Why America MUST Win The Race To Space | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 240

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Unsubscribe Podcast Ep. 240

Why America MUST Win The Race To Space

Original Air Date: November 23, 2025
Host: Eli Doubletap
Co-hosts: Brandon Herrera, Donut Operator, The Fat Electrician
Notable Guests:

• Jared Isaacman (entrepreneur, pilot, spaceflight veteran, former NASA nominee)
• Senator Tim Sheehy (veteran, entrepreneur, politician)

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Episode Overview

This special installment of the Unsubscribe Podcast dives deep into why the United States must maintain its leadership in space. Hosted on location in a glamorous jet hangar, the episode features the colorful panel’s unfiltered conversation about space innovation, American competitiveness, military and entrepreneurial journeys, the future of space travel, and the intersection of private and public efforts in pushing humanity forward. With guests like Senator Tim Sheehy and Jared Isaacman, the team explores topics ranging from the brutal realities of politics and business, to the existential need for space exploration.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Meet the Guests: High-Flying Backgrounds

• Senator Tim Sheehy's Path:
  • Grew up learning to fly at age 8 from a Navy pilot neighbor (08:07)
  • Became both a Ranger and Navy SEAL; did multiple deployments in the GWOT
  • Met his Marine wife at the Naval Academy; shared a mail-order marriage story due to deployments (09:19)
  • Transitioned from wounded warrior to wildfire-fighting entrepreneur, then into politics (10:03)
  • Described the punishing whirlwind of running for the Senate, including being the subject of smear campaigns (16:00)
• Jared Isaacman’s Journey:
  • Childhood obsessed with flight and space, built first business at 16, father joined him as a partner (29:40)
  • Founded what's now a $10B fintech empire, started with a $10K gift from his grandfather (40:11)
  • Built a private air force, Draken: at one point the 12th largest in the world (34:16)
  • Pioneered commercial air combat training for the DoD, then pivoted to commercial spaceflight (38:09)
  • Been to space twice with SpaceX; led historic private missions and organized record-setting charity events for St. Jude (47:55, 119:36)

2. The Realities and Purpose of Political Service

• Sheehy discussed Congress as the “people’s branch”—messy by design, not popular but fundamental (10:09)
• Heavy toll described: $325M spent on his Senate race, “life in the woodchipper,” and press vilification (16:00, 17:04)
• Commentary on the need for a new generation in politics—not for sale, up-to-speed, service-driven (21:38, 22:24)
• On bipartisanship in space: “We gotta fix this country, gotta reorient towards American excellence…and that means a new generation of leaders.” – Sheehy (25:43)

3. Veteran Advocacy & Victim Culture

• Sheehy countered the “veteran victim culture,” endorsing mission and achievement for veterans after service (19:07)

  “We’re veterans, not victims…when we come back, …the best thing we can do is give them a mission, give them a career, not free stuff.” (19:56)

4. From Garage Startups to the Edge of Space

• Isaacman’s entrepreneurial lesson: Intensity and sacrifice are non-negotiable in launching successful ventures. (43:54)
• Story of buying fighter jets from countries worldwide; “Until you’ve bought jets from a Middle Eastern country, you have no idea what corruption is like. We’re actually pretty good.” (34:16)
• On scaling disruptive business: “Fix a problem, build a better solution, make sure the model makes money—opportunity is everything.” (41:06)

5. Space Exploration: Urgency and Inspiration

• Both guests highlighted the existential, strategic, and economic necessity of American space leadership (54:01)

  “If we didn’t have reusable rockets, China would absolutely be putting more rockets in space than us—by far. And it’s the ultimate high ground.” – Isaacman (54:01)

• Isaacman praised the private sector (SpaceX, Blue Origin) but stressed a continued vital NASA role: “NASA has to pioneer, then hand it off to industry…Let the government do what nobody else can.” (52:37)
• Risk taken by past generations—faster, bolder, more ambitious—held up as an example for what’s needed today (85:00)
• Reusability as a transformative innovation: “Imagine if you threw away the 737 every time you flew to Disneyland.” (56:57)
• On commercial space’s positive economic side effects: “Thousands of engineers on earth—fueling our economy.” (60:10)
• Supporting both solving earth’s problems and pushing for Mars: “You have no idea what benefits this will bring back home.” (60:20)

6. Spacewalks, Human Factors, and the Cosmos

The Spacewalk Experience (63:24)

• Isaacman described the intensity:

  “You poke your head out, and it’s earth in your face—a big sensory thing. Looking into darkness, it was…unsettling. You appreciate the vastness of space, and everything is trying to kill you.” (73:40)

• Training to denitrogenate to avoid the bends (“decompression sickness”) without an airlock—new regime developed for private crew (68:47)

• The psychological strain and risks of long-duration missions to Mars: “If you don’t get the right people, you’ll have a Lord of the Flies event on Mars.” (98:18)

• The prospect of returning from Mars/long missions: “Robots are the only answer. But I come back to—get some nuclear spaceships.” (99:07)

7. Competition from China and the New Space Race

• “China is moving incredibly fast on every important technological domain—at SpaceX speeds. It’s scary.” – Isaacman (86:48)
• Bureaucratic risk-aversion and politically-driven industrial policy have throttled American innovation (87:40)
• Strategic case for nuclear propulsion: “If we don’t, we’ll watch China do it—and then Russia.” (81:14, 116:04)

8. The Search for Life & the Meaning of Exploration

• The odds of life—“I believe there’s life out there, absolutely. And if we conclusively find microbial life on Mars or Europa, it changes everything.” (90:06)
• On the “Goldilocks Zone” and the adaptability of life, resisting anthropocentric arguments around habitability (92:11)

9. Popular Culture & Sci-Fi: Fuel for the Imagination

• Isaacman’s favorite sci-fi: Battlestar Galactica (“it checks all the boxes”) (117:53)
• Panel’s other picks: Starship Troopers, The Three-Body Problem, Cowboy Bebop (118:26)
• The fusion of science, fantasy, and real-life aspiration throughout the conversation

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reusable Rockets & High Ground

  “Thank goodness for reusable rockets, in order to keep this edge. But we won’t hold it forever—we need to keep pushing forward.” — Jared Isaacman (54:01)

• On the Cost of Political Life

  “We were the Omaha Beach race…The Dems knew, for sure, this was going to be the firewall. It was the landing craft on Omaha Beach.” — Tim Sheehy (16:00)

• On Veteran Service

  “We’re veterans, not victims…The best thing we can do when we get home is give them a mission, give them a career, not free stuff.” — Tim Sheehy (19:56)

• On Seeing Earth from Space

  “It was overwhelming…Most people generally agree, it is rather unsettling—everything you’re looking at is trying to kill you.” — Isaacman (73:40)

• On the Need for Leadership

  “I want America to win in space. Inspire generations to do even cooler things—because of what the pioneers in the 1960s accomplished.” — Isaacman (117:24)

• On Mars and the Human Element

  “Mars is a planet. You’ll work your ass off your whole life to just survive. Every day will be miserable…It’s going to be tough as hell.” — Isaacman (97:01)

• On Charity & Making a Difference

  “Spacex’s vision is— the world is more interesting when people can journey among the stars. St. Jude’s vision is—no child should die in the dawn of life. I subscribe to both, one hundred percent.” — Isaacman (120:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 08:07 — Tim Sheehy’s formative years, Navy pilot neighbor
• 09:19 — Military deployments, mail-order marriage anecdote
• 10:09 — The fraught nature of Congress and political service
• 16:00 — The most expensive Senate race “Omaha Beach”
• 19:56 — Veterans, mission over victimhood
• 25:43 — On generational change and American excellence
• 29:40 — Isaacman’s early entrepreneurship, business with father
• 34:16 — Building a private air force, “buying jets from a Middle Eastern country”
• 43:54 — On the intensity and sacrifice needed for business
• 47:55 — Relationship with Elon Musk, serving as NASA nominee
• 54:01 — The strategic importance of reusable rockets; China threat
• 63:24 — Spacewalk preparation and experience
• 68:47 — Dangers of decompression, astronaut health
• 73:40 — Looking into the void on a spacewalk: “unsettling”
• 86:48 — China’s space and high-tech pace, warning
• 90:06 — Life in the universe, Goldilocks Zone
• 98:18 — Psychological risks of long-term Mars missions
• 117:53 — Sci-fi favorites: Battlestar Galactica
• 120:36 — St. Jude and combining charity with exploration

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Final Thoughts

This marathon conversation delivered both laughter and hard truths, neatly weaving personal stories with the wider mission of why space matters—not just for national security, but for the spirit of possibility itself. Isaacman and Sheehy stand as emblematic of a new guard: doers, not talkers, who see space not as a luxury but as the next necessary step for all humankind.

“We are destined to go out and explore. Our star, at some point, is going to gobble us up. … That journey is nothing compared to what’s out there. And we’re just getting started.” — Jared Isaacman (76:09)

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To follow Jared Isaacman:

• X (Twitter): @
• Netflix miniseries: “Countdown” (about Inspiration4)
• Charity: St. Jude (featured in mission)

Ways to support:

• Profits from podcast merch and collaborations go to Veterans and childhood medical charities, including St. Jude.

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There your next move can you do jurassic park you have the jets start.

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Jurassic park most people generally agree it is rather unsettling because everything you're looking at is trying to kill you the.

