Dropping Truth Bombs (feat. Grayson Chrisley)

Summary

Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley

Episode: Dropping Truth Bombs (feat. Grayson Chrisley)
Date: August 19, 2025
Host: Savannah Chrisley
Guest: Grayson Chrisley

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Overview

In this episode of Unlocked, Savannah Chrisley is joined by her younger brother, Grayson Chrisley, for a candid, funny, sometimes emotional conversation about transitions, family dynamics, relationships, adulting, and personal growth. As both siblings prepare to move out—Grayson back to school and Savannah into her new place—they reflect on their evolving roles in the family, the challenges and lessons from the past couple of years, and their goals for the future.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Moving Out and Changing Family Dynamics

• Transition Time: Both are moving out soon—Grayson back to college and Savannah into her own apartment.
  • "Grayson's going back to school tomorrow... and then I move out on Friday." (00:31-00:47)
• Empty Nest Reactions: Reflecting on how their departure will affect their parents and younger sister Chloe.
  • "It's just gonna be mom, dad, and Chloe at home... Mom's gonna pull her hair out." (00:49-00:54)

2. Living with Parents as Adults

• Adjustment Difficulties: Coming back home after years away has been challenging for both.
  • "Living with your parents after not living with them for 11 years, well... It's just, like, a lot." (01:23-01:33)
• Parenting Boundaries: Savannah and Grayson discuss the awkwardness of being parented as adults.
  • "Going back, living with your parents, and they're still trying to parent you like you're a teenager is tough." (02:00-02:13)

3. College Life & Future Ambitions

• Excitement to Return: Grayson is eager to return to school, now enjoying his studies more than ever.
  • "I've been excited to go back since the day I came home." (03:22-03:26)
• Finding His Path: Grayson wants to be a sports agent and is motivated by learning about things he values.
  • "I learn about stuff that I actually have an interest in and that I'm actually gonna use." (03:44-03:49)
• Dreams of Success: Hopes of starting his own agency and, humorously, vanishing:
  • “The end goal is to definitely start my own. And then sell that and just disappear.” (04:06-04:09)

4. Sibling Bond & Humor

• Dependence & Banter: The two highlight their codependency and tease each other.
  • “We need each other in our relationship. Yeah, we're a little co-dependent." (00:16-00:21)
• Savannah as the Cool Sister: Excitement about being able to enjoy their relationship as adults.
  • “Now you get to come and be the cool sister instead of... I'm your parent.” (02:35-02:40)

5. Memorable Vegas Trip & Celebrity Encounters

• Celebrity Poker Tour: Savannah competed and placed 9th out of 56.
  • "Not sure what happened... But somehow I came in ninth place." (11:30-11:37)
• Meeting UFC Fighters: Grayson fangirled over Colby Covington and Tito Ortiz, while Savannah was oblivious to their fame.
  • "She looks at him and goes, are you good at what you do?" (06:08-06:21)
  • "When I met the UFC fighters, I was fangirling." (12:04-12:13)
• Funny Moments: Colby Covington had wine spilled on him and had to change clothes mid-event. (07:28-07:37)

6. Family Resilience & Growth

• Reflection on Hard Times: The siblings talk about enduring difficulties over the past 28 months and coming out stronger.
  • "But if you can look back and say that you didn't do everything you could in the 28 months, you'd be lying to yourself." (24:19-24:24)
• Planning and Anxiety: Grayson shares how planning for every possible outcome is both a coping strategy and a source of stress, referencing his experiences as formative.
  • "I like to plan for every possible outcome..." (18:59)
  • "It's a way easier life to live not worrying about it, but it may pay off more if you take that worry and plan ahead." (18:30-18:49)

7. Views on Therapy & Emotional Maturity

• Disagreement on Therapy: Savannah insists everyone benefits from therapy, while Grayson believes it depends on the individual.
  • "I think it's good if you need it." (14:49)
  • "There's no perfect answer to any question... there's no such thing as something that works for everybody every time." (15:19-15:31)
• Emotional Regulation: Grayson describes himself as the "planner" and the calm one in a family of big emotions.
  • "I have a mindset of looking at a situation before reacting, and it's really hard... being in a family that is so emotionally driven." (25:27-25:36)
  • "The time somebody spent freaking out... you could have probably already had a solution." (26:19-26:34)

8. Relationships, Dating, and Drama

• Current Status: Grayson says he's single, but open depending on the person.
  • “I do not. Think it depends on the person.” (12:24-12:32)
• Past Drama: Both discuss experiences with ghosting, immature breakups, and messy interpersonal dynamics.
  • "You would think that somebody that had almost two decades on you would know how to handle a situation better." (13:15-13:23)
• Grayson’s Complicated Crush: He admits liking his ex’s friend, who now lives down the street at college, and reflects on the “don't date where you live” rule. (33:07-34:15)

