The Baby-Sitters Club (with Rob Anderson)

Summary

Unspooled Podcast: The Baby-Sitters Club (with Rob Anderson)

Hosts: Paul Scheer (comedy actor/writer), Guest: Rob Anderson (comedian & internet personality)
Date: May 28, 2026

Episode Overview

In this special "dealer's choice" episode of Unspooled, while co-host Amy Nicholson attends Cannes, Paul Scheer welcomes comedian Rob Anderson to dig deep into 1995’s The Baby-Sitters Club, a heartfelt adaptation of the beloved Ann M. Martin book series. Together, they examine the film’s honest depiction of girlhood, friendship, and surprisingly complex small-town stakes, discuss how the film addresses issues mainstream movies often ignored, and explore its unique place in '90s film culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Why The Baby-Sitters Club?

• Personal Zeitgeist Movie: Rob Anderson describes it as his “personal zeitgeist movie,” watched so many times as a kid that “the tracking started to show” on his VHS copy. He highlights its authentic “girlhood aspect…you know, the girls are there for you kind of vibe.” (04:07)
• Nostalgia for Girlhood & Representation: The hosts reflect on how the film resonated for those who felt like outsiders, especially since the books and movie centered girls and their lives without irony or spectacle.

The Film's Structure and Style

• Grounded Emotional Drama: Paul praises director Melanie Mayron for crafting “an adult drama with these kids… small little conflicts and friendships… not leading to some big moment, you know, or even a big kiss. It blew my mind at how small it is—and I mean that in the best possible way.” (06:48)
• Stylistic Niche: The film sits “between an after school special and a glossy studio film”—authentic and accessible but never condescending.

Book vs. Film: Depth and Differences

• Rob’s Experience: As a boy, Anderson read the books in secret for fear of judgment—movies were more permissible.
• POV and Storylines: The books go deeper, each one from a different member’s perspective. The movie merges and simplifies arcs and makes romantic subplots more central than in the source material. (08:09)

The Stacy & Luca Romance: Aging Questionably?

• Age Gap Issue: Stacy (13) dates Luca (17), which both hosts call out as “rough…the one thing that doesn’t age as well.” Luca is “so shocked she’s 13,” and though the movie tries to play it as innocent, “that’s not romantic. That’s illegal.” (16:34)
• Notable Quote:

  “He’s a junior in high school, I guess… As I’m saying it out loud, I’m like, oh, yeah, that’s rough.” – Paul (10:27)
  “He’s French, so he gets a pass...but Stacy has a huge issue. She’s got a disease.” – Rob (10:34)

The Diabetes Plot

• Stacy’s Secret: A recurring plot is Stacy’s diabetes; she hides it, fearing being seen as “a little kid.” It stands in for any secret that makes adolescence fraught:

  “At this time in your life, all these little things do mean the world…at 13, it does feel like ‘I am unlovable. I am diabetes. What does that mean?’” – Paul (12:39)

• Memorable Dialogue:

  Stacy: “I didn’t eat. That’s why I fainted. Sorry. It’s just when my blood sugar gets low, I get kind of psycho.” (11:48)

Sincerity and Reality of Girlhood

• Friendship Focus: The friendship among the girls is sincere and central, often more important than any boy or external conflict.
• Small Stakes, Big Feelings: Issues like divorce, body image, failing science class, and parental pressure are treated with genuine seriousness.
• Poster Injustice: Both hosts lament that the film’s poster falsely markets it as a romance, giving boys undue prominence and distracting from the actual girl-centric narrative. (17:36, 22:02)

Character Discussions

• Which Babysitter Are You? Hosts share which character they relate to (Paul and Rob both see themselves in Christy, the leader with control issues).
• Christy’s Family Drama: Christy’s absentee dad shows up trying to reconcile but lets her down, leading to nuanced discussion of family disappointments.
• Claudia’s Academic Struggles: The pressure to pass science is depicted as a near life-or-death trial, with hosts noting the specifically Asian-American expectations (34:19).

The 13-Year-Olds Running a Summer Camp

• Entrepreneurial Children: The girls’ summer day camp is both a wish fulfillment fantasy and, in retrospect, “problematic”—no adults in sight, but “that’s not even questioned.” (40:42)
• Antagonist Neighbor: Ellen Burstyn as Mrs. Haberman steals scenes as the beleaguered, flower-loving neighbor doomed to endure chaos.

Humor, Quirk, and Iconic Moments

• Alan, the Comic Relief Magician: An inept, “cringe” suitor for Dawn who ultimately wins her over—noteworthy mainly for his bad flirting and ‘90s fashion (20:13).
• Randomness of '90s Logic: The “timeout room,” the kids’ shenanigans, and malaprop food choices (like Dawn's bowl of sunflower seeds for dinner) are delightfully strange.

  “Your body can’t handle too much of anything, right? It’s too much roughage, too much seeds.” — Paul (51:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the aging of the Luca/Stacy romance:

  “Like, that’s not romantic. That’s illegal.” — Rob (16:50)

• On the lingering impact of divorce and parental issues:

  “I think that (Christy) puts up this level of trying to be perfect, and this is the part that’s not perfect. And she can’t control it, so she feels kind of out of control, and everything falls apart…I really identify with Christy.” — Paul (28:25)

• On Claudia’s school struggles:

  “They do her work for her, create a rap song for her, perform it, choreograph it perfectly… but watching it back, they don’t really provide that much information in the song.” — Rob (38:03)

• On the enduring power of the film for new kids:

  “(My sons) came in and they sat down and they did not move. And they were into it…it was really interesting to me because… you don’t get movies that really deal with real teen issues. Either it’s overblown or it’s too kiddie. And this kind of falls right in the middle.” — Paul (55:34)

• On '90s Film Culture:

  “Parts of (the '90s) probably were trash, but we have an attachment to them that they’ll always be incredible to us. Totally. They were taking big swings in the 90s. They were just going for it because we didn’t have this highly critical social media atmosphere…” – Rob (60:39)

• On life lessons from The Baby-Sitters Club:

  “You get what you get, and you don’t get upset…from your dads.” — Rob (71:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Film introduction & Anderson’s childhood connection: 00:01–04:44
• Movie vs. Book analysis: 08:09–12:39
• Stacy & Luca “creepy” romance discussion: 08:48–16:53
• Diabetes storyline & its meaning: 10:53–13:30
• Christy’s family & personal growth: 22:20–31:06
• Claudia’s academic struggle / parental pressure: 34:19–39:53
• Entrepreneurship & camp subplot: 40:00–44:55
• ’90s nostalgia & film culture, kid-run adventures: 58:18–62:01
• Personal Rushmore of ‘90s kid movies: 68:46–72:14

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Thematic Highlights

Authenticity & Sincerity

The film’s lack of irony and focus on girlhood was seen as unique for its time; it was softly radical just by taking its audience seriously.

'90s Freedom & Absurdity

Hosts reminisce about how boundary-pushing, weird, and experimental ‘90s family cinema could be, and how The Baby-Sitters Club exemplifies both sincerity and weirdness.

Enduring Relevance

Rob and Paul’s discussion (and their kids’ engagement with the film today) reinforce the story’s staying power, relatability, and “timeless” quality—despite some dated elements.

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Final Thoughts

The Baby-Sitters Club is praised as an “unappreciated classic”—a film that captures real, sometimes awkward girlhood better than most studio movies before or since, and is full of “small” moments that are treated as big deals because they matter so much at that age. The hosts reflect on how formative these earnest, sprawling ‘90s films were, and take joy rediscovering the “Emotional Olympics” of preteen friendship, responsibility, and parental expectations.

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Further Recommendations & Connections

• Anderson’s '90s Rushmore: Heavyweights, Camp Nowhere, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie, Brave Little Toaster
• Recommended viewing for similar vibes: Adventures in Babysitting, Don’t Tell Mom The Babysitter’s Dead

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Upcoming Episode

Next week: Josie and the Pussycats with guest Joanna Robinson.

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Follow Rob Anderson:

• Instagram: @heartthrobanderson
• TikTok: @heartthrobbert
• YouTube: Rob Anderson
• New comedy special "Are You Afraid of the ‘90s?" drops June 3rd.

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Transcript

[Paul Scheer]

The year is 1995.

[Rob Anderson]

You know, we're more than just a club. We're friends. Best friends. Nothing could ever change that.

