What It Was Like To Raise Julie Chrisley (feat. Nanny Pam)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley Episode: What It Was Like To Raise Julie Chrisley (feat. Nanny Pam)
Release Date: May 13, 2025

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Introduction

In this heartfelt episode of "Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley," host Savannah Chrisley sits down with Nanny Pam, her grandmother, to delve into the family’s upbringing and the challenges they've faced over the years. The conversation offers listeners an intimate look into Savannah's childhood, the dynamics within the Chrisley family, and the resilience they've shown in the face of adversity.

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Early Family Life and Upbringing

Savannah and Nanny Pam reminisce about Savannah's childhood, sharing fond memories and anecdotes that highlight the close-knit nature of the Chrisley family.

• Finding Old Photos:
  Savannah: "It's crazy to look back to at all these. Isn't that insane?" (01:20)
  Nanny Pam: "I love looking at old pictures, though." (02:24)

• Nanny Pam’s Role:
  Nanny Pam explains her role in Savannah's early life, emphasizing how she took care of Savannah's mother, Julie, while Savannah's parents were working. This arrangement fostered a strong bond between Julie and Granny.

• Savannah’s Childhood Experiences:
  Savannah shares vivid memories from her time living in California, including pivotal moments like dealing with food poisoning and the unique experiences of growing up next to Wayne Gretzky's family.

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Family Challenges and Resilience

The discussion shifts to more somber topics, including the challenges faced by the family and their unwavering support for one another.

• Julie’s Early Marriage and Pregnancy:
  Nanny Pam: "We were in love, Savannah, at 16." (04:05)
  Savannah: "But people are going to try to tell her story for." (19:56)
  Nanny Pam recounts Julie's early marriage at 17, her pregnancy during high school, and the family's decision to support her despite societal judgments. They touch upon the misinformation spread by tabloids and Nanny Pam’s refusal to be ashamed of past mistakes.

• Uncle Trey's Tragic Death and Father's Passing:
  Nanny Pam shares the devastating loss of Uncle Trey at the age of 25 and the subsequent passing of Savannah's grandfather shortly after.
  Savannah: "So obviously Uncle Trey passed away. I don't know how any parent gets." (44:20)
  Nanny Pam: "It was the second most heartbreaking thing in my life." (41:41)
  The emotional toll of these losses is evident as they discuss the lasting impact on the family.

• Mother’s Incarceration:
  The conversation tackles the difficult topic of Julie's imprisonment, exploring its effect on the family dynamics and Savannah's relationship with her mother.
  Nanny Pam: "It was like a loss. And it's like, you know, you're in prison too." (44:48)
  Savannah: "But mama has said, I live vicariously through you." (22:16)
  They express frustration with how the media portrayed Julie and the challenges of maintaining a relationship with a family member who is incarcerated.

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Family Dynamics and Personal Reflections

Savannah and Nanny Pam delve into the intricacies of family relationships, highlighting both the joys and the tensions that have shaped their lives.

• Sibling Relationships:
  Savannah describes her relationship with her brother Chase, noting their closeness in childhood contrasted with teenage conflicts.
  Savannah: "As we got older, we fought like cats and dogs." (33:32)
  Nanny Pam: "You did not. When you were, like, he was one, you were two." (33:40)
  These reflections illustrate the natural evolution of sibling relationships over time.

• Influence of Parents:
  The impact of her parents' work ethic and dedication is a recurring theme, with Savannah praising how they built a stable and educated environment despite personal setbacks.
  Savannah: "Mom and dad hustled, they worked. They built a gorgeous life for us." (37:09)
  Nanny Pam: "They never would [feel financial struggles]." (39:43)
  This segment underscores the family's ability to maintain normalcy and prioritize education and community involvement.

• Generational Differences:
  Discussion about how family interactions have changed over generations, particularly concerning communication and technology.
  Nanny Pam: "You can never get together with your family now that they're on their phones." (36:31)
  This highlights the contrast between past and present family dynamics.

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Coping with Loss and Moving Forward

The episode concludes with reflections on coping mechanisms, faith, and the importance of family unity in overcoming tragedies.

• Faith and Support Systems:
  Nanny Pam: "Through my faith in God and Him, I know being by my side through all of this is the only way I have stayed sane." (50:37)
  She emphasizes the role of prayer, the Bible, and supportive friendships in finding strength during difficult times.

• Future Outlook:
  Savannah expresses a desire for the family to come together and address past issues through therapy to heal and move forward.
  Savannah: "If we're gonna actually all come back together, there needs to be an intensive week-long therapy." (53:36)
  Nanny Pam: "We have to, as a family, pull together, forgive, and try to move forward." (50:37)
  This sentiment reflects a hopeful outlook toward reconciliation and healing.

• Legacy and Influence:
  Nanny Pam reflects on her influence on Savannah and the importance of leading by example.
  Nanny Pam: "I just feel like it's all going to work out." (55:25)
  Savannah acknowledges Nanny Pam's positive impact while expressing her own desires for strong family bonds.

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Notable Quotes

• Nanny Pam: "We were in love, Savannah, at 16." (04:05)
• Savannah: "I didn't know it was that long." (21:07)
• Nanny Pam: "It was like a loss. And it's like, you know, you're in prison too." (44:48)
• Savannah: "If we're gonna actually all come back together, there needs to be an intensive week-long therapy." (53:36)
• Nanny Pam: "Through my faith in God and Him, I know being by my side through all of this is the only way I have stayed sane." (50:37)

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Conclusion

This episode of "Unlocked with Savannah Chrisley" offers a profound exploration of family, loss, resilience, and the complexities of maintaining relationships amidst public scrutiny and personal tragedies. Through honest conversations and shared memories, Savannah and Nanny Pam provide listeners with an authentic glimpse into the challenges and strengths that define the Chrisley family narrative.

Transcript

[Savannah]

Welcome back to this week's episode of Unlocked. First off, I know my voice. I'm getting sick. I've been in D.C. for four days, and I feel like I've been going non stop. But on this episode, we have Nanny Pam. Welcome.

[Nanny Pam]

Thank you.

