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A
Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. Yes, I'm wearing the same outfit partially because I've gotten lazy, and secondly because I'm moving. And I think I took these out of a dirty clothes bin. But we have Alexa back on, and y' all may remember her. That's still today. Probably one of my favorite podcasts that we did.
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B
Really?
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A
Yeah.
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B
I'm honored. That was forever ago.
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A
That was forever.
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B
It was, like, two.
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A
Two years ago, was it?
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B
I think it was 20. Maybe it was if it was at the beginning of 2024 or it was at the end of 2023.
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A
That's crazy.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So Alexa Garcia is my publicist and, like, one of my favorite people. How we operate is comical at times. And also I think what's good is there's, like, that trust factor.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I know that, like, you're going to have my back. You're going to. But you deal with some stuff.
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B
Yeah, I do.
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A
You do. But I did want to start off with kind of since it was two years ago. That's crazy. So during all the pardon stuff, when that came out, how you handled that as, like, a publicist friend, how you knew it was like.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I want to know your thoughts on, number one, how you found out the pardons were happening.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then the publicity surrounding it, it was wild.
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B
Well, I mean, you called me, and I was in the sonic drive through, and I was like. It was funny because my boyfriend was in the passenger seat, and, like, I feel like he knows you, even though, like, y' all have never met.
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A
I know. I feel like I love him.
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B
Yeah. He's like. He's always like, how's Savannah doing? But he. So, like, I get the phone, like, you FaceTime me, and I'm just like, I don't cry very often.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So when I cry, it's, like, emotion. Like, true emotion. Yeah. And so I remember also, too, it was funny.
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A
I think, now that you're saying this, you were like, wait, Cody's in the car. Is that okay?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because I was like, is this okay? And I, like, just started cry. Like, I got tears in my eyes, and I was like, shut up. Like, really? Because, I mean, I feel like it's. The whole process was one of those things that, like. And I feel. I. I know if I felt this way. You definitely felt this way of, like, we didn't. It wasn't done until it was done.
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A
Yes.
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B
Like, it wasn't happening until it was happening. So even if, like, you had said, like, it's happening. I didn't believe it until it was actually there. And because I also, as a friend, was like, okay, if this doesn't happen, like. Cause I already watched you fall apart when, you know, when everything went through with your mom's resyncing. And I remember just like, wanting to hug you. Cause it's also weird because I live in Texas, so it's not like I can just show up at your door and be like, hey. So I was thinking, like, if this doesn't happen, she's gonna fall apart again. And you never fully fall apart, but you, like, do the thing that all the strong people do where it's like you kind of have just like a day and then you're like, okay, we're back. Like, let's keep going. But I knew we were gonna have to do that again, so I was like, okay, I'm really excited, but like, let's hold out. And when it happened, you called me and I just knew your phone was blowing up. And then my phone started blowing up and my phone stopped working.
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A
That's what literally people were like, I tried to call you. I Like, it got out before mom and dad found out, I think, because the White House tweeted the video with Trump Knows Best. And so in that moment, mom and dad couldn't even get through to me. My phone would not stop. Like, to this day, I still have yet to go through.
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B
Oh, I know, I know. It stresses me out.
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A
612 text messages.
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B
I always say it was like the wildest 26 minutes because it just kept going. And then it stopped for a second. And it was funny because there were the people that were like, oh my gosh, it's happening. And the people that were like, is this clickbait? Like, is this actually happening?
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so. And then I just feel like it was like, hurry up, wait. Hurry up, wait. Because then it was like, okay, Samana, when are you going? And then everyone wanted. But everyone wanted a piece. Like, everyone wanted to know what was going on. Like, I had people I hadn't talked to in years, like, text me and they were like, Cuz they knew I represented you. And they were like, is it true? And I'm like, you're not getting a response. So it's like a delete. But like, it was wild. But I think at the same time, it was also really exciting because I. And I've told you this since it happened. Like, I was like, she's gonna get her life back. And I think that's. And. And we knew it was gonna be a new life. Like, a new, like, version. Cause you and I've talked about that. Like, it's a different.
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A
It's just different from when they left, from now when they've come back. It's like, it's a new normal. Me, like, me and Grayson have become very self sufficient. Like, very.
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B
He.
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A
When he first came to me, he didn't even know how to go into a bank, you know? And I was like, dude, there's one of me. I can't do all this for you.
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B
Right?
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A
You've got to learn. You've got to figure it out. Come on.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so now, like, the new normal is very different. But when all these people were reaching out to you, all these publications, was it interesting to see the people who wouldn't touch us, who either would write false narratives, no narrative at all. And then now, all of a sudden, they wanted to write about it.
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B
Oh, yeah. I mean, and it's funny, whenever they text and you can see the background of like, no, no, no, no. And then, oh, hey, they're out. Can we schedule an interview? And I'm like, no. Like, and I mean, because you know.
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A
That from the very beginning, since we've been working together, I am loyal to people who have been loyal to me. So even reporters. Like, there is a reporter specifically that I would not mess with at the beginning.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because stories that she would Write were not 100% factual because she believed one narrative. And we got on the phone call with her, and she's in the upcoming documentary Dory. So, like, she's in it. That first interview, I literally said to her, ask me whatever questions you want to ask. I'm going to tell you the truth, but I'm not messing with you, because I know who you mess with.