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Goldilocks zone you'll have oh earth this.

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Mother watched two documentaries and is trying to gaslight us you're just trying to impress the wizard man no dude i.

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Little premature over there worry about me.

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Hi everyone welcome to the unsubscribe podcast i'm joined today by eli double tap senator tim shahy i'm gonna fuck this.

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Up it's she he like the pronouns damn it yeah i was a he she way before it was cool to.

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Be both me yeah you're you're fired.

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Jared didn't even get through the intro you screwed it up in the intro this guy's a professional i don't know.

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Be talking for an hour and a.

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Half all right mister ranger navy seal pilot all right jared isaacman brandon herrera myself donut operator thank you so much for being here today i know what.

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You'Re thinking what's with this backdrop well jared gave us a new hanger it's crazy we shook on it i was.

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Going to say before before anybody on the podcast accuses this of being a green screen.

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The jet blows up oh that's on brandon that was on brandon's time not on ours brandon's in servitude forever five generations of herreras working for.

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You congratulations you have mexican indentured servants.

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We had a day thanks to jared we got to do some we gotta fly in some jets and now we're hanging out drinking brother holy shit this is wild first off and then every i have like a million questions that have been holding on to you have guys and gals this this and then there's a star wars cantina on the.

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Second floor i thought brandon was fucking with me when he said that jared had a cantina yeah i was like oh i think okay cool he's got some star wars posters on the wall no no it is the cantina from fucking star wars it's awesome and again.

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This is like you go to disneyland to see or disney world to see this level of cantina which is funny.

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Because designers in yeah yep because i.

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Said that right out the gate but you said you actually like snipe some imagineers yeah yeah yeah so it looks right it does i mean it looks fucking incredible no but this is this has been awesome this is actually a podcast that i've been wanting to do i've been asking the guys for a while because like when when the first time i came up to to do this stuff with you gu had no clue your background or what all you guys did up here and the more i learned the more i'm like this guy is the most interesting man in the world like i really wanted to sit down and have this conversation so i'm excited personally yeah i don't i.

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Don'T know about the most interesting guy right it was absolutely a ton of fun to get fly with you guys today so we got to make up one more shorty tomorrow but we're getting.

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There i'm not that interesting says man sitting in giant hangar with jets all.

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Right asterisk his hangar i know his.

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Jets with the cantina upstairs i know.

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It'S okay yeah we we all we all flew today except cody who out.

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Hey you know what i like you.

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You'Re a nice guy oh now i feel bad no weather weather got in the way but the weather got in.

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The way i gave my wife the first flight like i wanted moody to have her her time on the flight and then yeah it started getting a little bit darker and like weather just kind of up everything but we dude.

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We had such a such a good.

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Time just being here and hanging out.

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With you man thank you like seriously thank you dude like jared thank you that was a blast so we appreciate.

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It no we love doing it so glad you guys got to come out and experience it flew a lot of different types of fun aircraft so this is good for us we're getting ready to fly a bunch next year so.

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How do you know the senator here.

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Well we're hangar mates for a little.

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Story yeah we've known each other for years and all those gray hangars there are mine that's my company that well used to be not anymore now i'm government employee again but before i reentered government service all those gray hangers there are mine that have firefighting planes in them so we got to know each other through this and then some charity stuff we did together for a few organizations so you guys are big into.

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Nonprofits and charity work like really big i know you do st judes yeah.

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Yeah i do a lot with saint jude but thanks to the senator here he reintroduced me just prior to the first mission where he reintroduced me to space camp we both went senator went a bunch and he's telling me they were having some tough times during the during the pandemic where like david i mean a beautiful little rocket museum there some extraordinary saturn v there and some of this was falling into various states of disrepair and the center stepped in helped save a pathfinder space shuttle and and thanks to his introduction he's able to make some donations you get them.

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Get the dome again too dude and again not that interesting well my first spacewalk yeah brother stop if we can.

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Just start from the beginning for people who don't know anything about your story like where where did you start out what kind of got you in because.

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He has to leave that's why i.

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Was like i have to go in like three minutes i'm here simply because i happen to be here so you're.

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No you're like a battlefield you start.

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With start with the senator yeah i.

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Know that's like i think this is.

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Technically the first senator we've had on the podcast yes i feel like that's.

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True yeah we had a governor yeah.

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We had a yeah we had a governor we're not not a senator yet.

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So yeah there's a reason why we're not very exciting this motherfucker but you're.

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You'Re everything you like i'm going to do seal ranger fly planes well so.

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I grew up flying my neighbor growing up was a navy pilot so he started teaching me how to fly when i was about eight he was a korean war skyraider which most people don't know about the skyraider everyone knows the world war two war birds and then they know the next generation you know like the plane behind us here the f five the f fourteen s all that but the skyraider was part of this kind of interim era of planes and it was like the a ten of its era and for those of us who fought you know in gwat the a ten was the ultimate close air support weapon came in that epic cannon you hear sounds like canvas ripping and the a one was that and the korean war and he flew those and he started teaching me how to fly planes when i was a kid so i went to the naval academy to be a fighter pilot like all children of the eighties you know i want to be maverick of course and then ended up getting talked into the special ops route so went into the seal community and yeah did the rangers as well and then did several deployments during the war my wife was a marine we met at the academy i was a mail order husband actually believe it or not she picked me right out of a catalog no we met at the essex seals weekly shirtless photo the american flag speedo you know like that burt reynolds on the bear rug.

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She got mister july yes exactly right.

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Ordered february i know perpetual disappointment to this day so like i ordered the other month but no we we were deployed so much in a part it was like forty five days across six years we actually saw each other so we got married through the mail and then yeah long story ended up got injured got wounded got out and i started my companies right one hundred yards from this hangar here which is how jared and i kind of got to know each other and the mission was to bring that close air support model we kind of perfected in the special ops community and bring that to wildfire so we had built a company from scratch here with some other veterans and yeah and then eventually got talked into throwing my life in the wood chipper and going into politics dude hey brandon how do you feel about that he.

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Knows all about that yeah i feel like nobody here at this table knows better than you exactly how much of a wood chipper that is it is.

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Yeah and you know folks on the outside love to hate elected officials especially congress we're like the least popular body in the nation but when you look at our relationship with our congressional body back to the beginning of our nation we were the first country really to believe in a powerful legislative organization i mean article one of the constitution is congress and as much as we all love to hate it it is the people's branch especially the house of representatives that's the people's expression of power to the government and as annoying as can be as dysfunctional as can be as winston churchill said democracy is the worst form of government except for all the others and it's messy and whether you're watching jasmine crockett every day you know or somebody else you're like what the hell are these people doing there you know they're there to represent the will of people and it's messy but it's messy for a reason because self rule.

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Is messy i too open twitter just to edge my aneurysm and watch jasmine.

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Crockett.

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You went rewind just a bit you navy seal and then got accepted into ranger school you were one no.

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No no rangers first so when i was at the naval academy i was part of a program so at the naval academy you get picked for your service selection so when you're at the service academies you got picked okay you're going to go west point you'd be a infantry artillery pilot whatever naval academy would be a marine you'll be a fighter pilot submarines and if you're picked to go seals that's kind of a multi year selection process you have to go through what's called mini buds it's called something else now by the time it's mini buds and then a screening process and they basically put you through kind of a hell week before you go to buds to make sure you're going to make it and in that process there was kind of an integration going in our special ops community where you know army and navy special ops are being integrated like they never really were ever before and prior to gwat the special ops groups you know whether it was green berets rangers delta sf well they're green berets you know air force special ops seals segregated they all did their own thing and they rarely were totally integrated and gwat saw the kind of development of you know the joint special operations task force where everyone just got jammed in together and we're all one team one fight and the oddballs out of that were really the seals just because we did everything different we were water based ran were different weapons sops so there was an effort.

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To.

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Start bridging that gap and i was part of that so i was privileged to go through ranger training ranger school ranger regiment training airborne recon training all that stuff and oh god they.

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Put you through that ring they did.

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I'M a glutton for punishment you know rangers seals politics yeah you went through.

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Rip and then you went to buds.

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Yeah oh buddy yeah it was fun you did rip too yeah so it was the regiment you did rip and ranger school yeah well i mean pretty much all the guys in regiment do.

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I well yeah but i know but they don't also then do buds yes that's true yeah and then fly a plane yeah that's the big difference between.

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Everything like getting kicked in the nuts.

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That'S why he ran for office yes and i married a marine too to make sure that you know she'll ensure i get kicked in the nuts anytime deviation from standards is observed so you're.

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Like man she's delivered to one of.

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Our kids into her own hands like like caught caught her like a football like didn't make a peep either it was like back of the truck i'm like jesus there we go we're done the hospital still charged me for the full like labor and delivery bill you know like because you would still go to the hospital to make sure it's all good you get the bill at the end they don't give you a discount for self delivery in the parking lot that's just so you know just fyi if you ever have kids they.

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Probably don't have that little coupon in.

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The register my wife's going into labor sir there's a baby in your hand yes wash it do things that's wild.

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Got a free blanket though no you.

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Got you got an amazing family man i was telling like before we got on the podcast i was talking about your son tried to kill me with a lightsaber earlier we all got chopped.

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In half by your son that's par for the course yeah he's a warrior i mean you're lucky at clothes on normally he's completely naked like an old like seems like a yes yep that's about par for the course yeah if he's got pants on it's a good.

