That's My Truth (feat. Alexis Wilkins)

Summary

Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley

Episode: That's My Truth (feat. Alexis Wilkins)
Release Date: January 20, 2026
Host: Savannah Chrisley | Guest: Alexis Wilkins

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Unlocked, Savannah Chrisley welcomes Alexis Wilkins—country music artist, political commentator, and activist—for an intimate, candid conversation about identity, standing in truth, the pitfalls of public life, and the challenges of navigating media scrutiny. Together, they unmask the reality of being women in politics and the entertainment industry, discuss the toll of misinformation, and reflect on maintaining authenticity under pressure.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Alexis Wilkins' Multifaceted Journey

• Background in Music & Politics
  • Alexis started as a songwriter for various genres before launching her own artist career in Nashville.
    • "I started out in country music writing for other artists in both the pop and hip hop world and country music. And then of course, writing for myself, which launched into... doing the artist thing." (02:08, Wilkins)
  • She moved from small-town Arkansas and a stint in Europe to Nashville at a young age, attending Belmont University.
• Political Activism and Roles
  • Served as interim Press Secretary for Congressman Abel Hamadeh, sits on the NRA board, and comments on current events.
    • “I'm on the NRA board, you know, senior fellow for organizations and different programs.” (03:34, Wilkins)
  • Inspired by disparities and growing polarization in entertainment and on university campuses, she became more outspoken about her values.
    • “When it starts to become this polarizing, you have to stand up and say something. And I'm clearly not going to bend the knee to the entertainment industry.” (07:41, Wilkins)
• Relationship with Turning Point
  • Early involvement with Turning Point as a student, ultimately using it as a resource to amplify her voice.
    • “It really started, honestly, with Turning Point as me using it as a resource.” (08:50, Wilkins)

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2. Navigating Public Controversy & Defamation

• Being in the Public Eye
  • Media and online speculation often distill Alexis to “Cash Patel’s girlfriend,” overlooking her own extensive accomplishments.
    • “You're so much more than that. So that's why I wanted to emphasize who you were.” (09:28, Chrisley)
• Handling False and Damaging Rumors
  • Faced internet rumors accusing her of being an “Israeli spy.” Initial silence was meant to deprive the rumor of oxygen but ultimately led to legal action.
    • “I didn't want to give the fire any oxygen...I probably would have said something more straightforward now if I, you know, having known.” (16:12, Wilkins)
  • Filed a lawsuit against the originator of the claims for defamation, describing how false allegations have tangible, dangerous consequences—death threats, business losses, and personal distress.
    • “It not only puts me in tangible, physical danger...but it also puts a huge looming cloud that bleeds over...” (17:41, Wilkins)
• Protecting Identity and Faith
  • Alexis brings out her childhood baptism certificate to counter online accusations about her religious background.
    • “For someone to start a rumor online that not only twists your relationship, your personal character, your integrity, but also your faith, it feels like an onslaught, a purposeful attack...” (21:51, Wilkins)
  • She shares how this scrutiny has affected her family—her mother searching for proof of her Christian faith to defend her online.

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3. Consequences of Misinformation & Online Harassment

• Impact on Personal and Professional Life
  • The rumors negatively affected her ability to book performances, collaborate musically, and maintain professional relationships, especially given her openly patriotic stance.
    • “It also affects your business. Because if you're getting paid to perform at political events or...maybe a songwriter doesn't want to write with you...” (20:15, Chrisley)
• Legal Boundary Between Free Speech and Defamation
  • Alexis emphasizes the importance of the First Amendment, but draws a clear line at the deliberate spread of falsehoods designed to ruin reputations.
    • “What is not included is defamation...Saying things that are completely untrue to ruin someone's life, their career, their reputation, the things that they have built.” (28:10, Wilkins)
  • Lawsuit as a step to reclaim her power and set precedent against monetized misinformation:
    • “You gotta draw a line in the sand. You say, don't mess with me. I know I look like an easy target, but I am not." (29:54, Wilkins)

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4. Protecting Relationships and Private Life

• Maintaining Relationship with Cash Patel
  • Alexis describes how she and Cash built a strong foundation before the public drama, and how they support each other against media attacks.
    • "We have a great foundation. We have a great support system in one another, in our families." (34:08, Wilkins)
  • She asserts they do not discuss confidential information relating to Cash’s work.
    • "We don't talk about anything to do with his work. That was very well understood from day...I don't want to know. He would never tell me anyway." (49:30, Wilkins)
• Window Dressing Versus Reality
  • The real relationship is distinct from what media tries to exploit.
    • “I just don't want to be turned into something that you can use against the person that I love. That's horrible.” (34:47, Wilkins)

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5. Being a Woman in Male-Dominated Spaces

• Facing Stereotypes and Doubts
  • Both Savannah and Alexis relate experiences where their abilities were underestimated due to their gender.
    • “People assume that you're not tough...people look at you and make certain assumptions about what your intelligence is going to be.” (39:32, Wilkins)
  • Discuss the added effort and higher standards required for women in politics and conservative movements, especially when staying true to personal values.
    • “You don't get to waltz in to the NRA board and be put on three committees just by, you know, sitting there and looking pretty.” (37:16, Wilkins)
• Intra-Women Criticism
  • The hardest criticisms often come from women, who project their own struggles.
    • "It's always, not always, but the majority of the time, these hateful comments are coming from women...It's a mirror, ultimately." (40:54, Chrisley/Wilkins)

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6. Media, Influence & Responsibility

• Mainstream vs. Influencer Media
  • Both critique how influencers now routinely parrot mainstream media and fail to check facts, even as they once disdained traditional outlets.
    • “The influencer crowd that a year ago thought that mainstream media was, you know, the least credible source is now parroting the fake news media.” (33:07, Wilkins)
  • Inaccurate reporting and unchecked rumors are now commonplace, with little accountability or research. Both wish for more substantive debate and critique over surface-level attacks.
    • “The thing that nobody's really attacking is my work.” (44:23, Wilkins)

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7. Personal Resilience and the Power of Truth