[Paul Scheer]

The movie the Babysitter's Club. Welcome to Unspooled. I am Paul Scheer, and this is a podcast about good movies, critical hits, fan favorites, must sees, and in case you missed ems, normally I'm joined by my co host, LA film critic Amy Nicholson, to talk about the films that people consider the best ever made. But while she's away in Cannes, we are leaving our lists of the AFI and Letterbox, and we are focusing on one person's favorite unappreciated classic. Maybe it's a little left of center, A film that simply doesn't get enough love. This is dealer's choice, where our guests get to choose what movie they need to talk about. Anything goes. Today. We are talking about 1995's Babysitters Club. Now, let me tell you, the Babysitters Club is a massively popular series of middle grade novels by Ann M. Martin. It's a cultural institution, and Scholastic and Columbia Pictures see this opportunity to translate this built in audience to the screen, aiming squarely at young female. Female demographic that Hollywood largely ignores at the time. Now, the books revolve around a group of entrepreneurial middle school girls running a babysitter business in the fictional town of Stony Brook, Connecticut. And what really makes these books work, apparently, is the emotional lives of the girls. They're very real. And the film adaptation zeroes in on a summer story. The girls decide to start a day camp as a way to grow their business, giving the movie this clear structure while juggling multiple character arcs to ground it in authenticity. The production leans into a relatively unknown cast. You have Schuler Fisk as Christie, the club's intense, driven founder. You also have Larissa Olnick, who's this cool, edgy, rebellious dawn. You have Rachel Leigh Cook, who plays the shy artist Mary. We got a lot, a lot of ladies in this movie. And the conflicts are small but deeply felt. We have divorce, body image, class differences, responsibility. And the movie treats these with sincerity rather than irony. Um, stylistically, it sits in that, like, middle 90s zone between, like, an after school special and a glossy studio film. We'll talk about that. And when it's released in 1995, it's not a breakout hit. It's competing in a summer dominated by big studio spectacles. So on week one, Mortal Kombat is number one. Then Dangerous Minds, A Walk in the Clouds, Something to talk About. Waterworld, Babe the net, Apollo 13, and coming in at number nine, the babysitter's club. But over time, this movie has grown. I mean, it is truly a touchstone. And I would say that we will talk about this as well. Maybe it sets the tone for movies like Lady Bird, but anyway, it's a rare example of a 90s studio film that understands its audience. Isn't looking for spectacle just great story. Now, who picked this movie? Well, I will tell you. It is brought to us today by someone who's fresh off an interview international tour. He's got a standup special, are youe afraid of the 90s? Dropping on June 3rd. Please welcome Internet personality, comedian, and this generation's most esteemed purveyor of gay science, Rob Anderson. Rob, I'm so happy you're here.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, Paul, thank you so much for having me. I am such a big fan. I am so excited to be here and to talk about the Babysitters Club in such a deep, profound way. It really needs this deep dive.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I. I want to understand why you picked it, because when I say to people, I'm like, give me any movies that you want. This is number one on your list. And what is it about this movie that really, like, jumps out at you or, like, it just goes to the front of the pack?

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, it's one of those personal zeitgeist movies for me. I watched it so many times on vhs, the tracking started to show. It's one of those, like, you've seen it, honestly, over a hundred times and you know it. Even 10 years away from the movie, you know every line as it's about to come. It's one of those movies to me, and I hadn't seen it in a bit, and I did recently rewatch it, and I just feel like there's so much we need to talk about. There's the girlhood aspect of it all. That's what really kind of brings it all together. You know, the girls are there for you kind of vibe.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

But all their individual stories and how they match up, there's. It's. There's so much to talk about.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Paul Scheer]

Unschooled here's the thing I thought after watching it yesterday and I was surprised by it cause I'd never seen this and I was like this is like a kid's version of Magnolia or like Boogie Nights. Like we're in this world and these stories are a lot deeper than I thought they would be. Right. They really resonate. And I was thinking about this because the director, Melanie Mayeron, this is her like like directorial debut. But she was starring or had starred in 30 Something and it kind of feels like that, like an adult drama with these kids because we're. It is. It's small little conflicts and it's friendships. It's not like. It's not like leading to some big moment, you know, or even a big kiss. It's not even really about boys. It kind of blew my mind at how small it is. And I mean that in the best possible way.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. And I since was the first time you've seen the movie. I'm taking it you didn't read the books, right?

[Paul Scheer]

No, I didn't read the books and I know of the books and I'm not like one of those people. Like, that's for girls. I'm not into that. Look, I'm a guy who watched Swan's Crossing. You know, I've watched Dawson's Creek. I am up in it. Like, I'm not. I'm ready for it. I don't know why I missed this series, but I understand the connection to it. Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

For me, as a gay guy, I had to do it in secret. Like the movie. Not so much because everyone was watching the movie, but the books were not something that I wanted to be seen reading, But I was obsessed with them, and the books actually go even deeper into their stories. So every book tells it from the perspective of a different babysitter. Claudia, Jessie, Marianne. And it goes much deeper into those moments. And then in the movie, it actually is a bit lighter, even though there's some gravity of, like, divorce and whatnot. And then they added a lot more in the movie about boys. Boys were not really a thing in the books as much, but there is a storyline that I. I'm sure we'll talk about with Stacy.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's get into it.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. Can we, please?

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. I mean, right, because this is the one that's like, oh, has this aged? Okay. Or has it not? Right. And this is the question, right? Cause Stacey meets this. This Luca, right? That's the boy. And how old is Luca, would you say? Cause I couldn't quite put my finger on. He's older.

[Rob Anderson]

Luka is 17.

[Paul Scheer]

17. And she is 13, right?

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

And he thinks that she's 16, right?

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. No. Apparently he is so shocked that she's 13 now. She does look. Stacey looks the oldest of all of the babysitters, for sure. They did her hair. They really teased the hell out of her hair. Like, they tried to make her look 60, but he. Yeah, he doesn't know she's 13. But there is something weird about Luca where he requests her as a babysitter.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. So what?

[Paul Scheer]

Well, it's like they have that thing where. And this is, you know, as somebody who is, you know, who has grown up in this time, like, you're like, oh, that's how relationships happen. It just. You see somebody and you're like, I'm in love with them. Right. And it's. And that he kind of sees her immediately, and she's babysitting somebody else, and then they're gonna go see a movie, and he's like, I have my whole life to go see movies. Yeah, I want to hang out with you. And it's immediately hot and heavy.

[Rob Anderson]

And.

[Paul Scheer]

But I would say that I'm not pulling in the age that much. I mean, it gets to a point where I'm like, oh, yes, he's older, but he doesn't look. It's not like a teacher is trying to date this girl. But it is also. He's a. He's a junior in high school, I guess.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. Four year age gap is quite a lot when you're 13.

[Paul Scheer]

As I'm saying it out loud, I'm like, oh, yeah, he's a junior in high school and she's not even in high school. That is. That's rough. Yeah, that's a rough.

[Rob Anderson]

Or I was 17 when I got to college, so, I mean, it could even be early college. But he's French, so he gets a pass. You know, he's French, and so he's. He's so sexy. And it's romantic, but Stacy has a huge issue. She's got a disease.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God.

[Rob Anderson]

Diabetes.

[Paul Scheer]

This diabetes plotline is, you know, and this is what I love about the movie because it's big. It is a big deal. Right? But it also, like, it's not like the way they're. You just got to take your medication. And like, when he asked her to go on a hike, she's like, oh, I didn't eat enough. You know,

[Rob Anderson]

she didn't eat the muffin. Her. Her mom was like, eat this muffin. And she's like, mom, I can. I'm going on a date with a French guy. And, yeah, she has a rough time on the hike.

[Paul Scheer]

She's constantly not eating very much. Like, I don't know if you're familiar with the Godfather 3, but Al Pacino's characters, I guess, like, hypoglycemic. He's also having issues if he doesn't have enough sugar in his body. So, yeah, like, she talks about this disease as if a. She doesn't want anyone to find out, but it seems relatively easy to control. Like. Like a muffin does it. Like a muffin does the trick.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. She keeps it secret from him. She's worried about what he's gonna say.

I didn't eat. That's why I fainted. Sorry. It's just when my blood sugar gets low, I get kind of psycho.

I wish you had told me you were diabetic. It's no big deal.

Maybe not for you, but it makes people treat me like I'm a little kid. My mother is so overprotective. Makes me crazy to worry about her worrying about me.

It's okay. I'm just glad you feel better.

I didn't want you to think I was sick or something or weird.

I don't think you're weird. I think you're beautiful. And I will say this is her identity in the books and the movies. Stacy is diabetes. That is her. That's her brand. She's always talking about it like people judge her for it and. Yeah. So she's not taking care of herself. And she passes out on the hike because she has low blood. Low blood sugar. Is the villain here.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. I mean, and look like. And finally a movie has the courage to talk about it. You know, like, there's kids out there. But what I. And I guess this is like where my heart goes in a great. I hope in a great way. It's like, I like that it's something that's manageable, but yet you're embarrassed by. Because I think at this time in your life, like, all these little things do mean the world. And it's not that big of a deal if you're probably even 15. But like, at 13, it does feel like I am unlovable. I am. I am diabetes. Like, what does that mean? And you know, and it's. And it's. And I think that that's, like, important to show kids. Like, okay, you can get through it. But again, I did not know that. That's also like the runner of the books that she is constantly wrestling with this.

[Rob Anderson]

Oh, yeah. And her age becomes an issue when they go to New York. They go on a trip together, right? Stacey, Claudia, and Luca all decide to go to New York City and have like a weekend trip. There's.