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Day.

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Same brother so so guys imagine him but just like this tall with a lightsaber just swinging it at all of us yeah yeah dude he's a wild man congratulations man thank you you're a beautiful family yep and you i.

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Mean dude again that career is wild both of you both like everyone here is just it makes me feel like a piece of shit because i'm like nah i gotta work harder you gotta.

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Work harder you got great hair though.

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I know some good hair holy shit.

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Oh gray hair no i said great hair you got good looking hair it's.

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A good you got gray hair i.

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Was like i know he was just.

[E]

Telling eli your time has passed i too did gwad fucking ancient so what year did you get out of the.

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Military so active duty got out kind of in twenty fourteen then i stayed i did like reserve recruiting for naval officers and nsw for a while and then then was all ranching in business for a few years and now back in the government damn couldn't resist i.

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Don'T know how you went back which.

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Is crazy too because because you went from never having run for any sort of office whatsoever to going straight to senate which for those who don't know i thought i jumped in the deep end of the pool by having never run for office and then going for house which is a pretty big jump senate is a completely different ballpark that is a much more expensive race a much more watched race i mean you said earlier they spent over three hundred million dollars yes we were the most.

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Expensive race in the history of mankind on a per vote basis here like goofy three hundred twenty five million dollars so it was more expensive to buy a tv commercial in montana like a year ago today than in las vegas new york louisiana anywhere we're the most expensive media market in the nation because you know we were the omaha beach race so our race was going to determine control of the senate now we ended up with a fifty three seat majority but keep in mind dave mccormick had a two week count off bernie won by you know less than one percent so margin of error we were the race that the dems knew for sure this was going to be the firewall so i mean they spared no expense it was it was it was the landing craft on omaha beach man that's it was it was non stop and they tear apart your life anything you've ever done i mean every newspaper article about me before june of twenty twenty three was oh you know war veteran family man philanthropist job creator firefighter you know in every article after july of twenty three is you know he's a scammer he's a crook he's a liar he's a dog kicker i know brandon yes you know exactly what i'm.

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Talking about they they grasp at anything they can what's funny is that like it doesn't matter if they believe it because you know they don't yeah they just they grab at anything they can to make just to see what sticks they're like all right which thing do people actually believe oh okay people run with that let's do that and you.

[B]

Can have twenty people lined up that will sing your praises and one like random hobo on the street that some guy pays five bucks you know or gave him you know a bag of crack and like he says you're a bad dude and they interview that guy for the washington post and they're like this guy's a credible source he says tim's an asshole like well obviously he is this guy's credible let's put him on the frontline news you know tim.

[C]

Sheehy sold me fentanyl behind the the target that's exactly right right next to.

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Elmo yeah i give homeless guys crack all the time talk bad about totally.

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Political opponents exactly it's a it's a.

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Your good friend yeah you know i.

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I i i give them some crack and i'm like hey the cop over there has copper in his veins you should try to get that copper out of his veins and i try yeah they go with it where's the camera.

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Angle cut brandon just slowly slides out of frame he's like i didn't represent.

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That comment he's like and cody's talking.

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Again it was wild watching being on our side which we don't deal with politics but seeing what brandon went through on just jokes and then how the media would just be like nope dude hates veterans as he sits next to veterans and a veteran podcast who raised.

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Money next to a purple heart recipient and then three other veterans beside him it was like no he hates veterans.

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He hates veterans i made a comment at a veterans town hall you know as a also a purple heart recipient you know and you know i said hey as veterans you know because i'm sick and tired of the veteran victim culture you know they come home and like oh my god give me a blanket i mean like listen like we all volunteered we'll all volunteer force and we're veterans not victims so when we come back there are certain things that we need and we earned and we deserve yes that does not include all of the above whatever the i want forever free shit you know emotional support dogs at every street corner blankets wrapped around me a free job candy you know halloween costumes and a fucking free car all right no like come home get a job get a mission and live your life and continue to serve your country now yes if you got.

[A]

Injured you got wounded you got issues.

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One hundred percent we need to stand behind you the va is there to serve those veterans who deployed to combat who have service connected disabilities come home and need support it is not there to be a catch all like you know campus support program for any need i need new insoles for my shoes go to fucking foot locker like the rest of us like you know and the victim culture has permeated way too much and we gotta put a stop to it and people wanna talk about veterans yeah because they're convinced in their head that they have nowhere else to go they're veterans they're broken and no they're not broken they're not broken they're strong great patriots who volunteered to serve and the best thing we can do when they get home is give them a mission give them a career not give them free stuff and i've said that repeatedly like i'm saying now and they clip that and say oh jim hates veterans i'm like i'm married to a combat veteran i am a combat veteran multiple tourists all i'm saying is we as veterans have a higher bar when we get home and that bar is not give me free shit give me a lifetime of handouts give me a lifetime of benefit programs no it's come home and continue to serve your country continue to achieve and make the nation proud again again but it doesn't.

[C]

Matter what you said it matters what they can pay enough money to make people think that's exactly right yeah no.

[B]

It didn't work i still won by a lot my opponent was not a veteran so him claiming i was anti veteran when he had never served a day in his life and me and my wife were both combat vets it didn't really hold any water but to your point it was something they could grab and run with and so you're entering the crucible again thank you for doing it i mean we need our generation to step in and serve in elected office it's a thankless job but thank you for doing it well no.

[C]

I mean i feel like you need more people that are a again like in more our generation and less one hundred eighty years old but still for whatever reason being the people in charge of regulating bitcoin like that that is.

[A]

A problem who's bitcoin.

[B]

How many bitcoins can i fit in my wallet none.

[C]

Just just listening to my listening to the hearings about you know facebook or you know meta or anything like that and just like oh my god like we we need help we need we need some serious help but no on top of that i just feel like not only that but people who aren't for sale which seems to be the prevailing i don't know not to speak ill of your colleagues but there's a lot of it going around well listen.

[B]

I mean the reality is we were built to be a citizen republic republic is a word we hear it floats around but democracy never appears once in the constitution that word is important it matters but we are a republic first and foremost and that's a form of government that is very fragile and has never succeeded over the long term and there's all these ran i mean iran is an islamic republic you know i mean you know i think north korea calls themselves a democratic people's republic you know so there's lots of republics out there but truly a nation that is run by regular citizens who choose to stand up and volunteer their time and service to shape the future of their children of our economy of the greatest nation in the world this is the only country where that has really worked at scale for a long time and yes i'm sure someone listening will dig up like some random ass nordic country with two million people in it that all of a sudden they've been a republic for four hundred years okay all right fine all right but not the biggest economy largest nation in history of the world like you know this has not worked at scale ever for this amount of time and that's special and it's also tough it doesn't come easily it comes at a cost comes cost of me throwing my life in the wood chipper you throwing your life in the wood chipper maybe these guys probably not this guy he's too ugly but you know maybe you know this guy trying to you know enter our government and run you know the next generation of space exploration what is it like.

[C]

A republic if you can keep it.

[B]

That'S exactly as ben franklin said as he left independence hall what form of you what government have you given us mister franklin he said a republican republic if you can keep it because he knew that it was so perishable and every time it had been tried it had collapsed under its own weight well i get like one day a month to eat dinner with my grandkids i'm here for this guy because we've known each other years we weren't particularly close it wasn't like we were like going camping together but we knew each other and space camp was having a problem during COVID and as he said i donated a good deal of money to help restore some rockets and keep the camp open and you know i was a successful business guy but you know there are limits to what you can afford and they outlined to me the scope of their financial challenges and i said you know what i got some money but i know another guy who's got a lot more money than i got let me give him a call and i called jared and to his credit right away no hesitation said absolutely i'm going to get involved we're going to make a difference and he's continued to have that attitude about so many things throughout his life and obviously recently for the past several months as i'm sure you've seen in the news he's been called on to serve our country again and although there's been some drama around that i think we're navigating through that he's got a future as part of this american renaissance we're feeling which i don't care where you are on the political spectrum left right center up down red blue i don't give a we gotta fix this country we gotta reorient our country back towards american excellence and just kicking ass in every way possible and that means we need frankly a new generation of leaders getting into the system and he's part of that so when he reached out and said hey i'm considering coming back in and i said i'll do whatever i can to support you not because we're friends not because i get anything from this because i don't i simply care about getting the best people possible into our government to make sure that our kids future is as great you know as.

[C]

It possibly can be and i'm looking forward to waking up and reading the news article where you have voted yes on his confirmation hearing as director of.

[B]

Nasa yes i already did actually i introduced him yeah this that we already did v one of this you know where i introduced him at his hearing and let me back up i'm looking.

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Forward to take two yes perfect yes.

[B]

Yes me too so anyways elder breakfast he's top of the pile best guy around so thanks guys for making trip to montana last best place greatest day in the union so have fun while.

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You'Re here where do we find you.

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Where does the internet find you if they have any questions or anything for.

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Tim four mt dot com tim sheehy dot com go there and check it out call our office anytime so sometimes i work the phones in my office myself so i might be the one picking up the phone asking you what's.

[E]

Your problem today well if i lived here i vote for you all right i also if you were a democrat.

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You could vote for him anyway yes.

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Exactly yeah all right see you guys.

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Have fun such a pleasure brother brandon brandon cody call him the one word.

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Back yeah senator sheehy had to run and go save some orphans from a burning building but yeah you know checks out yeah yeah yeah that is wild.