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B
Well, and I think that was such an interesting, like, situation too, because she kind of took it and went with it. And she's like, I get it. And still to this day, like, I think she's a perfect example of kind of, like, humanizing media. Because she was like, I get it. Like, I get why they wouldn't trust me. I get it. But, like, let's work through this.
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A
And so.
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B
And I think you gave her that grace, too. Of like, okay. And you were. I remember that first call. I mean, I was on mute, and I just, like, I choked. I was like. Cause you were like, I'm not. You came in hot. And I was like, okay. But I think she's, like, earned your trust back. And I think she also knows that if she loses it. Like, that's it.
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A
And because I get it. I get with how media works. Like, if I screw up, I do something, like, you have to report on it.
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B
Well, and it's. I think that also is a big part with you, is when you're saying that you're wanting loyalty. It's not necessarily you want fully positive stories, but you want them to tell the truth. You want them to, like, pull a trickery moment or anything like that.
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A
And that has happened.
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B
And that's very different with you because, like, so many people, and I've worked with people in the past where it's like, they want you to change the truth. They only want to work with people that are telling positive things, which don't. We all. We all want to do positive things. But, like, you're very even on it. You're just like, I want. I want the truth out there, even if it doesn't look sparkly and great, sometimes I want the truth. So that's very different with you. And something. I don't want people to get misconstrued because when they think publicity, they think just, like, only positive. And you're very. All of it.
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A
Well, and too, I've never gone and said, like, alexa, can you plant this story or that story? Or, like, I really don't care.
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B
Like, I would tell you no anyway.
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A
Exactly. Like, no, I'm not doing that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But, like, I've never done that. Things have just happened the way they've happened. Right. But I think it was so funny to see all the people that, like, would not touch me or wipe their hands of me or whatever, and now all of a sudden, they want something from you.
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B
Right.
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A
And that's the. That's, like, the hard pill to swallow. Like, don't want to give it to them. Do I not?
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B
And I think you can usually tell, like, you can usually tell if they're worth it, because sometimes it's hard because I know, like, writers. And also there was two. Two and a half years in between that. So some people that were starting out, they were, like, young in their careers, and they were, you know, responding to editors. And then I kind of got to keep tabs on them throughout the years to see if they blossomed and they went their own way or if they were really crappy people.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I feel like the ones that did blossom, like, you were willing to work with those people because you, You, I. You're really big on, like, authenticity, and that's what I love about you. And so I think you see Other people and when they're authentic. And it's just. Honestly, it's a better interview, too.
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A
Exactly. Because you know me. I will not. I'm like, I'm not wasting my time.
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B
No.
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A
This, this, this. And would you say, compared to, like, other clients that you've had, especially in this climate, that you've seen writers or publications not want to touch something because of a political affiliation?
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B
I mean, I feel like you're one of the first that I've dealt with that. But as I've liked, worked with you over the years, I've seen it more. And I've also seen how biased the media is, which I always knew they were. Like, when you go to school for. Because I went to school for journalism, and then I switched and went. The publicity were out. But, like, you get taught that there is bias, even though they don't want there to be. But until you actually see it, you.
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A
See it firsthand, and you see people lying or telling this person one thing and this person another thing of, oh, well, they said they didn't want to do this, and they like you. You see it firsthand. It's like, how can you get away with this?
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B
Well, and that's the first thing I say to media when I get on the phone with them, because I'm big on getting on the phone. And I'm like, I will be transparent with you, or if you are transparent with me. And I was like, and the first time you're not, you're gonna learn this relationship's not gonna be as good as it could be.
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A
Yes.
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B
And so I always try to start on that. I give them the opportunity, and then, you know, they either do it, and you're like, okay, you've lost your chance, or they keep going and they can see. Because, I mean, I. And I told you this earlier today. I'm very honest with people in the stuff. In the fact of, like, you're gonna have a really good interview with Savannah if she feels comfortable.
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A
Yes.
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B
And why wouldn't you want that? Why wouldn't you want it?
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A
I mean, there's a way to ask tough question questions that are not favorable to me.
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B
Right.
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A
But I will answer it. But if it's feeling like you're being attacked or like, even the interviews with juju.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like that first one I did with her, she asked really hard questions.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And she asked questions that, you know, I was like, oh, wow. But the way that she asked them, it automatically, like, lifted that guard.
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B
And I gave her that feedback because, you know, between the Time that you had that interview with her. And then when we did with your parents, like I said, you know, the reason you're getting this interview is because they feel so comfortable with you. Like, and she prides herself on that. And anyone that, I mean, every experience I've had with her, you can just tell. And she's a great example of that too. Like, you can just feel it. And I think that's the difference.
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A
That's the difference. And also because Juju and ABC wanted that first interview. But I was like, I said, I am. I never had a deal with the Trumps or any. Like you saw. I had to fight my way to get the pardons. Like, I had to put all the evidence out there. I had to get to the right legal counsel. I had to jump through every single hoop.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I never said, oh, if you do this, I'll do this. There was no bargaining. There was no right. I can't do anything for them. But Laura wanted an interview with mom and dad. And I said, I don't care what people are willing to pay. What people, like this family changed my family's life. Yeah. So I feel like I owe it to them to give them this first interview.
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B
And that was really interesting too because as your publicist, like, it's, it's easy to be like this one really. You know, and nothing is Laura by any means.
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A
Yeah.
