Julie Tells All! (feat. Julie Chrisley)

Summary

Podcast Summary: “Julie Tells All!” — Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley

Episode Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Savannah Chrisley
Guest: Julie Chrisley

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt and revealing episode welcomes back Julie Chrisley, Savannah’s mother, for a candid conversation about family dynamics, their experiences during and after Julie’s time in prison, and their public reality beyond "Chrisley Knows Best." The conversation covers the weight of family expectations, coping mechanisms during adversity, reintegrating after incarceration, and embracing new projects together. The tone moves between humor, vulnerability, and reflection, offering listeners an intimate look at the Chrisley women’s ongoing journey.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Reality Show Experience & Family Tensions

[00:42–13:00]

• Savannah directly addresses criticism about her behavior toward her grandfather on the family's reality show, asking Julie for her perspective.
• Julie admits she was "nervous" about the new show, particularly from her unique vantage in prison:

  "My job for 10 seasons was... to make sure. So I was nervous because I felt like you guys..." – Julie [01:10]

• They discuss the emotional toll of not only the family show but larger family dynamics, especially since Julie wasn't physically present during filming.
• Julie shares she “cried in every episode,” feeling sadness for not being there and seeing her children argue.
• The conversation turns to generational misunderstandings and pressures, highlighting how their parents couldn’t grasp the depths of what Savannah faced behind the scenes:

  "The pressure... we put on ourselves, but I don't think [my parents] understand that... it's so far outside what they could even comprehend." – Julie [05:14]

• Julie reflects on her wish that Savannah would have handled things differently on the show, recognizing years of built-up family strain:

  "Yes, I wish you would have handled it differently. But I also have to understand... this is something that's been building for years." – Julie [08:38]

• Savannah concedes, citing her intense loyalty to family, especially when her father's character was questioned:

  "I choose my side and I stick to it come hell or high water." – Savannah [10:26]

Notable Quote

"Sometimes you'll say things, I'll be like, I wish you wouldn't say that... but we don't have time to beat around the bush."
— Julie & Savannah [09:23]

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2. Coping During Julie’s Absence & Rejoining Life

[15:37–23:29]

• Julie shares she tried to shield her parents from the ongoing legal turmoil before prison, considering it an act of protection, not dishonesty.
• They reflect on the differences in how family members stepped up (or didn't), specifically referencing Chase’s absence and Savannah’s prominent role.
• Julie discusses the overwhelming nature of re-entry, describing the shock of immediately being surrounded by people and cameras:

  "You kind of have yourself... it was just a lot walking into that." – Julie [21:12]

• She reveals she recently counseled a former prison friend now at a halfway house, stressing the necessity of an “ease-back-in” period rather than abrupt reentry.

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3. Reintegration After Prison: Tools, Empathy, and Employment

[27:14–34:32]

• Savannah recounts helping a family friend released from 15 years in prison, realizing how unprepared most are for the modern world.
• Both discuss the lack of systematic support or training for returning citizens:

  “There should be a class on… this is how you use an iPhone… Venmo, Cash App, Amazon, Uber…” – Savannah [29:13–29:31]

• Julie emphasizes the persistent difficulty of finding employment post-incarceration, despite many being “harder workers” than most:

  "Some of these women have four-year college degrees... they made a mistake and I can assure you they’ll never make that mistake again." – Julie [31:08]

• Savannah teases a potential partnership with a major company to pioneer a “work your way up” prison reentry program.

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4. Personal Growth & Family Resilience

[33:05–38:32]

• The duo reflects on the impact of Julie’s relatively smooth reentry, admitting their privilege in having a close, supportive family.
• Julie says her time changed her fundamentally:

  “You are not the same person. I’m not the same person that I was before I went in.” – Julie [33:55]

• They discuss adaptation strategies: Julie coped by counting down days and working constantly; Todd (Savannah’s father) coped differently, focusing on advocacy and exercise.
• Julie shares her formula for getting through prison time:

  “For me, I can do anything as long as I know what I’m facing and when—the beginning, middle, and end.” – Julie [37:58]

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5. Emotional Touchstones & Communication Constraints

[38:41–41:15]

• They discuss the emotional impact of Luke Combs’ song “15 Minutes,” resonating with Julie’s experience of limited prison phone calls:

  "...I only have 15 minutes. Enough about me..." – Savannah, paraphrasing [39:16]

• Julie shares the distress of phone logistics—hour-long lines for a single call, often missed.
• The family adapted to always being available for calls, stopping “do not disturb” on their phones.

