Todd & Julie Chrisley Are HERE!!! (Part One) - Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley

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[00:00]
Savannah Chrisley
Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I am very excited for this episode, and I know you guys will be as well. I have mom and dad on.
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Julie Chrisley
Hi.
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Todd Chrisley
Thank you so much.
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Savannah Chrisley
Is it weird being back to doing a podcast?
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Julie Chrisley
Yes, it is. But I'm super excited.
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Todd Chrisley
I feel like I did1 for 28 months with all the people that was around me.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, because you ran that up in there.
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Todd Chrisley
I did. I did. They called me Teflon Todd.
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Savannah Chrisley
Y' all got out May 28th. Yes, that. How long ago was that?
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Julie Chrisley
Three weeks ago today.
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Savannah Chrisley
Three weeks ago today? Does it feel like it's been three weeks?
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Todd Chrisley
I don't. I mean, I think that your perception of things and mine is different.
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Savannah Chrisley
Totally different.
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Todd Chrisley
So, I mean, what it.
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Julie Chrisley
Well, certain times it feels like it's been a long time, and then certain times it feels like it just happened.
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Todd Chrisley
I think for me, I was always free. In my head, I was still free. I was.
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Savannah Chrisley
Just. Because you lived at the Ritz and the Caymans, really, the whole time in your head.
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Todd Chrisley
I did not. I did not take up residence there. I mean, I was in prison. Prison was not in me. And I made great friends there. And I knew. I stayed in. I stayed in my faith, I prayed, I read my Bible, I worked out, I walked and. And I wreaked havoc on anyone that was mistreating somebody else.
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Savannah Chrisley
Oh, we know. And I was an accomplice in wreaking havoc.
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Todd Chrisley
You were. I could not. Listen, this is the truth. I could not have closed Pensacola without you. You was instrumental in that. I mean, the warden there, just so she knows, you were my accomplice the entire time. But, I mean, she knew that because of the press.
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Savannah Chrisley
Well, yeah. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.
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Todd Chrisley
Right? But, you know, she was trying to figure out how. How is he getting this information to Savannah? How's he getting this information to Savannah? Your staff.
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Savannah Chrisley
Exactly. And other family members.
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Todd Chrisley
Exactly.
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Savannah Chrisley
So before you go too much into prison, go back to y' all being dropped off.
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Julie Chrisley
Being dropped off?
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Savannah Chrisley
Yes. Being dropped off at prison. I'll let mom go first. What was that day like? Explain to people.
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Julie Chrisley
That day was just. It started really, really early because you and your dad left around 2:00am because you had to go to Florida. Because we had to self surrender on the same day.
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Savannah Chrisley
What was me, dad, Grayson, and Nick all went. Yes.
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Julie Chrisley
Yes. And then for me, it was Chase. No Chase. Mom, dad went with me.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yep. And Chad.
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Julie Chrisley
And Chad. Yes. So we kind of split up. So, you know, I got ready that morning. We got in the car we left. I've said many times, looking back, I don't think it hit me that we were leaving and going to not see each other, speak to each other for years, potentially. Well, it was years.
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Todd Chrisley
Yeah, it was years, 28 months.
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Savannah Chrisley
Well, no, we say that y' all just got up and left that morning like you were coming home that night.
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Julie Chrisley
We did. We did.
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Todd Chrisley
And I think that there was. There was some of that mentality, because I don't know that the shock. The shock. We were still in shock.
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Julie Chrisley
Right.
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Todd Chrisley
And so I think that for me, I had you and Grayson and Nick, and, you know, on that drive down there, we hardly ever spoke. I mean, we didn't talk. And Grayson fell asleep on my shoulder. And I just remember because I had said to you, like, a week before, because you said, are you afraid? And I said, no. I said, God has. God has taken that from me. And I'm so grateful for that, because when I got out with my Bible, I didn't have any fear.
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Savannah Chrisley
I will never forget you. As we pull up, you said, y' all don't get out. We're going to say our goodbyes. I'm not hugging y' all goodbye.
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Todd Chrisley
Right? Yeah. Because it was never goodbye for me. It was always, see you later. And I knew I was going to see you later. The hard part of that day, it didn't set in with me until that evening that I realized that I wasn't going to see you again. I was going to see our kids. I was going to see my mom, but I would not be seeing you. So that was hard that first night. And I was so angry with God. And I remember when the lights went out, I lay there and I cried, and I said, God, why have you forsaken me? What did I do in my life that warrants this? You know these things are not true. But yet you allowed it to happen. And I went to sleep. And in my dream, God came to me and said, I have planted you where I need you, and when you leave, they will rise. And you. And I talked to you about that. I never understood it. Now I understand it. With the movement that we have going on with the prisons and stuff, I now understand what that dream meant. Because when I leave, they will rise. Well, I have left. And now the place is closing. Now the new memo has come out that there's going to expand home confinement that these men are going to through a new great director, Billy Marshall and Josh Smith, the deputy director. Those have now come out making sure that President Trump's initial initiative, First Step act in 2018, that those men and women will now get those credits and they will be reunited with their families. So I now know exactly what the dream meant because they are rising.
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Savannah Chrisley
And so for you, mom. Cause see, I wasn't there when you got dropped off. So what was.
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Julie Chrisley
Right. Yeah. Was I scared? Absolutely. I was scared of the unknown because I didn't know what it was gonna be like, you know, I didn't know. And where I am. Which was different than where dad was. Yeah, very different. Different. I was an extension of a real prison.
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Savannah Chrisley
And when she says real, she means within the Bureau of Prisons there is. They've got supermax max, mediums, lows and camps.
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Julie Chrisley
Right. So that was a medium. No, I was a satellite camp off of a federal medical center which was. Which housed all custody levels. So there was, you know, the, the fence and the razor wire and you know, the security there. Now where I, I was in particular, there wasn't. But it was right next door to it, so.
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Savannah Chrisley
But the receiving, where you had to be received.
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Julie Chrisley
I had to go into that part of the prison. Yeah, yeah. So I think that was different than where you were.
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Todd Chrisley
I didn't. As I've.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yours is scary. Yours is scary, his is not.
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Todd Chrisley
Yeah. Cuz mine was just like a busted, broke little summer camp.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Julie Chrisley
I mean, it was. So I was scared just because I didn't know what to expect.
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Savannah Chrisley
And then when you had to go through that process of them putting you in the system, you came out and there was a van waiting to take you. Yes.
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Julie Chrisley
So I came out and there was a white van waiting to take me.
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Savannah Chrisley
We laugh. Focus. Tell. Tell them who's driving them.
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Julie Chrisley
Okay, so there were two women in the van. Now keep in mind I didn't know these women. I got to know these women later, you know. So the lady driving the van was doing a 25 year prison sentence. And so when I went to prison, she had already been in over. Been in prison over 20 years. So she was driving.
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Savannah Chrisley
How was she.
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Todd Chrisley
How is she there for 20 years? For. Since was 25.
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Julie Chrisley
Yeah, because she didn't get FSA and she had lost a lot of good time.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
Oh, so she was thugging it up while she was there.
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Savannah Chrisley
So we talked about her friend.
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Todd Chrisley
I ain't talking about her friends because I got thugs too.
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Julie Chrisley
She now has, she has a book. She has several books out. But good talk about that later. I remember it very vividly. I got in the van and they knew. They knew I was coming. Word had gotten around, so they knew I was coming. And I get in the van and I'm just sitting there. They're like, the one girl, she says, I'm just gonna let you know you're gonna hate it. It's a piece of crap. It's hot, it's cold. You're gonna hate it. It's horrible. I was like, okay, okay, okay. And I walked in the door, and then I was just, like, bombarded. So I walk in the door, there was someone there to show me where to go. Ended ended up. I didn't know at the time, but a girl got me to the room, got me a bed, a nice bed, actually. She ended up being my bunky later on, like two years later. But it was very overwhelming because people kept coming in and, you know, because I was new and people knew who I was, so it was really overwhelming for the first few days for me.
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Savannah Chrisley
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Todd Chrisley
I thought that was your mom.
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Savannah Chrisley
She ran the stop sign and I'm like you.
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Julie Chrisley
I don't think it was the same one, but it was.
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Savannah Chrisley
But still, this is a woman in custody that's driving this van and just barreling down. And you just see her in there, and I'm like, you probably should not be driving.
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Julie Chrisley
Oh, yeah, we drove. There were vehicles all over the place.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, that was gators.
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Todd Chrisley
I didn't do any of that. I did not work. I did not give them any labor. I did. I still.
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Julie Chrisley
You were.
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Savannah Chrisley
No, you were in the chapel.
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Todd Chrisley
Yeah, but I prayed for their demise. That's the only work I did.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, but there also was somebody that said that you really didn't have a job in the chapel. You remember that?
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Todd Chrisley
That was that person that had that little Instagram account that said that I didn't work in the chapel. Well, you know, you shouldn't be lying on God's helpers. You can't Be doing that. When you start messing with God's chosen children, he will strike you down. I was in the chapel the entire. When I got there, I did my processing, which took literally five minutes. And they said, we'll walk you up to laundry. So, I mean, they walked me up to laundry, and I remember seeing those ugly ass green uniforms.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
And I remember saying. I said, is this the only one color? And the guy laughed and he said, yeah, it's all one color. I said, mm, okay. So he gives me my uniforms and I'm walking back and I get to my room and I have all this stuff laying on my bed, like a shaving kit with all my stuff that I would use and tennis shoes and new sweats and stuff. And I'm like. Because I had read that you don't be taking nothing for free because then you got to give something up. And I'm too old to be fighting all these people off. And so I started looking at it and I'm like, well, someone's already here. And they said, no, that showers. They said, jig will be over to see in a little bit. I said, who? They said, jig? And I said, what is that? And he said, that's his name. I said, his name is Jig? And he said, yeah. I said, okay. So I just still moved it and put it in a chair.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, sure. I'm not taking this.
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Todd Chrisley
Yeah. Because, I mean, you can't have me for a honey bun. I mean, that you just can't do. Now, later on a good pair of Nikes, we could have talked. But, you know, I get my bed made up and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden this guy comes walking. He's about 5ft tall, muscles everywhere. And he goes, you got your stuff? And I said, you must be Jig. He said, one and only. And I said. He said, word had been sent to me. He said, to make sure you had everything that you needed. And I said, should I ask who sent word to you? He said, well, you know, we'll just leave it as a good Samaritan. And I said, okay. I said, well, I can pay you for this. He said, no, you can't. He says, because I'm to look out for you. And I said, well, I can take care of myself. He said, I don't have no doubt. He said, but I still got to do what I got to do. So from that point forward, Jig and I became like best buddies. And finally, after about seven months of being there, he tells me who had told him to do that. And I said, you've got to be kidding me. So then, you know, you start hearing people's stories and stuff. Yeah, I was. I just. I made a great friend in jig and jig, you know, was always. There was no reason to look out for me because nothing went on there. I told you, it's a bad. Busted summer camp.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Julie Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