• Faith and Belief as Anchors
  • Alexis shares how her faith, family and inner resilience have helped her weather repeated attacks, drawing the most strength from clinging to her spiritual identity.
    • “What I would say is, like, I would like to be remembered for my faith. I am a Christian.” (21:02, Wilkins)
• Message to Her Younger Self
  • Reminds herself (and listeners) that present difficulties prepare us for tougher ones ahead, but stresses the importance of using adversity for a greater purpose.
    • “Everything that you think is difficult now is preparing you for what you will know to be difficult later.” (54:03, Wilkins)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On standing firm:
  “When it starts to become this polarizing, you have to stand up and say something. And I'm clearly not going to bend the knee to the entertainment industry." (07:41, Wilkins)

• On strategic silence:
  “I didn't want to give the fire any oxygen...I probably would have said something more straightforward now if I, you know, having known.” (16:12, Wilkins)

• On the real danger of rumors:
  “It not only puts me in tangible, physical danger...but it also puts a huge looming cloud that bleeds over...from the really fluffy, no research Internet, Twitter space...into reality.” (17:41, Wilkins)

• On the necessity of drawing lines:
  “You gotta draw a line in the sand. You say, don't mess with me. I know I look like an easy target, but I am not." (29:54, Wilkins)

• On seeking the truth and research:
  “If you do one iota of research, you would know that that was false. And that concerns me...If you can't find one detail and figure out the truth about it, you know, how are we approaching big things?” (45:30, Wilkins)

• On legacy and faith:
  “I would like to be remembered for my faith. I am a Christian.” (21:02, Wilkins)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:00-05:00] Wilkins recounts her path in music and initial steps into politics.
• [06:45-08:50] Alexis discusses first-hand experiences with political bias in higher education, early activism, and Turning Point origins.
• [09:00-11:00] Addressing being defined solely by her relationship with Cash Patel.
• [15:00-17:30] The Israeli spy accusation, initial response, legal action, and online consequences.
• [21:00-24:00] The continued challenge of defending her faith and family’s efforts to counter misinformation.
• [28:10-30:00] The boundary between defamation and free speech, and reclaiming agency via legal means.
• [33:30-38:00] Women’s role in conservative and political spaces, stereotypes, and personal stories.
• [40:32-44:00] Dealing with intra-women criticism and influencer/media attacks.
• [49:30-52:30] Clarifying her professional boundaries with Cash, and being trusted to avoid confidential discussions.
• [54:03-55:55] Reflections on adversity, resilience, and channeling struggle into positive action.

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Conclusion

Savannah and Alexis close the conversation affirming the power of truth, conscious choice, and refusing to be defined by false narratives or hostility. Through courage and clarity—rooted in family, faith, and purpose—Alexis Wilkins emerges as a vivid example of steadfast authenticity in a chaotic digital world.

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Alexis Wilkins can be found on all streaming platforms and via her socials @lexiswilkins.

Transcript

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[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So you and I, we've like, run in the same circles for, it seems like a while now.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And then we saw you and your mom at the airport. That was amazing. Where were we going?

[Alexis Wilkins]

We were going to the Turning Point event. We saw each other there and then.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Coming back, then coming back. We were on the same flight. My dad was just like, messing with you. It was hilarious.

[Alexis Wilkins]

I loved it. I needed it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It's what I expected. Hey, it gives us. It gives us a good laugh.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, I love it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Your mom is an angel. Like an ang. Just, she's. Every time I see her, she's like your biggest supporter. Always has a smile on her face. Is like the most protective person. Yeah. It's amazing.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Thank you. She's the best.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

For people that don' Know your story, I mean, you're literally like the Jack of all trades. You are a country music artist, political commentator. I mean, you do everything I try. Yeah, exactly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah. So I. It's. It's. It's a long history, so I won't take us all the way through it, but I started out in country music writing for other artists in both the pop and hip hop world and country music. And then of course, writing for myself, which launched into, you know, doing the artist thing. And of course, being here in Nashville, ended up moving here for writing, which I started when I was super young, 15, 16 and then knew I wanted to go to college here as well. Okay, so all that and where did.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

You live before moving to Nashville?

[Alexis Wilkins]

I grew up mostly in Arkansas, a little bit in Europe for my dad's job when I was really young, he worked for Gillette.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

We'll get into that a little bit.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, we can get there. But I lived in Europe for a little bit, but mainly grew up in Arkansas, so coming here was great.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Arkansas, Europe, then Nashville. Like, do you ever look at your life and think, wow, I've done a lot in my life?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, you kind of look at the path, and I think now more than ever, just being reflective on where you've been and how you got places. It's something I didn't think about a lot, and now I'm thinking about it more.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes. And so obviously, with all the success that you've had, you also were like an interim press secretary, correct?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, So I came on as Congressman Abel Hamade's press secretary when he first was sworn in in January and was there for a few months. And just great team, you know, great to be with them. Was always kind of the plan to start up the office, get comms in D.C. rolling, and then ultimately, you know, get back to touring and political commentary and just kind of my normal stuff that I do. I'm on the NRA board, you know, senior fellow for organizations and different programs. So.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So what got you involved in politics? Like, how do you go from music to now? Getting involved in politics.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah. So I really was just looking at the political landscape in general when I was growing up and was always fascinated with it or by it. Loved history. Worked a lot with veterans. You had a lot of context to form my own opinions from there. But of course, I was in music and in my head at the time, no matter how much you know about something or no matter how big of an opinion you have, I was more of an advocate for, you know, people who do something creative should be building bridges and should be uniting. You know, I. I'm on, quote in a interview somewhere, you know, pre2020s, saying someone was trying to politicize something, which we'll get to that. But my answer was really, you know, nothing's less political than standing shoulder to shoulder at a concert with people you don't know and singing the same songs.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like, you're so united, you think, like, how many concerts you've been to. And like, if you're standing in the pit or you're somewhere and you're just screaming at the top of your lungs, like, Lyrics to some stranger next to you.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like, you're all friends at that point.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so for me at the time, the farthest that I personally wanted to go into, you know, representing that on a stage, before everything got super political and before I realized that, okay, no, people are talking about this and the voices do matter, was the fact that I work with veterans and I love America. I'm very patriotic, you know. You know, I think Cody Johnson's speech that he does during his concerts is phenomenal.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It gives me goosebumps every single time.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly. And so for me, that was where my head was. And then I started to see things shifting in the entertainment industry, even here in Nashville, you know, L.A. and New York, kind of.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It's crazy.