9. Adulting: The Good, Bad, and Ugly

• The Perils of Growing Up: Adulthood comes with new frustrations and less hand-holding.
  • "If I wanted to use my card, I wouldn't ask you." (27:07-27:23)
• Savannah’s Advice for Kids: Lighthearted warning to young listeners about the realities of adulthood.
  • "If you're in the car with your parents, you do not want to be an adult. It is a lot of frustration." (27:29-27:45)
• Life Philosophy: Grayson shares a candid, somewhat cynical outlook.
  • "Life is a shit show interrupted by brief moments of happiness and good things." (27:45-28:10)

10. Future Hopes & Sibling Support

• Support for Each Other: They cheer each other on in life, career, and eventually family.
  • "If anybody can do it, you can do it." (29:54)
• Expectations for Savannah: Grayson predicts Savannah will have kids after getting married, possibly for that reason.
  • "I think you'll get married because you're having kids." (31:26)
• Goals for Peace: Savannah aspires to a calmer future, while Grayson acknowledges his draw to functional chaos.
  • "I'm tired of the toxicity... I want a peaceful life and a child." (35:13-35:23)
  • "You know deep down that that drama is a part of the attraction." (35:32-35:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On returning to the family home:
  Savannah: “Having that many people in one household, it's been a lot. And living with your parents after not living with them for 11 years, well...” (01:23-01:33)
• On emotional maturity and therapy:
  Grayson: “You never wanna admit that you screwed up... then that shows your flaws. And nobody likes seeing their own flaws.” (14:01-14:15)
• On planning and anxiety:
  Grayson: "The last 28 months wouldn't have been as difficult as they were if there was more planning." (17:17-17:38)
• On work ethic and resilience:
  Grayson: “Once you go from having money to not having money, then to having money again, you're so scared to go back that that fear motivates you.” (22:19-22:36)
• On adulting:
  Grayson: “Life is a shit show interrupted by brief moments of happiness and good things.” (27:45-28:10)
• On self-confidence:
  Grayson: "I don't believe in saying if. I like saying when, because I feel like if you say if, you don't believe in yourself to really get there." (21:24-21:41)
• On emotional family reactions:
  Grayson: "It's really hard being in a family that is so emotionally driven that I'm the only one who... you take a minute, look at it, how do I fix it versus being emotionally driven, losing your lid, or having a breakdown." (25:27-26:10)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 00:23 – 01:53: Moving out and reflections on family adjustments
• 03:22 – 04:13: Grayson’s excitement for school and career plans
• 05:34 – 09:34: Las Vegas trip, celebrity run-ins, and poker tournament stories
• 13:05 – 15:31: Handling relationships, ghosting, and emotional maturity
• 17:04 – 18:49: Planning for every outcome, anxiety, and resilience
• 24:19 – 26:34: Looking back on tough times and family problem-solving styles
• 27:45 – 28:10: Life philosophy: “Life is a shit show interrupted by brief moments of happiness”
• 29:54 – 31:36: Future hopes, marriage, and having children
• 33:07 – 34:40: Grayson’s complicated college crush and comedic advice
• 35:13 – 36:36: Drama attraction, peace aspirations, and future plans for more episodes

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Tone & Style

True to Savannah and Grayson's sibling rapport, the episode is warm, quick-witted, open, and often unfiltered. They frequently interrupt, finish each other's thoughts, and move effortlessly from humor to introspection and back, making the discussion both relatable and real.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. And we have Grayson back.

[B]

Yep. Just like I always say, this is how, you know, everything's going downhill because.

[A]

He just comes back to save the show.

[B]

She needs me.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

We have a real. You know, we need each other in our relationship.

[A]

Yeah. We're a little co. Dependent.

[B]

Yeah, a little bit.

[A]

But Grayson is coming on because we have reached that time of the year. And Grayson's going back to school tomorrow.

[B]

No. She's gonna have another breakdown when she leaves, and it's gonna be.

[A]

I'm not gonna be as bad this time. Like, it's gonna be sad, but it's okay because Grayson moves out tomorrow, and then I move out on Friday.

[B]

Mom's gonna be the one we got to worry about.

[A]

Yeah. It's just gonna be mom, dad, and Chloe at home.

[B]

I know. Mom's gonna pull her hair out.

[A]

Yeah. It's gonna be brutal, but it's okay. They're gonna realize how much they missed us.

[B]

They're gonna realize what they had, and they're gonna want it back.

[A]

Yep. You got it. That was the thing. It's like, y'. All. Since they've been home. I mean, we've had a great time, but we've. We've also been in each other's throats.

[B]

I mean, we knew it was gonna take time to adjust.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it wasn't gonna. I mean, I expected it. I knew we weren't gonna jump back into what we were before.

[A]

No. But, like, having that many people in one household, it's been a lot. And living with your parents after not living with them for 11 years, well.