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Like, be like these top names are really wanting. Like everyone was offering and you were like, no, we're doing this one first. And I really admired that about you because I obviously that was the situation that helped you and was, you know, benefit. Like you were like you said you wanted to continue to go see her and make it kind of a well rounded situation. But like I, I think you easily could have picked anyone.
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Yeah.
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And you kept your promise there. And that's something I admire about you is it doesn't matter what's going on and what else is dangling from. You're like, nope. You keep your eye on, on what you.
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A
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B
You don't get distracted by the noise which is really special about you.
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A
Well, I think just after the past two and a half years you can't like I think there was a time that I reached because I used to care so much about what people thought and articles and this and that, and. And then it was just like all this noise that's distracting me is taking me away from the key point and what I want out of life and what do I want and, like, what I want to achieve. And so finally, I was just like, I don't care. As long as you're talking about me. You're talking about me.
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B
Well, and I think you also learned after the past few years, like, people can promise all these smoke and mirrors, everything. And then you see the people that actually do show up and do what they say they're gonna do, and I think that changes your perspective, and you tend to care less about the. What he said, she said, because you realize it's just noise.
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A
Exactly. And so the whole pardon thing was a whirlwind.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And two, it's like you said, it was a first for you. Like, you've never.
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B
I know. I was, like, I was calling Alex up because I've been very transparent about this. Like, I don't touch. Like, I don't touch, like, pr. Like legal PR or anything. It's not my wheelhouse. I just don't do it. And so I'm calling Alex up, and I'm like, hey, this one's coming to you. Like, we're, like, feeling it. We were like a team just going. And it was so funny, because I think that's also something, like, I've been very big on. Like, I am not gonna try to act like something I'm not. So I knew my lane. Alex knew his lane. And we were like, okay, we've got this. We've got this.
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A
And I also think, too, there was some confusion because there was a lawyer trying to take credit for the pardon process, and there was a lawyer that was really complicating the media space. And this was a lawyer that, you know, I was told, hire this person, whatever, and did nothing for me, Got paid, did nothing for me, and then was trying to take credit for it, and it really pissed me off. Yeah. And meanwhile, Alex is over here. Alex has been paid a lot of money, but there was also a point in time to where I could not afford to pay Alex what his rate was. And he did a lot of work that he didn't get paid for.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so he also was willing to do the press and do all the things and help put the narrative out there. Like, he truly did show up. And so how did you navigate all these different people getting involved in stories that I knew nothing about?
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B
Yeah, I did.
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A
Because I remember, like, you sent me a link one time and was like, what is this? I was like, this is the first time I'm seeing it.
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B
Right. Well, it's funny, because I would see those links, and I'm like, wait, did I miss something? Like, is she going a different route? What do I not know? And you're like, I didn't know anything about this. And so then that was a lot of like, hey, you're only getting information from me or Alex. I was like, I always said, it's easy to remember Alex and Alexa, just keep it that way. Like, one extra A. Like, I'm like, perfect.
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A
One extra A. Yeah.
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B
And that worked. And again, I think think the foundation that I built of, like, transparency. And so people knew, because also, too, I would, like, go to outlets, and I'd be like, you want to put out the right information? So even if it's just a check, like, just check with me. And I think that worked really well because people learned that, like, we were willing to work with them and give them the information if they would just check. Exactly.
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A
And I.
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B
It was crazy that it was that simple.
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A
Yes.
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B
Because I don't know why I. And I think it is because I.
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A
Think it goes back to the media.
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B
And there's a lot of trickery.
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A
Yes. And people not wanting full transparency.
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B
They're like, oh, all I have to do is ask. And I'm like, yeah, that's all you have to do.
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A
Exactly.
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B
It's that simple.
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A
That's insane. So, yeah, the whole media surrounding the pardon stuff was absolutely insane. And then, obviously, not only are we dealing with media for legal pardon purposes and family, but also myself.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And relationships. And, I mean, you know, I. When I was going through the breakup, and I was like, dear God, if they don't stop writing these articles. Because it had been so quiet about the breakup. So I didn't say anything. And then finally, when one article came out, I was just like, I'm not gonna sit here and act like I'm still together with this person. Please, like, try to get them to stop writing about this. And that was also complicated.
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B
That timing was weird. Like, it was hard navigating that. I wouldn't say hard. It was just, like, unique navigating that. Because, like, this was a moment you'd been working for for so long, and then, like, that's coming out, and it's like, it's just muddying the water. So it was interesting navigating it. But again, it all came down to transparency. I mean, I got so Many texts, they were like, okay, this happening. What's. What's real.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so that helped, and I think to.
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A
The podcast has been a easy way to clear up stuff.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
And, like, that's where a lot of headlines have come from, is the podcast. And if I've spoken about something, it's because either this person's written this or that person or whatever it is. And so that. That was definitely a challenge. And then we've kind of, like, stayed quiet.
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B
Yeah. Recently, we needed a break.
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A
Yes.
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B
I pushed for it. Like, Alex and I, after the press conference, like, back in May, we were like, savannah needs a break. And I remember I told you. You were like, okay, but I've got this, this, this. I was like, give me two weeks, please. Not even a break for me. Like. Cause I was still navigating behind the scenes, but, like, just a break for you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because it's the fact of. I mean, you literally went from Feel like you were. I mean, you were operating like you were 20 years older than you were. And then you go back. I forget that you're in your 20s. Like, I'm like, It's so funny to me because I'm 33, and I am like, oh, my God, she's younger than my younger brother. And I'm like, but you don't. Like, nothing is age, but, like, you just act so much older. And so you kind of got to be your age again.
