Encore: Growing Up Too Fast (feat. Chloe Chrisley)

Summary

Podcast Summary:

Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley
Episode: Encore: Growing Up Too Fast (feat. Chloe Chrisley)
Release Date: June 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley" features an intimate and humorous conversation between Savannah (called Julie in this transcript, but this appears to be Savannah) and her younger sister, Chloe Chrisley. The episode centers around Chloe’s experiences growing up in the spotlight, adjusting to dramatic family changes, and navigating adolescence after Savannah became her primary guardian while their parents were away. It's a candid look at life as a pre-teen in a high-profile, blended family and how Chloe processes everything from school drama to questions of identity and resilience.

Tone: The vibe is playful yet deeply honest, with moments of laughter punctuating vulnerable reflections about family, growing up, and self-acceptance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chloe's School Life and Challenges of Being 13

• School Experiences:

  • Chloe admits school isn’t her favorite ("Do you love school? No. No?" – Chloe, 02:01), but celebrates her successes, such as passing math with an 88.
  • She remarks on the increased cruelty among peers as they become teenagers, noting, "Some kids are mean now." (03:10)

• Dealing with Bullying:

  • Chloe shares an incident where a classmate physically hit her, and how she stood up for herself the next day:

    "Just so you know, this is one warning, but if you hit me one more time, you better watch out." (03:36)

  • She also describes how mean comments about her family situation affected her emotional well-being.

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2. Processing Difficult Events and Growing Up Fast

• Impact of Tragedy in the News:

  • Chloe talks about the school community’s reaction to the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the lack of support from teachers:

    "When someone dies… it’s not a joke." (05:27)

  • She was troubled that teachers avoided the topic:

    "I was kind of lost... I don't get why we wouldn't talk about it." (06:43)

• Family Upheaval (Parents Away, Savannah as Guardian):

  • Chloe shares candidly about feeling forced to mature quickly:

    "You did have to grow up a lot faster." – Julie/Savannah
    "Yeah, kind of." – Chloe (07:36)

  • She describes taking on more responsibilities at home and helping Grayson and Savannah with chores like laundry.

• Adoption & Identity:

  • Chloe expresses comfort with her adoption, feeling no significant difference between her current family and her biological one:

    "No, it doesn't make a difference… I just call them my parents." (09:04–09:41)

  • On how others perceive her family:

    "'Isn’t your parents your grandparents?' I was like, no, I was adopted." (09:27)

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3. Family Dynamics: Support, Sibling Bonds, and Adjustment

• Favorite Sibling:

  • When asked her favorite, Chloe’s quick to say Grayson, teasing Savannah for being a close second: (10:57)

• Adjusting to Change:

  • Chloe discusses reshuffling routines once her parents returned home and how each family member played differing parenting roles:

    "Was it difficult to adjust having me as your sister, then become your parent?"
    "Not really. I feel like it was the same." (25:14)

  • Admits there was resistance at first (“You’re not my mom! You can’t tell me what to do!”), but grew to respect Savannah’s leadership.

• Savannah as a Guardian:

  • Chloe says Savannah taught her about respect and strength:

    "I say respect… I feel like you're a lot more strict with respect…" (23:48)

    • Savannah underscores the lesson:

      "You can be a female and you can still be strong and powerful and work and provide for your family and not take crap from a man." (24:25)

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4. Resilience, Humor, and Coping

• Dark Humor and Emotional Coping:

  • Chloe often uses humor for difficult moments:

    "I'm usually not the bigger person in big situations because I usually laugh at them." (29:52)

  • Savannah acknowledges this as a way both Chloe and Grayson coped with family upheaval.

• Handling Bullying About Family:

  • Chloe shares standing her ground when kids made fun of her situation:

    "Don’t you dare talk about my family one more time. If I hear you talking about my family around here one more time, watch and see what happens." (31:26)

  • The principal supported her, which Savannah applauded.

