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- [00:03]
Anna
Class is in session. Hey, everybody, and welcome to Unlearn 16. Class is in session. Today, guys. Today, all the way from Vancouver, I have of TikTok fame, Shameless L. First of all, I'm only going to ever talk. I'm only ever going to call you Shameless L. Just so you know, like, if we meet in person, if we have dinner, you're in my phone. That way. That's it. That's your new name.
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Shameless L
I'm okay with that. You know what? Most people call me Shameless or call me L. That. Shameless L. They're all good.
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Anna
I. I like it. I think it's a great moniker. Can you tell? So everybody who's listening right now, they. I'm sure they know you from TikTok. Can you just give a. A brief description on who you are? How the heck did you blow up on Tick Tock? And what are you. Like, what. What's your focus? Like? What's your passion?
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Shameless L
Um, well, I started the world problems.
- [00:56]
Anna
Too, just at the end.
- [00:58]
Shameless L
Yeah, Okay. I started the same way that most millennials did. It's not a. It's not a, you know, great origin story. You know, lockdown was boring, and somebody had shown me TikTok, I think, just like two weeks before the lockdown. And so there I was, sitting in my house, bored, nothing to do, looking at Tiktoks. And, you know, one day I just thought, I could do that. You know, I could do that. Why not? And so I started making videos and I started making lip syncs, which were awful. And I think I made a few. And then I, like, I showed some friends, and you're kind of like showing them, and they're looking at. And you're like, you know, waiting for their good reaction. And then they're like, oh, yeah, okay. Anyways, what are we gonna do? And you're like, okay.
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Anna
My friends called and asked me if I was okay.
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Shameless L
I know. Yeah. My friends made so much fun of me. They used to call me Talk Talk.
- [01:53]
Anna
Well, it was the lip syncs, because I. I went full in. Shameless. I went full in to the point where I bought guitars. I was performing in public. I was downtown in the middle of the streets doing, you know, Jesse's Got a Gun. It was full out. I. It was all in all, I. We would search out. Anna and I would search out venues and little cool areas where we could do certain songs.
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Shameless L
That's amazing. I did not do any of that. I'm not musically talented, so that was not lip syncing.
- [02:26]
Anna
I don't I'm sorry. Did you think I know how to play the guitar? No, no, no, no, no. I purchased a guitar from Best Buy so I could fake play the guitar.
- [02:35]
Shameless L
Okay. But I wasn't even faking music. I was faking, like, Will Ferrell. And you were singing songs. I wasn't singing. No, I wasn't even fake singing. I know. I can't sing at all. That was not. No. Yeah. But then, anyway, so I. I moved on from that, and I started making, like, content. Like, I was telling stories about my life, and then I hurt somebody really close to me, and I thought, you know what? I'm not going to do that anymore. And so then I switched again, and I started just kind of doing some silly, goofy things and only talking about me.
- [03:13]
Anna
Yeah.
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Shameless L
And then that just kind of took off. There was one day that I drooled over Thor, the lumberjack, and that went super viral. And then everybody just wanted me to be thirsty, so I was.
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Anna
Thirsty. How did you come around to politics then, if you're just drooling over Thor one day?
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Shameless L
Well, if I'm being honest, I. I was bored also, like, how can you do the same joke and drool over men for, you know, before you're like, okay, I've done this.
- [03:47]
Anna
Yeah.
- [03:48]
Shameless L
And so in my personal life, I was. I was heavily invested into the Trump and Kamala election in the U.S. i was watching every minute of. Every minute of it, and I. I was so invested in Kamala, I thought for sure she was gonna win. And when she didn't, I think I cried. Like, I was just. I was so taken back that she didn't win.
- [04:11]
Anna
Cried many times since.
- [04:12]
Shameless L
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so when it came to our election and seeing the similarities between Pierre and Trump, I just honestly felt fucking scared for my life. So I just thought, you know what? I'm gonna do what I can with the voice that I have to. To. To say something, to try to break down politics in a way that's easy to understand for people like me that. That don't get it, you know?
- [04:39]
Anna
Right.
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Shameless L
And so that's what I do. I spend hours researching, and then I get chat. GTP to explain it to me like a 5 year old. And then I explain it to everybody else, and they love it.
- [04:52]
Anna
Yeah, well, I mean, but that is. I mean, that is the brilliance. People ask, what. What's the brilliance of AI? You've just described it. That's the incredible power, actually, of AI if people were using it for good rather than for, you know, I don't know, making Tom Cruise look alikes. I think we could have a real shot at revolution if everybody was using it the way that you are. You know what I'm saying?
- [05:16]
Shameless L
You have to be so careful with it, though. You can't just, like, you can't just research with it, because I started off using it for research and like. Like asking it questions, and lots of times it gets it wrong. So. So then I started doing my own research using, like, the actual, you know, policy websites, government websites, making sure that I had really looked into it. And then when I didn't understand something, that's when I would take it a copy it, put it into chat gtp and get them to explain it back to me so that I really understood it.
- [05:49]
Anna
You're just. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tape. Well, I am taking this, taping this. I'm gonna show all of my students, because you're explaining the perfect way that I talk about using it actually in class. Should. You can use it as a starting point. You could use it as a. As a filler. You cannot use it for the actual thing, because if you use it for the actual thing, it's pulling. It's deriving from the whole Internet. And if the whole Internet isn't completely factual and perfect, and it's not, then how on earth could the AI be factually correct for the most part, so that I think that's a perfect idea. So what was your first politics thing that you did? Was it about Harrison Trump? Was. Did you start talking about, or were you just invested in that point?
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Shameless L
You know, I have a. Such a terrible memory. I'm. I'm not sure I remember what my exact first post was. I'm trying to remember. I think it was Canadian. And I posted. I posted about something. What I do remember is how much hate I got. I got so much hate overnight. And I lost like 7,000 followers right away in the first 12 hours. And I just. I sat back and I was like, whoa. Like, is this what I'm in for? Like, politics? Is this divisive and this angering? I sat down for about three days, and I just. I froze. Like, I didn't know what to do. And I just. I kept listening to Maya Angelou. She's like my. My motivation, my everything. I love. I love her so much. And I just kept listening to what she had to say, and she just said, you know what? If you don't stand for something, you stand for nothing. Your values and your. Your courage are the only thing that will Keep you true to your values. Because if you can't be courageous about your values, your values mean nothing.