[Savannah]

So y' all have been asking, why hasn't Nanny come on? Like, everyone's been wanting to see her and here, her side of things, how they're doing all the things, and I've asked her to come on multiple times, and she has had an excuse every single time as to why she can't.

[Nanny Pam]

I'm camera shy, and you know that, Savannah. I can't help it.

[Savannah]

Well, you got to get out of it.

[Nanny Pam]

I know. I know. With all my family being in acting and shows.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And then I'm. I'm the Lone ranger behind. But that's okay.

[Savannah]

See? Well, we're getting out of it, so bear with me. All right. You'll be fine. You'll be fine. Well, first off, look, I was going through. I had this drawer at my house. Hold on. Because these were ones that I had. Hold on. But there's, like, so many pictures in here. Look.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, my gosh.

[Savannah]

I know. Like mom and dad.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

Then there's me. Shocker.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Motorcycle. Yep.

[Savannah]

Like, all these photos I found.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, great.

[Savannah]

Yeah. I'm trying to see. There was, like, so many. Look at that.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. That was at granny's.

[Savannah]

Oh, my God. It's crazy, too, to see just, like, life, how it changed and the life we lived.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

Look at mom.

[Nanny Pam]

I know.

[Savannah]

She was so young. It is crazy to see just all these photos.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

I look.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

I was a cute kid. I was definitely the cutest kid. This is crazy to look back to at all these. Isn't that insane?

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nanny Pam]

I love looking at old pictures, though.

[Savannah]

I know.

[Nanny Pam]

Me, too. I could sit for hours looking at old pictures.

[Savannah]

Me, too.

[Nanny Pam]

And who was the picture maker? Savannah.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Well, you're in none of them. So it was you, right?

[Nanny Pam]

Exactly.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. You look back, I'm not in any of them. Really?

[Savannah]

No.

[Nanny Pam]

Because I was always snapping pictures.

[Savannah]

No, it's so crazy to look at. Just. I don't know, like, oh, my gosh, look, me and Granny.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. My 27 years ago.

[Savannah]

So that was my great grandmother.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

Yes.

[Nanny Pam]

My mother, Julie's grandmother. Your great grandmother.

[Savannah]

That is crazy. Oh, my gosh. This is. I haven't. I didn't even look through these. I just found them in my drawer.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Holy cow. All right. So growing Up. Nanny Mama.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, well, your mom was something else, I'm telling you. So she. Now, remember, I was a child having a child.

[Savannah]

Yeah, you were 18, right?

[Nanny Pam]

She was born when I was 18.

[Savannah]

And that was like a normal thing back then.

[Nanny Pam]

Your papa and I married when I was 16, almost 17. But we were. I was 16 when we married and turned 17. We got married in October. October 19th, 1971.

[Savannah]

That's crazy.

[Nanny Pam]

And I turned 17 November 27th. And.

[Savannah]

Why did y' all do that?

[Nanny Pam]

We were in love, Savannah, at 16.

[Savannah]

You don't even know what love is at 16.

[Nanny Pam]

We did. Or we thought we did. So.

[Savannah]

So y' all got married?

[Nanny Pam]

We got married.

[Savannah]

You were 17?

[Nanny Pam]

Yes, I was a senior in high school.

[Savannah]

And then.

[Nanny Pam]

So I went through the rest of high school. I laid out a whole week. When we got married, I laid out a week. We went to Atlanta.

[Savannah]

I laid out a week of high school.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, my God. I did. Yeah. And then I came back married, so I couldn't change my name or anything. So I graduated in May of 72. And the day I graduated, we had. We graduated on the football field, this high school football field. And I was out there, got sick, passed out on the football field.

[Savannah]

What?

[Nanny Pam]

Yes. And somebody. One of the football players picked me up. They took me to the doctor. I told them my doctor, and they just took me up to the office instead of the er. And that's when they examined me and said I was pregnant with Julie.

[Savannah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nanny Pam]

Six weeks pregnant in May at 17 or 18. I would have been 17.

[Savannah]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. And so I was in the doctor's office the rest of the day getting up IVs because I was dehydrated. That's why I passed out. And then graduation was that night, so I went to graduation. So she was at graduation with me.

[Savannah]

She was at graduation with you?

[Nanny Pam]

Yes, she was. So then I had a good pregnancy. Other than being sick as a dog for about four months. Other than that. Once I got over the sick morning sickness, then I was good to go.

[Savannah]

So then you had Mama?

[Nanny Pam]

I had your mama in January of 73.

[Savannah]

Okay. And then what were you doing, like, when you graduated high school?

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, I went to work.

[Savannah]

You worked at the bank, right?

[Nanny Pam]

No, no, that's way before I went to work at the bank. I worked at a little department store called Roses, and believe it or not, they put me in the. Oh, they had a candy counter where people. And this was way before your time, Savannah, but you used to buy your candy by the Bags. You had a scoop of Nanny. Yeah, they still have that, but I mean, not in a lot of stores or Fresh Market.

[Savannah]

In Fresh Market, I love going there. And I'll just pick out the colors I like.

[Nanny Pam]

So anyway, so I did the candy counter and I did the popcorn. Then they, they. They let me go because they moved me to the back to ship out damaged goods. And I couldn't lift all that stuff. And so they fired me because I was pregnant and I couldn't do it. So. Well, I didn't work the rest of the time.

[Savannah]

But that's part of it.

[Nanny Pam]

She was born.

[Savannah]

So she was born. And then how much. When was it that you got pregnant with Uncle Trey?

[Nanny Pam]

He was born in 76, so they're three years apart.

[Savannah]

Okay, so three years apart. And was like you. Did you always want two kids?

[Nanny Pam]

I wanted more than two kids. I wanted three. But after I got pregnant with Julie, I found out that I have Rh negative blood, which A positive, a negative, or with an Rh factor? So I had to have a. A shot that kind of knocks out the program part of it. Because your papa was O positive and I was negative. So then that was supposed to help with my next pregnancy. Yeah, so it did. But then they said usually if you have more than two children with that kind of blood, that negative and the positive, you could, you know, the risk there is higher to have something wrong with a child.

[Savannah]

I had no idea.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. So that's crazy. So we just opted not to have any more children.