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A
Yes, I did. I got to be my age again. And I was like, all right, I'm gonna go to the Cayman Islands on this really fun birthday trip.
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B
And then.
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A
Alexa. Shit. On my birthday.
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B
I didn't. Well, literally, I was gonna say I didn't shit on your birthday.
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A
I.
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B
Listen, there's something. Because it's. It's so funny. If I could control some things, some days, I would literally, like, pause everything and not tell you until the following day. You have to understand, I'm sitting there, and I was like, damn it. I was like, it's her birthday. Like, this is not.
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A
Yes, it's my birthday. And I. It was like, the morning of my birthday, like, I rolled out of bed, and Alexa's like, we need to talk. And I'm like, what is it?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then that's when the TMZ article came out. And I'm like, I'm on a birthday trip, like, having fun.
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B
I know.
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A
And then someone in a house next door takes a photo, and I'm like, literally, I'm just having fun on a birthday trip. Stop trying to make this something way more than it is, whatever it may be. And so how do you navigate something like that?
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B
That morning was interesting because that was the first time in a while where.
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A
You were like, and I'm in a place in my life of just like, wanting peace.
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B
Yeah.
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And like wanting something sacred to myself and wanting, like, the world doesn't have to know every single step. Well, and the reason. But that's. It's also. I say that, but it's also people are going to look at me and be like, well, you put your life out there for everyone to see.
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B
Yeah. But the way that that happened, I.
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A
Had to, like the past two and a half years, I had to put my life out there for everyone to see. But that was it.
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B
Like, perfect example. Right. And I know I'm like, I work with people in the industry, but, like, if I'm out at dinner. Right. And I didn't know you, I wouldn't take a pic. Like, I've been out with you when people are taking pictures of you and it's not like a, hey, Savannah, can I take a picture?
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A
It's like a mid bite or like scandalous. Like, feels.
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B
It feels icky.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like it's ill intended. And so those pictures were ill intended. It was not like a. A good example. The sweet picture of your mom in Target with those girls when she first got out. And like, it was one of the first pictures that didn't feel ill intended to me. And I don't know the background story, but that's like a cute moment. And it got out unfortunate because she didn't want a picture out yet. But like, that. That was cute. But like, those were ill intended. I think that's the difference.
- [23:03]
A
Well, and too. You don't know this yet.
- [23:06]
B
Oh, my God.
- [23:07]
A
But when that, when we got that text, you were like, savannah, this about to come out.
- [23:12]
B
Yeah.
- [23:12]
A
Here's photos. Here's the videos. And Tyler.
- [23:15]
B
Oh, I did hear the phone story.
- [23:17]
A
And like, examines the photos and videos and zooms in, zooms out. And he's like, it's that tree right there. And knew the house that it came from. Literally confronted the people. And the poor girl that was at the house was like, it wasn't me. Like, I don't even know. Like, I don't think anyone in our house would do something like that. And Tyler's like, you have 15 minutes to get to the bottom of it. Here's my number, and I expect a call.
- [23:40]
B
He's a real one.
- [23:41]
A
He is. And I'm like, oh, my Gosh. And next thing we know, Tyler gets a call from a girl staying in that house, admits to sending everything to tmz. And she was like, but I haven't even signed anything. How can. How can they. How can they post that without even paying me yet? Because her exact words, that's the thing.
- [24:00]
B
And that's another thing, is they were looking for payment. And again, it comes back to transparency, right? So my contact at TMZ texts me and tells me all this. And I'm like, enough to the point where I'm friendly with him. And I'm like, like, you're really. Because that was a Monday, right? I was like, you're really adding to my Monday this morning. And he was like, alexa, I'm so sorry. And I was like, you're just. You're really. I need more coffee. Like, we're going back and forth like that.
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A
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B
And like, they were shopping it. So, yes. So it's not like I hate the dumb factor. Like, they were looking for a payout.
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A
And she literally said, I'm a good Christian girl from Texas, like, and starts crying on the phone and Tyler goes, dry it up. The crocodile tears aren't going to work on me.
- [28:26]
B
Well, that's like.
- [28:27]
A
But I'm also like, why do you look to just.
- [28:30]
B
I've always said this. Like, if you're. And I'm not calling this girl that, but it's the only phrase. If you're going to be a bitch, be a whole. Be a bitch. All the way, like, if I have so much respect for someone, if they're a bitch and they're, like, owning it.
- [28:42]
A
Yeah, cool.
- [28:43]
B
Like, might not like what you're saying to me, but I respect the authenticity.
- [28:46]
A
Thank you. Like, if you're going to do it, stand it.
- [28:48]
B
Yeah. Be like, yeah, I did. Sorry. Like, I know it probably sounds shitty, but at least she's standing behind it. Like, stand 10 toes down because you did it. And the only reason you're apologizing is because you got caught.
- [29:00]
A
And that's the thing. She tried to lie and say that she didn't. And Tyler goes, we literally have the receipts. Which we didn't. But Tyler was like, we literally have the receipts. Then that's when she started crying.
- [29:09]
B
Yeah.
- [29:09]
A
And was like, but they haven't even paid me yet. How can they post that? Like, I just took it to send to my mom and grandmother. He said, then how to end up with tmz?
- [29:17]
B
She slipped into the TMZ email.
