Trust Your Gut (feat. Whitley Haley)

Summary

Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley — "Trust Your Gut" (feat. Whitley Haley)

Episode Date: January 13, 2026
Guest: Whitley Haley
Host: Savannah Chrisley
Podcast: Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode centers on Whitley Haley, a social media influencer and survivor of both domestic abuse and stage four Hodgkin's lymphoma. Savannah and Whitley engage in a frank conversation about trusting your instincts—whether in health, relationships, or life at large. The pair discuss Whitley’s viral cancer journey, the impact of trauma, resilience in the face of adversity, and the power of speaking out for oneself and others. The episode is peppered with humor and authenticity, providing both comfort and actionable hope to listeners facing similar battles.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Whitley's Viral Cancer Journey

• The Initial Instinct and Diagnosis
  • Whitley describes the moment she “knew” something was wrong after a doctor detected a mass on her chest.
    • “I looked my husband dead in the face and I was like, I’ve got cancer.” (02:03, Whitley)
  • Discusses symptoms that began during pregnancy (itching, bruising, illness) and persisted post-partum, eventually leading to a stage four Hodgkin’s lymphoma diagnosis.
    • “I was itching really bad...my legs were bleeding. It was awful. And then just my cough ended up getting so bad, I fractured a rib.” (04:11, Whitley)
  • Shared her journey on social media from the get-go for transparency and support.
    • “I was like, I’m gonna have to, like, put it out there...I just know I have a mass in my chest and ask him for prayers. And then that was the video. That was the very first one I posted, and it blew up.” (03:12, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[00:59–08:09] — Discovery, symptoms, diagnosis, and initial viral post.

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2. Treatment and Challenges

• Chemo Experience:

  • 6 months, 12 rounds, aggressive treatment including “the Red Devil.”
    • “I did four bags of chemo every other week. And I’d be there from like 7 or 8am to about 3 in the afternoon.” (06:49, Whitley)
  • The emotional toll, especially hair loss.
    • “The hair loss, for sure...It was awful. Like, shaving it almost felt empowered at the moment...but I was just like, this kind of sucks because you got people...mean people on the Internet.” (07:40, Whitley)

• Impact on Family:

  • Children became more withdrawn; husband struggled to process emotionally.
    • “They tried to make me feel as normal as possible at home. But then whenever they would go away from me, that’s whenever they would kind of, like, express.” (07:09, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[06:10–09:36] — Treatment regimens, struggles with side effects, social media reactions.

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3. Relationships & Resilience

• Marital Strain:
  • Whitley discusses her husband's different coping mechanism and emotional style, highlighting potential friction.
    • “He doesn’t have a lot of empathy...he’s a football coach, and, like, he’s just wired different. There were so many times, like, in the middle of it, I’m like, I’m ready to just give up.” (13:26, Whitley)
    • “Even when I told him like, it’s stage four, like, he was still like, oh, you’ll be fine.” (15:13, Whitley)
• Support Systems:
  • Profound gratitude for her grandmother’s role.
    • “I couldn’t have gotten through it without her. 100%...between that and all the doctor’s appointments and everything else. Because juggling all that is a lot.” (16:17 & 16:37, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[12:16–17:06] — Marriage under pressure, family and friends’ vital support.

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4. Faith, Perspective & Growth

• Faith Journey:
  • Wrestling with anger at God and the meaning behind suffering.
    • “In the beginning, yeah. I was like, wow. Like, I’ve been through so much...How could you do that to me? But also, like, as time went on, I was just like, I feel like I have grown so much as a person from everything, and I’m like, I mean, this is not the way I wanted to learn, but I mean, it is.” (17:33–18:29, Whitley)
• Ultimate Takeaway:
  • Growth can emerge from struggle, even when it's far from our chosen path.
    • “Anytime I’m talking to God, I’m like, I don’t really like the way you did this, but, like, I get it, man. Like, I get it.” (18:21, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[17:17–18:37] — Spiritual grappling, finding purpose through pain.

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5. Surviving & Speaking Out About Domestic Abuse

• Abuse in First Marriage:

  • Endured five years of abuse; meticulous evidence gathering led to a safe exit.
    • “As soon as the abuse started...my mom...was like, I want you to screen record or take videos, voice recordings, take pictures of anything...always send it to me and delete it from your phone. And so, sure enough, I had five years of built-up evidence. It was insane.” (25:02, Whitley)
  • Left when ex-husband harmed her child.
    • “He put his hands on my oldest son. I was like, yep, that’ll do it...Done. After that, I was out.” (20:14, Whitley)

• Stigma and Silence:

  • Explains why so many victims stay silent; emphasizes fear and victim-blaming.
    • “Fear. Literally fear…when you speak up about certain situations, people will be like, oh, well, what did you do to cause that?” (19:20, Whitley)

• Empowering Others:

  • Receives messages from other women inspired to leave abusive relationships due to her openness.
    • “I still have women to this day...I just now, after three years, got the courage to leave. But I want you to know that your story stuck in the back of my mind the entire time.” (27:24, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[18:47–27:40] — Abuse survival, why victims stay, encouragement of others.