[Savannah]

Yeah. And so then you had Uncle Trey.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And then growing up, what was it like for Mama?

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, she was so funny because she was really a daddy's girl. She wanted to be with Harvey all the time when he was home. And because he would ride her on the motorcycle, he would strap her to take a belt, strap her to the front, and they would go up to that.

[Savannah]

We had a sova.

[Nanny Pam]

I know. And they would ride the motorcycle. And she was always begging to go ride the motorcycle, but I went to work. When she was seven weeks old, I went to work. And so Granny kept my mom. We always call my mom Granny. So everybody calls her Granny.

[Savannah]

Literally everybody.

[Nanny Pam]

And so she kept Julie and Trey their entire lives. Took them to school, picked them up. You know, she did everything for them. So that's why Julie always had a real special relationship with Granny, because she was over there more than she was really at home growing up.

[Savannah]

Well, we would always go to Granny's for holidays, like as kids. Everything.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

So then you and Papa Were working.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Papa was doing stuff with churches here, there, everywhere around the freaking country. And so. Which I didn't know, but he had said something about dragging Mama to Kansas City.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. When she was.

[Savannah]

She was miserable.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And begged to go back home.

[Nanny Pam]

Trey was 10. Julie was 13 when we left to go to Kansas City, Missouri, to. For him to go to school at Midwestern. And she did real good. She didn't want to leave. She cried when we left. Well, we all out. We all cried when we left. But anyway, it was snowing when we got there. 50 below zero. Cold as everything. Still had to go to school. She had to drive. Ride the school bus to school. And it was so funny because she came home one day, she had a little pocketbook, and she came home one day and she was crying. And I said, what's wrong, honey? And she said, they made fun of me on the bus because I said, pocketbook. So. Well, it is a pocketbook. And she said, no, they call it purses here. And I said, I'll just tell them it's a pocketbook and keep on going. Don't worry about what people say. And so it was. You know, she didn't like it. But. So anyway, I talked to mom, and I said, julie's really having a hard time. And I told Harvey, I said, let's just send her back home. Because we had decided, or Harvey had decided he was only going to stay one semester because the weather was horrible. And so we put her on a plane, sent her home, and she stayed at Mom's until we. That was probably in February. We moved in November, and it was probably in February when we sent her home. And then we came home in probably May when school was out. When the semester was over, we came home in May. And then Harvey decided that we were going to go to North Carolina. That would be a better move for us to go to North Carolina. So we went to North Carolina the next year. And she did real. She did well there. She did well. She did good there. And so.

[Savannah]

And so then. When did y' all come back?

[Nanny Pam]

We came back in 87.

[Savannah]

So how old was she?

[Nanny Pam]

She was probably 15. Close to 15.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Nanny Pam]

When she came back.

[Savannah]

And then through her high school years.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, all of that.

[Savannah]

How was she?

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, she was just a regular teenager. She loved. Oh, gosh. She would always come home. And we would have to color her hair. We had to color her hair. She's been green, she's been brown. She's been blonde. She's been black. It's been all colors because we would just buy something off the shelf and you know, Clairol, whatever and it would turn out a different color every time.

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[Nanny Pam]

She was. She was good. She loved. She loved school. I mean, she loved going to school. She never had a problem going to school.

[Savannah]

But then her.

[Nanny Pam]

Who was her best friend? Melissa. Yeah, her best friend.

[Savannah]

Dinner with her.

[Nanny Pam]

Are you? Yeah. Oh, good.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I'm having dinner with her because she messaged me on Instagram.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, they still are best friends.

[Savannah]

Yeah. So. But daddy never liked her. So Daddy never liked Melissa.

[Nanny Pam]

I know.

[Savannah]

No, daddy never liked her. Yeah, daddy never liked her. But she's the one who nailed mama's ear to the door.

[Nanny Pam]

I would. Piercing her ear.

[Savannah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nailed her ear to the door because mama wanted her ears pierced. They said they'd just do it at home. And she said, put your ear against the door and with a needle and literally like nailed it to the door.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, Lord.

[Savannah]

Yeah. So mama had like a rebellion to her.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Little. She didn't have a lot, but I could always tell when she was lying. And I always caught up with her. She always. She cannot lie. She cannot lie. And I can't lie either. But whenever she would say she was gonna go somewhere and I'd say, where are you going now? Where are you gonna be? No, you're not. I called her several times. Ask her, ask her when she. Next time she's on the podcast. Cause I did catch her several times and I would go get her, take her home.

[Savannah]

Stop.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

Well, because then. So when.

[Nanny Pam]

But when she was a teenager, she wanted to go to work. When she turned 15, she got her license.

[Savannah]

Where'd she.

[Nanny Pam]

What do you mean?

[Savannah]

She got her license?

[Nanny Pam]

She got her permit and she could drive. And so we got her a little car and it was a little yellow something and they called it yellow star.

[Savannah]

She said it was awful. It didn't have air, she wasn't gonna drive it.

[Nanny Pam]

And. And so Harvey said, well, you can drive it or sit at home, whichever one you want to do. So she said, okay, I'll drive it. And I believe it was a three speed or four speed. I can't remember because we all grew up. I grew up driving a three speed and a four speed. So we always taught her and A to drive whatever was in the yard.

[Savannah]

They could all drive when she was she. That car.

[Nanny Pam]

But let me tell you about the her, she wanted to go. She went to Walmart and she applied for a job and they, she got a pharmacy tech job and they loved her there. They loved her. And so then in the hard work, she always has been a hard worker. So then she wanted to be a lifeguard. So we had several resorts there in our little town.

[Savannah]

Nanny, y' all didn't have no damn resort. Yeah, we did Town. No, you did not. We did Nanny and Seneca, South Carolina, y' all did not have a resort.

[Nanny Pam]

Mountain Bay Estate was the resort she worked at. Mountain Bay Resort, that's like. Well, they had a swimming pool. So that's where she went to work.

[Savannah]

That. Well, that's. Just because they got a swimming pool doesn't mean it's a resort. The Motel 8's got a swimming pool. Is that a resort?