So we didn't have any. There was no fights. There was no dating.
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Savannah Chrisley
There was a fight.
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Todd Chrisley
Which one?
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Savannah Chrisley
Remember the one where he was running down the sidewalk with one shoe on?
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Todd Chrisley
Oh, that wasn't really a fight. That was my.
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Savannah Chrisley
That's stabbing.
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Todd Chrisley
Oh, it was. That's overrated. He was my little fat Samoan friend and he ran out of his shoe because he was chasing that guy. Cause that guy owed him money for a bet. So that's not really like violence. I mean, that's just, pay me my money before I beat the shit out of you. And, you know, I mean, I do that out in the streets. I mean, I don't consider that that bad. But we didn't have really a lot of that. And, you know, you and I have talked about that. And we didn't have Guys. They didn't argue. We just didn't.
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Julie Chrisley
We had lots of arguments.
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Savannah Chrisley
Daddy.
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Julie Chrisley
Women.
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Savannah Chrisley
Daddy almost got sent to county one time.
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Todd Chrisley
Well, when I jumped on that guy about you.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yes. So that was a thing that people don't realize.
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Todd Chrisley
A snitch told on Lori L. Flint.
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Savannah Chrisley
College admissions guy. Yeah, the college admissions scandal guy was there at Dad's place. And what was it that happened?
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Todd Chrisley
He was. He was talking. He was talking smack, saying that, you know, he didn't wear a wire. He never told on anyone. You know, the Fed set him up. This, that and the other. Well, you and I both know, because we know that whole deal. Personal, personally, because of Felicity and him. So. And we'd watched it all, so we knew what had happened. So he starts talking and then he said something about. He said something about Savannah when he.
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Savannah Chrisley
Was all up in your space. And he was trying to, like, ask questions and all this stuff. And dad made a comment or something to him, like, are you trying to write another book? Because I'm not going to be a chapter in it. So, like, get the hell out.
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Todd Chrisley
And so when he came and asked me, he said, have you started your book? And I said, no. He said, I've started working on mine. And I said, well, I hope that the first chapter introduces you as the biggest snitch in America. And I said, so you and I And I told them about Felicity and Bail and Lori and them. And I said, I don't want to ever have another conversation with you. And so he turned around, walked out. So months later, he was talking shit about Savannah because that's when she had already started, you know, pulling the Barbara Walters and exposing everything in the BoP. And so he started talking smack. And so I just walked up to him and I said, I'm going to say this one more time. I'm already in prison.
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Savannah Chrisley
He was not this calm because guys told me at visitation that I'm pretty sure dad said he would shit down his neck.
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Todd Chrisley
I said, I will rip your head off and shit down your neck if you talk about my child again. And I meant what I said, and you know I would have done that. And he was like, I'm not. I said, I don't need you to be afraid of me. Just be aware that if my daughter's name comes out of your mouth again, I will rip your head off and shit down your neck.
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Julie Chrisley
Oh, okay.
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Todd Chrisley
So he literally. We never had another problem with him. I never had another problem with him. But that's really the only issue that I had. I mean, I told staff off. I mean, I told cos and staff.
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Julie Chrisley
I didn't have that.
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Todd Chrisley
No, because you was up there being Ms. Pollyanna. Yes, ma' am. Yes, ma' am.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. Because I will never forget, at the very beginning, you called me and you were all to pieces because that one asshole cop that walks around with those glasses on, he looks like kind of like a old Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Todd Chrisley
Well, there's a lot of those.
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Savannah Chrisley
He locked her in the cafeteria.
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Julie Chrisley
Oh, yeah. He was a food service. Yeah, he's. He.
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Todd Chrisley
But here's the thing. But here's the thing. Only your mother would get locked in a cafeteria. Nobody else does dumb shit like that. I never even went in our cafeteria.
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Savannah Chrisley
He didn't. Because he was pissed off at her. He did it on purpose.
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Todd Chrisley
And I would have put a BP 8 on his.
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Julie Chrisley
He was just a miserable human being.
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Todd Chrisley
He really was. They all are. I was surrounded by miserable human beings. And every day I got up and it was my sole intent to make their life even more miserable, because they were there to make our lives miserable. And that's what I never understood. Because you. You had a handful of guys there that thought that they. You know, that they would buddy up to the staff.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
And they'd go telling every. Telling everyone else.
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Julie Chrisley
We had a few of those.
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Todd Chrisley
And I would say to them, I'd say, what in Your mind makes you think that they're your friends, right?
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
It is us against them.
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Julie Chrisley
They are not your friends.
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Todd Chrisley
No, it's us against them.
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Savannah Chrisley
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Todd Chrisley
I think that's the way that it is for women in general.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yes, that's the way that it is for women in general. But also throughout the whole appeal process, mom had to go through things that you never had to.
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Julie Chrisley
Right, right.
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Savannah Chrisley
Such as the diesel therapy, the con air, the.
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Julie Chrisley
Right. Well, I think it goes back to just how our prison sentences were different. I was in a building that was 100 years old that had no air conditioning. It had a radiator heat. So it was cold at times in the winter and it was really, really hot in the summertime.
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Savannah Chrisley
Well, I can't even imagine. Because you remember during the summer to when the air conditioning was even out in the visitation room.
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Julie Chrisley
Yeah, yeah. And so.
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Savannah Chrisley
And that was on the very bottom, like.
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Julie Chrisley
Right.
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Savannah Chrisley
Basement.
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Julie Chrisley
So there was the basement and then there was a first, second, and third floor. At times during the summer, the temperature on the third floor would be somewhere between 110 and 120 degrees.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
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Todd Chrisley
Say I would have been raised in mortal hell.
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Julie Chrisley
So for that, it was much different and harsher than where your dad was. Everything was very old.
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Todd Chrisley
But, you know, we had. We went without air conditioning there for about a week.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. And I.
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Todd Chrisley
And you. And I called Savannah on the phone because I knew that they was listening on the. On the Biden phone up there because every time you used a pay phone, that's what we called to Biden phone. I would go up there because I knew there was eavesdropping. So I'd go up and I'd tell them everything that I wanted them to hear. I'd tell Savannah. And literally when I told them, I said, I want you to report to the press. I says that they're housing these men in here in 100 degree weather. I says, there's no air, et cetera, et cetera. The next day, they had the company out there and they installed two brand new units.
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Julie Chrisley
So we didn't. We didn't have that. We didn't have that option to even get repaired because we didn't have it to begin with.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. So there was a point in time. I don't. I forgot what it was. But the fire marshal came out and said they had.
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Todd Chrisley
They had screwed all of the windows closed.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yes. And so that's what I had told the director, that they needed to pull the records for how many times of how many times the fire department was called at Pensacola to see just all the inhumane things that were being done. Even the fire marshal was like, you can't do this.
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Todd Chrisley
The fire marshal stood in the front lobby of our building and said, who screwed these windows closed? And the staff, the CEOs, which they didn't. You know, they're guards and they're like. And I said, I'll tell you who did it. And I. And I outed them. I told every bit of it because I never threw rocks and hit hands. I want you. If I hit you between your eyes with a rock, I need you to know I got you. So I don't. I ain't hiding behind it.
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Savannah Chrisley
But even with the conditions, both conditions were pretty bad.
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Julie Chrisley
Right.
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Savannah Chrisley
Yours would, I would argue, was way worse than his. But when it came to the whole transport process for you, because I think that addresses to some of the comments you and I talked about it that have been made, that when. Now, when you look at mom, she just looks different in her eyes. Do you think that has a part to play in it?
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Julie Chrisley
That was a huge part. The transit process was something that I do not wish on anybody. I mean, I really don't. It was horrible. I left my prison. And keep in mind, yes, we're in prison, but you're not shackled, you're not handcuffed, you're not in a room that's locked. Yeah.
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Savannah Chrisley
And they got you super, super early in the morning, right? One of your friends called me.
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Julie Chrisley
Yeah, it was early. It was not super early that morning when I left the other facilities. It was early in the morning, but I remember I left early. You are shackled, you are handcuffed, belly chained, and you are taken to the airport. You're put on a plane with men and it's usually, there's usually no more than maybe like 10 women. And then the rest of the plane is completely full with men. And then you were one of three.
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Savannah Chrisley
Women during one of the one time.
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Julie Chrisley
I believe when I left. But the thing about it is you stop and you pick people up and people get off. So you're, you don't know where you're going. They will not tell you where you're going. All they tell you is you're getting on this plane. I left Kentucky, I went to Oklahoma, which is a transfer.
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Savannah Chrisley
Didn't you stop in Memphis first?
[25:13]
Julie Chrisley
I think that was on the way back. I stopped in Memphis, I went to Oklahoma. When you, if you get off the plane in Oklahoma, you're going to either the transfer center, which is there at, it's attached to the airport, or you're going to Cimarron, which is about an two hour bus ride from the airport, or you're going to Grady County Jail. So when I left Kentucky, I went to Cimarron and I was in Cimarron for six days. And you, you know, you're locked in there. You're in a pod, but you have cells that you're, you're in during counts. You're locked in your cell. Of course, the time that I was there was like their twice yearly big shakedown and inspection. So there it was a lot of, a lot of time sitting in a cell. I was in there with one other person. She was a super nice girl that was in transit as well. But it was just a whole different. So most of it were people waiting to either be sentenced or waiting to be transferred to. So they were just starting their prison sentences. I was there for six days, they.
[26:33]
Savannah Chrisley
Tell you, and I spent a fortune midnight Trying to, for us to talk. Literally during that whole process of transport. Spent fifteen hundred dollars.
[26:45]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah. You know, the, the only real advantage to that, to the transport is that we were able to talk more because as long as you have money and, and you either have, they give you a tablet or there's a phone in the pod where you can talk.
[27:00]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. So like during her transport, we could talk. It wasn't like, like they cut off.
[27:05]
Julie Chrisley
At night, but you could talk. I could talk to her.
[27:08]
Savannah Chrisley
If we wanted to talk two hours a day, we could.
[27:11]
Julie Chrisley
Right. So I was there for six days, midnight. They tell, told me, pack your stuff up, you're leaving. So I packed a little bit of stuff. I had just, basically just clean your, your space up, get ready to go. I sat there at a table till around 2, 3 in the morning because Cimarron is a two hour drive from the airport. So let me back up. When I got to the airport in Oklahoma, they put you on this bus. It was freezing cold. It was loud because it's, you know, everybody's handcuffed and shackled. Two hour drive. Get there. You have to check in, got to the pod. I was there for six days, midnight, one night, they tell me, get ready.
[28:02]
Savannah Chrisley
And so you go from there where?
[28:04]
Julie Chrisley
So I went from there to Lovejoy, which is in Atlanta.
[28:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes.
[28:09]
Julie Chrisley
And that right outside of Atlanta.