[B]

It'S just, like, a lot. The other night, I asked to go somewhere, and it was 9 o', clock, and dad was like, at 9 o'. Clock. I was like, what?

[A]

Also the fact that you asked.

[B]

Like, I was looking back, I was like, first of all, why did I even ask? Second of all, I haven't.

[A]

Yeah, that's the hard part.

[B]

I told him. I said, I'm living on my own in four days again, and you're having me argue with you about going somewhere at 9:00'. Clock.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the hard part, too. Like, going back, living with your parents, and they're still trying to parent you like you're a teenager is tough. I have experienced it. I'm almost 30 years old, so I'm just excited to move into my place. It's so cute. It's gonna be cute when I finish designing it. I'm working with A designer. Their Instagram is like vibe interiors. So cute. It's gonna look well for you.

[B]

It's basically like you get to restart your life.

[A]

Yeah. With no responsibility.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm excited. Cause now you get to come and be the cool sister instead of. I'm your parent.

[A]

I know. We're gonna have fun. Which games am I coming to?

[B]

I know. That's why I'm excited. I'm even excited to move in tomorrow.

[A]

I know. What games am I coming to?

[B]

As many as possible.

[A]

As many as possible. I know that was going to be.

[B]

I'd be fine if you were there for every home game.

[A]

Do they ever play in Knoxville?

[B]

They do not this year.

[A]

A cuz I wanted to go to BlackBerry Farm.

[B]

You can't pay me to go back up there.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I hate that place.

[A]

It was bad.

[B]

It's. It's awful up there.

[A]

It's awful up there. I cannot.

[B]

And hell. Walking to class. You got to walk up a 25 foot incline because it's nothing but hills. It's mountains.

[A]

Yeah. That's brutal.

[B]

And I'm like, you could.

[A]

So are you excited to go back to school tomorrow?

[B]

I've been excited to go back since the day I came home.

[A]

But that's good though. That you've been part of an environment that you love that makes you feel welcomed and that like you want to go back to.

[B]

And I don't dread the school part. I actually. For me to say this is a big deal because I've hated school my entire life. But I love the school part.

[A]

Why do you think that is?

[B]

I learn about stuff that I actually have an interest in and that I'm actually gonna use.

[A]

What are you going to do with what you're learning?

[B]

Be a sports agent.

[A]

Okay. And what does that entail?

[B]

I have to take some.

[A]

Entail. Entail, whatever.

[B]

Like in school or after?

[A]

After.

[B]

Well, I mean I would have to work with like a sports agency or something. But the end goal is to definitely start my own. And then sell that and just disappear.

[A]

Sell that and just disappear. Don't forget about me.

[B]

I might not say anything where I'm going. You'll just get one random big deposit into your account and have to wonder where it came from. And nobody will ever get a hold of me.

[A]

I will. I will just accept it and gladly accept it.

[B]

Don't ask questions.

[A]

Don't ask questions.

[B]

Just take it and be done.

[A]

So also too. Can you please explain to people what's going on with your cause? You look like a creature.

[B]

No, I Know, I had knee surgery, so they had to shave my leg. Or a part of it.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I was gonna see if you wanted to come to Cayman for my birthday.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I would love to, but it's up to you.

[A]

It's up to you. But aren't you going somewhere? With dad?

[B]

Anything with dad. You have to play by ear.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it's fine. He don't want to go either, so it's like he's going for me.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

So you think he gives a. He doesn't give a crap about cars.

[A]

Yeah, no, he really doesn't. Well, decide, and if you do, then.

[B]

Well, I mean, I'd love to go.

[A]

Like, for a few days.

[B]

I'm happy I said this the other day. I'm happy. Now I'm at the age where I get included on stuff.

[A]

Well, yeah, you get included on stuff because you're an adult, and it's like, we don't have to worry. Oh, Grayson. Can't go here, can't go there.

[B]

Even Vegas. I even told you. I told you multiple times, like, thank you for bringing me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I was just happy to be there.

[A]

Did you. How was the Vegas experience?

[B]

Oh, it was great.

[A]

What was the best part of the.

[B]

Whole thing I've probably ever had?

[A]

What was the best part?

[B]

Meeting Colby Covington.

[A]

That was hilarious, because I had met Waka Flocka. Yeah, you met Waka Flocka? Colby Covington. I had no idea who he was.

[B]

Yeah, because she doesn't keep up with fighting.

[A]

But I just knew he was attractive. That was it. I was like, who's the attractive guy standing next to me? And then. Please tell the story. About what? I looked at him and said, well.

[B]

She looks at him and goes, are you good at what you do? And I, like, paused for a minute, and I looked at her and I said, is he good at what he does?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I said, he could retire right now and be in the UFC hall of Fame.

[A]

Well, I. Pardon me. I don't watch people fight for a living, so I did not know. But apparently, he is really good at what he does.