- [07:46]
Anna
Wow. So. So you got all. You know, and you don't even remember. I think it's funny. You don't even remember what the video was about, but you got all of this.
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Shameless L
I don't.
- [07:55]
Anna
You know what? There's some power in that. Do you understand how powerful that is? It gave you pause. It made you check yourself. It made you double down on your values and what you think is important. But you're smart enough to go, don't care about what the video was because it doesn't matter. No, the hate you got wasn't about your video. The hate you got was about either one of two things. Their insecurity or their ignorance. Those are the two things you will get hate. For now, a good debate is a good debate. There's lots of people who disagree with me. That's not hate. You can tell me I said something wrong and you can give me other information. That's not what you're talking about. What you're talking about are painfully insecure people who are very, very afraid of losing some element of control. So that's what you're up against. It doesn't even matter what your video was about.
- [08:46]
Shameless L
Well, it was that, but it was also. People were so used to me being silly. Like, they were so used to not having any kind of educational anything from me that it probably blew a lot of people away to see me talk about something passionately that I cared about. You know, and. And they. And there's a lot of people that didn't like it, you know, especially if they didn't like what I had to say or they didn't agree with me. That's when they threw out. You know what? Stick to your dumb videos. Stick to being silly. Stick to not knowing anything, because that's who you really are. You know, stuff like that. Because people take what they know of you and they make that everything, right? But it isn't everything. A lot of us have stuff that we. We do outside of our videos.
- [09:35]
Anna
Well, and everybody does, right? And I. And I. I don't joke. I actually say you got to be careful what you get famous for, because especially on an app like this, within social media, you know, there's. Well, you know, you. You stepped into it. All of a sudden you get all of the. This kind of. This followership. You get all of these accolades. You get all of this attention, and that. That can shift very, very quickly. But funnily enough, they really like you. People tend to really like you in a. In a niche. And I think that actually goes into a lot of the stuff we're going to talk about in a little bit, which is the fact that people like to know what to expect. That's why people like stereotype, you know.
- [10:20]
Shameless L
There'S one thing that I'll say about it, though, is that if you are gonna stay in one small box for the rest of your life, you will be very bored. And I've never, ever been able to stay bored. And the one thing about me that I've. I've realized is that if I'm going to grow as a person, my channel is going to grow with me and everyone else that doesn't like it can get. Because I'm going to do what I want. It's my channel. And I don't give a shit whether you liked my niche before or now or. Or whenever it is. If you don't like it, scroll or block me. But I'm going to do what I want because this is my life.
- [11:01]
Anna
Absolutely.
- [11:02]
Shameless L
My channel. Yeah.
- [11:03]
Anna
And I think. Well, I mean, and you can see by the popularity you have still amassed, I think people will eventually roll to that. What I mean by, by people. People like stereotype and people like boxes because people get complacent in their lives and in their worldviews, and they just want to surround themselves with things they know. And when you enter into, when you put something in front of them that they don't know or that challenges what they used to think, it innately, it immediately takes them aback, makes them feel uncomfortable. And that discomfort can be handled either with rage to get rid of it, or. Or introspection in order to sort of move on with it. And I think that's what we're facing right now, to be perfectly honest. That's what this election. That's what the election in the United States is about. And that's what this election is about. I don't need to talk about people in positions. I don't need to talk about Pierre. I don't need to talk about Mark, to talk about the idea that there's a group of people who just want things to go back the way they were, like they were in 1982. And they have a sense of embedded nostalgia when they rode their bikes until the lights came off and, and their. Just their dad worked or, you know, although all of these things, all of these nostalgic things that they think existed, let's be honest, were dangerous, destructive, and for the most Part trauma ridden anyways. But we have a belief system of what it was. And so you have politicians that are going to play on that, especially, especially in times of insecurity, especially in times of great change. And what the Internet has done, what TikTok has done, what social media does, it really rattles underpinnings real good, you know what I mean? It really, really shakes everybody's stability. And when you shake that stability, some people roll with it and other people want a turtle and they want to go back to what was and what was protected. And that's the battle we're talking about right now. Why do you think he's talking about tariffs from 1913? It doesn't make any sense, right? The good old days of what, segregation? It doesn't make sense. No, right.
- [13:28]
Shameless L
And I think honestly, that is where he wants to take things. I think he wants very much to go back to the old ways. But you know, the one thing that I do want to say about taking that risk and going outside of your niche, because a lot of creators are very scared to do that. My account, while it did have this initial drop, immediately it was 12 hours. And after that 12 hours, it rose. And from one month ago to today, my account on TikTok grew a hundred thousand followers. My account on Instagram grew, grew 160,000 followers. And my account on Facebook grew, I think, 40,000 followers. So while you will suffer that loss and you will, you know, have that initial pushback, when you feel strong about something, go with it. People will support you.
- [14:21]
Anna
And, and it's again, that's not just on social media, guys. These are life lessons. Let it be known, this isn't just about how you are on social media. This is how you are as a person. And if you're not willing to grow and expand and do what you're passionate about, right, if you're not willing to follow those lines, you're not going to grow the way you're supposed to grow. Regardless if it's your follower account. In your own personal life, in your own relationships, in your own job, all of the places, if you're not willing to roll the dice and expand who you are and open up different possibilities of your character, what are we wasting time here for?
- [15:01]
Shameless L
And this is, this has been true again and again in my life. Every time that I've taken a big risk, almost all of my friends and all of my family said, no, don't do it, don't do it. No, that's not. What are you doing? You know, it was Always that question. It was with TikTok, it was with my first business. And I've turned those around and actually made myself quite successful doing them and ignoring those. It's one thing to listen. I always listen and I always hear them out. But in the end, I do what I want to do.
- [15:32]
Anna
Absolutely. But that's huge. That's abs. That, that's massive. Right. And I really think the way that you're attacking politics now, you know, and, and we had a time to chat a little bit on a live. But the way that you're attacking politics and you're being incredibly open and honest about the fact, listen, this isn't my wheelhouse. This isn't my wheelhouse. It wasn't my wheelhouse. It needs to be. And this is how I'm going to attack it and this is what I'm going to learn and then I'm going to share it. I mean, what. And I really want to get at this because probably my biggest level of frustration is the 90. It's not the people that voted for Trump. It's not the people that maybe voted for Doug Ford. It's the majority who waited and sat at home and didn't vote at all. It's the majority who said, this isn't for me, I'm not into it, I don't understand it, I don't like it, I don't think I have an impact in it, so I'm not going to worry about it and I'm going to abdicate that responsibility. Those are the people where I'm like, what? What are we doing? Why are we doing that? And you did the opposite. Why do you think you did the opposite?