[Paul Scheer]

It seems like it's a night out, right? Because it's sort of like. Because they're from Stony Brook, Connecticut. Not a terrible drive in. They probably took a train or something like that. As a New Yorker, I. I'm familiar with these Connecticut kids popping in. But here's the thing that I was surprised at. The. The whole plan is completely spoiled. Like. Cause she. She's not technically lying to him, right? She's just not telling him how old she is. Like, she's not. She's just avoiding the conversation, I think. I don't. You know, because they go to this club and people are getting carded. Now. What are they carding? Because at 17. What kind of ID are you carrying on, Rolly? Anyway, like, who's.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, they're carding for 17 year olds. What is it, a 16 plus club?

[Paul Scheer]

I think. 16 plus club with a bouncer that is as aggressive as somebody at like a 21 plus club.

[Rob Anderson]

Like, yeah, like, it's like Berghain to get into this club. And he's like, where's your cards? And he's like, oh, don't worry, she's got one. She's 16. She's got her, I don't know, her library cards. Like, that's.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, that's the only thing I could think of that she could be pulling out. And she's like, oh, I left it at home. It's like, of course you left it at home. You. Like, even at 16, there's no ID. Like, it's not a thing.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, but then she does hand him an ID that shows that she's 13. So. What ID is that, ladies?

[Paul Scheer]

IDs.

[Rob Anderson]

I must have left it in my other wallet.

[Paul Scheer]

Sorry.

[Rob Anderson]

Come on, give her a break. She's 16. They both are.

[Paul Scheer]

I can't let her in without IDs.

[Rob Anderson]

Hey, hey, it's right here.

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[Paul Scheer]

Sorry, babe. Nice try.

[Rob Anderson]

Hey, she just showed you her ID.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, I know. And she ain't no 16, so beat it.

[Rob Anderson]

I'm almost

16.

[Paul Scheer]

Mad at her because he thought that, like, he kind of lied to himself. Like, everyone's lying to themselves about this 16 year old age difference. And that kind of look, it. It causes a dent in their relationship. What I will say to the creepiness factor of it, because that's probably the one thing that doesn't age as well, is that Luca does. Like, he's not like, hey, all right, let's figure it out. Anyway, like, he's like, no, this is wrong. Like, Luca, he does reject her.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, he does initially. And then he plays the harmonica on her doorstep to get her back.

[Paul Scheer]

He does kiss her, right? I think. Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

Like, yeah, well, they kiss, so. Okay, this is just the most insane part of the movie to me is they are standing in front of the door and they talk. It's at the very end of the movie. And they say, oh, this was a really great summer. And she says, oh, man, I'm gonna miss you. He says, well, don't worry, I'm coming back next year. Yeah, for next summer. And she says, well, I'll be 14. And he's like, I know. And then they kiss. But he'll be 18.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, weirder. It actually is more aggressive. He should be like, I'll. I'll kiss you this one time because we're both kids. But I'll never come back. I will never talk to you because I know it's Bad, like him being 18 and her 14 is really worse. Worse. Worse.

[Rob Anderson]

Like. Like, that's not romantic. That's illegal.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Now we're getting into. Now we're getting into some very questionable behavior. Now, I will say this. I was looking around. Cause I did again, I remembered the COVID I was a Blockbuster Video employee, and I remember this cover very clearly. Luca is front and center on the Babysitter's Club. Yes. There's two posters. There's one where all the girls are laying down and looking up. But the one that was the one that I remember from when this came out, he is leaning in, hands on hip, like he's splitting the girls. And I guess that was like, their attempt, I don't know, to get the male audience or something. There's two boys on the COVID you know, So, I mean, it's.

[Rob Anderson]

But yeah, I hate that because the iconic image is all of the girls laying down and there's like a top down, bird's eye. But you're right. The VHS cover of this was the five of them. I'm looking at it now. That has two men on it who, like, honestly, the one is barely in the movie. Barely?

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

And it says below, friends Forever. But then they're making it, like a romantic thing in the COVID Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

It feels like it's kind of cheating off of, like, Can't Hardly Wait or something. It's like, this is about girls and guys. It's like the movie's called Babysitter's Club. Woo Wee Foo. Yeah, we know it's not gonna be these guys. Now. I am also, if we're talking about relationships now, I'm forgetting people's names. But I'm also fascinated by the magician. That guy who's working so hard. Yes.

[Rob Anderson]

Actually, I think. I honestly can't remember his name on top of my head. I've seen this movie. That's how forgettable this man is. Is it Logan? No, Logan is the love interest. Honestly, I'm gonna look it up.

[Paul Scheer]

I know I'm looking at it right now, and I'm like. I can't even tell you every Buddy Barrett, would that be his name? I don't know. He's very aggressive. Yeah. Well, we can pause.

[Rob Anderson]

Alan. I think it's Alan.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my gosh. I'm looking through the IMDb and I'm like, who did this is the problem with these 90s movies. Sometimes they never act again. And then they're really low on the list. And that's a lot of.

[Rob Anderson]

And that's a lot of them in this movie? Yeah, it is Alan.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay, so Alan is this guy that. Played by Aaron Michael Metchik, who. Also weirdly problematic. Like, he. Like, in the sense that, like, he's very aggressive at trying to flirt, but in the worst. In the worst ways. Like, really not. Like, he made me feel good about myself because I think this is how I was as a flirter. I was like, oh, I'll be loud and big, and I'll take attention that way. So I think in one way, it's cute. But I also don't understand how at the end, when he just kind of straight up asks her out, she's like, yeah, let's do it. Like, really? No. This guy. Come on.

[Rob Anderson]

I think they handle the dynamics of trying having crushes and how awkward it can be around this age pretty well, because all the girls are having this summer club. I'm sorry, this summer camp for the summer. All the girls are having the summer camp, and that is their job through the summer. And Alan comes in to do it for free just so he can get closer to Dawn. And Dawn's like, really? Like, this kid is so annoying. Like, I really need a restraining order against this man. And now we're gonna hire him to work here. And so he's, like, trying to impress her throughout the movie.

[Paul Scheer]

And I think the suspenders on him.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, suspenders. He uses, like, squirt flowers, and it's all a little cringe. And then at the end, I think when he is honest with her and is like, hey, I've just been trying to get with you all summer, and I don't know what else to do. I guess that is what makes it click for her.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, I guess she's like, all right, well, whatever. I mean, I. I will say this, and this is a reference that when you look at Allen, and the thing I couldn't get out of my head was he looks a little bit like the character that Ben Stiller played in Tropic Thunder of Happy Jack, because. Which was, like, his problem. Like, Ben Stiller played a problematic character, like a character that was mentally handicapped. And that's what he, like, you can never do. And that's what he kind of is. He's looking between that and Alfalfa because he is wearing these suspenders and his hair is. And I'm like. And I guess in my mind, I'm also like, is this guy cute for 95? I don't know how I feel like. And that's like.

[Rob Anderson]

I'm like, I don't Know.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. He's not. Okay.

[Rob Anderson]

No, no. Oh, Simple Jack was Simple Jack.

[Paul Scheer]

Sorry.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes. It's so Simple Jack. Like, the. A little inbred. Like, a little. The DNA is a little messy.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. I couldn't quite figure, like, that's the hard thing for me in this. I'm like. Because I'll be watching things with my wife, and she'll be like, no, no, that guy is attractive. I'm like, got it. All right. Like, in 90s stuff. Because in 90s stuff, it's also, like, in 80s stuff, women look like they're 30. In 90s stuff, they're looking more like they're their own age. But I can never quite tell who should be the heartthrob and who isn't. It's always hard for me.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. I think in this movie, definitely, Luca is, like, the number one heartthrob. And then Logan's cute. Logan is Marianne's love interest.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. He's, like, on the side. He's very.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

So he's poster worthy. He's on the poster. But not really getting enough of the arc in the movie.

[Rob Anderson]

I am so mad about the poster. I actually forgot that they did this. And it's such a lie. Cause also, the movie's about girlhood.

[Paul Scheer]

Exactly.

[Rob Anderson]

Like, when the men fuck up, which is what they do all the time in this movie, the girlies are there for you. And this poster is not that. Anyway, moving on from the poster.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Well, let me ask you this. Which girl are you? Because I'm thinking about this for myself as well. Like, I'm like, who do you relate to when you were reading these books and when you're seeing this movie? Like, is there. Is there one person?

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, I think I'm a mix of a couple. I am definitely Kristi, the lead here. I see a lot of qualities in Christy that I have. So this, like, leadership type who is kind of organizing everything and thinks they have it all together. But you really don't. I have a lot of that in me. I also think, like, I don't know when someone. So her dad comes to visit her in secret because he's trying to get a job in Stony Brook, and she has to keep it a secret. Sports reporter.

[Paul Scheer]

A local Connecticut sports reporter.

[Rob Anderson]

A big gig. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Your father is full of dreams.

[Rob Anderson]

Just like, you don't ever give them up.