[B]

That's so crazy to me, because anybody that watches UFC knows that Colby is probably, besides Conor McGregor, the most hated guy in the UFC.

[A]

See? Well, and that was the thing, was, I looked at him.

[B]

He's so nice.

[A]

I know he was so nice, but I looked at him because you said he was mean, and I was like, why are you mean to people? Like, you don't need to do that.

[B]

When he called Kamara Usman, Marty fake newsman. He comes up with these names for everybody.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, you don't have to do that.

[B]

You do in that sport. You do to get paid. You do.

[A]

I told him he needed to be nicer.

[B]

He. He's doing exactly what he should, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

That's twice raising there.

[A]

These people. So we have podcasts with, like, Mark d' Amelio and. Who was the other? Bryce.

[B]

Bryce Hall.

[A]

Bryce Hall. We meant to get one with Colby, but with the way the celebrity poker tour went, it was just kind of.

[B]

Colby got wine spilled on him, so he left and changed and then came back.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

Yeah. That's why he wasn't there for a minute.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Stop. That's hilarious.

[B]

Colby and I were talking, and he. I mean, he talked to me the whole time.

[A]

Yeah. So sweet.

[B]

Savannah told me. She was like, don't talk his ear off.

[A]

Yeah. Because Grayson was just yapping this. It's like he had freaking diarrhea of the mouth.

[B]

But he kept coming up to. So I was like, I mean, if he keeps coming up to me, I'm going to talk to him.

[A]

Yeah. So they were talking the whole time. And then afterwards, y', all, we went gambling.

[B]

Well, we also went to dinner with. You didn't know who it was, but Tito Ortiz.

[A]

Yeah. Who's that?

[B]

UFC hall of Famer. He's the reason. He's one of the reasons that UFC is what it is.

[A]

No way.

[B]

He fought on, like, one of. I think it was.

[A]

Yeah, we were at dinner, we went to Toca Madera, and it was like, Colby.

[B]

Tito Ortiz, Al, Jermaine, Sterling, Oday, Aaron, Other Aaron and you. Yeah, there was one of Colby's friends.

[A]

All kinds of people there at dinner. And then afterwards, we went and what?

[B]

Tito ortiz fought on UFC 40. It's now on. Because, you know, it goes by numbers. They only do one each month.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

It's now on UFC 319.

[A]

There wasn't anyone that looked that old.

[B]

It's now on UFC 319.

[A]

Well, then Tito. Tito's. Whatever. He looked good because he didn't look that old. And so then we went gambling after. Obviously, Grayson couldn't gamble, but. But he, like, stood back and he stood back and watched him and Walka Flocka.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't. So Grayson stood back and watched us gamble. And y'. All these people. Thank God. I sat down at a table to where, like, they still. Since everyone else was betting big, they were like, oh, just let her bet, like, 300 bucks. I was like, oh, thank God. And these people were betting, like, hundred thousand dollar hands.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like $100,000, $50,000, 25,000. And it gave me a heart attack. I was like, there's no way.

[B]

It was funny because I had to stand on the walkway to be able to watch.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It was not allowed on the casino floor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I had to stand on the walkway and look over and watch the whole time.

[A]

Yeah. But he still had a blast. We had so much fun. I'm gonna go back at the end of August to play in the celebrity poker tour again. I came in n out of 56 people, so I did pretty good. And November, and I'm gonna go back in November. But I am bound and determined to win this celebrity poker tour. Blake, when I'm telling you now I'm winning it, it's just gonna happen. I've now got a little bit better strategy. I'm so excited. That was a freaking blast.

[B]

Blake texted me and said, I think you had more fun out of anybody in your family this weekend.

[A]

Yeah. Literally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was so much fun. And when we go back, we can do the racing. We can go race cars.

[B]

You know what they also have?

[A]

What?

[B]

The formula one experience.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Where you get to go in the cars and, like, it's obviously not as fast as formula one, but you drive the cars around the track and everything.

[A]

Oh, that's awesome.

[B]

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[A]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I went racing with old man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who's socially or emotionally inept. And beat him on the racetrack. Yeah, I did. I beat him track. I had like 56 highest track record.

[B]

And everybody was so shocked about the poker because they were like, does she play?

[A]

And I was like, no, no, no, I don't play. But somehow I came in ninth place out of 56 people. Not sure what happened.

[B]

Colby came dead last, and he's like the best poker player there.

[A]

Literally. He. He was the first person out. Like, how does that happen?

[B]

And he. He was like, dude, I don't even know. Like, it was just so bad.

[A]

I don't even know. I was getting some tough hands. I don't know how I made it as far as I did.

[B]

Yeah. But we met a lot of cool people.

[A]

We did. We met a lot of cool people. We had a blast.

[B]

And I don't usually fangirl because.

[A]

No, he fangirled. Let me tell you.

