Pain Into Purpose (feat. Anne Wilson)

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Podcast Summary: "Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley"

Episode Title: Pain Into Purpose (feat. Anne Wilson)
Release Date: December 2, 2025
Host: Savannah Chrisley
Guest: Anne Wilson

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode of "Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley" features singer-songwriter Anne Wilson. Savannah sits down with Anne to discuss her remarkable journey through grief, faith, discovering her musical calling, and transforming tragedy into healing and purpose. The conversation delves into Anne's origins, her rise in the music industry, how she copes with loss (especially around holidays), her advocacy for authenticity and vulnerability, struggles with identity, and her mission to support young women through faith-based projects.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Anne Wilson’s Backstory: From Aspiring Astronaut to Singer

• Discovering Music Through Tragedy
  • Anne grew up in Lexington, Kentucky, with dreams of becoming an astronaut.
  • She played piano as a child but never sang publicly; her family had no idea she could sing.
  • At 15, Anne’s brother Jacob passed away in a car accident at 23 years old.
    • “It was one of those accidents where, like, you don’t make it to the hospital. It's an immediate death.” (Anne, 02:05)
  • Shortly after his passing, while playing piano at home, Anne audibly felt “called by God” to pursue music.
  • Her mother overheard Anne singing, marking the first time her family discovered her vocal talent:
    • “Anne, like, she's crying and she's like, I didn't know you could sing!” (Anne, 03:44)
  • Anne sang at her brother’s funeral, which changed the course of her life and launched her music journey.

2. The Launch of a Music Career and Viral Success

• Anne posted a video of the song she sang at her brother’s funeral on YouTube—her first upload—which quickly went viral.
  • “Within 12 hours, it had 9 million views on Facebook.” (Anne, 07:47)
• This exposure led to a Nashville manager discovering her, record deals, and her debut single “My Jesus.”
• Anne emphasizes the clear, guiding hand of God throughout all these “miraculous” developments.

3. Faith as a Foundation Through Grief

• Anne and Savannah dive deep into how faith underpinned Anne’s, and her family’s, ability to process devastating loss.
  • “When you go through loss like that, you really have a decision to make... you can trust God and just say, God, I’m going to allow you to lead me and heal my heart. And that’s what he did.” (Anne, 08:41)
• Savannah notes, “Especially at a time where you could have taken something so life changing and hard, you could have gone the other way with it.” (Savannah, 08:13)
• Anne candidly shares her fears that the grief might split her parents apart but highlights how faith kept the family together.

4. Grieving During the Holidays

• Both Anne and Savannah talk about the particular difficulty of the holiday season after loss.
  • “The holidays are by far my least favorite time of the year... this is our ninth holiday season without him and it never has gotten any easier.” (Anne, 13:54)
• Anne’s advice:
  • Take it day by day.
  • Create new traditions and allow yourself to do things differently.
  • “Don’t try and make Christmas feel like what it used to feel like... it’s really good to make new traditions and to have things to look forward to.” (Anne, 13:54)

5. Vulnerability, Depression, and Normalizing Not Being Okay

• Anne admits to going through depression, especially when turning 23 (the age her brother died):
  • “February was by far the darkest month for me... Just deep, dark depression. Just felt like I couldn’t get out of bed.” (Anne, 16:20)
• Both emphasize the importance of normalizing mental health struggles:
  • “I always love to say, it's okay to not be okay.” (Savannah, 19:01)
  • Anne: “I’m very vulnerable. I would say that's like, not hard for me...” (Anne, 19:01)

6. Music as Healing and Testimony

• Anne’s songwriting directly addresses her experiences—loss, hope, faith, and resilience.
  • On her song “23”:
    • “My goal since he passed has just been to become more and more like him every day.” (Anne, 17:32)
• Anne’s music has tangibly impacted listeners:
  • “It’d be like stories like ‘I was an alcoholic addicted to drugs. I heard your song My Jesus and I checked myself into rehab’... or a little seven year old girl coming up and telling me she got baptized because she heard my song.” (Anne, 20:08)

7. Wrestling with Faith, Anger, and Doubt

• Savannah asks how Anne avoided anger at God after tragedy.
  • Anne: “I wasn’t angry with God... there were moments of anger about the situation... but I remember early on... it was just this piece of, I’m just gonna trust God.” (Anne, 21:33)
  • Anne references Job: “The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.” (Anne, 22:51)
• Practical advice for non-believers or those questioning faith:
  • “Ultimately, God is still good in the midst of everything... He just has a plan.” (Anne, 27:00)

8. Identity, Social Media, and Young Women

• Anne explores issues of identity and insecurity, especially for young girls in the social media age:
  • “Through middle school for me, in high school, I really struggled with confidence. I felt very insecure... not pretty enough, not worthy...” (Anne, 29:44)
  • Savannah laments, “Social media, worst thing in the world for kids.” (Savannah, 30:12)
• Anne created “Hey Girl Nation” on Instagram and a 40-day devotional to support young girls spiritually and emotionally.
  • Covers topics like bullying, friendship, prayer, and gratitude.

9. Navigating Life as a Public Figure

• Anne addresses the pressures of being a role model at only 23:
  • “A lot of moms tell me at concerts, ‘you're my daughter's idol or role model’... and that can be pressure... I've learned... I also have to be a 23 year old and live my life.” (Anne, 37:03)
• Savannah reflects similarly as someone who grew up in the public eye, noting the expectations vs. personal reality.

10. Behind-the-Scenes: Life on Tour

• Anne’s recently released album “Stars” was written and released within months—a rarity in the business.
  • “We wrote the record in May, recorded in July, and put it out in October.” (Anne, 39:46)
• Touring highlights:
  • 85-90 shows in a year.
  • Anne’s sister is her stylist; her team is like family.
  • Pre-show rituals include Mexican food and sometimes tanning beds (“I eat Mexican food every day of my life.” Anne, 43:13).
  • Anne’s best friend travels as her photographer, reinforcing the importance of having loved ones on the road.