[28:10]
Savannah Chrisley
That facility is male and female.
[28:14]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah, they all are male and female everywhere. I watch.
[28:16]
Todd Chrisley
But you don't come in contact.
[28:17]
Julie Chrisley
She walks with this one at, at Lovejoy. It is very close quarters as far as there's. Basically when I was there, there were two pods for women and the rest of the whole facility, hundreds and hundreds were men. But when I was brought into Lovejoy. You were help put in a holding cell.
[28:38]
Savannah Chrisley
Oh, you called me sobbing.
[28:40]
Julie Chrisley
Yes. And it was literally there were men right in the next holding cell fighting, you know, and literally I'm hearing this guard say, talking to this guy that was in the holding cel. Man, I thought you were carving a turkey with that one. Literally where he had cut somebody up. Yeah. Got in a fight and cut someone up. I was, she called me.
[29:01]
Savannah Chrisley
Literally.
[29:02]
Julie Chrisley
We got to love joy around 1:30 in the afternoon. It was 10:30 at night before I.
[29:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Got back to my pod, that's when she called me.
[29:12]
Julie Chrisley
It was horrible. Horrible. I was in this little holding cell with I believe it was two or three other women got back there. It was just, it was loud. The, the whole place reeked of marijuana. It was crazy, like crazy.
[29:32]
Savannah Chrisley
But you were there for how Long.
[29:34]
Julie Chrisley
I was there for the. Well, like six days at the beginning. I was in Cimarron. Then I was at Lovejoy from there till around 10 days after the trial.
[29:46]
Savannah Chrisley
So she. And that was like 40ish or was. And I will never forget sitting there after the recent Inc. And Alex asking Judge Eleanor Ross if. For mom to be given a furlough to go back to the prison, because clearly she was given that at the beginning. Or if they can't put. If we can't pay for the federal government to transport her via vehicle to the facility, because they've done that before. And she said, no, she'll be treated like the rest of them.
[30:23]
Todd Chrisley
But she. But yes, she didn't treat us like the rest of the people. But. And I want to address that. Judge Eleanor Ross, when you look at her cases and you look at how many have been flipped back from the appellate court, the number is astronomical. And that is something that we need to be looking into, because you have these judges that do not have the education or the bandwidth. Just because you graduate from and get your bar license doesn't mean that you're educated in finance, that you're educated in medical, that you have a medical degree. It doesn't mean that you're a tax advisor. Because if you'll remember, in our case, she didn't understand these numbers. All she understood was that we've. That we've got a ton of money, we've spent a ton of money, and that we think we're above the law. That's all she cared about. But this is a judge who would come in and take her shoes off and sit in the chair Indian style. So it doesn't surprise me when you told me that. Because she had a vendetta. Yeah, she had a chip on her shoulder. She was going to. Literally, she was. She was lording over the white privileged individuals that was sitting in front of her.
[31:37]
Savannah Chrisley
Without a doubt.
[31:38]
Todd Chrisley
That's all that was about.
[31:40]
Savannah Chrisley
And mom, can you think if we back up.
[31:43]
Julie Chrisley
So when I received word of the appeal.
[31:47]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes, everything. And that's. We've already, like, we went through that. We walked people through that on the podcast was how you were set up to do your resentencing hearing via Zoom. Yes, it was. The clerk had already communicated with the prison, with Alex, everyone. And then Judge Ross said, nope, she'll be here in person.
[32:07]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[32:08]
Savannah Chrisley
And that's something now that I want to work on with the Bureau of Prisons and Congress. If you're already in federal custody, why are we wasting taxpayer dollars to transport you if they're just going to send you back. Right.
[32:19]
Julie Chrisley
Because in my heart of hearts, I knew that Judge Ross was not going to give me any more time off than what she absolutely had to. Like. I fully expected to come back to prison. I wasn't shocked by her response to the resentencing. I really wasn't.
[32:36]
Todd Chrisley
Well, I don't. So I don't think you can have it. I don't think you can be shocked by it because. And I think you were right and what your interpretation was, because when you have a judge who's having ex parte communication with the prosecutor, knowing that that's a violation, certainly she's not going to do the right thing when it comes to. To you.
[32:54]
Julie Chrisley
Right. So I wanted. That's why I requested to do the zoom also for you, because I know how passionate you are about certain things, and I'm passionate as well, because I've lived them. You know, not only did that resentencing, she didn't take any time off. It actually cost me days. You know, had it not been for you, Alice Johnson, President Trump, I would have served more time in prison because of that resentencing, because I lost 52 days that I was not earning First Step ACT credit.
[33:30]
Savannah Chrisley
Well, and for people that don't understand how that works, as you're in prison, you earn First Step act credits for all of your good time days. But when you're in transport, you're not considered to be in BOP custody. So if you're not in BOP custody, you can't earn those days off, which.
[33:46]
Julie Chrisley
Is also affects all these people who sit in these county jails after they've been sentenced, waiting to go to prison. We had people that came to our camp that had been sitting in county jails for years. Yeah, yeah, we did not earn any first step back.
[34:02]
Todd Chrisley
We had that as well. But the, the good news is, is that. So there's now, I think, roughly seven different circuits that have ruled that at the moment you are sentenced in federal court, you are in federal custody.
[34:17]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes.
[34:17]
Todd Chrisley
And your time starts from that moment.
[34:20]
Julie Chrisley
Forward, as it should.
[34:21]
Savannah Chrisley
Now, something that I want to address was at the resentencing hearing, you had made a statement that a lot of people perceived as an admission of guilt.
[34:37]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[34:38]
Savannah Chrisley
Looking back on that, what was your, what was your goal? What was your mission with the statement that you made? And was that you saying that or was it something different?
[34:48]
Julie Chrisley
It was absolutely something different. You know, based off of advice given from my attorney. Based off here I was in Front of Judge Ross again. Again, the same judge who sentenced me to seven years in prison, who. I am asking for a reduced sentence now that the appellate court has found that she ruled improperly on certain things. So it was not an admission of guilt, but more so you. Your hand is forced for you to say these things to the judge, because if you don't, they use anything they can to not give you any more time off.
[35:29]
Savannah Chrisley
Now. And I think in that moment, watching you, your whole. Because we were sitting in the courtroom, right, Your whole goal was just to get home to your kids.
[35:39]
Julie Chrisley
Absolutely.
[35:40]
Savannah Chrisley
So it didn't matter what you had to say, what you had to do. It was kind of just like, hey, I'm going to do it so I can get home.
[35:47]
Julie Chrisley
Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, again, my attorney advised and said, you know, you need to say X, Y, and Z. You know, we need to plea. Basically throw yourself on the mercy of the court. Yeah, the mercy of the court. You know, so that hopefully she will give you some time off.
[36:05]
Savannah Chrisley
And that's the scary part. You and I have talked about it, dad, of how you have all these people who plead out and they say, yes, I'm guilty, X, Y, and Z, when in reality they're not, but they have no other option.
[36:18]
Todd Chrisley
When you're looking at the federal. When you're looking at the federal government and their success rate, it's 97.3%.
[36:25]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[36:26]
Julie Chrisley
But people need to also understand that this. The success rate is so high because people plead out. You.
[36:32]
Todd Chrisley
People actually go to trial. That's right. They plea because there's. Because they're. The fear of the unknown is why they do it. But if you'll remember, they came to us and, you know, in the beginning and said, you know, we could work out a plea deal. And we both said we're not admitting to something we didn't do.
[36:50]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[36:50]
Todd Chrisley
So. And.
[36:51]
Julie Chrisley
But even after that, even during the sentencing part, because we did not admit to guilt, we were given enhancement because of that.
[37:01]
Todd Chrisley
That's right. And which should. That right there is literally should be something that should be thrown out.
[37:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Go back and clear up what she just said, because y' all just kind of breezed over that at the fact that you're sitting there in a courtroom at your sentencing hearing and because you did not say. Because you were found guilty and you did not say I was responsible for this, I am sorry. You got an enhancement, which means.
[37:33]
Todd Chrisley
That means that you got more time.
[37:34]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, that means you got more, which is absolutely insane.
[37:37]
Todd Chrisley
But it's the Same thing, Savannah, with these prosecutors, them having prosecutorial, you know, prosecutorial immunity. That should stop. Because we know that Tommy Crap and Annelise Peters, we know the corrupt things that they did in our case. And it's going to be brought out on the, you know, in the new documentary that we're doing with Lifetime and Judge Eleanor Ross, we're asking for a judicial review into her conduct. The. Until we start as a people in this country, we can sit and complain and say, oh, but you know, the federal government, you know, their success rates, 97%, but the success rate depends on the jurors in that jury box. So we as individuals in this country, we go sit in a jury box and we give them their 97% success rate because we have been programmed to believe, well, it's the, it's the federal government, so surely they would not do anything corrupt.
[38:36]
Julie Chrisley
Right. But I think, I think it goes back to, though, a much bigger issue, a much bigger, broader problem of being a broken down system because a jury trial is supposed to be of your peers, a jury of your, you know, people, your peers.
[38:52]
Savannah Chrisley
And, and my peers, if I was a doctor, would be other doctors, nurses, if I was a lawyer. Thank you.
[38:59]
Julie Chrisley
Right. And so you are dealing with a very complex case. Everyone said the judge, said, the prosecutors, the defense. This is a huge case and it's very, very complicated. So I think you were dealing with people who did not understand and based off the questions, they did not have the education, they did not have the knowledge to rule accurately. Well, you have people's life. And I also want to say that I think people don't take jury duty seriously.
[39:31]
Todd Chrisley
Well, no, because we have people coming in in pajamas and bedroom shoes, literally.
[39:36]
Savannah Chrisley
And sleeping and saying, oh, I've got a baby shower I need to get to. They're guilty. Right now, how is an 18 year old pregnant college student gonna understand bank fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy? They're not.
[39:49]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[39:50]
Savannah Chrisley
And that, to me was a big issue. We knew we were screwed. Whenever they came back with a jury question that said, is the indictment a form of guilt?
[40:00]
Todd Chrisley
Right.
[40:00]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah.
[40:00]
Todd Chrisley
Well, even more scary question was when they came back and said, the jury has a question. And the question was, well, now when you file an extension on your taxes, does that mean you don't have to pay taxes? They clearly understood nothing. And it's very important. I want to address this. People still believe that we owed taxes.
[40:23]
Savannah Chrisley
That's what. Exactly. That was the thing. You were.
[40:27]
Todd Chrisley
We were not sentenced to time for taxes. We didn't owe taxes. We Got a refund. We had overpaid. That's why the, the prosecutors never wanted to make a big deal out of it because they knew that their witness Betty Carter had lied under oath. They knew that the numbers that they had were inaccurate. And then when it was proven to them that we were, that we had overpaid, when the accountant got on the stand, they started backing out of that. And if you remember Annelise Peter Stump, she says you're on of the tax had been paid.
[40:56]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes, exactly. And but to correct. So nobody comes back and says that you were lying. There were taxes owed for like 22, 23, whatever the year was that we were in this.
[41:07]
Todd Chrisley
Right. Cuz they hadn't filed yet.
[41:09]
Savannah Chrisley
Exactly. Cuz they hadn't been filed yet. But all the back stuff we didn't owe.
[41:13]
Julie Chrisley
Right, right.
[41:14]
Savannah Chrisley
So when it comes to the taxes, nothing was owed like it had already been paid. For the years that they were alleging that there was tax.
[41:22]
Julie Chrisley
It was decide it was brought out by the IRS. That money was sitting in an account.
[41:29]
Todd Chrisley
In your IRS account over $500,000.
[41:34]
Julie Chrisley
But because they had put my name first and not your dad's name first, they didn't, they weren't aware of that. Which I find very hard to believe considering that our tax records were pulled over 10,000 times during the course of the investigation.
[41:48]
Todd Chrisley
And I want you to think about this. For every United States taxpayer, our tax, our tax information was pulled internally by the IRS over 10,000 times. Betty Carter, supposedly an expert, dealt with high net worth individuals, high profile individuals, pulled it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times. But yet she never saw that five hundred and something thousand dollars sitting there that had been paid eight years ago or whatever it was.
[42:25]
Julie Chrisley
We're together, we've been married for 30 years. So how, how are you not looking at both?
[42:31]
Savannah Chrisley
They knew exactly what it was.
[42:32]
Todd Chrisley
She said that because she knew she had been caught in a lie on the other. So it was easier for her to come back say well I didn't see that money. Well that goes again. That spits in the face of her declaration of her touting how long she'd been with the irs. How what an expert she was in the field. Well, you're such a damn expert that you didn't have enough sense to look. Because when the expert that we hired looked at the transcripts, she found it right away.
[42:59]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[42:59]
Todd Chrisley
So how is she going to find it but not the person inside.
[43:02]
Savannah Chrisley
And too I think it also goes to show how these individuals seek out certain people and certain cases because it's no coincidence that Betty Carter, who was on our case, is also the one that was after Kim, went after Kim Zolciak and their family. So it's these government officials. All they want to do is make a name for themselves.
[43:26]
Todd Chrisley
That's it. That's it there, you know, and I very targeted.
[43:30]
Savannah Chrisley
So this whole process has obviously been an absolute cluster from the very beginning.
[43:38]
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Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley – Episode Summary: "Todd & Julie Chrisley Are HERE!!! (Part One)"

