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What if the key to navigating change isn't a better strategy — it's a better relationship with change itself?

In this episode, host Sarah Nicastro sits down with Sarah Aviram — keynote speaker, leadership coach, and author of The Scenic Route — to explore why organizational change so often stalls, and what leaders can do differently.

Drawing on her remarkable year working across 12 countries in 12 months, Sarah shares the personal stories and practical frameworks that have helped thousands of leaders move through transformation with more confidence, clarity, and resilience.

The conversation covers the six core drivers of human motivation, why storytelling connects where case studies fall flat, and what a Buddhist monk, a flamenco dancer, and a group of performers in Thailand can teach us about identity and change. There's also a beautiful moment around the Portuguese concept of saudade — and why making peace with impermanence might be one of the most underrated leadership skills there is.

If you're leading a team through uncertainty, or simply trying to find your footing when change feels relentless — this one's worth your time.