11. Community, Friendship, and Dating

• Anne tries to make time for friendship and community when off the road.
• Honest talk about the struggles of dating in Nashville:
  • “There's ten girls for every guy... guys don't know how to ask girls out anymore...” (Anne, 46:45–48:26)
• Strong focus on intentionality and “holding your horses” before giving your heart away (see her song “Hold Your Horses”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On singing for the first time:

  • “Anne... she's crying and she's like, I didn't know you could sing!” (Anne, 03:44)

• On faith after loss:

  • “When you go through loss like that, you have a decision to make. You can either go on your own and fill the void... or you can trust God.” (Anne, 08:41)

• On holidays after loss:

  • “It's really good to make new traditions and to have things to look forward to... create things that bring you joy during the season.” (Anne, 13:54)

• On vulnerability:

  • “I always love to say, it's okay to not be okay.” (Savannah, 19:01)

• On impact:

  • “A little seven year old girl coming up to me and telling me she got baptized because she heard my song.” (Anne, 21:14)

• On pressure to be perfect:

  • “No human being can live under that kind of pressure.” (Anne, 37:49)

• On faith and loss:

  • “The Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.” (Anne quoting Job, 22:51)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00–05:40] – Introducing Anne Wilson; her background and first experiences with singing
• [05:40–08:08] – Viral success, signing a record deal, and God's intervention
• [08:08–09:51] – Coping with grief after loss through faith
• [13:51–15:30] – Holidays, new traditions, and healing through change
• [15:44–19:53] – Song "23," dealing with depression and making vulnerability public
• [20:08–23:52] – How Anne’s music impacts others and conversations about anger/loss and faith
• [27:00–29:06] – Talking to non-believers: Why does God allow suffering?
• [29:44–33:32] – Identity, insecurity, and the creation of "Hey Girl Nation" and devotional
• [37:03–39:10] – Navigating public expectations as a faith-based role model
• [39:10–42:19] – New album “Stars”, rapid songwriting and release, life on tour
• [43:01–47:12] – Anne’s daily routine on tour, friendship, and community
• [46:37–52:16] – Dating struggles in Nashville and advice for young women
• [53:03–53:22] – Upcoming tour dates and conclusion

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Additional Resources

• Anne Wilson’s website: annwilsonofficial.com
• Hey Girl Nation on Instagram
• "Stars" album – available on streaming platforms
• 40-day devotional for young women – available on Anne Wilson’s website

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Tone and Feel

The episode is deeply authentic, encouraging, and faith-driven with moments of laughter, relatable struggles, and powerful testimony. Savannah’s warmth dovetails with Anne’s vulnerability, making the chat feel like a safe space for processing pain and finding purpose.

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This summary was prepared to capture the heart, wisdom, and actionable insights contained in the conversation between Savannah Chrisley and Anne Wilson, providing a comprehensive guide for listeners and non-listeners alike.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. This next guest I've been wanting to have on my podcast forever, just because her story is so impactful and her music has been very impactful in my own life. So. Ann Wilson, welcome.

[B]

Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

[A]

I am. So, first off, you're so cute. Like, just. I. Every time I see you, I'm like, oh, my God, she is gorgeous. Thank you so much. I. It was so funny. Your name, like, kept coming at me from all different directions, which I had sent everyone, like, months ago. I was like, I want to have her on my podcast. As I came across a video of yours. And then, like, the podcast company sent me your name. One of the girls that works here. I was like, guys, yes. Like, how many times do I say yes? Like, I want her on my podcast.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

So your story is just insane. How old are you?

[B]

23.

[A]

23. And that's where your song 23 came from.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I. My parents were listening to it last night and just, like, sobbing. It is absolutely just. I mean, so many people, I feel, like, have a story that resonates with you, and for people that don't know, do you want to kind of. Let's share your musical journey about how you got into music? Because I was shocked to hear that your mom was like, I didn't know you could sing.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Okay. So grew up in Lexington, Kentucky. I always wanted to work for Nas and be an astronaut. That was my dream.

[A]

That is amazing.

[B]

Was always really passionate about that. And so, like, growing up, I always played piano, but I never sang. My mom made me and my sister and brother take piano lessons. Like, it was a thing where we had to do. And then, like, as I got older and, you know, getting in middle school, early high school, I loved music. I loved listening to music. I just never sang. I never sang at church or in the car with my parents. I do remember, like, singing by myself in my room.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But it wasn't like, a passion of something. I thought, oh, I would want to do this with my life. And then about two years after that time period, my brother passed away in a car accident, and he was tragically killed in an accident. 2017. I was 15 years old. He was 23, and he. It was one of those accidents where, like, you don't make it to the hospital. It's an immediate death. We, of course, found out that night after they had cleaned up the accident. We found out about three hours later, and the police officers came to our house and told us the news. So it was just devastating finding out he was gone.

[A]

And when that happened, did your parents. You know how parents say, like, I felt something or something was off or was like, were they trying to get in touch with him? Were they trying to.

[B]

They weren't that night. My mom had called him earlier in the evening and. And his phone was dead. And so I do remember being in the car with her. We were in the Kroger parking lot and she was like, hey, Jacob, wanted to let you know you, like just reminding you you have a dentist appointment in the morning. And I remember thinking like, oh, his phone's dead. But we knew he. He was out with his girlfriend that night, like, celebrating her. She had passed her nursing board exam.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And so he was out celebrating with her that night. And. And he didn't live with my parents at the time, so we weren't like expecting him to come home, which I think would have been a lot more traumatic. So we found out he had passed. And then that really started the music journ. The only way I know how to describe the whole thing is just that I audibly heard from God tell me that he was calling me to music. And it was like a couple days after my brother passed, I was downstairs at my parents house playing the piano, singing this worship song. And my mom was listening to me sing in the other room and I thought I was alone in the house. So she runs in the room and she's like, Ann. Like, she's crying and she's like, ann, I didn't know you could sing.