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6. Holiday Traditions, Cooking, and New Projects

[41:20–46:51]

• Savannah and Julie announce their intent to create cooking videos of family holiday recipes, a joyful “happy place” for both.
• They plan to share easy, relatable dishes, posting step-by-step YouTube videos.
• Banter ensues over kitchen habits (“I clean as I go; Savannah’s a tornado.”) [43:05]
• The pair express excitement about another joint project—a potential travel show pitched as “Eat, Pray, Love meets Vanderpump Rules.”
• They joke about being “modern-day Martha Stewarts—one went to prison, the other did not.” [44:14–44:25]
• Both admire Martha Stewart’s resilience and attitude:

  “She went in 10 toes down. Didn’t snitch on a soul. Served her time... That’s a bad [expletive].” – Savannah [45:07]

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7. Future Plans: Wellness, Weight Loss, and Community

[46:51–51:04]

• Savannah opens up about her ongoing weight struggle, plans to get back on her tirzepatide shots, and launches a new app for community health tracking.
• Both set weight loss goals (20 pounds each) and debate their fitness preferences, playfully bickering over gym routines and Savannah’s gentle teasing of Julie’s gym aversion.
• The episode wraps on an upbeat note—plans for accountability and more shared adventures.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “I was tired of living a lie.” – Savannah [01:56]
• “Sometimes you'll say things, I'll be like, I wish you wouldn’t say that... but we don’t have time to beat around the bush.” – Julie & Savannah [09:23]
• “Your sibling, your blood is going to be your siblings... when we are dead and gone, you guys are all that you have.” – Julie [07:51]
• “There should be a class on… this is how you use an iPhone. This is how you use Venmo, Cash App, Amazon, Uber…” – Savannah [29:13–29:31]
• "She went in 10 toes down. Didn’t snitch on a soul. Served her time... That’s a bad [expletive]." – Savannah [45:07]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:42 – 13:00] Family Reality Show, Handling Criticism, and Underlying Tensions
• [15:37 – 23:29] Coping with Julie’s Absence, Protecting Family from Worry, and Reentry
• [27:14 – 34:32] Challenges of Reintegration After Prison and Employment
• [33:05 – 38:32] Personal Growth from Adversity and Coping Strategies in Prison
• [38:41 – 41:15] Prison Phone Calls and Luke Combs’ “15 Minutes”
• [41:20 – 46:51] Cooking Traditions and Teaser: New Travel Show Project
• [46:51 – 51:04] Body Image, Wellness Plans, and Playful Family Banter

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Final Thoughts

The episode is rich in authenticity, humor, and heart, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the evolving Chrisley family. Through laughter, tears, and honest admissions, Savannah and Julie highlight not only their past struggles but also their hope, resilience, and excitement for what’s next—both for themselves and their fans.

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Transcript

[A]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I am super excited for today because we have mom back on.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And everyone always loves when you come on.

[B]

Oh, I love that.

[A]

I know. Everyone loves when you come on. Also, they're getting ready to go to LA for two weeks, y', all, and, yeah, it's gonna be really fun for them, but I'm gonna be left here at home.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

[A]

I'll be fine. Cause I have been looking. I'm like, every day I look and see how cheap flights are to London. Oh, I know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So before I do want to talk about something.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because you and I haven't spoken about the show on Unlocked.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

And people have obviously said, oh, Savannah, the way you handled that with your grandfather, uncalled for. You're so rude. You're so disrespectful. This, that, and the other. Can you give your point of view?

[B]

Okay. I. I was nervous about this show even when I was in prison, when I knew y' all were filming it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, because you know that dad and I have always been. Or me. I've kind of always been the voice of reason where, you know, I would talk somebody off a ledge or try to make you be nicer or whatever. Right. So Chrisley knows best. That was my job for 10 seasons, to, you know, make sure. So I was nervous because I felt like you guys, you know. You know, it's kind of like when somebody says, I want your honest opinion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

99.9% of the time. They really don't.

[A]

No.

[B]

So when you say, well, I'm going to be. This is like true reality. No holds bar. Is that really what you want? You know, it's.

[A]

But I was just tired of living a lie.

[B]

Well, and actually.

[A]

Question, before we go any further. Does anyone have any deodorant? I forgot to put deodorant on this morning. I don't think I have any. Look in Aaron's drawer right here. Savannah, I just realized I forgot to put deodorant on this morning.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

But I'm gonna. I feel like I'm gonna be able to smell myself. Oh, my God. I cannot. Someone text Aaron and tell her to bring some.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I just. I forgot.

[B]

Yeah, you got that guy coming later. You don't want to be smelling like body.

[A]

Oh, I know.

[B]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna get her some deodorant and bring it here just so we have it.

[A]

Well, guys, I have just realized I forgot to put deodorant on this morning. And.

[B]

Who does that? That's like me. I'm telling Chloe, you know, get out of the shower, put your deodorant on.

[A]

Well, yeah, and I have Stephen McBee coming on.

[B]

Yeah, you don't want to know.

[A]

I feel so self conscious now. Oh, my God. Somebody's gotta go to the store and get some. Okay, now. Anyways, back to our conversation. I cannot believe I forgot to put on deodorant. Oh, my God. Back to our conversation. So the reality of it.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, I was tired of living a lie with Chrisley Knows Best. You know, we all were.