In this compelling first part of the special episode, Savannah Chrisley welcomes her parents, Todd and Julie Chrisley, to delve deep into their personal journeys of incarceration, resilience, and the challenges they faced within the prison system. The conversation offers an intimate glimpse into their experiences, shedding light on systemic issues and the emotional turmoil of separation from family.

1. Reunion and Initial Impressions (00:00 – 03:10)

Savannah opens the episode with palpable excitement, reuniting with her parents after their release from prison three weeks prior.

Savannah Chrisley [00:00]: "Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I am very excited for this episode, and I know you guys will be as well. I have mom and dad on."

The family discusses the abruptness of Todd and Julie’s departure from prison, with Todd reflecting on his time in confinement.

Todd Chrisley [00:23]: "I did1 for 28 months with all the people that was around me."

2. The Drop-Off Day: A Day of Uncertainty (02:00 – 05:51)

Julie and Todd recount the harrowing experience of being dropped off at prison. Julie describes the early morning departure and the emotional weight of leaving their children.

Julie Chrisley [02:19]: "Three weeks ago today? Does it feel like it's been three weeks?"

Todd shares his mindset during incarceration, emphasizing his inner sense of freedom and faith.

Todd Chrisley [01:05]: "I was always free. In my head, I was still free."

3. Life Inside: Navigating Prison Dynamics (05:51 – 18:34)

The conversation shifts to their day-to-day lives within prison walls. Julie details the initial overwhelm upon arrival and the challenges of adjusting to the prison environment.

Julie Chrisley [07:04]: "I had to go into that part of the prison. Yeah, yeah. So I think that was different than where you were."

Todd discusses the relationships he formed, notably his friendship with "Jig," and his strategies for coping with the hostile environment.

Todd Chrisley [11:00]: "From that point forward, Jig and I became like best buddies."

They explore the gender differences in their prison experiences, with Julie highlighting harsher conditions for women.

Julie Chrisley [24:46]: "You are shackled, you are handcuffed, belly chained..."

4. Legal Battles: Appeals and Resentencing (20:17 – 36:32)

The Chrisley family delves into the complexities of the legal system, discussing their appeals and the contentious resentencing hearing overseen by Judge Eleanor Ross.

Todd Chrisley [30:22]: "Judge Eleanor Ross... she had a vendetta... she was lording over the white privileged individuals."

Julie explains the impact of judicial decisions on their sentences, particularly the loss of First Step Act credits due to transportation logistics.

Julie Chrisley [32:07]: "I lost 52 days that I was not earning First Step ACT credit."

Savannah highlights the systemic flaws that penalize inmates, exacerbating their incarceration periods.

Savannah Chrisley [33:29]: "When you're in transport, you're not considered to be in BOP custody. So if you're not in BOP custody, you can't earn those days off."

5. Systemic Issues and Judicial Corruption (36:32 – 43:38)

The discussion intensifies as the Chrisleys expose corruption within the judicial and prosecutorial systems. They criticize the high plea deal success rates, attributing them to the pressure inmates face rather than evidentiary strength.

Todd Chrisley [36:25]: "The success rate is so high because people plead out."

Julie calls for judicial reforms, questioning the competence and impartiality of judges handling complex financial cases.

Julie Chrisley [37:08]: "It's the Same thing, Savannah, with these prosecutors, them having prosecutorial immunity. That should stop."

They also highlight discrepancies in tax-related charges, emphasizing that they had overpaid taxes contrary to the prosecution's claims.

Julie Chrisley [41:07]: "But because they had put my name first and not your dad's name first, they didn't, they weren't aware of that."