[Paul Scheer]

The city is so close. There's so many more jobs. And this is, like, at a time when newspapers are like, they're. They need sports coverage. Like, he is. I was like, expand your range just a little bit. Don't. Just don't try to get a local gig in Connecticut.

[Rob Anderson]

I don't think he's very good, if I'm honest. Like, that must be why Paul, because he is going in Stony Brook. I mean, what do they have, Little League, like, what is possibly reporting on?

[Paul Scheer]

Truly. They go to visit some baseball game at one point, and he doesn't even seem well received there, like, by the players. Doesn't even seem like they are like, hey, it's our good friend. It's like, no.

[Rob Anderson]

And he doesn't even get the job as the Stony Brook sports reporter. So he's not even good enough for this.

[Paul Scheer]

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[Paul Scheer]

unschooled. And by the way, Peter Horton who plays her dad who was on 30 something. I like this portrayal because again, it's just like the whole movie is shades of gray, right? Cause he's. Is he bad? Is he not bad? I mean, there are weird things about it. He comes in secret. He lives in like a camper van in the woods, not in like a campground. Like, when they cut to that wide of the camper van, it doesn't seem like he's in like there's other camper vans. It just seems like he's just parked in the woods. And I think he tells. I think he tells Rachel Leigh Cook just to pee behind a tree and sends her out in the middle of the night to pee there. Like, I'm like, all right, these are not good. It didn't even give her a flashlight. He's like, don't worry, it's safe.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. He says, take a left at the maple. So he tells her to pee on a tree. Basically. Yeah. So I think some of those qualities of like, you know, she's keeping a secret for somebody and, you know, I think I have that in me. But then there's definitely some Christie things that are so out of this. Like, I would never show up to this carnival she shows up to at the end of the movie to meet her dad who bails on her. And like the way she handles all of it is so, I mean, first time on earth, you know, like brand new energy here. That is not me so much. But what about You.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, you know, I was gonna say that I feel the Christie. I also feel. I'm. I'm. Cause I feel like Christy, you know, I think whenever you're doing anything and you're a self starter, you feel that leader quality. And I think that what I really identified with was how I feel like she wanted someone to take care of her, right? And that's what she was looking at, her dad. But I also think that she was kind of ignoring her mom and her stepdad because they were there for her. And the way she treats a stepdad is really like. I mean, she's real mean to him and he is nothing but sweet like he is. He's not a bad stepdad. He's just. He just happens to get the shrapnel from. I don't know. I don't even know why. They give me no reason to think that, but I feel like I get that feeling of, like, her wanting to. I don't know. She. I think that she puts up this level of trying to be perfect, and this is the part that's not perfect. And she can't control it. So she feels kind of out of control and everything falls apart. And I. I don't know. I really identify with Christie. And I also identify with Rachel Leigh Cook, which is like keeping a friend secret and just trying to make. But like, also knowing that that's going to cause problems within your friends group. It's like, I can't tell you exactly why she's being so weird. And the friends are picking up on her, like, little things. I mean, I don't know. I don't know why the dad's throwing her off that much. It's not like she's running out to the woods to free him. Like, it doesn't seem like it shouldn't. It's not like she's not hiding anything. He just happens to visit every now and then, right?

[Rob Anderson]

Like, it's true. She has to drop all of her responsibilities with the summer camp. She doesn't bring her kid brother home at one point and leaves him there.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my goodness.

[Rob Anderson]

She doesn't help Claudia. I know. It's so crazy with him walking home alone. Where were you?

I had to pick up some stuff for the camp.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, you forgot to pick up something pretty important.

[Rob Anderson]

Like what?

[Paul Scheer]

Like your brother. When you. And again, Stony Brook is the most white town you can imagine. And they cut to this little boy walking. I'm like, are they gonna kill this boy? Is it. Cause he's walking like, oh, a car is Gonna just run him over. I don't know. And that's the thing about this movie. All of a sudden you're like, oh, nothing bad is gonna happen. Maybe it will. I'm creeped out by moments. Again, the camper in the middle of the woods, the peeing on the tree, the kid getting hit, and that scene in the carnival. She's so. Like, she's so. I mean, again, it's a small town, but she's so alone there, waiting for her dad to ride this thing with her. And where the fuck did the dad go? Like, that's all I was thinking. Like, he just left.

[Rob Anderson]

Why did that so bad? Like, I think some of it, you give him a little bit of grace. I get why he doesn't want Christy to tell the mom because she doesn't want to think that he's a deadbeat without a job, even though it's very obvious. But just to leave her at the carnival and then write her a letter being like, hope you had a good birthday.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. Sorry, I got busy. Well, now here's the thing. And I guess I don't want to. I don't want to blame her because she's a child, but he did say he was going to meet up with her, and then she was like, you know what? I bet you he's just going to go to the car. Like, she makes the second move, right? Because that's true, you know, so she. I'm going to blame her just a little bit.

[Rob Anderson]

Well, you can blame her even more because when they. When there's a downpour and they shut down the carnival, it's not a carnival. It's like a small theme park. Like a pure. Like a. A pier. Like a Wildwood, New Jersey pier kind of vibe.

[Paul Scheer]

I grew up in Long island, and there was a place called Adventureland, and it was a small theme park, and it was like the coolest thing, but it was no. Like, it was like one fourth of a great adventure in every way, you know? And, like. Yeah. So I. I mean, I was also surprised that this town did have that. But, you know. But yes. But yes. It starts pouring, and then she.

[Rob Anderson]

They're like, you need. Everyone needs to go. And then she just runs into the carousel and gets trapped in there. Like, do you not have any survival skills? You should leave.

You leave.

[Paul Scheer]

You're in your own town. And she's in this carousel. And again, this is another moment where the movie gets weird and we cut to this, like, image of, like, these old, like. Like. Like Italian kind of like Clowns, like. Or like some sort of, like, banging a drum and just look like. I'm like, oh, she's about to get killed by the evil clown that lives in the. And then she's, like, trapped in there. And it seems like she's loc in the carnival closes its doors on the site of rain. She's locked in. I'm like, this movie is going to places. And then I was thinking, is this just the drama that girls are living through? And this movie articulates it like. But it's like, that's the story that she would tell. And maybe the real life version is the rain just came and she got sad, but she's like, and then I was trapped, and then I got here and then they wouldn't let me out. I didn't know what to do.

[Rob Anderson]

It is part of girlhood, adolescence to get trapped at the carnival. Like, every girl goes through it. It's pouring rain. Your d. Italian sculptures are leering at you. Also, you're right. There is murder in the veins of this movie.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. It feels like it can happen.

[Rob Anderson]

It does really feel that way.

[Paul Scheer]

It feels like if you told me, like, oh, your dad was arrested because he is a famous serial killer. Got it. Of course, of course. You know, it's like, expected.

[Rob Anderson]

Yep. We saw it coming. Absolutely.

[Paul Scheer]

And I also. I mean, I'm also feeling some pressure from the young. I'm just trying to remember everybody's name. Claudia, who's feeling this pressure from her parents because she's ba. She's failing, and she's gotta take the summer school. And there was a pressure there that it also felt like if she didn't pass, like, there would be hell to pay. We don't really see her parents. We hear about it and, like. And I'm like, oh, God, I'm nervous. I'm like, please pass this test. It feels like the stakes are very, very high.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes. This is also a big, big part in the book with the failing of science for Claudia. Also, it's important to notice the note that Claudia is Asian.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Rob Anderson]

And the pressure. They don't explicitly say the pressure of an Asian parent, but it's all pretty. It's all very realistic in the depictions of what things people were going through to fail. Science is, like, probably so horrible in general, but I mean, just the pressure she feels from intense Asian parents is. It can't be understated.

[Paul Scheer]

No. And I actually thought that was really interesting how they played into it without. Again, the parents are not overtly mean. I have a 12 year old and a 9 year old, they're both boys, which means that emotions are things that we pull out and we get things and we get to certain places. But I think the thing that I'm always fascinated by is these feelings that I have not put on them in any way whatsoever. It's like, my youngest son. I could tell something was wrong. I couldn't quite figure out what it was. And I was like, you okay, buddy? And he's like, yeah. And I'm like, what's going on? He's like, no, nothing, nothing. And then he started crying, and I was like, what's wrong? He's like, these slippers that I bought, they're too big. But I don't want you to return them because I know that they cost a lot of money and I don't. And I'm like, oh. I was like, first of all, they were essentially the version of Temu slippers. And even if they weren't, who cares? I'm just like. But I was like, oh, I'll get you new slippers. But don't tell mom. Don't tell Mom. Cause she wanted to get me this. It's okay. And when I see those moments, it reminds me, like, oh, yeah. The reality is so different than the perceived reality of what you're doing. And. And that's. And I'm trying so hard as a parent to just articulate, like, I love you. I'm also mad that you've left rappers, like, hidden inside the couch. Like, I can. Two things can be true, right? Like, it's like. And I think that, like, this movie does a good job of, like, by not seeing her parents. We don't know what that pressure is, if it's her own pressure or it's them. Right? Because. And I think that that's actually kind of good. Cause it's like, what will my parents think if I fail? You know? What will I do? You know? And I don't know. I think that that's an important thing, you know, in movies, because I feel like making the parents completely evil is unrealistic as well. These are just normal things that people deal with. Are you a good student?