[Nanny Pam]

No, thank you. But anyway, that's where she went to work and she had to go down and she had to get her. Her lifeguarding. And so the guy told her, he said, mostly we have guys down here because she's got a pool, like a 200 pound guy out of the pool. And Julie said, well, I can do that.

[Savannah]

You don't think I can not do that.

[Nanny Pam]

Well, and she was tiny, so yeah, she was. But she pulled that guy out of that pool.

[Savannah]

Stop.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes, she did. So she lifeguarded on the weekends and worked at Walmart while she was in high school. And.

[Savannah]

And then when. Because a lot of people don't know, but obviously we've seen how there's been tabloids written and there's been this, that, whatever. And somebody wrote something about mom being married before, you know, and it's something that mom has never, she's never spoken about because she's like, I was 18. I was, you know, like it was a learning lesson.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

But other people are going to try to tell her story for.

[Nanny Pam]

Right.

[Savannah]

Which they've tried to with all these tabloids and whatever else.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And so what was the story behind that?

[Nanny Pam]

Well, you know what, I think it was a young love. She was 18. She thought, I can, I'm grown, I can do what I want to do. And she popped that on us probably about two weeks. But we pulled a wedding together at the church. She got married in the church. We had a reception, everything. But you know, it's just one of those things that just didn't work out. But, you know, that's her story. To tell. And that's what I want. I'm not gonna put it.

[Savannah]

But what I don't ever want is people to think that we're ashamed of it.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Or were embarrassed by it.

[Nanny Pam]

No, I'm not ashamed or embarrassed by it. You know, it just was one of those.

[Savannah]

Well, see that.

[Nanny Pam]

Life journeys that when you. You can make mistakes, but then, you know, you. You go on and live from those. And how long did it last? Four years. Really?

[Savannah]

I didn't know it was that long.

[Nanny Pam]

Four years? Really?

[Savannah]

Well, I. Cause Mama told me. She said when I turned 18, I want. If I wanted to do what I wanted to do, then I had enough respect for my mama and daddy to not do it in their house. So I left.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep.

[Savannah]

And that's why when I dated somebody back in the day, so I'm not gonna say their name. So it's just not like we were kids, too. Mama was so afraid that I was going to repeat the same thing that she had done.

[Nanny Pam]

Right.

[Savannah]

Because she's like, you're 18, you think you're invincible. You're on top of the world. You're in love, this, that, whatever. But it may not be the best thing for you.

[Nanny Pam]

Right.

[Savannah]

And so. But mama has always said, like. Which is actually really weird because of now, how, like, life has gone. How, like. Like how our lives are in such parallel. Like, even with, like, me dating Robert and he had kids, and there's just so many things that mama and I's lives are, like, very similar.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

But she's always said she's like, I live vicariously through you. Like, that's something she's just always said. And so she just doesn't want me making the same mistakes that she's made or whatever it may be. But when that article came out about it, it pissed me off because we know exactly who it came from, number one. People who say their family, that really, they're. They're not. And it's just, like, why. You know what I mean? Like, that's.

[Nanny Pam]

Why do you have to bring up past experiences that, you know, you're probably not proud of? But it happened as part of life's journey. But it doesn't have to be be broadcasted.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Yeah. But unfortunately, with our life, it does. I just wish mama could have been.

[Nanny Pam]

The one to have told the story.

[Savannah]

To have told the story.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. And that's what I say, you know, if. If. If she wants to tell a story about what happened, then that's her story to tell, not my story to tell.

[Savannah]

Mm. And then how would you say you've dealt with the tabloids and the things that have been written and.

[Nanny Pam]

I don't read the tabloids, really. I don't buy those magazines, so I don't really read them. Most of it is 99.9% a lie.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

They pick and choose what they want to put out there. And, you know, it's sad, but that's how they make their money.

[Savannah]

Mm. Yeah. So, all right. So with mama, and then when she met Daddy.

[Nanny Pam]

Mm.

[Savannah]

So y' all didn't like him? Y' all didn't want her with him?

[Nanny Pam]

No, we didn't.

[Savannah]

So tell that story, please.

[Nanny Pam]

Well, it wasn't. We didn't want her with him. It was just he was so different than anybody she had ever dated, because through high school, she dated football players. They were all sports crazy, and she was sports crazy. And Todd, you know, bless his heart, he didn't care anything about sports. He cared about looking good.

[Savannah]

Well, there was that one Ev dated in high school that I met, like, as a kid. I will never forget, at that damn produce stand, big as a frickin. I can't. I'm happy my daddy's who my daddy is. I'm happy none of that worked out, but. So y' all.

[Nanny Pam]

Y' all didn't like him, But I liked him. I knew your daddy way before he knew your mama.

[Savannah]

Because the bank.

[Nanny Pam]

Because I worked at the bank, the local bank. And he would come by the bank every Thursday morning to cash his check, because that was before direct deposit and all this stuff that they have now. And so. And we just always laughed and cut up and, you know, talked to each other. And I. I knew your nanny, Faye and Papa Jean. They'd come in, you know, but they were just customers.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

You know, and so when she. The story was that. And then she went to work at a local bank in another little town about seven miles from where I was. And it was a local bank owned by locals, and their sons worked there. And it was your dad's best friend, Bill.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

That introduced them. And so when we met Todd, it was like he couldn't believe that Julie was my daughter because, you know, I had no reason to talk to him about my children.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

So he didn't even know that we were even.

[Savannah]

No, he didn't, because daddy told me that he had said that he was dating somebody. You asked how he was or something, and the kids. And he had said he was dating somebody. And you said, who? And he said, oh, her name's Julie. Mm. And that's how you found out they were dating?

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Yeah, because Julie never told me.

[Savannah]

Yeah, so. So, yeah, then. But who was it? Was it Papa really that didn't like Daddy?

[Nanny Pam]

Well, he didn't. It wasn't. He really didn't like him. It was just. He was so different, you know, about. You know, he didn't know anything about sports. He didn't know anything about cars. So it was like Julie's grown up around cars and hot rods and, you know, all that stuff all her life, and to bring somebody home, that was completely opposite. That was hard.

