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Introduction (0:00:00). Justin is in a great mood, and Spencer is still in India.

Chatting with the Authors (0:08:59). Denver's Judge Madden, Stetson's Bobbie Flowers, and Fordham's Adam Shlahet talk about the first-ever NTC Nationals criminal case written by coaches. They discuss how they created the music, whether the case is too political, and why they gave the State a rebuttal witness.

NTC Nationals Predictions Contest (0:39:53). Texas's Mike Golden and South Carolina's Brett Bayne predict who will win in Dallas, debate whether birds are real, and discuss whether it's unprofessional to bet on the professionalism award.

Main Interview: Craig Roen (1:01:33). Minnesota's coach and director explains how he won more than a billion dollars in verdicts and settlements, how "the universe" talked him into retiring from practice, and how he got "snookered" into coaching mock trial.

Mailbag Question (1:28:38). What advice do you have for an experienced trial lawyer who's teaching trial advocacy for the first time?

Bonus! (1:34:30). The first public release of a prior (NSFW) version of Chris Luddock's "Get Out the Way."