and doing the media, that I think that they Always kind of really wanted to do in that art form, to see a documentary and be.

[B]

Raw and truthful and address everything.

[A]

Cause really talk about the jackassness of it all.

[B]

Cause they were black. Jackass.

[A]

That's what it was, right? Cause look at Steve O now.

[B]

Sober, alive.

[A]

Sober, alive. And he talks about how that shit was fucking crazy. But now it's like, people don't look at Jack. Oh, Jackie.

[B]

What? Steve O. Not Jackie O, child. Not Jackie.

[A]

Jackie O is crazy. People don't look at him now and be like, oh, you fucking, you know, degenerate. It's like, damn, baby, you still here. Cause some of them didn't make it on.

[B]

God, I don't even think all the. All future boys ain't even make it. Yeah, let's get like. And that's a good PR spin, Jameela. Let's get into. We was on.

[A]

And that's. And that's an authentic. And it's not even, like, fake. It's. It's real. It's authentic. Because I don't think that it even needs to be necessarily an apology. Right. Because you don't owe. Now, this is just my honest opinion. When you do some stupid in your life that was centered around you and just saying a whole bunch of bullshit but you didn't actually do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't really think that you necessarily owe the world an apology. I think that you owe yourself, himself, some grace. But I also think you need to figure out a way to address it. So I think that they can address it without necessarily feeling like they have to apologize. So I think an apology at this point will feel inauthentic and weird.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. If he apologized right now, it would be like a iMessage iOS press.

[A]

Yeah. It'll be like, oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry I called you guys. That's not going to land. Versus. Let's show what really happened. Show the. All the nitty gritty between Odd and Odd future. Show the fights. Show the shit that we never even knew happened.

[B]

Show us Earl's mama cussing y' all out. Cause y' all did have them white fans harassing her ass when she sent her son to boarding school because y' all was on that bullshit on YouTube doing them drugs in that blender. Let's start. The thing is, again, he's an age mate. We watched it happen in real time. I know he thinks this shit is crazy. Because me, I'm like, what the fuck? Mm. Just like we were saying yesterday well, when we were filming one of our. And the black mama in me came out. It's like the way I'm thinking now is not how I thought 10 years ago. I have to think as an adult. I have to be serious.

[A]

Like not even. Not even a little bit. So I think that that would be really good. Tyler would love to produce it and direct it. Call me. I can get your Open invite. Open invite.

[B]

Open invite.

[A]

But not even. Not even again, not even just on the. The PR apology tip. Because fudge that. Just on a. That's a story that needs to be told.

[B]

I would love, like.

[A]

Are you kidding?

[B]

And I feel like our, you know, nostalgia is going to sell for every generation and we're seeing it with ours. 2016 becoming a costume. My culture becoming a costume is nuts, right? But like taking people back to that point in high school, that's like, that's such an untapped. I know y' all ain't thought about that and these tweets are helping are bringing up a lot of shit that I know you ain't thought about. You really haven't. Bitch, what the fuck? I'm thinking about 2010 for.

[A]

Exactly. And that's such an era of time that hasn't been tapped in yet because it's still King Kylie.

[B]

You missing the pedophile and the king. It was Tyga. Well, again, if we get into the problematicness of the early 2000s and it was right there. You had a grown ass man leave his grown ass baby mother for a teenage. Her family co signed it and they made it pop.

[A]

They called it King Kylie.

[B]

Cause Tyga's whole brand was king. That's why the baby named King Cairo.

[A]

Bringing her into the black spaces with that yaki ponytail.

[B]

It was all a mess, y'. All. It was a goddamn mess.

[A]

It was a. Y'.

[B]

All. How do y' all think the Kardashians were able to thrive? The early 2010s, the culture of like trolling and blackness being like commodified and like this whole thing and everybody participated in. Both black and white people participated in.

[A]

That's the point.

[B]

And it's hard to.

[A]

We allowed a lot of. We. We have to be honest with ourselves. I was a kid and I never allowed that cuz I've always been revolutionary. One thing about me, I never. I never partaked in that King kind.

[B]

Of no shade wheezy. You allowed a lot of.

[A]

Listen. But we as a community, as a black community, we have to hold ourselves responsible as well for a lot of the Things that we as a community allowed to happen. We allowed a lot of shit to happen because y' all allowed Drake to be light skinned.

[B]

He's mixed.

[A]

We were, we were participating in it.

[B]

Now you're calling me biracial. I'm not biracial. So much shit comes from that era. We need a whole document. We remember how MTV used to do the.

[A]

I love the.

[B]

I love the 80s. And then they would go an hour on year by year by year.

[A]

We need one.

[B]

We do. And we need it actually done by BET because we need the things that.

[A]

We'Re talking about and we need people who were there and who are participant in those subset cultures. Because there was a lot of things that birthed, that were birthed out of that era. And we need people who were there in the knit and the grit of it all. But yeah, we participate in a lot of that. Yeah, we part participate in a lot of anti blackness that allow for these white folks to feel so comfortable. And I will tell you this, let me tell you this about an awakening that our black community had. It was 2012 when Trayvon Martin was killed.

[B]

That is that. No, no, no, no. You can cite the turning point in like wokeness. And I don't mean a derogatory, but just people literally waking up and being like, yo, this shit's not funny. Because the way that this again, I age myself. I found out about Trayvon Martin on media takeout. That is an old school block. And they used to have. It was like a web page, it was like a picture. And they used to be on the ground, which is someone had posted crime scene pictures. And I remember being so. Like what? Yeah. And watching how white people reacted to.