- [16:46]
Shameless L
I mean, honestly, those people are my entire goal. My goal is to make politics bite sized, to make it easier to explain it in a way that makes it palatable and entertaining for people like me. Because until this year, I have never voted. The first vote that I've ever placed was for Mark Carney in the liberal leadership race. And I have never once voted in a federal or provincial or municipal election.
- [17:15]
Anna
And it was Trump and Harris. Is that what shook you awake? That was it, yeah.
- [17:21]
Shameless L
And it was the fear. I think, you know, until this, I have always taken our freedom and our safety for granted. And this was the first time that I thought, oh, my God, like, we're literally pedaling backwards. And there's no way that I am willing to go backwards sitting quiet. And the other thing I think that spurred me on was the deportations in the US Because I have many Immigrant friends, many, many that are still in the middle of getting their permanent residency. And I just watched all of these immigrants in the States be deported and sent to places that aren't even their country to prison, not even their homes.
- [18:04]
Anna
Yeah.
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Shameless L
And they're not criminals. You know, some are, but there's some that aren't. And I just thought if that happened in Canada, I would never be able to look my friends in the eye and say that somebody with a voice, with my platform just didn't do anything. I just. I just could not. So it was. It was the fear of. Of pedaling backwards and going back in time to a place that I don't want to be, and. And. And then just the fear of seeing these kind of deportations and. And horrible things happening to immigrants in Canada.
- [18:42]
Anna
I think the moment Roe versus Wade was overturned, I remember when that was going to the Supreme Court for the, whatever, seventh time or whatever, Anna asked me, she's like, do you really think. I'm like, no, there's no way. It's not going to be overturned. It's a. It's never going to be. And my confidence, my overdeveloped sense of confidence in. In the judicial system, in the rule of law, in precedent, was just like, oh, oh, no. Did they just quote the Bible in order to justify? Did they. Is that in the ruling? And then I stepped back and went, oh, no, that can happen. So I think it was that moment, not Trump's election, not the deportations. But I think it was in that moment I realized that nothing is sacrosanct. Nothing can be forever protective if we're not willing to protect it.
- [19:35]
Shameless L
No, we have to actually stand up for sure. Sorry about my sneeze. Thanks so much.
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Anna
I didn't even hear you sneeze.
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Shameless L
Oh, you didn't? Oh, okay.
- [19:43]
Anna
I'm sorry. You're gonna have to sneeze again. Is it one of those weird sneeze.
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Shameless L
I'm sorry, I thought you see me.
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Anna
Like, what. What's your sneeze situation?
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Shameless L
Yeah, that. I don't have a loud sneeze.
- [19:58]
Anna
You should let it out. I don't even. I didn't even know you pleased.
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Shameless L
Okay.
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Anna
I was talking and I wasn't looking, so I didn't see you sneeze. I'll have to play that back next time.
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Shameless L
I'll try to aim for, you know, snot all over the screen.
- [20:11]
Anna
Yeah, I. I have a friend who holds it in, like, sneezes, but I think is going to have an aneurysm. I'm like, what are we doing here? Sneeze.
- [20:21]
Shameless L
Oh, God. Yeah. You know, I think there was one friend that actually, she had said something to me that was. It wasn't actually in relation to politics, but I relate it so much to, you know, the fear that women especially go through when they're wanting to talk about these things. And that is bicycle face. Bicycle face was something that was invented by men back when the bicycle came out in the 1800s. And when the bicycle came out, it was the first time that women could actually leave the house without a man to escort them, without them to drive them. So women could now meet and have women's suffrage meetings. They could meet and get together and do things on their own. And it was a first for them. And what happened was men started to realize that this was very threatening because women could do these things and they could go and have these. We. These meetings on their own. And so what happened was they invented bicycle face. And bicycle face was characterized by sweating, hard, clenched jaw, you know, out of breath. Right. So basically all of the basic symptoms that happen when you're being active and hard, flushed cheeks. And they said that this was very unattractive. And they posted about it in the papers. They posted about bicycle face and that women needed to not ride bicycles anymore and they needed to get back in the kitchen. And of course, women fought back against this. But the thing is, is that now in today's world, we often are the ones telling ourselves that we have bicycle face. We're telling us to sit down, we're not being strong and we're not fighting back against these things. But this is what happened. This is absolutely true. You can go and look it up and there's a wonderful.
- [22:20]
Anna
Did you do this? Tick tock already. Did you do it?
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
This is the best. This is the best thing ever. I've never heard of this a day of my life. I'm going to talk about tomorrow at school. Bicycle face.
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Shameless L
Bicycle face.
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Anna
When in. In Olympic time, when women wanted to be ski jumpers, the doctors told them they couldn't be ski jumpers. You know, like those big long ski jumpers, you know, where they're in the air for however long.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
Because they said when they landed, their uteruses were going to fall out.
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Shameless L
Oh, my God. These kind of things happen over and over again in, in society. And this is why we cannot go back. We cannot go back to days when women were supposed to just sit in the kitchen and sit silently and smile with their partner and. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's wild, the things that used to happen that we don't even know of.
- [23:11]
Anna
Well, and I mean, I used to feel as though, you know, when people would talk about, you know, this sort of regression of women's rights and all of this kind of stuff. And now you look around at who makes up his cabinet and who has the top podcasts in the conservative world and the kind of ideals that they're promoting and pursuing and saying with their full chest as women, by the way, stand right behind them and clap as they talk louder and louder and louder. It's astounding how quickly things can recede if you allow them. It truly is.