[B]

Right. But I think it was just.

[A]

And there was no way for this to be a comedy with what we were talking about.

[B]

No, no, I do think there was no way for it to be a comedy. But I think it went, like, from here to here, you know, there was no easing into it. I think it was. It was. It was a lot. You know, it was. It was a lot of heavy stuff, you know, and, you know, I. It made me sad. I cried. I will not lie, I cried, I think, in every episode, you know, Cause it was sad for so many reasons, you know, because, A, I wasn't there because B, you guys wouldn't have been going through this if I had been there. C, because you and Chase were fighting, you know, D, E, F, you and dad were fighting. My dad not fighting, but just there was, you know, this friction.

[A]

And what was your point of view on that?

[B]

My point of view on that was there was a lot going on behind the scenes that you were having to deal with. As real as that was, there were still so many things that went on behind the scenes that weren't filmed. You know, I don't think that he fully grasped what you were dealing with. Not that that is an excuse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't think that it even registered, like. And I've said this many, many times because I have wonderful parents. They've always been great, wonderful people to me. And, you know, I'm grateful and I'm grateful that I still have my parents, but the life that we live and the life that they live is so different that I don't even think they understand what it takes. And the pressure that a lot of it we put on ourself, I'm not going to lie, a lot of the pressure on we put on ourself, but I don't think that they understand that. I think it's so Far outside what they could even comprehend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they don't understand it. You know, I think, you know, I've always. And you know that. Not always, but, you know, the. Anytime my dad and I have had an issue, it's basically been for the same kind of thing that you and he have an issue with.

[A]

Yeah, Chase.

[B]

You know, it's. It's that I want. I always wanted him to support me as Chase's mom and as his daughter. Not him supporting Chase. Not that I didn't want him to support Chase. Cause I do. And I'm grateful that they have a relationship like that. But he's taken it to the extreme. And I always. And so many times I would be like, am I a bad mom? Like, why? Because I'm your daughter. Like, I am his daughter. And I wanted him to side with me to help my son, to help his grandson, and because I felt like I was doing the right thing. I was trying to do the right thing. You know, I mean, I think it's different. There are times when, you know, there's grandparents and parents and children involved, and the parents aren't doing the right thing, so the grandparents have to stay.

[A]

Well, there's never been a time that you haven't.

[B]

And that's not been the thing that's not been the case here. My goal has always been that I always want the best for Chase. I want Chase to be healthy. Mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually. That's always. That's my goal for all my kids. I have nothing to gain. Yeah. There's nothing that I need from you. There's nothing that I want from you. There's no ulterior motive with any of my children. It's. I just want the best for you. And so it was really hard for me for. And it has been for a lot of years, because I would say, what is the deal? Like, why. Why does he go against me when I'm trying to. To hold Chase accountable or I'm trying to, you know, get him to do something that I know is the right thing to do. But he was always afraid of upsetting Chase. And Chase not being you, his one.

[A]

Well, the picture perfect, because he would always pin Chase and I against each other with academics and whatever. You know, it was always, yeah, Chase had to be better. Do better than I did.

[B]

Right. And it's just. That's so crazy because you were both his grandchildren. You know, I was like, you're both my children, so why in the world would I want to ever do that? That's. That's not. I have always said to you guys, when we are dead and gone, you guys are all that you have. I mean, there, of course, there's relationships that you're going to have and families, hopefully that you will build on your own, but your sibling, your blood is going to be your siblings, you know, And I just. That's so important to me. And so it was hard to watch, you know, it was hard to. But with how.

[A]

With how I handled it. And that's the thing is because people are like making me seem to like making me out to seem like this terrible person. I'm like, I wish I would have handled it differently.

[B]

Yes, I wish you would have handled it differently. But I also have to understand, and I think people have to understand that this is something that's been building for years. This was not just a once one and done kind of thing. This has been building with you for years in addition to all the pressure that you were under when we were away. So I think it just kind of all came to a head. And, you know, you are who you are. Like, you. Sometimes you'll say things, I'll be like, I wish you wouldn't say that. Or even two people, like when we're around, you know, you're just saying you're just so, like, just so to the point, like. And I'll just be like, we don't.

[A]

Have time to beat around the bush.

[B]

I know, Savannah, but sometimes, and I'm not always the best with delivery, I will admit that sometimes my delivery is way off. So I think you get it from both sides, me and your dad. I'm a little bit better. I feel like now I feel like I'm a lot better. You are. But there's just sometimes you're just a little bit.

[A]

I don't have time to waste.

[B]

Well, nobody has time to waste, honey. You don't have. You have, you have. We have the same amount of time as you have. Let's not like that. You are, you know, have less time than we do. We all have the same amount 24 hours in a day. But yes, I do wish it would have. You would have handled it differently. But I understand where you're coming from and I know how you react when you're hurt. I guess that's the thing. I know you. I know when you're hurt. I know when you are hurt, hurting. And I knew that that was a very hard time for you when you, you know so well.