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That is a a military career that's why when you're like well you jump straight to center i was like it's like a hell of a lot of different things that i want to he.

[C]

Had a hell of a military career a hell of a civilian career and then a hell of a political career right out the gate it's like the guy just doesn't miss yeah yeah and.

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Then he saved some fire for some.

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Babies yeah i was going to say like his civilian career as an entrepreneur is water bombing fires and saving towns and schools from burning down he's had an unbelievable career literally did yeah that.

[E]

Is wild amazing human and now we get to talk to you that's why we're like hold on for the good questions far less interesting shut the space walks are you talking about jets everything i don't even know as brandon said earlier it is rewind to at what age this begin because we've heard of it from random people but i would love at what young age it started we're like i'm gonna just kindergarten i.

[A]

Mean it's just really so my older brothers and sisters i mean fifteen years older thirteen years older eight years older i was raised really independent so like i mean the babysitter was watching movies like top gun right stuff space camp it was a really really good movie and yeah and from kindergarten i was like i want to be an astronaut and then as i grew up i was like well that's not going to happen so i'll be a pilot i built my first computer to fly like a flight simulator like that's so it's been a passion since i was really really little and tv's fault your first.

[E]

Business was at fifteen sixteen sixteen yeah and that's where you were like hey i'm going to do i mean if you want to go into that because i think even that what you want to talk about but your dad would sit with you at your business meetings.

[A]

Is that true no so i mean he had to he had to drive me place i didn't i was i mean i started the company when i was sixteen it's in payments so our customers are most of the restaurants hotels stadiums theme parks in this country now we're global we're in six different continents but yeah so it's fintech it's kind of interesting but nothing like obviously fighter jets in space but started that when i was sixteen my father left his company to come join me so working with him was definitely one of the most rewarding experience of my life i learned a ton from my dad but yeah so i kind of was doing that for a while and waking up on my keyboard because it's the best time by the way if you are going to start a business like there's a good chance if you're going to do it as a teenager you're going to screw it up because you don't know much but what a great time to do it also because i mean you have no family no responsibilities so you can kind of afford to give you know like one hundred ten percent just burn yourself out at things that's what i was doing and it was working on the business side but i needed something else my life so i started flying and i kind of picked up that childhood passion and ran with it for a while it's kind of.

[C]

Funny because ever since the first time i came out here and like learning more about your story and everything like that now when i go to pay at restaurants and i just see that little icon with the company pop up i'm like ah there you go little.

[A]

Piece of jared everywhere yeah yeah exactly yeah all those pennies they add up.

[E]

Nah yeah.

[C]

Couldn'T tell you employed your.

[E]

Dad at sixteen i think you're doing way better than any of us at this table i was mowing yards we.

[A]

Were partners but yeah no i had my tour prior to that burger king you know waiter and all that i mean really from i mean i think i was like a caddy at twelve my parents were very like you want anything in life you're gonna go out and work and do it and just lucky to spot an opportunity and i can't like underscore that enough luck is such a huge fact you don't start a company when you're a teenager and like it works out the way it does without a lot of things you know fall in your way yeah that.

[E]

One and now you're just crushing it and then that's what got you into planes fighter pilot and you own one or two you actually have a company or started a company with others where you acquired how many jets across the.

[A]

Oh we had it i mean so so this com i mean just give you a little bit of history here i i knew i always want to fly these kind of airplanes i had no idea there was you know the air force reserve or the guard like there was a concept of being able to you know contribute and serve your country in a part time way when i found out was after i was flying air shows with some of the greatest military aviators ever that's what actually that's the only reason i went back and got my college degree at twenty nine was like oh man i'd love to be able to you know serve in the guard or whatnot but we wound up flying air shows you know we had a seven ship formation act we flew around everywhere all these cities around the country the time of our lives and then we pivoted that mostly because we were like we can't maintain this lifestyle i mean you are drinking a lot you're eating like crap all the time and then you're flying for four days in a row and same.

[C]

Reason we don't do the live shows.

[A]

All year round it was like this is max fun super unhealthy going to end poorly so we were like we need to maintain the fun factor but turn into something commercial so we ran around the world and we bought over one hundred fighter jets we actually at one point were like the twelfth largest air force in the world so i mean we had mig twenty one s from poland l one hundred fifty nine s from czech republic we had jets from israel spain france the country of jordan and it was so cool going around doing these deals and it's funny people talk about government service and like our government is so corrupt until you've bought fighter jets from like a middle eastern country you have no idea what corruption is like we're actually pretty good.

[C]

You know i feel like it's funny because you know you always hear that thing where it's like the biggest air force in the world is you know obviously the the us air force then the second one is the us navy y yeah and then the thirteenth is jared yeah he's wild how many of the biggest air forces do we have well one of them is just one.

[E]

Of our people so we have iran jordan jared yeah that's you mean jordan.

[A]

No no i mean i mean last name well called it draken but yeah yeah we we were we were pretty big pretty pretty big air force and we were basically just the professional bad guys for the department of defense we'd have twenty sometimes thirty jets at nellis air force base in las vegas so we were in all the red flag exercises supporting their version of top gun weapon school we had we had a four s dropping training ordinance for for the marines for jtac training for navy special warfare operators in up in fallon it was i mean i've said it many times like i think commercial space what companies like spacex and blue origin do is like the number one coolest industry hands down but top gun for a living strong number two oh yeah.

[E]

Oh yeah that's still wild and then what was your first like hey with drakken i'm gonna go out and start doing this where what was that first business deal like yeah how do you.

[C]

Get started yeah i'm going to be up four for the first air force.

[A]

Yeah so i mean we we i mean like i said i'm just turn it sideways we were flying yeah thanks we were we were flying air shows every weekend and just spending a lot of time at the bar where a lot of the good ideas come out and we were like we should do this we should be this professional fighter.

[C]

Jets as a service hey the country was started in a bar all right.

[A]

I i i think i think it's a it's a great place a lot of good industry anyway we basically started to think about this idea but we wanted to be different than others there were some companies that did it prior to us but as we said they basically put metal in the sky so korean war era airplanes with no radar no radar warning receivers they had no idea that the good guys were there and they certainly had no way to attack them and we were like so if we're going to do this we want quantity we got a big problem we got to solve here the us government needs lots of fighter jets as a service to do this because it saves a lot of money preserves the life on our existing fleets but it also needs to be credible so a lot of quantity credible meaning like you can react to whatever the good guys are doing and then you can punish their mistakes and then sustainable usually when countries are ready to sell their fighter jets they're crap i mean they've used every last bit of life out of them because they know what's coming next is like one hundred twenty million dollars f thirty five or something so who's willing to sell these airplanes that actually have tons of life remaining on it and that was kind of the criteria and first stop was romania they had these mig twenty one s that the israelis upgraded so the russian mig twenty one s but they put a modern us radar in a helmet cueing site some advanced missiles and sensors couldn't get a deal done there next stop was new zealand perfect circumstances because they for political reasons disbanded their offensive air force so it was like in two thousand.

[C]

Three the american mind cannot comprehend that.

[A]

They were pure defense so they have like maritime patrol for search and rescue maybe some sub hunting and stuff but every airplane that had offensive strike capability they disbanded which meant they had all these a four skyhawks from the original top gun but then they upgrade them with f sixteen radars f sixteen radar warning receivers all the modern data buses and everything we were like that's it i mean that's the perfect aggressor they used them in top gun but it's even more advanced we bought their whole combat air force basically their a four s their air machis and that was the first deal of what became many around the world of buying fighter jets.

[E]

That'S a w like are you meeting with multiple people like what is that sit down because i still cannot conceptualize sitting down it's like these are nice.

[C]

Hi john c bulgaria i would like to buy a mig twenty nine oh.

[A]

It'S i mean and it's so cool so i mean eventually we had to have a network because we determined that control of this industry that ultimately became a six billion dollars industry when the air force finally was like wow this thing's real it's not just one offs like you can really have commercial fighter jets as a service extra value meals are back that means ten tender juicy mcnuggets and medium fries and a drink are just dollar eight only at mcdonald's.

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[A]

Controlling the fleet of good fighter jets in the world became you know the whole game plan so we every defense attache around the world when a country was going to disband their fighter squadron we were reaching out to and was like all right are the jets still good you know like are they going to be reasonable in price and everything and we would use them to kind of help direct us where we need to go and we'd fly all over the place and then i mean you could be depending on the size of the country you're meeting with the minister of defense you know you're meeting with the minister of state and you're hoping that you have the right motivated kind of seller so you can actually not have these things turn into like a twenty year government program to sell these airplanes but that's how it went you're just traveling around having these kind of cool meetings with twenty different flags in front of you these like little mini un tables it's really cool it's kind.

[E]

Of fucking rad and what age were.

[A]

You at this oh so we started this company in late twenty eleven so you know fourteen fourteen years ago so i was you know a little more mature than sixteen when i started shift.

[E]

Four so you're like thirty still right give or take dude that's late twenties.

[C]

Just to share with people i guess a little bit of if you're comfortable with that the seed capital you had for this stuff when you made your initial i guess payout from shift four what did that look like for you like what did you start with so.