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6. Navigating Post-Cancer Life & Mental Health

• Health Monitoring:
  • Ongoing scans every six months due to risks of recurrence and chemo side effects.
    • “I go for scans every six months, get a CT scan...since I did Red Devil, it can affect your heart.” (28:45, Whitley)
• Therapy & Mental Health:
  • Struggles to find time and resources for therapy amidst practical obstacles.
    • “I need to. I keep telling myself I’m gonna go...all that just kind of overwhelms my little ADHD brain.” (29:38, Whitley)
• Radical Vulnerability:
  • Shares everything online—even the most embarrassing parts—finding power in honesty.
    • “I literally just posted a video earlier. I was like, embarrassment is scared of me. Like, I just, I don’t care...I’ve shown up, up to mill on the Internet with millions of people seeing me bald headed.” (37:41, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[28:29–38:01] — Adjusting to survivorship, mental health needs, candor on social media.

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7. Life & Career as an Influencer

• Transition to Social Media:
  • Social media became her necessary source of income after losing her clientele during treatments.
    • “Most of my clientele went away and so it was like, okay, well now I really have to go...full-fledged social media because I got to pay for treatments.” (12:16, Whitley)
• Embracing Her Mistakes:
  • Stories behind becoming "the girl who stole a shoe," tattooing the wrong remission date, and how she keeps it real.
    • “You’d be surprised by how many people here, when I go out in public and national now, are like, you’re the girl that stole the shoe. And I’m like, yeah, that’s me.” (33:32, Whitley)
    • “I told you, like, read my bio. You should have known I was a risk when you asked me to come.” (34:56, Whitley)

Timestamped Segment:

[32:41–36:12] — Influencing as profession, signature mishaps, building a relatable online brand.

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8. Embracing Imperfection and Moving Forward

• Acceptance & Humor:
  • Using humor and acceptance to navigate ADHD and parenting.
    • “It’s a million wonders how I’ve kept myself alive and all three children, because I’m just like, my ADHD...I can drive somewhere and I disassociate so hard to where I won’t even remember driving there.” (35:56, Whitley)
  • Maintaining authenticity online; rejecting pressures of perfection.
    • “There’s so many people who got out there and they’re like living this picture perfect life…and you’re here like, hey, like happens.” (37:18, Savannah)

Timestamped Segment:

[36:12–38:16] — ADHD, imperfect parenting, and authentic social media.

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9. Whitley's Message & Where to Find Her

• Final Encouragement:

  • Whitley remains committed to vulnerability and empowering others.
    • “I am an influential person...on my good days, I’m like, I am such a badass...I am an influential person.” (28:14, Whitley)

• Handle:

  • “Tennessee.Whitney, which actually started as a joke.” (38:53, Whitley)
  • Savannah: “I absolutely love you. And, guys, go follow her. I mean, her videos are amazing—just so [real].” (39:08, Savannah)

Timestamped Segment:

[38:53–End] — Social media details, episode wrap-up, mutual support.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• ("I’ve got cancer." – Whitley Haley, 02:03)
• “There’s a special place in hell for people…” – Savannah Chrisley, on online trolls, (08:08)
• “I just knew, like, in my gut that it was [cancer].” – Whitley Haley, (02:47)
• “My grandmother’s help...There’s no way I could have gotten through all of it without her.” – Whitley Haley, (16:34)
• “As soon as he had put his hands around my throat while I was pregnant, I told my mom and she was like, okay...We’re gonna keep documenting this just in case it ever happens again...” – Whitley Haley, (25:02)
• “I feel like I have grown so much as a person from everything… this is not the way I wanted to learn, but I mean, it is.” – Whitley Haley, (17:56)
• “Embarrassment is scared of me. Like, I just, I don’t care anymore. I’m like, I’ve shown up, up to mill on the Internet with millions of people seeing me bald-headed.” – Whitley Haley, (37:41)
• “On my good days, I’m like, I am such a badass...I am an influential person.” – Whitley Haley, (28:14)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:59–08:09 – Cancer journey’s start, symptoms, and going viral
• 13:26–17:06 – Impact of illness on marriage, support from family
• 17:17–18:37 – Wrestling with God, growth from adversity
• 18:47–27:40 – Domestic violence: surviving, leaving, empowering
• 28:29–38:01 – Life after cancer, mental health, radical candor online
• 38:53–End – Socials, episode wrap-up, mutual encouragement

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Tone & Signature Moments

The conversation is raw, often humorous, and marked by unfiltered honesty. Both Savannah and Whitley openly discuss uncomfortable topics—grief, abuse, parenting, messy mistakes, medical trauma—but always circle back to growth, support, and resilience.

Memorable Moment:
“I was so constipated from chemo today, I had to manually dig a poop out of my butt...Embarrassment is scared of me.” (37:33–37:41, Whitley, showing radical authenticity)

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Takeaways

• Trust your gut: Intuition can save your life, in health and relationships.
• Vulnerability is powerful and can help others feel less alone.
• Healing is nonlinear—support, faith, and self-acceptance make the journey bearable.
• Speaking out about domestic abuse can inspire others to escape.
• Social media can be a tool for both survival and empowerment.

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Find Whitley Online

• Instagram handle: [@Tennessee.Whitney] (as shared at 38:53)

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Whitley’s story is a powerful testament to the strength found in honesty, and the show’s conversational, supportive tone makes it both moving and accessible. This is a must-listen for anyone facing adversity, as Whitley and Savannah remind us that, even when life is hard, “you just keep going.”

Transcript

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[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Book today on the site or in the app. Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. I have Whitney Haley on and I am very excited because we've been trying to do this for a while now.

[Whitney Haley]

It feels like fourth time is a charm.

