Love & Light (feat. Maddie & Tae)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley – Episode: Love & Light (feat. Maddie & Tay)

Release Date: May 6, 2025
Guests: Maddie & Tay (Maddie Marlow and Taylor Dye)
Host: Savannah Chrisley
Podcast: Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley
Description: Savannah Chrisley invites listeners on a journey of vulnerability and authentic conversations, aiming to inspire others by sharing untold stories and personal experiences.

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Introduction

[00:45] Savannah Chrisley
Savannah welcomes her guests, Maddie and Tay, expressing excitement about their appearance on the show. She remarks on the enduring nature of their friendship despite recent busy schedules.

“I feel like, honestly, I feel like we've known each other forever.”
— Savannah Chrisley [00:45]

Friendship and Early Days

[01:15] Maddie Marlow
Maddie shares how Savannah's longevity in her career mirrors Maddie and Tay's growth, emphasizing the challenges of evolving from teenage fame to adult life.

"It's like the Disney effect... people see someone on Disney and then they grow up, and it's like, oh, my gosh. Wait, what?"
— Maddie Marlow [01:30]

Personality Dynamics

[02:57] Tay Dye
The conversation shifts to their personalities, highlighting Maddie's Type A tendencies versus Tay's Type B nature. They humorously discuss their differing levels of tidiness and control.

"Maddy is like, type A to a T. And I am, like, so type B."
— Tay Dye [03:07]

Maddie elaborates on her need for control as a way to manage the chaos of daily life, while Tay admits she's working on improving her organizational habits.

Career Beginnings and Challenges

[06:33] Maddie Marlow
Maddie recounts how she and Tay met through a vocal coach in Houston, leading to their partnership despite encountering unscrupulous individuals in the music industry.

"We eventually just, like, kind of ditched the vocal coach because he was just kind of weird..."
— Maddie Marlow [06:33]

Tay adds that their move to Nashville at 17 was a pivotal moment, facilitated by their publisher, Mike Molenar, who believed in their potential.

"We moved up the summer of 2013, got my high school diploma five days later, moved up to Nashville."
— Maddie Marlow [07:06]

Navigating the Modern Music Industry

[13:03] Maddie Marlow
Maddie reflects on how the music industry has shifted from traditional record deals to the necessity of digital presence and social media engagement.

"We didn't have to feed that beast of, like, content, content, content. And now I feel for these newer artists..."
— Maddie Marlow [13:25]

Savannah and Maddie discuss the challenges of maintaining relevance in an era dominated by streaming platforms like Spotify and social media giants like TikTok.

"Now, you have to kind of reinvent yourself in a way, because the music industry is not what it used to be."
— Savannah Chrisley [13:39]

Mental Health and Personal Growth

[26:30] Maddie Marlow
The conversation delves into the importance of mental health, with both Maddie and Savannah sharing their experiences with therapy and healing from past traumas.

"Pain is inevitable in life. We are not called to have a pain-free life."
— Maddie Marlow [17:30]

[27:03] Savannah Chrisley
Savannah discusses her experience with MDMA-assisted therapy, highlighting its profound impact on her emotional well-being and commitment to her children.

"All I kept saying throughout, like, it clicked in me... 'I'm here so my kids don't have to be.'"
— Savannah Chrisley [27:17]

New Album: "Love & Light"

[19:38] Maddie Marlow
Maddie introduces their latest album, "Love & Light," describing it as a comfort album designed to provide solace and encouragement to listeners facing difficult times.

"The title track, Love and Light, is all about, like, you know what? Whatever happens, it's all love and light."
— Maddie Marlow [25:12]

Savannah expresses excitement for the album, noting its departure from typical country themes by focusing on deep emotional storytelling and self-worth.

“I don’t think there’s enough... country music that makes you feel and makes you.”
— Savannah Chrisley [25:57]

Parenting and Balancing Career

[30:56] Maddie Marlow
Maddie and Tay discuss the challenges of balancing parenthood with their demanding music careers. They emphasize the importance of chasing their dreams while ensuring their children feel unconditionally loved.

"Our kids are getting to see us fulfill our hearts and go chase a dream."
— Tay Dye [31:46]

Savannah shares her own struggles with guilt over missing events due to her career, reflecting on how her efforts will benefit her children in the long run.

“When you have Chloe and Grace... they’re gonna look back and be like, oh, my gosh.”
— Savannah Chrisley [32:31]

Marriages and Relationships

[34:03] Maddie Marlow
Maddie and Tay talk about the foundations of their successful marriages, attributing laughter, forgiveness, and teamwork as key elements. They highlight the importance of approaching relationships as a united front.

"Laughter and a lot of forgiveness, I think."
— Maddie Marlow [34:14]

Tay adds that maintaining a playful and supportive dynamic with their spouses has been instrumental in sustaining their relationships over the years.

“Josh and I are literally always laughing, and I think it's the sexiest thing in the world.”
— Tay Dye [34:15]

Closing Remarks

[38:20] Maddie Marlow
Maddie wraps up by directing listeners to their tour dates and album, encouraging everyone to engage with their new work.