[A]

That situation, it shook a lot of people. And, and I, I will never forget it because when I was in high school, when I was in middle school and high school, I was very on the other side of things. Cuz like I told you, I was always a revolutionary. Okay. My father told me crackers ain't from birth. I just knew that and I had that in me. And I was always very hyper aware of shit. But it always felt like I was not, I want to say, like I was just so different. Like, but I really was. Like a lot of people were not thinking that deeply into things because we were kids, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I remember being the odd person out by calling out for being racist. I would call out for being coons and letting folks say I would, I would copy about all the time. And it was always looked at as like Jamila Chell is not that deep. And I just all it always was. I will never forget when that shit happened with Trayvon Martin, Specifically the trial. And of course, things that would happen in the news. We would come to school, talk about it, but more so on the front of Our parents are talking about it. Yeah, but it would never be that serious. That was something very serious. I will never forget this bitch named Morgan. White bitch named Morgan tweeted something along the lines of, Trayvon deserved it. When that bitch came to school, all the niggas said, wait, now, hold on. And it was crazy because it was niggas that I knew were Coons. I was like, hey, the Coons are having a turning point. Point.

[B]

No, no, no. But yes, that was. That was a turning point because I think that's the moment everyone realized, like, you're black. Yeah, that's the moment. It was like, it really doesn't matter what type of. You are still nigga.

[A]

Yes. It literally clicked for them.

[B]

And I was like, because if you remember the. And when white people was being Trayvon with the hoodies and the Skittles in Arizona to be funny. And it was like, y' all are mocking a young man who was quite literally minding his business, this walking to his mama house. Some ass man in the neighborhood said, you're not supposed to be here. You walk into your mama house from getting a snack, like. And he's a year older than us. So I constantly think about, damn, Trayvon's somebody I think about a lot because he was our age. Jordan Davis, he was killed in, like, a similar time frame for having his music up too loud.

[A]

Tamir Rice, too.

[B]

He was a baby. Rice was a baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Was a goddamn 12 year old philando Castell. It was like, happening concession. And then Sandra Bland hit for Sandra Bland was in the midst of that. Sandra Bland died at 28 or 29. Maybe it was 29 because it's this past year. And I was like, Damn, we turned 29 this year. I couldn't imagine, Like, I can't imagine that happened to me like, now.

[A]

It was just.

[B]

It's just like, so madness.

[A]

And so when that happened, a lot of black people and it was. It's like I can picture all of this. Like, I can almost see a map in my head or like a calendar in my head of dates and years. And it's like I can see the waves of, like, progression in our social awakening because I can even see with my own friends, like, because I've always been the. The woke friend in that sense. But now versus in high school, I'm watching people's wokeness change or whatever. And so that was like a pivotal point. And it was more so like a wake up call. Like, oh, like, y' all are way. Y' all are racist. And it's like, right. Like I said. Because they thought if we're all he can together, if we're all cool, like, nah, they're not racist. Cause we do this.

[B]

Mm mm.

[A]

You don't hear what they saying.

[B]

My God sisters are half white. And so whenever we go see them, like, they have a good contingency of white friends and white people who'd be around them. And around that time, my godmother, who's white, that's when Darrington started growing out his dreads. And this is in high school. This is when all this going on.

[A]

She was, no, you cannot.

[B]

Lindy, don't let him grow his hair out. Like, she was. I remember it was like a thing because she was very concerned. That's number one. Number two, they had something at their house. And one thing about my mom and her friends, they get crunk, right? But obviously my mom is my God mom's friend. My godmom's friends are there. These are white women. And one of them let it slip, like, we're just all in a group. Kids are around. We're in high school. My God sisters are passing. I think they will be considered passing. She basically said, I'm so glad you guys don't look black. And I also think that was like another revolutionary moment for me. As in, y' all know what the fuck y' all be doing. Y' all know what the fuck y' all be doing. Cause you drunk as you out your mind in front of some black kids, getting comfortable telling these little girls that you glass look like only black bitch. After that, I said, and fuck white people. And I never. And I never look back.

[A]

That was like.

[B]

Right. I think that was like my freshman year at Hampton. It was either. Right before Hampton, it was just. It was such a. It was such a map for me. Like, I was always kind of on that because my parents were always on that. But then there was always this sense of like, we're still in California, we still have to mix. We still have to do all this. But after that, I said, oh, wow. We're not even saying the quiet part out loud. Cool.

[A]

You know, it's funny, this wave of, like, things were cool. A lot of people were like cohabitating, right? A lot of people played around together. People Played sports, everybody was cool. But then there was a moment in time and something happened. And then things were kind of, like, tense, like, wait, what's going on? We're different. We're different, you and I. And then things kind of get peaceful again, but then something else happens. 2020. And it's like that entire timeline has happened before. I specifically remember talking to my dad. I'm like, bro, like, obviously, I know. I mean, he was born in 61.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I know that you experienced racism, but what was it like? Just throughout the years, was it similar? Was it worse? And from his explanation, it was a very similar experience. There would be years that would go by where it seemed like, obviously we know that racism exists. That's a thing, right? It's kind of like just an over.

[B]

Just a.

[A]

Just a cloud, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then there would be moments of, like, Kumbaya. Like, you don't really notice it. Everybody's partying together. Then a thing would happen that would remind you, and then it creates this tension. Rodney. Rodney King. That's the situation.

[B]

We can all just get along.

[A]

Those little pivotal moments that happen where it kind of just. It almost just turns the mirror to everybody.

[B]

Like, OJ6, keep it a stack. Mm. He absolutely killed that white woman. But he absolutely did that shit. But there was a sense. I'm just telling you what my mama. Mama had told me.

[A]

Well, shit, y' all done got.

[B]

White people had got away with killing so many black people.

[A]

Let us get away with it.

[B]

It was like, we got this one.

[A]

We got this one.

[B]

And again, saying it out loud, it sounds crazy, but unless you're there in that microcosm of time, you're really not going to get it. Because the people who were there, it makes sense to.

[A]

Well, they didn't lynched us for years. And that's. That's really what happened. They were literally. And it's going to keep happening. There's going to be waves. There's going to be. There's going to be waves of. Things seem relatively peaceful right now. Right? Of course there's things going on behind closed doors. Of course there's always going to be the systems in play, but there's going to be times where it seems as though a lot of communities are intermingling and it's relatively calm. And there's going to be a pivotal situation that changes the trajectory for the next couple of years. And I think what's unique about this time is we've had a lot of instances back to back to back, and it's Almost like we haven't been able to get back to a level of calmness, honestly, since 2012. It's been a steady incline of ridiculousness up until now. And that's over 10 years of.