[Co-host / Friend]

Fourth or third. It may be third or fourth. Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah, I think it's fourth.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's. But hey, it worked out.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So thank you for coming on your story. I will never forget following you on social media and just like your story went viral.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. And way more than I ever expected.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really? Yes. So what was the first thing that you posted? Well, I guess go back and maybe tell people.

[Whitney Haley]

Honestly, I remember sitting. I'd gotten home from the doctor's office and I remember her saying, like, there's a mass on your chest. We're gonna refer you into. Or to get a. It was either a chest CT or a scan, something like that. And so they set that up. And I remember coming home that day and I looked my husband dead in the face and I was like, I've got cancer. And he was like, no, you don't even know that yet. You don't know. I was like, yes, I do. Like, I would. There's no way I would have the symptoms that I'm having, taking the medications that I'm taking, and them not work. And cancer's like, I have four people in my family who've had different types of cancer. And so I'm like. I just knew, like, in my gut that it was.

[Interviewer / Host]

And how.

[Whitney Haley]

Being.

[Interviewer / Host]

And how old were you?

[Whitney Haley]

31.

[Interviewer / Host]

31. So this was like a year ago.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. So this two years ago. I'm 33 now.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, well, like a year and a half, because if it was in 20.

[Whitney Haley]

So I got. I had my scans that January of last year.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay. One cell.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So what were the symptoms that you were having? Because this was six months after you gave birth, Right?

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. Well, to answer the last question, I came home that day from, like, getting that news, told my husband that, and then I immediately, like. I was like. Because I was already doing social media anyways. I was like, I'm gonna have to, like, put it out there.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And, you know, let people know, because I'm not going to be able to just quit my job. And so I ended up coming home and like, filming, like, hey, I don't know what's going on. I just know I have a mass in my chest and ask him for prayers. And then that was the video. That was the very first one I posted, and it blew up.

[Interviewer / Host]

And how did your husband take the news?

[Whitney Haley]

I think he's still in a state of, like, this isn't real. Like, he doesn't. I don't think it. He processes it fully.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really.

[Whitney Haley]

It's just like a flu to him. And I'm just like, oh, okay.

[Co-host / Friend]

Oh, okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's a little more than that.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So when you. What symptoms were you having?

[Whitney Haley]

The first one started out, I started itching really bad while I was pregnant with Ari. And I had had two pregnancies before Ari and never had a single issue out of either one other than getting them here. And I was itching really bad. And then the doctor told me. He was like, maybe it's cholestasis. We kept trying for or testing for cholestasis. The test kept coming back negative. And so he was like, okay, we're just going to induce you early. And then if the symptoms don't go away, which they should after you deliver, maybe it's just hormones. And he was like, they should go after that. Well, flash forward to having the baby. None of the symptoms went away. Well, the itching didn't go away. And then that's when I started getting sick, like, almost Flu, like, symptoms or like, a viral infection. I started coughing really bad. I was having bloody noses. I was bruising really bad from itching so bad. Like, my legs were bleeding. It was awful. And then just my cough ended up getting so bad, I fractured a ribbon.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, my.

[Whitney Haley]

And I think I went through three or four rounds and kept going back to the convenient care, and nothing worked. And then that's when she did the X ray and then referred me. And so that's when I found out.

[Interviewer / Host]

And what. How long did it take from, like, when you first started getting sick to when you found out?

[Whitney Haley]

Oh, God. I got. I started noticing I was sick probably a month after I had Ari. So, like, September. Ish of 2023. And then I'd say around December is when I was. Or October. November is when. October. I went and saw the convenient care lady and then went back in November, went back in December. And then that's when everything just kind of escalated.

[Interviewer / Host]

And so.

[Whitney Haley]

So I was like, y', all, this is. Something's wrong. Because antibiotics work for me every time because I take them so little.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Like, usually my body responds quickly, for sure. And I just knew.

[Interviewer / Host]

So what exactly were you diagnosed with?

[Whitney Haley]

Hodgkin's lymphoma. Stage four.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, my gosh.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor Announcer)]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Crazy.

[Interviewer / Host]

Stage four. I didn't.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yep. Wow.

[Interviewer / Host]

And so your treatment was very aggressive.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. I did chemo for six months every other week. Six. No, six or 12 rounds. Six months, 12 rounds. That's what it was.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Wow.

[Whitney Haley]

And then the chemo, because I did four different types of chemo, so I did abvd. I can't even tell you what those stand for, but I know one of them was, like, the Red Devil, which is like.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes. You hear about that all the time.

[Whitney Haley]

The worst of the worst. And so did that one. And I did four bags of chemo every other week. And I'd be there from like 7 or 8am to about 3 in the afternoon.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, my gosh.

[Whitney Haley]

Was crazy.

[Interviewer / Host]

And how. How did your kids deal with this?

[Whitney Haley]

They were quiet most of the time. Like, you'd see them kind of. A lot of their teachers would tell me things. They'd be like, well, Breck is just a little quiet today, or he's not talking. I feel like they tried to make me feel as normal as possible.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

At home. But then whenever they would go away from me, that's whenever they would kind of, like, express. Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

That is just.

[Whitney Haley]

They've always been, like, brave for me, though, because I've been through so Much.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah. And so when you started, what would you say was the hardest part about your journey?

[Whitney Haley]

Oh, God, to be honest. The hair loss. Hair loss, for sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

Especially as a woman, I feel like that's just your identity.