“You can go find their tour dates @maddyandtay.com and go listen to their album Love and Light on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora.”
— Savannah Chrisley [38:32]

[39:53] Maddie Marlow
Final thanks are exchanged, emphasizing the strong bond and seamless interaction between Savannah and her guests.

"Thank you for having us."
— Maddie Marlow [39:36]

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

1. Savannah Chrisley [00:45]:
   “I feel like, honestly, I feel like we've known each other forever.”

2. Maddie Marlow [01:30]:
   "It's like the Disney effect... people see someone on Disney and then they grow up, and it's like, oh, my gosh. Wait, what?"

3. Tay Dye [03:07]:
   "Maddy is like, type A to a T. And I am, like, so type B."

4. Maddie Marlow [07:06]:
   "We moved up the summer of 2013, got my high school diploma five days later, moved up to Nashville."

5. Maddie Marlow [13:25]:
   "We didn't have to feed that beast of, like, content, content, content. And now I feel for these newer artists..."

6. Maddie Marlow [17:30]:
   "Pain is inevitable in life. We are not called to have a pain-free life."

7. Savannah Chrisley [27:17]:
   "All I kept saying throughout, like, it clicked in me... 'I'm here so my kids don't have to be.'"

8. Maddie Marlow [25:12]:
   "The title track, Love and Light, is all about, like, you know what? Whatever happens, it's all love and light."

9. Savannah Chrisley [32:31]:
   “When you have Chloe and Grace... they’re gonna look back and be like, oh, my gosh.”

10. Tay Dye [34:15]:
    “Josh and I are literally always laughing, and I think it's the sexiest thing in the world.”

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Conclusion

In this heartfelt episode of Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley, Savannah engages in an authentic and deep conversation with Maddie & Tay of Maddie & Tae. They explore their enduring friendship, the evolution from teenage stars to mature artists, and the balancing act between career ambitions and family life. The discussion emphasizes the importance of mental health, forgiveness in relationships, and creating meaningful music that resonates with listeners. Their new album, "Love & Light," symbolizes their journey toward healing and spreading positivity, offering a comforting embrace to those navigating their own challenges.

Listeners gain valuable insights into the duo's personal and professional lives, inspiring them to embrace vulnerability, pursue their dreams, and prioritize authentic connections.

Transcript

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[Savannah]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I am so excited because I have Maddie and Tay.

[Maddie]

Hi.

[Savannah]

Welcome, guys. Thanks. I feel like, honestly, I feel like we've known each other forever. Like, we've just been sitting here just talking because I was running a little late, but it's okay.

[Maddie]

Oh, girl. Absolutely.

[Tay]

We get the late game.

[Maddie]

We got kids. We get it, girl.

[Savannah]

I know. That is. It's also so crazy to see you guys with kids.

[Maddie]

It is.

[Tay]

It feels weird, like, to say that I have two kids. I'm like, I don't know what's happening. How did we get here?

[Savannah]

Listening to your music throughout all the year. Like, I listened to, like, your first album. You put out, like, all of it. I did. So, like, it's just. It's. I feel like it's how people feel seeing me because it's hard for them to imagine me not at 15.

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah. It's like the Disney effect is what I say, where it's like, you see someone on Disney and they blow up or whatever, and then, like, they grow up, and you're like, oh, my gosh. Wait, what? And it's like, yeah, they get to have a life. They get to be an adult. Like, you know, and it's like, it's just funny, people now. Like, even our album cover is, like, a little sexier. And we have kids, and we're like, oh, my gosh, when'd y'all grow up? We're like, we turning 30 this year. Y'all just were asleep. I don't know where y'all were, but we're old.

[Savannah]

Exactly. I'm like, people would be like, oh, should you really be doing X, Y, and Z? I'm like, you do realize I'm almost 30.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Like, I'm 27 years old.

[Tay]

When's your birthday?

[Savannah]

August.

[Tay]

August. Amazing.

[Savannah]

What is yours?

[Tay]

Mine's in September.

[Maddie]

July. We turned 30. Yeah.

[Savannah]

Right in the middle.

[Maddie]

Yeah. So were you. Cancer. Early.

[Savannah]

I'm a Leo.

[Maddie]

Okay. Okay.

[Savannah]

Yeah, like, to a T, too. Like, my friends, they're like, oh, God, yes.

[Maddie]

I don't know.

[Tay]

I don't know a ton of Leos stuff.

[Maddie]

I know that my son is the same as you.

[Tay]

Yes, Virgo.

[Maddie]

Yeah, Virgo. But I don't know.

[Savannah]

Leo is, like, fiery. Like, just out there.

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Savannah]

That's how it is. I love kind of crazy, I think. Perfect.

[Maddie]

I just know cancers are, like, really sensitive, and I. Oh, my gosh.

[Savannah]

Like, are you sensitive?

[Maddie]

Yeah. Like, I. I mean, not like, my feet. Like, my feelings don't get hurt easily, but it's just, like, I'm sensitive to, like, my words to people. And I don't know. Like, I'm a very spiritual, like, very big feeler. So I feel like that's pretty accurate for me, I would say.

[Tay]

Yeah, for sure.

[Savannah]

What do you have in common and what's, like, your biggest differences?

[Tay]

Oh, biggest differences.

[Maddie]

Probably our tidiness. Totally lack thereof.