[Alexis Wilkins]

You get it?

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I have friends who, like a good friend of ours, like Jason Aldean, got dropped by his publicist of like 20 years, all because of what he stood for politically.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It was crazy.

[Alexis Wilkins]

It's wild. And, you know, he's a wildly successful artist who already built his fan base and his success.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So imagine, like build on your building phase.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And that happening. It has happened to you.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah. And so I was getting told by the industry, especially when the election in 2016 started to ramp up, to do certain things, to represent certain political figures, to donate to certain packs. And I just, I wasn't having it at the same time as I was going to Belmont University and, you know, was just encountering kind of the things that you see on campus ordinarily now, which unfortunately are run of the mill. I know you're familiar with it too. And I had a class, Comparative Politics, which to me, in my head, you know, democracy good, communism bad. Kind of not a really high stakes political class in that sense. But the professor was very keen on impressing his opinion upon the class.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

But you should never do as a professor, it's let have students teach them how to critical think, have their own critical thinking, their own opinions. It's not your job to tell them what they should think.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly. And so I was sitting there and I knew that there was a portion of the class that definitely believed what I believed. And we shared the same values, but those people were not saying anything and writing papers that they completely disagreed with in order to make a grade. And I understand that that felt like the only option for them. And I encountered that in several different classes. And I have a lot of college stories that that's kind of my jumping off point of where I got into all of this. But I just decided that, you know, when it starts to become this polarizing. You have to stand up and say something. And I'm clearly not going to bend the knee to the entertainment industry.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

No.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So I'm going to use my voice and I'm going to talk about America and I'm going to talk about being patriotic and kind of speak against some of those things. And it's funny because really, starting in 2016, I had reached out to this new organization that was just started called Turning Point, and called.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I didn't know that.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Oh, yeah. Called as a student and, you know, talked to Bill Montgomery, who was one of the original kind of people helping Charlie get this started. And, you know, he's on the phone with me and he's like, oh, you gotta come to our first. Our very first summit here in West Palm, and we've got this great guy, and, you know, he's just spearheading this whole thing. And I just. I really, truly in my bones believe that this guy is going to change the world, he's going to change the country, he's going to change the world. And he was talking about Charlie. And so starting then, I, you know, was given some of the tools to help become part of that conversation. And, you know, when it grew, I was attending things and growing with it. And so it really started, honestly, with Turning Point as me using it as a resource.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

That's amazing.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Speaking up myself and speaking to students and kind of launching off from there.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

That is amazing. I had no idea. And now you sing the national anthem at, like, I feel like every event.

[Alexis Wilkins]

When I literally, like, it doesn't matter.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It doesn't matter what event. Like, whether it's Turning Point or other random stuff, I feel like I always see you doing it. I don't know how you do it. Like, how many. How often were you gone in 2025?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Oh, gosh. This past year has been nuts. And I didn't think that it could top campaign season of 2024, but it's. It's rivaled it for sure. I have. I have been on the road a lot.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Wow, that's amazing. And so obviously, we've gone into who you are and what you stand for. I feel like a lot of interviews you do, it starts off with like, all right, well, this is the director of the FBI, Cash Patel's girlfriend, and you're so much more than that. So that's why I wanted emphasize who you were. Well, I appreciate it, but when it comes to you and Cash, there's obviously so many lies and conspiracy theories out there, but Y' all have been together for a while now.

[Alexis Wilkins]

We have, yes. We've been together almost three years, so lots of time before the last nine months of absolute craziness. Which of you know, and honestly, I have to say, to being Cash's girlfriend, I'm very proud of. So it's okay. I'm so happy to talk about it on your show. Thank you. Because you're not, you know, making a negative thing of it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

No, not at all.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Appreciate it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I see what y' all do. And obvious, like. And that's what's so great, is you're like, oh, I'm. Yes. Like, I'm so proud to be his girlfriend. But it's also, in the world of politics, as a woman, it's so easily like, you're so easily overlooked.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

You know, for who you are and what you bring to the table. And I think you guys are such, like, a power couple. But being with him has not been easy the past nine months, not because of him, but because of the public.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yes. It has been a media adventure, as we kind of anticipated. You know, you don't. As a couple, you don't go into this not having a conversation about what it's going to be like or, okay, you know, we're strong, and that's great, because this is, you know, it's going to be a challenge.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

What was the conversation that y' all had? Do you remember there being, like, a very. Just real conversation about, like, hey, this is what our life could potentially look like?

[Alexis Wilkins]

You know, what's interesting is I think that starting out, especially post election, when everyone's so excited and you're in this, you know, you're going to hearings and you're doing all this craziness that feels crazy anyway, and it's a crazy schedule, and you're just really. I was looking to just be there and support him. You kind of are just getting to the next hurdle so much that you almost don't have the opportunity to forecast much further than the next thing. That's difficult.