[B]

I also think because it's not just the microcosm of like racism. You have like homophobia, you have transphobia, you have classism, you have elitism. Like we have a lot of different octopus legs going on right now. Because it could be said that y' all absolutely tried to start a race war with the death of Charlie Kirk.

[A]

Well, yes, and still are trying.

[B]

And because then people got on, on Tick Tock and told us about trans maxing, it's like, well, I wasn't for us anyway, you see. So it's like you have different stuff going on.

[A]

And on top of that, we as a community, as people are growing in consciousness. So it's not because all of these isms, all these phobias, all of these systems have been in place, but now we're getting more education, we have more communication, we're in community with more people across the globe because of social media being able to be exposed to all these different groups. So our consciousness is expanding while also these systems are becoming even more strict. So it's kind of like we can't even ignore a lot of this shit no more because now I'm over aware, I know exactly what the fuck is happening. And they also do a really bad job now of hiding.

[B]

They don't even try.

[A]

They don't even fucking try no more.

[B]

Something when you talk about systems becoming more strict. I was on Twitter and by default, because I'm. We're tiktokers and so we're used to Tick Tock community guidelines, which is incredibly strict, which is why we created things like saying I say n word, we say unalived and then sometimes you take that over to other platforms and I remember someone I said something about unalived and this girl called me. It is killed.

[A]

You are.

[B]

You are not making it a series that it is. And I'm like, whoa, what'd you say me for? I'm just trying like, like, you know, systems are so strict that we've created like code, but then in within that people are mad at the code. It's like, well, we're just trying to operate within the system, baby. Like I don't, you know. Yeah, it's a constant.

[A]

It's a constant swing. So I guess the question again, because I don't think we answered it.

[B]

I forgot the question.

[A]

No, but we had to give so much context.

[B]

Yes. What was the question about Tyler?

[A]

The question not even really about Tyler, just about anyone in general who has had a moment and they're trying to escape from that moment. What will it take for us as a community or for you? We can answer for you. What does it take for you to be like, maybe not even I forgive this person, but I'm allowing that person to grow to the point where I won't keep banging it over their head that they did this thing. What does that look like for. For you?

[B]

I also want to put out there again. I enjoy Tyler the Creator's music, so I'm going to pretend as if I don't like Tyler. So someone I don't like, I'll probably never get off your neck. And I feel like that's the problem. That's the problem with a lot of us. When you don't like someone, you're never going to get off their neck. It doesn't matter how long time, like how many. How much time goes. I do think that the best Tyler can do, or anyone in Tyler's situation, I should say, is keep not doing the shit you were doing before, because what happens. It sounds cliche, that quote, unquote, time heals all. People forget. And I think our attention spans are so much shorter than they've ever been. People do shit every day and it's, you know, the news cycles a day. Let this blow, let this pass over, keep proving yourself, improving the opposite of what they think of you. And you'll see that people will come to your defense. Like, people will be like, well, hey, he ain't did that in 10, 15 years. Because there is a. I think a lot of people are stupid, but I don't think everyone is. And so what ends up happening is you have people coming to your defense. And a lot of people read comments, a lot of people to get their thought and they'll read arguments. And if you're. If you've been doing what you're supposed to be doing, hey, you still got people arguing for R. Kelly, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So all bad for me.

[A]

It's one of those things where it's all contingency. It totally depends on the person, the thing that they did or said, how long it. It took and. And what they did to correct the issue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm trying to think of somebody who had. Has a good example of kind of correcting their wrongs or just kind of moving on. Because sometimes it's not even about correcting. Sometimes it's literally just like, moving on and doing things differently. But I don't have any examples at the top of my head. I'll keep thinking as I talk. But if someone did something egregious, like an R. Kelly, for example, I'm gonna use R. Kelly as an example.

[B]

Easy example.

[A]

The things that he did transcended conversation. He wasn't just talking about. He wasn't just a menace. He was actively harming children and women over the course of a few decades. And so for me, it's not even a conversation of, well, can't R. Kelly just apologize? Because at that point, what is he? Who is he apologizing to?

[B]

To me?

[A]

Or is he apologizing to those victims? And again, it's on those victims to be able to say whether or not they feel like they want to accept that apology. It ain't for me to do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that as a woman, as a black woman, as someone who has experienced sexual violence in that way. No, you lost me. And that sometimes is a thing. When you have a close proximity to a situation, you are going to feel way more close to that than someone who may not have that experience. So for me, with an R. Kelly situation, it's like, you. You, where you at, and I' ma leave you right there. It obviously when it. When we're talking about artists who have media, right? Where, if I'm being honest, you cannot escape R. Kelly. And that's something that I need people to understand because it's not just about his music. R. Kelly was a writer and composer in that way, too. This did a lot in the industry. So we can't escape him.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't particularly care to engage in R. Kelly's music specifically, also because knowing that he wrote a lot of his specific music about the encounters he had with Aaliyah or other girls that were underage, it feels bad, if that makes sense. If I hear an R. Kelly song come on, that's where my mind goes. And that's why I can't listen to his music. And I think that that's important to say also, because it's not even just about a protest.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I'm not saying we will not listen to R. Kelly music because I will not give him any money. It's actually deeper than that for me. If I'm listening to a song the R. Kelly wrote, my mind immediately goes to, he raped a little girl. And that makes me feel uncomfortable. And I don't like to feel uncomfortable when I listen to music. Now, I also think it's important that we tell the whole story about somebody like R. Kelly because I think sometimes when people are in their activist bag, they start to serious.

[B]

But it's me in this chair again.

[A]

A lot of people like to not be booty friendly. A lot of people like to skew history when they're trying to be in their activist bag because it makes them feel more righteous. You are not more righteous because you say that R. Kelly can't sing. That is that you're.

[B]

That's a lie.