[Tay]

Yeah. Like, Maddy is.

[Maddie]

Thank you so much.

[Tay]

Maddy is, like, type A to a T. And I am, like, so type B. Like, I walk into a room, and it's just tornado. And I like it that way. Like, I'm like, do, do, do, do, do. Mad picking up after me.

[Maddie]

She's like, are you finished drinking this? And I'm like, I took one sip. No, I literally, I. They, like, get onto me on the road because I'm like, if there's been a cup sitting out for longer than 20 minutes, it's going in the trash. Like, that is hilarious. Yeah. But, like, I, I. It's perfect, though. Like, we work so well together because we're so opposite. But I would say, like, similarities, like, our values and our core. Like family and, like, unconditional love and our faith. Like, those things are never. Like, the core is the same, but just, like, our personalities are pretty different.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I'm very. It's funny. I'm, like, a mixture between that type A and B.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Savannah]

I will be out. Like, one of my best friends and hairstylist Tyler, he travels with me, like, everywhere, and he's like, I swear to God, when you walk into a hotel room.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

It's like a bomb went off.

[Tay]

Same.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Like, literally, it's like you open up your bag and there's crap everywhere.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Maddie]

I'm the exact same psycho. Like, everything is, like, in a cube. And like when we go like play our show, like before I glam, I set out my makeup like a makeup artist would. And then I like have my hair stay like I'm a psycho. And then I have like my PJs laid out on the bed before I get. I don't know. For me it's like, what a nice thing to do for myself, you know, I don't know. That's my mentality.

[Savannah]

Like routines that make people feel.

[Maddie]

It's a control tactic really. I am a control freak to my core and trying to undo a little bit of that, like perfectionist, like control freakiness. But there's those little things that do. I'm like, okay, I have control of this. That's so great. Everything else is a tornado. But like the day and the show.

[Savannah]

Do you lay all your stuff out as well?

[Tay]

I do not. I'm trying to get better. But I used to like, my makeup bag used to be a plastic bag from like Walgreens or cvs. Like, and I got so much crap for it. So I was like, maybe I should buy a real makeup bag. But I'm trying, okay.

[Savannah]

Trying to like, hey, one step at a time.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

So how would you say that yalls personalities. Has there been a time during this music journey to where you guys have like butted heads? You've, you know, you maybe didn't talk for a period of time.

[Maddie]

We've never non talked.

[Tay]

Yeah, we're always talking.

[Maddie]

Yeah, we talk constantly. We're not really like a butt heads kind of friendship. Like we, we are just talker throughers. Like anything that we disagree on or like, I don't know.

[Tay]

I hate conflict.

[Maddie]

I know both of us do, but like really hate. I will like mess somebody up if I have to. Like, I have like this. I'm from Texas, so I'm like real spicy. Like we're talking about fiery. So like I will like, but not with the people that I love. Like, I'm so much more gentle. But like someone hurts her and I'm killing you. Like that's just, you know what it is. Yeah, exactly. There's just no question.

[Savannah]

That's how my friend group is. Like.

[Maddie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tay]

That's loyalty.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

We can have our disagreements, but you step in, you're done.

[Tay]

Totally.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Yeah. But we both like, I think there's just like respect that just doesn't, you know, like, we just don't cross those, you know, lines for sure. But also we've been best friends since we were 15, so it's like, we've.

[Tay]

Been through a lot.

[Maddie]

Yeah. And so I know how she likes to be communicated to when I go.

[Savannah]

And how did y'all meet together?

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Tay]

It's a good old story. Oh, you want me to tell story?

[Maddie]

You want me to tell you?

[Tay]

Yeah. I'm so bad at telling a story.

[Maddie]

So once I'm uptime. No. So I was going to a vocal coach in Houston, Texas, which is where I grew up. And then she was seeing this same vocal coach, but he had another location closer to Dallas. Okay. And so he turned out to be. He was the first, like, slime ball that we ran into in the music business, which was great because it prepared us for this disgusting, like, business. I mean, entertainment in general entertainment industry is gross.

[Savannah]

Horrible.

[Maddie]

It's so bad. So when you do find good people, oh, my gosh, it's such a bl. And you just, like, hang tight to those really good humans because there's some funky stuff in there.

[Savannah]

Yes.

[Maddie]

But anyways, he was, like, a total slime ball, but we met through him. He, like, introduced us, and then we eventually just, like, kind of ditched the vocal coach because he was just kind of weird, and, like, it was just getting funky. And I was already going back and forth to Nashville because I had a guy in Houston that I had met, and I really wanted to be a songwriter, and I met him through the vocal coach, and so I had gone to Nashville, like, twice, but I didn't know at the time, like, I was paying a songwriter to write a song with me. That's not what you do in this town. That's not how it works. But, like, you know, I'm 15, and I don't know.

[Savannah]

And so you want to get in?