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[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

When we won the election, everyone's like, oh my gosh, it happened. This is amazing. Like, you're living on that high, so it's so hard for you to see any negative that could come from that.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, true. And it was obviously a very heightened, exciting time. But when you're kind of going through the process and learning a lot. I had no idea what a congressional hearing process would look like. And okay, he's gonna go meet with the senators. He's gonna do everything that you're supposed to do. And you kind of get. You start to see some onslaught of the media. But it's a decision, okay, yes, I wanna go to the hearing. I don't care if the media's mean to me. That's fine. Because in my head it was leftist media. It was legacy media that we're used to printing fake things and were used to being mean to us. And so I think as this year has gone on, that's been the most interesting flip for me is seeing, you know, and I'm sure we'll get to it, but seeing people across the spectrum using and referencing fake news media that we've Been without doing your research.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

That's my thing is you have all of these influencers and, like, your job as an influencer is to influence people in the right way with the truth. Like, you need to. Just because you see an article doesn't mean it's true. Like, do your research into it, know what you're talking about. Stop just being the mouthpiece that repeats things. And with all the media circus that's gone on, the biggest thing surrounding you that, like, I remember we had a conversation about it, like, as friends, and you're like, I just. You've stayed so quiet. But there was a podcaster that came out and said was like, doubling down that you're an Israeli spy and, like, Cash is dating an Israeli spy. You're putting the US at jeopardy. But all this stuff, and you stay quiet on it. And do you think that silence was. Now, looking back at all the times you were silent about that, do you think that was protecting you, or was your silence really hurting you?

[Alexis Wilkins]

You know, hindsight's 20 20, right? I think that at the time when this all started in July, I didn't want to give the fire any oxygen. I didn't want to take something that might have become a total nothing burger and not even gotten picked up by anyone because we weren't used to this culture of just picking something up and rolling with it, not doing any research and for clicks and such a dependency on the podcast and, like, social media unit. I probably would have said something more straightforward now if I, you know, having known, but.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

But it's back in July.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, I kind of. You don't want to know. You're supposed to kind of just.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

But also, you look at it and it's like, I'm so used to just, like, someone says something, I'm going to fire back at you. Yeah, but I think you handled it in the best way possible because instead of using your words to fight back, you use the legal system to fight back. And you've now, like, filed a lawsuit against this podcaster for spreading these false.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, I mean, the thing is, it's very clearly untrue. I mean, just as a base floor of this, and I don't often get to take people through it because it sounds like such an egregious claim.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes, exactly. And why. And for people that are listening, that may not understand, like, the severity of that claim, can you kind of go through that?

[Alexis Wilkins]

I can. I mean, it's interesting because at first read for me, I thought, this is ridiculous. Nobody's gonna believe this. Like, this is crazy. There's enough of me out there. You know, I did my show between the headlines during the campaign year. So many of my opinions are published on the Internet. People know that I have very nuanced takes on geopolitics. I am part Armenian, so I have big opinions on the caucuses and what that means and who funds whom. And, you know, I just didn't think that there would be any air to it. I just kind of thought, okay, whatever. I hope that most people out there in America looked at it and hopefully they know me, or maybe they know my history, maybe they don't know my history and thought, that's really ridiculous. But for the people that did take it as truth and didn't do any research, it is a huge problem because you have obviously people making these huge claims of proximity to someone who heads an American Bureau of Investigation and someone who's potentially foreign intelligence. I mean, that's a huge charge. And. And it not only puts me in tangible, physical danger. That's a huge problem with death threats, with things that you receive online, but it also puts a huge looming cloud that bleeds over from the really fluffy, no research Internet, Twitter space or X space that bleeds over into reality. And I just didn't think that it.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Was like you have a scarlet letter.

[Alexis Wilkins]

You know, what kind of. And it's weird because I'm used to someone taking something that did happen and spinning it and creating a fake headline and it being on CNN or something, and you go, okay, well that's so not factual. And they took that out of context. This one has no basis, nothing to refute, nothing that I can go on and say, okay, well, this happened because of this. And then people get into crazy land. They start going on X and using GROK to do all of their research, and then they use all of these AIs Source Other information on the Internet. It's crowdsourcing information. It's not even tangible. And it's so hard because for me, the biggest thing unilaterally, no matter the security threat, no matter anything, the biggest thing for me is that, you know, and just to say, like, this has affected tangibly pieces of my life. Of course it is scary.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It's been scary. And you have death threats, but at the same time, it also affects your business. Because if you're getting paid to perform at political events or you're getting your music, just whether it comes from a label or maybe a songwriter doesn't want to write with you or.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And you're already dealing with being pro patriotic, you already have that issue. And then to add the side that there's kind of a weird thing that you don't want to talk about because you don't want to give it air again, but it's affecting things. And you're a political commentator. You know, I've always been very serious about what my opinion means. And you're not taking money for my opinion, doing everything. What I'd like to say is, like, quote, unquote, right?

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so to get this charge that completely reverses all of that when I've been so careful and so conscious of it, has been really difficult. And honestly for me, it affected me massively. When people were in everything post Charlie, they were talking about remembering him for his faith. And that hit me like a ton of bricks. Not only because, of course, we're all mourning our friend, but also because I would like to be remembered for my faith. I am a Christian.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And that's gotten. I mean, you have the online says that you're Jewish.

[Alexis Wilkins]

That is what they say.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes. Online says you're Jewish, which, again, like, you said, like, okay, that I don't have anything against it, but fine.

[Alexis Wilkins]

But I'm a Christian. I believe in Jesus. And for someone to start a rumor online that not only twists your relationship, your personal character, your integrity, but also your faith, it feels like an onslaught, a purposeful attack in order to, you know, pervert everything about me into whatever they want to make it. And I get that. That's helpful, but it's so sad because, I mean, you know, my sweet little mom. Yeah, okay.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

She is an. Like, y'.

[Alexis Wilkins]

All.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I cannot get over it. Like, she is just an angel.

[Alexis Wilkins]

She's the best.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Love her.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So. She is. And you get this because you're very close to your family. My mom was, you know, I'm Armenian on my mom's side. I think there's some confusion about that because I call my grandpa my papa, but he's my grandpa. He's my mom's dad, but I call him Papa. And he's Armenian. He's where the Armenian comes from. So my mom is, you know, in our basement digging through records trying to find my baptism certificate. That's amazing, because she's like, how else do you, you know, you say anything and people say that. Well, that's what a spy would say. I'm not a spy. That's what a spy would say. I've never understood that. But you don't say anything. And you give people the opportunity to dream up all These things.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So I love that when you walk.

[Alexis Wilkins]

In the house, blur some of it out.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

This is amazing.