[A]

And. And at this point they were wanting someone to sing at his funeral.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. We had been planning the funeral and you know, as most parents, I would imagine they would want someone to honor their child in that way. So my mom just really wanted that. My mom loves music. She's always been a musical from a musical family, my dad too. And she just wanted that at the funeral. And so she was like, can you, you know, can you do this and can you sing at the funeral? So I prayed about it and I felt like I was supposed to, and I did. And that was like the beginning of the last eight years of my life, of just like God opening doors in the music industry and calling me to music and me learning that I have a voice and that I can sing and that I can write songs and all the things that have come from it. And it's like some people don't believe that that's true. Like, some people are like, how do You. How did you not sing? And I'm like, I literally did not sing.

[A]

Well, especially too. As a young girl, you already feel inadequate. I feel like, especially just in the generation that we live in and like, oh, well, I can never be as good as this person or that person, or I don't think I'm talented or I don't. And you also hear stories of people who are like, oh, I've sang since I was 5 years old, and I still haven't made it in the music industry. And so it's. There's. Obviously, you are insanely talented, but I feel like there's no other way to say it other than it was God written all over it. Whether it was God and your brother and all these just people that had their hand on your life.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's. It's, like, evident to see that God was in it. He was planning it. He was writing my story, really, all along. And now, like, I've been. My first song, My Jesus came out in 2021.

[A]

Oh, it's my mom's favorite.

[B]

Five years. That's so sweet.

[A]

It's my mom's favorite. Her favorite that says. So that it's been almost five years since that came out. And so. So you sang at your brother's funeral and then from there. How did music start picking up?

[B]

I posted a YouTube video after he passed away. The song that we did at the funeral. I wanted to, like, do a cover of it, just post it on YouTube to have to look back on, you know, just memories and honoring Jacob. So posted that that video went viral, and I literally think, like, like a few days or something crazy. And, like, that was the only video I'd ever posted of myself singing on the Internet. So I. Expecting that, and it went viral. And then a manager in Nashville found me through that video and reached out to me on Instagram and said, hey, my name is Jason. Would love to work with you. Like, would love to have you come to Nashville. So maybe six months after my brother died, we went to Nashville, beginning of 2018, and met with this manager and started talking about what it would look like to do music. And he was like, I. He was like, I know your. Your voice is very young, like, and you've not been singing, but I. I can hear something in your voice that I think you have. And I was like, okay.

[A]

Like, what do I do now? I don't know.

[B]

Like, it was just a. I was 15. I had braces on. Like, I was literally a child. I was so Young. I'm like, I don't know what you see in me as a 15 year old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But sure, let's. Let's go see what happens. So long story short, like that next six months we had to have money, you know, to pay him and to start working with him. And so we like all these miracles happened and we had a check in the mail for the exact amount we needed to pay this guy. And I mean, it was just all these God things and.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Just all these crazy things I write about in a book I put out a few years ago. But yeah, just like a lot of like confirmations, like this is what I'm supposed to be doing with my life. And then the first song I released was My Jesus. That was the first song. And within 12 hours it had 9 million views on Facebook.

[A]

Holy cow, that gives me goosebumps.

[B]

Exploded overnight. And my life since then has been like, it's never been the same. So it was just evident like from each moment, from the YouTube video to working with the manager. I signed a record deal when I was 17. Like just every step of the way has just been God's hand at showing me like, this is what I'm supposed to do with my life.

[A]

So that is amazing. Especially at a times where you could have taken something so life changing and hard, you could have gone the other way with it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And what would you say was your. How did you stay on the straight and narrow? Because going through loss and grief and it's so I understand why people, you know, go downhill. So how. What was it in you that you were like, all right, like, this is the path I'm going to take. I'm going to turn it to something positive.

[B]

Well, I think for me it was, it was like just my faith, to be honest. Like, I don't think I would have gotten through that time if it hadn't been for my faith in God. I think when you go through loss like that, you really have a decision to make. You can either go on your own and fill the void with substances or whatever you choose, or you can trust God and just say, God, I'm going to allow you to lead me and heal my heart. And that's what he did. And looking back, even at my parents, I remember thinking, oh, my parents will probably divorce. Because normally when you lose someone, that's what happens.

[A]

And when you lose a child, they say that they're the, like the number one thing that is the toughest on marriages is losing a child.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. And I remember thinking that and then fearing that and then my sister and being worried about her and just like having so much fear. But I knew, like, if we did not cling to God, we wouldn't get through it. So we did. And it was just, it was so cool to look back now and be like, oh, my gosh. The Lord literally brought us through that time completely. He healed our hearts. He gave us the strength we needed. And I wouldn't be where I am today without him. Like, I, I wouldn't, I don't know if I would have literally survived that time in my life.

[A]

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[B]

It's really tough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. The holidays are by far my least favorite time of the year. I know that I, I believe one day that will change, but it's been, this is our ninth holiday season without him and it never has gotten any easier. But I think for people listening or watching, like, I, I think the best piece of advice I can give is just take it day by day and like, don't try and make Christmas feel like what it used to feel like with that person because it's never going to again. I think it's really good to make new traditions and to have things to look forward to and create things that bring you joy during the season. That might not be what everyone else is doing during Christmas. Yeah. That might look like going to the beach or going somewhere. That gets your mind off of your normal traditions.

[A]

That was literally. And it's not even a comparison, but it was like, when my parents were gone, it was like the first Thanksgiving, and I was putting so much pressure on myself. All right. I have to do things exactly how my mom would. And then I realized with the kids, they're like. But, like, you're not mom. Like, this isn't. Like, it's not gonna be. Like, it was. So I was like, you know what? Fine. And, like, we left. We went on a vacation. Like, we acted like it was just another day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And for us, that was the easiest, most, like, healing thing. Instead of acting like everything was how it once was. Ye, it just. There's. Which, again, for everyone, it's different. Some people may want to do the exact same things. There is no perfect way to deal with your healing journey. I feel like there's times where you take 10 steps forward and then, like, 30 steps backwards.