- [29:19]
A
Exactly. Like, come on. And so how do you navigate stuff like that?
- [29:25]
B
By the grace of God. No, I mean, like, those are never fun. Because I know, like, that morning, I knew the hard thing about PR is I do. I. I like to tie a little bow on things. I like to be able to. Because if not, your anxiety goes wild. I knew I wasn't gonna be able to tie a bow on that one. And I knew, like, even though I didn't do it, I didn't send the picture. I didn't do whatever. I knew your birthday was gonna be soured because of that.
- [29:47]
A
Yeah.
- [29:47]
B
And like, I just had to sit in it all day long. Like, literally, Cody came home and I said, today is gonna suck. And he was like, why? And I told him. He goes, oh. He goes, but you didn't do it. I said, I know, but I just, like, no.
- [29:56]
A
It was like my first birthday and not too, like, without all the chaos. Like, you were pushed.
- [30:01]
B
Like, you were like, how? Like, I was like, go, have fun. Like, whatever. I mean, I think at the end of the day, I was like, so are we gonna start over tomorrow? Like, are we gonna have another birthday tomorrow? Because it was just, like, I knew you weren't gonna get it back. And, like, you had just given so much of your past few years. Like, because you and I talked about it, like, even though you'd had birthdays every year, like, the last year still.
- [30:19]
A
Well, like, they were under indictment.
- [30:21]
B
They were.
- [30:22]
A
We went to trial. They were found guilty.
- [30:25]
B
It wasn't fun. And so it was like, the first one. And that person did that. And again, I know you say. And I do. Like, I get it. There are responsibilities that come with being in the public eye.
- [30:35]
A
Yes.
- [30:35]
B
But again, I stand by it. I don't think that gives people the ability or, like, the okay to be shitty to you because you're in the public eye. Like, so that's where I struggle with it, because I'm, like, so navigating that. That day, it was by the grace of God and a lot of coffee, but we got there and we did it.
- [30:51]
A
Because my thing is, like, if I wanted the world to know, I would say it. You know, me. And it's like, I want my peace. And my. Everything has been so chaotic, and I have lived in so much. So much like, dysfunction and fight or flight that I'm like, let me just live well.
- [31:07]
B
And I think that does help you in the media, because between them talking to me and then them listening to broadcasts, because a lot of media does listen to broadcasts just because they like it. I think that that's been an interesting shift with you from Chrisley Knows Best, because you've been so open about, like, how scripted a lot of that was, and now they know that you're being authentic on here and talking through things. So they know if something happened, you know, over the weekend, they're gonna hear it at some point.
- [31:31]
A
Exactly.
- [31:31]
B
And so I think it makes it easier when we are navigating those moments where I can be like, listen, like, there's nothing to tell you about that right now, but, like, tune in. Cause, you know, they might. You'll eventually talk about it. And I think it creates that trust because they know they can listen and you'll.
- [31:47]
A
And I think in a way, it helps to hold them accountable.
- [31:50]
B
Yeah.
- [31:50]
A
Because if I speak on something and they report something total opposite, it makes them look like that.
- [31:58]
B
Right.
- [31:58]
A
And, like, they don't know what they're talking about. They haven't done their due diligence. So, like, having the podcast not only in audio, but visual form.
- [32:06]
B
Right.
- [32:07]
A
There's no misconstruing the narrative.
- [32:10]
B
Right.
- [32:11]
A
Yeah, That's. Yeah. The world of pr. I'm glad I don't have your job. I just get to make your job easier or harder, you know?
- [32:17]
B
But it is funny because at the end of the day, like, you're different. Because I do care. And, like, I try to take on clients that I care about because it's just. It's not fun to me to just get.
- [32:25]
A
But, like, working for a corporation versus an individual is totally different, but I.
- [32:32]
B
Think, like, it is. At the end of the day, it's someone else's problem. So, like, I get to be like, okay, I can step away for a second. But, like, I mean, pr, again, it's chaos. It's not my chaos, so it's fine.
- [32:43]
A
It's not my chaos. That is. Yeah. I try to make your life easy, though.
- [32:48]
B
You do. You're. I mean, again, like, I was telling someone the other day, because everyone always asks her, like, what's it like working for Savannah? And I'm like, well, first of all, I work with Savannah, not for Savannah.
- [32:57]
A
Yes. Thank you.
- [32:58]
B
Yeah. And so. But, like, you are very. A lot of people think PR, Again, is just, like, a bunch of yes men, and I just don't do that.
- [33:06]
A
No, it's. It's.
- [33:06]
B
I've done it before, and it's not fun. It's also not great for the mental health. But, like, you've never been that way, and so it makes it enjoyable to work with you, and it makes it, like. I mean, I tell. What did I. What did I tell you recently? I was like, let's just get you, like, really rich so we can just all go on an island.
- [33:22]
A
Exactly.
- [33:23]
B
For the rest of our lives. Like, it's not even about the money. It's more about the peace of mind.
- [33:26]
A
Exactly. And, like, working with. I think, especially after the past two and a half years, you realize how important it is to work with people that you like, that you enjoy. It's not to say you're not gonna have a disagreement. You're not gonna.
- [33:39]
B
But, like.
- [33:40]
A
And have more good days than you do bad.
- [33:43]
B
Right.
- [33:43]
A
And because when you don't, it absolutely drains you of every ounce of energy that you have.