[A]

You're fucking the conversation up.

[B]

That's. And it's also a lie.

[A]

It's also like. Because now we're having a different conversation. Right. Because now you're allowing people to kind of debate. No, no, we have. We can be honest since R. Kelly was extremely talented. Okay. R. Kelly was absolutely one of the best writers we had. Absolutely an incredible musician and producer and singer. And that's why it. It sucks so bad that so many people had to kind of let him go because he was in people's top five top tens or whatever.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All of that is true. And I think by trying. Trying to be so Fuck R. Kelly that you start lying is not helping.

[B]

It's like when people add dubs on a bad thing. Like, you know how when something bad happens. Yes. And then everyone creates like some weird ass. Worser.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Worse or worser conspiracy theory.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

Wait, it was all. You could just be bad.

[A]

Like it was bad.

[B]

Like you didn't have had more bad to it. It was bad, full stop.

[A]

Like, exactly. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. No, I actually hate that because I feel like it takes away from the bathroom.

[A]

I do too.

[B]

The initial bad thing. Why are you adding more?

[A]

We don't have to do that. And I think also understand me as a music person, as I. I. Every single day I got to listen to me some music. And I really, really enjoy music. And I think y' all need to hear me say this. R. Kelly was one of my favorite artists. Right.

[B]

I did enjoy stepping in the name of love.

[A]

That man was and is very, very talented when it comes to writing music. Melodies, harmonies, all the things. And it pisses me off to great lengths when I learned all the things that I learned about him. Yeah. It's disgusting. And it makes me feel so icky and uncomfortable to listen to him that I literally just really don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that is so fucked up. And I think that y' all need to just be honest and say that. And I think sometimes people be like, oh, well, he couldn't even write anyway. He was illiterate.

[B]

Shut the fuck up. He wrote you are not alone about the abortion that he made. What? What the hell? He made that girl do something egregious and horrible and terrible. That's a wonderful song. And it's about some.

[A]

We don't have to do that, boo. You don't have to create these fake things to make it so they can be like. Because then it's like, so in your mind. It's like, oh, well, it's easy for me to not listen to R. Kelly because he wasn't even that good.

[B]

You're lying.

[A]

What are we. Are we talking about.

[B]

Have you ever heard the remix to Ignition?

[A]

Are we talking about the. That R. Kelly did? Are you trying to create this idea that R. Kelly wasn't talented? What conversation are you trying to have? Because we're gonna have a real conversation. Let's have a real convers. It's the same thing that happens when bitches be beefing the rap beefs. We can say that Nicki Minaj last beef was as ridiculous as possible, but you're not about to sit here and say Nicki could never rap. Now we can't. Now we're not even having a real conversation.

[B]

We're not. But the fuck y' all talking about saying Nikki can't rap. She can. She's goaded.

[A]

Like, what are we saying?

[B]

But it's also on the flip when they try and downplay the crimes of her husband. Like, y' all are just stupid. Just everything is everything. Call it spade a spade. The woman is goaded. Her husband's a piano.

[A]

Let's be more honest about the entire conversation because I think it gives validity to your point too.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because now I can take you seriously. Now I know. Oh, you know, ball, as the young kids say. You know, ball. We can chat.

[B]

I'm sorry, I need to correct myself. Her brother's a pedophile. Her husband's a rapist. You know, I don't wanna. I don't wanna say the wrong information.

[A]

That's not even alleged. That's.

[B]

I don't have to say alleged. Both had convictions. Yeah, that's not alleged. That's the fact. Not allegedly.

[A]

Not.

[B]

Isn't that what Cardi said or somebody said? Not allegedly.

[A]

So, yeah, I guess to answer my own question, because one thing about it, we never get to the answer of the question.

[B]

We haven't answered the question yet.

[A]

I just don't know. It really is a case by case.

[B]

It depends. It depends on what I'm saying.

[A]

I'll Answer it for Tyler. Then I'll answer for Tyler. That's why I said I like Tyler. And I also was not a fan of him when he was doing the fuck shit.

[B]

Cool.

[A]

So for me, Tyler, I already told you what I want to see from you. I want to see a documentary of our future, and I want to see the transition that all the members had into their. Their stage of their career now, but also what that meant for y' all as maturing and all of that. I think that that would be really dope to see because sometimes people try to shy away from the they did, and sometimes it does a lot of good to just show, like, no, we were really stupid, and we did a lot of dumbass, and now we don't do dumb anymore, and now we grow, and now we learn, and da, da, da. And I think that if you continue on this path of basically letting your white fans know that you're not my core and you're not who I'm making this art for, and so you need to act accordingly. And I think if you keep with that mindset, I think you'll be okay. It's not in a sense of I feel like I am owed an apology necessarily. I do think that people would like to see an apology from you just to kind of show that acknowledgment. I don't think it would hurt you, but I do think it needs to be authentic, and I think you need to mean it, and I think people need to hear it from your mouth and not write it. Sidebar. Y' all need to stop writing those apologies on your notes.

[B]

It's a joke. At this point. I don't know what I don't prhc.

[A]

Told y' all that made sense.

[B]

I also don't know if I like the. The selfie video apology.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I also don't take that seriously. I don't like, you propped your camera up, you're reading a script. This is not real. I like, like what we're talking about. I like, embed the apology somewhere in the next interview. Embed the apology somewhere in the art form. Embed the apology somewhere where we're clearly catching it.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But, like, it's not so forced. Yeah.

[A]

And the thing is, y', all. I don't know if y' all have ever apologized for something before. Maybe that's what it is.

[B]

I don't know if y' all ever.

[A]

Maybe y' all don't do apologies often, but when it. When it's time to apologize, there's things that you Say the end. The apology. That's not all about, hey, I'm sorry, right? Because if I, if I accidentally bump into somebody that's oh, my bad, quick, I'm sorry, right? Because that's all it needed. But if I someone's husband, maybe an I'm sorry is not enough. Maybe you need to have.

[B]

What if you're not sorry for the husband?