6. Conclusion and Moving Forward (43:38 – 44:16)

As the episode nears its end, Savannah reflects on the broader implications of their story, advocating for systemic change and greater accountability within the legal system.

Savannah Chrisley [43:38]: "This whole process has obviously been an absolute cluster from the very beginning."

The conversation wraps up with an emphasis on the need for judicial reviews and legislative action to prevent such injustices in the future.

Key Takeaways

Emotional Toll of Incarceration: The Chrisleys emphasize the profound emotional and psychological impact of being separated from family.
Systemic Flaws: Highlighted issues include the mishandling of appeals, judicial bias, and the detrimental effects of procedural technicalities on sentencing.
Advocacy for Reform: The family calls for significant reforms in the judicial process, especially concerning prosecutorial immunity and the interpretation of the First Step Act.
Personal Resilience: Despite the challenges, Todd and Julie demonstrate remarkable resilience, maintaining faith and fostering supportive relationships within prison.

Notable Quotes

Todd on Inner Freedom:

"I was always free. In my head, I was still free." [01:05]
Julie on Overwhelming Arrival:

"I was bombarded... it was really overwhelming for the first few days for me." [08:05]
Savannah on Systemic Penalization:

"When you're in transport, you're not considered to be in BOP custody. So if you're not in BOP custody, you can't earn those days off." [33:29]
Todd on Judicial Bias:

"She was lording over the white privileged individuals that was sitting in front of her." [31:39]

This episode serves as a poignant exploration of the Chrisley family's struggles within the prison system, offering listeners a firsthand account of the challenges faced and the urgent need for systemic change.