[Alexis Wilkins]

I'm trying to protect my family. But let me see it and then you can verify that is my baptism certificate.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes. I mean, it says it here you were baptized in. Can I say where you were baptized?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, sure.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

In Anaheim, California, on the 13th day of June in the year of our Lord. 1999. Yeah, 1999. So this is from a Methodist church, like very much.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I mean, your date of birth is also there. So, I mean, I see it.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So your mother. And that's what's so hard, is you're now fighting for your faith.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yes. That becomes so tangibly the one thing.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

That you hang onto and you find your strength from is now being tested.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly. You know, I'm clinging onto my faith to get through all of the things that I'm going through. And people on the Internet every day are yelling at me that that is not in fact my faith, that I'm also lying about it. I guess it's just very difficult. And then I did bring this to. This is my little papa.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Stop.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So that was us. We went to the 100th anniversary Armenian genocide march.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Wow. This is amazing. Oh, my gosh. I mean. Yeah, you definitely went.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

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[Alexis Wilkins]

Which is so funny to have to bring out references from your past, but.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I mean, but honestly, the truth always wins.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And when you have this kind of stuff, you shouldn't have to bring it out. But you're like, I, this is my truth. This is my life. So it's easy for me to access it because that is what it is.

[Alexis Wilkins]

There's no having to generate a lie because it's just the truth. But I think that people see me and they. It's very easy to think that, okay, we're gonna make up a fluffy story about this person, and if we're gonna lie about them, they'll just take it. And she probably can't speak to it. And maybe the first person who did it knew that they were doing it. But then everything else just catches like wildfire. And for me, then we get to the point of the actual fake news media saying random things and making up other things because they've had the podcaster influencer unit lying about me and saying, you know, things even past making up that I'm, you know, intelligence or anything, and saying that I'm stupid or saying that I'm young or saying, you know, it's very lazy and easy to try and form.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

You two have been together for three years.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. A long time before that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So this was, you know, I guess, I mean, maybe their story would make a little more sense if you start dating two months after he becomes the director. You know, like, just. But nothing about the stories make any sense whatsoever. Like, so what. What was the final straw for you and when you decided to take legal action?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, I think that the idea of speaking up was really going to be trivialized no matter how I did it. And I love the First Amendment in this country. I think it is our most important tenet of our Constitution. I think that it should be widely and unilaterally celebrated. But what is not included is defamation. Saying things that are completely untrue to ruin someone's life, their career, their reputation, the things that they have built. For me, it's just such a precedent where if we continue to allow People to just lie online and make a lot of money on it and tear down people that have worked very hard, not just for the movement, but for this whole thing that we're all trying to, I think, contribute to. And it's becoming to the point where I think that that's reversing. And of course, happy people don't make money.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Exactly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Like happy news doesn't make money. Special interest, happy pieces are not really where. Where the big money in influencing lives. And so I think that for me, it was just, okay, I should be allowed to stand up for myself. And I know that anything I say, it will be, oh, she can't take a. Well, she can't justify this. Or that's exactly what a spy would say. There's really no win there.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

No, there isn't.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so for me, I just. I'm not a damsel in distress. I'm not, you know, this weakling that you can just shove up against the proverbial Internet wall. I don't want to have to, you know, go down this path. It's not something that's fun for me.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, no, you're also spending money to go down this path.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, exactly. But you know what? At some point, you gotta draw a line in the sand. You say, don't mess with me. I know I look like an easy target, but I am not.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And I think a lot of that too, like filing this lawsuit had to have felt like you were taking your power back in some way. Because the emotional toll that it took on you of just being the punching bag time and time again, this was your way of kind of like, all right, I'm gonna make this right. I'm gonna take my power back. I'm gonna show people that you can't just screw around with people.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, I mean, it absolutely did. And as hard as it is to make those decisions, you know, I think there's been a conversation online trying to say that, you know, I'm pushing back on people's free speech or I'm, you know, making these decisions lightly. I'm certainly not. But I think that at some point, your past conversations, and I don't really want to. There's not a world in which anything gets better by sitting down and continuing to be a punching bag. Even if that meant a conversation, even that, you know, it's just. That's not how the world works. I wish it did. I would much prefer to have conversations even if they are hard. But that's not the grown up adult world. It's just not And I think that people thought that I would be an easy target, but I'm not interested in that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So I guess with all of that to say, you are not an Israeli spy.

[Alexis Wilkins]

No, no, I am not. And I think it's funny because I just. I went on something recently, and a lot of the comments were like, oh, why did she laugh about that?

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Because it's laughable. Well, yes, it really is.

[Alexis Wilkins]

The charge is laughable. The effects are not laughable. But I think the. The reason that I sometimes don't know how to react anymore because people are, you know, I'm under a microscope. People are looking for a reaction is because this has had, you know, massive, tangible effects on my life, obviously, and affected my family, affected their safety. You know, my parents address, like, all of this stuff.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It's really hard, especially after seeing what happened to Charlie. Like, you don't take these things lightly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

No. And I think that people think like, oh, she says she's getting death threats. Like. Like, I'm not saying anything. First of all, like, people just. The media decided to put all this stuff out there and, you know, about detail about all this stuff that's very real. You know, when you're getting death threats by the hundreds and they are credible and they are picking people up, you know, that's not something that you can take lightly anymore. And so when I do have a reaction where it is funny to be asked, you know, so you're not an Israeli spy.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It is.

[Alexis Wilkins]

It is funny in some senses. But I also get yelled at on the Internet that I need to take a joke and I need to understand what a joke is, and I need to, you know, no reaction is, you're.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Never gonna make everyone happy.

[Alexis Wilkins]

No, no, no. And the thing with that, too, is there's all these, of course, other tangential pieces where I have people on the Internet and the mainstream media making things up that I'm a party girl, that I'm, you know, all these things, that I'm drunk. And the funny part is that I don't. I don't drink.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

That is amazing.