[A]

You start with ten grand so that was a gift from my grandfather when i was sixteen to start shift four that was all we had we had no outside capital for the first fifteen years in business other than that ten thousand dollars check from my grandfather and again when you talk about luck it was at an interesting time again we're back to fintech so kind of slightly less interesting than space and fighter jets but it was at an interesting time where it was not a capital intense industry all the banks were focused on putting credit cards in people's consumers wallets and convincing them to go out and overextend themselves and very little was paid on kind of of facilitating the payment transaction of which if you were a pizza joint and you wanted to take credit cards it was a nightmare you had like a mortgage document that was like this just to get just to get started so it was not a capital intense industry and we were able to be pretty disruptive for very little cost that wouldn't work this way like now if we started five years later i mean you'd need millions to do what we did with very little then.

[C]

But you just identified a need yeah.

[A]

I mean that's when people talk about starting a business like is there opportunity is there an obvious problem that you were able to fix or have you created a far better solution than what already exists and is there a revenue model to underwrite it like you fix this problem and you actually can generate more revenue than cost that was the right time right place to do it.

[C]

In this industry yeah and then by the time you had did you make an exit from shift four are you still i guess a part of that.

[A]

So i own about twenty five percent of the company we went public in twenty twenty first company back in the new york stock exchange to ring the bell during the pandemic june fifth twenty twenty and so yeah i was ceo right up until the nasa nomination and then now i'm executive chairman and showing.

[C]

A lot of it it's awesome you're.

[E]

Missing that one thing at sixteen you identified that thing and at sixteen i was like girl or i played video.

[C]

Games which was still i believe at the time but it was if i can say it was like a nine.

[A]

Digit payout yeah i mean you know to the company's got over it's like a ten billion dollars market cap right.

[C]

Now yeah so you started what eventually became a ten billion dollars company at.

[A]

Sixteen yeah we should still be going up from there we're a pretty good company right now market's not totally valuing us the way it should that's the.

[C]

Funny part to me is that you're just so unbelievably humble about it you're like oh i'm not that interesting but yeah i started a ten billion dollars company before i could legally drive my.

[E]

Dad was had to drive me to business meetings and again major props that's that motivation i love that level of just entrepreneurship and then the mindset even at a young age where it was oh i need to do this here is and then i guarantee you chase that with full intent because it's super.

[C]

Inspirational and that's i mean that's what you're about is inspiration yeah well i.

[A]

Will say in terms of the intensity right i mean you talk about people ask me a lot like you know high school college kids hey i want to start a business it's like all right well like make sure there's opportunity there a lot of people start businesses where it sounds good but it's you know it's just you're not really fixing something so it's it's destined to go for failure or people actually have solved real problems it's just the revenue model doesn't work no matter what it will always like hemorrhage cash and that usually unless you're in a really accommodating low interest rate environment that it usually doesn't work but and it's like got it gotta have gotta have opportunity gotta have a good revenue model and then your intensity point absolutely like that's why actually as a teenager is great because you know actually i've talked to a lot of like people who struggle with businesses on failed entrepreneurs and it was like well family comes first and i was like not not year one man you know you're starting a business right now like you need to give it everything you have in your life like you want to do the best thing you can for your family when you're when you're starting a business is making it work and that does mean putting it you know first for some period of time and then eventually you get it right it's the best thing you can do for your family a lot of.

[E]

People don't understand that level of sacrifice or they think well i worked hard it's like no no no no you there is no time for anything else other than this one main objective and then that has to be it and it's maybe one year but it's chances are it's going to be a multi year process and you just can't quit doesn't matter how hard it gets it's just okay keep going when i was.

[C]

First starting off and like struggling with with all the shit like just starting my company like i rem game of thrones you know season five season six whatever it was i was just like binging all of all of game of thrones because i'd never seen it yeah four o' clock in the morning with my laptop next to me babysitting a three d printer because we were we were running prototypes of like new models that we were running like that like that because again like i was young i didn't have a family like i didn't have these obligations i'm like this is the time like it needs to pedal to the floor seven days a.

[E]

Week seven percent seven days a week cannot stress that there's no like the weekend thing doesn't exist either that's why people it's like oh i wish i worked for myself it's like oh brother.

[C]

In christ the only reason i know it's a weekend is because more people.

[E]

Are at restaurants this is i mean this is a weekend and we're still like you are working yes it is fun but it is still a passion and you are working really hard this.

[C]

Is a sunday night yeah this is.

[E]

Is this sunday yeah i think so.

[A]

Is it thanks for giving us your weekend guys appreciate it proving our point we don't know what fucking day it is dude we flew you could have told me tuesday i've been like sounds right same literally eli it's so easy.

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To do youtube i wish i could.

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Just do youtube you know i agree it's so easy and you should all.

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Try you should literally try it's so.

[E]

Easy try and then also just don't and launch a whole bunch of other businesses on top of youtube it's like let's do five five sounds like a fantastic business number and you're like now so you we had just one of the best experiences period we got to fly jets and we again it is something we can't thank you enough because it is an opportunity almost not enough people get like period that's super cool.

[C]

Like just being able to especially being let in because like we all have our individual tisms and yours is clearly flying like you just it's it's easy to see that you just fucking love the hell out of it like the first time i came up here with you guys i wasn't super familiar familiar with you or your backstory or anything i saw you bullshitting with with your pilots and i just thought you were one of the pilots i didn't realize like oh you just oh hey jared my oh like jared jared oh okay gotcha like you're just one of the guys which is kind of cool i always thought that was neat yeah i.

[A]

Mean that's look that is one hundred percent how we roll we've all been flying together again all the way back twenty ten we first started flying air shows together so you know we definitely don't have like that kind of a hierarchy at all like we're here maximize fun try and get people excited about what we do inspired to do other big things it's a really especially for you know we have these airplanes but a big part of the story is space and this is i mean this is hands down the absolute best time you know in the history of the space program since neil armstrong was walking on the moon i mean you got reusable rockets you got rockets now that are being caught by giant chopsticks you got a i mean real prospect of humans you know not just going back to the moon but going to mars right so like we can use these jets and we can take up space influencers you know and they can talk you know they can get people's attention on we can do flyovers like we did yesterday at the montana state game people are like who are these guys they're not the air force like oh yeah they do commercial space stuff and then go and look it up and then they get excited about it so that really kind of helps check a lot of the inspirational boxes too are you friends with elon i wouldn't say friends like we're like professional acquaintances i mean certainly every democratic senator thought i was close friends with him he was putting me into nasa to engineer his singular focus on mars not the case.

[C]

At all to turn the moon into.

[A]

A death star yeah i mean went to space twice with spacex which by the way is the only way that nasa has been able to go to and from space since the shuttle was retired in twenty eleven so i wasn't in any different place but we had two successful missions and he along with a lot of other people thought that maybe i can contribute but i wouldn't say we're like we're not drinking buddies i've never gone out to dinner never had a social event with him just.

[C]

Professional so how many times now have you been to space twice so there's a lot of people that kind of like have this conversation about like oh we never went to the moon we never went to space because humans can't survive past the radiation belt so the real question is how much is the new world order paying you to lie about going to space twice you know.

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Look i mean why is there a.

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Flat why are you lying to me.

[A]

I don't even like i don't even like you would have hit the door you know like dismissive about it or like talking down to people i actually like i get it you know what we should have just been back to the moon by now and conclusively just showed you that we did i mean the fact that it's been a half a century and there's new generations out there that have grown up in the world where everything's on an ipad or an iphone and they're like well if we've done it why isn't it right in front of me right now we haven't i will tell you one hundred percent we absolutely went to the moon you know why we gave four percent of the discretionary budget nasa right now is a quarter of a percent believe me you get four percent of that money in the best and brightest minds for a decade you're going to do some pretty damn awesome things but it was so expensive and we beat the soviets there for a lot of good reasons it definitely had benefits back here on earth but we lost the will to do it we didn't have the stomach for the budget and we let way too much time go by but that's changing for the skeptics out there you do not have to wait long i promise you that i'm so excited.

[E]

Dude this is a lot of people i don't think understand the how small the nasa budget is because you get to see it's like well why look how much we're wasting for mars or these mission trips and then it is.

[A]

Zero point yeah zero point two percent maybe even less i mean and that's.

[C]

Also i mean it's cool to see that evolve too where like nasa went from being the spearhead of like they were the ones who were doing everything to now nasa can just be a supplementary arm of the blue origins of the spacex basically just helping them do something they're already doing like commercial space was as a concept in the seventies a fucking pipe dream and now it's.

[A]

Reality yeah i mean i guess i'd say first like spacex blue origin for all the things they are doing to wow us they benefited from decades of what some of the best and brightest at nasa pioneered during a time when the computers that they had to use to get us to the moon and back were the size of warehouses versus what you could do on an iphone today they were brilliant i mean they were doing these kind of orbital calculations before they even had computers to attempt.

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Things they're doing it on paper and they're doing it to a precise like millimeter of accuracy on paper and playing.

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With people's lives too i mean they.

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Get that calculation wrong like oh dude.

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Buzz aldrin doesn't come home yeah i mean one hundred percent i think through.

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What happens if people haven't heard about my brand though that's actually easy eli.