- [33:49]
B
Well, and my thing is, too, like, as your publicist, I never want you to be scared to come tell me anything. Like, that's not gonna get anywhere. So even if you're like, Alexa, and I'm like, the text between you and I were. I'm like, is it bad? How bad is it? Like.
- [34:02]
A
And, like. And then it's funny because then, like, we had that conversation, like, a week ago, and you were like, you thought that was bad. Like, I thought you were gonna tell me something, like, really bad.
- [34:11]
B
And I was like, oh. Oh. But, yeah, I mean, so I think you do. You make it easy. Plus, I feel like you and I both on the weekends are like, we'll talk on Monday. Have a great weekend.
- [34:22]
A
Again, when I work, I work. But, like, I have found that you have to have boundaries and you have to just have a day or two to yourself, because if you don't, you will absolutely run yourself insane.
- [34:36]
B
I know. I think during the pardons, I was like, this is the most we've talked daily in a really long time. And I was like, it's me again. Like. Cause we don't talk that much. Like, we do. But it's efficient.
- [34:46]
A
Yes. It's not, like, straight to the point.
- [34:48]
B
You know, it's like, here, here, here.
- [34:49]
A
Yeah, we have a press day tomorrow. And there was an hour worth of breaks in there.
- [34:53]
B
And I was like, everyone, I swear. It's so funny because anytime I say that to media and I'm like, don't put breaks in there. I think they think that I'm like, giving them insider stuff. I wouldn't tell you. And so I have to be like, no, I would literally tell Savannah this. Take the breaks out or else she's gonna be cranky. And I'm like. But I'm like, in their mind, I'm like, wouldn't you want it efficient too? Like, wouldn't you want to get out at three instead of five?
- [35:17]
A
Yes, exactly. It's like, we don't need lunch. We don't need breaks. We don't need ask your questions. Let's do it. I want to give you the best that I have to offer.
- [35:26]
B
Well, those are long days, too. They are. Like, why would you not want someone bright eyed and bushy tailed?
- [35:31]
A
Like, bright eyed and bushy tailed.
- [35:33]
B
I mean, that's my brain. Like, why would you want someone in the afternoon when you know that they, like, their blood sugar's probably low? Like, they're not. The answers aren't fresh.
- [35:41]
A
Like, yes. And so tomorrow, which this is gonna air in a few weeks, but tomorrow we have a big press day for the new show that's airing on Lifetime.
- [35:51]
B
Yep.
- [35:52]
A
And that. What are you. Do you have, like, concerns?
- [35:57]
B
I don't necessarily have concerns. I almost am. Like, my only concern is if y' all are on time. That's the only concern I have. But no, I mean, I don't think so. I'm excited for y'. All. I mean, I wasn't. I didn't do, obviously, any of the Chris Leno's best stuff with y' all before. And so it's interesting to see this. Like, I just love seeing new eras that y' all are in, and I've seen them with you, and then now I get to see them, like, with your parents and with you all together, I think it's gonna be Good. I'm putting out, like, good vibes. Yeah.
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A
The new show, I mean, I'm. I'm excited. This is launch week for the show. I'm excited.
- [36:30]
B
Yeah.
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A
I'm nervous. I. I say I'm excited, I'm nervous. Then part of me is like, oh, do we really have to relive that? Because what people don't realize is this was filmed.
- [36:41]
B
I know. I was trying to think, when did y' all start?
- [36:44]
A
I think it was like a year ago.
- [36:45]
B
Yeah, it was a bit.
- [36:47]
A
Yeah. At this point, because mom and dad have already been out, what, since May. So June, July, August. Yeah, we're almost September, so almost four months they've been out. Yeah. So that we filmed at least a year ago.
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B
Yeah.
- [37:01]
A
Which was crazy. So I guess a year ago we filmed and so now I have to relive. And that's gonna be the most frustrating part, is like, watching me relive everything.
- [37:10]
B
And Peanut gallery.
- [37:11]
A
The peanut gallery, yes. The whole breakup. It's going to be aired again.
- [37:16]
B
Well, I don't even know what else on it, so I'm interested to watch. Like.
- [37:19]
A
Well, I'm just gonna let you know there was one day because, you know, you said I have, like, my bad days.
- [37:25]
B
Yeah.
- [37:25]
A
Like, but they. They're like, few and far between.
- [37:27]
B
I always say it's like, what, what's the quote? I'm gonna butcher it. And maybe I said it on the last time, but it's like, you can have bad days. Just don't unpack and live there. You don't unpack. You, like, literally, like, drop a small chair and sit there for a second. You don't even camp overnight. You just, like, sit down for a second, you're like, okay. And then the next day.
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A
Yeah, well, there was a bad day and a girlfriend of mine went to the greenhouse. And also I was. I'm really good friends. One that producers blaze as well. So she came and she was like, well, can I film a little? I was like, yeah, sure. I had been drinking. I was, like, super emotional. Had a full blown breakdown. It was the day that, like, that People magazine cover came out. That was just. I was like, you've got to be kidding me. Like, why do I have to keep reliving all this? This sucks. Whatever. And so I feel like I'm gonna look like an absolute, like, basket case.
- [38:15]
B
Did you have a Khloe Kardashian liar? Have you seen that? Where she was going through the Tristan stuff and it's like, no, Literally, I.
- [38:22]
A
Think I'm sitting in the front of my friend's car, and I'm just, like, sobbing with this stupid People magazine cover. And I'm like, this is so unfair. And, like, this person's literally destroyed everyone's lives. And, like, now. But, like, I'm so far moved on from all of it that, like, now it sucks. I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna have to relive this shit.