[B]

It's so true.

[A]

And it's definitely never the easiest thing. And you released a song. 23. And can you tell a little bit about that song and how it came about?

[B]

So this year in February, I turned 23, and that was the age that my brother was when he passed away. And so I knew, coming up closer to this age, because my sister is four years older than me. So when she turned 23, I remember walking through that with her four years ago, and then it was my turn, and it was just weird. Like, my brother was eight years older than me, and so he always felt so much older. You know, he was so old in my eyes. And I remember thinking, like, whoa, I'm gonna live longer than he ever got to. Like, that is such a weird feeling.

[A]

Like, did you dread, like, as your 23rd birthday was approaching?

[B]

Yeah. I was like, I don't want to. I don't want to cross this milestone. I don't want to. I don't want to get to this point. And so whenever it was, like, two weeks before my birthday in February, a couple of my friends came out and we wrote 23. And I just was super honest with them. I was like, guys, I, like, I'm just dreading this birthday. I'm dreading all that comes with this year and the feelings and the emotions around it. And February was the by far the darkest month for me. I've had in probably, like, four or five years. Just, like, depression. Just deep, dark depression. Just felt like I couldn't get out of bed. And I was on tour. I was constantly working, but, like, I just didn't have any motivation to do anything. I was just really struggling that month, and there was a lot of, like, darkness there. And so wrote that song that was healing in a sense, you know, and then ended up writing my album out of that. But, yeah, there's, like, 23 talks about, like, blowing out the candles to my birthday cake and, like, there being an empty chair and missing him and, like, all the motions that come with that and just really this idea of, like, I want to pack full. I want to pack my life full. And how he did in only his 23 years because he lived life to the fullest, and he was such an incredible person. And my. My goal since he passed has just been to become more and more like him every day.

[A]

So that's amazing. Like, what a. Just. I can't even imagine I do. With your parents, did you see. Because obviously they have a totally different journey than what you have. Did you see as it was, like, your 23rd birthday approaching, were they. Did they have, like, this worrisome or, like, this fear or.

[B]

Yeah, I think my mom. My mom can always tell when I'm, like, really struggling, and she could tell, like, I was going down pretty quickly, you know, she was like, I can tell that you're. You're really gonna, like, struggle with this this month. And so she was worried about me. My parents were. They were more worried about me than they were. Like, this milestone for them, it's not as personal, you know, but I think it was emotional for them to think that their littlest girl, their youngest, was gonna be living longer than Jacob did. So.

[A]

And so with you touched on just, like, how it was such a tough month and depression, and is that something that you', normalized, like, on your platforms and your followers and people who listen to you? Because I always love to say, like, it's okay to not be okay, but there's so many people that just don't normalize it or that hide behind it or. And that's totally fine, too. But do you find yourself kind of just, like, living in the moment and letting people know, like, hey, I'm struggling.

[B]

Yeah. I really. I'm very vulnerable. I would say that's, like, not hard for me to be vulnerable. That's just how I've always been my whole life?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And some people will be like, wow, you're. You're going to share that and. And I'm like, yeah. Like, I don't. I don't find an issue with that. I, I think that for me, I've watched women in my life be very guarded.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And not be willing to let their guard down about what they're going through.

[A]

And that's just like that generation too. It's like whether it's like my mom is very guarded, my grandmother is even more so, like, and it's, there's a lot of that that's like in my mom and I even talk about it of like, I wish I would have seen more vulnerability. I wish I would have because that helps people get through their toughest days. Like, you never know what someone else is going through. So if you can say to someone like, hey, I'm struggling, then it normalizes it for them.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

And what would you say with telling your story? Like, what, Is there a moment that sticks out to you that you saw the impact that your story was having? Like, was it an encounter with someone or an event?

[B]

Yeah, there's been so many moments, but probably early on when My Jesus was like topping the charts in Christian music and people were just flooding, you know, to the stage after the shows to tell me like what they, how they connected to their, to the, to my music. And you know, when I like wrote My Jesus and was writing these songs early on, I wanted it to be. I wanted to write songs that specifically helped people get through loss and to have like songs that people that have lost a loved one can go to and listen to and find comfort in. And so I, I remember praying that. But I didn't know what all was going to happen with that. And so whenever people started to share their stories with me, it'd be like stories like I was an alcoholic addicted to drugs. I heard your song My Jesus and I checked myself into rehab. Or like my son passed away 20 years ago and I haven't forgiven God. And until I heard my Jesus, I was angry with the Lord and now I've forgiven him and I have a relationship with him again. Or it's like a little seven year old girl coming up to me and telling me she got baptized because she heard my song.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Things like that all the time.

[A]

So how did you. Because especially like where we're at in the world today and you see so much loss. How, how were you not angry at God? Or was there a part of you that was. And then you got through that or.

[B]