[Whitney Haley]

It was. It. It was awful. Like, shaving it. Almost felt empowered at the moment. Like, I was doing it. But then the more I would have to go out in public and I was showing my face online all the time. I was just like, this kind of sucks because you got people. There's mean people on the Internet, like, sometimes, which is crazy.

[Interviewer / Host]

There's a special place in hell for people.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

They'd, like, I'd get called Mr. Clean and I'd be like, you're a freaking middle schooler. Shut your mouth. What are you talking about?

[Interviewer / Host]

Exactly.

[Whitney Haley]

People were so mean. And then you'd also have, like, people who are so nice. And then people would be like, oh, you're so pretty. And then you get in your head and you're kind of like, well, I don't feel pretty. Like, are you just telling me that to make me feel better? It's just like a whole mental.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Thing. And mental stuff is exhausting.

[Interviewer / Host]

And how did you kind of work through that delusion?

[Whitney Haley]

Delusion. I was just like. I mean, they're. Like, I've said before a lot of times, like, there's just nothing you can do about it. Like, why am I going to sit there and worry myself to death and stress myself to death over something I absolutely cannot control?

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Like, I mean, obviously there's options out there. You can put a wig on, you can get mesh integration, which your hair gets a little bit longer, but it just. Still nothing felt like myself.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And so it was exhausting.

[Interviewer / Host]

The chemo definitely took a toll on your body. I think you have it in, like, your Instagram bio.

[Whitney Haley]

Like, yeah, chemo killed my brain cells. And, baby, I already didn't have a lot to start with. Like, my first marriage was traumatic, so I lost several there. I've got several, like, childhood trauma issues and then just my ADHD on top of it. I'm like a walking time bomb ready to just explode. Like, my brain doesn't work half the time.

[Co-host / Friend]

I love you.

[Whitney Haley]

I'm like, I didn't have any to lose. Like, I couldn't spare this, but okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

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[Interviewer / Host]

So you were married previously? Yeah. And are your oldest two from your first marriage? Okay.

[Whitney Haley]

Yep.

[Interviewer / Host]

So you were married previously and then how long have you been married to your husband now?

[Whitney Haley]

Four years.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, wow.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So you and, I mean you basically were newly married.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And you get diagnosed with cancer.

[Whitney Haley]

We've had so many things thrown at us. I mean like a move, a baby cancer. And then I lost my job doing lash extensions while I was, I mean, didn't lose it. But like most of my clientele went away and so it was like, okay, well now I really have to go like full fledged social media because I got to pay for treatments.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

You know.

[Interviewer / Host]

Wow. And what did, what did the treatments cost you?

[Whitney Haley]

Insurance covered quite a bit of it. I'm not really sure. I'm still paying.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's awful. I think insurance is the biggest racket scam. It is, yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Insurance, health insurance. I'm like, it is. At this point, I'd rather just not even have it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

But then you hear some people, they're like, oh, I paid fifteen hundred dollars for a doctor's visit today. I'm like, just to be seen.

[Interviewer / Host]

Just to be seen.

[Whitney Haley]

Criminal.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes, it is.

[Whitney Haley]

I've looked at. I'm like, I'm just gonna move out of the country.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm just gonna move out of the country. You know, it's fine. So how in the midst of you going through treatment and obviously trying to raise kids, and how did. Did you see your marriage, like, suffer at all?

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were so many times, like, in the middle of it, I'm like, I'm ready to just give up. Like, just walk away. Because my husband is somebody. He doesn't have a lot of empathy. Like, he's. He's. He's a football coach, and, like, he's just wired different. And so, like, he's a little bit more of a hard on the outside. And so, like, there. I remember vividly this day. I just gotten chemo done and came home the next or the day after I got chemo done. And that's when I would feel the absolute worst, and I would have to go sleep. And mind you, I was still working while I was doing treatment because I pay most of our bills. And so I was still working, and I came home or came home the next day, went to my grandmother's house so that she could watch the baby while I just slept. And I remember him coming home that day and we had something to do. I can't remember, but he came in and he was just like, come on, let's get up. Let's get up. And, like, in my mind, I was like, I hate to say it, but I was like, you know what? I think I'd be fine if I just died right now. And I was just like, I don't think he, like, register, like, he just doesn't understand, like, what cancer does to your, like, mind, your body, your spirit, everything. And so, like, he was just. I think for a second, maybe he was, like, encouraging me, like, tough love, like, let's get up. And I was just like, in that moment, I remember it so vividly. I was just like, how could you say that? Like, how could you tell me to hop right on up? Like, I'm just gonna be able to.

[Interviewer / Host]

I think men also. It's very easy for them to live, especially when you're like a tough guy. It's so easy to live in a state of denial of, all right, well, she's gonna be fine. Yeah, it's fine.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Even when I told him like, it's stage four, like, he was still like, oh, you'll be fine. And I'm just like, I don't know.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I think a lot of that is just like denial and not wanting to see the truth for what it is.

[Whitney Haley]

One, because he'll still, like, with my scans the other day he was like, oh, have you heard anything back? And I'm just like, no. And he's like, oh, okay. I was like, he just doesn't mean it that way, but that's the way it comes across.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's so funny though, cuz my dad is like polar opposite of like, well, why haven't you heard anything? What's going on? I'll call up there right now. Like, he's like, to the.

[Whitney Haley]

That's how I am. That's how I am. And he's just completely opposite. He's like, okay, okay, that's, that's cool.

[Interviewer / Host]

So your grandmother, you said you, you would go to your grandmother's house.

[Whitney Haley]

Either that or she would come to me.