[A]

Well then don't apologize. And I never said apologize for things.

[B]

You don't apologize for things you are not sorry for.

[A]

You can, you can give clarity.

[B]

You can give. You said, oh my God, that bitch. And I fucked her husband. And I fucked her husband because I did not like her. I'm getting real, girl. Yes, I'm sorry. And she's been quiet because she went to jail. That's like one of my, my tick tock sides that I have.

[A]

I don't know anything about them people and I don't even know.

[B]

We hear about it on Patreon.

[A]

But yeah, also what I love about.

[B]

Ariana Grande, if Elizabeth Taylor. If you're going to be that, then lean into to it. I hate a who shies away, shies away place.

[A]

Oh, no, I'm not that.

[B]

That's not who I am. No, that's absolutely who you are, beloved. Yeah.

[A]

Be who you are in all facets of it and you'll be fine. And in your apology, you can. Like she said, it doesn't have to be because this is what you guys don't do. Hey, guys. So I know that you guys read my tweets where I called everybody big fat ugly black bitches. I. I now know that that was wrong and I should not have called you guys dirty sluts. I just want to apologize for my words. I'm learning and I'm growing and I am holding myself accountable. And I hope that you can take this apology and allow me to learn and grow.

[B]

You're not wearing I'll be better jade or a shirt that says empath on it.

[A]

You're going too deep. These people don't know what the you're talking.

[B]

I think they do.

[A]

I love island watchers.

[B]

See the video of her at the same party as Nickelandria and she made her video during. Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me?

[A]

I can't stand a corny ass on God.

[B]

Empathy.

[A]

Corny ass. But yeah, you could do something like come sit on the unhinged immoral couch. We'll ask you the questions and you can embed it there if you'd like.

[B]

You think our audience Will want to see Sierra.

[A]

I'm not talking about that.

[B]

Oh, I was gonna say. Cause I'll be like, girl, why you doing all that?

[A]

I have nothing to talk to her about. And that's no shade. But like, girl, what the. I got two questions for you and I could ask you that on TikTok and I have.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm just. I just mean in general. Anybody who. If you have some things you want to apologize for, we could let us be your space.

[B]

I apologize.

[A]

Is there anything you would like to apologize for?

[B]

I'd like to apologize on behalf of light skinned women for all the egregious crimes and all the laughter because I too don't think light skinned should laugh.

[A]

Did you apologize for being light skinned?

[B]

I did.

[A]

This reminds me of Cheetah Girls with Dorinda. She's like, would it be better if I was shrimpy and white?

[B]

Would it be better if I was shrimping white? Some of you guys already said I'm white. I've already been kicked out the black community. You guys can't do anything anymore.

[A]

To me, apologizing for being light skinned is a very light skinned thing to do. They will clock your tea on that.

[B]

So guys, I'm So wait. All I need to do is be in like a dashiki when I do it. I'm gonna do this again and I'm being a full African garb. Like a dashiki. I'm gonna put my whole little my galey back on. Guys, this is doctor. What is the black lady sketch? What's her name? Doctor.

[A]

Go ahead and do it and let me know what happened.

[B]

I can't. Can't be no more than what's already been said. Let me think.

[A]

Do I have anything that I'd like to apologize for?

[B]

For?

[A]

No.

[B]

I'm sorry my mom isn't white.

[A]

I have no apologies. I lead with intention.

[B]

I'm sorry my dad isn't white.

[A]

There's nothing that I've said that I would want to take back. Nothing.

[B]

Everything I'm apologizing for is out of my control.

[A]

That's why you haven't seen an apology from me.

[B]

Me? Yeah. No. A serious apology. Not at all. No. I don't have anything to say I'm sorry for I stand on everything. I did get money. I'm sorry. I can't say that because I'm not black.

[A]

Let's spin it. All right, y', all, let's get back to it. We're gonna do our segment spin it. That you guys love so much. Are you going to introduce it?

[B]

Sorry, I was drinking my juice. Okay, get yourself together. I was gonna say there's hair on it. Okay, okay. Just. Just go. It's this chair. Welcome to our segment. Spin it. This is where you guys send Jamila and I your low down gutter snipe messy ass situations. Now we are going to give you a little advice and most importantly, we're going to put a PR spin on it. Remember, Jamila and I are not PR professional. We just studied in undergrad. Be sure to email your situations to at unhinged anymore, Pod. Don't forget to include your ages, your races, your sexuality, your political preferences. If you're a boy, say your height. It does matter. Jamila, what do we have this week?

[A]

Alrighty. The title of this is need some big sister advice when we got you, girl. I'd like to remain anonymous.

[B]

Queens, period.

[A]

Wait, did I read this one? No, I didn't. Okay, y' all just love to remain anonymous. That'd be your first thing y' all say. Don't say my name. Well, don't give it to me, baby.

[B]

Give us a fake name. All right.

[A]

Boom.

[B]

Hey y'.

[A]

All, I'm a 19 year old college student corporate baddie. I'm doing very good for my age. I have an amazing job, co op program, my own apartment. Wait, what is a co op program?

[B]

I think a co op is like internship. Like work and college. Okay.

[A]

Period.

[B]

Period. Okay. Good for you, girl.

[A]

My own apartment and I'm doing great in school. The only thing I feel like I'm lacking is the love department. Y' all always feel like y' all lacking a nigger. Me too. Now let me preface this by saying I am a lesbian. Oh, gag me bad. Sorry, sister. Y' all always want a bitch. So the advice may need to be revised and tailored. I'm still fairly young, but I'm very much experienceless. A couple of failed situations here and there. The advice I'm seeking is how do I date and have fun? How do I go about finding the bad bitties and creating a roster? I don't know if the roster life is for me or not since I have experience having one. But I do know that I want to experience romantic experiences. I know with everything you want, you have to be intentional. Intentional about it. How do I go about being intentional with what I want? Which would be romantic prospects and partners. Side note, I'm currently attending a community college but will be transferring to a university this fall. I'm also interning in a dope ass City this summer. I think this would be a perfect time to put myself out there, whatever that means. Okay. 19, college student, gay. Wants a lover. Wants to get into the romance things. It gives. My sister has never really tapped into that. It's giving. Possible virgin. Maybe not. I'm not sure. Didn't really give those details. What shall she do? She wants a roster. She wants some love. I can tell you what I was.