[B]

Listen, we've been blessed to be in a position where we meet a lot of cool people, but when I met the UFC fighters, I was fangirling.

[A]

I was fangirling. I was fangirling. So, Grayson, for people that are listening that want to know, do you have a girlfriend?

[B]

I do not.

[A]

Oh, you don't? Interesting. Do you want one?

[B]

Think it depends on the person.

[A]

I say no.

[B]

I think there's some people where I'm like, I'd rather just be single.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

There's some people that are literally. I'd be like, yeah. I mean, I'd date you.

[A]

Yeah. Don't do it. It's just a trap. It's just a trap. You'll be miserable. Listen to me. You may even get ghosted. That's a possibility too.

[B]

Yeah. It's hard to ghost somebody when you go to school with them and see them and.

[A]

Yeah, I guess when you live in different states.

[B]

When you live in different states, it's way easier.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I just don't. I don't get that.

[B]

That was handled very immature and irresponsible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you would think that somebody that had almost two decades on you would know how to handle a situation better.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

But clearly they do not.

[A]

Clearly they do not. Because I still didn't get a. I got that group text with you, and that was it from my text. But it's fine. It's fine.

[B]

I think that's a coping mechanism of ignoring your problems. If you ignore your problems, they don't exist. And I think that's what he was doing.

[A]

Go more into that.

[B]

I mean, a lot of, you know, a lot of people like to think that if you ignore a situation, the situation isn't happening.

[A]

Do you think that's also a way of, like, trying to cope with your feelings?

[B]

And I think that's a very immature way of coping with your feelings.

[A]

Well, clearly. But, like, you know, you screwed up, but you just gotta.

[B]

Well, it's an ego thing. And especially with men, an ego. You never wanna admit that you screwed up. You don't wanna admit that you did something wrong, because then that shows your flaws. And nobody likes seeing their own flaws.

[A]

But how do you get to a place to where you can be okay with seeing your own flaws?

[B]

I think it's just maturity.

[A]

But you're mature.

[B]

I think it takes a different level of maturity to see your own flaws and accept your own flaws than it does to ignore it.

[A]

But I feel like you're pretty mature for your age. You're more mature than like 30 year old men.

[B]

It's just stuff we've been through. Been around adults my whole life. Had to deal with adults my whole life.

[A]

But also you go to therapy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what's your viewpoint on therapy?

[B]

I think it's good. I think it's good if you need it.

[A]

Do you not think everyone needs it? To an extent.

[B]

I wouldn't say everybody needs it because I think some people deal with their problems differently and I don't think there's one right answer to deal with a problem. I don't think the right, it's always the right answer to be like, hey, go talk to a therapist. But I do think for people that need it, it's very beneficial.

[A]

But see, that's where we're gonna kind of disagree. Like I feel like everyone needs it.

[B]

But there's no perfect answer to any question. There's no such thing as a perfect answer.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

There's no such thing as something that works for everybody every time.

[A]

That's fair.

[B]

So you can't, I mean, if you get a room of a hundred people and send all 100 people to therapy, it's not going to work for all 100 people.

[A]

Okay, I see that. But then how do you deal with someone who like you're in therapy doing your work and someone else isn't and then it's.

[B]

Well, at the end of the day, I mean we've, we've had a bunch of situations like this, but it's like you cannot force someone to go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because from my own experience at first, when I was more forced to go instead of wanting to go, and I had a different outlook on it than I do now, it's not beneficial.

[A]

What was your outlook on it?

[B]

Well, at first I was like, I don't want to do this. I don't know why I'm paying to speak to somebody. But after, it changed over time. But it's just different outlooks.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

And if somebody doesn't want to go, it's not going to be beneficial. It's like school, your grades are gonna drop if you don't wanna be there.

[A]

Yeah, I mean that is very accurate. Interesting. You've always had a very interesting way of thinking.

[B]

Sometimes it's bad, but sometimes it's bad.

[A]

Why is it bad? I don't know.

[B]

Sometimes it just bites me in the ass. But.

[A]

Well, there's that too. I can see that 100%.

[B]

I was talking on the phone earlier, I said, I Think I have a problem of planning too much.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like, cuz you know, I've always worried about not what happened tomorrow. He's a next month.

[A]

Yes. Literally he's a freaking worrier. Wants to worry about what's gonna happen 2,567 days.

[B]

But in my defense, I believe that. I'm trying to think of how to say it. The last 28 months wouldn't have been as difficult as they were if there was more planning.

[A]

100%.

[B]

And I think it's a little bit of a PTSD thing and I've talked about it in therapy of planning ahead and you know, this may never happen. But what do I do if it does happen?

[A]

Yeah, you have to. That's like, that's a full on trauma response of if this person would have done X, Y and Z, then it wouldn't. You can't just be good for six months.