- [23:52]
Shameless L
Yeah. And I'll tell you guys, and this is for your viewers as well, because if anybody's like me and wanted to go and see the breakdown under every different critical area, like housing, workers, unions, health care, gender rights, LGBTQ rights, reproductive rights, I have done a full breakdown. I worked for 5, 6 hours today on breaking everything down into a palatable slide that you can go and look at each section of a comparison between the Liberals and the Conservative government and Mark Carney specifically and Pierre Poliev specifically. And the one thing that I will say that I had to call a couple friends on that I found very, very interesting is that you can go. So there is two websites for there's one for Mark Carney and then there's one for the Liberal Party. So if you go to Mark Carney ca on his website, right on the homepage is all of his plans. It'll say healthcare plan, housing plan, all of those. And they're all clickable links that you can go and see a very detailed description of what his plan is on, how he's going to run on these things. And then I looked for a website for Pierre Poliev. There is not one. So the only website that there is is the Conservative website. And then they have a section on Pierre Paliev. And then I looked everywhere for his plans. I could not find any plans. I searched over and over and over again. And then finally I have a discord with a bunch of political creators. And I messaged them all and I said, is there plans for Pierre Poliev somewhere on this website? I cannot find anything. And they said, no, there is no plans. There is no plans whatsoever from Pierre Poliev. So the only thing that I could go on were statements. And there's a section on the Conservative website that say statements. And these are from his speeches that he's done over the years. And in there, it's Literally. And this is no lie. It is like a full page of just the liberal decade. The Carney Trudeau liberals, the liberal liberal, and then like two lines of we're going to axe the tax. And this is not to be hateful towards the Conservative Party. This is just the literal truth. They do not have any plans put out whatsoever. All they have is one or two line statements on stuff they're going to do with very, very little in the way of details on how they're going to do it. And that was very telling for me. But if anybody wants to see those slides, they can go to my page on Instagram or on TikTok. And I've put them all there. You guys can go and screenshot them and look at the differences between them. And I've broke it down really like as best I can.
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Anna
Fantastic. I just, yeah, I did a very long podcast today with Stacy Green talking about different platforms and, and what everybody's saying and the reality, and this has always been the reality of conservatives and except, I mean, Brian Mulroney's, if we're going to go further back. Brian Mulroney's conservatives were very different, but I find the conservatives tend to talk specifically about money. That's what they talk about. And, and I was saying this to somebody the other day, I said, there's two kinds of people in politics and I really believe this to be true. You have an individ things, a balanced economy. And a healthy economy is going to eventually produce a just society. And then you have individuals who believe you have to have a just society in order to produce a sustainable balanced economy. That has to come first. And those are your two different components. Right. I would argue, obviously the left leans to the, to the ladder and the, the conservatives lead to the former problem is, and I've said this time and time again, running a country isn't running a business. It's not the same. The comparison is flawed. You do not run a country. Technically, if you were running a country or if running a business like a country, you would try to save all the people failing in your company. That would be your primary job. Your primary job would be figure, how do you make everybody succeed and how do you take care of people that haven't? No company is doing that. The job of a government is to take care of the society, is to have an economic plan in order to do so. You're not making widgets. You're not looking for a bottom line. You're not looking for a profit margin. To be honest, you're not looking for profits at all because it, it's like a, it should be at the very least an NGO or at the very best. Right. You should be taking every dollar that you make and putting it back into the thing to make it greater. Nobody should be walking away with a dividend. So the, the idea of running a country like a business breaks my head. First of all, I hate it when people talk like that. I hate it when people make those ridiculous comparisons. And then all you're going to get from that party will be economic platitudes. That's it. They have no social justice, nothing. And if you go on his website, you see nothing.
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Shameless L
Yeah. And there's a lot of people that will come back and quote, well, he has this in the policy. He has this in the policy. But that's the one thing that you need to understand the difference between. Because you will find policy declarations on the Conservative website, but you will also find those on the Liberal website. What you won't find on the Conservative website is a plan. And that is very different from policy. Because policy is basically something that. Exactly. Policy is the values and the policies that the political party has voted on as a whole. But it is not the plans that that candidate intends to run on for the next four years. And that is your difference.
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Anna
That's insane. Can I ask, you've talked a lot about Liberals and Conservative Party. Have you looked into the NDP at all?
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Shameless L
No, because I don't think that they're going to make any headway.
- [30:20]
Anna
You're just like, listen, I'm looking in the two top front runners and that's all you're doing five hours a day. So all I have time for, I.
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Shameless L
Had quite a few people ask me, where's the NDPs, where's the green Party? The truth is they don't have a chance. They do not have a chance of becoming Prime Minister. They may gain seats, but they will not have any chance unless there is a massive turn of events. They are sitting at 6% and 3%. And so why did I not break them down? Because I'm not concerned about them. And also I don't have another five hours to dedicate to going and trying. This is it.
- [31:00]
Anna
I think what's interesting and just to talk about it sort of as a reflection on the Canadian system, what's interesting about our system that the Americans don't have is because we have a multi party system and in Canada, for those listening who aren't Canadian, we have the Conservative Party, Liberal Party, ndp, Green Party and The block. Ibequa. There are five major, and I use that term loosely for the Greens in the block, but there, there are five major national parties.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
Now the, the reason why though I still want to talk about those five is because four of those policy parties are left leaning.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
The block, the Green, the NDP and the Liberal are all left leaning parties. The reason why that's so fascinating is because these four parties historically have been splitting the vote of the left. Whereas the Conservatives can sit comfortably unless you're talking about the Reform era and the alliance era because there was little splinter cells in the Reform, in the Conservative party as well. But they can sit and they can watch us splinter off the boat. So a lot of people are talking about why is Jug Meat and why is the NDP losing like they are? They're losing a lot in the polls and everybody thinks it's because he's done something wrong. I don't believe that's the case. I don't. By the way, a lot of the things the Liberals that are on the Liberal agenda, like dental care, like pharmacare, like $10 a day daycare, feeding, those are all NDP platforms. Make no mistake, they were NDP platforms while they were running a minority government and the NDP could push those pretty hard. Right. However, people are seeing exactly what you're seeing. This is a two horse race and it needs to be a two horse race because if we split our vote and we vote maybe with a party that we like, like maybe I do align more with the NDP or the Green, I'm just wasting my vote and I'm not giving the best chance to Mark Carney and the Liberals to beat Pierre Poliev.
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Shameless L
May I say though, this is really where strategic voting comes. Because if you are in a writing and you can find your writing by going on to. I'm going to do a little plug here. Smart voting ca. If you go on to Smart voting CA and you go into your writing, you will see who has the best chance to win and so the top two. So if it's Conservative and NDP then it does not make sense to vote for the Liberals. It doesn't make sense in that it makes sense to vote for NDP or if it's Green Party, it makes sense to vote for Green Party. But you go in and you look and you see who has the best chance to win against the Conservatives and you vote for them and so go to smart voting ca. Because we do need to. I really think we need to vote more strategically because splitting our vote and putting our eggs into four different baskets when conservatives are putting their, their eggs into one means that we are going to keep losing. In writings where we really shouldn't. In writings where when you put all of them together, when you put all those four baskets together, we are the majority. So we should not lose.