[Interviewer / Host]

Wow. And how old is she?

[Whitney Haley]

76.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, wow.

[Whitney Haley]

I call her nanny. People will be like, you have a nanny? I'm like, not that kind of nanny.

[Interviewer / Host]

Not that kind of nanny.

[Whitney Haley]

This is my nanny, my grandmother.

[Interviewer / Host]

And was she a big support system for you?

[Whitney Haley]

I couldn't have gotten through it without her. 100%. Her and my mom and my dad and my brother would come over occasionally and sit with me and hang out and then some of my friends.

[Interviewer / Host]

But what was the one thing that kind of like saved you throughout this whole journey?

[Whitney Haley]

My grandmother's help.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really?

[Whitney Haley]

Yes. There's no way I could, could have gotten through all of it without her. Like, I was, I was self employed. I was also losing, losing my business, which was, I almost lost my house at one point. And then just trying to raise a baby while also like taking the kids to school, all this stuff. And like, there's no way I could have functioned without her. Between that and all the doctor's appointments and everything else. Because juggling all that is a lot.

[Interviewer / Host]

I don't know how you did it.

[Whitney Haley]

No, me neither.

[Interviewer / Host]

I don't know how you did it.

[Whitney Haley]

No, I'm back. I'm just like, that's just so crazy. I almost like can't remember it sometimes. It was like, kind of a blur.

[Interviewer / Host]

Was. Are you. I like to look at things like that, and I'm like, the only thing that explains it is God.

[Whitney Haley]

No. 100.

[Interviewer / Host]

Like, it's what? But was it hard for you during this whole journey to not be, like, angry at God and be like, I'm 31 years old.

[Whitney Haley]

In the beginning. Yeah. I was like, wow. Like, I've been through so much. My first husband was abusive, and I'm like, you literally almost like, almost died. That man could have literally killed me. And I'm still trying to heal from that. And then now this is being thrown on to me, like, five years later, that trauma is still fresh.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor Announcer)]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Like, I haven't even healed from that. I'm like, how could you do that to me? But also, like, as time went on, I was just like, I feel like I have grown so much as a person from everything, and I'm like, I mean, this is not the way I wanted to learn, but I mean, it is.

[Interviewer / Host]

But sometimes, though, it's some of the toughest battles. You're like, you know what?

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm not happy it happened.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

But, yeah, I do it all the time. Like, anytime I'm talking to God, I'm like, I don't really like the way you did this, but, like, I get it, man. Like, I get it.

[Interviewer / Host]

I get it.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Co-host / Friend]

Now, have you.

[Whitney Haley]

Somebody had to do it. I mean, I didn't really want to volunteer, but. But it's fine. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Have you been very, like, open? Just about your life journey and your first marriage and every single detail, really.

[Co-host / Friend]

The la.

[Whitney Haley]

I'd recently went on a podcast to, I think, in, like, October and spilled my guts then, too. Like, I just.

[Interviewer / Host]

And what was that?

[Whitney Haley]

Love it.

[Interviewer / Host]

What was that trauma like? I feel like there's so many women that go through that, and men. But there's so many women that get in that relationship, and it's like, this is a lot of my life. Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And then they're not open about it either. Like, they have maybe one or two people that they can in, but for the most part, a lot of victims stay silent.

[Interviewer / Host]

And why do you think that is?

[Whitney Haley]

Fear. Literally fear. Because you've got a lot of people who, like, whenever you speak up about certain situations, people will be like, oh, well, what did you do to cause that? And it's like, when I learned stuff like that, like, are you victim blaming? That's insane to me.

[Co-host / Friend]

Oh.

[Interviewer / Host]

When I hear stuff like that, it causes me to lose my mind. I'm like, are you.

[Co-host / Friend]

Have you Lost.

[Whitney Haley]

I see red. I'm like, what do you mean? What did I do to deserve that?

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

That's insane.

[Co-host / Friend]

Unreal.

[Interviewer / Host]

I. So when. How long were you in your first marriage?

[Whitney Haley]

Five years.

[Interviewer / Host]

Five years.

[Whitney Haley]

And I knew I wanted to get out of it by about year one.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really.

[Whitney Haley]

It just took forever for me to actually get away. And what I had to plan was so strategic.

[Co-host / Friend]

What?

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And what was. What finally gave you the courage to walk away?

[Whitney Haley]

He put his hands on my oldest son. I was like, yep, that'll do it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Like, it's, it's one of those, that's like your motherly instincts of like, do whatever you want to do to me. But, yep, you touch my kid, it's game over.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. Done. After that, I was out. And sadly, it's not always like that for everyone. Like, it doesn't matter. Like, I've had, I think I know because he was military. And you'd be surprised how many relationships like this happens in, in the military. It's almost normalized. And so like I remember my first year living on the military base. There was literally like a murder suicide, like four or five houses down from us. The guy shot his kids, drowned or drowned his kids and then shot himself. Like insane.

[Interviewer / Host]

And it's, it's the mental health crisis that's occurring.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. And just like childhood trauma too. Like some people just don't ever want to work on themselves or anything like that. And I'm like, I just don't understand that. And how could you think it? Like, there's nothing wrong with me. I don't need to fix anything.

[Interviewer / Host]

No.

[Whitney Haley]

Constantly, you know, like, what can I do to be better?

[Interviewer / Host]

Everyone can constantly evolve.

[Whitney Haley]

Yes.