[A]

Also, too, I am loyal to a fault, to people. So I on top of how all that stuff was handled. We all saw the way that papa talked about dad. So, you know, me, I choose my side and I stick to it. So at that point, I completely shut off over here and I choose my person and my side and I stick to it come hell or high water.

[B]

Right. And I think, you know, was he wrong for saying that? Yes, he was. You know, just because, you know, Todd didn't, you know, sit like a man or like some something construction worker, just.

[A]

Because they didn't sit there with his nuts hanging out like papa did, you.

[B]

Know, and work on a car or. Or whatever. I'm not saying those things are bad, but I'm just saying they've always been different people. But I think people need to realize is that they have never even had crosswords. I mean, in 30 years, which is crazy.

[A]

How daddy has been able to just bite his tongue is beyond.

[B]

But. But I think it's because he loves me and because he knows it makes it more difficult for me when there's this angst amongst each other, you know, and. But they never had words like they have never had words ever.

[A]

That's crazy in 30 years.

[B]

So I think that's also what people need to realize, you know. And, you know, I think my parents also, because keep in mind, we've been dealing with this since what, 2012.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't share every intimate detail with them because I didn't feel the need to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why would I want to have my parents worry about something that they could not control?

[A]

And you also didn't need somebody asking you a thousand questions either.

[B]

Right.

[A]

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[B]

Okay. I'm so glad.

[A]

So anyways, back to what you were saying. You didn't want them to have to.

[B]

Worry interrupting me and. Sorry. I know.

[A]

I think I need to be medicated today.

[B]

I think you do too.

[A]

I do.

[B]

You know, this has been going on since 2012. I did not. Well, first of all, I wasn't even really in the mix of it because, you know, this started out as a business dispute between dad and his business partner, Mark. I didn't, you know, I didn't have anything to do with any of it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I. And dad handled it all. So I didn't, I didn't know a lot of details even to even say, to even pass along, but I was never going to sit down and burden my Parents with that. Yeah. You know, and you know yourself, I was brought in at the end of it. So the fact that, you know, and I think so many people thought it was never going to end, like it ended. And, you know, so why have them worry about something that was not going to happen?

[A]

So they felt like you were lying to them.

[B]

Right. And it wasn't in my mind, I was protecting them, you know, like, why would I. I worry. Worried about it from 2012 until 2023 till I went to prison, honestly. So, I mean, why would I want somebody else? Why would I want my parents to worry about it that long? Was so up and down. And, you know, what's going to happen?

[A]

We didn't know what's going to happen.

[B]

You know, the world's going to come. You know, we just didn't know. So I. So I think for them, they didn't truly understand all that was going on behind the scenes. You know, I didn't talk to them about attorneys.

[A]

They also don't understand the complexities of it and how it's not so black and white and how much criminal defense lawyers cost. And they didn't understand any of that. Like, like you said, they didn't understand what I had to do day to day and month to month, the level of the bills that I had and all those. And then I'm like, hey, can you watch Chloe? Oh, I've got to go to South Carolina and mess around and finger my freaking shop I've got up there and tools and this and that.

[B]

Well, and I don't think they understood what all. What all you were dealing with. I really don't. You know, so I think there's accountability on both sides.

[A]

I mean, honestly, I could have responded differently, but the feelings wouldn't have changed.

[B]

Right, right. And you know yourself, it's the delivery. It said delivery.

[A]

And they didn't know behind the scenes, again, all the stuff I was doing in D.C. and then to question it.

[B]

I was like, yeah, exactly, exactly. Because you didn't give them a play by play of everything that you were doing because it wasn't necessary.

[A]

And I didn't trust anyone.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I was like one person saying something and it getting out publicly could ruin all of them.

[B]

Right. And them not even even realizing that they're saying something they're not supposed to say. It's not like they would intentionally do that, but it's like they may say something that they don't even realize they're saying.

[A]

Was there anything in the show that you, like, laughed about?

[B]

You know what? The tears were so much more than laughter, honestly.

[A]

You know, I mean, I was proud of Grayson.

[B]

Grayson. I will tell you. I was so proud of Grayson. How Grayson handled things, the things that Grayson said when he was sitting on the sofa, how he handled it and said it, how he handled Chase. I mean, it was. He truly was, you know, was coming into his own. And I absolutely love that.

[A]

There was that scene whenever we were coming to see you that morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we get in the car, and I was like, y', all, go get the thing that's on the thing.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And it was so funny because, like, the production company said when they were all editing that all the moms in the room started laughing because they were like, we've all been there.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like, go get that thing that's on the thing. Right?

[B]

You know what it is.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

They said.

[A]

They all started laughing, right?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So it was. It was a lot. It was. It was. Yeah, it was a lot. Are you. I literally had a conversation with probably my closest. She was my. She was my closest friend when I was in prison with. I had a conversation with her yesterday because she's at the halfway house, so.