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Anna
The conservatives would never win if not for the division of those parties. Not in Canada anyways. We're a progressive country.
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Shameless L
Except for maybe in Alberta.
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Anna
Here's my question. Well, that one time Brian Mulroney really took the case. He took a lot of seats. Do you think that. But he was a Red Tory by the way. Let's not forget he was, he was a left leaning conservative that tried to put indigenous rights in the Constitution, workers rights in the Constitution and elected Senate in the Constitution. I don't even know if he was a conservative. I think he, well, he was a progressive conservative. I think he was a secret liberal. But we, we need people like this. Do. What's that?
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Shameless L
We need people like this though. We need left leaning conservatives and we need right leaning liberals, which I would argue that Mark Carney is 100%.
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Anna
Mark Carney is a right Mark Carney. If, if Brian Mulroney's conservatives PCs were, were in the House, Mark Carney, that's where he would be sitting.
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Shameless L
And, and the reason why I say that is because we need somebody that is going to address the concerns of the whole of, of the majority of all the people. Not just the concerns of the left, not just the concerns of the right. We need some that is going to be concerned about housing and health care and all of these things that you know, the, the conservatives are talking about and, and taxes. And that is a concern. It is, it is a huge concern. But we still from, for me, rights come first. We need, everyone in this country needs to have their rights protected.
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Anna
Funny. Funnily enough, I'm not going over all the parties, all of them. Nobody's really talking about that in a significant way. Nobody's prioritizing that. And I find that interesting. I think that's a bit reflexive of, of what's going on down south. Do you think that, do you think that polls are anti Democratic? Do you understand what I mean by that? Do you think that by us having such significant polling, you know, here's where they are, here's where the, even the strategy, even the, the strategy. I understand the reason for strategic voting, the reason for all of it. I get it.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
But do you think by telling people that the conservatives are way in the lead or whoever doesn't matter. It is somehow informing and manipulating and shaping the way or even if people are going to get out to vote.
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Shameless L
In some ways, yes. Because this is the same way that whenever pressure is put on, people perform. Right? When there's no pressure, people don't perform. And this is statistic that, that goes through, through so many different facets that people perform when they are under pressure. So when people start to see like, holy shit, we might actually lose this, oh my God, this is, you know, now they're talking to their friends, now they're trying to get their mom that doesn't vote. Now they're trying to get people to vote that actually want to, to keep things to the left. Right, so. Well, I can agree with you in some aspect or I don't even know if that's what you're, you're saying or you're just posing the question.
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Anna
Either way. Yeah, Yeah.
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Shameless L
I still think that everybody still has a choice to make, Right? Like whether, whether that's being put out there or not, it does not, it does not take away anyone's ability to vote in the way they want to vote. If they want to be strategic, if they want to want to vote strategically, that does not change their, their ability to vote how they want. It's, it's a choice that they've made which is democratic.
- [37:56]
Anna
I just, I, I mean, I guess part of me is thinking more of Ontario's election. I don't know how, how much you know about Ontario. We just had our, our premier reelected. Only 43% voted. And, and the reality was when you have, when you have 57% of the population not voting yet, sure, it was winter and maybe they didn't want to go out or, or they thought, well, he's going to win. So all the polls say he's going to win, so I'm not going to bother. And in the same way, it's kind of what happens. And you should understand this. Being in bc, you guys know the election's already been called way before it gets out to you guys. And actually those polls close because you've already seen the wave. You've already seen what's happened, you know, in, in earlier polls, in earlier time zones. So when it gets to Alberta and bc, you're like, what, what's the point? We know which we, we know which way the wind's blowing now. We, we have no control over that. And I feel as though, and it might be symbolic, but I feel as though that kind of, of Democratic disempowerment or, or Creating the, the quite the real conclusion that your vote doesn't matter at that point has got to pull people out of caring or out of feeling like they have a say or a, or an idea, a game in the, you know, a card in the game at all.
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Shameless L
But I would, I would argue that that is a mint, that is a mentality, because that mentality exists regardless of polling, regardless of anything else. There is people out there like me that truly thinks my voice matters, my, my vote matters. And then there's people that just don't think they matter at all, which is who I was a year ago. And it is a mentality. And on top of that, I would just say, like, I, I think having an option to look at the situation and look at where we're, where the left is putting into four baskets and the right is putting to one, I would say that's undemocratic. That is a situation where we are really in a position to fail.
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Anna
What would your answer be for that?
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Shameless L
It would be rated ballots.
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Anna
Ranked.
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Shameless L
Ranked ballot. Sorry.
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Anna
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Shameless L
That's what I want to see. That is the one thing that I really think the, the Trudeau government really let us down on. We need.
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Anna
And he says it's his failure. He says ranked ballot, not changing the electoral system and not putting an elected Senate, he says are his two biggest failures. He admits that.
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Shameless L
And I really liked Justin Trudeau, but that part really, it let us, a lot of us down because if we cannot get the party that we want, we should be able to have a say that our vote doesn't go just un. Thrown away. We should be able to put our vote to the party that we, we would prefer next.
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Anna
I, I do think that, yeah, I, 100%. I think that that kind of rank ballot makes sense for the way that our government is structured for anybody who's listening, who doesn't quite understand what we're talking about. So obviously in the United States, you have two parties on the ballot. I know occasionally you'll have an independent, but for the most part just two parties. Whereas in Canada, like I said, let's say in any given riding, you could have five parties on that particular ballot. So rather than just putting who you want to win, putting the X beside you will rank them. Who do you want to come first, second, third, fourth, fifth. So that on average when that all gets played out and when all those numbers get calculated, we're left with a more clear picture of what Canada wants as opposed to what they really don't want. So, so the Extremes of, of the left, probably, or the extremes of the right, those will never exist and we'll end up with something in the middle. I think that's what ranked ballots is trying to get at. And I think it would do in our kind of system. It would do a really good job of. You would just want to sort of limit how many parties were eligible parties to be on that ballot in the first place, because otherwise, I mean, you could get into some craziness about how many parties you had to rank.