I don't really, I can't explain it. I just like, I, and I don't want this because I know that when People say this. It's like, in any way. I'm not trying to act like there's something special to me at all in this, but I just wasn't angry with God. And there were moments of anger about the situation. Like, there was like, I'm mad that my brother's dead. I'm. I'm angry. But I remember early on, like, the. The moment I found out he died, and the police told me, like, it was just this piece of. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna trust God. Like, that's really what I felt. And I felt like I could trust him. Like, I felt like, okay, God's gonna do something with this, and he's gonna use it. And so I think it was for me, I never had moments of anger. I had more questioning, like, why. Why would you let him die? Why would you let our family have to go through this? Like, just, why now at this. At the prime of his life? There were a lot of those moments for me that just felt really hard to get through. But I wasn't really angry. I would say it was more just the questioning. But I do remember reading the book of Job in the Bible, which talks a lot about. Job is, you know, someone in the Bible who, like, lost everything he ever had. And. But he never, like, was angry with God. He always just trusted him. And there's a verse that says, the Lord gives and the Lord takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. And that's a really tough first to wrap your head around, because it's like, God, okay, God, you could have stopped this from happening. God, you could have. You know, it's. It's why everyone asks those questions, like, why does God let bad things happen to good people? Yeah, but it's this thing that I've had to wrap my head around of just trusting God and saying, God, you're gonna. You're sovereign. You know what's best. And so this. This might happen. We might not understand it, but you have a plan in it. And then I've also just always reminded myself of, like, in the beginning of time, we were made for the garden. We were made for, like, there was no sin. So we were just made. It was. Everything was perfection. We weren't made to have to walk through loss. And so now when we do, it's like every fiber of our being, like, does not know what to do. It's because we're not made to go through loss. We're not physically made to have to, like, lose a loved one, you know, and to go through that pain. And so I think reminding myself of that in those times really helped me walk through that and just choosing every day to trust God and just believe.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I think it goes back to, we are really undeserving. You know, none of us are deserving of anything that we have. And ultimately, God is the one that has given us what he's given us and blessed us and given us the opportunity to have freedom through Jesus dying on the cross and to have our sins forgiven and to have a life with him. And so I think. I think for me, it always has started with, like, putting myself in my rightful place of realizing I'm nothing without God. I can't do this without God. Like, I need him to get me through everything I go through. And then, like I said, kind of going back to the garden of, like, what we were made for originally. And, you know, there's when. When Adam and Eve chose to sin, that's when everything changed. That's when the world completely changed. And since then, we've had to deal with sin and the consequences of that. So ultimately, God is still good in the midst of everything. God might allow something to happen that we don't understand, but that doesn't make him not a good God. Yeah, he just has a plan and things. He also allows things to happen for our benefit and for his glory and to better us.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So, like, for example, my brother dying. You know, if Jacob hadn't died, which, obviously I would trade all this to have him back. But if he hadn't died, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. I wouldn't be on stage every night sharing the gospel and sharing my testimony and traveling the country. I wouldn't have written my Jesus. I wouldn't be singing. So it's like when you look at stories and you're able to see, okay, God was in this. He was working this for our good. I think that's where trust comes in and just saying, like, God, I'm gonna trust you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, it's also about giving you just the strength to. Like, you said you would trade it all to have him back, but there's no way you could have been as successful as you've been in a very cutthroat industry, if you haven't. If you didn't go through so much hurt so young, you know, because you've already felt the worst thing you could possibly feel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So now I like to say, anything else that comes along, you're like, okay, this is easy. Like, I can get through this. And that was God giving you the strength that he knew you were gonna need.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

I don't know how. You are, like, remarkable. You really are. And too. Wait, you're younger than me, aren't you?

[B]

Yeah, 23.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. How old are you? 28. I feel so old. Old.

[B]

My sister's 28.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You're not old at all. You are very.

[A]

Just insightful and like, God has such an anointing on your life. Thank you. Just sitting with you and hearing your story. And you released a devotional, right?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

For young people. Okay.

[B]

40 day devotional.

[A]

And what brought that about?

[B]

So, you know, like you said earlier, I think women always struggle with identity and our, you know, just the way we feel about ourselves. I mean, I'm sure you can relate with that. And through middle school for me, in high school, I was just really struggled with confidence. I felt very insecure. I just never felt like I had confidence in myself. And remember just really struggling with feeling like I wasn't pretty enough, wasn't worthy as, you know, like, we both grew up with phones.

[A]

Oh, yes. So social media, worst thing in the world for kids.

[B]

The worst thing in the world world. Like, comparing yourself to other girls on Instagram and not feeling good enough and all those feelings. And then especially the kids nowadays, like, this new generation of kids, they have it even worse than we did because.

[A]

At least we were like. I like to say I was at like, that cusp of, like, we still went outside, we played. We, like, I had like a firefly phone. Like, and kids these days don't even know what that is. But it was like a. You only could call your parents and, like, two other people from it, and that's it. So luckily we got that little bit of a childhood. But kids these days don't, like, they're on TikTok at 8 years old and they're. It's crazy.

[B]

Like, newborn babies know how to work phones.

[A]

Like, they know how to, like, click the buttons like, before they can even talk.

[B]

Yeah. It's so sad.

[A]

So you. You realize just.

[B]

I just realized what needed to be, like, said to these little girls and basically just reminders for them. And so I have a song called hey Girl that I released like three or four years ago on my first alb. And then that song birthed like basically like a ministry fan page Instagram account where it's called hey Girl Nation. And it's where girls just come together and we have devotionals on there and like different like encouraging videos and we have like a platform where we'll pick a hey Girl of the month and like pick a girl.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

And share her story. And so. And then that started to really grow and then that's really when the devotional came about. Okay, I want to do a devotional. I want to have something physical these little girls can hold. And so it's basically a 40 day devotional. It has a message for these girls and then it has like places in the back where you can. It'll ask you questions and teach little girls how to pray, little prayer sections on what to pray and like to write down things they're grateful for and just a ton of different things like that. So.

[A]

Wow, it's really sweet. That is amazing. So. And honestly, I don't even think it's not even necessarily for. Yes, it's for. It was meant for little girls, but it's also, it's for everyone, especially someone just exploring their faith. I feel like you have to hit it from like a child's perspective, you know, in a way, like if you know nothing about it, even as a young woman, like, hey, I. Some people I've, you know, I've had conversations with people, they're like, I feel so stupid. Like I don't even know how to pray. And there's nothing for adults that's like, hey, so this is. If you're, you're in your adult journey with your faith, this is how you do it. So something like this, this is even. What would you, what are some of the things that you touch on in this?

[B]

We talk a lot about girls struggling with like their identity, not feeling good enough, bullying girls that don't feel like they have good friends.