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

You're like, here's, you know, $300 that, you know. Yeah. So to write a song with me, and then I write the whole song. And so anyways, we started going here together and writing, and that's kind of when we, like, started finding our. And then we found a couple writers that, you know, we really gelled with and kind of helped us create, you know, our sound. And so we moved up when we were 17, and there's this guy, Mike Molenar, that we still work with. He's our publisher. So he, like, helps us with all of the songwriting stuff, like, all the songwriting part of the business. But he was the one who, like, initially saw the potential and was like, wow. Yeah. And he was like, if y'all move up here, I'll, you know, get y'all Paid enough to like, pay your bills and write songs for us. And if this works out, then, you know, we can just keep building. And so we, like, moved up the summer of 2013, got my high school diploma five days later, moved up to Nashville. You know the typical, like, Nashville story.

[Savannah]

Yes, exactly. Typical. Like, I'm just gonna move here on a dream and hope it works out.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Huh. I was like. Cause I'm not a. She was like, we're doing this. And I was like, what's my plan B? Like, I don't, you know, and. But I just felt the Lord, like, really, like, just do it and just go for it. And then like, little doors and opportunities would start opening up. And so there was just too much, like too many stars started to align to totally chicken out, you know?

[Savannah]

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[Tay]

Our first big break was actually we didn't have a record deal at all. We only had a publishing deal, didn't have management. And then we wrote Girl in a country song on St. Patrick's Day of 2014. And then we ended up playing it for Scott Borchetta at big machine, like two months later at a 10 pan south round. And then we were on radio tour three months later. So from the time that we wrote Girl in the country song, we were on radio tour, had a record deal.

[Maddie]

In five months, and we were 18.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Maddie]

So it was like. I don't. I blacked out like a rocket ship.

[Savannah]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Overnight Crazy.

[Maddie]

Yeah. It was so wild.

[Savannah]

And when you say radio tour, too, people don't really realize, but that is.

[Maddie]

Oh, you're playing three shows a day.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Sometimes multiple cities.

[Tay]

I don't even know if artists do radio tour anymore.

[Maddie]

They don't really. Yeah. I'm like, all of the newbies, I'm like, y'all are welcome. We walked.

[Savannah]

So y'all can have to.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Because it's all Spotify.

[Savannah]

Yeah, exactly.

[Maddie]

When we started, there was no Tick tock. There was barely Instagram. You couldn't post. It was just pictures on Instagram. So, like, so we didn't have to feed that beast of, like, content, content, content. And now I feel for these newer artists and we're having to keep up to.

[Savannah]

Because now you have to kind of reinvent yourself in a way, because the music industry is not what it used to be.

[Maddie]

No. It used to be like, the record label would, you know, like, promote your music and do all the advertising and all that stuff, and now it's on you to do it because you have this, you know, ability to go straight to your fans. And it's like, you know, that connection is what, you know, drives everything. And so it's like, you want to be an artist, you hope you want to be an influencer, too, because that's. That comes with the territory, you know, Nowadays, it used to not be that way, but I think.

[Savannah]

So do you guys utilize TikTok and, like.

[Tay]

Oh, yeah, we definitely try. Yeah, we, like, we always try to do these cool transition videos, but it always turns out so good.

[Maddie]

We're just like. We're old, and because we're doing.

[Tay]

We're just, like, trying to squeeze in an hour of time while the babies are napping to film all this content. And so you get what you get.

[Maddie]

Yeah, but we try, like, I think. I think it's a great tool, but we definitely don't put, like, all of our eggs in that basket, because I think it's like. I think some people can, like, get addicted to, like, oh, this got this many views. And it's just like. I just feel like it's not a healthy way to live if you're just, like, constantly. I don't know. My brain always feels yucky if I'm on social media too long.

[Savannah]

Too long. Yeah, because you're. And it's crazy because the more you're on it, you're like. And you see all this stuff pop up. You're like, were you in my head?

[Maddie]

No, but you don't even know this person. And it's like, reality is not reality. And I'm like, everybody, get off your phone and go stick your feet in some grass. That's real. Grass is real.

[Savannah]

Real.

[Maddie]

Like, go ground yourself.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Go, like, listen to the birds. Like, go do something real.

[Tay]

Yeah. Because the Instagram ads, they get me. I always.

[Maddie]

Y'all, I'm pretty good about. I mean, I was telling you, I'm so frugal. So I think that's the only reason that I don't, you know.

[Savannah]

Are you as well?

[Tay]

No, I'm not.

[Maddie]

No. She's my bougie queen. It's a balance, you know? But, like, I mean, girl, I used to clip coupons all the time. Like, I have retired my coupon clipping just because I don't have time. But I mean. And I don't know if that's ever gonna change. Like, we've had years where we make a lot of money and years where we make nothing.

[Savannah]

Well, yes.

[Maddie]

And that's just constantly.

[Savannah]

How has that been the ups and downs? Especially during the pandemic. During.

[Maddie]

So crazy enough with the pandemic. That was one of our best years, really. Because Die from a Broken Heart was like a giant hit in 2020.

[Savannah]

That. Okay. So that song. Oh, my God, I have listened to it time and time and time again.

[Tay]

Thank you.

[Savannah]

So with that song, was that based off of your own experience?

[Maddie]

Unfortunately, yes. Yes. If I got to. If I got to, like, punch someone with no consequence, it would be who inspired that song.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Really?

[Maddie]

I don't think God's gonna give me that.

[Tay]

Yeah, I had a.

[Savannah]

Hey, he may. So was it so obviously based off of your own experience? Did you have your experience as well?