[Savannah]

Well, yeah, because. Probably because she wanted to run from all the shit she grew up with.

[Nanny Pam]

Well, maybe so. Who knows? Who knows?

[Savannah]

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[Nanny Pam]

Let's see. 95.

[Savannah]

Okay, so. And then what was Yalls reaction? When. How did she tell y' all that she was pregnant and with Chase?

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, she had left. And she had left him and had come back home.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And she was living at home with us.

[Savannah]

So she was living at home with y' all. And then when. But when she got pregnant, how did she tell y' all?

[Nanny Pam]

She just broke down and told us one night.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Nanny Pam]

And it was like, no way. But, you know, we just embraced it. We said, honey, we're here for you. You can stay here. You know, we'll do whatever we can do to, you know, with the baby, whatever, you know, because at that point, you know, they weren't. They weren't married.

[Savannah]

No.

[Nanny Pam]

I didn't know if she was going to marry him or not.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

But I wanted her to know that she had her mom and dad support through the whole process, regardless of what happened.

[Savannah]

Well. And then they ended up getting married May 25th.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

And Chase was born June 1st.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

So she was, like, pregnant pregnant when they got married.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

Well, she wasn't even that big, so.

[Nanny Pam]

And it was. They had a beautiful little wedding that your dad planned. He planned the whole thing. Your mom didn't do a thing. That's awesome. He. It was in Greenville, South Carolina, and it was in. At a house, and it had a courtyard, and he had somebody there playing the harp, and all the chairs were set out, flowers. I mean, it was. I mean, it was really a nice wedding.

[Savannah]

Especially for that time.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Especially for that time. And then they had Chase.

[Nanny Pam]

And then.

[Savannah]

I guess five months later.

[Nanny Pam]

They moved to Anderson. They bought their first house. We had land there in Crossroads. And so we gave them two acres of land. And they didn't want it. They wanted it, but they said they'd never lived there. So we said, we're giving this to you. There's no stipulations. You do what you want to with it. So they sold it to the neighbor that lived next door. He wanted to buy it to put his cows on. And so that's how they got the money to pay down to buy their first house.

[Savannah]

Okay.

[Nanny Pam]

Was from the land that we gave them. And they bought a cute little house in Anderson that had a pool. And so, of course. What did your daddy do? The first thing. What do you think he did?

[Savannah]

Start tearing out stuff.

[Nanny Pam]

Started tearing out stuff. Replacing the floors, tearing out wallpaper, Putting up new wallpaper. And then they had a pool. And so Harvey was scared to death that Chase is going to get in the pool and drown. So he took him to the YMCA in Anderson. And I think he was 16, 17 months old. And he learned. That's when he learned to swim. And the hardest thing that they had to do was he had to drop him in the water.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And he had to swim across the pool. Yeah, but he did that.

[Savannah]

No, of course he did that for Chase. It doesn't shock me. If it has to Chase, he's gonna do it.

[Nanny Pam]

So then.

[Savannah]

Then five months later, she's pregnant again.

[Nanny Pam]

Pregnant again with you. So then she was born, and.

[Savannah]

And I was born at the same hospital as Mama, I'm the only kid that was born in the same hospital.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Yep.

[Nanny Pam]

And Seneca.

[Savannah]

So then I was born.

[Nanny Pam]

Mm.

[Savannah]

And what was. Where were they at that, like, we were obviously in South Carolina.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

When did we move?

[Nanny Pam]

Anderson. We're still in Anderson. They moved to another house in Anderson after you were born. They moved to another house in Anderson. And then I guess probably a couple of years.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Because, like, I don't ever remember.

[Nanny Pam]

They came to church, you know, they came. You. Julie was. And Todd and Chase, and you were at church. You were seven weeks old.

[Savannah]

That's crazy.

[Nanny Pam]

And I took. You probably don't even remember, you know, I know you don't remember it, but you've probably been told. But I. Papa and I took you and Chase to Gatlinburg, and you were just. I don't think you were. But just a couple of months old.

[Savannah]

Really.

[Nanny Pam]

Yep. Went to Gatlinburg and Style or Pigeon Forge and stayed and just. I was different places.

[Savannah]

I was a pretty baby. Chase looked like a monkey. Chase was not cute.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, Savannah. You both were cute.

[Savannah]

Chase was not a cute baby. But then he, like, got. Like when he first. First came out, he was not cute. And then he got cute when his hair turned blonde. And, you know, he came out with a head full of hair.

[Nanny Pam]

But y' all loved each other. Y' all played together so good when y' all were little.

[Savannah]

We fought like cats and dogs.

[Nanny Pam]

No, you did not. When you were, like, he was one. You were two. I mean, two and three.

[Savannah]

As we got older, we fought like cats and dogs. And he would always torture me and shoot me with airsoft guns and throw rocks in front of my bike and let me flip and, you know, he would torture me. He would. You don't remember that picture we've got of my eye to where there's a huge scab right here because he, I think, threw a rock at my face. Yeah. He tortured me.

[Nanny Pam]

And then y' all moved to Atlanta. You don't. You probably don't remember, but we came. I would get off work at 6 o' clock because we. We were open till 6. Your papa would pick me up at 6 o' clock. We would head to Atlanta. And your mom would have y' all stuff ready, and y' all would come back to the house and stay, and y' all would always go to church. Y' all went to church with us every Sunday morning. Sunday night. And then we got finished with church on Sunday night. We brought y' all back.

[Savannah]

Yeah. But also too, like. But then the Older I got, the more I stayed with Nanny and Papa. And Chase stayed with y' all.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Yeah. Then you started wanting to go up to Nanny and Papa's, and Chase wanted to stay with us. So we would come and get y' all, and we would take you by your nanny and papas, drop you off, and Chase would go with us, and then we'd come back.

[Savannah]

Because I was always their favorite. And he was always your favorite.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Yeah, you were always.

[Savannah]

No, you're supposed to say, no, that's not true.

[Nanny Pam]

Oh, I thought you were talking about your nanny Faye and them. Your papa Gene was. You were your Papa Jean's favorite.

[Savannah]

Oh, I was.

[Nanny Pam]

And Chase was Papa Harvey's favorite.