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5. Self-Acceptance and Personal Style

• Hair and Self-Image:
  • A listener question about her natural hair leads Chloe to reflect on self-acceptance and family support:

    "Y’all make me try to wear my hair down. I'm like, no…" (14:20)

• Fashion & Trends:
  • She critiques trends and prefers her own style:

    "I don't go based off of trends. At this point, they're not worth it." (21:31)

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6. Lighthearted Q&A and Memorable Stories

• Favorite Things about Siblings and Parents:
  • She jokes about Savannah (“You buy me stuff… We go on good trips.” – 20:34) and calls her dad “funny” (21:13).
• Middle School Stories & Family Memories:
  • Shares funny moments like being dragged to the casino by Nanny Faye (22:32) and teasing Savannah’s sourdough obsession (“Oh, let’s make some more. Like, chill out, please!” – 32:07).
• Being Proud of Each Other:
  • Chloe says she’s especially proud when her parents were brought home (29:00); Savannah highlights her pride in Chloe and Grayson for finding joy and laughter during hardship (29:07).

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7. The Future and Life Lessons

• Chloe's Ambitions:

  • She jokes about joining the military but ultimately just wants to "be a person" and enjoy life (26:35).

• Living Together in Old Age:

  • Humorous exchange about Savannah moving in with Chloe when they’re old (“Both of us old people cannot be living under the same room!” – 27:51).

• Key Perspectives on Adversity:

  • Savannah ends with wisdom:

    "If the first part of your life is challenging, the second part is gonna be amazing." (33:30)

  • Chloe agrees, feeling prepared for whatever comes next:

    "Yeah, 'cause then you're just like, oh, it's chill." (33:50)

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Memorable Quotes

• Chloe on Mean Kids:

  "Some kids are mean now… because everyone's like going into teenagers, so then they're just meaner." (03:10)

• Chloe on Family Changes:

  "To you it’s not big of a deal because your parents are home, but mine aren’t." (07:51)

• Chloe on Adoption:

  "No, it doesn't make a difference… I just call them my parents." (09:04)

• Chloe’s Proud Moment:

  "Getting mom, dad, homes. That’s just a big one." (29:00)

• Savannah’s Proud Moment:

  "Life is really hard… but I am so proud of them for still trying to live life and laughing and smiling..." (29:07)

• Chloe’s Coping:

  "I'm usually not the bigger person in big situations because I usually laugh at them." (29:52)

• Savannah on Life’s Challenges:

  "If the first part of your life is challenging, the second part is gonna be amazing." (33:30)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:30: Chloe jokes about "taking over" as host, setting the playful tone.
• 03:10–03:52: Chloe discusses mean peers and a school altercation.
• 05:14–07:14: Chloe reflects on the community’s reaction to Charlie Kirk’s death and lack of support at school.
• 07:36–08:26: Chloe recounts growing up faster while Savannah was guardian post-parents’ absence.
• 09:04–10:16: Candid talk about adoption, family labels, and identity.
• 12:00–13:36: Family returns home — Chloe’s hesitant, emotional reaction to her parents’ pardon.
• 14:03–14:29: Chloe and Savannah talk about Chloe’s hair and family acceptance of her style decisions.
• 25:14–26:00: Adjusting from sibling-to-parent role; new routines after parents return.
• 29:00–29:07: Both share moments of pride for one another.
• 31:07–31:46: Chloe stands up for herself at school, principal shows support.
• 32:07–32:38: Chloe reminisces about Savannah’s sourdough phase, a lighthearted family memory.
• 33:30–33:50: Reflections on overcoming early life challenges and facing the future with confidence.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a touching, funny, and authentic conversation about resilience, growth, and the complexities of modern family life. Chloe’s openness about bullying, family trauma, growing up in the public eye, and her sense of humor about it all make for a memorable episode. Savannah’s supportive, big-sister energy and their candid bond shine as they tackle serious questions with both wisdom and laughter. The episode affirms the power of family, self-acceptance, and finding humor amidst adversity.

Transcript

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[Chloe]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked with your host, Chloe.

[Julie]

Oh, so now you're taking over my podcast?

[Chloe]

Yeah, technically.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Really?

[Chloe]

Now I'm here. I'm the host.

[Julie]

Okay, so when you're here, you're the host?

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

You think people like you better?

[Chloe]

Yeah, I'm mostly the party leader. So.

[Julie]

You're mostly the party leader?

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

I'm dying. That is hilarious. So how is life, Chloe?

[Chloe]

I guess good.

[Julie]

You guess?

[Chloe]

I mean, school.

[Julie]

Do you love school? No. No?