[Rob Anderson]

I was okay. I was okay. I have an attention issue, so I was always distracted, and I was sometimes interested in other things than what I was studying. But it does feel like everything's the end of the world when you're younger. And honestly, any point in your life that things felt serious, I look back at that and I'm like, nope, nope. Wasn't that Bad. Wasn't that serious.

[Paul Scheer]

Not bad at all. No, it's like there's very few. I mean, few moments where you're like, oh, right, that was actually bad. Or, you know, it's like. But it's. I think it's just sort of like not knowing the world. Right? And that's what you know. But now, meanwhile, these girls are incredibly savvy. I mean, this is the other cool thing about this movie is, like, they are businesswomen. They're entrepreneurs. They're building up this world. And I know that's part of the whole baby sitters club ethos, but even for their friend, Dude's failing, it's like, you know what? She a dummy. We're gonna create a rap. We're gonna. We're gonna be smarter. We're gonna create a rap song for, like, they do her work for her, create a rap song for her, perform it, choreograph it perfectly, and then that all kind of comes together for a test. But I was like, wow, like, this is a talented b.

[Rob Anderson]

If you want to run, if you want to jump, you gotta get your left and right ventricle to pump through the heart and center of it all. Surprise humps. You might just fall down to the ground, which will cause you pain. But that will never happen to use your brain. Hook, brain. The brain, the center of the chain. That'll never happen if you use your brain.

Well, also thinking back, actually, at the. Her mom, her parents, Claudia's parents, they're actually quite forgiving here, if I'm thinking about it, because she did fail already, and she needs to get a C on her summer school exam or else she has to drop out of the club, which is. Makes sense.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?

[Rob Anderson]

If you're not passing your classes, you can't do this extra thing that's taking up your time. But yeah. So the song. Okay, this is one of those things that's ingrained in my mind, and I know it by heart because I've seen this movie so many times. But watching it back, they don't really provide that much information in the song.

[Paul Scheer]

No. Not enough to pass a test. Not enough to, like. I mean. Cause when she sings that song back and then fills out the entire test paper within 30 seconds, like, it's not. Unless these questions are very easy. Like, no.

[Rob Anderson]

They sing the brain, the brain, the center of the chain. And then she's like, ah, the brain, the center of the chain. Like, girl, you didn't know that?

[Paul Scheer]

Like, yeah, that's the easiest part.

[Rob Anderson]

The Heart pumps blood to the rest of your body. She's like, oh, it does. It does pump blood. Like, Claudia, girl, like, you're a good artist.

[Paul Scheer]

What are we. What are we learning here? This is like, it's a real, like, it's like she's not learning about the heart. She's like. She's just learning about how the body works in general. It's a very general, like, class. It's like, yeah, we do everything. We do. Heart pumps, brain thinks it's. Yeah, it's all there.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. And she gets a B, I think, on the test because of the song.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. And I like that it was not an A. I did like, yes.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. They're keeping it real at the babysitter's club here.

[Paul Scheer]

I would have liked. Yeah. I was like, I got a B minus. And they're so psyched. They're very happy to see that.

[Rob Anderson]

And Claudia also spots an empty greenhouse. So part of them being entrepreneurs, they're all very business savvy, and they decide to renovate this greenhouse and make it their new office. And I just love the. I love the business aspect of these girls. They're just ladies and also supporting each other in their endeavors. I mean, I think that's why. Coming to the root of why I used to watch this movie so much. I just, I love the different flavors of issues they have in their lives and how they all come together in the end. And, you know, right now, 20, 26, they are making money, these ladies, big time.

[Paul Scheer]

And now, I know we talked about the problematic idea of like Luca dating a younger girl, but also problematic a bunch of 13 year olds running a summer camp for children. Like, we're like, we needed some adult supervision, but they didn't let that. I love that. That's not even questioned. Like, I mean, it's not like, oh,

[Rob Anderson]

yeah, there's some conflicts. So they have a neighbor, Mrs. Haberman. Oh, I love Haberman with way too much. And it's important to note that she is played by Ellen Bernstein.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Rob Anderson]

Who does an incredible job as her. I mean, Ellen never misses, but she is this slightly aggrav neighbor who has to put up with 35 kids next door.

[Paul Scheer]

It's so close. It seems like there is a hedge separating it. So it's just like constant noise at this abandoned greenhouse. And all she's doing is dealing with like, I feel like broken windows or just like balls. And, you know, it's like she is. Yeah, this is. She's in a hellscape. And I have to say, I Understand why she's like a little cantankerous. And of course, you know, she's like, this is the worst summer ever for this woman. I thought of her as a schoolteacher who was like, all I want to do is get away from the kids just for a couple weeks, and just being flung into it.

[Rob Anderson]

I love the idea that she's a schoolteacher. She cannot get away from screaming kids. But the greenhouse was actually, I think, something that they renovated that was kind of further away from where they were. I don't think the greenhouse was where the camp was. But, yeah, they tear up all her. She loves gardening and all the kids tear up her flowers. They throw stink bombs at her. And she is a little. She is quite forgiving in all of it. But it does bring up the point they needed a business license to do this.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, there are things. And look, I guess again, as a child that this is like, right in my wheelhouse. Like, I'm about the age of a young girl trying to fall in love with an older Luca when this is coming out. That there was no. There were no rules back then. Like, I babysat for, like, babies when I was like eight or nine. It was like, yeah, People are like, oh, yeah, just leave them. Leave them with another kid. As long as they were older, it was fine. And it's like now, as somebody who has had children, I'm like, never put an 8 year. I would never put a 13 year old in this position. Like, it's like, it's just like, you know, we're young kids. Like, it was funny to me. I'm like, oh, yeah. I think this was a time where people are like, nah, whatever. They'll deal with it. And I kind of like that in a way. But it also was like, it was very loose. It was in there. I love that. Was it the silent corner that they had they built in or when they get in trouble, they stand in that.

[Rob Anderson]

It was like a timeout. A timeout room. Yeah, it was called. They put something there. A sign up that they called it something specific. I think the best parts of this movie are the kids and summer camp. Just the quirks. They have invisible friends trying to get in. Two for one because the sister's really small. I love those parts of the movie. I think they kind of bring a lot of levity to these more serious things that the girls are dealing with.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. Cause it's like, I think part of it is like, I was thinking, oh, this is like, this is gonna be like a baby boom style movie. Or something like that, you know, where it's like, okay, we're gonna see how it works. And that is just kind of what keeps them all together. But you do also see that these kids are like, they are dealing with some burnout. They are getting like, it was bigger than they thought. Like, it. It starts off fun. We could do this. We have a successful thing going. And then I feel like they realize, like, you know what? It's too much too soon. Let's stick with just the regular babysitting here, you know? But I love that whole camp. Like, everything that's going on in that camp feels like that's another movie. I would love to see that. Like the wet hot American summer. Like the meatballs version of like, I just wanted this live in that camp and just be like, my camp counselor seems weird. I don't know why she's always running off to the woods, talk to this weird old man. You know, it's kind of a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern of the other side. But I guess the other thing that I thought was kind of cool was it does still hold up. Like everything in this movie holds up. Like, it doesn't feel like nothing. Feels like, oh, if they had phones, they'd be able to figure all this stuff out. Like, everything kind of feels timeless here too.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, it does. I think the frustrations they feel with each other for not being honest about what's happening with Christy and then Marianne hiding that. And you're right about the dynamics with Christy and her family. I think that when you're younger, you get more frustrated and mad at your support systems who are always going to be there for you. And she just really wanted to be close to her dad. I feel like that really lands is so realistic. Still carries today. And they don't really hit on in the movie Jesse or the storyline of Mallory too much. They're like the assistant or the junior babysitters. But in the book, Jesse deals with a lot of racism because, like you're mentioning, this is a very, very white area and she is one of the only black girls in every space she's in. So in the book they really go into that perspective. But in the movie they don't at all. Because, I mean, I guess it's a movie and they're trying to, you know, wrap it up. And that's more Club two.

[Paul Scheer]

Let's get it in the second. You know, like, how much can you put? I mean, like, the movie is very packed with story. I mean, it's not like it's not missing it, but. Yeah, you feel like, okay, we don't know fully. Like, I don't know what's going on with, like, Cokie. Like, Koki. Like the one. The popular girl who hates everybody, who they. They trap cartoon style in cement.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. I will say that this is one part they added for the movie that wasn't in the books as much. Yeah. The whole, like, you know, oh, we got a villain here, and she's gonna try to sabotage them. That is all, I think something they added to make the movie more interesting. It has its moments, for sure. I think her and her two sidekicks were dopey and silly. You know, I'll take it. I'll take it. I think it's.