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Shameless L
Yeah. You know, and then basically what happens when you do that is so say in your writing, you vote on these candidates. If one of those parties does not reach past 50%, then what happens is they take the party that has the least amount of votes, they get rid of that off, and that all of those votes will, then their second choice will go to the next party. And if somebody doesn't reach 50%, then, then they cut off the, the next party with the least amount of votes and their votes get distributed to their next favorite part.
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Anna
So as you guys. Yeah, so as you guys can see, it's kind of like. And again, for the Americans listening, it's the difference between the popular vote and the electoral college vote is a similar difference, not the same than between the popular vote in Canada and how many ridings a particular government or a particular party win. So I could, if, if, if Shameless and I were running in opposite ridings and I win my riding by 90%, she wins her riding by 52%, we still get the exact same seat in the House of Commons. So the fact that 40 more percent of the people voted for me doesn't matter.
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Shameless L
It doesn't matter to have 40 more percent. Why wasn't I the one that had.
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Anna
On your show? You can win the writing.
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Shameless L
Okay, fine.
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Anna
All right, but, and so there's, there's a flaw in that system where we're talking about we were supposed to have representation by population, but, but when the popular vote doesn't necessarily equate to the power that's one, we no longer have representation by population. We have a version of that, but it's definitely not perfected. And I think that we should be working towards. We've, we, we've had these electoral systems for, for, you know, hundreds of years. We really should be working towards refining them to make them more reflective and more democratically clear than they were, you know, 150 years ago. I think it's about time.
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Shameless L
And can I just say, like, the, there's a really good example And I fucking can't remember for the life of me what riding it is, is in. But there's a writing in Canada right now that the conservatives are at 30% and the NDP, the Green and the Liberals are all rated about 21. And so when you add those together, the craziness is that if the polls are correct, if nothing changes, the Conservative will get that seat at 30% even though 63% voted otherwise and don't want it. And so that's where I say these ranked ballots need to come in. And that's where I say that having four parties for left leaning people is undemocratic. That's our choice, sets us up for failure.
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Anna
That's the left's choice.
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Shameless L
It is.
- [45:36]
Anna
The right has just figured out how to simplify and consolidate.
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Shameless L
It is. But this is where we need to change something. This is where something has to give because we are working against ourselves.
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Anna
So if, if you are going to talk about what's coming up right now, what would be your top priority? Like somebody's going to say, okay, the election's coming up. What do you think? Forget the candidate for a second. But what do you think the top priority of the federal government should be? One thing, just one. That's all you get.
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Shameless L
The top priority has to be Donald Trump and our, our sovereignty.
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Anna
So foreign policy and terrorists.
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Shameless L
Yeah, I think that is the number one concern amongst Canadians. It has been pulled that, that's the number one concern. There's so many other concerns. But you only gave me one and so that's what I would have to go on. Yeah, I, I, I, economy as well.
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Anna
We need to figure out how to. Well, the economy is tied with that. I think that's what I mean, like, yeah, those two things go hand in hand. So you would say, you would look at like somebody's tariff policy with how they're going to deal with the tariffs and how they're going to deal with that. I'm assuming you also want to look at how they're going to diversify other economic revenues from Canada, let's say in the EU or other countries, and something where they're really still not talking about it enough, in my opinion, which is how do we bring down interprovincial trade barriers and tariffs between provinces.
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Shameless L
So actually they both put up statements about that and it is in their plan.
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Anna
I just don't like their policies. They, they're not as good for me. You know what I mean?
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Shameless L
Oh, I gotcha. Okay, well, we want to bring that down.
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Anna
Whoa, whoa, whoa. What first of all, and I've been talking politics, what trade barriers? What are we doing?
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Shameless L
There's a lot of trade barriers, but.
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Anna
I mean, not facetiously like, how in the heck do we have limitations on what we can trade with each other that are greater from what we can trade with the United States States? Why on earth are our energy resources going north, south? What are we doing? What have we ever been doing?
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Shameless L
I mean, so I did look into this and I do understand why some of them exist. Like they, they need to get rid of them. I'm not for keeping all of these things, but the reason why a lot of these trade barriers exist is because a lot of these provinces are trying to protect their local companies, their small, you know, local companies that cannot survive when they are having huge competition from massive companies. It's the same way as when, you know, Canadian Tire comes to town or Walmart comes to town and these small mom and pop shops go out of business. That is, you know, what they're fighting against in some cases. And then in other cases it's just the differences between our laws, between our driving laws, between our, you know, alcohol.
- [48:41]
Anna
Yeah, yeah. See, I, I would argue that we need to have more national laws in order to protect, specifically protect within Canada small mom and pop stores so that those big companies can't come in, including, by the way, because if we don't have these universally accepted laws, you can pretend as though you're going to protect against Canadian Tire, but guess you're not protecting against Walmart. What you've done is you've insulated yourself against Canadian Tire, but not Home Depot. You're going to get picked off one by one. I guess that's my bigger statement. My bigger statement is as soon as the country was opened up to free trade, as soon as free trade was on the table in any way, shape or form, and we started talking about North American free trade agreements and all of this stuff changing. All of that should have been gone because they are going to get bought out, they are going to get usurped and they're going to get it done by these big companies coming from the United States. You see what I'm saying? It's like, who are you going to sell out to?
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Shameless L
Yeah, this is, this is true. I think it's definitely a big barrier and it needs to go away, it needs to be removed. We need to make some huge differences, changes in the economy. And for me, I think this is why I'm voting for Mark Carney is because, I mean, not only is He, a globally recognized banker and economist. He. He is world renowned. There's. There's really very few in the world that could possibly be better than he is. He knows what he's doing. And the way that he approached Donald Trump is something that took me a long time to learn. Dealing with narcissists, is that if you don't put those boundaries in place and demand respect, at minimum, they will take everything they can, and they will never respect you unless you demand that they do in order to have access to you. And what did we see? It was two or three weeks, and Donald Trump was calling.
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Anna
All of a sudden, he called them Prime Minister Carney. Oh.
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Shameless L
And I think this is where Mark Carney has more than called his number. You know, as a banker, as a businessman, I think he's looked at him and he's like, no, this is the only way that I will gain any kind of respect from this person and be able to have any kind of seat at the table when it comes to negotiating. And I don't think Pierre would have done this. I think Pierre would have absolutely sucked up to him.
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Anna
No, no, no, no, no.
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Shameless L
He would have lost all of his credibility.