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[Interviewer / Host]

So when you got out at you set, you say you had to like plan it.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

What was that plan? You were going through crazy abuse and then you finally had enough. And what was the, the plan?

[Whitney Haley]

Well, my mom had a prior, her job was paralegal so she had a legal background a little bit. And so as soon as the abuse started happening about, I think I was six months pregnant, maybe three months pregnant. As soon as he had put his hands around my throat while I was pregnant, I told my mom and she was like okay. She was like, you Know what we're gonna do? She's like, take, obviously you've gotten this sent in a text message to me. I'm gonna screenshot it, save it, put it in a folder. And I know you're not gonna leave right now, but we're gonna keep documenting this just in case it ever happens again, which, you know, obviously if it happens once, it happens once, it's gonna happen again. And she's like, I know you're not gonna leave right now, but she's like, I want you to screen record or take videos, voice recordings, take pictures of anything, like, until you're ready to leave, and always send it to me and delete it from your phone. I was like, okay. And so, sure enough, I had five years of built up evidence. It was insane. My book was like this thick of everything. And so as soon as I decided to leave, I. We turned everything over to the, like, FBI, the military and everything. And he ended up getting kicked out at the end of it.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really? And where is he now?

[Whitney Haley]

I think he's still in North Carolina. I'm not really sure.

[Interviewer / Host]

And he doesn't see our kids. Wow. Good for you.

[Whitney Haley]

I know.

[Interviewer / Host]

Good for you. That takes a lot of strength. And there's a lot of women who don't. Who just can't stay that strength. And they stay and they either. There's been so many horror stories of women getting murdered by their spouse because they. It's heartbreaking.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. A lot of women stay, like, especially I feel like narcissistic men and like abusive men love to prey on someone who seems vulnerable or just like, either that or it's the complete opposite of like a strong woman who's like, powerful.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And they want to tear them down.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's their. It's a crazy thing in their mind of like, wow, this is like a challenge for me.

[Whitney Haley]

Yes.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's a break them. Yes. Yes. Oh, have you had. When you started becoming vocal about your story, did you have a lot of women messaging you just being like, thank you. Because of you, I got out. Or.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And I still have women to this day. Like, I had a woman, I think it was last year, and she's like, I literally have been here since the beginning. I just now, after three years, got the courage to leave. But I want you to know that your story stuck in the back of my mind the entire time. And I was like, that's so crazy to me.

[Interviewer / Host]

You're literally like.

[Whitney Haley]

I'm like, literally, like, people are reaching out to me over domestic violence and like, Cancer. And I'm just like, I'm such an empathetic person. Anyways, I'll just be in bed, like, crying my eyes out because I'm like, I know this person, like, personally, I'm just like, I'm soaking it all in and I'm just like, in tears. And it's so crazy because, like, I'm so hard on myself and I don't look at myself as like an influential person, but I'm like, on my good days, I'm like, I am like, I such a badass. Like, I. I am an influential person.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes. I mean, you're changing people's lives just by sharing your story and being vulnerable and, and being a voice. And it's. Now I understand fully what you meant by like. I've already been through so much.

[Co-host / Friend]

Now cancer.

[Whitney Haley]

I'm tired. I want a break.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes. And your break. Now where are you at in your healing journey with everything?

[Whitney Haley]

What do you mean?

[Interviewer / Host]

So you did your chemo and were you considered, like, cancer free after that?

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. So now I'm going for. I go for scans every day six months, so I get a CT scan. And since I did Red Devil, it can affect your heart. And so I have to get an echo of my heart. And then I think after it's been a little bit longer, it'll go to one year. And so I'll go yearly, but right now I'm going every six months.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. For checkups.

[Interviewer / Host]

Better to be safe than.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't mind the appointments. Like, they obviously give me, like, such bad anxiety because it's like, like you get those six months and you're like, living like a normal person who hasn't just been through cancer. And so, like, you kinda forget that that's your reality for a little bit. And then you go back to your doctor and you're like, oh, yeah, like, never mind, never mind.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm still here. So are you are. Have you been doing therapy throughout all of this?

[Whitney Haley]

No, I need to, girl. I know, I know I need to. I need to. I've ke. I keep telling myself I'm gonna go. And then I'm like, like, I don't even know where to start though. Like, who to even go to. And all that just kind of overwhelms my little ADHD brain. And then, plus we were in. When we moved in July, my husband is the one who has insurance since he's a teacher. And so we had to figure out health insurance there for a little bit. So trying to find A therapist that insurance will cover is like the needle in a haystack again.

[Interviewer / Host]

Should be illegal.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. I'm like, maybe we need therapy. All of us could benefit from therapy. But. But I mean, I do read a lot of, like, self help stuff.

[Interviewer / Host]

Hey. Read a lot of self help stuff. Watch YouTube videos.

[Whitney Haley]

I do. All the time. Yeah, all the time.

[Interviewer / Host]

I feel like that's like a saving grace. Therapy is a place where you can go and just be as vulnerable as possible.

[Whitney Haley]

Oh, yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And just show up as you are. You don't have to be perfect. You don't have to have it all figured out. You can show up and be like, I'm a mess.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. Oh, I did therapy after my first marriage, and, I mean, I would leave. I was like, wait, this was supposed to help. Help me feel better. Why am I leaving here? Sobbing. It's like I feel like I've been hit by a bus.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, poor thing.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. But I definitely do need to go to therapy for this because it's. It's like a whole different type of trauma. I'm just like, it is.

[Co-host / Friend]

We're.