- [38:42]
B
I mean, yeah, I don't. I don't. I would never want to do that.
- [38:46]
A
It was funny. The. One of the execs at Lifetime was like, I talked to her probably a week ago, and she goes, I asked how the editing was going. You know, feedback. And she goes, honestly, Savannah, literally, she said, first off, before we get this conversation started, everyone in the office wants to know where you get your suits from. And I was.
- [39:08]
B
I get asked that all the time. Like, they want to know where you get. Because your stuff's fun.
- [39:11]
A
Yeah, like, it's fun. It's business, whatever.
- [39:13]
B
We just saw. How many blazers do you have?
- [39:15]
A
Yeah, it's. I have an addiction. And so she. We got that question out of the way, and she goes, everyone editing the show, she said, they watched how hard you fought for your parents, taking care of the kids you going through. And then they said, when you went through the breakup, everyone in the office was just like, when is this girl gonna, like, catch a break?
- [39:35]
B
Truly? I mean, I was thinking the same thing. Like, I was like, damn.
- [39:38]
A
Like, it was just back to back to back.
- [39:41]
B
But also, too, like. I mean, no one would want to. Like, I've been divorced, and I wouldn't want to relive that. Like, I kept that off the Internet, thank God.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I, like, So, I mean, I. Obviously, there are gonna be people that say stuff, whatever. And, like. And I love the way the new show shot, from what I've seen. Yeah, it's chills. Everyone has been using that word, chills. But I think anyone. Like, if you would. Had to go back and watch your breakup later, like, I would hate that. And then, like, have it. Most people get upset about, like, an Instagram post, like, having to look back. Like, yours was on People magazine, and it wasn't even, like, the breakup. It was like that everything was still. Because it was that one right when it was like, everything was still hot. They thought everything was still happy, but we were like. And so it's like, yeah, I think.
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A
It was that one. But then also that cover that came out, and then I was like, on.
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B
Oh, yes.
- [40:23]
A
Or whatever.
- [40:24]
B
But they were within, like, Two weeks of each other.
- [40:26]
A
Yes.
- [40:26]
B
And so it's like, that's frustrating. And so, I mean at the same time, like, and I say that as someone who lives, like, what did I say? What's it like to not be a peasant? Or it's like to not be a peasant. Like, as someone who lives a very everyday life, like, no, that would suck. Like, I would not want to be that. And so I just. Oh, you would love to know who that was.
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A
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B
But that's the thing.
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A
It's like reliving a breakup.
- [45:02]
B
I think. Just reliving anything that sucks.
- [45:04]
A
I honestly I can tell you I don't even remember half of the stuff that I said on the show.
- [45:09]
B
Yeah.
- [45:10]
A
Because when you're going through something so traumatic.
- [45:12]
B
Yeah.
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A
Mom and dad. That the kids. Your. Your brain just like you just function.
- [45:19]
B
Yeah.
- [45:19]
A
And then you don't even remember.
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B
Right.
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A
And it was funny because the exact lifetime goes there was a really. It wasn't like a funny moment. But to all the moms it was funny because she Said it was an early morning. We had gotten up at like, 4:30 to go see Mom. We get in the car, I had forgot the clear bag that we take to, like, go visit. And I'm yelling at the kids. I'm like, get the thing off the thing. Like, come on, we gotta go. Get the thing off the thing. And she was like, every mom was dying, laughing. They're like. Because we've all had that moment of just like, running on empty. And we're like, you know, the thing, you know, And I died. I was like, okay, I can't wait to see that.
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B
I can't wait to watch. Because, like, I feel like I was thinking about this earlier today. Obviously, Like, I'd seen Chris Lee Knows Best. Like, I. It was on in tv and nothing. It's the show, but, like, in the back, it was just background. Like, I enjoyed it, but I was a lot younger. And so this is the version I know of you. Like, even when you're on my tv, like, on replay, that's not you. Like, it sounds weird, but it's just not.
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A
No.
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B
And so it's gonna be cool to see this because that is you. Like, that's the you I've known. And I'm excited for the rest of the world to see that. And I'm interested to see. I mean, obviously it's gonna be a struggle. Cause they've got like. Like before and now. But I'm interested to see how they receive it because it's.
- [46:33]
A
I mean, I think for me, I was just. Is. I lived in the moment as real and raw and honest as I could possibly be. So there's going to be pretty moments. There's going to be bad moments. There's.
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B
But the cool thing with this now, I feel like, too, is you have the podcast. If there's anything that maybe comes across a different way, you're going to be able to kind of fill in the blanks.
- [46:52]
A
Exactly. So I'm excited for it. I'm excited. I can't wait for the world to see it and get the responses. But, yeah, everyone on the podcast loves Grayson. Loves him.
- [47:04]
B
I mean, yeah, they do.
- [47:06]
A
Like, they. He is so relatable. He's so mature.
- [47:09]
B
The recent episode, like, I was like, okay, emotionally available King, you were like. He kind of almost made me tear up because he was like. When y' all were talking about. About, like, your future, and you were like, do you think I'm gonna. Like, I can't remember what you asked. Like, do you think I'm gonna end up with someone. Do you think I'm gonna have kids? Like, and he, like, went through it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It was just so sweet.