[A]

She was in prison with you?

[B]

Yes, she was in prison with me. She was already there. See, a lot of people, you know, come in, you know, would come and go, so they were like. They came after me or left right before, whatever. She was there when I got there. She was there when I left. So she was there the entire time. And she told me. She's like, I could see it on your face when you were filming that it was a lot for you. And I think, like, you know, when we got home and they're in the garage and stuff, she said, just because I know you so well, she's like, I could see it on your face that it was a lot. It was heavy for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was.

[A]

In what way?

[B]

Well, you know, I think, you know, I pulled into the garage, and the cameras were there. The house was running over with people, you know, I mean, all kinds of people, every People everywhere. And I was so grateful that they were there to support you, to be there with Chloe and all that, but it was just a lot walking into that.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that's also something, too, that I want to address as Chase made the comment, you know, you've got all these people here. They don't need to be here. I don't know why they're here. Well, the people that were there were the people who showed up for us. The past two and a half years.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Chase didn't show up for us at all. It was all these people who showed up and even friends of mine who came and visited you in prison. Yeah. I mean, hell, I think Tyler came and visited you just as much, if not more than Chase.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it was the people that were there weren't just random people.

[B]

No, no, they weren't just random people. And I'm not. And I'm grateful that they were there and I'm just reminded me of the.

[A]

Comment that was made, but it was.

[B]

Just a lot of people. You know, I think when you are. I'm only going to speak for me. When I was in prison, you kind of have yourself. I mean, yes, I had my friends in there and I had wonderful women in there, you know, that, that I was with, but it was me. Yeah, you know, it was me. You have a lot of time by yourself. You have a lot of time with just you. And so I think stepping right back into that was, was a lot. I literally told my friend because, you know, she wants to go home so badly and she's local and, you know, she has a home to go to and there's, you know, really, they should let her go soon. But I told her, I said, you know, I think it's actually going to be good for you because she was in prison a lot longer than I was. But, you know, she has children, she has grandchildren. I said, I think this will give you that little bit of ease back in time, you know, where you're not just thrown right back in, you know, that you'll have that time.

[A]

And what'd she say?

[B]

She's like, you're probably right. And I'm like, I, I am. I know that I am. Because it's a lot.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when we picked him up, we went to the mall because I wanted to get him some clothes. Tory wasn't wearing that. The gray stuff through the airport.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So we went to Lulu, got him some clothes, then got him a backpack and, you know, a wallet. So he had all of his stuff to get on, on the plane, and we went and ate. But you could see, I mean, he was in prison for 15 years. And then we walk into a mall out of all places. And honestly, I kind of felt bad after the fact because, you know, he was so. Probably so overwhelmed.

[B]

Overwhelmed.

[A]

And I didn't think through it. I thought, just, hey, let's go get him some clothes and a backpack and whatever.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I didn't really think of him being overwhelmed, which he did really good.

[B]

Right. But.

[A]

And frankly, he was about to walk through an airport, you know, so that had to have even been more overwhelming.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But we did that. Now, you know, he's back home with his family, his kids. Is he, like, so excited? But when we went and ate, I've got a picture of him with the food, and it was the greatest thing ever, right? It was. But I can't imagine after.

[B]

I mean, I can't imagine. Listen, 28 months was a lot of time for me. I cannot imagine, you know, five years, 10 years, 15 years. I mean. I mean, just think about in 15 years, how much the world has changed.

[A]

Yes. I mean, we have AI now, and we have.

[B]

But not even AI 15 years ago, you didn't have all these, like, delivery services and all this stuff. I know. My friend was even talking, and I think she. She was in, like, five and a half, six years.

[A]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, and even she was talking about how, like, she's like, everything just comes to you, like, even in. In five years, how much has changed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and it really has.

[A]

And that's the thing is, I don't feel like we really have anything to prepare individuals who are getting out. Like, I've said there should be a class on, look, this is how you use an iPhone. This is. This is how you use Venmo Cash app, Amazon.

[B]

Right? Like, yeah, Uber, Yeah.

[A]

They should be teaching you these things before you leave so you can at least function in your day to day life.

[B]

Right? Yeah. And it's, you know, I've talked to a few women and you know, and it's hard. Those things are hard. You know, finding a job is hard because a lot of places say that they're, you know, second chance and they're not. And they're not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so a lot of people say, oh, you know, they're this company's felon friendly and this, you know, whatever.

[A]

But I actually am supposed to be having a conversation. I'm not gonna name the company just because I don't want to put pressure on the company, nor do I want the company to get backlash if they choose not to do it because anyone can. You've got the right to do what you want to do with your business.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But there's a company, they're worth $7 billion. It's a private, privately owned company. And the president of it, she does so much giving back, has all of her own organizations, a lot of stuff with substance abuse, all kinds of things.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I was, I'm going to her and asking her if they will launch a program for individuals who get out of prison to work their way up at her business.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And see what she says. I mean, I have no reason to believe why she wouldn't do it, especially as a privately owned company.