[Savannah]

Yes. 100%.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. But no, I think that I have always tried my best to treat y' all equally. All my grandkids.

[Savannah]

Yeah, you have, but you let Papa influence you too much.

[Nanny Pam]

Well, I don't. I don't. I'm gonna do what I want to treat my grandkids like I wanted.

[Savannah]

Literally. Papa Jean and I would get on that lawnmower. He had this big orange lawnmower. And remember, we'd ride it down the sidewalk to that corner store. Yeah, that was. Dear God, we sound so just backwoods when we talk about riding a lawnmower to the country store.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

I cannot. And then I would catch. Remember Papa Jean would take me to catch fish?

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

With. Was it with Smokey?

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, I think so.

[Savannah]

And I'd bring them back, and I'd put them in the bathtub.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And just watch them swim and. Till I got bored. I don't know. Like, when you look at how much life has changed, like, my kids would never be catching fish and putting them in my bathtub. No, thank you. Like, that is the nastiest thing in the world.

[Nanny Pam]

But y' all lived really normal lives at that time.

[Savannah]

We did.

[Nanny Pam]

Y' all lived the normal, just everyday life of what, the way kids grew up.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I think. But, like, kids don't grow up that way anymore.

[Nanny Pam]

No, they don't, because y' all didn't have cell phones. You know, y' all didn't have computers. We did if, you know, we could sit down at the table and eat and talk.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

Everybody wasn't texting and on their phones like they are now. You can never get together with your family now that they're. They don't have a cell phone in their hand and they're answering it or they're texting the entire time. And that's sad, because, I mean, people Bring their kids in the store. They've always got a cell phone, watching a movie, or they got their little iPads thing going on or whatever. So, you know, it's a lot.

[Savannah]

It's a lot.

[Nanny Pam]

It's a lot. It changed.

[Savannah]

And so then, obviously, life changed a lot because mom and dad hustled, they worked. They built a gorgeous life for us.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Like, I mean, we had the best education we had.

[Nanny Pam]

You remember going to California? When we went to California and Papa and I went with y' all, like, we.

[Savannah]

We just did.

[Nanny Pam]

So you were probably, what, six?

[Savannah]

Yeah, I was young.

[Nanny Pam]

Cause you were kindergarten.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I was young. I really don't remember much, but the two things I do remember were super traumatic. When there was the dead bird on our front porch.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

You remember that. And then when I got food poisoning from eating popcorn shrimp in the cafeteria at school. So that's why I will never eat it ever again in my entire life. It's the only things I remember about being in California then.

[Nanny Pam]

Do you. You don't remember doing the pumpkins? Everybody carved their pumpkin.

[Savannah]

Oh, yeah. And then whenever dumbass threw them down the hill, and dad made him go get them and was like, no, that's not where it goes. You don't just throw it.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, yeah, I got pictures. There's pictures somewhere.

[Savannah]

And during that time, we grew up next to Wayne Gretzky and his kids, and we would all be outside riding bikes, playing. And you remember I had. Dad would always put me in those parachute pants.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

That had the ties at the bottom.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. And they got stuck on your bicycle?

[Savannah]

On my bicycle. And y' all had to come outside, and I had to take. All the kids are out there. And I had to take off my pants because they were stuck in the bicycle.

[Nanny Pam]

In the bicycle. Brakes.

[Savannah]

Traumatic experiences from a very young age. So we lived in California then.

[Nanny Pam]

So then that's when we moved back a year before y' all did.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And we bought our house on Boone Court.

[Savannah]

Yep.

[Nanny Pam]

And then y' all moved back, and that's when y' all moved to Roswell.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And had the house there.

[Savannah]

Yeah. So then, like, I mean, we lived. To me, it was a normal life, but that was not normal. Just, like, we grew up very privileged. I really don't ever remember a time to, like, mom and dad not having money. Like, I don't remember it.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, well, there was a time that they didn't.

[Savannah]

Well, yeah, there was a time they were washing dishes and bathtubs and. Because they were redoing a house. So they could turn around and sell it. And so there was a time they definitely didn't, but I don't ever remember it. And I think probably that's just them being the parents that they are.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Of. They felt it, but we never would.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, exactly.

[Savannah]

And then obviously, everything kind of went up in smoke. You worked for dad at a point in time.

[Nanny Pam]

Yes.

[Savannah]

And you warned him about Mark.

[Nanny Pam]

I did.

[Savannah]

You warned him because you saw stuff and you were like, something's not adding up. And that's why Mark wanted you gone from the business.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. And I was the first one to get laid off because they had a big layoff. I was only there three months, but I saw it from day one. And so I was like, you better open your eyes, and you better start looking.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

That's all I'm gonna say. Open your eyes and you better start looking. And quit trusting people so much. Cause that was one of the whole problems, is that he trusted him 110%.

[Savannah]

Well, yeah. If they would have died, he would have gotten custody of us.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Like, that's literally how it was in their paperwork.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Which is scary.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. But. But, yeah, they had a big layoff, and I got laid off. So that's when I went back to the bank because the bank that I worked for closed. It was the first bank in Georgia to fail. And then another bank took us over, and I just. I didn't like working for that bank. So.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

He said, come work for me.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

But it didn't work out because they wouldn't train me on the things that.

[Savannah]

You needed to be trained on because Mark didn't want you to be able to have access.

[Nanny Pam]

And he knew, working in the banking industry, I was good with numbers and I was good with discrepancies and all that. So I never got the opportunity to do it.

[Savannah]

But that's insane. So you saw it and then. So I guess, like, fast forward, obviously, everybody knows about all the legal stuff, but mom going to prison. What was that like for you?

[Nanny Pam]

That was the second most heartbreaking thing in my life. Losing Trey was the first. And then.

[Savannah]

And what year Was that, Trey?

[Nanny Pam]

2002. May 6th. May is not a good year for me. A good month for me. I hate May. I'm hoping that that's going to change around and there's something going to happen really good in May. I don't know that, but I keep praying for. For it, but, you know, I don't know, but my dad died, you know, six days between Trey and he. My Trey died on the 6th. My dad died on the 12th on Mother's Day. You remember that?