[Whitney Haley]

Have a lot of fun.

[Interviewer / Host]

What was your. You had to have been so fearful of, like, oh, my gosh. Like, you see your life flash before your eyes.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

You have these three kids at home, and did you find yourself, like, having to write your will?

[Whitney Haley]

And I didn't. I didn't because, like, in my mind, I was like, I'm. I'm gonna beat this. And plus, like, I knew lymphoma, it very rarely is deadly. And so I was like, my oncologist had told me, like, and this is such a weird thing to say, but, like, it's true.

[Interviewer / Host]

If you're gonna have a cancer.

[Whitney Haley]

If you're gonna have a cancer, you would definitely want Hodgkin's Lymp. And so I already knew I had a good shot. And I was like, I'm not gonna ride a wheel. Because I feel like that's almost like accepting it. And I'm accepting it. Yeah, I'm not gonna ride a wheel. No, that's good for you. I. I was actually pushed several times to do it, and I was like, no.

[Interviewer / Host]

And. And where were you getting pushed from?

[Whitney Haley]

My brain just stopped working. Just doctors and stuff. And, like, the women at the front desk, they'd be like, are you sure you don't want it? Yeah, Adv. I'm like, I don't even know what that means.

[Interviewer / Host]

And that's what's so sad. It's like, you are so young to have to be going through this like, you never thought twice about having.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

To make these types of decisions.

[Whitney Haley]

No.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, my gosh. I don't know how you've done it. You are a rock star.

[Whitney Haley]

I'm tired. I say that much.

[Interviewer / Host]

All right, so what is.

[Whitney Haley]

Keep going.

[Interviewer / Host]

What's next for you? What are you focusing on now?

[Whitney Haley]

My career.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[Whitney Haley]

I just. Like, I've always kind of known that I would do something like this.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor Announcer)]

It.

[Whitney Haley]

Like I said, I've always been a little bit delusional, but it is, like, reality. Like, I have such a big. Like, I think you can do absolutely anything if you want it bad enough. Like, yes, I could be a neurosurgeon. And, God, it takes, what, like, 12 years to do it? But, like, I could do it 100%. Like, I know I could. And so I. I've always thought that I would do something like this. And so now that it's, like, my reality, I'm like, oh, I mean, I'm just gonna keep going.

[Interviewer / Host]

Because you're now you're, like, in full time in the influencing space.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And it was hilarious. You posted. You did, like, a brand deal, and you posted that you, like, stole a shoe, like, on accident.

[Whitney Haley]

You'd be surprised by how many people here, when I go out in public and national now, are like, you're the girl that stole the shoe. And I'm like, yeah, that's me. I still got paid. Thank God.

[Interviewer / Host]

That was hilarious. I saw it. It was hysterical. And then you have a tattoo. Yeah. And it has a date on it.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And tell us the story behind that.

[Whitney Haley]

So I actually went. One of the girls on Instagram reached out to me. She's like, hey, are you, like, into hand tattoos or, like, fine line tattoos? And I was like, I've actually thought about getting rid of all mine, but I was like, these are cute and, like, small and fun. I was like, yeah, I'll do it. Sure. And so ended up booking my appointment with her, going and getting that done. And then she asked me. She was like, like, okay, just tell me your admission date. Ended up telling her the wrong date. And after she had gotten done with it, like, I was so dead serious. Like, I said, 8 12, 23 with my chest. I believe with my chest. I believed it. And so I was like, okay, 8 12, 23. Good. I was sitting there. She's already finished this hand. She's getting done with this one. She did the day, like, was finishing up the little details on my fingers, and I looked at the thing I Was like, wait. I was like, I'm not in remission for two years. I was like, I'm one year. I was like, the date's wrong. And she looked like her heart sank to her butthole.

[Co-host / Friend]

Stop.

[Whitney Haley]

It was like, are you serious? I think she thought I was gonna be mad. And I'm like, girl, it's my fault.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's my fault.

[Whitney Haley]

I told you, like, read my bio. You should have known I was a risk when you asked me to come.

[Co-host / Friend]

I was a risk.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And so I was like, I'm so sorry. She's like, okay, okay, we're gonna see it. Because there was a girl that did, like, microblading there. She's like, oh, I can try to remove it with, like, this little thing. And so she tried to remove it, but it didn't work. And I was like, it's really fine. I was like, this is.

[Co-host / Friend]

It's. It's a story.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yes.

[Whitney Haley]

It's a good conversation starter.

[Co-host / Friend]

Exactly.

[Whitney Haley]

I was like, I'm just gonna leave it. And I. We kind of talked about it this past time because I just went and got a touch up. And she's like, do you want to, like, laser it off? And I was like, I thought about it because I'm going to get, like, my bigger tattoos, like, lasered off. I was, like, thinking about it.

[Co-host / Friend]

It.

[Whitney Haley]

And then I decided by the time I got home, I was like, no, I'm leaving it.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's such a conversation starter. It's very much you.

[Podcast Host (Sponsor Announcer)]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And, hey, now that you're a reminder of, like, no.

[Whitney Haley]

Somebody was like, you have the somebody's. Or make it your new remission date. And I was like, nope. I was like, it's not my remission date, but it's somebody's relation.

[Interviewer / Host]

Exactly.

[Co-host / Friend]

That is. That's.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's something I would do.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. No, I. It's a million wonders how I've kept myself alive and all three children, because I'm just like, my adhd. Like, I can drive somewhere and I disassociate so hard to where I won't even remember driving there.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm just like, now was. Would you say that this is primarily after chemo that did this? No.