[B]

But I also believe that it will, like I said on the phone earlier, so when my life is said and done, you know, I'm getting ready to croak. I think it will have end up doing more good than bad.

[A]

What will have done more good than bad?

[B]

Obsessing over planning.

[A]

Okay, I. That's a fine line. That is a very fine line.

[B]

It's a way easier life to live not worrying about it. But it may pay off more if you take that worry and plan ahead and you'll find out. You know, if I didn't plan for this situation, it would have been a lot harder for me to resolve 100%.

[A]

I mean you can plan in a way though, that does not cause anxiety.

[B]

I like to plan for every possible outcome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If it's no, if it's yes, if it's maybe I like to plan for what am I going to do if it's no, what do I do if it's yes.

[A]

Well, I think that's a healthy way to live because especially when you have a family and a wife and kids, if the absolute worst thing happens, you want to have the knowledge, resources, funds, relationships to be able to fix that disaster way quicker.

[B]

And I, I believe that especially with my career path that I want to go down, that, that will help me a lot.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like for example, if I'm planning ahead, well, I need to plan ahead just in case this contract, something happens with this contract. We have this, this one right behind it. Just in case.

[A]

No, that makes, and I love that way of thinking. I mean it seems in the moment like it's more of a burden.

[B]

It's very stressful and it's a very. You have almost no peace. But I just think my head never shuts off.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even when I go to sleep, it never shuts off. I'm always thinking about something, how to do something, how to get better at something. So it's. If it's never gonna shut off in the first place, why not use it?

[A]

You're. The way your brain works is absolutely insane. It's just like learning, especially to be.

[B]

19 years old, just learning how to use your flaws. Okay, this might. I mean, some people might look at this as a flaw of mine, but how can I use it to benefit me?

[A]

Without a doubt. I feel like anything can be beneficial if you frame it the right way.

[B]

But eventually you turn your flaws into your strengths.

[A]

I'm proud of you.

[B]

And like, I might get a deal ahead of somebody because I was more planned or I planned it out more than they did.

[A]

See, I knew I put my bet on the right dog. I said it all along. We're putting it here now when he makes it big, remember who I think.

[B]

And this is not. I mean, I know, you know, you're always going to have haters.

[A]

Well, always.

[B]

Somebody's going to say something about this. Sounding cocky. I think there's a fine line and a difference between being cocky and having.

[A]

Confidence in yourself, without a doubt.

[B]

And I really do believe that once, because you and I have talked multiple times, that I don't believe in saying if. Yeah, I like saying when, because I feel like if you say if, you don't believe in yourself to really get there. No, you think a lot of stuff has to happen for you to get there. You think you have to get lucky. No, make it happen. And it's for me, I believe that once I get to my career path that there's no way that I'm not successful. Because we went from, of course, you know, plenty of money, being able to do what we wanted to not having it. And we're working our way back. But I feel like once you go from having money to not having money, then to having money again, you're so scared to go back that that fear motivates you.

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[B]

There's. There's a quote from a movie, and a lot of people laugh at it, but it really means more than what a lot of people think it does. But in the Wolf of Wall street, they said, I've been a rich man, I've been a poor man, and I choose rich every time.

[A]

Mm. That is. And what to you does that say?

[B]

I think it says that you've been rich and you've been poor and you have such a fear of going back that you will do anything it takes to stay where you are.

[A]

Interesting. Do anything it takes to an extent. Yeah, do an extent.

[B]

Do everything you can.

[A]

Yeah, do everything you can. Work hard. That's the thing about today's day and age is people don't have the work ethic anymore.

[B]

And I love, like, I will be fine if I look back and be like, you know, I did everything I could. And that's like, for you and. And what we've gone through the last 28 months, I don't think. And if you can, you're. I'm sorry, but you're batshit crazy. But if you can look back and say that you didn't do everything you could in the 28 months, I think you'd be lying to yourself.

[A]

Say that again.

[B]

I think if you said you didn't do everything you could in the last 28 months, you'd be lying.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So I think, like, you can look back and I'm just using this as an example for what I'm saying, but I think you can look back over the last 28 months and say, you know what? I did everything I could, without a doubt. Does that not give you a certain level of peace, knowing.

[A]

Oh, it does. But everything in the moment, like you said, in the moment, it's stressful, it sucks, it hurts. You don't understand it. But looking back, you're like, you know what? I did everything I could. And it got us to this point. It got mom and dad home. It. Chloe had.

[B]

Her goal was accomplished.

[A]

Yeah, the end goal was accomplished. Chloe was in her private school. You were in your school. You went to college. You. So in the moment, I've literally felt like I couldn't breathe. But on the other side, it was, you know what I did. It. It was worth it.

[B]

And, you know, Whether we're in a good place or a bad place right now, it's a lot better place than we were a few months ago.

[A]

Yeah, that's for friggin sure.

[B]

And.