[Savannah]

Of the same year.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

So I remember. Like, you were.

[Nanny Pam]

You would have been five.

[Savannah]

So I remember Uncle Trey's. That there was a service or something out, like in the yard, wasn't there? Like, didn't y' all do something out in the yard? Like a.

[Nanny Pam]

We had. I did a little picnic for the kids. Remember Austin came.

[Savannah]

Yeah, I remember.

[Nanny Pam]

Like, I remember we were sitting out on that little patio and put a blanket down and y' all, we had food and y' all were eating.

[Savannah]

Yeah. So I remember that.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

And then when.

[Nanny Pam]

That. The funeral was at the funeral home.

[Savannah]

Yeah, but I just remember. I'm just saying, like around all that, I don't remember a lot.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

But I also remember when your dad died, I remember going to Granny's house and there was ambulance and everything there.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, it was. He had a massive stroke. Six days. It was Mother's Day, the 12th, and he. He was brain dead. So we had to make the decision to take him off the life supports because they had put him on life supports when they got him to the emergency room. And so, you know, that was. You know, people say, and I've always said, God never puts more on you and you can stand. But I was like, God, where are you during this time? Because, you know, how can somebody go through all this? Because we were so devastated with Trey's death. And then, you know, dad was okay. There was nothing. On Saturday night, he was. They were spending the night at my. Well, they didn't spend the night, but they were at my sister's that night. And he was fine. And he was fine. He was eating chocolate ice cream at 10 o' clock. And by 1 o' clock, he had a massive stroke and was brain dead.

[Savannah]

So obviously Uncle Trey passed away. I don't know how any parent gets.

[Nanny Pam]

Through that, but they never, they never do. They never recover from it. It's something that's always going to be there. You don't recover from that.

[Savannah]

How old was Uncle Trey?

[Nanny Pam]

25.

[Savannah]

25.

[Nanny Pam]

And my dad was 85.

[Savannah]

That's weird. So, yeah, that happened. And then mom goes to prison and you've. I've heard you compare it. It's like you've lost. You've already lost a child and this was like a second.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah, it was. It's like a loss. And it's like, you know, you're in prison too, because, you know, Julie and I, we may not have seen each other every day, but we talk to each other at least three or four or five times a day. That was me and mom, you know, we always. And I always knew she was there. She had my back. She was always doing stuff for me, sending me stuff. And it was like, what am I going to do without her?

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And I had never been faced with anything like this. And they hadn't either, because none. They had never been in any kind of trouble. Julie. Her whole life had never been any kind of trouble, as far as I know. Your dad had never been any kind of trouble. No.

[Savannah]

Dad just punched somebody one time because he spit in his face, but that was it.

[Nanny Pam]

But it's like, you know, how are we as a family going to get through all this? You know, I mean, we had just moved to Nashville and we moved in November of 21.

[Savannah]

Yeah. And no one ever expected it to go the way that it went.

[Nanny Pam]

No, no. And with the evidence that was even presented, you wonder how. And I wasn't there during the trial at all. We didn't come. Your mom didn't want us to. And I think she was just shielding us from media. Media embarrassment or whatever you want to call it. But she. She said, there's. Don't come, mama, don't come. And so we didn't. We honored that. And. But from everything that I've heard and from y' all talking and everything, is that the evidence that was presented, if they had any. Well, you've kind of jurors on there that was listening, but I think. I'm sorry, I just want to say it's more con. It was so complicated for them. They didn't understand. No, they didn't.

[Savannah]

Because how is an 18 year old pregnant college student going to understand bank fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy, tax evasion, all the. Yeah, they're not.

[Nanny Pam]

They're not.

[Savannah]

And this 18 year old pregnant college student literally had the nerve to say, oh, they're guilty. I need to get home to my baby shower. This is the rest of someone's life.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

That you're deciding so that I think these jurors and jury selection and people are like, oh, you could have x'd them out. You could have done this. You could have. We did. But you only have a certain amount of individuals that you can do that to. And so obviously you're gonna do it to the ones that say, oh, if they're guilty, they get the death penalty. And you're like, what? Someone literally said that during jury selection. And we're like, all right, you're gone. Like.

[Nanny Pam]

And I thought that When a jury was picked, that it was your peers, that it was under the same kind of. And it should scrutiny that. You know, but it's not. They knew what was going on.

[Savannah]

No. You know, and so, yeah, the whole thing was crazy. And like I've said, with the bank fraud, like you. Like I said, you worked at a bank. If you're saying someone did this, show us the loan documents. Where were they? Yeah, they never showed a single loan document. It's just crazy.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

But with mom being gone, y' all.

[Nanny Pam]

Have gone and visited over over a hundred times. We've gone.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

Because the first year, we went every single weekend.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Because she had unlimited.

[Nanny Pam]

Unlimited visits. And then so we would go because it was close for us to go. We could go in one day and come back, and that's what we did. And. But it was so. I mean, I just cried the first time I went there, because I'm going to tell you what that prison reminded me of. When. When I was a little girl, at the police station, there was a set of steps that goes down, just like at your mom's prison, little steps that go down. And that's where the place that we went and got our shots when we were growing up, we would go down and. Well, it was a. I can't even think of the name of it, what it is, but it was, like, where people went to get all their shots and stuff. At that time, there was a nurse that worked down there, but it was just a facility down in the basement of the police station. And that's exactly what that reminded me of. Going down those steps to visit Julie reminded me of when we used to go down those steps and mom was taking us to get our vaccines and stuff. But I was so impressed how your mom has handled this whole two and a half years. She's just been resilient. She has stayed positive. She stayed focused, even though I know her heart's been breaking because of all the things that she's missed with you guys. Grayson's 16th. He was 16 when she left, and now he's getting ready to turn 19. That's crazy. You know, and the things that y' all have gone through, you know, with Nick and with all, you know, the losses and stuff that have happened, you know, during the two and a half.