- [51:22]
Anna
Yeah, absolutely. But on the Mark Carney front, what do you think about him eliminating those? I don't know if you've looked into this, but he's eliminated cabinet positions I did that are primarily focused on women and indigenous, you know, So I actually.
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Shameless L
Wouldn'T say that that's necessarily true from what I looked into, and maybe I'm missing something, but I looked into it quite extensively because I was very frustrated about that. And on the outside, it looks like, okay, what the hell is he doing? So, number one, because he did make.
- [51:52]
Anna
His cabinet smaller for those.
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Shameless L
So he took his cabinet and he made it very small. And this doesn't surprise me that he made it small and that he. He put these positions. So he didn't really just eliminate these positions. He put two or three positions into one to make it a smaller cabinet. And. And then. And really the same. For the same reason that I said Donald Trump and our sovereignty is because those are the things that are really coming first right now. Canadians want to feel safe. Canadians want to know that our country is safe and that we're not going to be invaded by America, that we're not going to become America. And so I think Mark Carney is looking at the things that are priorities for Canadians right now. But I'm not concerned about. He's. He's taken a strong stance on reproductive rights. He is all for abortion. He has a daughter, which I don't want to speak about too much, that is trans. And he supported her changing, you know, changing that. And then also he is actually a very huge woman's advocate. So if you look at his work in the private sector, he has advocated for women's rights again and again and again. And I laid this out in those slides that I told you about that are on my account. So if anybody wants to go and look at those. He has been a strong woman's advocate. I think right now he's just very practical and he's saying this is what's important. And so I'm narrowing down these positions into just a few and we're going to focus on what's important. And when we get that done, then we can talk about other things.
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Anna
And I think. Well, I mean, he's also a physical concern. I mean, he is very fully conservative. There's no question about it. Just so everybody understands, cabinet post gets paid more. So we all understand, like if you have a cabinet position, that the, the money goes up. So they're also there. There's that in and of itself. Right, yeah, I understand what you're saying. I don't think, Look, I think there could have been a way because I think we're battling a bit of a cultural war here too. So I would have preferred a bit more of a statement. Not, not, you know, getting rid of all of them off the, off the hop. If you're going to amalgamate some, that's great. You should have kept at least one, in my opinion, because it's. When we talk about our culture and our identity and keeping. We're not just talking about physically being invaded here. We're talking about the, the, the gradual insinuation of, you know, 1957 culture seeping into our very existence. And the way we're going to stop that isn't just by a few key statements and past behaviors. It's by making clear statements that this is something that is vital to who we are as a people. And I just, I would have preferred that a little bit. But I do know that he's a right wing liberal.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
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Anna
And in a different circumstance, he'd be sitting on the other side of the fence. Not to mean, by the way, again, lots, there's lots of socially con, sorry, fiscally conservative, socially liberal leaders who balance the two quite well. As we've already spoken about Brian Mulroney, not his son, obviously, but Brian Mulroney.
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Shameless L
I will say, though, this man and I think you can tell from his speeches because I don't know if you've ever seen anybody say more than Mark Carney. It's so much. He's not, he's not, he's not a great speaker. But here's what I'll say about him.
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Anna
I'm giving, but it's hard.
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Shameless L
I am giving Mark Carney a minute. This man has just came into being in the public eye 24 7. And even just being a content creator, the tiny amount that I have that, and I live in a small town, like, I don't, I don't get like, noticed often, the tiny amount that I have, that can be overwhelming sometimes. And, and for him, it's a very new position. So I'm going to try to give him the benefit of the doubt because that's who I am, that he just isn't used to having to explain everything that he does. And I think he's maybe doing things without realizing that people need to know why. We need to know why you're doing these things.
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Anna
And I think he's expected, you know, we expect from intelligent men and women who run this country to explain it well and clearly and, and sort of on a basic level. And I don't think he's had to speak about economics on a basic level in a very long time, if ever. I think he's always been surrounded by people who are in that discipline, who are in that, you know, who have, who have grown in that academic arena. So to be able to explain. And I don't think he's doing a bad job. No, My, my only bottom line a little bit is I am looking to be inspired. And I think when I, when I think about why 90 million people stayed at home and 57% of Ontario stayed at home, I think it's part and parcel because of, you know, they feel ineffectual, they feel marginalized, they feel unheard. All of those things are true. But I still think there's a minute there's a part of us that wants to be inspired, that is looking to our political leaders to lead. You know, when, when you hear. And as many mistakes as I can point out that Obama made when that man spoke, you were all in, right? You were all in.
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Shameless L
That speech maker, though, I gotta say, though, like, the ability to give a fantastic speech doesn't necessarily equate to a prime minister that is the best. In Barack Obama's case, I would say it did.
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Anna
It's true. But in this era, I would have agreed with you when Lincoln was president, I would have agreed with you when Diefenbaker was president. I don't necessarily agree now because inspiring and leading and how much access we have to these leaders, you're going to have to figure it out.
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Shameless L
I agree with that, though. I do agree with that. I just think he needs a minute. I think he needs a minute. I do. I. You know, everybody's gotta, like, shake off those, you know, the dust and get into it. I'm. I'm a Poland farm.
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Anna
I prefer all politicians to stop reading from speeches. Stop it. I prefer the teleprompter to go away. I prefer every politician who is going to run to actually face intelligent media questions and be forced to answer them before they get down and not. Not deflect. That's what I would prefer.
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Shameless L
I want to see that at the debate. And I just want someone. I'll fucking do. I'll say this to you guys right now. I'll come to that debate in Montreal and I'll just point out every time they don't fucking answer the question. Answer the question.
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Anna
And we don't have. We no longer have. We no longer have an empowered, fully functional media that's capable of doing that. Instead, we have potential prime ministerial candidates kicking reporters off the bus because he doesn't want to have to answer any questions at all.
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Shameless L
Not only, by the way.
- [59:26]
Anna
Well, they weren't answering it anyway.
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Shameless L
Yeah.
- [59:30]
Anna
You know, everybody's worried about the AP getting kicked out of what, the White House? Who cares? What do they say anyway? What do they say there? What are you reporting on? Does she say anything but just parroting what Trump just said? Nope.