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[00:00]
Savannah Chrisley
Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I am very excited for this episode, and I know you guys will be as well. I have mom and dad on.
[00:12]
Julie Chrisley
Hi.
[00:12]
Todd Chrisley
Thank you so much.
[00:14]
Savannah Chrisley
Is it weird being back to doing a podcast?
[00:18]
Julie Chrisley
Yes, it is. But I'm super excited.
[00:23]
Todd Chrisley
I feel like I did1 for 28 months with all the people that was around me.
[00:27]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, because you ran that up in there.
[00:32]
Todd Chrisley
I did. I did. They called me Teflon Todd.
[00:36]
Savannah Chrisley
Y' all got out May 28th. Yes, that. How long ago was that?
[00:41]
Julie Chrisley
Three weeks ago today.
[00:43]
Savannah Chrisley
Three weeks ago today? Does it feel like it's been three weeks?
[00:48]
Todd Chrisley
I don't. I mean, I think that your perception of things and mine is different.
[00:53]
Savannah Chrisley
Totally different.
[00:54]
Todd Chrisley
So, I mean, what it.
[00:55]
Julie Chrisley
Well, certain times it feels like it's been a long time, and then certain times it feels like it just happened.
[01:01]
Todd Chrisley
I think for me, I was always free. In my head, I was still free. I was.
[01:06]
Savannah Chrisley
Just. Because you lived at the Ritz and the Caymans, really, the whole time in your head.
[01:10]
Todd Chrisley
I did not. I did not take up residence there. I mean, I was in prison. Prison was not in me. And I made great friends there. And I knew. I stayed in. I stayed in my faith, I prayed, I read my Bible, I worked out, I walked and. And I wreaked havoc on anyone that was mistreating somebody else.
[01:28]
Savannah Chrisley
Oh, we know. And I was an accomplice in wreaking havoc.
[01:32]
Todd Chrisley
You were. I could not. Listen, this is the truth. I could not have closed Pensacola without you. You was instrumental in that. I mean, the warden there, just so she knows, you were my accomplice the entire time. But, I mean, she knew that because of the press.
[01:47]
Savannah Chrisley
Well, yeah. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.
[01:49]
Todd Chrisley
Right? But, you know, she was trying to figure out how. How is he getting this information to Savannah? How's he getting this information to Savannah? Your staff.
[01:57]
Savannah Chrisley
Exactly. And other family members.
[01:59]
Todd Chrisley
Exactly.
[02:01]
Savannah Chrisley
So before you go too much into prison, go back to y' all being dropped off.
[02:09]
Julie Chrisley
Being dropped off?
[02:10]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes. Being dropped off at prison. I'll let mom go first. What was that day like? Explain to people.
[02:20]
Julie Chrisley
That day was just. It started really, really early because you and your dad left around 2:00am because you had to go to Florida. Because we had to self surrender on the same day.
[02:33]
Savannah Chrisley
What was me, dad, Grayson, and Nick all went. Yes.
[02:38]
Julie Chrisley
Yes. And then for me, it was Chase. No Chase. Mom, dad went with me.
[02:46]
Savannah Chrisley
Yep. And Chad.
[02:47]
Julie Chrisley
And Chad. Yes. So we kind of split up. So, you know, I got ready that morning. We got in the car we left. I've said many times, looking back, I don't think it hit me that we were leaving and going to not see each other, speak to each other for years, potentially. Well, it was years.
[03:10]
Todd Chrisley
Yeah, it was years, 28 months.
[03:12]
Savannah Chrisley
Well, no, we say that y' all just got up and left that morning like you were coming home that night.
[03:17]
Julie Chrisley
We did. We did.
[03:18]
Todd Chrisley
And I think that there was. There was some of that mentality, because I don't know that the shock. The shock. We were still in shock.
[03:27]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[03:27]
Todd Chrisley
And so I think that for me, I had you and Grayson and Nick, and, you know, on that drive down there, we hardly ever spoke. I mean, we didn't talk. And Grayson fell asleep on my shoulder. And I just remember because I had said to you, like, a week before, because you said, are you afraid? And I said, no. I said, God has. God has taken that from me. And I'm so grateful for that, because when I got out with my Bible, I didn't have any fear.
[04:01]
Savannah Chrisley
I will never forget you. As we pull up, you said, y' all don't get out. We're going to say our goodbyes. I'm not hugging y' all goodbye.
[04:09]
Todd Chrisley
Right? Yeah. Because it was never goodbye for me. It was always, see you later. And I knew I was going to see you later. The hard part of that day, it didn't set in with me until that evening that I realized that I wasn't going to see you again. I was going to see our kids. I was going to see my mom, but I would not be seeing you. So that was hard that first night. And I was so angry with God. And I remember when the lights went out, I lay there and I cried, and I said, God, why have you forsaken me? What did I do in my life that warrants this? You know these things are not true. But yet you allowed it to happen. And I went to sleep. And in my dream, God came to me and said, I have planted you where I need you, and when you leave, they will rise. And you. And I talked to you about that. I never understood it. Now I understand it. With the movement that we have going on with the prisons and stuff, I now understand what that dream meant. Because when I leave, they will rise. Well, I have left. And now the place is closing. Now the new memo has come out that there's going to expand home confinement that these men are going to through a new great director, Billy Marshall and Josh Smith, the deputy director. Those have now come out making sure that President Trump's initial initiative, First Step act in 2018, that those men and women will now get those credits and they will be reunited with their families. So I now know exactly what the dream meant because they are rising.
[05:52]
Savannah Chrisley
And so for you, mom. Cause see, I wasn't there when you got dropped off. So what was.
[05:58]
Julie Chrisley
Right. Yeah. Was I scared? Absolutely. I was scared of the unknown because I didn't know what it was gonna be like, you know, I didn't know. And where I am. Which was different than where dad was. Yeah, very different. Different. I was an extension of a real prison.
[06:17]
Savannah Chrisley
And when she says real, she means within the Bureau of Prisons there is. They've got supermax max, mediums, lows and camps.
[06:29]
Julie Chrisley
Right. So that was a medium. No, I was a satellite camp off of a federal medical center which was. Which housed all custody levels. So there was, you know, the, the fence and the razor wire and you know, the security there. Now where I, I was in particular, there wasn't. But it was right next door to it, so.
[06:55]
Savannah Chrisley
But the receiving, where you had to be received.
[06:58]
Julie Chrisley
I had to go into that part of the prison. Yeah, yeah. So I think that was different than where you were.
[07:05]
Todd Chrisley
I didn't. As I've.
[07:07]
Savannah Chrisley
Yours is scary. Yours is scary, his is not.
[07:09]
Todd Chrisley
Yeah. Cuz mine was just like a busted, broke little summer camp.
[07:14]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[07:14]
Julie Chrisley
I mean, it was. So I was scared just because I didn't know what to expect.
[07:21]
Savannah Chrisley
And then when you had to go through that process of them putting you in the system, you came out and there was a van waiting to take you. Yes.
[07:34]
Julie Chrisley
So I came out and there was a white van waiting to take me.
[07:39]
Savannah Chrisley
We laugh. Focus. Tell. Tell them who's driving them.
[07:43]
Julie Chrisley
Okay, so there were two women in the van. Now keep in mind I didn't know these women. I got to know these women later, you know. So the lady driving the van was doing a 25 year prison sentence. And so when I went to prison, she had already been in over. Been in prison over 20 years. So she was driving.
[08:06]
Savannah Chrisley
How was she.
[08:06]
Todd Chrisley
How is she there for 20 years? For. Since was 25.
[08:09]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah, because she didn't get FSA and she had lost a lot of good time.
[08:14]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[08:15]
Todd Chrisley
Oh, so she was thugging it up while she was there.
[08:19]
Savannah Chrisley
So we talked about her friend.
[08:20]
Todd Chrisley
I ain't talking about her friends because I got thugs too.
[08:23]
Julie Chrisley
She now has, she has a book. She has several books out. But good talk about that later. I remember it very vividly. I got in the van and they knew. They knew I was coming. Word had gotten around, so they knew I was coming. And I get in the van and I'm just sitting there. They're like, the one girl, she says, I'm just gonna let you know you're gonna hate it. It's a piece of crap. It's hot, it's cold. You're gonna hate it. It's horrible. I was like, okay, okay, okay. And I walked in the door, and then I was just, like, bombarded. So I walk in the door, there was someone there to show me where to go. Ended ended up. I didn't know at the time, but a girl got me to the room, got me a bed, a nice bed, actually. She ended up being my bunky later on, like two years later. But it was very overwhelming because people kept coming in and, you know, because I was new and people knew who I was, so it was really overwhelming for the first few days for me.
[09:36]
Savannah Chrisley
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[10:27]
Todd Chrisley
I thought that was your mom.
[10:29]
Savannah Chrisley
She ran the stop sign and I'm like you.
[10:32]
Julie Chrisley
I don't think it was the same one, but it was.
[10:34]
Savannah Chrisley
But still, this is a woman in custody that's driving this van and just barreling down. And you just see her in there, and I'm like, you probably should not be driving.
[10:44]
Julie Chrisley
Oh, yeah, we drove. There were vehicles all over the place.
[10:48]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, that was gators.
[10:50]
Todd Chrisley
I didn't do any of that. I did not work. I did not give them any labor. I did. I still.
[10:56]
Julie Chrisley
You were.
[10:56]
Savannah Chrisley
No, you were in the chapel.
[10:58]
Todd Chrisley
Yeah, but I prayed for their demise. That's the only work I did.
[11:01]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, but there also was somebody that said that you really didn't have a job in the chapel. You remember that?
[11:08]
Todd Chrisley
That was that person that had that little Instagram account that said that I didn't work in the chapel. Well, you know, you shouldn't be lying on God's helpers. You can't Be doing that. When you start messing with God's chosen children, he will strike you down. I was in the chapel the entire. When I got there, I did my processing, which took literally five minutes. And they said, we'll walk you up to laundry. So, I mean, they walked me up to laundry, and I remember seeing those ugly ass green uniforms.
[11:39]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[11:40]
Todd Chrisley
And I remember saying. I said, is this the only one color? And the guy laughed and he said, yeah, it's all one color. I said, mm, okay. So he gives me my uniforms and I'm walking back and I get to my room and I have all this stuff laying on my bed, like a shaving kit with all my stuff that I would use and tennis shoes and new sweats and stuff. And I'm like. Because I had read that you don't be taking nothing for free because then you got to give something up. And I'm too old to be fighting all these people off. And so I started looking at it and I'm like, well, someone's already here. And they said, no, that showers. They said, jig will be over to see in a little bit. I said, who? They said, jig? And I said, what is that? And he said, that's his name. I said, his name is Jig? And he said, yeah. I said, okay. So I just still moved it and put it in a chair.
[12:34]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, sure. I'm not taking this.
[12:36]
Todd Chrisley
Yeah. Because, I mean, you can't have me for a honey bun. I mean, that you just can't do. Now, later on a good pair of Nikes, we could have talked. But, you know, I get my bed made up and all that stuff. And then all of a sudden this guy comes walking. He's about 5ft tall, muscles everywhere. And he goes, you got your stuff? And I said, you must be Jig. He said, one and only. And I said. He said, word had been sent to me. He said, to make sure you had everything that you needed. And I said, should I ask who sent word to you? He said, well, you know, we'll just leave it as a good Samaritan. And I said, okay. I said, well, I can pay you for this. He said, no, you can't. He says, because I'm to look out for you. And I said, well, I can take care of myself. He said, I don't have no doubt. He said, but I still got to do what I got to do. So from that point forward, Jig and I became like best buddies. And finally, after about seven months of being there, he tells me who had told him to do that. And I said, you've got to be kidding me. So then, you know, you start hearing people's stories and stuff. Yeah, I was. I just. I made a great friend in jig and jig, you know, was always. There was no reason to look out for me because nothing went on there. I told you, it's a bad. Busted summer camp.
[14:01]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[14:02]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah.
[14:02]
Todd Chrisley
So we didn't have any. There was no fights. There was no dating.
[14:07]
Savannah Chrisley
There was a fight.
[14:10]
Todd Chrisley
Which one?
[14:10]
Savannah Chrisley
Remember the one where he was running down the sidewalk with one shoe on?
[14:16]
Todd Chrisley
Oh, that wasn't really a fight. That was my.
[14:19]
Savannah Chrisley
That's stabbing.
[14:20]
Todd Chrisley
Oh, it was. That's overrated. He was my little fat Samoan friend and he ran out of his shoe because he was chasing that guy. Cause that guy owed him money for a bet. So that's not really like violence. I mean, that's just, pay me my money before I beat the shit out of you. And, you know, I mean, I do that out in the streets. I mean, I don't consider that that bad. But we didn't have really a lot of that. And, you know, you and I have talked about that. And we didn't have Guys. They didn't argue. We just didn't.