[A]

Talk a lot about, I'm going through all of that in my life, like as a almost 30 year old woman.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you need to get this.

[B]

We'Ll get you on.

[A]

But that's the thing. It's like the more you go through life, you realize that we're all just, just like wounded children.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

Like it's the same issues at 28 that you had at 16.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just may be in a more adult capacity, but it's all still the root issues.

[B]

It's so true.

[A]

That is amazing. So where can people find this devotional hater?

[B]

At my website, annwilsonofficial.com okay, we'll get you one.

[A]

Oh, I love it. I can't wait. I just think something like this, this so many people need and especially in this generation with TikTok and Instagram and there are influencers out here that are not preaching the word of God and not teaching these things. And it's not an easy cross to bear. All right guys, so this next sponsor is so important to me because it has the meaning behind it. Story Worth they are absolutely amazing. And before I get into this, I don't know if you guys have a grandmother like I have. Nanny Faye is always telling stories about her life. These stories are stories that I want to document forever. That's why I have purchased for myself the Story Worth Memoirs. And that's why I recommend you doing the same for your loved ones this holiday season. It might sound a little intimidating, but it is so easy. They will love it. It's a gift they won't see coming. Something that makes them feel truly special. And it turns out that it's actually a a gift for you too. Each week, Storyworth emails a loved one a memory provoking question that you get to choose questions like what were your favorite toys as a child? Or what are you most proud of? All your loved one needs to do is respond to that email with a story. They can either write a story over email or record it over the phone for Storyworth to transcribe. After a year, Storyworth compiles your loved one's stories and photos into a beautiful keepsake. Hardcover book are printed in vibrant colors. It's a treasure your loved one and you will be able to share and revisit for generations. This year they added a bunch of new features to make storytelling even easier with personalized questions and magic editor. Meanwhile, their magic layout and new book designs make finished books and especially photos look even more beautiful. I absolutely love Storyworth. They've printed over a million books and preserved 35 million stories since their founding 13 years ago. I use this and you should too. It is absolutely amazing and I can't wait to have these memories for generations to come. Give your loved ones a unique keepsake you'll all cherish for years. Storyworth Memoirs right now save $10 or more during their holiday sale when you go to storyworth.comunlocked that's storyworth.comunlocked to save $10 or more on your own, order this episode of Unlocked Is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some details about yourself and see if you're eligible to save money. When you bundle your home and auto policies. The process only takes minutes and it could mean hundreds more in your pocket. Visit progressive.com after this episode to see if you could save Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all savings states. Has there been times for you that you have felt you have to live like this picture perfect image and you can't mess up and if you do, there's shame associated with that?

[B]

Yeah, definitely. I mean, especially being, you know, a role model to these little girls. A lot of, a lot of moms tell me that at concerts, like you're my, my daughter's idol or my daughter's role model. And that can be pressure. You know, know I'm only 23. Like trying to be someone's role model as a 23 year old is, is a lot of pressure. But I've learned over the last couple years through counseling, like just how to not let that get to me and how to take that as a compliment. Yes, I want to be a role model, but also I'm, I'm a 23 year old and I'm going to make mistakes, I'm going to fall short and ultimately I'm going to do the best I can to be a good role model. But I also have to be a 23 year old and I have to live my life. And so I kind of have to find the balance of, of that because like, no human being can live under that kind of pressure.

[A]

No, it's, that's how you end up just like combusting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you're 23. If you want to go out and have a drink or you want to go out and do. It's just, it's tough because I do remember kind of living that, especially being on TV from like 15 to 25. Yeah. It's like there was just this image of how I was supposed to be versus. It's so easy to get lost in who you're told to be versus who you actually are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Yeah, that, that's hard.

[B]

Yeah. I can't imagine you having to go through that.

[A]

Well, hey, we all like kind of come together, you know, when you realize like the things that each other's endured and the pressure of it. I just wish more people on the outside realized that it is a lot of pressure. To, like, look at someone, I say it's like what we do with our parents. Right. We look at them as, like, superheroes. And for me, as an ad, I said that, like, life became so much easier, and I was able to make sense of things so much faster when I realized that, like, my parents aren't superheroes, like, they're adults, like I am now. They're normal people. They make mistakes. They're not going to do everything perfectly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Okay, so you have your devotional, and then your album just dropped.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Came out last month. It's called Stars, and there's a song, the title track, stars, is. Is all about me wanting to be an astronaut as a kid and. And, like, how my dreams have changed. And really, honestly, like, the whole record is about how I kind of exchanged my dream of what I wanted to do with my life for what God wanted to do with my life. And. And that's been really sweet, so just to see the response. But there's 12 songs on the album, and I wrote them in May of this year, which is the fastest I've ever put out.

[A]

That is insane. You hear that?

[B]

No. I know. I wanted.

[A]

How did that happen?

[B]

Well, we started with 23 in February, and then I was like, I want to write a record, but I want to put it out while I'm 23. So we. We went to the beach, we went to 30A in May, and we wrote the record, and then we recorded in July and put it out in October. So.

[A]

Holy cow. That does not happen in the music. I know. Like, a friend of mine just released an album and, like, has been working on it for, like, two years. Yeah, right.

[B]

And it's like, that's always how it is.

[A]

That. Yeah. That is such. Again, that is such a God thing. Yeah. That is absolutely amazing. So you're on tour now and how. What are your tour dates? Like, how many stops have you done this year so far?

[B]

So this year, total, we played probably 85 to 90 shows.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But we finished up the Stars tour. We have a Christmas run next week, and then we're pretty much done for the year with shows.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But next year, we're going on the Stars Tour. Spring and fall. We're super excited.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

Yeah. We're extending the Stars. Stars tour, and we're going to Canada for the first time. We've never played a show outside of the country, so we're gonna be.

[A]

That's gonna be. I love Canada. Love Canada.

[B]

And I can't wait.