[Alexis Wilkins]

You heard it here first. I don't drink. If you know me, you know that I just. It's just not really my thing.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yeah.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And who cares if you did?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, exactly. But the influencer crowd that a year ago thought that mainstream media was, you know, the least credible source is now parroting the fake news media. And I don't know which world that we've arrived in where that makes any sense. A year ago, CNN or msnbc or whoever to publish a story, and we would all look at each other and go like, oh, that's hilarious. Oh, my gosh. They just made that up. But now you have people who I thought were on my team or on America's team parroting this because it supports their story, of course. And so you have all these things kind of reverberating into the space of reality. And that's what's crazy to me, is that I no longer recognize some of the landscapes in which we operate.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes. And. And when it comes to the media and like, your relationship, how do you protect something that is so sacred to you while it being plastered in the media? Like, how do you protect your relationship?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, the thing is. And to go back to the fact that we've been together long before all of this, so we got a lot of time to not have all of this circus going on, and we're really. You built your foundation good with each other. Exactly. We have a great foundation. We have a great support system in one another in our families. You know, we're great. And so that makes all of the rest of it very much window dressing. But for me, you know, I start to get really frustrated when they do try to weaponize me. Anything about me, anything that they make up about me against him, because that's never what someone's partner wants to be used for. I don't want to be turned into something that you can use against the person that I love. That's horrible. And so for us, I just don't.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Know how, like, that's the hard part, too, is because it does take a toll. And even, like, there's a headline that comes out so false. Do you ever feel like you have to say to him, like, you know this isn't true. Right. Like, even though you know he knows it's not true, it's just, like, I think that's just part of loving someone so much that when you see a lie that could potentially hurt them, you're like, hold on.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah. I mean, what I love about him is, among many things, is that he knows exactly who I am. And so I don't think I've ever had to send him something and say, this isn't true, because he knows, you know, that's amazing. He sees a fake news article that comes out in the mainstream, one of these recent ones, and he is rolling his eyes because he already knows it's not true. And I think he was included in one of them. So he definitely knows it's not true.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Exactly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

But especially the Stuff about me or, you know, he just. It's not even even a question. He's never once had to question, you know, my character, anything about me, and vice versa, you know.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, that's how, you know you're in.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like the right relationship, the lifelong relationship when you don't have to question those things that you're like, okay, this is laughable, but it still obviously doesn't hurt any less, you know.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So when it comes to being in politics as a woman, how difficult is that?

[Alexis Wilkins]

It's an interesting question.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

There's a story of I went and had lunch at the White House and I was the only female at the table. There was like eight people probably at the table. And at the end, one of the guys was like, oh, I thought you were going to be like the quiet, sweet one at the table. And I was like, no. Okay, that's interesting. You know, but that's how you're viewed in a lot of just circumstances.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, no, it's true. That story is a perfect example. Yes. Because the stuff that you encounter is surprising because you've worked just as hard to get there. I mean, I can't speak for you, but I can look at your story and go like, Savannah has had to kick somebody butt.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Exactly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And open a can of whoop butt to get anywhere. So, you know, power to you for real, girl. But for me, I know how hard I've had to work to get into the rooms that I've gotten into. You know, you don't get to waltz in to the NRA board and be put on three committees just by, you know, sitting there and looking pretty. You know, the things that I've worked on, I'm very proud of. I've long been a two way advocate. You're becoming a senior fellow for an organization where all the other fellows are, you know, much older than me. Isn't something that you just get to do because you showed up that day. You know, there's no attendance trophies or participation trophies in the conservative.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Ten times harder.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Ten times harder.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah. And I noticed that before all of this, you know, I've had to work extra hard in music because I would not bend the knee to a troublesome industry. You know, I wasn't going to do sketchy things as a female artist when it was big with male executives. I wasn't going to, you know, make any compromises in my character when I was being asked to advocate for, you know, a different candidate than I actually believed in. And that taught me a lot about just having to keep pounding and do it exactly your way and not make any compromises. And then you lean into politics. I had to fight for grades at Belmont. I had to go get an F grade reversed because it was politically.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And that's what I've told students. Like when I've spoken at these colleges for Turning Point, I've said, like, no grade is worth you sacrificing what you believe in and what you know is right. Yeah, like I don't care if a professor fails you, you go in and fight against them.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly. Well, I'd rather, I mean, now I'm on the other side. I would much rather someone come to me with or go to their potential place of employment with a lower gpa. Not that they even ask about your GPA when you go to apply for a job. Don't worry, that's never something that comes up. Don't panic. Take the lower grades, stick with your guns. But I'd rather someone come in with a really good story about how they stuck to their guns and stuck up for what they believe in and explain that whole thing, than make that compromise and come out with honors or whatever it is.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Exactly.

[Alexis Wilkins]

You know, having to just pound for a long time and then in politics and then, you know, showing up as a five foot woman, people assume that you're not tough.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

People assume you're not smart, you're short, but you're mighty. You're like, you are a force.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Thanks. Like people assume things. I mean, you know how it is. People look at you and make certain assumptions about what your intelligence is going to be. Exactly, exactly what your integrity is going to be. And I just have always found it fascinating and then kind of post all of this other media craziness and all of the swarm of that. I think people doubled down on investing in thinking that I'm going to be a certain way, that I'm not going to be warm, that I'm not going to be. Or maybe they think I'm going to be all giggly. I mean, there was a podcaster recently who really just sold that I was going to be kind of a giggly idiot and yelled at me. As a woman, don't you love, I.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Say, the people that have come at me, like when my parents got pardoned, they were like, oh well, you either had to sleep for it or pay for it. And the View, the View made a comment of wonder what she had to do for that. And I'm like, it's always. Not always, but the majority of the time, these hateful comments are coming from women.