[Maddie]

No, it was. It was. Shoot.

[Tay]

Punching for me.

[Maddie]

Yeah, she's punching for you.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Maddie]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Tay]

I mean, basically the music video is exactly kind of what happened down to the Jeep and.

[Maddie]

Yeah, all of it.

[Savannah]

But, like, story. Who has. Who haven't seen it.

[Tay]

Yes. Okay. So basically I was in this, like, three year relationship and we had moved in together. It was this whole thing. And then we broke up. And that when you've moved in together, it feels like a little mini divorce. I mean, like, you're splitting up things and like, oh, I paid for this and I paid for this and whatever. It was just a hot mess. And I was so heartbroken.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I was. We feel so deeply for each other. So it was a hard time.

[Tay]

And then we wrote Die from a Broken Heart two weeks later. And it wasn't even my idea. Our co writer just threw out the title and I was just like. Like, knife in the chest.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Tay]

Because I felt like I was gonna die. But, yeah, now I'm good.

[Savannah]

Was that song a big healing?

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh. And it still is. I think pain is inevitable in life. We are not called to have a pain free life. Everyone walks through pain. And I'm like, One of my favorite things about faith is how God takes the most broken pieces and just makes something beautiful happen. And that song is literally. It's a total God thing. We didn't have a hit song for five years and we still haven't had a hit song since I from Broken Heart. But we're still here and we're still doing it. Yeah, absolutely. But, like, it was just a story of, like, you know, resilience and, like, how vulnerability just, like, wins. And that song still, you know, we. We both go through our own, you know, painful walks with different things. And that song still is, like, a reminder that, like, even in the hard times, even in the pain, like, God is still good, and there's something beautiful that's going to come out of the pain, and it's just, like, a great reminder for us.

[Savannah]

Love that. When I listen to that song, too, it's like when you talk about, like, calling your mom, basically, and, like, hey, mom, how do you get through this? Yeah, I lit. I spoke about. I mean, during my. So I just went through a breakup, like, two months ago.

[Maddie]

Girl, we got some songs on the album that are going to switch you through. Baby, don't worry.

[Savannah]

Blindsided.

[Maddie]

Oh, my God.

[Savannah]

Blindsided I feel. Yeah. And. But during that, I was like, people don't. No one prepared me for the adult heartbreak that, like, you so badly need your parents for. And then, like, I didn't all. I literally. I came home and that night, like, I just cried myself to sleep, and I had a dream that I was laying in bed, like, on my mom's chest, and I woke up. Oh, my gosh.

[Maddie]

Like, I knew I'm gonna cry.

[Savannah]

And I said, people don't prepare you for that, like, adult heartbreak. And you think, oh, I'm an adult. I can get through this, whatever.

[Tay]

But meanwhile, you need your mama.

[Savannah]

Exactly.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Savannah]

So I have listened to that song more times than I can count.

[Tay]

Thank you.

[Savannah]

I love it. So the new album.

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Savannah]

What. What types of songs are on it? What inspired the album?

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Tay]

Sassy songs.

[Maddie]

Yeah, it's sassy songs. For real. We. I mean, we've got, like, we have this one song called Chasing babies and Raising dreams, and it's all about just, like, the push and pull of, like, leaving our babies to chase this dream, leave this dream for the other one, and just this, like, push and pull. But then there's also, like, really sassy, like, in your face songs, because we've just always been that way. Yeah. There's a song on there called Only Jesus that is one of my favorites. And the hook is like, you know, I could love you like you don't deserve, and, you know, love you, like, all that, but only Jesus is gonna love you like that. And it's just this like burn and I just love. It's just what we call like a sweet kill.

[Savannah]

See, I need to get better at that sweet kill, girl.

[Maddie]

Yeah, it's just basically, basically like the middle finger with a smile and a wink, you know, like, oh, but it's, you know, it's shiny and pretty. But yeah.

[Savannah]

God bless you.

[Maddie]

Yes. Bless your heart.

[Tay]

I think you'll like is called Somebody Will and it's nine years old. It's like the, obviously the oldest song that we wrote for this record.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Tay]

But I think you'll like it. Hopefully.

[Maddie]

Basically like tell me the, the hook is like if he doesn't, you know, do all the things that a man should do. Some somebody will.

[Savannah]

I will do that music video, girl.

[Maddie]

Yes. Oh my gosh. That's a great. But there's a lot of, there's a lot of like self worth themes in the album. Like I think we have this opportunity as young women to like speak and encourage other women and be like, hey, if he wanted to, he would and don't settle. And both of us have incredible, incredible husbands. And so we know what a healthy, strong man looks like, how they act. And it's like, we deserve that.

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[Maddie]

I think you're really gonna connect with that one.

[Savannah]

See, I love a good heartbreak. Oh, I know.

[Maddie]

Me too.

[Savannah]

Could you imagine, though, like, now that, like you said, that's your oldest song on the album, so nine years, and. But you couldn't imagine your life any other way now?

[Maddie]

No.

[Savannah]

You know, like, isn't that crazy how it works of, like, in that. In the midst of that heartbreak, you're like, oh, my God. Like, this. I'm never gonna find anyone. Life sucks. Like. Like, I thought this was where I was supposed to be. And, like, you're in the dumps.