[Chloe]

No.

[Julie]

Why?

[Chloe]

Some classes are harder than others.

[Julie]

And you're not really a straight A student, are ya? No, but you try.

[Chloe]

At least I'm passing.

[Julie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Some. Most.

[Julie]

Okay. Well, as long as you pass. Okay. Well, you know what? We're making progress. Okay. And you try. Yeah, I'm passing math, so that's a shock.

[Chloe]

I made it 88.

[Julie]

Way to go.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I know.

[Julie]

Way to go.

[Chloe]

Just like that.

[Julie]

That's awesome. I'm so proud of you.

[Chloe]

Thanks.

[Julie]

So, Chloe, I asked people to give us some questions that they want to hear from when it comes to you, so I'll go through those first. But I need you to explain to us what it's like being 13 in today's day and age. Well,

[Chloe]

I want to say terrible, but it's not the Best. Some kids are mean now.

[Julie]

They're mean?

[Chloe]

Yeah, because everyone's like going into teenagers, so then they're just meaner.

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[Julie]

What have you had to deal with recently?

[Chloe]

Some girl hit me at school the other day.

[Julie]

Excuse me?

[Chloe]

And then Nesta hit me in the face. Then I told her. I went to go.

[Julie]

What do you mean she hit you in the face?

[Chloe]

She didn't hit me in the face.

[Julie]

Okay. Where'd she hit you?

[Chloe]

Well, on my body. And then I went up to her the next day at school. I said, just so you know, this is one warning, but if you hit me one more time, you better watch out. And she goes, I didn't hit you. And then walked away.

[Julie]

Okay, well, you didn't just make it up.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Go tell mom and dad.

[Julie]

You went and told mom and dad?

[Chloe]

Yeah. Dad was mad.

[Julie]

Yeah. I would have been mad, too, if I would have known that. I would have been up in that office. And you know that.

[Chloe]

Yeah. That's why I didn't tell you.

[Julie]

Cause, you know, did I make trips to the office?

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Let's not say a lot.

[Julie]

Whenever. Are you embarrassed by how I parented you?

[Chloe]

I mean, not really.

[Julie]

No.

[Chloe]

No. You taught me well. Thank you. I'm not disrespectful. I mean, I will when I want to be, but.

[Julie]

Well, I tried to teach you to the best of my abilities.

[Chloe]

I mean. Yeah, you did a good job, I guess.

[Julie]

Aw, that's so sweet.

[Chloe]

You're welcome.

[Julie]

I love that. Okay, so when it comes to.

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I have a question.

[Julie]

Cause you haven't come on in a really long time. So you. You remember whenever we had Charlie Kirk, who was assassinated?

[Chloe]

Oh, that was bad.

[Julie]

Yeah. And how did. Cause I don't think people really realize how that affected kids. And, like, people that were your age. How do you remember, like, when you saw that, how it made you feel?

[Chloe]

I was like, oh. Because then people are telling me about. And I was like, oh, whoa. And then some kids started, like, watching the videos, and I was like, oh, this is not okay.

[Julie]

No.

[Chloe]

And then everyone just started making jokes about at school and stuff. And then it would turn into, like, just people joking around about it. And now it's like, it's not a joke when someone dies.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And then they're like, oh, yeah, well,

[Julie]

thank you for being that kid that calls other people out, because that's what needs to happen. And do you remember whenever I. I think I picked you up from school when all this mess was going on, and you said you were confused at why none of your teachers offered any help?

[Chloe]

We're talking about it when he died. Oh, yeah. Our Sosa's teacher was allowed to talk about it. And then I asked him. I was like, weren't we supposed to talk about him today? He goes, actually, no, I changed my mind. We're not talking about him anymore. I was like, oh, okay.

[Julie]

And that was a hard thing. Was that a hard thing to process?

[Chloe]

Yeah, kind of.

[Julie]

I mean, someone died, and we're not speaking about it.

[Chloe]

No.

[Julie]

And someone who was very influential to people.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

I always. I thought it was interesting when I heard your point of view, because when you were in the car, you were very, like. You seemed very passionate about it, and you were like, I don't get why we wouldn't talk about it.

[Chloe]

I was kind of lost.

[Julie]

And I asked, did they provide. Offer you guys, like, a safe space to talk about your feelings?