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A
I know. Like, he is an angel of a human.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like an angel. And he could have totally gone the opposite way.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But he didn't. And so a funny, funny Grayson story.
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B
Well, he's so cute, because I just recently, like, started working with him, like, just a little bit whenever, like, your parents got out. And he calls me. I didn't read the text yet because I. He had texted me, and he was like, by the way, I reposted this. And I was like. So I answered phone. He's like, hi. I won't take too much of your time. And he always calls me ma', am. And I'm like, God, you made me feel ancient. And he's like. He's like, I won't take too much of your time. I'm like, okay, what's up? He's like, I just want to let you know I reposted that. That is the scariest statement coming from anyone in your family. And I'm like, reposted? You reposted what? And it was the fact of him with his girlfriend or. I don't know if they're to cut that out. If they're not official, I don't know.
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A
Who knows?
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B
But it was a very pretty blonde, and I was like, oh, yeah, that's fine. He was like, well, media has been asking. I'm like, oh, I know. But, like, you're good. Like, it was the cutest thing because it was like, he was so concerned that it was going to, like, cause this, like, hoopla.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And I was like, no thanks to that.
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A
That just goes to show how responsible he is.
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B
Oh, yeah. Well, I said, I've been through it with Savannah. You're. You're easy. We're good. We're good.
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A
Exactly. Like, can we also do. I will never forget the. And it's so funny how media will run with, like, oh, they saw a. Like. Or they saw a comment.
- [48:50]
B
Yeah.
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A
Or what was it? The, Like, Darnell girl.
- [48:53]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [48:54]
A
That.
- [48:55]
B
He was like in the comments, which. It's so funny to me because I like. And I actually. And you and I kind of talked about this before because he's not doing press tomorrow. And I was like, school first. And I'm sure media thinks I'm. I'm so crazy, but I'm like, y', all, he's in college. Like, what is he supposed to say? Sorry, professor, I can't be in class Today, because I have a media day. Like, I know it happens, but, like, I have so much respect for him that he. Like, his response when I texted him was like, hey, there's a media day this day. Like, what do you think? He goes, let me get my class schedule. Like, I want to make sure I'm not missing, like, tests or anything. Like, that was his first concern because.
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A
School is his number one priority.
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B
And I loved it. Like, not that I expected anything different, but so when they're, like, texting me or, like, media texting me about that situation, I was like, y', all, he's in college. Like, I get that you want to make it a headline. I get it. Like, there's interest, and, like, that's a big family that has a ton of interest in them right now as well. But I was like, what? Do you hear yourself right now? And I even texted someone in the media that. And I was like, do you hear yourself right now? Like, we were friendly, and they were like, yeah, it is kind of weird. And I was like, I get it's the job, but, like, like, trying to.
- [49:58]
A
Like, put these people together and trying to. I was like.
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B
And he was like, they're really interested in that. And I was like, yeah, so maybe, like, watch your comments and your likes and stuff, because I was watching, too.
- [50:07]
A
I was like, well, do you know what he did? This was, like, a while ago, but he slid into the DMs of a friend of mine. Not only he didn't know she was my friend, but not only a friend of mine, but a real estate client of mine, and her husband and her bought a home from me. Oh, no. And Grayson slid into her DMS with, like, a flirty message, and she screenshots and sends it to me. I was like, did he get hacked? And I call him. I was like, are you kidding me? He was like, what? I was like, she's married and she's. She's too old for you. Yeah, you're in college. I was like, what are you doing?
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B
Yeah.
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A
I was like, these are clients of mine. They bought a multi million dollar house from me. Like, what are you doing?
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B
I was like, yes, Just sliding in.
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A
Yeah. He was like, how am I supposed to know that? I was like, stay out of people's dms. And he goes, real rich coming from you, Savannah. I was like, shut up.
- [51:07]
B
It's so Yalls relationship's so funny. Like, it's just. But yeah, he bless him. Like, it's always, ma', am, I won't take too much of your time. And I'm like. And then he's like, yes, ma'. Am. And I'm like, please. Like, I get it. It's manners, but please stop.
- [51:21]
A
Please, please. All right, so the next few weeks are gonna be interesting.
- [51:26]
B
Yeah, I think so. They are.
- [51:28]
A
What stuff is gonna air on the show, how we navigate it.
- [51:31]
B
Well, the fun part is, like, they didn't offer me. Which is fine. They didn't offer me to watch anything ahead of time. So, like, I'm gonna be learning with the rest of the world. Like, I'm like, hi.
- [51:39]
A
Hi.
- [51:40]
B
How's it going?
- [51:41]
A
Yeah, well, I just found out about this last night too, so.
- [51:44]
B
Yeah. But I'm excited. I think it'll be good. I'm looking forward to it. Positive vibes.
- [51:49]
A
Positive vibes.
- [51:50]
B
Yeah.
- [51:51]
A
See, I always love our little catch ups. They're so much fun. All right, so are you ready to, like, work with me for the rest of my life?
- [51:57]
B
I hope so. I, you know, I try not to get emotionally attached and no pressure, but, like, I think if you ever called me and you were like, I don't want to work with you anymore, I would need. You can give me a vacation to.
- [52:10]
A
Go, like, grieve on a grieve morning vacation.
- [52:14]
B
Because I just enjoy it. Like. Like, working with you is fun.
- [52:17]
A
I love it. Well, thank you for coming on the podcast.
- [52:19]
B
I love you. Love you too.
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A
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