[14:51]
Julie Chrisley
We had lots of arguments.
[14:52]
Savannah Chrisley
Daddy.
[14:53]
Julie Chrisley
Women.
[14:54]
Savannah Chrisley
Daddy almost got sent to county one time.
[14:57]
Todd Chrisley
Well, when I jumped on that guy about you.
[15:01]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes. So that was a thing that people don't realize.
[15:04]
Todd Chrisley
A snitch told on Lori L. Flint.
[15:07]
Savannah Chrisley
College admissions guy. Yeah, the college admissions scandal guy was there at Dad's place. And what was it that happened?
[15:16]
Todd Chrisley
He was. He was talking. He was talking smack, saying that, you know, he didn't wear a wire. He never told on anyone. You know, the Fed set him up. This, that and the other. Well, you and I both know, because we know that whole deal. Personal, personally, because of Felicity and him. So. And we'd watched it all, so we knew what had happened. So he starts talking and then he said something about. He said something about Savannah when he.
[15:39]
Savannah Chrisley
Was all up in your space. And he was trying to, like, ask questions and all this stuff. And dad made a comment or something to him, like, are you trying to write another book? Because I'm not going to be a chapter in it. So, like, get the hell out.
[15:54]
Todd Chrisley
And so when he came and asked me, he said, have you started your book? And I said, no. He said, I've started working on mine. And I said, well, I hope that the first chapter introduces you as the biggest snitch in America. And I said, so you and I And I told them about Felicity and Bail and Lori and them. And I said, I don't want to ever have another conversation with you. And so he turned around, walked out. So months later, he was talking shit about Savannah because that's when she had already started, you know, pulling the Barbara Walters and exposing everything in the BoP. And so he started talking smack. And so I just walked up to him and I said, I'm going to say this one more time. I'm already in prison.
[16:37]
Savannah Chrisley
He was not this calm because guys told me at visitation that I'm pretty sure dad said he would shit down his neck.
[16:45]
Todd Chrisley
I said, I will rip your head off and shit down your neck if you talk about my child again. And I meant what I said, and you know I would have done that. And he was like, I'm not. I said, I don't need you to be afraid of me. Just be aware that if my daughter's name comes out of your mouth again, I will rip your head off and shit down your neck.
[17:03]
Julie Chrisley
Oh, okay.
[17:05]
Todd Chrisley
So he literally. We never had another problem with him. I never had another problem with him. But that's really the only issue that I had. I mean, I told staff off. I mean, I told cos and staff.
[17:17]
Julie Chrisley
I didn't have that.
[17:18]
Todd Chrisley
No, because you was up there being Ms. Pollyanna. Yes, ma' am. Yes, ma' am.
[17:22]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. Because I will never forget, at the very beginning, you called me and you were all to pieces because that one asshole cop that walks around with those glasses on, he looks like kind of like a old Jeffrey Dahmer.
[17:36]
Todd Chrisley
Well, there's a lot of those.
[17:38]
Savannah Chrisley
He locked her in the cafeteria.
[17:41]
Julie Chrisley
Oh, yeah. He was a food service. Yeah, he's. He.
[17:44]
Todd Chrisley
But here's the thing. But here's the thing. Only your mother would get locked in a cafeteria. Nobody else does dumb shit like that. I never even went in our cafeteria.
[17:53]
Savannah Chrisley
He didn't. Because he was pissed off at her. He did it on purpose.
[17:57]
Todd Chrisley
And I would have put a BP 8 on his.
[17:58]
Julie Chrisley
He was just a miserable human being.
[18:00]
Todd Chrisley
He really was. They all are. I was surrounded by miserable human beings. And every day I got up and it was my sole intent to make their life even more miserable, because they were there to make our lives miserable. And that's what I never understood. Because you. You had a handful of guys there that thought that they. You know, that they would buddy up to the staff.
[18:19]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[18:19]
Todd Chrisley
And they'd go telling every. Telling everyone else.
[18:22]
Julie Chrisley
We had a few of those.
[18:23]
Todd Chrisley
And I would say to them, I'd say, what in Your mind makes you think that they're your friends, right?
[18:30]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[18:30]
Todd Chrisley
It is us against them.
[18:32]
Julie Chrisley
They are not your friends.
[18:33]
Todd Chrisley
No, it's us against them.
[18:35]
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[20:17]
Todd Chrisley
I think that's the way that it is for women in general.
[20:20]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes, that's the way that it is for women in general. But also throughout the whole appeal process, mom had to go through things that you never had to.
[20:30]
Julie Chrisley
Right, right.
[20:31]
Savannah Chrisley
Such as the diesel therapy, the con air, the.
[20:35]
Julie Chrisley
Right. Well, I think it goes back to just how our prison sentences were different. I was in a building that was 100 years old that had no air conditioning. It had a radiator heat. So it was cold at times in the winter and it was really, really hot in the summertime.
[20:54]
Savannah Chrisley
Well, I can't even imagine. Because you remember during the summer to when the air conditioning was even out in the visitation room.
[21:02]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah, yeah. And so.
[21:03]
Savannah Chrisley
And that was on the very bottom, like.
[21:06]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[21:06]
Savannah Chrisley
Basement.
[21:06]
Julie Chrisley
So there was the basement and then there was a first, second, and third floor. At times during the summer, the temperature on the third floor would be somewhere between 110 and 120 degrees.
[21:19]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[21:20]
Todd Chrisley
Say I would have been raised in mortal hell.
[21:22]
Julie Chrisley
So for that, it was much different and harsher than where your dad was. Everything was very old.
[21:30]
Todd Chrisley
But, you know, we had. We went without air conditioning there for about a week.
[21:34]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. And I.
[21:34]
Todd Chrisley
And you. And I called Savannah on the phone because I knew that they was listening on the. On the Biden phone up there because every time you used a pay phone, that's what we called to Biden phone. I would go up there because I knew there was eavesdropping. So I'd go up and I'd tell them everything that I wanted them to hear. I'd tell Savannah. And literally when I told them, I said, I want you to report to the press. I says that they're housing these men in here in 100 degree weather. I says, there's no air, et cetera, et cetera. The next day, they had the company out there and they installed two brand new units.
[22:05]
Julie Chrisley
So we didn't. We didn't have that. We didn't have that option to even get repaired because we didn't have it to begin with.
[22:11]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. So there was a point in time. I don't. I forgot what it was. But the fire marshal came out and said they had.
[22:22]
Todd Chrisley
They had screwed all of the windows closed.
[22:25]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes. And so that's what I had told the director, that they needed to pull the records for how many times of how many times the fire department was called at Pensacola to see just all the inhumane things that were being done. Even the fire marshal was like, you can't do this.
[22:44]
Todd Chrisley
The fire marshal stood in the front lobby of our building and said, who screwed these windows closed? And the staff, the CEOs, which they didn't. You know, they're guards and they're like. And I said, I'll tell you who did it. And I. And I outed them. I told every bit of it because I never threw rocks and hit hands. I want you. If I hit you between your eyes with a rock, I need you to know I got you. So I don't. I ain't hiding behind it.
[23:09]
Savannah Chrisley
But even with the conditions, both conditions were pretty bad.
[23:13]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[23:14]
Savannah Chrisley
Yours would, I would argue, was way worse than his. But when it came to the whole transport process for you, because I think that addresses to some of the comments you and I talked about it that have been made, that when. Now, when you look at mom, she just looks different in her eyes. Do you think that has a part to play in it?
[23:38]
Julie Chrisley
That was a huge part. The transit process was something that I do not wish on anybody. I mean, I really don't. It was horrible. I left my prison. And keep in mind, yes, we're in prison, but you're not shackled, you're not handcuffed, you're not in a room that's locked. Yeah.
[24:02]
Savannah Chrisley
And they got you super, super early in the morning, right? One of your friends called me.
[24:08]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah, it was early. It was not super early that morning when I left the other facilities. It was early in the morning, but I remember I left early. You are shackled, you are handcuffed, belly chained, and you are taken to the airport. You're put on a plane with men and it's usually, there's usually no more than maybe like 10 women. And then the rest of the plane is completely full with men. And then you were one of three.
[24:46]
Savannah Chrisley
Women during one of the one time.
[24:49]
Julie Chrisley
I believe when I left. But the thing about it is you stop and you pick people up and people get off. So you're, you don't know where you're going. They will not tell you where you're going. All they tell you is you're getting on this plane. I left Kentucky, I went to Oklahoma, which is a transfer.
[25:10]
Savannah Chrisley
Didn't you stop in Memphis first?
[25:13]
Julie Chrisley
I think that was on the way back. I stopped in Memphis, I went to Oklahoma. When you, if you get off the plane in Oklahoma, you're going to either the transfer center, which is there at, it's attached to the airport, or you're going to Cimarron, which is about an two hour bus ride from the airport, or you're going to Grady County Jail. So when I left Kentucky, I went to Cimarron and I was in Cimarron for six days. And you, you know, you're locked in there. You're in a pod, but you have cells that you're, you're in during counts. You're locked in your cell. Of course, the time that I was there was like their twice yearly big shakedown and inspection. So there it was a lot of, a lot of time sitting in a cell. I was in there with one other person. She was a super nice girl that was in transit as well. But it was just a whole different. So most of it were people waiting to either be sentenced or waiting to be transferred to. So they were just starting their prison sentences. I was there for six days, they.
[26:33]
Savannah Chrisley
Tell you, and I spent a fortune midnight Trying to, for us to talk. Literally during that whole process of transport. Spent fifteen hundred dollars.
[26:45]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah. You know, the, the only real advantage to that, to the transport is that we were able to talk more because as long as you have money and, and you either have, they give you a tablet or there's a phone in the pod where you can talk.
[27:00]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah. So like during her transport, we could talk. It wasn't like, like they cut off.
[27:05]
Julie Chrisley
At night, but you could talk. I could talk to her.
[27:08]
Savannah Chrisley
If we wanted to talk two hours a day, we could.
[27:11]
Julie Chrisley
Right. So I was there for six days, midnight. They tell, told me, pack your stuff up, you're leaving. So I packed a little bit of stuff. I had just, basically just clean your, your space up, get ready to go. I sat there at a table till around 2, 3 in the morning because Cimarron is a two hour drive from the airport. So let me back up. When I got to the airport in Oklahoma, they put you on this bus. It was freezing cold. It was loud because it's, you know, everybody's handcuffed and shackled. Two hour drive. Get there. You have to check in, got to the pod. I was there for six days, midnight, one night, they tell me, get ready.
[28:02]
Savannah Chrisley
And so you go from there where?
[28:04]
Julie Chrisley
So I went from there to Lovejoy, which is in Atlanta.
[28:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes.
[28:09]
Julie Chrisley
And that right outside of Atlanta.
[28:10]
Savannah Chrisley
That facility is male and female.
[28:14]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah, they all are male and female everywhere. I watch.
[28:16]
Todd Chrisley
But you don't come in contact.
[28:17]
Julie Chrisley
She walks with this one at, at Lovejoy. It is very close quarters as far as there's. Basically when I was there, there were two pods for women and the rest of the whole facility, hundreds and hundreds were men. But when I was brought into Lovejoy. You were help put in a holding cell.
[28:38]
Savannah Chrisley
Oh, you called me sobbing.
[28:40]
Julie Chrisley
Yes. And it was literally there were men right in the next holding cell fighting, you know, and literally I'm hearing this guard say, talking to this guy that was in the holding cel. Man, I thought you were carving a turkey with that one. Literally where he had cut somebody up. Yeah. Got in a fight and cut someone up. I was, she called me.
[29:01]
Savannah Chrisley
Literally.
[29:02]
Julie Chrisley
We got to love joy around 1:30 in the afternoon. It was 10:30 at night before I.
[29:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Got back to my pod, that's when she called me.
[29:12]
Julie Chrisley
It was horrible. Horrible. I was in this little holding cell with I believe it was two or three other women got back there. It was just, it was loud. The, the whole place reeked of marijuana. It was crazy, like crazy.
[29:32]
Savannah Chrisley
But you were there for how Long.
[29:34]
Julie Chrisley