[Chloe]

Yeah, kind of.

[Julie]

But it was after. Yeah.

[Chloe]

Yeah. But we wouldn't be able to talk about him because we're not allowed to talk about politics and stuff at school. And I'm like, okay.

[Julie]

Mm. But there was other conversations of politics going on at your school.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

So. But they didn't offer any kind of mental health treatment until a week or two after. See, that's. And that's the hard part is seeing how kids are affected by it. But I think I can sit and have a conversation with you because you. You did have to grow up a lot faster. Do you feel like you did?

[Chloe]

Yeah, kind of.

[Julie]

Yeah. In what way?

[Chloe]

What do you mean?

[Julie]

Like, how do you. What? How do you feel like you had to grow up faster? Or I guess a better way to phrase the question is, like, mom and dad going away.

[Chloe]

Oh, yeah, that was one. Because then you would have to go through it. But then other kids usually just think it's like, oh, it's not that big of a deal. And then I'm like, well, to you, it's not big of a deal because your parents are home, but mine aren't.

[Julie]

Yeah. And so that was really hard for you, and you had to grow up quicker because you did have to do more adult things.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Because it was just you, me, and Grayson, and there was times to where I needed help. So you are helping to do laundry and stuff around.

[Chloe]

I'm the best at laundry, so.

[Julie]

You really are.

[Chloe]

That's why I do laundry.

[Julie]

You are the best. I've never. Like, you can fold, you sort it, you wash it. You are very particular about how you like to wash your clothes. I think it's a great thing. And so when that was some of the questions that people had, some of them were surrounding mom and dad. But do you feel I have a question? One of the questions? Well, a lot of people ask this, so I was trying to find the right way to frame it. Cause I asked a lot of things surrounding it. Do you feel like book because you were adopted, that you felt different or had to grow up faster?

[Chloe]

No. No, it doesn't make a difference. See, like, if I was with my other side of the family, it wouldn't make a difference, really. It would just be a little different. Yeah, it's just different. But not really.

[Julie]

Not really a lot. And do that's the thing is, like, how do you react whenever people call dad, like, oh, that's your grandpa.

[Chloe]

Oh, a kid said that to me the other day. I was at some gay. Oh, isn't your parents your grandparents? I was like, no, I was adopted.

[Julie]

I mean, I guess technically, but, like, you're adopted, so.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I just said, well, I'm adopted, so. Yeah, I mean, I just call them my parents.

[Julie]

You know, like, when you hear the word dad, who do you instantly think of? Dad. Our dad.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

And when you hear the word mom, who do you instantly think of?

[Chloe]

Our mom.

[Julie]

Yeah. So. And that's the only life that you've ever really known, right?

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Like, do you remember people had asked me if you remembered any life other than mom and dad?

[Chloe]

No. No, not really.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

I mean, I was just such babies. So there's really nothing to remember. No.

[Julie]

And all. But it's funny, though, because you've gotten into this habit now to where you make all these little stickers and you constantly send them, and it's like all these pictures of you as a baby, and it is the cutest thing ever. You were so sweet.

[Chloe]

I just made them all.

[Julie]

I love that. Some of the questions are, let's see. Who is your favorite sibling?

[Chloe]

Oh, God.

[Julie]

You can be honest.

[Chloe]

You won't get mad.

[Julie]

I won't get mad.

[Chloe]

Grayson.

[Julie]

Well, I already knew that.

[Chloe]

But then you come in, like, a close. Like, you're like. With Grayson. Chase's.

[Julie]

Chase is the last. Yeah, it's okay.

[Chloe]

But you and I really bond with Chase a lot.

[Julie]

Really?

[Chloe]

No, I just bond with Grayson. And you.

[Julie]

Well, you and Grayson have always been, like, tight.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Because when mom and dad were gone, Yalls rooms were right next to each other.

[Chloe]

From each other.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Hey, what's up?

[Julie]

Hey, what's up? And you would wake him up.

[Chloe]

He never wakes up.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

I have to like, slap him sometimes.

[Julie]

Yeah. So you would wake him up and y' all would just spend a lot of quality time together.

[Chloe]

Let's see.

[Julie]

How are you feeling about your parents being back home?

[Chloe]

It's like the same.