[Paul Scheer]

I didn't mind an enemy, but an enemy that was really, like, done away with in the funniest moment, which is just like, they throw a ball, she falls up the thing and falls into a trash can. And it's like she literally. That's it. Got her in the trash can.

[Rob Anderson]

It's like, oh, we got her in the trash can. Her legs are, like, up in the air in the trash can. Moving on from Cookie Mason. Oh, man. Actually, I just saw the actress who plays her in a Netflix, like, two years ago. She was in a Netflix, one of their many Christmas movies where Chad Michael Murray is a stripper for money in a small town. I remember seeing. I watched it. Cause I watched those Netflix movies to kind of like, make recaps on because they're so absurd. And I went, cokie Mason. And I don't think anyone else sees that actress. I think her name's Marla.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes.

[Rob Anderson]

And goes, oh, cocktail.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

For me, it's such an iconic movie, the Babysitter's Club, that I immediately thought of her.

[Paul Scheer]

I also, like, what do you think about fashion here in the sense of, like, this is. We're like, this is going for looks like. And it's sort of like, you know, we got a lot of. We got some florals. We got, like, different. You know, I feel like I actually like the way these kids are dressed. Like, the way that they even look now. I'm like, it doesn't. It doesn't age too. Too badly. It doesn't feel weird. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I mean, I. I was. I kind of was into their. Their styles. I mean, not. Not necessarily the bad kids, because the bad kids are wearing, like, real, like. Like jumpers with, like, moons on them and stuff like that. But. But I thought the regular girls were dressed pretty cool.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah, it's very 90s. This is smack dab middle of the 90s. 95. So denim overalls with some shirts, backwards, hats, like, each of the girls have a different way of dressing that matches their personalities. Like Malorie, who is an aspiring writer. She's got suspenders with different designs on them. And Stacy, who seems a little more well off, a little more manicured. She's wearing vests and, you know, and jeans, and Marianne's got sweater vests on. They each have a different style, but it feels very classic 90s to me. I just enjoyed the saturation of the movie, watching it back. Yeah, it felt comfortable. Even though there's a tinge of murder possibly happening.

[Paul Scheer]

Well, I mean, it's very Murder She Wrote, right? It's a beautiful town, but, you know, things can happen. And by the way, I would love to have seen this show continue. And then that's what they get into. They get. Yeah, we used to do babysitting. Now we figure out murders, and they have a podcast, and they're solving murders every week. I would believe it.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes. I think that if any of them were doing that, Mallory would definitely have a murder podcast right now for sure.

[Paul Scheer]

Let me ask you a question, and this is something I wrote down that caught me off guard. So dawn is eating a giant bowl of sunflower seeds for dinner. Like. Like. Like.

[Rob Anderson]

I.

[Paul Scheer]

Like. I was like. They cut to an image that is like a full cereal bowl with no milk, just of sunflower seeds. Like, that's her dinner. And I was really like, is this a time? But I always have to judge it by going like, oh, this is a time where we don't really understand, like, what being a vegetarian is. But I'm like, no, it was shot in la. We understand, like, this. We were ahead of that forever. Like, what? Like. But I was like, when I saw that. But this movie does have some, like, you want some tahini? There's things that I'm remembering, and I'm like, all right, Paul.

[Rob Anderson]

I am so obsessed. I love talking about this right now because I have not spoken about this movie to anyone in such a great way that I am so excited to talk about this. So all of these characters have their personality quirks that are fully flushed out in the books. And so for the movie, they had to condense them, I think, into something that's digestible. And so in the very beginning of the movie, Christy rattles off all those three qualities each of their friends have. And dawn is an environmentalist. And in the book, they go through it a lot more. But in the movie, clearly they're like, okay, how can we show that she is granola? A bowl of sunflower seeds at a diner.

She's eating seeds again. Isn't it great the way every time we come here, the burgers taste exactly the same? I like that. Something you can count on. Hey, dawn, have you watered yourself lately? What?

[Paul Scheer]

So I was like, what is. And by the way, that would be very expensive. It feels like that's like I buy a thing of pistachios and it's like 20 bucks.

[Rob Anderson]

I'm like, they were shelled. They were shelled. It's expensive. Yeah. Also, I can't imagine like the gas, like I would have so much gas after a bowl of sunflower seeds like that. Hell no.

[Paul Scheer]

One time I was like, I like Brussels sprouts. I'll make that for dinner. And I just had a bunch of Brussels sprouts. It's not good. Your body can't handle two much of anything, right? It's too much roughage, too much seeds. It's going to be bad.

[Rob Anderson]

I also, like, dawn was her brains out. That's what was happening there. Dawn was.

[Paul Scheer]

And that's covered in the book. And that is. And they always break it down.

[Rob Anderson]

Just shitting her brains out for the environment, you know, you got to do it for the, for, for mother and mother Earth.

[Paul Scheer]

I love what they say, this line. It's like, oh, she's so like, you know, into Earth. Like she would have loved to been born on Earth day. I'm like, all right, I guess. Sure. Like Jesus wants to share the same birthday as Earth, as if that is Earth's birthday. But I, you know, I love it. I love it.

[Rob Anderson]

I gotta give it some grace because these are kind of things. These are things that 12 year olds would say about their friend who loves the planet, you know, oh, of course, she was born on Earth day. I think that it feels, it feels right. You know, I think as an adult we would say that. But that is a funny. That is a funny bit. Yeah. Like, what does that mean? What does that matter? If we knew more about our sleep, what would we do differently? Would we go to bed at a consistent time or take steps to reduce interruptions to our sleep? With Sleepscore Apple Watch measures your bedtime consistency, interruptions and sleep duration. Then every morning it combines these factors into an easy to understand score from 1 to 100. So you'll know how to take the quality of your sleep from okay to very. High know your sleep score with Apple. Watch iPhone 11 or later required. All new drinks are now at McDonald's

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[Rob Anderson]

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[Paul Scheer]

Now, I. I also love this side plot of the. The Smashing Pumpkin. The Smashing Pumpkins tickets. It's. It's dangle. They have fifth row center for Smashing Pupkins. And I mean, look, again, we've talked about the boys here. Obviously this is a little bit with Logan, who. Who is. You know, I mean, this guy, like we said, he has five lines, but he's. He's present. He is present in the movie, but he makes the right choice. He declines. Coki's Cokie also made me laugh. Just to call any little. I mean, I know that's a name, but I also was thinking about, like, Cokey.

[Rob Anderson]

I don't know.

[Paul Scheer]

I was thinking like, a little Cokey. Like, I. No, the guy kind of fits. She's just a little. Like, she's a little. No.

[Rob Anderson]

Does fit. Her parents knew. Her parents knew.

[Paul Scheer]

She's a little Cokey. But yeah, no, this movie, it was funny because I was my. I was watching it in the other room and my sons who were playing Fortnite, so you couldn't get the best juxtaposition here. All I hear is this, what are you watching, dad? Because they heard the opening of hi, Rich Babysitters Club. We're busy. And I was like, the babysitter's Club? Like, for what? They were so upset that I was watching the Babysitters Club. And I was like, for. I have to watch it for unspooled. They're like, well, is it good? And I was like, so far, we'll see. And they both came in and they sat down and they did not move. And they were into it. And I was like, that really was interesting to me because I think that it's kind of this thing where you don't get movies that really deal with real teen issues. Either it's overblown or it's too kiddie. And this kind of falls right in the middle. So I feel like they're looking at girls who are about their age. They're about the boys that Are about their age. I was blown away by them. Just slack jawed watching this without any negativity at all.

[Rob Anderson]

It's incredible.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah. So I was like, that was really like. And I feel like that was the staying power of this movie in a way. I was like, this is pretty nuts. They're on board now. Did I have to field a million questions about diabetes afterwards?

[Rob Anderson]

Absolutely, they had questions about it. Okay.

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, yeah, yeah. They want to know, like, could I get diabetes?

[Rob Anderson]

I mean, that's so funny because the movie does make it seem like something that, that you need to watch out for, like aids.

[Paul Scheer]

It's like, you might, you might. Diabetes does feel like it is Delta aids for babysitters.

[Rob Anderson]

Really? I mean, we're joking. But they, it's kind of how they treated it in this movie. Like it really is the end all be all of her life, you know,

[Paul Scheer]

and it's, and it's, you know, it's like you gotta tell them that you have diabetes. Like, you can't watch kids without letting them know.

[Rob Anderson]

So what did you tell, what did you tell them about diabetes?

[Paul Scheer]

You know, and as much as I could speak, you know, off the top of my head about diabetes, I was like, I don't think you have to worry about it. It is a disease that people deal with. It is. And then I was like, it is very manageable. You see in the movie. It is manageable. I was like, so if you get it. But it's. I don't, I don't think you have to be worried about it right now. And you know, I just kind of.