I was there for the. Well, like six days at the beginning. I was in Cimarron. Then I was at Lovejoy from there till around 10 days after the trial.
[29:46]
Savannah Chrisley
So she. And that was like 40ish or was. And I will never forget sitting there after the recent Inc. And Alex asking Judge Eleanor Ross if. For mom to be given a furlough to go back to the prison, because clearly she was given that at the beginning. Or if they can't put. If we can't pay for the federal government to transport her via vehicle to the facility, because they've done that before. And she said, no, she'll be treated like the rest of them.
[30:23]
Todd Chrisley
But she. But yes, she didn't treat us like the rest of the people. But. And I want to address that. Judge Eleanor Ross, when you look at her cases and you look at how many have been flipped back from the appellate court, the number is astronomical. And that is something that we need to be looking into, because you have these judges that do not have the education or the bandwidth. Just because you graduate from and get your bar license doesn't mean that you're educated in finance, that you're educated in medical, that you have a medical degree. It doesn't mean that you're a tax advisor. Because if you'll remember, in our case, she didn't understand these numbers. All she understood was that we've. That we've got a ton of money, we've spent a ton of money, and that we think we're above the law. That's all she cared about. But this is a judge who would come in and take her shoes off and sit in the chair Indian style. So it doesn't surprise me when you told me that. Because she had a vendetta. Yeah, she had a chip on her shoulder. She was going to. Literally, she was. She was lording over the white privileged individuals that was sitting in front of her.
[31:37]
Savannah Chrisley
Without a doubt.
[31:38]
Todd Chrisley
That's all that was about.
[31:40]
Savannah Chrisley
And mom, can you think if we back up.
[31:43]
Julie Chrisley
So when I received word of the appeal.
[31:47]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes, everything. And that's. We've already, like, we went through that. We walked people through that on the podcast was how you were set up to do your resentencing hearing via Zoom. Yes, it was. The clerk had already communicated with the prison, with Alex, everyone. And then Judge Ross said, nope, she'll be here in person.
[32:07]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[32:08]
Savannah Chrisley
And that's something now that I want to work on with the Bureau of Prisons and Congress. If you're already in federal custody, why are we wasting taxpayer dollars to transport you if they're just going to send you back. Right.
[32:19]
Julie Chrisley
Because in my heart of hearts, I knew that Judge Ross was not going to give me any more time off than what she absolutely had to. Like. I fully expected to come back to prison. I wasn't shocked by her response to the resentencing. I really wasn't.
[32:36]
Todd Chrisley
Well, I don't. So I don't think you can have it. I don't think you can be shocked by it because. And I think you were right and what your interpretation was, because when you have a judge who's having ex parte communication with the prosecutor, knowing that that's a violation, certainly she's not going to do the right thing when it comes to. To you.
[32:54]
Julie Chrisley
Right. So I wanted. That's why I requested to do the zoom also for you, because I know how passionate you are about certain things, and I'm passionate as well, because I've lived them. You know, not only did that resentencing, she didn't take any time off. It actually cost me days. You know, had it not been for you, Alice Johnson, President Trump, I would have served more time in prison because of that resentencing, because I lost 52 days that I was not earning First Step ACT credit.
[33:30]
Savannah Chrisley
Well, and for people that don't understand how that works, as you're in prison, you earn First Step act credits for all of your good time days. But when you're in transport, you're not considered to be in BOP custody. So if you're not in BOP custody, you can't earn those days off, which.
[33:46]
Julie Chrisley
Is also affects all these people who sit in these county jails after they've been sentenced, waiting to go to prison. We had people that came to our camp that had been sitting in county jails for years. Yeah, yeah, we did not earn any first step back.
[34:02]
Todd Chrisley
We had that as well. But the, the good news is, is that. So there's now, I think, roughly seven different circuits that have ruled that at the moment you are sentenced in federal court, you are in federal custody.
[34:17]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes.
[34:17]
Todd Chrisley
And your time starts from that moment.
[34:20]
Julie Chrisley
Forward, as it should.
[34:21]
Savannah Chrisley
Now, something that I want to address was at the resentencing hearing, you had made a statement that a lot of people perceived as an admission of guilt.
[34:37]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[34:38]
Savannah Chrisley
Looking back on that, what was your, what was your goal? What was your mission with the statement that you made? And was that you saying that or was it something different?
[34:48]
Julie Chrisley
It was absolutely something different. You know, based off of advice given from my attorney. Based off here I was in Front of Judge Ross again. Again, the same judge who sentenced me to seven years in prison, who. I am asking for a reduced sentence now that the appellate court has found that she ruled improperly on certain things. So it was not an admission of guilt, but more so you. Your hand is forced for you to say these things to the judge, because if you don't, they use anything they can to not give you any more time off.
[35:29]
Savannah Chrisley
Now. And I think in that moment, watching you, your whole. Because we were sitting in the courtroom, right, Your whole goal was just to get home to your kids.
[35:39]
Julie Chrisley
Absolutely.
[35:40]
Savannah Chrisley
So it didn't matter what you had to say, what you had to do. It was kind of just like, hey, I'm going to do it so I can get home.
[35:47]
Julie Chrisley
Right? Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, again, my attorney advised and said, you know, you need to say X, Y, and Z. You know, we need to plea. Basically throw yourself on the mercy of the court. Yeah, the mercy of the court. You know, so that hopefully she will give you some time off.
[36:05]
Savannah Chrisley
And that's the scary part. You and I have talked about it, dad, of how you have all these people who plead out and they say, yes, I'm guilty, X, Y, and Z, when in reality they're not, but they have no other option.
[36:18]
Todd Chrisley
When you're looking at the federal. When you're looking at the federal government and their success rate, it's 97.3%.
[36:25]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[36:26]
Julie Chrisley
But people need to also understand that this. The success rate is so high because people plead out. You.
[36:32]
Todd Chrisley
People actually go to trial. That's right. They plea because there's. Because they're. The fear of the unknown is why they do it. But if you'll remember, they came to us and, you know, in the beginning and said, you know, we could work out a plea deal. And we both said we're not admitting to something we didn't do.
[36:50]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[36:50]
Todd Chrisley
So. And.
[36:51]
Julie Chrisley
But even after that, even during the sentencing part, because we did not admit to guilt, we were given enhancement because of that.
[37:01]
Todd Chrisley
That's right. And which should. That right there is literally should be something that should be thrown out.
[37:08]
Savannah Chrisley
Go back and clear up what she just said, because y' all just kind of breezed over that at the fact that you're sitting there in a courtroom at your sentencing hearing and because you did not say. Because you were found guilty and you did not say I was responsible for this, I am sorry. You got an enhancement, which means.
[37:33]
Todd Chrisley
That means that you got more time.
[37:34]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah, that means you got more, which is absolutely insane.
[37:37]
Todd Chrisley
But it's the Same thing, Savannah, with these prosecutors, them having prosecutorial, you know, prosecutorial immunity. That should stop. Because we know that Tommy Crap and Annelise Peters, we know the corrupt things that they did in our case. And it's going to be brought out on the, you know, in the new documentary that we're doing with Lifetime and Judge Eleanor Ross, we're asking for a judicial review into her conduct. The. Until we start as a people in this country, we can sit and complain and say, oh, but you know, the federal government, you know, their success rates, 97%, but the success rate depends on the jurors in that jury box. So we as individuals in this country, we go sit in a jury box and we give them their 97% success rate because we have been programmed to believe, well, it's the, it's the federal government, so surely they would not do anything corrupt.
[38:36]
Julie Chrisley
Right. But I think, I think it goes back to, though, a much bigger issue, a much bigger, broader problem of being a broken down system because a jury trial is supposed to be of your peers, a jury of your, you know, people, your peers.
[38:52]
Savannah Chrisley
And, and my peers, if I was a doctor, would be other doctors, nurses, if I was a lawyer. Thank you.
[38:59]
Julie Chrisley
Right. And so you are dealing with a very complex case. Everyone said the judge, said, the prosecutors, the defense. This is a huge case and it's very, very complicated. So I think you were dealing with people who did not understand and based off the questions, they did not have the education, they did not have the knowledge to rule accurately. Well, you have people's life. And I also want to say that I think people don't take jury duty seriously.
[39:31]
Todd Chrisley
Well, no, because we have people coming in in pajamas and bedroom shoes, literally.
[39:36]
Savannah Chrisley
And sleeping and saying, oh, I've got a baby shower I need to get to. They're guilty. Right now, how is an 18 year old pregnant college student gonna understand bank fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy? They're not.
[39:49]
Julie Chrisley
Right.
[39:50]
Savannah Chrisley
And that, to me was a big issue. We knew we were screwed. Whenever they came back with a jury question that said, is the indictment a form of guilt?
[40:00]
Todd Chrisley
Right.
[40:00]
Julie Chrisley
Yeah.
[40:00]
Todd Chrisley
Well, even more scary question was when they came back and said, the jury has a question. And the question was, well, now when you file an extension on your taxes, does that mean you don't have to pay taxes? They clearly understood nothing. And it's very important. I want to address this. People still believe that we owed taxes.
[40:23]
Savannah Chrisley
That's what. Exactly. That was the thing. You were.
[40:27]
Todd Chrisley
We were not sentenced to time for taxes. We didn't owe taxes. We Got a refund. We had overpaid. That's why the, the prosecutors never wanted to make a big deal out of it because they knew that their witness Betty Carter had lied under oath. They knew that the numbers that they had were inaccurate. And then when it was proven to them that we were, that we had overpaid, when the accountant got on the stand, they started backing out of that. And if you remember Annelise Peter Stump, she says you're on of the tax had been paid.
[40:56]
Savannah Chrisley
Yes, exactly. And but to correct. So nobody comes back and says that you were lying. There were taxes owed for like 22, 23, whatever the year was that we were in this.
[41:07]
Todd Chrisley
Right. Cuz they hadn't filed yet.
[41:09]
Savannah Chrisley
Exactly. Cuz they hadn't been filed yet. But all the back stuff we didn't owe.
[41:13]
Julie Chrisley
Right, right.
[41:14]
Savannah Chrisley
So when it comes to the taxes, nothing was owed like it had already been paid. For the years that they were alleging that there was tax.
[41:22]
Julie Chrisley
It was decide it was brought out by the IRS. That money was sitting in an account.
[41:29]
Todd Chrisley
In your IRS account over $500,000.
[41:34]
Julie Chrisley
But because they had put my name first and not your dad's name first, they didn't, they weren't aware of that. Which I find very hard to believe considering that our tax records were pulled over 10,000 times during the course of the investigation.
[41:48]
Todd Chrisley
And I want you to think about this. For every United States taxpayer, our tax, our tax information was pulled internally by the IRS over 10,000 times. Betty Carter, supposedly an expert, dealt with high net worth individuals, high profile individuals, pulled it hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of times. But yet she never saw that five hundred and something thousand dollars sitting there that had been paid eight years ago or whatever it was.
[42:25]
Julie Chrisley
We're together, we've been married for 30 years. So how, how are you not looking at both?
[42:31]
Savannah Chrisley
They knew exactly what it was.
[42:32]
Todd Chrisley
She said that because she knew she had been caught in a lie on the other. So it was easier for her to come back say well I didn't see that money. Well that goes again. That spits in the face of her declaration of her touting how long she'd been with the irs. How what an expert she was in the field. Well, you're such a damn expert that you didn't have enough sense to look. Because when the expert that we hired looked at the transcripts, she found it right away.
[42:59]
Savannah Chrisley
Yeah.
[42:59]
Todd Chrisley
So how is she going to find it but not the person inside.
[43:02]
Savannah Chrisley
And too I think it also goes to show how these individuals seek out certain people and certain cases because it's no coincidence that Betty Carter, who was on our case, is also the one that was after Kim, went after Kim Zolciak and their family. So it's these government officials. All they want to do is make a name for themselves.
[43:26]
Todd Chrisley
That's it. That's it there, you know, and I very targeted.
[43:30]
Savannah Chrisley
So this whole process has obviously been an absolute cluster from the very beginning.
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