[Julie]

It's the same as, like, before they left.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Because then I'll be able to see them. So really it's just like the same, except they're in the house.

[Julie]

People wanted to know how you found out that mom and dad were getting pardoned.

[Chloe]

I found out, I think from you. Right?

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

It was like one day and then you came in. You, like, kind of crying. I was like. I was trying not to laugh because I always laugh when people cry.

[Julie]

So I was like, yeah, I think that's a trauma response, but we'll deal with that a little later in life.

[Chloe]

I was like, you alright? And then you're like, mom and dad are coming home. I was like, you joking? No. I was like, oh, that's great. Cause I know what to say. Cause people always put me on the spot and I'm like, oh, that's amazing.

[Julie]

But you. You didn't. But then you said, I'm not gonna get my hopes up until I see it.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Because then they would say, they're coming home. Then they didn't. So I was like.

[Julie]

So you were very hesitant.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Cause I was like, last time I got my hopes up.

[Julie]

And I was like, then it didn't happen.

[Chloe]

Exactly. So now I was just waiting there patiently.

[Julie]

And so when you saw mom for the first time. Cause I wasn't there. What was that like?

[Chloe]

It was good.

[Julie]

Were you, like, emotional?

[Chloe]

No, I don't get emotional. I mean, I do, but I don't like to cry a lot. I mean, it was pretty nice. We got a little group hug. Natty Faye was like, move out the way. I was like, okay. She was like, come here, Julie.

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[Julie]

But when? And then you kept texting me and calling, do you have dad yet? Do you have dad yet? And I'm like, no, I will call you when I have him. Cause I think in the back of your mind, you still thought they weren't coming home.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I did.

[Julie]

Okay. How do you feel about this? Is somebody trying to throw some shade?

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Julie]

How do you feel about your natural hair? Do they make you feel like your hair isn't pretty?

[Chloe]

What type of hair this woman have? That's my question. Does she like hers?

[Julie]

Do you like your hair?

[Chloe]

Kinda. I mean, yeah, but it's hard to manage.

[Julie]

It's hard to manage sometimes because then

[Chloe]

if I Wear it down. It gets frizzy too fast.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

So I have to wear it. Right.

[Julie]

So. And whenever she said they, she refers to us as your family. How do we make you feel about it? Good.

[Chloe]

Y' all make me try to wear my hair down. I'm like, no.

[Julie]

Exactly. And we let you do whatever you want to do with your hair.

[Chloe]

Exactly.

[Julie]

Whether it's straight or curly or. I wish I had the curls. You know, I've said that forever. My hair is bone straight.

[Chloe]

You can use some curl, but it's okay. We like that for you.

[Julie]

Well, I wish I had your hair.

[Chloe]

Hi, diva.

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[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah, hi.

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Quick question.

[Chloe]

Why are you not spending your Venmo balance?

[Julie]

Yeah, we're concerned you can, like, buy stuff with it. You love buying stuff and earn cash back on eligible purchases. You love purchasing eligible things.

[Chloe]

So the money your friend sent you yesterday, that's today's ramen or rideshare or eye patches.

[Julie]

The skincare kind, not the pyro kind.

[Chloe]

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[Julie]

Does Julie still let her eat McDonald's? Does she? Did you have it on the way over here?

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

No.

[Chloe]

No, I had a sandwich on 51st Deli.

[Julie]

Okay. You didn't answer my question.

[Chloe]

Yeah, sometimes.

[Julie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

I mean, if I'm hungry from school,

[Julie]

you know how bad that is for you?

[Chloe]

It's fries, Savannah. They're made from potatoes.

[Julie]

Who was stricter on you, mom and dad or me?

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You.

[Chloe]

Me? You wouldn't let me eat McDonald's because, I mean, it's bad for you. But if it was your last choice, I mean, I would pick McDonald's personally.

[Julie]

Okay. Who is your go to sibling when you need something?

[Chloe]

Like if you would text him if you need something.

[Julie]

Yeah. Or if, like, you wanted something to be bought for you, I would say you.

[Chloe]

But like, usually you don't answer fast, but sometimes you do. It just depends. Like, sometimes I'll text you, you don't answer the next day. But that's fine. I think you.

[Julie]

Me probably. I normally always answer you. I'm just not used to you really having a phone.