[Whitney Haley]

You're like, no. I've been like this.

[Co-host / Friend]

I am.

[Whitney Haley]

My poor mom. Like, I. The older I'm getting, and now that, like, my middle child has adhd, like, I'm just seeing me. He is me made over, like, mentally, physically, and I just getting to, like, relive my childhood through him.

[Interviewer / Host]

You're like, I'm so sorry, mom.

[Whitney Haley]

Poor mom. But my mom doesn't have adhd and so like she was able to help like manage mine, whereas me you're just struggles with her own. I'm like, like, you expect me to help this child with ADHD when I can't even help myself.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh my gosh.

[Whitney Haley]

They'll call me up to the school sometimes. I'm like, what do you want me to do? Because I'm not going to be a help. I mean, I can try, but there's only so much I can do because I'm going to forget after I walk out of this building what you just said. Can you actually write it down? And then I might read it later if I remember. Yeah, like, I know.

[Interviewer / Host]

But also too, I just love how honest you are and authentic you are because there's so many people who got out there and they're like living this picture perfect life and everything's great and my life couldn't get any better. And you're over here like, hey, like happens.

[Whitney Haley]

Yeah. No, I've literally come on the Internet and been like, hey. I was so constipated from chemo today, I had to manually dig a poop out of my butt.

[Co-host / Friend]

Stop.

[Whitney Haley]

I could, I could not. I literally just posted a video earlier. I was like, embarrassment is scared of me. Like, I just, I don't care is scared of me. I just don't care anymore. I'm like, I've shown up, up to mill on the Internet with millions of people seeing me bald headed.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

Like there's just. I'm not embarrassed by anything.

[Interviewer / Host]

No. And your hair looks amazing now you're in your grow back phase.

[Whitney Haley]

But then I got like a little mullet. It's like a mini mullet.

[Interviewer / Host]

But see, I didn't realize that you had to find someone who specialized in chemo hair.

[Whitney Haley]

Well, you don't necessarily have to, but it's probably best because chemo blending extensions with chemo hair is so hard because you've got your hair obviously grows like this and so your bottom layer at the back of your hair is the longest. So it's going to be like super long. And then when you get right here, it's going to be like a little shelf. When you get up top, there's going to be another shelf. And so you've got to work through all these little shelves and blending that is so hard.

[Interviewer / Host]

While it looks phenomenal. It looks phenomenal. You look phenomenal. Where can people find you on social media?

[Whitney Haley]

Tennessee. Whitney, which actually started as a joke and I Was like, I want to change it so bad, but, like, so many people know me by it now.

[Co-host / Friend]

I can't.

[Interviewer / Host]

Tennessee, Whitney.

[Co-host / Friend]

It sticks.

[Whitney Haley]

I can't ever move. No, you can't live in Tennessee forever.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, you're staying here forever. You're staying here forever.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

I absolutely love you. And, guys, go follow her. I mean, her videos are amazing. Like, just so.

[Whitney Haley]

I love hearing that. Because I'm so hard on myself.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm like, oh, this sucks.

[Whitney Haley]

I'm gonna quit. I think about quitting once a month.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, well, you're not quitting, pudding. Because they are so relatable, so funny. And people need just. People need more people like you in their life who are just like, hey, I'm showing up as I am. Love it, hate it, I don't care. But you're just. I commend you for everything that you've been through and your strength and just showing up the way that you show up is absolutely amazing.

[Whitney Haley]

Thank you.

[Co-host / Friend]

So thank you.

[Whitney Haley]

Appreciate that.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, all right. Now we're friends, so we're hanging out. We have no choice.

[Whitney Haley]

Then I go call my mom and be like, savannah Chrisley called me her friend.

[Co-host / Friend]

That is amazing. You are awesome.

[Whitney Haley]

No, when you first sent me a message, I was like, mom. I was like, you're never going to believe. I was like, first of all, I was like. Whenever I clicked on your profile, I'd actually found you through. What is that guy that has the farm animals and is hilarious?

[Co-host / Friend]

Oh, my God.

[Interviewer / Host]

Matt Matthews.

[Whitney Haley]

He is freaking, freaking hilarious.

[Interviewer / Host]

He is, like, my new favorite person.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Whitney Haley]

And so I saw his video, and then I went to click your profile, and it said, follow back. And I was like, no way.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yes.

[Whitney Haley]

She follows me, like, in general. And so I hit follow back, and you messaged me, and I was like, okay, okay. So I called my mom. I was like, you'll never believe who's in my DMs.

[Interviewer / Host]

You'll never believe who's in my DM.

[Whitney Haley]

She's like, oh, like the TV shows. Like, yeah, that is big time.

[Interviewer / Host]

Big time.

[Co-host / Friend]

I made it. I made it. I.

[Interviewer / Host]

You're amazing.

[Co-host / Friend]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, thank you so much for coming on. I'm glad we can make it work. The third or fourth time that we attempted.

[Whitney Haley]

That's very on brand for me, so.

[Co-host / Friend]

Well, thank you.

[Interviewer / Host]

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[Whitney Haley]

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[Interviewer / Host]

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[Whitney Haley]

With movies like Joe dirt, pixels, and 51st date. This is awesome. And TV shows like Survivor, SpongeBob SquarePants, the fairly odd Parents and Ghosts. Pluto TV is always free.

[Interviewer / Host]

Haza.

[Whitney Haley]

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