[A]

Oh, my gosh you're gonna love it. It's amazing. And I think, too, just what you're doing, like, I can't imagine how amazing that feels to know that. All right. Like, you're not just spreading the word of God. Like, it shows in the US like, now, you know, Canada, and who knows after that, like, where you'll be?

[B]

I can't wait.

[A]

Which is absolutely amazing. And who. Who do you have on tour with you this spring?

[B]

We haven't announced yet who's hanging out, but we had Jordan Rowe out this fall, who's a country artist. So incredibly talented. And he's newer. He does Kingdom country is what he calls it. It's like country music, but all about God, and it's really cool.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

He's so gifted.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. So do. Who do you have that goes on tour with you?

[B]

I have an incredible team. I have a. Of five boys. Love them so much. They're like my big brothers. They're all married with kids and. But they're. We call them my cowboys because I dress them up, like, with cowboy hats and cowboy boots.

[A]

That's amazing. Do your parents ever come out? They used to.

[B]

Yeah, they. And they come out sometimes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Which is fun. My sister is my stylist, so.

[A]

No way.

[B]

So she styles me for shows and takes out all my clothes, and so she comes out sometimes, and that's really fun. Fun. And. And this, like, this last tour, we had 24 people on the tour, so just crew the people setting up the stage and all that goes into it. So that's a lot.

[A]

Absolutely insane.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What is, like, a fun little fact about you that people don't know whether it's, like, in your routine, preparing for a show or your everyday life?

[B]

That's such a good question. I don't know. Maybe.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like, I.

[A]

Like.

[B]

I. It's probably the astronaut thing.

[A]

I feel like people just don't know that.

[B]

A lot of people don't know that. People just assume. I've always wanted to do music my whole life, and when they find that out, they're like, wait, you wanted to be an astronaut?

[A]

An astronaut. So different from, like, how. How does that happen?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. That is so funny. So you don't have anything, like, what's your. Like, getting ready for a show? Like, like, what's a day in the life of getting ready for a show?

[B]

Okay, well. Well, starts off with waking up in. On the bus. I always go get Mexican food for lunch every single day.

[A]

Stop. It doesn't matter where you're at.

[B]

It doesn't matter. I eat Mexican food every day of my life. I had it for lunch before I came here.

[A]

Stop it.

[B]

I ate Mexican food every day.

[A]

Okay, what's your favorite Mexican spot in town?

[B]

In town? Probably Tito's.

[A]

Tito? Yeah. You know better.

[B]

Some people don't like it. Oh, I have not had to eat cinco.

[A]

What?

[B]

I've not had it.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Okay, I need to go get it. Yeah, I need to go get it.

[A]

Tomorrow. Cinco. Tomorrow.

[B]

I like. Have you had Mojo's?

[A]

No.

[B]

In Franklin?

[A]

No.

[B]

It's really good. There's so many good spots.

[A]

Okay, so you get Mexican. It doesn't matter where you're at.

[B]

Then I'll go sometimes I'll go tan the tanning bed.

[A]

I love the tanning bed. Okay. It's. I know. It's so bad for you. I know. I know. My friends get onto me all the time, but I'm like, okay, life can just be tough sometimes, and I just need.

[B]

I need to have it. In the winter. I get seasonal depression really bad.

[A]

Yes. It's.

[B]

I gotta have my. Like, I went this morning. I have to have my tan.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I can't live without it.

[A]

No, it's just like, hey, if that's my only, like, vice, then we're doing good.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Because it truly does, like, just the light itself. I'm like, okay, so you go suntan city. Yes. Sun tan city is the place.

[B]

Which bed you do.

[A]

So they have a new one at the one on West End. That. That's like super, like, high luxe bed. It's amazing. Wait, I can't. And the highest time you can, I think, like, you can only lay for, like, nine minutes max because it's so strong.

[B]

Is it like an instant bed? Like an instant category, you know? Yeah, I think fastest. Faster.

[A]

Yes. It's the instant.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, I need to go try this.

[A]

Oh, it's absolutely amazing.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm gonna go try this.

[A]

Okay. Hey, maybe you could, like, go lay again today since you went to one, like, in Franklin. Brought to you by the American Cancer Society. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. So if you're listening, you know, we know it's bad, but it just brings us joy. Okay, so you'll go Mexican tanning bed sometimes.

[B]

And then I'll go. Sometimes I go on, like, a walk just to get outside and. And be, like, in nature and get clear my mind. And then me and my best friend who travels with me, we always go to, like, a coffee shop. We'll Go to a cute coffee shop, get coffee, get some work done.

[A]

Stop. So your best friend that travels with you, how long long has she been traveling?

[B]

With me for three years. Yeah. Yeah. So she's my photographer and so it's just, it works out when she comes.

[A]

Isn't it amazing to be able to work with people that you love?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, and people that you know you can trust.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then are going to have your back and especially when you're gone from home so much.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It just feels good to have like a little bit of home with you.

[B]

Yeah. It's so true. It makes all the difference.

[A]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

And then normally we'll come back and get ready for the show and I'll do a meet and greet every day, day of 100, 150 people.

[A]

God bless.

[B]

Before the show and then. And do. Do the show. So. Wow.

[A]

Okay. And so in the midst of all of this, how do you find time to like be a 23 year old?

[B]

A lot of that is when I'm back home. You know, it's like on the road, it's really hard for me to do that. But when I'm home, I feel like this year one of my goals was just like to prioritize community in Tennessee. And I feel like I've really done that this year and just try to create like times where I can just really be myself with my girlfriends and have like group get togethers and go, do, you know, fun things, go on trips together with my friends. Like, I've really tried to prioritize that this year and, and so how have you.

[A]

I would assume that like maybe you're dating or you've tried today or.

[B]

For sure, there's been a lot of.

[A]

It's hard in Nashville.

[B]

It's hard.

[A]

It's hard, hard. Oh, it's awful. It's actually terrible.

[B]

Yeah. The worst dating scenes in the country.