[Chloe]

Okay, dad said he's gonna take it back, but he hasn't yet.

[Julie]

What'd you do this time?

[Chloe]

That's a good question. I don't really know what I did.

[Julie]

What'd you do?

[Chloe]

I didn't do anything.

[Julie]

Oh, so he's gonna take it for no reason?

[Chloe]

Yes, totally. He did. Apparently I was being disrespectful, which I wasn't. I was being calm with mom because she always yells at me and then I try not to laugh because it's low key kind of funny.

[Julie]

Okay, well, first off, I. You gotta keep in mind who you're talking to. I helped raise you for two and a half years and I know you've got a little mouth on you.

[Chloe]

No, but I didn't say anything this time. I let her talk and let her finish. So I was supposed to read this word that I didn't know. I barely know English. Okay. So then I was like, I don't know that word. And then she goes, I read the word. I said, I don't know the word. She goes, I told you to read the word. And then I was like, well, I don't know the word. And then mom came in from grocery shop and then she was like, oh, how did your tutoring go?

[Julie]

I said, oh, good, now you can be disrespectful. I know that.

[Chloe]

And then mom started yelling at me and then I got in trouble. I didn't even do anything.

[Julie]

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[Chloe]

That's a hard one. I'm kidding. I mean, you're nice. You buy me stuff, you take me places to hang out.

[Julie]

We go on good trips.

[Chloe]

Yeah, that's for sure.

[Julie]

You're due for one.

[Chloe]

Yeah. To Caitlin.

[Julie]

We're going this summer.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Yeah.

[Julie]

What is your favorite thing about dad?

[Chloe]

Are you serious right now?

[Julie]

Yeah. So someone asked.

[Chloe]

That's a hard one.

[Julie]

What's your favorite thing?

[Chloe]

I don't know. I guess he's nice. Sometimes I can. Oh, he's funny. That's fun.

[Julie]

He is funny. He is funny. What's her current style like and what trends does she like?

[Chloe]

I don't go based off of trends. At this point, they're not worth it.

[Julie]

The trends aren't worth it. You heard it first.

[Chloe]

No, because there's this one trend, and it's you. It's like the Utah one. It's. It's not good. They just curl their hair and there's like a line through their hair.

[Julie]

What?

[Chloe]

Have you not seen it?

[Julie]

No.

[Chloe]

It's bad.

[Julie]

Oh, that sounds terrible.

[Chloe]

Yeah, much. That you later.

[Julie]

Some of these questions. People are crazy. What's middle school like for you?

[Chloe]

Awful. That's.

[Julie]

That's terrible.

[Chloe]

I mean, middle school's just middle school, and then seventh grade, you're stuck in the middle. So then it's just.

[Julie]

You're kind of.

[Chloe]

It's just.

[Julie]

It's like being the middle child.

[Chloe]

Yeah. It's like. It's hard, but then it's like a repeat of sixth grade.

[Julie]

Yeah. What is her best nanny face story?

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[Chloe]

probably when she dragged me to the casino on time, she goes, you know what we're gonna do Thursday? I said, what? She goes, we're going to the casino. I said, I'm not going. And she wakes up the next morning, starts dragging me to the casino.

[Julie]

And the truth is, there. They always used to do that with us as kids, her and papa Jade. Yeah. Always used to do that also the other day, I heard that you and Nanny were talking about me going on the View.

[Chloe]

I don't even know what the View is, so.

[Julie]

Well, it's that TV show where there's those women who mom going, no, this is just me going on the View. And Nanny said she was afraid because they were all going to be mean to me.

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Oh.

[Chloe]

I said, well, they don't know what they're dealing with, I think, or something like that. Yeah.

[Julie]

You said, well, they don't know what they're getting themselves into.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Cause will I take their crap?

[Chloe]

No.

[Julie]

No. You've seen me in action.

[Chloe]

Yeah. It's like a different person.

[Julie]

What would you say is one of the biggest things you learned from me over the past two and a half years when it was just me, you and Gray?

[Chloe]

I say respect.

[Julie]

Really?

[Chloe]

I mean, I had respect with mom and dad, but I feel like you're a lot more strict with respect because you'd be like, be nice to this person. I was like, okay, so I'm not usually a person.