[B]

Doing at your age.

[A]

Beware.

[B]

That's why I feel like that's a beware. That's a beware warning. Warning.

[A]

Mecca advice.

[B]

Warning. Dating apps. Like I was on them apps so fucking heavy at your age. The school that we went to at that time was in a plot of like it was a bunch of colleges in the area. So and, and it was a military base. So there were a lot of prospects in the area. If you're moving to a big city, you might be in a similar situation. I don't want to all out tell you just to hop on the apps though, because, you know, we've learned so much about dating apps in the last decade that I think we got to consider some things. Meet people at your school, go to like mixers. I know we, we met a lot of boys at house parties. Like there were like, you know, you could, you could. Especially now being lgbtqia. Plus you have to get the whole mob is, is more readily acceptable. Like there are more situations and places to go to find people like yourself and assume that you're black. So I be feeling like black people. Like if you're going to a pwi, you're more likely to find. You won't have to seek out specifically like lesbian things. Like you're going to find it at like the black things because all the black people are going to congregate together. It's not going to be a matter of sexuality. And then you'll do your break offs. That's. That was just my experience at PWI where it was like all the black people over here and then we'll break off into like groups like so that's what I would say do. Especially college age. I think that you should keep it to the college age. I don't think that you should be trying to talk to no nobody. 25 plus, don't be talking to no grown ass womans. Okay. I'm saying, man. But them grown ass bitches who be talking to them young ass bitches, y' all is a problem too. I'm gonna get on y' all neck in a second. I'll let jamila do hers. But I got y' all motherfucking number. Them old ass studs be talking to them young ass fans. Bitch, y' all got me fucked up, all right?

[A]

What I would say is, it sounds to me because you said love and you said romantic. So it sounds to me like you want a girlfriend, right? You want a relationship. And I think that you might need to slow down. And I say that because you don't have a lot of experience. And what's gonna happen, I know lesbians down. What's going to happen is you're going to get into that first relationship and it's going to be a whirlwind of trouble because it's going to be the first bitch you see and the first bitch that liked you back. And you know lesbians move 10 times the speed of anybody else, okay? And I'm trying to protect you from a heartbreak, okay? That first lesbian heartbreak, you will never forget it. Ask around, I'm telling you, okay? So what I would say is start off slow and start dating before you start trying to just jump into a relationship. You're 19.

[B]

Girl.

[A]

You ain't trying to get married, is you? You're trying to have a kid and a life and a picket fence and a dog and a family. No, slow the down. Date. And the way that you date in college, my God, it was so easy dating in college. It's. That is the easiest place you can date because you're literally surrounded by kids, right? So when I say kids, I mean kids your age. Just preface. But yeah, go to events. But also, one thing about college, there is a organization for every group of people. They literally have gay organizations on campus. If you're specifically trying to grow to the. The gay congregation. And sometimes they even have black gay spaces. So look into the spaces. Join organizations. That's always going to be one of my most things I say to college students who are looking to meet anybody. Join organizations. They have so many organizations that do so many different things. Whether it's community service, community service based, whether it's sisterhood based, whether it's this or that, or dance groups and like that.

[B]

And you said you black, you could join a sorority.

[A]

30% of them are bound to be gay. Unless you go SG row 65, Jamila.

[B]

Know what we're talking about?

[A]

I'm just telling you. You want the numbers on your side or what? You know what I mean? There's so many different ways you can do that. Another way is the dormitory. Listen, I don't know what type of dorm you can have but some dorms are really like community based dorms so you can kind of maneuver and maningle and meet people and things like that dorm. Our member, our.

[B]

Our roommate. I'm just saying name. I'm still cool with her. Shout out to your highness. That young lady had bitches running through a room. My God, I've never seen anything like that.

[A]

She should be coming out the room. It's a new. Honestly, all of our little baby studs. All of our little baby studs in Hampton they were treacherous and they had a great time for sure.

[B]

I mean and being the nick because like it was our room and then directly across the hall we used to hear things and I'm not talking about like nasty things. I am talking about nasty things, but more so I'm talking about arguments in this moment.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Worse than any. That's why when the girls be like.

[A]

I'm going to leave long. Go with the girls.

[B]

I don't know if you want to do that baby. Yeah. Are you sure?

[A]

Now you didn't put any details as far as how you present. So I don't know if you're a mass presenting lesbian or a thin presenting lesbian or a little stimmy stem. I will say, and this is unfortunate, but it is. It's just the truth in math. If you're a stud or a stem, you're going to have better luck finding cuz they're going to come to you. If you are a feminist. And I know this again because I be in the lesbian conversations. You know that. You know that I have my ears to the streets. If you are a fem, you're going to have to be a little bit more aggressive as. And when I say aggressive, I mean seeking out.

[B]

And that's why them old ass FS be with them young ass studs. I'm on y' all neck too.

[A]

And I want, I wonder if you are into dating other fims. Like I want to know what your preference is. Cuz that also, you know, determines what you're looking out for. But if you are a fem presenting lesbian, sometimes you have to do a.

[B]

Little bit more work.

[A]

You need to go into those spaces year of age, boo. You can go to the gay bars. Go to them. The lesbian bars are a little bit more, from what I hear, the lesbian bars are way more lesbian centered. They're very focused on keeping the lesbian spaces. Lesbian versus the gay bars. Kind of be like everybody in the community. So go to a lesbian bar. You might find some people. But again, beware of their age. Because older people can get younger people.

[B]

I don't, I don't like when I see that. I don't like seeing that. I don't like them old ass women with them young ass women because it's still predatory. I'm not a fan of it. I hate it.