[Rob Anderson]

It just kind of. They're like eating muffins. They're like, I gotta eat muffins to get rid of diabetes.

[Paul Scheer]

I can't get this diabetes. I just can't get it. Oh.

[Rob Anderson]

Oh, I love that. No, it is that movie. The. There is something magnetic about the premise of it, but all the things they're going through. And I remember even at this time, so I was a closeted gay kid. I mean, I loved the idea of girlhood. I couldn't have American girl dolls because I didn't even ask my mom for them, but I would not be seen with a doll. Like, boys didn't have dolls, right? And I think this was like the one thing that I could watch that felt like I could out loud watch it. So I was just obsessed with the girls. The girlies, being with the girlies.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah.

[Rob Anderson]

So it's interesting that it's like anyone that age kind of just finds this to be interesting. You know, exciting to watch.

[Paul Scheer]

I think it's always like, we watch Adventures in Babysitting, and they went bananas for it. They loved Adventures in Babysitting. Another babysitting movie. Again, babysitting is getting a lot of play. But I also know you're so amazing at breaking down this culture of the 90s. And I was thinking about this. Like, we said, it's right in the center, but as you have been watching these movies and TV shows and things like that, have you been able to at all? And if I'm setting you up for something you don't have an answer for, we can move past. But is there any kind of breakdown of where the 90s live? Where it's like, oh, the beginning was a little bit more like this, the middle got like this, and the end we're getting here. Like, I'm just curious from. And from these being a little bit fresher in your mind.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. I guess it depends on what genres we're discussing here, because if we're talking about kids movies or young adult movies, I think that they. I think they stayed pretty consistent throughout the decade. We had, like, Homeward Bound and Kid in King Arthur's Court and these, like, adventure type movies where, you know, there's kids that go on some sort of adventure.

[Paul Scheer]

I guess, like, Jumanji's in there, too. You know, that idea where it's like this fantastical journey. Right. It's like they're like Narnia, but not Narnia. Right. You know, it's like they're just going out and they're. They're doing something.

[Rob Anderson]

And. And parents are never involved. Like, I think that's why this babysitting theme is maybe attractive to kids, is like, oh, parents are gone. You know, let's have a summer camp, or don't tell mom the babysitter's dead, and I'm gonna get a job. And there's all these, okay, home alone parents aren't around. No, let's have fun. And that's a lot of the 90s kids movies or young movies.

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[Paul Scheer]

It's like they're dealing with something that maybe they're over their head with and that we're always gonna learn a little bit. Because the moral will be, you should have talked to your parents about this earlier. You would have gotten. Right. But it's like they're not trying to tell you that. Right. It's sort of like. It's like, it lets you kind of put that moral together. Cause I'm also thinking about movies like, they're like, in the 90s. I mean, this is my. This is my jam as far as, like, wow, you got weird ideas coming out at all times, and you got some great classics, but just like, you know, this is the 90s is a time where you could make a movie where, like, Al Pacino's the Devil trying to, like, convert Keanu Reeves. And then you have Michael Douglas who just has a bad day and starts killing people around la. And, you know, and then meanwhile, Kevin Costner is, you know, in a world of water. It's like, these are like. If you were to pitch them, you're like, oh, you could never get any of these movies made now. It's like American Beauty even. It's like, oh, that's creepy. I don't know if I'd do that. Like, you know, but you were like, these movies were. It was like. And this is what was like, front and center at the theater. It was like, we're going hard. And I love. I mean, that's what I love about these. And I feel like it's almost messed up my own version of like. Like what I like. Because what I think is popular, people look back on and go, that was trash. I'm like, what are you talking about? This is amazing. Sliver.

[Rob Anderson]

Well, parts of it probably were trash, but we have an attachment to them that they'll always be incredible to us. Totally. They were taking big swings in the 90s. They were just going for it because we didn't have this highly critical social media atmosphere that was picking things apart. And now we start making media knowing that it can be picked apart online and avoiding some of those things. So I love. It's a very pure time where we really were putting things out there that we just wanted, you know, they were putting them out there just for people to see it and something they wanted to make.

[Paul Scheer]

One of the things I always joke about is when my kids were in preschool, the teacher said this thing, and my wife and I say it now all the time, and she's like, you get what you get and you don't get upset. And that's how I felt about movies. You got what you got. You don't get. Like, there's no choice. You're going. You're it. Like, every move. Like, I remember an adult said to me, like, you like everything. I'm like, is there any other choice? Like, I didn't know that you couldn't like a movie. It's like, I'm in. I am on board with this.

[Rob Anderson]

It's better to Be that way. Like, don't you want. Wouldn't you prefer to be that way? I mean, as you get older, you start becoming someone that likes things a certain way. And I'm trying to avoid that. Like, you fly, lay down on a flight once, and now you can't ever go back again. I don't want to do that with movies.

[Paul Scheer]

No. And I feel like that's the thing. It's like, I feel like you always have to find a gem. Like, I also believe this. The fact that a movie is made requires so much attention to like it. It has to be good on some level. Like this idea like, oh, they shit these movies out. It's like, like people cared. No, like the process of making a movie is too hard for people not to care. Now, did it always get executed the right way? I don't know. It seems to me like this franchise does a very good job of introducing a world and characters and big. But also not like breaking free. It's like they don't find a closet and go to Narnia. They are just running a summer camp. It's a summer movie. It feels like they, you know, but the tremendous pressures that you're under to cast these people to make it look right. And you have these girls who are fans of the series, they're in this for the first time, like feeling like this pressure, like this Harry Potter pressure in a weird way. Because that I would imagine is the hardest thing to do. Like Rachel Leigh Cook grew up loving these books and now was in it, you know, and having to play this, I thought that was, you know, so interesting.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. And at the end of the movie, like you're saying it doesn't. There's not this miraculous discovery. It's actually they're all hovered around Christy, who's just dealt with her deadbeat dad abandoning her at the pier.

[Paul Scheer]

The monster.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah.

[Paul Scheer]

Remember when you ride the monster?

[Rob Anderson]

The monster. That was it. That was the roller coaster.

[Paul Scheer]

The monster, basically. Again, small town amusement park. But that monster sign that she is waiting under for, like, it looks like someone made it. Like, it's like a car wash sign. It is a hand painted sign. I'm like, don't go on any of these rides. I don't trust them.

[Rob Anderson]

No. Like, come on. They are not screwing in for the monster. Someone's gonna die on the monster. And at the end she, after all this, she's like, you guys are gonna. You must hate me. I can't believe you're friends with me. And they're like, you know what? You messed up this summer, but this was your summer to have this. And then next summer it'll be one of ours. And I'm like, that's just real. You know, they're keeping it real at the end of this.

[Paul Scheer]

By the way, the woman who plays Christy is Schuler Fisk, who is Sissy SpaceX's daughter. And so the way that she was cast was Sissy Spacek read the scenes with her. Like, was the other babysitter in the audition scenes. Wow. Like, so I love. I would love to have seen that tape of Sissy Spacek reading off of Schuller for this part. Like, just. I mean, talk about a great acting partner.

[Rob Anderson]

Oh, my God, why can't we see that? Why did we see Jojo Siwa's audition for God, what was the movie that she auditioned for that leaked?

[Paul Scheer]

Oh, my God. All I can think of is a Chris Prattle Tangled. Oh, my God, I need to see.

[Rob Anderson]

It was like. I mean, you don't really need to see it, but it's like if you're curious, she is doing a, you know, a read for Tangled and it's not good. Would have loved to see Sissy Spacek as a babysitter.

[Paul Scheer]

Did you? And if not, I can't wait to tell you about it. Have you seen Chris Klein's audition for Election?

[Rob Anderson]

No.

[Paul Scheer]

So this leaked a couple years ago, probably even longer than that. And it's. Oh, sorry. It's Chris Klein's audition for another movie. Damn. Hold on, let me find. Wait, hold on. I gotta tell you. Cause it's worth it. It's Mamma Mia. Okay, I'm gonna actually share screen here with you because this is going to blow your mind. And look, as an actor who has auditioned and I would never want my audition tapes out there, I have. I have such sympathy for this. But I also, as somebody who likes funny things, think this is probably one of the best things I've ever seen in my life. And here we go. Hey, by the way, you guys had Mandy Morin here. She is an angel of all angels. I don't know if you guys saw American Dreams that her and I did together where I too sing. Hopefully better here than I did there.

[Rob Anderson]

That was acting.

[Paul Scheer]

This may be slight singing, but she is just a dream come true.

[Rob Anderson]

You should hire her on the spot.

[Paul Scheer]

She's amazing. Anyway, that's my own personal I love Mandy Moore scenario. Let's go, shall we, before I embarrass myself further.

[Rob Anderson]

Here we go.

[Paul Scheer]

I wasn't jealous before we met. Now Every man that I see is a potential threat oh, no and I'm

[Rob Anderson]

possessive It isn't nice you heard me

[Paul Scheer]

saying that smoking was my only vice but now it isn't true oh, no now everything is new and all I've learned has overturned I beg of you.