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Shameless L
But it's, you know what it is, Reporters, questions that make people think twice. So whether they respond well or not, whether they deflect or not, it now puts that question in people's heads. So it is very important what a reporter does. And Pierre Poliev is now, from what I've heard, I haven't confirmed this, he is vetting their questions. So not is he picking the reporters that can come. He's vetting their questions. But I will also say, to be fair, Mark Carney has kicked a few reporters out of his conferences as well, and some of them were very rude. So I kind of don't blame him. But he is as well, to be fair.
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Anna
Well, it's interesting. We've really created a breadth of what a reporter is, too. Right. We've created a wide range of what reporter is, what an investigative journalist is, what, you know, there's a big difference between Somebody finding conspiracy theories online and asking that question. That's not necessarily. But I, I still need, here's what I need out of my leaders. I need my leader to be able to handle them the way I would handle a little kid in class that was doing it for jokes. You have to figure if you can't handle that little kid in that media outlet, from the stupid question they're asking, you don't know how to quickly put them in their place and then focus on somebody else. You think you can handle Putin, you think you can handle Trump? You think you could. You have to have that skill set. I truly believe it. This is no longer the time where you can have a fireside chat over the radio. We're way past that.
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Shameless L
While we're on this topic, let's talk about cbc. Because that has been such a Canadian for so long and now we are risking, if Pierre wins, we will lose the cbc. He has promised this. He has promised that he's going to defund the cbc and if Mark Carney wins, he's actually going to boost the CBC with $150 million funding for them. So this is, this is a huge statement that are both on opposite sides of the spectrum. And I mean, for me, I love the cbc and I, I know it is probably more left leaning, but also it's, I think that it is very factual as well.
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Anna
I'm also, and I've taken up like an hour of your time, so I do want to wrap up, but I also want to point this out. I am exhausted at trying to be balanced rather than objectively true in reporting. I am not giving equal time to the guy who thinks the earth is flat than I am giving to Neil DeGrasse Tyson. That's not objective journalism. That's not even journalism at all. Fair and balanced journalism doesn't mean equal time for stupid ideas. Fair and balanced journalism means allowing, call it like backed up, points to be debated in a healthy way. If you want to talk that, that you know, the vaccine gave your kid ought to, you're going to have to go somewhere else worry. We don't have time for that. That has been debunked and disproven. All ideas are not equal. They don't get equal play time, period. And the reason why the CBC is left leaning is because conservatives have been blaming hurricanes on gay people. So guess what? We don't get to talk about that. We're not talking about stupid here. Stupid doesn't get equal balance. All I'm saying.
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Shameless L
You're killing me.
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Anna
Over here, that is the truth. They can talk about that on Matt Walsh meets Ben Shapiro meets Andrew Tate. That's where you can talk about.
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Shameless L
I'm so glad we didn't go into Danielle Smith because I just, I could rant for days.
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Anna
There's no point. She's just trying to make. Look, she's the product of a system where we've developed all of our north south dependencies. Right. We've embedded them. And whether I like her politics or not, that's the system she's working with. She's working with that system and half the political parties are saying we will never have an east west line. We won't. So if we don't, she's trying to figure out how her province survives. As much as I disagree with every word that woman says, we've created infrastructure that makes it easy for her to discuss and debate and, and forge alliances southward. That's the way the pipeline rides. Right?
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Shameless L
I mean, that's a, that's a very interesting point.
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Anna
We did that. Now, we did that under the auspice. We never thought we were going to get screwed by it. I get it. And the United States is still making so much more money off us by taking our crude oil, refining it and then reselling it to us. They're making bank off that. But the minute they're going to try to squeeze that, manipulate that, we really are in a bad spot because we have nothing going east west.
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Shameless L
Yeah. And I mean on, on the plus side, both parties have committed to doing an east west pipeline. So that's good.
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Anna
Has the. I, I don't think so. I don't think that Conservatives have the ndp. Everybody's saying no because Quebec says no.
- [65:21]
Shameless L
The. So far, Mark Kearney and both, both Mark Carney and Pierre have committed to doing an east west pipeline.
- [65:28]
Anna
He's not an east west pipeline. East west electrical grid, from what I understand, an east west pipeline would die in Quebec because Quebec says it's not going through our province.
- [65:39]
Shameless L
Oh, I don't know. That's a.
- [65:41]
Anna
This is more research. An east west electrical grid is different because right now, again, a lot of that's going north south. Right. So an east west electrical grid is different than an oil pipeline.
- [65:52]
Shameless L
Sorry, I thought we were talking about pipelines.
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Anna
Well, that's what I'm saying. I think the, what they've said yes to is an east west power grid, an east west electrical line electrical grid in order to give power across, but not an east west oil pipeline.
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Shameless L
I'm pretty sure they said an east West Pipeline, but I guess we will have to. We'll have to look it up.
- [66:15]
Anna
Yeah, that's good for part two.
- [66:17]
Shameless L
There you go.
- [66:19]
Anna
Well, thank you so much, Elle. Where can everybody find you before. Before we head off for the evening?
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Shameless L
I'm on. I'm on everything. I'm on YouTube. I'm on TikTok, Instagram and Facebook. You guys can find me in all four places. And that's it. Because I am lazy to put it anywhere else. Shameless. L just Shameless on all platforms. No dots, no dashes, no nothing.
- [66:43]
Anna
Just shameless.
- [66:44]
Shameless L
Just shameless. L, E, L, L, E for. For.
- [66:47]
Anna
There we go. Everyone thinking about if anybody's spelling L any different way?
- [66:53]
Shameless L
No, but people just put L. They just put the letter L. What are.
- [66:58]
Anna
You, one of Elon Musk's kids?
- [67:01]
Shameless L
This is what people do, though. So, you know, and also, some people think that E, L, L, E is Ellie. Lots of people will call me Ellie.
- [67:11]
Anna
I'm gonna need everybody to pull themselves together.
- [67:13]
Shameless L
Yeah.
- [67:14]
Anna
And spell L properly.
- [67:15]
Shameless L
Yeah.
- [67:16]
Anna
And on that note, guys, thank you so much for hanging out with me for an hour. It was amazing. You are awesome. I look forward to maybe having you on again. If you're up for it, we can discuss Pipelines and a whole other series.
- [67:29]
Shameless L
I'd love it.
- [67:30]
Anna
Fantastic.
- [67:30]
Shameless L
Thanks for having me, guys.
- [67:31]
Anna
Thank you so much for listening. I will see you next Tuesday. Same bat time, same bat Channel dismissed.