[A]

It absolutely is. And they know. And they know you're a baby gay. Okay? Baby gays. Baby gays get taken advantage of all the time because y' all are so new, fresh and out. And so you just be like, I'm having fun. I'm gonna do what I want. I'm out. And they're gonna be like, yes. And they got your ass. And now look at you in a bad relationship with some random. Don't do it. Take your time. You're gonna have a good time. The joys of being 19 in college. Seeking out love interest.

[B]

So much fun. Yes.

[A]

So much fun. That's such an easy problem.

[B]

My cousin used to be with a woman who had a lesbian bar. Well, she's bisexual, but she prefers women. And she used to date an older lady who had a lesbian bar. And I've never been to a lesbian bar. I've only been to gay clubs. But I did want to follow up your point. Lesbian bars do be lesbian based.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

She was very serious about.

[A]

I was going to say, and some.

[B]

Of them are very strict.

[A]

They don't even want straight in there.

[B]

I don't think it was.

[A]

Some of them are like that. They, I mean, they very much probably because. And from what I've heard, lesbian bars, they're. They're not a lot of them. And like the gay men, a lot of the times have more authority and power in the community. And so lesbian spaces.

[B]

Lot of this is the same conversation. Like she was like, no, I was saying this to be like the things that I was. When they were together. Her struggles she was talking about and why she was so passionate about keeping the bar lesbian only was more like, more getting into like the politics of it all. Not necessarily people.

[A]

Yeah, no, it's like, it's a lot of that. Yeah. And it's just like, no, like we want our spaces and we don't want them to be co opted and so I don't remember my point. But.

[B]

No, you were just adding on to mine.

[A]

But I think I had something else to say.

[B]

Shout out to the lesbian bars. I feel like the people who own lesbian bars aren't being. They're very passionate.

[A]

No.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're just trying to keep their space, their spaces Sacred, and that's fine.

[B]

Sacred and safe.

[A]

Same way. I don't want y' all just bringing any old hoot and holler to a space.

[B]

You know, I keep my black space. Black.

[A]

Damn it. I feel like segregation today, segregation tomorrow.

[B]

Segregation always.

[A]

Do you know who said that?

[B]

Was it Bull Connor?

[A]

I don't remember the name, but my dad was telling me. I think it was University of Alabama. The president of the University of Alabama or something. Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever.

[B]

I've heard the voice.

[A]

Yeah. I just say that all the time as a little cheeky fun. You know one thing I love about being black, I can say things that you can't. Whitey.

[B]

You can.

[A]

And it feels fun. Like I can make a segregation joke because we were victims. You're black, nothing for you.

[B]

If you're white, nothing for you.

[A]

Where does that come from again?

[B]

African song.

[A]

I've seen that on Twitter.

[B]

Whitey, Whitey.

[A]

I love being able to say all of our own.

[B]

What's the most blackest thing that you're happy you can say because you're black? Yeah.

[A]

I also put a hard er on if I feel like it.

[B]

Whoa. This has to go on YouTube, so relax. Sorry. I can say that on YouTube.

[A]

I've said it before on this platform.

[B]

I actually enjoy cracker.

[A]

Oh, crack. It is cracking.

[B]

It's so old.

[A]

It's so old.

[B]

It's so. And when I was at my grandma's funeral around so many old, older black people just. I'm like, the way you guys speak is just. It tickles the right part of my brain.

[A]

Yes. And I. I mean, it's funny because when I would say cracker, back in the day, people thought it was so, like, extreme, and I'm like, what y' all don't know is this is so, like, I grew up hearing cracker so casually that it didn't really dawn to me. And I. I wouldn't consider cracker a slur. Let me be very, very specific. It's not a slur. It's just. It's a nickname. But I didn't realize that, like, it was, I guess, risque language until I got older. I'm like, y' all would hate to see my family coming.

[B]

One thing about Southern blacks, they're gonna throw that word around, and that's. That is what they call how I know y' all throw the N word around.

[A]

Hello.

[B]

Because the way.

[A]

Because if we cracking it up, y' all nigging it up.

[B]

You know what's also a word that I like that my daddy and them use broads. And it's.

[A]

They use. That's.

[B]

So they use broads. Like how niggas now use hoes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I have to be honest. I think I probably prefer broads.

[A]

You want to be abroad?

[B]

If you. You want to be abroad or you.

[A]

Want to be a ho?

[B]

How was we talking yesterday when he was like, what, the homeboy who bring the hoes?

[A]

The homeboy with the hoes.

[B]

The hoes. And instead of hoes, it'd be like, the homeboy that bring the bras. The bra. It's like they're both not nice. But I don't know. Ho. Seems like I'm a.

[A]

Every now and then, I catch my dad. He slips into his, like, real old nigga bag, and he'll say, cat.

[B]

Oh, I love the cat. You're not. The thing is that whole.

[A]

I'll be like, nigga, you just. I was like, this cat. Fuck you, old ass black nigga.

[B]

At my granny's funeral, there was, like, my dad's cousins who all came dressed as pimps because, like, Bay Area, like, n culture. And something I like about that specific age group of niggas is they won't let it go. Like, they're not. They're not. They're not gonna slip in and out because they never slipped out like them cats brothers over there.

[A]

My dad to this day calls black folks brother and sister.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, he's very. And he's very serious about it. He's very serious about brother and sister. You know, I was at a job. I said sister. It was a sister walking around. And he says it as. Cause he wants you to know that he's talking about a black lady. He says, sister to let us like, or he'll say cracker. My dad's description is, like, it was a sister who walked in crazy fro. Like, he will literally describe black folks as brother and sister. You know, that nigga was born in 61. You just know it immediately because of the way in which he describes folks. I'm trying to think of some other shit that they say. Yeah, it's so funny, because I'm like, damn, I really be getting that from y'. All. Like, I want to bring some of that shit back. I'm just start saying brother and sister. But I say it, but not in the context. I say, like, sister, like, just as girls, like homegirl. But I do want to start saying brother and sister, as in sister, black.

[B]

Boy, black girl, black brother, hello. You know, rest in peace.