[Savannah]

Years with the Nick thing, and then when Robert and I broke up and when Mama's like, I just want to be there. I want to.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Just through all of it, and she can't.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

She wasn't at Grayson's graduation. She wasn't at, you know.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Grayson going to college.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

You know, and the. You know, the sad part about that is you can never get those things back. They're gone. They're in the past.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

And that's why I think we have to, as a family, pull together, forgive, and try to move forward. And because we're only, you know, we're not promised tomorrow, and nothing we can do about yesterday, and we can only live for today. So we need to do the best job that we can, living for today and keeping our faith and trusting in God. Because I will have to say that through my faith in God and him, I know being by my side through all of this is the only way I have stayed sane and been able to move forward.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

Because it's been a lot. It's been a lot. And, you know, Harvey and I are old. I mean, we're. I'm 70. He's almost 75. You know, we've lived over most of our life. I mean, hopefully we got another maybe 10 years to go or so. But, you know, you didn't. You never know. Well, no, you never know. Yeah, I mean, all the things that Harvey went through last year, you know, with the. The heart, the stance, the knee surgery, you know, in and out of the hospital with, you know, the breathing and all this stuff, you know, you just don't ever know when today's gonna be your last day. Harvey had a really good friend up in South Carolina, and we saw him when we were there just a month ago, and he died last week.

[Savannah]

Yeah.

[Nanny Pam]

So you didn't. You never know. You just. I just want my family to be ready when it's their time, because we never know what time when God's gonna call us home. And so, I mean, I agree with.

[Savannah]

That, but I also. We know my viewpoint. Just cause you, my family, if you act a fool, that doesn't mean I have to get along with you or be family with you. You all don't agree with that, but that's my viewpoint.

[Nanny Pam]

Well, sometimes you have to love from a distance, Savannah. And if that's how you can do it right now, is love from a distance, then do that. But I think when your mom and dad get home, that there's gonna be a coming together of the family. And I.

[Savannah]

There's gonna be a lot of stuff that happens, because when they come home, I have already told them that over the past two and a half years. I figured it out. So if they come home thinking they're gonna rescue individuals and act like nothing's happened, then I'm out. I have told them that. And mama has said, well, that's not happening.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

So I'm not. And I said, if we're gonna actually all come back together, there needs to be an intensive week long therapy that we all go to and hash everything out.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Because that's the only way that anything's gonna be resolved.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

Literally.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Well, that's what I hope and pray for that.

[Savannah]

Well, we gonna hope and pray. You've always been the one that just. Oh, we're just gonna live, you know, with a smile and everything's gonna be.

[Nanny Pam]

Good and dandy and, you know, I have to. Savannah, that's just me.

[Savannah]

Before we wrap, I'm gonna see questions. How do you find your faith while feeling lost?

[Nanny Pam]

I think that comes through prayer, through reading the Bible. I have a lot of. I have a. A lot of friends in South Carolina that have been major, major supporters of me. They've called, they've checked on me, they've texted me every day. When we go up there. We usually visit most of them or try to visit most of them. And that is, they have given me a source of strength because I really don't have any friends up here other than I have some special co workers that I work with and they've been for me and they have prayed for me and I couldn't have gone to work at a better place to have the group of friends that I have.

[Savannah]

Yeah. Best tip for guiding adult kids on hard decisions.

[Nanny Pam]

Again.

[Savannah]

You're not really good at this.

[Nanny Pam]

I'm not good at this. No.

[Savannah]

No. Because you're just all about letting people be happy and live their life, how they want to live it, and you don't ever have an opinion about it. Yeah, but why is that?

[Nanny Pam]

I just, I. I just, I've always just. It's all going to work out. I just feel like it's all going to work out. And I've always tried to lead by example. I hope I have been a good example of a grandmother to you as you grew up, as a child, as a teenager, as, you know, a young adult. I hope you could always come back and say, you know, that I was. That I had a good influence on you.

[Savannah]

Yeah, well, yeah, you have. You've always been like the sweet and kind and just soft spoken. But there are times that I'm like, I wish she'd have a voice.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's probably a flaw that I have.

[Savannah]

Do you think it's. Why do you think that is so.

[Nanny Pam]

I think it's just the generation that I grew up in and the way I grew up.

[Savannah]

That's what I was gonna say.

[Nanny Pam]

I mean, I think it's just the times and the way that I grew up and.

[Savannah]

Because now it's like women are to have a voice. Women can do what a man can do. But it was not that way.

[Nanny Pam]

Not that way. No, not. Not in my generation. You were quiet. I mean, you, the husband, pretty much did everything.

[Savannah]

I would not have survived back then.

[Nanny Pam]

No, you wouldn't have. So that was good that you weren't born back.

[Savannah]

Thank God. Thank God. I would not have survived because I would have told so many people.

[Nanny Pam]

But no. Remember, though, if you had been born back in that time, you would have been more like me.

[Savannah]

I'm happy I was born when I was born. I'll take it.

[Nanny Pam]

Okay.

[Savannah]

All right. So. Well, you finally came on.

[Nanny Pam]

Yeah.

[Savannah]

See, you're not as camera shy anymore.

[Nanny Pam]

I know. I enjoyed it. Thank you for keep on keeping on and asking me to come, so.

[Savannah]

Well, I love you.

[Nanny Pam]

I love you too.

[Savannah]

I'm Stassi Schroeder.

[Nanny Pam]

And honestly, you never know who or what you might hear on my podcast.

[Savannah]

Stassi, because, well, I'm a little cray cray.

[Nanny Pam]

One of the ways, you know you.

[Savannah]

Have grown is when you come to the realization that Carrie Bradshaw is kind.

[Nanny Pam]

Of the worst person.

[Savannah]

I've had to explain to her that the first fireplace grows so that Santa can fit in it. Now she's gonna be like, well, there is no fireplace and we're in this hotel and I'm gonna have to explain her.

[Nanny Pam]

I don't know.

[Savannah]

He gets a hotel room key. Like all these things that you have to come up with, it's just kind of crazy. Should I bring a whistle to wherever I go? Do you think that that would be.

[Nanny Pam]

The thing to break the ice?

[Savannah]

Whistle.

[Nanny Pam]

Listen up.

[Savannah]

Every single one of us here is feeling some level of social anxiety, so let's gently get on with it. Okay? Take a breath.

[Nanny Pam]

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