[A]

And.

[B]

It'S just I have a mindset of looking at a situation before reacting, and it's really hard.

[A]

I wish I was more like that.

[B]

It's really hard being in a family that is so emotionally driven that I'm the only one who. And I'm not saying necessarily it's a bad thing all the time. I don't want you to think I'm talking shit, but I'm saying, like, being the only one who. Something happens and then you take a minute look at it. How do I fix it versus being emotionally driven? Losing your lid or having a breakdown or something. And I know sometimes you need that. You need to get it out.

[A]

See, I just kind of lose my lid. Or I'm 50, 50, I go in. Well, regardless, I always figure out how to fix it. But I can lose my lid.

[B]

But what I believe is in that time somebody spent freaking out, losing their lid, cussing somebody out, losing their mind, you could have probably already had a solution.

[A]

That is a fair point.

[B]

And I've talked to dad about that so many times, and, I mean, he's gotten somewhat better at it. But I've told him, I said, you know the 20 minutes you spent, Lou, popping your lid? I said, we could have had a conversation, had this situation resolved and moved on to something else.

[A]

Isn't it funny, though, that, like, how you go from being a kid and then now you're an adult? I mean, I still view you as a kid, but now you're an adult.

[B]

I still view myself as a kid. A lot of the time. I don't like the adult stuff.

[A]

Why don't you like the adult stuff?

[B]

When I'm. I want to get something and they say, use your card. No, if I wanted to use my card, I wouldn't ask you. That's why I asked Dad. I asked dad for a $20 t shirt the other day. He goes, use your card. I said, if I was gonna use my card, I wouldn't have asked you in the first place.

[A]

Then there's that. Welcome to adulthood, Grayson.

[B]

Yeah, it's not nice.

[A]

I mean, it's pretty great. It's awesome. It's terrible. Don't be an adult. Any kids listening? If you're in the car with your parents, you do not want to be an adult. It is a lot of frustration, disappointment, money.

[B]

There's a Saying I like, you know, life is a shit show interrupted by brief moments of happiness and good things.

[A]

That is actually really good. I have never heard that.

[B]

I think that's the most true quote I've ever heard in my life.

[A]

What was it again?

[B]

Life is a shit show interrupted by brief moments of happiness.

[A]

That is actually really true. And it kind of gives me goosebumps. It's sad that that's true, but I'm going to make my goal be, life is full of happiness interrupted by brief moments of a shit show. We're gonna change that.

[B]

And I think my problem is, is I'm sometimes too realistic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think if I was more naive.

[A]

You're Debbie Daddy a little bit.

[B]

I would be a lot. I'd be over the moon every day. But I think I'm so realistic and think about stuff so much that it is a shit show interrupted by brief moments.

[A]

Well, we're gonna try to change that. We just need you to hurry up. Graduate college.

[B]

See, that's the thing is, I don't want to change it.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Okay, well, then we're gonna let you love this dysfunctional chaos. I am looking to live a life that is not chaotic and dysfunctional.

[B]

I like to think if I do it now, I won't have to do it later.

[A]

Well, that's a good way to think. That's a good way to think. A good way to be.

[B]

If I do it now, I work my ass off. Once I. Once I get out of school, I do everything I gotta do. By the time I'm 50, you'll be done.

[A]

Maybe earlier, we'll be sailing away.

[B]

I'll be done. Won't have to do another thing. The rest of my life.

[A]

Your kids are gonna love me and.

[B]

I'll be able to look back. I'm happy. I spent those, you know, as soon as I got out of school, spent that time, did that. Now I can enjoy my life because I've always had. One of my biggest fears was not being able to give my kids more than what I had. And that would be a lot.

[A]

Well, if anybody can do it, you can do it.

[B]

We're the only two as of now.

[A]

As of now. But you and me. Come on, you and me. My kids are gonna love you, too. You're gonna be a good. You're gonna be a fun uncle.

[B]

I'm gonna try to be.

[A]

I mean, if I ever have kids, that is.

[B]

It'll happen eventually.

[A]

Who knows?

[B]

We just don't know when.

[A]

Yeah. Just don't know when.

[B]

Yeah. It'll happen eventually.

[A]

Eventually. Do you have faith in me?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, look at what you pulled off.

[A]

Well, yeah, I just meant, like, am I gonna get married? Am I gonna have kids? What is gonna happen? What do you see happening in my life? If you could just guess, like, do.

[B]

I get married in two different ways? I've weighed two different possibilities in my head about you.

[A]

Okay, let's hear them. Let's end it on.

[B]

This one was you've spent your time raising kids, and you don't necessarily have the desire to do it all again. But on the other hand, it's like they also weren't your own.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I feel like a part of you wonders how much different would it be with mine.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It'd be totally different with my own. But you are right. That's why I think now I'm just like, all right, let me have fun. Because I have been raising kids. But I do know, like, I definitely want my own kids, but if I'm gonna do it, I need to do it soon because I don't want to be in my 30s having kids. I want to be.