[Alexis Wilkins]

It's true.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like, women.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Because they. And that's just the truth. Nobody wants to say it. It's because that's what they would do. It's either because. Because that's how they got there, or that's how they think you had to get there. You know, whatever it is, it's a mirror, ultimately. I mean, anyone that says anything like that about you, about your family, about me, about my family, it's really just a charge on what they think, on what they would do. I mean, Candace was yelling at the camera, at Alexis Wilkins, get off the Internet, little girl, if you can't take a joke. Yeah. And I just thought it was fascinating because, you know, I have been here a long time and made a career just like the rest of us have, really revolving around social media and, in some parts, the Internet and being a public Persona. I am a decently serious person. I'm not, like, you know, very giddy. I don't know how to explain it. And it's interesting because I saw a video of her at my age, sitting across from Charlie, you know, laughing and babbling. And so I just find it fascinating what people choose to picket other people for.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well. And, like, why do we have to do that? You know, like, why do we. Like Candace did, I guess she had a podcast, which, again, not talking crap. It just is what was happening.

[Alexis Wilkins]

It happened.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

But she. There was. She did a podcast. I guess someone was asking questions, and maybe someone asked her about Savannah or something. And this was right after Charlie was assassinated. And she took. Obviously, when I went to pick up my dad from prison, I, like, wore my pink Trump jacket that I got from the Women for Trump tour. Just number one as like it. I love it. Made me feel great. Also. It was like a nod and a thank you to the person who gave me my life back, gave my family their life back. But Candace made a comment, was like, oh, maybe we'll just let Savannah march in with all of her pink gear, and maybe she can get to the bottom of this. Yes. And I'm like, why do we have to throw jabs to people who have literally. People who have literally done nothing to you.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Right.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like, that's the tough part that I wish a lot of these influencers would get out of this, like, angry phase.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And just stop attacking people for no reason.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, and for those of us who were in the trenches with the campaign and the last however many years that were really difficult for conservatives, we know that it's easy to get attacked. We know that you have to really stick to the things that you believe in and show up with good arguments. And we also know maybe the biggest point here is that when you start attacking someone's demeanor, their appearance, things about them, you've lost the argument.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so to come at it from that kind of.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Because you can talk about. You can talk about my pink wardrobe, but you didn't mention that I fought for two and a half years for presidential pardons. I didn't have a single political connection. And I put the truth out there and I fought for it and I accomplished what I set out to accomplish. Like, I just don't understand the whole attacking nature of things.

[Alexis Wilkins]

I don't either. And I mean, that's part of why I'm happy to be able to speak to certain things about myself and what I have done and what means a lot to me. Because the thing that nobody's really attacking is my work.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

And that's what's.

[Alexis Wilkins]

They're not attacking my work. They're not ripping apart an episode where I state my opinion. They're not attacking a clip where I say something educational that I believe in. You know, it's fine, but give me something I can actually bite into. I mean, you can make fun of my face, you can make fun of my hair, you can accuse me of this, that and the other thing. You can make fun of my, you know, life, fine. You even want to make fun of my relationship, that's cool. But you haven't. I haven't dug into anything that I've actually said or believed in or stood for. And so I just find it fascinating that it's all this really, like, surface level stuff, because it's nothing that actually gives me the opportunity to say, like, well, when I said this, I meant this, or I did stand for this, or I did get paid by this, because none of that's there. So good luck finding it. And so when someone like Candace and the online troupe of researchers, God bless them, dig into something and say something completely false on their show that has a huge platform, it's pretty awful because, you know, I think she said Cash had been married before and that I was a home wrecker and I broke up as marriage. Cash has never been married before. That would be public record. It would be very easy to access that that was untrue.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

I didn't even.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So if you do one iota of research, you would know that that was false. And that concerns me for just everything else. Every other standard online that if you can't find one Detail and figure out the truth about it. You know, how are we approaching big things?

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, what's crazy is reporters are now no longer held to a standard they used to be held to.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like, you used to have to tell the full truth and nothing but the truth, and now you have maybe a percent of truth and the rest is all a lie. Maybe that 1% is. This is her name. That's the truth. But then the rest is all a lie.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Exactly. Which is so sad if you have sources telling you something, but they're all coming from the same side of things and they're all friends, and you go to the person to fact check it, and they say, no, that's not true. And then you go back to your sources. Correction, they don't go back to their sources anymore. Normally, that would issue a. Okay, we gotta go. Push back now and see. Okay. Like, really do some digging here. Yeah, there's no longer any digging. It's all intentional angling storytelling. And there are some people that are doing a great job still in media. And I'm so happy that this administration is. Is shedding light on independent media that is doing a great job, which is great. I really am. The White House and the press briefing room really needed that. They needed the fresh air. They needed younger voices, too. Yeah. I think legacy media needed to be reminded that it's a privilege to be there. And I'm glad to see that because it brings me hope. There are people that are doing a good job, but those who are just becoming vigilantes on the Internet are not really supporting that new effort. And I find it troubling.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yeah. Have you. Obviously, you're in and out of, you know, the White House. You've seen. You've gotten to know a lot of these people. A lot of people in the administration. Have you had an. Have you had an encounter with the President that, like, you will forever remember?

[Alexis Wilkins]

You know, I think because I'm there on such a privileged basis and I'm a plus one, I usually don't speak to those encounters only because I just feel like I'm just there because I'm there. But what I will say is that if anyone ever has anything to say about the President's memory, I will challenge it because he has the best memory I have ever encountered in my entire life. He always remembers everyone's name. Not like, oh, he remembers my name. He remembers everyone's name. He remembers people who have held a big part in all of this stuff that's gone on in the last few years. He remembers people who have had a small part in the last few years. He just is a very gracious person. And I feel fortunate to.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, that's what I tell people too, is it's all the little moments that people don't get to see. I said it was during the election and. And I was at Mar a Lago. I got the opportunity to talk to him. Secret Service comes up and is like, all right, it's time for you to go. Like, doing their job, obviously. And the President looks at them and goes, no, I'm speaking to her. She's good. And then continues to speak to me for like 10 minutes, getting to know my story, wanting to know more, speaking about how outrageous it was. And then there was a wounded veteran that was sobbing his eyes out. And, like, Secret Service was trying to calm him down. And the President looks and goes, no, no, no. This guy right here is stronger than any of us in this room. So it's moments like that that I wish more people got to see that are just like life changing, impactful, like core memories for people.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yeah.