[B]

Yeah. But yeah, yeah, they do. Because when I tell you, you know, there are so many women that I know, I mean, and when I tell you a harder worker, you will never find in some of these people, you know, and some of these women have, you know, four year college degrees, you know, and they made a mistake and I can assure you they will never make that mistake again, you know, and now they can't find a job. You know, I mean, I had a friend, she was one of my, my bunkies when I was there. And she's like, Ms. Julie. What you don't understand is, you know, I was a drug dealer. That was a 24, 7 job. And you worried all the time. That's what she told me, you know, And I thought, well, you know, I guess it is a 24, 7 job and I guess you do worry all the time. She said, so there is no more high pressure, high stress job. And one that you work more hours than you do that. She said, so I could work any job. She said, I can work any job, you know, But I know she will never go back to that life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, and it would be a shame for somebody to miss out on having her, you know, as an employee, as a co worker. And I just. It's. It's just so hard, you know, and I'm not saying that every person that gets out of prison is completely reformed and they're never going to do that, because that's just not even feasible to think.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm saying the people that I interacted with. Yeah. You know, if I needed someone and I was hiring, I would 100% hire them.

[A]

Yeah. Without a doubt.

[B]

Without a doubt. Never flinch.

[A]

So we spoke about the hiring of these people. What since you've got. Now, what has been the hardest thing for you? Cause you got out and you kind of had, like, you had a little.

[B]

Bit of a. Yeah.

[A]

Easy. Your transition than most people would.

[B]

Oh, no, I had a so easy transition compared to 99% of people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and a lot of that I have to give you the credit for, because without you, it would not have been that easy. You know, and everybody doesn't have a You. You know, everybody doesn't have a Savannah. And I know how fortunate and how blessed we are because you held it together, you know, and. And it made it so much easier for us to come home to. But I do think that anytime you go through something that traumatic, I think it changes you. You know, it. You are not the same person. I'm not the same person that I was before I went in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And, you know, and I don't want to be the same person because we have to learn from our mistakes. We got to learn from our experiences that we have, whatever. Learn from life. But, you know, I think a lot of people expect you to be the same. I think it's taken me time.

[A]

You're a lot better.

[B]

I'm a lot better than I was. A lot better than I was. And, you know, I think dad has taken his and just put it into work and put it into his advocacy and working out, 20 working out, and, you know, those things. So I think we've. We've still had to deal with things and are still dealing with things, and I think dad would say he is, too.

[A]

What's a tough transition? It is.

[B]

It is. And, you know, he and I have talked on our podcast, Chris Confessions 2.0, about how we just did it differently, how we did our time differently.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and.

[A]

Well, yeah. Because he was eating Chick Fil A. Yeah, he was.

[B]

But, you know, he said something. He said every day I was leaving. He said every day when I got up, I was leaving there. Yeah. And I didn't. I didn't view it that way.

[A]

Oh, he did. Like, because the amount of. Have we heard anything? Have we heard anything? So this is how we could get out. This is how this. And I'm like.

[B]

And, you know, it was not that way with me.

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[B]

So I knew okay I sat down, I was like, okay, I am programming with my first step act. With my second chance act. This is when I will go home. And I literally had the countdown on my calendar every single month.

[A]

Yeah. So.

[B]

And I was like, because for me, I can do anything as long as I know what I'm facing and when.

[A]

At the beginning, middle, and end.

[B]

Beginning, middle, and end. And so. And that's how I looked at it. I was like, okay, I've got this many months left. Okay, this many. This many. And I worked every day. I worked my regular job. And then when I wasn't working my regular job, I would go in the kitchen and work whatever I could do, because that made my time go by so much faster. So we just did it differently, you know? And, I mean, it's not to say that one's right and one's wrong. It's just we did it differently.

[A]

Well, yeah, you definitely did it differently. That is for sure. Yeah, that is for sure. People want more info on that. Go listen to their podcast. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. There was. Oh, my gosh. This song. Luke Combs came out.

[A]

I know. I showed dad that song. Oh, my God, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Luke Combs came out with a song called 15 Minutes. And it's about a guy who.

[B]

He's serving a life sentence.

[A]

Yeah. Who's serving a life sentence. And he talks about, you know, calling home to his mom and asking her, you know, what did you cook for dinner? How's your garden? What's the weather? And then he would start talking about himself and said, you know, enough about me. I only have 15 minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so you only have 15 minutes a day. And it's like, 15 minutes of phone call. Yeah, 15 minutes of phone call. And he's like, I only have 15 minutes. Enough about me. And then it's like, I gotta go. The warden's looking at his watch, and.

[B]

It'S like, oh, I know.

[A]

I just cried.