[B]

I don't. I think.

[A]

You think I'm gonna get married and then have kids or have kids and then get married.

[B]

No, I think you'll get married, then have kids, but I think you'll get married because you're having kids.

[A]

Then there is that. That needs to be a social post. Then there is that. So you're saying I'm gonna get pregnant and then get married?

[B]

Yeah, I could see it happening.

[A]

No, I'm not just gonna get married just because I'm pregnant. You don't ever just get married because you're pregnant.

[B]

I know a lot of people that have done that.

[A]

I know. It's just not a smart move.

[B]

I see kids now that I've known for years, post an engagement pictures. I saw a Damn.

[A]

You know.

[B]

You going to believe this? I got to tell you this. A girl posted on her Snapchat story a promise ring.

[A]

Huh?

[B]

A promise ring.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I've never seen some like that.

[A]

What do you mean? Yeah, like, what does that even mean anymore? Like, I remember in, like, middle school.

[B]

Basically, an engagement ring before. An engagement ring?

[A]

That's so stupid. Yeah, that's so dumb.

[B]

I don't get it, but.

[A]

So you don't believe in promise rings? I don't believe in them either. A promise ring to me is going to be a big rock on my finger.

[B]

Both of us, we somehow manage, you know, God forbid, get in a Relationship that like, nobody knows the person or like, you know, it's not some sort of screwed up relationship. But we can't do it.

[A]

No, we can't do it. We can't do it.

[B]

Even me. I can't do it.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

You know what? Fuck it. I'm just gonna say it.

[A]

What?

[B]

So the girl I like is one of my ex girlfriend's friends.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

But I heard the way that my ex girlfriend talked about her and I was telling her, I was like, she's not your friend by the way that she talks about you. But they're also living together.

[A]

Oh, you're about to go into. So not only have you not moved into school yet, but you're about to move into the lion's den.

[B]

Guess when they move in August 1st.

[A]

Are they by you? No, down the street. Well, at least they're down the street. Not in the same apartment complex.

[B]

It's. I've already.

[A]

Dude, you need to learn. Don't where you eat. I learned that when I lived in my first condo here in Nashville and I started dating the guy I met in the mail room who lived in my building. Terrible idea. Don't do it, guys. Do not do it. It is terrible. You break up, then you have to move. It's just a. It's a thing.

[B]

I'm just. I made the mistake. You know, they always say you gotta see the friends first. Make sure you picked the right one.

[A]

What?

[B]

I did not.

[A]

I have never heard of that.

[B]

You never heard of that?

[A]

No.

[B]

Make sure you see your friends first. And make sure before you get in a relationship that it's the right one. Like the most attractive one. The best. Best one. I didn't do that.

[A]

Okay, well, then there's that. God bless Grayson. And this next year at the University of Alabama, it seems like it's going to be very eventful for the kid. Very eventful.

[B]

Roll Tide.

[A]

Me, on the other hand, my. I choose good relationships with no drama, no nothing.

[B]

You can't even say that with a straight face.

[A]

Terrible. Terrible. It's always something. It's always something. I think I just like a little brother broken, you know? I mean, a little brokenness.

[B]

I don't know. I feel like we also like the drama in a very toxic way.

[A]

Yeah. I'm tired of the toxicity. I'm gonna marry someone much, much older than me and gonna have a peaceful life and a child.

[B]

You know that's not true.

[A]

What?

[B]

You know, deep down you love it. That's part of the attraction.

[A]

No, but I want A peaceful life.

[B]

You know deep down that that drama is a part of the attraction.

[A]

Not really. I think I've wait till you get 10 years older than what you are now, and then you will finally reach a point where your whole life has been chaos and drama. That you're like, my system can't take it anymore. I just need peace and like, channel your frustration and fun stuff. Not to chaos. Just saying. But until next time when you come home. You know, Grace and I've said I need to do a podcast from University of Alabama. We may try to do that on a game day weekend. That would be fun.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do it on a game day weekend, and I'm gonna go have some fun with Grayson at the University of Alabama. He'll come home. Are you gonna stay with mom and dad? Are you gonna stay with me when you come home?

[B]

You. I've been thinking about starting quick. You've been thinking about starting a YouTube channel at school?

[A]

Oh, God, that seems like a terrible.

[B]

Vlogging throughout the day. I mean, look at the Nelk boys. They turned it into a business empire off of a YouTube channel of a few friends vlogging each other.

[A]

Yeah. Just please don't get in trouble.

[B]

I won't.

[A]

No trouble. All right. Well, I love you. Thank you.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

Be good. Don't get in trouble. Try not to miss me too much.

[B]

I'll try.

[A]

But if you get in trouble, just remember, call me.

[B]

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