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Com unsubpod i will say too there was a appetite for risk i mean that was a battleground during the cold war we took more risk then than we did now they had a lot more money to do these kind of extraordinary things so this is like to me it's never an either or it's not like now we can just hand everything over to spacex no there is a world for both and what it means is just nasa has to recalibrate for when they pioneer something they truly figure it out and hand it off to industry to do it better where competition can create innovation and drive down costs i mean the best thing in the world for spacex is blue origin to do well i mean they'll just feed off each other and give us really cool things like we've all been seeing right and then what does nasa do it works on what they can't do to figure out something else that's like truly cutting edge like i'm a big fan of nuclear propulsion spacex and blue origin aren't going to mess around with highly enriched uranium they're not going to launch a nuclear reactor but you know who would president trump would he would absolutely he's already making nuclear great again clear the pathways let nasa work on what no one else can do and hand off what they already figured out to industry to make it better because that's a relationship man that's what.

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I was going to ask you about too is because like what is their what is making you excited right now when it comes to that like what is the next big thing because i mean obviously like reusable rockets was fucking huge huge that was massive but like what's the next big step what are you looking forward to you're like this is gonna revolutionize stuff and it's close.

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Yeah and i just want to on reusable rockets like as somebody who is a total political newcomer you know six nine months ago i had one political position from running a defense company for ten years the competitiveness of our nation like we can't like we we always have to be the beacon of light and freedom in the world and when we were you know replicating with fighter jets the bad guys and what we were doing in twenty thirteen twenty fourteen we were you know we were playing china we're nineteen sixties mig twenty one s by twenty nineteen it was like wow we can create some real problems for the good guys and that made me concerned and i'll tell you bring this back to space if we didn't have reusable rockets right now you know what what spacex did pioneer with falcon nine china would absolutely be putting more rockets in space than us by far and why is that a big deal it's the high ground it's the ultimate high ground it's a high ground for sensors it's being weaponized like you do not want to give up that ground so thank goodness for reusable rockets in order to keep this edge but we're not going to hold this for forever we need to keep pushing forward obviously the president certainly understands that he created the space force for a reason reason saying this is an important domain we can't screw this one up and we just need a lot more companies like spacex blue origin stoked to make sure we hold the high ground i love.

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It it is even reusable rockets is the idea of that and yes we've had a couple of failures but it's wild that people are like look it blew up you're like no no no you do not understand this did not exist a decade ago this is groundbreaking tech and this is saving god knows.

[C]

How much money so just about every rocket we've ever tried to throw up has exploded the challenger leaks i mean.

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The challenger is why you've seen a big decrease in budget right once that or one of the reasons you had a couple different i just mean even.

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In the test bed phase oh yeah oh yeah like rockets blow up all.

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The time before it dialed look i mean throughout the test look it's a controlled explosion accelerating you know to seventeen thousand five hundred miles if it's staying in low earth orbit twenty five thousand plus miles an hour if it's going ten the moon or mars so yeah it's a lot of energy you're putting into something like things can go wrong falcon nine by the way and it's important when you look at something an organization like spacex they have the operational side where they take no chances so that's what puts up the starlinks that's what sends crew to the space station it's what sent me on my two missions sends cargo up to space station and then they have their development side where they are trying to do the near impossible just like nasa to tries tries to do and that's starship and that is radical we have never had a rocket in history where the the bottom of the rocket the booster and the top of it are entirely reusable i mean almost throughout all of human space flight you when you're done with the rocket you throw it in the ocean i mean imagine like how much that costs i mean you know elon said it very much like you know how many people would be going to disneyland if we threw away the seven hundred thirty seven every time you got there not many right so like starship yeah it's had some setbacks it is doing something very radical and blue origin is going for reusability too they're going to have some bad days but that's very different than the operational rockets that are out there that you know the country needs to depend on those have been i mean those are extraordinarily reliable i never never hesitate at all thinking we would be okay on our missions.

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For sure and so all of the starship production is done in south texas it's down in brownsville yeah i've gotten the opportunity before to tour that facility and just to see the sheer fucking scale of those rockets and even just the booster like what they were able to catch it's whatever you're thinking in your mind it's bigger and it's impossible to that whole thing put together is bigger than the seattle space needle it's the biggest man made flying object ever one hundred percent just putting it all together just like the booster plus the actual rocket on top you look at it and your brain just shuts down oh like that that's something that has made it to orbit i mean you.

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Go to you go to starbase you know brownsville boca chica texas i i caught it it's like is it a religious experience going there if you're a space fan absolutely i got like vibes from manhattan project i mean when my first time there it was still very you know there was a lot of tents and and dirt and dust around and just people working to make it happen they call it the gateway to mars for a reason and you know what i appreciate most coming out of the defense industry on that one is the big defense primes that control all the contracts they don't touch a keyboard without a contract they rarely spend their own money government's got a good idea they got a good idea give me a contract for it first before i do anything my company at drachen we had a big field of dreams if you build it they will come solve a big problem and the demand will be there and that entire facility in starbase no one gave them a contract to do that they went out and just spent tons of money billions of dollars you know what we need to do this for the sake of humanity we need you know a interplanetary rocket that's rapidly reusable as dod applications human exploration everything robotic so badass and they're like we're going to build it here we're going to spend billions of dollars and we're going to build the rocket and we don't care if we get a contract or not we're doing it for the good of all of humankind it's energizing that's that's the cool part.

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At least to me is that like say what you will about elon but like the idea came first and the passion came first the business came later yeah fuck it i guess we'll give the world wi fi i don't know but i just want rockets like you know it's like all the actual business models came that was a secondary step like with starship it's like i don't know fuck it we'll find a way to make it cash flow but like we're going to make the biggest rocket.

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Ever made yeah one hundred percent and wrap and reusable will never throw it away and that's the whole thing when people are like you know we we gotta take care of all our problems here on earth before we think about mars first it's a good argument it's another thing i'm not dismissive of the space program has faced it since the beginning of time but here's what i'll say what's different now than it was you know fifty sixty years ago you got some of the richest people in the world footing the bill you're right elon's doing it he's not doing it because there's a gold rush on mars he thinks it's a good hedge against something catastrophic happening here on earth not to mention it's a good stepping stone towards our destiny to explore the cosmos but he's footing a lot of the bill jeff bezos at blue origin is is footing a lot of the bill.

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And i'll tell you in the process you're paying thousands of engineers you're employing thousands of people who are on earth you know you're fueling that economy as.

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Well great for the economy all these brilliant engineers and minds coming out of college and they'll go on and create other awesome stars what i'll say too is like when they do this not if like when starship when new glenn is successful at blue origin stoke and all the other guys like the problems it will solve here on earth we don't know yet it will be many it's amazing like when you have a vehicle that can send one hundred tons to mars is it also sending is this change the whole ups and fedex dynamic are we sending a package one hour delivery to the other side of earth you could running a business comes with a lot of what ifs but luckily there's a simple answer to them shopify it's the commerce platform behind millions of businesses including thrive cosmetics and momofuku and it'll help you with everything you need from website design and marketing to boosting sales and expanding operations shopify can get the job done and make your dream a reality turn those what ifs into sign up for your one dollar per month trial at shopify dot com specialoffer you do point to point travel with it it has dod applications to it i mean it's just you know for everyone it's like it's you know all these things are a waste for humanity no like first other people can foot the bill and second you have no idea what benefits it will have back here at home home especially in.

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Space it's like spaces that it's how you i i love the idea of that's how you advanced as mankind it is that is like the kardashian scale it's like those little things where you're like yes this is here's the type one civilization and then you get to see on that that mindset it was like what's a type two what's a type three and then it is that mind blowing of holy these would look like gods and they are just technologically.

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Advanced on top of that like let's.

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Something a little bit more subscribe man.

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I love this shit something a little.

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Bit more more tangible i mean look.

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At howard hughes all the stuff that.

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He did like and geostationary satellites all that stuff is like he was just again a rich dude fucking around with stuff that he thought was cool yeah.

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I mean look i said it all the time like elon somehow has picked all of humankind's greatest engineering problems for like the good of humanity you know people who are blind or can't walk i think i can build neuro implants to help them see again and walk and you know maybe more electric vehicles and you know more solar is a good thing you know maybe digging tunnels underneath the ground so we can get rid of traffic maybe building like interplanetary rockets or you know i don't want ai to go out of control and create you know t one thousand s gunning us down so i'm going to build responsible ai instead we're just going.

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To make him super racist on twitter.

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Yeah exactly like literally everything he's trying to do i mean you know he may not always have the perfect delivery or the most timely like timelines or whatever on these things but like he's literally trying to solve humankind's greatest problems you know like the country needs more elons and more spacex's and more teslas.

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I have no but i must come yeah those filthy wireback clankers.

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Dude ai's so what is man just.

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So many directions to go this is.

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Like dude a spacewalk it just even i wanted to go that direction is just a spacewalk what was that like the training that led up to that and then that moment where you're doing it because that has to be a religious experience and then also terrifying at.

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The same time especially since i think like your your spacewalk was unique yeah as far as like i i don't know what to say of whether or not it was like a first or anything but like what but it's a very elite club yeah i mean look.

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I'M not big on like the first and that kind of thing like i i just i care about the mission there is one first from from my last trip in space polaris dawn which i i do i do like to underscore because i think it's awesome is two of my crewmates sarah gillis and anna menon became the women who've traveled farthest from earth ever i mean and we talk about is the van allen belt like this impenetrable wall we were in it we certainly got our fair share of radiation but you know a year later i'm still kicking here man they're doing fine we get checked out all the time so that was a.

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Cool was it actually like a serious problem that you guys were worried about the amount of radiation you were getting.