[A]

Everybody's dead.

[B]

It's Too much going on. You guys got to stop dying. I'm so seriously. We need to break it people down.

[A]

Nobody can die for at least a year on. Yeah, some people can.

[B]

The wrong people keep dying and I'll the wrong people. What's some other black sayings?

[A]

Black phrases, black words. There's so many.

[B]

Who did the body? I have to be honest. My grandmother looked beautiful, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

I'm keep talking about it. She literally. I had to pause on crying and was like, who did the body? Duggins. Shout out to Duggins funeral home. Like, dead the fuck. My grandmother was on ice for a month. We're really black.

[A]

She looked beautiful.

[B]

You guys are trying to make me white and I have like, the blackest things going on. Please.

[A]

On ice for a month.

[B]

She was. And I was very concerned. I. I would like dead the. I was kind of scared. But she looked really good. They did that. They did the damn thing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Only thing, I was a little. I don't know why they didn't put gloves on her. Because her hands were black. She's my color. That was the only thing that I was like now. But this. Cuz they wanted to put her rings on her with a bling. Again. I'm be. I'm being. This is not even funny. I know that. That's what happens when you're on ice for a month. Your body changes. But she had a bling on. Girl. Bling bling is mad.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Purr. Big lollipop.

[A]

Gang member.

[B]

Lollipop. So we had the lanyards on. Woo.

[A]

Well, well.

[B]

This has been another episode of Unhinged Immoral. I am Mecca, don't forget. Well, Jamila usually says this. Patreon.

[A]

Ah, yes. Make sure you guys join our Patreon. We have some really, really exciting things coming. We are shooting some new, really exclusive, exclusive content for Patreon. $8 a month. It's not 10, but it ain't 5. Which means you got it. But we ate. And I like to be like, transparent with stuff like that. Only because sometimes people feel like we're just giving you money. We're just giving you money. I want y' all to understand that these are productions, right? The things that we're doing for this podcast is a full production. And because it's a production, we have a production crew that we have to pay. The Patreon is a way that we can pay our staff. We rarely. We actually, I don't even want to give y' all our business. But just know this money goes to a good cause. To pay for our production broke off a ass. So it definitely does help. And we want to increase it so that we can pay everybody well, because one thing we want to do is make sure everyone is pay their fair share. Like, if you do work, you deserve to get paid for it, period. So, yeah, definitely make sure. You guys subscribe to the Patreon. You get other things, too. It's not just. Just for the of it Patreon, you get exclusive content, exclusive episodes that will never air to the main public. So it's like. It's Patreon only, right? You get early access to. As you saw, we had our live studio audience. Live studio audience got the tickets first. They're gonna get first dibs on merch. Anything that. That's new, that's, by the way, sold out.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So anything that we drop, you guys get first dibs on. We're working on having the episodes drop earlier on Patreon, too. So again, if you're on Patreon, you'll have access to the episode before anybody else. So you get your money's worth. For sure. Yeah.

[B]

I got something in my eye.

[A]

Okay. I'm trying to think if we have anything else dropping. We have. We have a few. Because this will be the first episode that drops in all these things. We do have a few interviews lined up.

[B]

We know y' all trying to beat our ass over interviews. Let us interview the people. And we promise, unlike the before, we are filming. And you won't just be inundated with just interviews.

[A]

Yes, you will get a mix. We're gonna blend it here and there. But we do got some interviews on the way that we're excited about. And you're gonna watch them and you're gonna love them, and they were really.

[B]

Really fun to do.

[A]

Really, really good. Like, some of our best work. I fear.

[B]

I would say that last.

[A]

I fear a lot of laughs.

[B]

And y' all know, that's how we measure our work. How much laughter is happening in the situation. We're laughing the whole time.

[A]

Time, Absolutely. So, yeah, that's pretty much all. Oh, also, I guess we can kind of tell them, like, just how the year is going to plan out, so you guys can know.

[B]

Oh, and yeah, we should say this in the rest of the episode.

[A]

Yes. So just so you guys know what to expect, me and Mecca are filming our episodes for the year.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because it's. We're in the last. We're in the last kick of the year, guys. We're literally in the last of the year. So we are filming all of the episodes that we have for the year and then we are going to go on a hiatus in the beginning of the year. You guys will not be our luck. We will re release old episodes for you guys to tap into, but we will be absolutely going on hiatus. Jamila will be getting her boobs done, so I will need to recover from that. You know, I'm giving my mommy makeover. I decided, guys, I won't be getting liposuction anymore because I've been in the gym and I've been seeing that go down on her own. And I'm gonna save a little bit of coin, but I will be getting my tits done in the top of the year, so I will need to recover from that. But also we need to recover from working. We have not taken any time off and so this is going to allow us to really just kind of rest, reset, and jump back in it. So, yeah, you guys are getting fed. Trust and believe. We are doing so much work so that y' all can be fed.

[B]

So, yeah, I don't really have anything to add to that. I told you guys I'm getting an arm lift, but I said that episode ago, so.

[A]

Oh, I do have an announcement. November 14th, if you are in Atlanta, I will be hosting a concert by the title Ladies Night. Jalen. Josie is headlining. And you already know who's going to be opening up. Audie. And if you don't know Audie, you absolutely do. She does the theme song to Unhinged and Immoral and she's also the artist that I managed, so, period. That's going to be really, really fun. I'm very excited about that. It's going to be a really, really dope, amazing show. It's going to be at Center Stage. If you know, you know we made it, y'. All. So make sure y' all get your tickets. They are on sale now. Ticketmaster. Really official. So click the link in my bio. Audi's bio. Jalen bio, everybody. Bio po, Peter, Mayana.

[B]

Everybody shout out to St. Julian.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

We got us some liquor sponsors. I know from the Tucson episode, y'. All. Y ain't got no water. Y' all ain't got no liquor. Y' all ain't got nothing. We've got all the things now. And we've got a tiny ass chair that my ass can't.

[A]

All right, y', all, well, we'll see you next week. Bye.

[B]

Bye.