[Rob Anderson]

Oh, my God.

[Paul Scheer]

So there you go. Just a little bit.

[Rob Anderson]

Wow. Wow. And this is a four minute clip, by the way.

[Paul Scheer]

Yeah, it keeps the whole song going.

[Rob Anderson]

Wow. I mean, I would have tried to bury that. I wouldn't have allowed that to hit YouTube.

[Paul Scheer]

And by the way, we should punish the casting director who let that out. I know Blake Lively was very active at trying to kill the dailies where it ends with that. That's more for lawsuit issues. But. But this, when I saw this, I was like, oh, God, no. Yeah, we don't like this.

[Rob Anderson]

What other reason would there be to release that other than to embarrass Chris Klein, which he doesn't. He seems like a nice guy.

[Paul Scheer]

You know, that's the thing about it that I think is actually lovely. Like, he is talking about Mandy Moore and it's like, what? Like, it's sweet. Like, it's sweet and it's. He's sweet. I have. He's not bad. And look, if you made me sing abba, I would mess it up as bad as that. You know, we all want to work. We all want to keep things going.

[Rob Anderson]

Wow.

[Paul Scheer]

So this has been amazing chatting with you about this. I also just want to, you know, as we've talked about the Babysitters Club, it's a movie that, you know, I think even in the last day when I've told people I'm doing it, they've been so excited about it. It was one of those things where even when we talked to our mutual friends, they were like, you really want to do it? Like, absolutely. It was your number one choice. And I was like, there's no doubt in my mind it is the one that we have to do. And I think it like, I feel like this is one of those movies that just lives in your insides. Cause when you were a kid, you have these. I watched that movie a billion times. It's there. It's like a go to movie. And I just want to know, because again, you do such great breakdowns. What are other movies that you would like? What's your little bit of Your Rushmore, your 90s Rushmore? I would say of like, they don't have to be the best movies, but just movies that you enjoy. Like this

[Rob Anderson]

Heavyweights is up there going along the lines of the theme of your parents are gone and you're having a good time. I guess I just loved summer camp movies. Cause Camp Nowhere is also up there for me.

[Paul Scheer]

Did you salute your shorts? Have you ever watched Salute Shorts of Nickel? I mean, great comedian.

[Rob Anderson]

I was a big Nickelodeon guy. Cause we Disney Channel was an upgrade and my parents wouldn't pay for it. So everything Nickelodeon is mine and I missed out on everything Disney. But I've been rewatching those lately.

[Paul Scheer]

No, but me too. I mean, Nickelodeon was like the, like Nickelodeon is MAD TV to SNL's to SNL. Right. It was like they did things differently and the kids were a little bit like. My parents like forbid me to watch. You can't do that on television. Like just stop. Can't watch this guy barf anymore. They were like, what is this? This is like so offended. But Nickelodeon pushed it. I feel like they were always a little bit more blue. Not blue, but just like they were more hard edged.

[Rob Anderson]

Yeah. They didn't have this massive corporation behind them making sure that it was manicured in a way. And so you know, you got some misses here and there. But I watched everything on Nickelodeon. What else from the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers.

[Paul Scheer]

Ooh, okay. Yes, great.

[Rob Anderson]

The movie that came out was a big one for me. Ivan Ooze, gay icon, Brave Little Toaster. I saw that one a ton traumatic.

[Paul Scheer]

Loved it.

[Rob Anderson]

Did you get into Brave Little Toaster?

[Paul Scheer]

I did, I did. And like these are the movies that broke you. Like, like my. Was it My Robot or Gentle Big Robot? The, the whatever. The robot movie. That's from the 90s too. Gent. I'm messing it up. The Iron Giant. Sorry. Wow.

[Rob Anderson]

Okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Paul Scheer]

Right. These are movies. But then I, I mean I wept like nobody's business at that new robot movie that was like the robot is like left in the wood with a little baby. And I can't remember the name of it right now, but it just came out like last year.

[Rob Anderson]

It's the baby duck that flies away.

[Paul Scheer]

Yes. Yeah. Like, I mean these. I'm. I am predisposed. I will cry at anything. I will cry at this movie. I like, like I.

[Rob Anderson]

The Wild Robot.

[Paul Scheer]

Wild Robot, yes. See the giant robot. Yeah. Iron. Yeah, Iron Giant. Wild Robot. I will cry. Like movies like this make me cry. I think I like to come to movies like this. Cause it kind of like even when her dad, who's a complete scumbag and ditches her on her birthday and is hiding out in a van, like when he does write that letter. I mean, it is a letter, too. It's not even a final moment. He's just like, man, she's like. And he writes more letters now. That's all she gets is just a couple more letters.

[Rob Anderson]

Yep. Yeah. And that's better than it was before. But I think it just, you know, it's this lesson. You can't trust men.

[Paul Scheer]

You get what you get, and you don't get upset from your dads.

[Rob Anderson]

That's it. You get what you get, and you don't get upset. You know, when you rattle off all the movies that. This came ninth under the box office. That upset me because, I mean, Mortal Kombat number one and terrible, Terrible. The Net, to me is a classic. I can't hate on the Net.

[Paul Scheer]

Love the Net.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes. And I just feel like the Babysitter's Club was better than a lot of those movies. Ninth at the box office.

[Paul Scheer]

I mean, this is. And it's coming. It's like, this is, you know, Walk of the Clouds. I don't think that that movie is gonna have as many legs as this Mandy Moore. Right? That's the Mandy Moore one, you know. You know, like Apollo 13. Sure. But that's, like, on a couple weeks out. But. But I'm like, yeah, Mortal Kombat and Dangerous Minds and Walk in the Clouds. These are movies. I would say those three movies do not have.

[Rob Anderson]

I don't even know Walk in the Clouds.

[Paul Scheer]

Like, Walk in the Clouds, I'm pretty sure is like a Mandy Moore movie. Just. It's like a very. Like a melodrama kind of. Yeah. Oh, that's a walk to remember. A Walk in the clouds.

[Rob Anderson]

Oh, my God. Wait, I know. A Walk to Remember. Okay. That is an iconic movie.

[Paul Scheer]

That is pretty good.

[Rob Anderson]

Interestingly, I'll say that.

[Paul Scheer]

Okay. A Walk in the Clouds is Keanu Reeves about. When a soldier, Paul Sutton, is on a way home From World War II, he realizes that he barely knows his young wife, Deborah Messing. And he's. So basically, he falls in love with a beautiful woman. But it also looks like Keanu is 15 in this, and it's. He's wearing a very big hat. I do remember this one. I've. I've reshelved this when I worked at Blockbuster a lot. I never watched A Walk in the Clouds. Currently, it has a. Let's see, it has a 6.7. It has a. It currently has a 46% on rotten tomatoes, so. But a 4 out of 4 on laundry tomato. Not great. Not great. Not great at all.

[Rob Anderson]

Nope, not a. Probably wouldn't recommend that one, I guess.

[Paul Scheer]

Now, Rob, you are on all the things. You are on Instagram @heartrobanderson. You are also on Twitter, Martrob, TikTok, Hartrobert, and YouTube. Rob Anderson. What else do you want people to know about where they can find you? Because I think if you're not following you on one of these many platforms, you should.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, well, it's Heartthrob. It's like a play on Heartthrob. In my name in it, so. Got it.

[Paul Scheer]

So I've said it wrong.

[Rob Anderson]

I'm like, rethinking all of my handle choices. I'm like, wait, have people not been catching on?

[Paul Scheer]

Now it's me just reading like a monkey looking at a teleprompter. I'm, like, trying to make sure I don't mess it up. Smart, Rob Heartthrob. Anderson. Heartthrobbert.

[Rob Anderson]

Yes, and yeah, exactly.

[Paul Scheer]

We're gonna link this all in the show bios. Don't worry about me.

[Rob Anderson]

But that's where you can find me.

[Paul Scheer]

And if you're more information, you just go to your website and you can find out when you'll be on tour again. And your special once again is dropping on your YouTube on June 3rd. I cannot wait to watch it. By the way, I've seen clips of your performances. You are playing these giant venues. It's like, it is a show. I gotta come see you next time. Because every time I've seen a clip, I'm just like, this is a show that I would like to be at. And this looks so fun.

[Rob Anderson]

You are so welcome to come to any of my shows. I mean, this has been a dream. Having listened to your pods for years. This is a dream. Coming here and talking about babysitter's Club, of all things. So this has been such a treat.

[Paul Scheer]

Seriously, I am thrilled. And Are youe afraid of the 90s? On Rob's YouTube on June 3rd. Thank you, Rob, for being here.

[Rob Anderson]

Claudia wasn't the only one with the test this summer. Each of us was tested in our own way. We really learned what it meant to come through for each other and how hard that can be. But I guess that's what it takes sometimes to really be a friend. My mom says if you can count the number of friends you have on one hand, that's a lot. Well, I've got five fingers and more than five friends.

[Paul Scheer]

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