[Julie]

You're not usually like a people person.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

So you would say I taught you respect. What would you say looking at me and, like, everything that I did, how does that make you view me?

[Chloe]

Kind, I guess.

[Julie]

And does it kind of show you? Because I think one of the biggest things I wanted to teach you was you can be a female and you can still be strong and powerful and work and provide for your family and not take crap from a man.

[Chloe]

Yeah, you taught me that, too.

[Julie]

Yeah. I've always wanted you to grow up and feel confident in yourself and love who you are and know that if someone's in your life, it's because you want them there and not because you need them.

[Chloe]

True.

[Julie]

Yeah. That was the biggest thing for me. Was it difficult to adjust having me as your sister, then become your parent?

[Chloe]

Not really. I feel like it was the same, except we would see. I would see you more often if we were living in the same house.

[Julie]

But it was kind of hard because you remember at the beginning, you would be like, you're not my mom. You can't tell me what to do.

[Chloe]

Those are some valid crash outs, though.

[Julie]

Those are some valid crash outs.

[Chloe]

Those were bad, though, too.

[Julie]

Those are bad. Those were bad crash outs. And was it hard when mom and dad came back home? Because, like you, me and Grayson, we had our own routine and our own way of doing things.

[Chloe]

I mean, not really, except they just changed some stuff in their ways.

[Julie]

Yeah. So it was just a different. You had to get Used to a new routine and a new way of doing things.

[Chloe]

Weaning every day, like, cleaning every day, like, I don't want to clean. Oh, I forgot to clean my room when I get back. I have it.

[Julie]

You have it? Is it bad? You think you're going to get in trouble?

[Chloe]

No, because we haven't been home for two weeks. It's just clothes from Natty Faye's house. And then I supposed to make my

[Julie]

bed yesterday, but I. Yeah, because you haven't had power. Yeah, you forgot.

[Chloe]

Mm. I could use that one.

[Julie]

Mm. What do you want to be when you grow up?

[Chloe]

A person. Like, what. What, 13?

[Julie]

You don't know what you want to do for a job. For a job, I'll go join the military. No, to be very disciplined. You fight for your country. You.

[Chloe]

I'm not fighting for everybody, okay? Fight for myself.

[Julie]

So maybe you just be a normal. You know, just. Just be a young woman and find something you love doing.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Yeah, I think that's enjoying the military. Okay. I mean, hey, I would support you if that's what you wanted to do.

[Chloe]

I'm serving myself.

[Julie]

So are you going to let Savannah move in with you when she gets old?

[Chloe]

Maybe.

[Julie]

Maybe.

[Chloe]

What if old are you?

[Julie]

Okay, 28.

[Chloe]

There ain't no way you had to count that.

[Julie]

I'm 28.

[Chloe]

Okay, so what, like, what type of old? Like, like.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

How old would I be?

[Julie]

Well, what, you're 13. I'm 28. So 15 years. Age difference?

[Chloe]

Like four years?

[Julie]

No. Well, I'm 80. Wait, like 15 if I'm 50 or 60.

[Chloe]

Something, right?

[Julie]

If I'm 80, you're gonna be 65.

[Chloe]

Both of us old people cannot be

[Julie]

living under the same room.

[Chloe]

Hold on. Paul's. I'm gonna still be single, and you're gonna be over here. No, I can't.

[Julie]

We'll just be like Velma and Shirley. It'll be great. No, we will be wreaking havoc on everyone.

[Chloe]

We could be eating caviar.

[Julie]

We could.

[Chloe]

Okay, I'll let you move in.

[Julie]

See, that's. That's one thing I taught you. Some of the finer taste in life. Caviar.

[Chloe]

That's a good one.

[Julie]

That. That's great. Yeah. You love your caviar. Yeah. So, okay, what's a moment where you felt especially proud of each other? So that's a comment. That's a question for both of us. When was a moment that you looked at me and you felt proud?

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

Hmm?

[Chloe]

This is hard. Hold on.

[Julie]

It's hard. I can automatically think of one I

[Chloe]

could think of some by trying to pick one.

[Julie]

Give me.

[Chloe]

I mean, get gay mom, dad, homes. One.

[Julie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

I guess that's. That's just a big one.