[B]

It was. Because it just. It resonates, you know, there was a whole. He said, like, chain laying, waiting down the line. You know, there's always a line for the phone. It does not matter, you know, and that's what people don't realize. It's like.

[A]

But there's some really awesome stuff that's about to come out within the Bureau of Prisons that's going to completely alleviate that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And make communication with families.

[B]

It's hard. You know, you say sit in line for an hour, hour and a half to use the phone, and you call, and then someone doesn't answer, you know, and they don't answer. You might can try another person, but that person's not answering. And then if they don't answer, you have to go to the back of the line and wait again.

[A]

Oh. And that was the worst. The absolute worst thing in the world, because I. Like, before y' all went away, I would put my phone on do not disturb. At night.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, or, like, so I could. My phone's not buzzing. Whatever. But when y' all left, my phone never went on do not disturb. And, like, Chase would put his on do not disturb. And it's like, what are you doing?

[B]

Like, there's.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's hard because.

[A]

But when we would miss a call, like, Grayson and I would be devastated when we would miss a call because you can't call back, right?

[B]

Yeah. You can't call back. And, you know, it may have been that I walked past the phone line, and. And it wasn't. There was nobody there, which was, like, a rarity. But then I would, like, okay, I'm gonna call right quick.

[A]

You know?

[B]

So, yeah, that song. It was like, oh, it hit. It hit hard, you know? Cause there are so many people in there that are sitting in line in a phone line right now, you know, to call their loved ones, and that's grateful that it's not me.

[A]

That's awful. So now that you're back in the groove of things.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And you have, you know, when you were gone, obviously, I kept, you know, Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter, all the things going Right. I learned how to cook my turkey. My. All my. I mean, everyone came over. If you didn't have a place to go, you could come to my house.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And there are some things that I make that Grayson says are better than yours.

[B]

Oh, I don't believe that.

[A]

And then there's some things you make that he says are better than mine. Okay, so we have decided.

[B]

Well, the thing is.

[A]

Yes. We've decided to tag team, because anytime I make something, people are like, oh, well, can you give me the recipe to this or that or. So you and I are gonna film a few episodes for Thanksgiving and Christmas of our meals and what we cook. And we'll do one that is especially for Christmas, because Christmas Eve, we just do tons of appetizers.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And that's what we make.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Or sometimes I'll make pasta or something. But really, we do the appetizers. Christmas, the past. You know, before y' all left, we did it differently, just because I think I made steaks. And that's. We called It a day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But we're going to do our traditional.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Meal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And we're gonna do videos on YouTube. So you guys will be able to find them on YouTube with step by step instructions and like a little card that will give you the recipe. But mom and I are gonna do it. And I know.

[B]

I'm so excited because that is really my happy place.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, that is really my happy place.

[A]

I'm so excited because I got it from you. I love cooking now. I hate cleaning. Someone else can do that.

[B]

She is the worst. Like, for me, when I cook, I clean as I go. Savannah. It is like a tornado.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's okay. God didn't give you all everything.

[A]

Exactly. So we're going to do that. And I'm so excited because I think it's going to be easy for people to follow along.

[B]

Yeah. Plus, like, plus it's normal, everyday stuff. It's not going to be this, you know, we may throw in something special, you know, when we start doing these more regularly. But we're going to make stuff that you want to make for your family. Yeah.

[A]

Even the pasta I make that everyone loves is a quick. Literally, you can whip it up in 15 minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's what seems like it's from a gourmet restaurant. Yeah. Like, it's right up there with car bones. I'm not going to lie.

[B]

It is.

[A]

And it's so good. So mom and I are gonna start doing that just like a fun little passion project and put it on the YouTube channel and see how it does.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm. I'm super excited for that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think people will love it.

[B]

I do, too.

[A]

I do, too.

[B]

And I'm. I'm really excited.

[A]

We've got our new, you know, modern day Martha Stewart's. One went to prison, the other did not. But I love Martha Stewart. She is my second spirit animal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Did you watch her documentary?

[B]

Yes. She's amazing.

[A]

She is amazing. And she's kind of got that harsh. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I love it. Like. Like you say.

[A]

I do. She just has that harsh.

[B]

You know, you either like her, you don't. And she don't really care.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

You know, what a great place to be able to be in. And she looks amazing at her. You know, she looked amazing for any age.

[A]

She is hot.

[B]

She looks. Looks so good. And I always say she has the best hair color.

[A]

She does.

[B]

It's perfect.

[A]

She does. Martha Stewart is amazing. You are my spirit animal. And I would do as you did. As she went in 10 toes down. Didn't snitch on a soul. Served her time. Yeah. That's a bad.

[B]

Yeah, she is.

[A]

That is.

[B]

She really is.

[A]

Really is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Love her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm super excited for the cooking stuff. And then you and I are potentially going to be filming a show together.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Where we get to travel. Y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

All my travel dreams are coming true. Yes.

[B]

I'm so excited. I know.

[A]

We are so excited. We've been told that if we do this, it's a mix between. What did they say? Eat, Pray Love and what?