[A]

It is. Because there's. What, what do they say? There's three women for every one guy is like the stat.

[B]

10.

[A]

No, it's 10 now. I guess it was three when I moved here 11 years ago.

[B]

Stop. And I've realized for every like one, like there's 10 girls for every one guy. That would be. Or wait, is that. Am I saying that right?

[A]

Yeah, you're right.

[B]

One guy for every 10 girls.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That would be the standard of what they're looking for. Which is just the bare minimum.

[A]

Which is. And in today's day and age, guys barely give that.

[B]

They like, they don't give the bare minimum.

[A]

So how do you. Is that, like, something that's important to you right now or.

[B]

No, it's always important to me for sure. But I feel like I've always been in the place in my life of just like, I. I wrote a song on the record called hold you'd Horses. You have to go listen to this.

[A]

Okay, I have to.

[B]

And it's basically the hook of the song is, before you give a guy your heart, like, hold your horses, like, make sure it's the right person. And I just feel like there's so much. You know, I think marriage is the. One of the biggest decisions that you make in your life.

[A]

The biggest decision.

[B]

And so whenever it's. I think for me it's just like making sure it's the right person. And. And I've always just been really open about that part of my life and prayerful about that part of my life. And so especially with Hate Girl Nation and these girls looking up to me and everything, I really try and with that area of my life, just pray about it and, like, be open about it. But I mean, yeah, like, I've talked about on different podcasts over the last year. Really just like, dating is just not good here. And in general, guys don't know how to ask girls out anymore. They don't know how to be forward.

[A]

What would you say is, like, do you have, like, a horror story or just like, where it just went really, really south that you're like.

[B]

I mean, I.

[A]

Very relatable.

[B]

I have. Okay. I don't know if I specifically have a horror story. Thank God.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't. I've not been in a moment that's been like, okay, that was awful. I've been in a moment where I got like the ick or I cringed out of my mind. But not. Not horror story. My friends have had horror stories.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Like just being treated awful or finding out one. One of my friends found out that her boyfriend was engaged to another girl the whole time and had no idea.

[A]

Stop.

[B]

No idea.

[A]

No. Literally no idea.

[B]

No idea.

[A]

How did he play this off?

[B]

He, like, didn't have social media, so there was like, no way to find out. They had only been dating for two or three months. Was early on, but he had been, like, engaged to another girl the whole time.

[A]

And so he's just living two totally two different lives.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

This is just insane.

[B]

I saw a stat yesterday that the average Gen Z, because you're Gen Z too, which I love, the average Gen Z is getting married at 32 right now. Or like, will get married at 32 compared to like our parents generation getting married at like 23, 24. Yeah, I know.

[A]

And my parents are like, like, really? Not my mom. My mom's like, go live your life. Enjoy life. And my dad's like, oh, I guess, you know, I'm just gonna be in a nursing home by the time you have kids. And like, because they were, you know, 21 and yeah, like married and having kids and whatever. And I'm like, hey, hold up. Like, this is not the same day and age. They're not men who are no, like, what they used to be.

[B]

They're not.

[A]

I'm like, that's why I date much older. Because at least I get a little better of something, you know? Like, yes, I know a lot of.

[B]

My friends date a lot older. Yes.

[A]

Because I'm just. And people don't really have just. I see so many people to our age that I'm like, what do you do for work? You know, like, people are just out at like noon on a Tuesday.

[B]

It's like, what do you do? Or what do you want to do? Do you want to have a family? Do you want to be. Be the provider? Or do you just want to sit and do nothing all day?

[A]

Yes, exactly. Because I just have to have like, I want that like, dominant male energy. But I feel like you can have like the dominant male energy while also having someone who is kind and sweet and nurturing and it's just hard to find, you know?

[B]

Yeah, it is. It's hard. And especially guys are so much more like, they take a long time to mature compared to, to us on average. So it's like that and then you just consider all the, the different aspects of everything. And it's just really hard in today's world. And I think I've been saying for the last year, like, men, there needs to be like a revival for men.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

A wake up call for men. Like, yes, this is what needs to happen. Like, you guys need to get, you know, your life together. You need to like, learn how to treat a woman and ask her on a date and be bold and be the pursuer. And it's just. And I know that when there's things with women too, it's on both sides, but.

[A]

But also too, I feel like, and people can say what they want, but I feel like with men, men always want to be the dominant figure. They want respect, they want these things. Well, I'm sorry if you're not worthy of that and you're not showing up how you're wanting to be treated. Like it's a totally different. If you're, like, texting me and. And can't pick up a phone and call me and can't say, like, hey, I'd like to take you out. Can I come pick you up? Can I? Instead, it's like, hey, meet me here. And they won't even, like, buy you an Uber, you know?

[B]

Yeah. That's so, like.

[A]

No.

[B]

Pitiful.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm all. I'm all set there. Gosh. Okay, so now we're just gonna manifest for you. Okay. We're gonna manifest. I do this with all my friends, and then they're like, savannah, you should take a look at your life. But it's fine. It's fine.

[B]

That's my eye out for you. I got you. I love matchmaking.

[A]

See, we all do that. Girls do that so they don't have to focus on their own lives.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You know? True. It's so true. Like, I'm calling us all out. We do that so we don't have to focus on stuff.

[B]

I'll, like, set my friend up and be, like, thrilled, you know, that I set someone up.

[A]

And then she's like, ann, that is amazing. Okay, so next is you've got your Christmas. Got Christmas and then Christmas tour, and then next year, where can people find your tour dates?

[B]

My website, annwilsonofficial.com.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

21 shows. That's amazing.

[B]

It's gonna be awesome.

[A]

And then Canada, right?

[B]

Yep. We end it in Canada.

[A]

I love it. Well, I absolutely loved having you on and sharing your story and talking about Jacob and the impact he's had on your life. It's just. It's amazing. So thank you. Thank you.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

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[B]

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