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Not on us we knew that basically you know our five days in orbit we got the equivalent of radiation exposure of being on the space station for three months so it's a lot and by the way the space station even goes through portions of the van allen belt there's something called the south atlantic anomaly where the van allen belt comes down really close about two hundred above earth the space station's about four hundred kilometers and change so it goes through it all the time we deal with that radiation we were more concerned about the vehicle because humans don't like radiation avionics don't like radiation so we did a lot of simulations of what happens when we go full apollo thirteen here on this and we had bets between myself and the capcom at spacex which is the core and it's a capcom plus a really brilliant engineer and he was like i think you're not going to have any alerts at all i i think we really hardened this thing they actually took the avionics out of the dragon spacecraft and put it on a like a medical gurney to a to like a oncology lab and just chucked like protons at it and they're like it should be mostly fine they showed us the videos and everything and i was like i think we'll still get alerts we got alerts so that.

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People don't understand it is radiation what it does is it breaks down like the i mean literally the molecular level it just breaks it apart and that's why electronics suffer from it well for.

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The human i mean it just it can mess with your dna and increase the probability of cancer it shreds it.

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And you can't yeah it's terrifying for.

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The avionics it can do one of basically two things usually it's like we call single event upsets and they basically requires whatever those electronics are that were impacted we have to reset them and they usually come back and then there's like if it's really bad hits it cooks them and you can't bring them back and our sun our mission like the sun goes through high and low cycles and when it's angry and when it's angry it has lots of solar flares coronal mass ejections and when it chucks those things out you basically get a warning of about nine minutes time light travels from the sun to us you get a little bit of a warning like hey you might have some serious dosage on its way and it looks really pretty on earth you get the nice aurora it's like oh it's cool like there's purple skies down in alabama that's never seen that before well if you're in space you're freaking out.

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I love how we've returned to like aztec mindset we're like oh shit sun's.

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Angry yeah is that chronos eject that is like you are talking about an explosion that is a wave of fire that is eighty times the size of earth that just explodes outwards and then that rushes at us and that's where it's like oh thank god we have this ozone layer because that is the only thing protecting yeah yeah earth's magnetic.

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Sphere is our is our protection and.

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Not if taylor swift has anything to.

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Say about it and yeah look just you can have like a solar flare coronal mass ejection it doesn't necessarily mean you've got some you know you know some you know some heavy ions coming your way or whatnot but it's a good indicator that it might and and that could be a problem but i know you asked about spacewalk but that was the first i thought just really proud of like two crew members who are brilliant engineers yeah it was really cool but spacewalk was awesome we spent two years building a suit and we started with the intravehicular suit which is a suit you see all the astronauts wear when they you know it's an iva suit when they get in the spacecraft and really it's just a last line of defense you get a fire you take micrometeorite orbital debris like look there's a billion bullets whizzing around in space paint chips that come off of a satellite and they're traveling seventeen thousand five hundred miles an hour and there's a lot of energy when they hit a vehicle and they can go right through it so you take a hole in the spacecraft oh thank goodness i got the suit on it pressurizes let's come home and it's emergency but that is not a suit you do a spacewalk in you don't walk on the moon or mars in it because when that thing puffs up and fully pressurized you're like the marshmallow man you can't move so we had to start with that and put joints in bearing rotator cuffs in the shoulders in the wrists gloves that actually had dexterity so that you could actually actually hold tools because what's the whole point here the point is if you get to the moon or mars you get outside your spaceship and you discover things and you build things and repair things so two years the best minds there built an incredible suit we took it into a vacuum chamber at nasa we knew it worked we developed a whole pre breathe to denitrogenate so we didn't have you know basically the bends or decompression sickness and we went out and it was cool.

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As hell that's something you have to worry about is decompression one hundred no yeah okay because i know like so ben's like when you're doing deep sea diving and stuff like that that's something you have to worry about because you have like multiple atmospheres worth of pressure you have to worry about that in.

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Zero g yeah i mean basically high to low is always the is always the problem so high pressure low pressure high pressure generally building up more nitrogen unless you've de nitrogenated your body and then you go low pressure and that's you're opening the can of soda so when you're scuba diving you know you go down like three four atmospheres whatever you got you know you're breathing normal air you're loading up nitrogen in your system you return to the surface and you're begging all those bubbles to come out of solution and that's what causes joint pain and it can that's type one dcs is joint pain type two is you can have cerebral issues cardiac issues and such so think about it in a spacewalk we're going from normal atmosphere like one atmosphere to zero except whatever's in your suit pressure so you're going high to low and you absolutely can get dcs people during testing got dcs and when we were you know not not any of the crew members but but there was a whole testing regime of how to denitrogenate cause we had no airlock that's kind of key is on the space shuttle space station you have an airlock so you got an airlock you can go and breathe one hundred percent oxygen not worry about creating an environment where you could have a fire we didn't have that we had to throw away our atmosphere so we had to figure out a way to not breathe one hundred percent oxygen for a while and create a fire hazard so our risk for dcs was higher but we figured it out and obviously we had no dcs hits but i mean even you read michael collins book you know on on the apollo eleven mission he talked about he he would get type one dcs on his gemini mission and then his apollo mission it's just he was just physiologically he was more susceptible to it oh he.

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Didn'T know at that time i think.

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He knew he's like he he knew but he was like you know he's a fighter pilot and he's like i'm not telling anyone i tell anyone i get i'm susceptible like i'm getting pulled from the rotation oh dude that is.

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Money that's cash app so what was then walking out though and doing that spacewalk so now you built the suit and then you guys are up there and gals and now it's like okay.

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Yeah so it was short we basically the whole operation was just under two hours we each had eight minutes outside the vehicle the reason is we're breathing one hundred percent oxygen we had to bring all our own tanks for this there's no airlocks we threw away our atmosphere so we had to re pressurize the vehicle so we didn't have much time out there and i'll tell you it was not what i expected so i'd went up before we had the cupola on my first mission which was the biggest continuous window in space and and i'm like i've seen the most beautiful thing you can imagine from space it's probably going to look like that and i was wrong it was so much more intense it was this big sensory thing because not only did you have that visual stimulus of like you poke your head out and you're seeing earth right in your face you've got all that you got the noise of the oxygen flowing in you got temperature you're cold as hell we were worried about overheating so it was like extra oxygen coming in to really cool you down you got the exertion of moving against a suit pressurized to five point two psi so even any movement was exertion and it just was overwhelming come in but it was awesome and there was nothing around you yeah just earth out the front and then when you looked into the darkness of space that was like the unsettling yeah like what.

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Went through your fucking mind just looking.

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At it yeah i mean that was a surprise cause i just did not think that it would feel differently but i've talked to other astronauts too i was like hey how do you feel when you look away from earth because you don't always see the stars and i know that's another kind of conspiracy you gotta be in the right orbit where you're in eclipse cause if you have any light coming off of earth it kind of drowns it out so you need to be an eclipse you need the moon in the right spot and then yes you can see beautiful milky way stars so it's like but why don't i always see it well it depends if the earth is illuminated you're not gonna see stars so i looked out in the and i've asked people like what happens when you just look out in the dark darkness of space and astronauts have been like man i felt like i was swimming in ink like i've heard all these things and like most people generally agree it is rather unsettling because you have an appreciation for just the vastness of space in front of you and everything you're looking at is trying to kill you you have no atmosphere to breathe you got you know bullets zinging by the micrometeoroid that'll pierce your not only your suit but everything through you you got radiation my heart rate monitor when went down from a radio because we were actually in a high radiation portion of the orbit and it's just like whatever that is our destiny to go out and explore among the stars and we're just going to proceed with caution that.

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Is what a horrible sentence dude that's.

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Lovecraftian it's why humans have a problem with lovecraftian horror is this idea of okay when i look at beyond our comprehension yeah and that is the thing it's like you look out space and you're like holy shit i see nothing and you're like okay that's just our space so well yes the universe and everything but you're not seeing that you're seeing maybe the milky way and even then you're not seeing much of that.

[C]

I also love that like not that you meant it this way but just like yeah i've asked other astronauts it's.

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A small club well i hope it's not for long i don't like any of the you're lucky enough to get struck by lightning to be an astronaut that's what i love about why all these incredibly rich people are allocating their resources to give a capability for the benefit of all humankind which is we are destined to go out and explore we have to like our star at some point gonna gobble us up you know the dinosaurs aren't around for a reason be cool if they were maybe with some of these cool science projects that some of these people are funding we can because that would make the world a more interesting place too if there was t rexes running around is.

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There your next move can you do.

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Jurassic park no i am rooting on some of these people because i think it will bring us as a species.

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Together start jurassic park i have an.

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Embarrassing story i want to hear this.

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Yeah i don't think i've ever told this anywhere when i was in fifth grade i was one of those like really just autistic focused kids that just like i just i you know jurassic park was like my thing i wrote a letter to president bush to ask for funding for a jurassic park program nice because i was i was super about it like that was just my thing i'm like like i watched the fucking movies i read a book that was basically like this is how you would do it i talked to companies that were doing like genetic sequencing you know all the machines and whatnot like acquiring of the fossils you know genetic deterioration like i went on a deep dive at nine years old i just like basically got a return letter back from the president that was like stay in school yeah one of those kind.

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Of things now we have jurassic park.