[Tay]

Totally.

[Maddie]

Oh. And then it turns around.

[Savannah]

I know.

[Tay]

I remember when that relationship ended, I was like, man, if I'm ever gonna get married someday, I need somebody to literally knock on my door and say, hey, I'm your husband. And, like, this was meant to be. Because I. I don't. I ain't going looking. Like, I want to go tell her.

[Maddie]

What Josh told you when she was trying to. She was trying to. Friends with benefits. Yeah. And I was like, girl, you better don't.

[Tay]

Me and my husband started hanging out, and he was like, I'm scared to date you because I know if I date you, like, I'm gonna marry you. And so I was like, oh, ding, ding, ding.

[Maddie]

Girl. She was like. And I was like, t. This is a good man. Like, he has a good heart. He's smart.

[Tay]

I was so guarded, you know?

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh. As anyone would. Yeah.

[Savannah]

When you're just destroyed and trampled on, you're like, all right, I'm not gonna give.

[Tay]

I'm sure that's where. Yeah, you are.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Yeah. Like what? I also. I will say, like, I have done so much therapy. Yes. I was like. Even when the relationship ended, I was like, you know what? I'm actually really happy. I allowed myself to feel something so deeply for someone and let them destroy me.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Because it was the greatest feeling in the world to feel. So it's like, you have to. You can sit and feel sorry for yourself or poor, pitiful me, or you can look at it as like, you know what you helped me feel? You helped me with this. Whatever.

[Maddie]

And I'm capable of loving this deeply when it is the right person. Like, I am capable of that love. Yes, Absolutely.

[Savannah]

I am so Excited for this album. And. So when does it come out?

[Tay]

May 2nd.

[Savannah]

May 2nd. So when this airs, the album's out?

[Maddie]

Yes, yes, yes. So album is out. And I just, like, I. My goal or my hope in my prayer with this album is, is that people just feel like. I don't know if you have. Like, when I'm going through things good, bad, and ugly, I have, like, my comfort albums. And I want this to be a comfort album because for the last, like, three years of making it, it's been a comfort album for me. Like, the title track, love and Light, is all about, like, you know what? Whatever happens, it's all love and light. Moving on, moving forward, keeping it positive. And even today, I was having some feelings and I put that song on, which I know is kind of weird, but it's gets me through, like, hard times. And I want to be, like. I want us to be artists that, like, feel like a hug when you listen to the records.

[Savannah]

I love that. I don't think there's enough, like, you, obviously, country music, it's trucks and beer and partying and all the things. And I miss the old country. That makes you feel and makes you. Yes.

[Maddie]

You have to pay attention to the lyrics and the storytelling. And we're like, we trying to keep it alive, girl. Like, I am not doing the. You know. And look, I'm all down for, like, a fun party song, but, like, I think we are humans. We are created to feel deeply and be more intentional.

[Tay]

For sure.

[Maddie]

Yeah. And just, like, not just. You know, I think sometimes, like, the parting stuff is just kind of, like, numbing. Maybe some things that need to be without a doubt, you know? Can you tell? We've done a lot of therapy.

[Savannah]

Hey, I love it. I'm a huge advocate for therapy. I'm like, it's okay to not be okay. And I believe that as adults, like, it's your responsibility to come to terms with your own trauma. Absolutely. And correct it and fix it and.

[Maddie]

Not pass it down because. Louder. For the people in the back. Don't pass it down. Okay.

[Savannah]

Thank you. I did this therapy, and it was. It was crazy. It was in la, but it was this MDMA therapy. I. I freaked out because I have never done a drug in my life.

[Maddie]

I did ketamine therapy, so it was, I think, yes, probably similar.

[Savannah]

Similar. And I've never done a drug in my life, like, ever. And so I was, like, freaking out, didn't know what to expect. And then, like, once I ingested the medicine, kind of freaked out. She was like, just lay down. You'll be fine. And then, like, once it kicked in, the things I saw and that. What. How deeply I felt things, all I kept saying throughout, like, it clicked in me. I don't know, maybe like an hour in. And I was like, oh, my God. She was like, what? I was like, I'm here so my kids don't have to be. That's all I kept saying in my therapy.

[Maddie]

Yeah, girl, I have full body chills.

[Savannah]

That's like. And you put your phone on airplane mode and you're recording the whole thing so that you can then go back and listen through it all. And throughout the whole recording, all I keep saying is, I'm here so my kids don't have to be. And like, anytime I would say it, it would be like the biggest smile on my face. Like, I was so. Yes. It was like a joy I've never felt.

[Maddie]

Yep.

[Savannah]

And I just believe that, like, as adults, that's our responsibility.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And that's why there's so many failed relationships out here. Because you have so many unhealed adults who are entering into relationship.

[Maddie]

And they Bringing it all. Yes.

[Savannah]

You bring it all in, and then they just destroy everyone in their path.

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's. I had the same experience, like, with ketamine, where I was just healing some, like, wounds that kind of came. It was like 20 years ago that my brain had just, like, protected me from, and it just kind of uncovered all that. But it was like, I just felt so grateful and I felt so close to God. And now it was, like, administered in, like, office. You know, Doctor, let's make this very clear. Yes. We're not just like tripping on drugs over here, but. Yeah, and we. I had to do, like, an evaluation to make sure I was a good candidate.