[B]

I don't remember. They said it was Eat, Pray Love and somebody else has a baby.

[A]

Yes. Oh, what was it?

[B]

Eat, Pray Love.

[A]

And it's like an Eat Pray Love meets, like, kind of Real Housewives. But what was the show that they.

[B]

Said they saw a particular show? It's this one, and this one has a baby.

[A]

Vanderpump Rules baby.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. They said it's like Eat, Pray Love meets Vanderpump Rules, Real Housewives kind of all together. And we'd be filming it for a month. We don't know where we're going. And I am so excited.

[B]

Me, too. Me, too. I'm so excited, too.

[A]

I'm excited.

[B]

It's going to be great.

[A]

So we're super excited. There's so many fun things coming up that I'm so excited for.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we've got that and then got the holidays. Holidays.

[B]

So it's going to be so good.

[A]

I know. I can't wait. But the travel show and the cooking and just everything. I'm so. That's all. That's.

[B]

That's the things we love.

[A]

And in order for us to gear up for the travel show, y' all know my weight has always fluctuated. Always. Like, right now, I am almost 160 pounds, probably more than that.

[B]

I'm like.

[A]

I'm at. I am 160, I can tell you. I don't have a scale, but I feel how my clothes.

[B]

Well, you don't look like it.

[A]

I am 160. I like my weight to be like 135 around there. And I hadn't been taking my shot because I would. Yeah, well, really, just because, you know, I love food. That's the hard part. So when I'm on the shot and I can't eat, I'm like. Like, I really love food. But I just got a whole panel of blood work done.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

To, like, they took 11 vials of blood.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

11. So to see where all my Markers are. And then I want to start back my shot. Good girl, rx. We're now selling tirzepatide, which is great because I love tirzepatide. It doesn't give me all the side effects that some of these other ones give people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so then I can compare my blood work before taking it and after taking it and see, like, where my biological age is, how my A1C is, all those things.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so we're gonna do this together. Yes, we're doing it together. Because y', all, you know, I. People can say what they want. I just believe as long as you feel good in your body, that's all that matters. And I want to be skinny. Like, I want to be. I want people to be like, it's. Is she okay?

[B]

No, you don't want to be that skinny.

[A]

I mean, not that skinny because I don't want to lose my ass, but I want to be, you know, pretty thin. Because like now when some. I put on some of my jeans, I don't like when I go to put on a pair of jeans and they don't fit, you know, and then sometimes they'll be too tight and then it's like going up in my crotch and I don't like it. So I've got to lose the melbs and. But do it. In the midst of doing it, I want to create an app for Good Girl so that we can go back with people and have like a discussion page, photos, videos. Week one, progress. Two, three, four.

[B]

And you're going to start that?

[A]

Yeah, so I'm going to start that so that everyone can kind of follow along. So I. So I would say go to goodgirlrx.com and sign up for emails, updates, and then you'll get all of those updates, which is exciting. So.

[B]

And we're going to share our stories.

[A]

Yes. Cuz how much weight do you want to lose?

[B]

I want to lose like £20.

[A]

£20. Okay, so we're kind of on that same. We both want to lose 20 pounds. She's going to get in the gym with me. She hates working out. Why do you hate working out? Why?

[B]

I just.

[A]

It's good for your mental health.

[B]

I just do what? I don't know. I just do. I'm just being honest.

[A]

It's good for you.

[B]

Like, it's. I feel better. I understand. It's good for me, but I just. Maybe Pilates. Maybe we'll start with Pilates.

[A]

Pilates is so much harder than just working out.

[B]

I like Pilates. I really like Pilates.

[A]

I would die watching her do Pilates cuz she is so clumsy. I can see her.

[B]

See? And then why would I want to go to the gym with you when you say that? Why would I want to do that? Okay, no, you know, maybe we'll keep our gyms separate. We'll keep our. Our physical activities separate.

[A]

You know those Pilates videos you'll see on Instagram of people, like, trying to go apart and then they just fall?

[B]

That's not true. I'm actually really good at it. All right, well then I am clumsy. I was worried I was going to have a black eye today. I went to take trash out and I had some boxes I had broken down. They were big boxes, so they were kind of hanging over. I turn around and literally bang my eye on the. With the corner of the box. I thought I'd, like scratch something. I mean, I thought it was like gonna be black. Yeah.

[A]

And then he fell down the stairs at the Airbnb this week. Fell down the stairs?

[B]

Not fell down. I caught myself. It was like a slide. Okay, slide a little bit, but it's okay. I cannot.

[A]

All right, Mom. Well, y' all have fun in la, okay? I love you. I appreciate you. When you get back, we're going on the shot, we're documenting our before and afters and we're going to work out.

[B]

Separately?

[A]

Yeah, separately. And what I don't lose, I'll tan. Because, you know, if you can't tone it, tan it.

[B]

That's right.

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