[Alexis Wilkins]

It's the character behind the media projection or any of the facade. It really is to his core, he's a good person.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So what would you say is probably one of the biggest misconceptions about you and your relationship with Cash?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, I think that it's been started on the heels of the whole Spygate thing, because like I said, we had a very normal relationship for the entire two years before all of this started. And I think that it would just be important to say that we don't talk about anything to do with his work. That was very well understood from day, you know, day negative one for me. I don't know. Have any interest in knowing an inside scoop. I don't want to know. He would never tell me anyway. We would never come up. But I think people forget that it's dangerous to hold information.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yeah.

[Alexis Wilkins]

There's a reason that there's a lot of training and, you know, everything that comes with it in these jobs that are confidential kind of things. And so for me, I don't know what he's working on behind the scenes, who they're going after, adversaries and countries, like foreign. Like, I don't know any of that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, I doubt that you guys lay in bed at night after, you know, 18 hour work day and are like, hey, let's have pillow talk about all of your cases.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Right. Like, that's the last thing any of us want to talk about. Last thing he wants to Talk about, I mean, a day at work for him is people forget he, you know, he goes there at six, he gets home late. You know, no matter what, the media wants to make it look like he's working really hard. And so when he gets home, obviously that's not something that's ever going to be on the table to talk about, but it doesn't get talked about. You know, anything that I would have an opinion on comes from my previous understanding of just how things work. You know, I majored in business and political science. I have an understanding of how cases happen and how the fact that you cannot talk about evidence, you can't stylize evidence, you can't talk publicly about it because it could be viewed as stylizing evidence. You can't, you know, you know, all this crap. You can't inhibit a prosecution because there's already. And I could already say enough about the whole judicial system. Don't get us started on that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes, don't.

[Alexis Wilkins]

But, you know, there's so much that you ruin juries, you ruin cases. If you talk about, you know, it's not really a for public consumption thing. And so the fact that any transparency is happening, I, as a consumer of political media, am pleasantly surprised.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yes. And again, to be clear, you and Cash are not sitting talking about evidence and cases and this person and that person. No, like, it just doesn't. His number one goal is to take out the bad people to get convictions. And he's not gonna do anything to put that in jeopardy.

[Alexis Wilkins]

No, I mean, and you can see that based on what, you know, they're returning as results, you know, really, like lower crime, historically low crime, I guess. Lots of people off the wanted list. That's the best way I can communicate it. It looks like he's doing great. You know, he's doing great. By all Met looks great.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

With all that being said, it's illegal, so he's not going to break the law. Just to give you a little, like, back in scoop.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Well, exactly. And for what purpose? And I think the thing is, is again, people who accuse you of doing something are probably would do it themselves. If the left is accusing you of leaking information, it's probably because they leak information.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Exactly. So what are. What are yalls plans for the holiday? Now this will air after the holiday, but everyone is gonna wanna know what y' all did.

[Alexis Wilkins]

We are going to be with my family in Nashville.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Yay. Oh, my gosh.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So we're gonna be family national.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

You're performing what, Saturday. And then you're off for the holiday.

[Alexis Wilkins]

I will be performing Saturday in Indianapolis and then off for the holiday. But we won't get him until, I think, really, really close to Christmas because.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Really?

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, because he wants. I mean, of course he'd want to come sooner, but he's very busy, has a lot to do, really hard at work. And then also, you know, the later he comes here, the sooner everyone else gets to go home. Wow.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So the later he stays and works, he kind of relieves other people.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yes.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Wow.

[Alexis Wilkins]

And so that's, of course, our biggest priority with that.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

It's stuff like that. It's like the good things and the people that the President has put in positions of power that, like, their selfless actions are making lives of people who work for them easier. Yeah.

[Alexis Wilkins]

I mean, that's the hope. Right? But that stuff doesn't make good headlines.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

No. Right. The feel good stuff doesn't. Well, you heard it here.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

So before we wrap up, what is one thing you would tell your younger self, like right now in your life?

[Alexis Wilkins]

When. I would probably just say that everything that you think is difficult now is preparing you for what you will know to be difficult later. You know, you think your problems are big at every stage in life. And I'm not being Debbie Downer here, but things do become more important, more difficult, more. You know, it's just the way life works.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Like as a teenager, you lose a friend or someone's mean to you and you're heartbroken. It's the worst thing in the entire world. Right. But then as you become an adult, you have more adult real life issues.

[Alexis Wilkins]

So, like, and then you lose a friend because of. Not politics, but you lose a friend because of some weird symptom of politics. It's not because you're yelling your opinion at them. It's because they're, you know, more of a fair weather friend than you thought, or there's just something that occurs or, you know, you have to endure the Internet getting mad at you.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Ugh.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Woe is me. You know, it's just. It is what it is. And ultimately, the more that. And I know you know this too, but the more that you can direct your platform for good is really what it's all about. You know, I'm getting this onslaught and I'm like, oh, great. Well, you know what? What? I'm a spokesperson for American Border Story and they do really great work. And we just had this press conference about this bill, and if you hate me, at least look at what I'm doing for these angel moms. And dads that have lost people to the fentanyl crisis, to the border crisis, these terrible policies that have been enacted in the last four years under Biden. Look at the difference it's making. I have to harp a little bit because the fentanyl thing has been stopped so much from ultimately the FBI stopping the precursors, which has been announced publicly, which is when I learned about it, I'd like to say. So, you know, you take the good with the bad. You figure it out, you try and redirect and that's really just, you know, it's really the best you can do. Right?

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, I absolutely love you. Thank you for coming on. And where can people find you? Where can they find you on social media? Your music.

[Alexis Wilkins]

Yeah, so all of my music is anywhere you stream music. I am going to be coming out with more in the new year. Just kind of been a little busy. But we will be coming out with new music and then anywhere on socials. It's lexiswilkins.

[Podcast Host (possibly Savannah)]

Well, thank you.

[Alexis Wilkins]

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