[Julie]

That's a big one.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

And so I would say when I felt especially proud of you was after mom and dad left, it took a little bit to kind of get in our groove of things. But there's a picture I have on my phone of you and Grayson, and we're at dinner, and you both are looking at each other and you're smiling and laughing. And I remember looking at you two and getting tears in my eyes and thinking, life is really hard right now for these two kids, but I am so proud of them for still trying to live life and laughing and smiling and making the best of every situation. Because I feel like you did a really good job at that.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I'm usually not the bigger person in big situations because I usually laugh at them.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

I don't really cry a lot, so I just make fun of it sometimes. Oh, I'm so sorry for you.

[Julie]

Well, yeah. You and Grayson used dark humor a lot.

[Chloe]

Exactly.

[Julie]

A lot. How did kids. Someone asked how kids reacted to you with mom and dad in prison?

[Chloe]

I guess like the same. Besides, when one kid made fun of me for at school one time.

[Julie]

And how did it make you feel?

[Chloe]

I mean, I just went and got Grayson, so it was pretty chill.

[Julie]

You went and got Grayson? Grayson was mad, but it hurt your feelings.

[Chloe]

It did, because I think I ran off crying.

[Julie]

Yeah. And that's. I think that's so important to point out is kids being mean to each other, what impact it can make.

[Chloe]

You know, it makes a big difference

[Julie]

because it can make you. I know there was times where you were very anxiety filled and depressed because of things that kids would say, and it just. You were a different person. When someone's mean to you, it can change who you are as a kid.

[Chloe]

Kids make me mad.

[Julie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

I don't like kids.

[Julie]

But you did. I remember you got. The principal called me up to the school one day. Because a kid was mean to you in class.

[Chloe]

I loved science class. And I did my job and put my foot on the ground, and my teacher got mad at me.

[Julie]

What'd you say again?

[Chloe]

I said, don't you dare talk about my family one more time. If I hear you talking about my family around here one more time, watch and see what happens. And then my teacher got mad at me for talking.

[Julie]

Well, the principal was not mad and was like, you know what? I'm proud of her. For standing her ground. The kids should have never made fun of the fact that her parents weren't here.

[Chloe]

Exactly.

[Julie]

So, principal, you got a shout out for me. I loved you from that moment forward. All right, let's see. We're going to do one more question, and that is, what do you miss about living with Savannah?

[Chloe]

Probably baking. Then you would, like, cook a lot. And then when you got your sourdough, that was so bad. That was a problem. Savannah.

[Julie]

Oh, God, I would make so much sourdough.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Oh, let's make some cookies. Let's make some more mouth. Like, chill out, please. Every day there would be something new on the counter. I was like, someone help me, please.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

I know.

[Julie]

And then you would have, like, the sourdough in the morning with butter in.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

I was like, cinnamon sugar.

[Chloe]

That was good.

[Julie]

Yeah. You love some bread.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I still love bread. That's a cheesecake factory bread.

[Julie]

Oh, my God. That is hilarious. So is there anything you want the world to know about you? Hmm. Yes. No. Maybe. These kids in this 6, 7 thing,

[Chloe]

I'm like, oh, just do it one time.

[Hospice Nurse Julie]

What?

[Chloe]

Say it.

[Julie]

What? Six, seven, Good job. That's what you do. I don't even know what that means.

[Chloe]

I don't either.

[Julie]

Oh, that's fine. Okay, well, I guess we're gonna end it on that note.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

But I just want to tell you how much I love you and how proud I am of you.

[Chloe]

Thanks.

[Julie]

And you're a pretty awesome kid.

[Chloe]

I know. I'm tough, too.

[Julie]

You are. You've gone through a lot of crap in life. But you know what I say? If the first part of your life is challenging, the second part is gonna be amazing.

[Chloe]

I think the second part will be easier.

[Julie]

Yeah? You think so? Because do you think you've pretty much gone through some of the toughest stuff?

[Chloe]

Yeah. Cause then you're just like, oh, it's chill.

[Julie]

Yeah. Anything else that comes, you're like, oh, I can get over this.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Julie]

Yeah. And you got me.

[Chloe]

Yeah. All right.

[Julie]

We're gonna live a fun life, kid. Come on.

[Chloe]

Eat some caviar.

[Julie]

Caviar. Yes. I love you.

[Chloe]

Love you.

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