[Savannah]

Oh, like therapy before?

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Savannah]

I think I. Mine was like two or three months before. It was like a session every week to make sure that, like, you were.

[Maddie]

A good candidate, that emotionally prepared and, like. And it was so life changing for me. But I'm. I'm so with you. Like, especially being a mom now. I'm like, my thing that I always say is life is so hard. Every single person in the world is walking through pain, is gonna go through pain. And having a baby, just imagining him going through pain in life, like, oh, my gosh, it makes my heart sick. But he's gonna have to heal from pain that happens in life, but it's not gonna be for me because I am doing what I need to do to make sure my stuff's not passed down and that I am, you know, we're having open con and he's one and a half. So I have time. Exactly.

[Savannah]

Right.

[Maddie]

But just. I refuse, like, just all the, like, generational stuff on my side and even on my husband's side. We both are just, like, this is not touching our kid. Like, we don't care whose feelings we're hurting or what we. What. Like, these are the boundaries. And, like, we're protecting our baby. So, like, we're doing all this so he doesn't have to do it. Exactly. It's like the millennial thing where we're just like, we're not with the passing down of the trauma.

[Savannah]

And I say I'm like, our generation. And, like, within the few years, I'm like, we've done some interesting things that I don't agree with, but one thing we have done is, like, normalize that it's okay to not be okay. And very put mental health first. Self awareness.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

That I'm like, thank goodness.

[Maddie]

Yeah. That's, like, the cool thing to be mentally stable. Like, thank God. Right? Whatever you gotta do, we gotta be medicated. We've been there. Like, you do whatever you gotta do to be, you know, mentally. Mentally healthy and stable and. Yeah.

[Savannah]

So what would. Because you talked about your kids and you also spoke about the song on the album about, like, raising kids, chasing dreams, just all the things. How do you deal with that guilt? Because I know, like, even when I got Chloe and Grace in, it was really hard for me to, like, miss a baseball game or to leave and go do something. Like, I felt so much guilt if I couldn't show up.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Tay]

I mean, I think it's, like, honestly, every day it's a battle just finding that balance. But for me, I don't know if I would technically call it, like, I don't know if I feel guilt. I definitely feel sadness and, like, miss my kids a ton whenever I'm not with them. But also at the same time, Maddie and I just try to remind ourselves, like, our kids are getting to see us, like, fill. Fulfill our hearts and, like, go chase a dream.

[Maddie]

And.

[Tay]

Yeah, it may not be glamorous and we may miss some weekends and some gymnastics and music class and stuff, but I think just, like, watching us fill our cup.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Tay]

Is important too. Yeah. And just finding that balance, but it definitely. It's hard, for sure.

[Savannah]

Oh, yeah.

[Maddie]

There's, like, the song. It makes a lot of sense because, like, there's Every time I pull out of the driveway to, like, travel. I cry and. And, you know, I'm like, I think that's. And not to be, like, tooting my own horn, but I think that makes you a good parent. Like, if you care. Like, I think if you weren't, you know, sad to leave your kids and, like, you know, if you. If you weren't sad about those things, it's like, maybe there's not a connection. You know, maybe there's, like, a lack of something. So I think it's just normal. Like, normal to miss your baby.

[Savannah]

Yeah. And I think it's what I've said, especially with, like, now that I have chloe and she's 12, I'm like, it's hard for them to understand now, but when they become adults, they're gonna look back and be like, oh, my gosh, like, wow, not only did this person take care of me, but they also were out chasing a dream or providing and making sure there's a roof over our head and good schools and whatever it may be.

[Maddie]

Absolutely.

[Savannah]

So, like, it's such a struggle, and I'm like, all right, you don't understand it now.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Savannah]

But you will 20 years from now.

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh. Absolutely. Yeah. And I'm like, I just want my. I'm like, I'm gonna screw so much up. That's just being a parent. Like, you can't. No one gets it. Perfect. But I'm like, as long as my kid knows, there's nothing you can do or say that will change my love for you. Like, I want my son to know God's love through me. Like, and he will know, like, unconditional love through me and my husband, you know, like, that's my goal. I'm like, I might screw this up. I might lose my temper. My son knows he's unconditionally loved, and me and my husband, we do not get complacent about growth. Like, we are constantly trying to grow and show him. Just always challenging yourself and never settling, never getting into a routine that's not healthy and things like that.

[Savannah]

I love that. So what would you guys say is your key to your marriages?

[Tay]

Oh, man.

[Maddie]

Ooh.

[Tay]

Laughter. I would say just being silly, being goofy. Josh and I are literally always laughing, and I think it's the sexiest thing in the world. The more I'm laughing, the more I'm like, come on. You know, See, that's.

[Savannah]

I'm the same way. It's like having that truly best friend.

[Tay]

Yes, exactly.

[Savannah]

That you can just laugh with, joke with it, just for Me that makes me want to be more intimate, whether it's, like, holding your hand or whatever. It may be like, when you get that laugh.

[Maddie]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Savannah]

It's worth a gazillion dollars.

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah. I. So me and my husband have been together for 15 years, so we've been married for six.

[Monster.com]

Shoot.

[Maddie]

What year is it? Okay, six years. Yes. That's terrible. But we met in high school. Same year I met. T was the year I met Jonah.

[Savannah]

Holy cow.

[Maddie]

So we have had, you know, we've grown up together. We were long distance. We moved in together. And so, like, our history is just, like, wild. But I would say, like, we try to approach our relationship almost like a team. Like, there's times when, like, we are, you know, arguing about something, or, like, you know, we're exhausted because we haven't slept because the baby. Whatever. And it's like, we just are like, hey, we're on the same team. Like, we're on the same team.

[Savannah]

Yes.

[Maddie]

We just got. You know, we have to just, like, what's the gameplay like? And I wasn't even an athlete, but for some reason, that makes sense to me. Yeah. What's the game plan? But laughter and a lot of forgiveness, I think. But forgiveness with change, you know? Like, I think sometimes people, like, forgive, and then you just move on and, like, do the same thing. But for Joan and I, when there is issues or speed bumps or, you know, whatever in our relationship, like, you have to be able to forgive and completely forgive. Yeah. You. You can't hold that against.

[Savannah]

You have to forgive and move forward. You can't forgive and then go back and pick it up when it's convenient for you.

[Maddie]

Exactly. And that's, like, more the dynamic I saw growing up. So it was a lot of undoing of that for me. And. But him and I, like, just having fun and laughing and. But I. I saw this video where it was, like, this old couple, and it was like, imagine how many times they had to forgive each other to be where they are. And I. That's, like. With me and Jonah, there's been so much also.

[Savannah]

I think that's a song.

[Tay]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Maddie]

Let's clip that so we don't forget.

[Savannah]

How many times you have to forgive to get to the end.

[Maddie]

Absolutely. Yeah. And, like. And just not holding holds things over each other's head. I mean, I used to fight dirty. I was horrible.

[Savannah]

I will say I was.

[Maddie]

I was. When I was younger, I was, like, the meanest thing I can think of. And my sweet Jonah he's, like, so cool, calm, and collected. Like, doesn't speak unless he has something to say. Like, just. Just a true, like, man of God. But. And I'm like, babe, thank you for forgiving me for, like, so many years. Cause I was a psycho, and I. I was. I totally was.

[Savannah]

Okay, so do y'all want more kids?

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tay]

I think I'm done.

[Savannah]

I think I'm done.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

I always say I want four, but I only have one, so that could definitely change when we have another one. But it is hard just with timing, because I toured till I was 36 weeks pregnant. She toured till she was 32 weeks pregnant. And so, like, it's hard on your body being that pregnant and, like, touring and stuff. So there's, like, some timing things you kind of gotta, like. And it's all God's timing, but, like, just trying to set us up to win. But, yeah, I'm like, I will definitely be having another, and I'm sure our team's gonna be like, no, not another baby. Not another pregnancy. No, I'm just kidding. Our team is, like, all family people, so they'll be psyched.

[Savannah]

But that is amazing. All right, so you're on tour?

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Savannah]

And when. When does that wrap up?

[Tay]

I think we're going till November, maybe.

[Maddie]

Yeah, something like that. So. But yeah, we've definitely, like, tried to find the balance between, like, home life and then writing another album. Because it's like, when you put out an album, you have to already have that. Yeah, absolutely. It's similar, like, with the podcast. You just got to have them loaded up.

[Savannah]

Exactly.

[Monster.com]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

All right, so where can people go to find your tour dates?

[Maddie]

It's a really cute website, too. We had. We were, like, made it all cute.

[Savannah]

I love it. So they can go find your tour [e-mail].

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Savannah]

And then your album, they can find. What's the title?

[Maddie]

Love and Light. Yeah.

[Savannah]

Love and Light, baby. We love it. Love and Light on Spotify, Apple Music, everything that's right. Where you listen to your music.

[Maddie]

Yes, absolutely. It's there.

[Savannah]

Well, thank you all so much for coming on. I love you.

[Maddie]

We love you. I was like, I know we're gonna hit it off, because trust me, this.

[Savannah]

Was not work to me. There are some. I've had some people come on my podcast. I mean, I'm not gonna drop names, but I have had to, like, pull. Pull teeth to, like, have conversation. And it's like, oh, how much longer do we have, Girl?

[Maddie]

I feel there's times that we do interviews and I'm like, we wrote such a deep, like, thoughtful album. Can we, like, do talk about it? Yeah, like, not just like.

[Savannah]

So do y'all fight?

[Maddie]

What the. Oh, my God. Come on. No. Why would we be in a duo for 15 years?

[Savannah]

God. Hey, some of these are.

[Tay]

You never know.

[Maddie]

Yeah, just, you know, the softball questions where you're like, what in the. Oh, Lord have mercy. You didn't even. You didn't even research nothing. Okay, whatever. Moving on.

[Savannah]

That is amazing. All right, well, thank y'all so much.

[Maddie]

Thank you for having us.

[Savannah]

You guys can go and find their tour [e-mail] and go listen to their album Love and Light on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora. Wherever you listen to your music, you can find it. So thank you.

[Maddie]

Thank you.

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