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No no this isn't for me but there's enough people there's people working on bringing the mammoth back and it's like why stop there we got the dire wolves yeah exactly dire wolves mammoth t rex world would be more interesting i bet it would bring humankind way closer.

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Right dude i'm just gonna bully you into making raptors yeah clever girl but.

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These are all the good reasons why we inevitably have to press out and that doesn't mean mars is gonna be our infinite home it's gonna suck at mars for a really long time but it's a stepping stone to go out and like this is the this is i swear it's humankind's greatest adventure i mean i have memories of being like geography class in like sixth grade like well everybody figured it all out i mean they found every island they climbed every mountain like what is there oh no that journey is nothing pales in comparison to what's out there and we're just getting started that's awesome a lot.

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Of people don't every time mankind looks at it as okay we've discovered everything it was first here's the continent okay hey here's now we have the world okay it's flat okay now we have oh holy we're a heliocentric solar system model it's using those big words you.

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Weren'T joking this is my tism dude.

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Like this is the i'm never gonna talk about so it is like okay we're heliocentric but until then it's not known and then we the earth was the center and everything revolved around that and now you're like like solar system and holy okay now we have was it prox proxima centauri that's our closest star but that's like two like three.

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Year light years i think four light years our closest star and that is.

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Trial and speed alive it's going to take four years but everything we watch there is four years in the past and anything they watch yeah dude this is it's but it is always a global scale until we're at okay we have now conquered this galaxy and then that is just the milky way it's.

[C]

Going to be the next big thing like because it's you know that it's almost like that steampunk era we were right on the cusp of a lot of like modern technology when it comes to machinery and stuff like that we just didn't know like there's a million different ways to do it and we were trying to figure out how i feel like that's how early space travel.

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Is going to be oh one hundred i mean like look we are i feel like all right if the apollo program was probably in the kind of grand scheme of not even our galaxy just our solar system was like i don't know ancient tribes hollowing out a log and sailing across maybe a decent lake like that's really i mean and imagine when they saw like you know the first like i don't know you know man o war ship with like tons of sails and mass and they were like wow i could never have even i couldn't even envision what this would look like when i was hollowing out my log right like that's where we're at right now like we and that's also part of the reason again like going down the nuclear propulsion path is like sure i mean four light years away is pretty damn far if we are going to really consider any serious exploration beyond mars you know i mean our solar system let alone the galaxy around us like we're going to have to go farther than chemical propulsion because even raptors on starship fully refueled in low earth orbit is a great one way where you want to go like you still got to come back so that puts the obligation on either mining propellant wherever you go or you need another form of propulsion that may or may not exist yeah yeah i mean it's it's that's a lot of miracles that need to happen on any planet including mars so scale too it's.

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Just like the sheer scale i don't think a lot of people conceptualize that it is the sheer scale of space is where it's lost like four light years i can be like cody four light years like okay traveling at the speed of light takes four years it's like okay how fast can we go right now what is the maximum exact speed mankind has done so we have.

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I mean we have objects you know like voyager and then we have like parker solar probe they go very fast you're still at like the fractions of a percent of the speed of light.

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I mean fractions voyager just left the solar system what a few years back and that was for thirty forty years.

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No no it was launched in like the seventies yeah it was a long.

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Time ago fifty years just to leave.

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Our solar system and it's small and.

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We'Re not even outside the oort cloud like this is and that's why these going to the next star it's like holy shit how do we get we.

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Need more exotic forms of propulsion start with nuclear start doing what industry can't like if the best and brightest can't work on this every day because there's no business model for it and it's dangerous i mean this is the equipment we use to build nuclear weapons let the government do it put the best and brightest on that which when no one else is doing it it's going to attract people who want to work on it so like you you kind of solve the talent problem when the government is working on the same thing that blue origin and spacex and roclab all these other guys are doing you're gonna go work there because it's probably a better quality like you're gonna get stock options and everything so work on what no one else is capable of and then you build on that so you start with nuclear electric and who knows where that goes but like we're gonna go from that hollowed out log to the to the sailing ship to the ocean liner and you know try and avoid a couple titanics along the.

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Way why haven't they launched a nuclear.

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Spaceship so the russians have put nuclear reactors in space no one has done like a true nep in space nuclear electric propulsion demo in the nineteen sixties we did play around with this stuff like this is like the golden age of nuclear we could do whatever the hell you want and we had programs like nerva where we had what's called a nuclear thermal propulsion this is really exotic it's a nuclear reactor where you spray hydrogen in it and it spews out a bunch of like radioactive exhaust that is very efficient and high thrust two really good things in spaceflight engines the downside is you're just contaminating everything so we stopped doing that but it's actually not that much better than what spacex and blue origin are working on so what you do is nuclear electric very low technical risk highly efficient not a lot of thrust meaning you can move a lot of crap to mars just not very quickly but it's a stepping stone to building even more exotic forms of propulsion but no one's done it yet but i guarantee you if we don't we're going to watch china do it and then we're going to.

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Watch russia do it it's funny though you're talking about all these like you know giant problems like there's the speed element to it and whatnot like just how like far away all this stuff feels you also have to remember that we were sixty six years from two dipshits in north carolina two bicycle mechanics flying something for a quarter of a minute yeah you know just barely getting something off the ground to literally landing on the moon right.

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What you need at libertymutual dot com liberty liberty liberty liberty savings very underwritten by liberty mutual insurance company and affiliates excludes massachusetts when you put it that way it's like that's insane to me it's just that jump in human technology.

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Is just incredible it was like how fast does the what's the sr seventy one you know you're like mach three plus which is in kilometers per hour.

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I mean eighteen hundred nineteen hundred miles.

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An hour yeah but what's crazy cody is like now you have speed of light is two hundred ninety nine thousand seven hundred ninety two thousand kilometers a second a second and that's where you're like okay that's a big and you can never travel that speed because then what physics so you have theoretically we're.

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Not quite sure if it's possible i.

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Guess yeah well no i mean certainly einstein doesn't think you can exceed the speed of light that's cosmic speed limit.

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But i'm really glad jared explained that to me like so thoroughly because my monkey brain went to submarine have nuclear power why not put submarine in sky so you explained it perfectly well well.

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By the way i mean all these things you brought up it's like i get really charged up on this kind of stuff of like man we went from you know kitty hawk to putting astronauts on the moon we went i mean we built jet airplanes then we built the sr seventy one we did all these big bold badass ambitious programs you want to talk submarines we figured out the atomic bomb in nineteen forty five six years later you lay the keel down on the nautilus and you say you know what we're going to take this massive power we're going to slow these neutrons down and make a nuclear reactor so we can basically stay under the water until we run out of food or something and then we're going to go onto the north pole big bold badass endeavors and we did them fast right and now you can measure almost any like really exciting project we try and you know take on as a nation against timelines of things we did in the past from like alan shepard don't know about going to space it's just up and you know what goes up must come down to you know landing on the moon eight years right you know in the beginning of world war two we had like four two aircraft carriers by the end of world war two we built one hundred twenty five of them them you know over a four year span of time the first ford class carrier was a thirteen year project like you can measure almost anything against the things that we did in the past and we were able to do big badass bold things in very short periods of time with things we knew very little about without all the computers and everything else and now in a lot of cases we almost brainwashed ourselves like ten year program twenty year program is it all.

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That yellow do you think that because of it they added a lot of yellow and red tail because i've we've experienced it working with the government like we've seen it and that's what sucks and do you think that chokes creativity and then technological advancement well i think.

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Also having a good competitor helps like you know we had the soviets you know the cold war was good because.

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Like when another soviets got it but.

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But the thing is is we we got a better one right now honestly like the china i mean they're way better like they're moving incredibly fast on every important technological domain they're doing it at like spacex speeds it's scary because this has real implications how many people were alive where like at a time where there was really a question of whether or not the us was the exclusive superpower you know where american excellence in anything we applied ourselves to was truly in question that's real now and if not like you're fooling yourself and thinking like oh they're a third or third world country country are so wrong i can't believe how many people are.

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Dismissive whether it's space or quantum computing like it's all those things like we're it's if you talk to anybody on the inside like they're very open about talking about like just this i guess quiet cold war that we're in with china as far as just like who can continue to be the technological superpower.

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On this stuff yeah they're doing it fast they're willing to take risks like they're not risk averse in the whole thing and to your point like i think like you know you're like well what is the problem right because i mean like what's the cause because because we can complain about it all day long like there is a bureaucracy in some of this for sure that just like exists to serve itself and gets entrenched in the status quo congress can be guilty of that too like well i mean even if it's for the good of the nation or whatnot like i got to care about what's happening in my particular part of the country and that can be working against the good of the nation which wasn't always necessarily the case we used to have seven different companies making fighter jets so you could have some winners and losers now you got you know two that basically figured out that if you just build a part in every congressional district everybody's happy good luck going into this.

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You know man even even just listening to you know general george and all his people just talk about that exact thing where it's like now okay you have all these oversight committees that they're looking out for the people in their district and like it's it's engineered that way now and that's that's just such it's the antithesis of what makes america great yeah yeah like we're supposed to like good ideas are supposed to rise to the top on merit alone and you just they choke it becomes a game it becomes a game it is.

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Throttling it and choking it because we've got to watch it firsthand and thankfully we knew the right people that let they could undo stuff instantly so it'd be like you got to watch it be like okay hey it's set up for success just everyone good and then it gets throttling and then finally it's like hey they're choking it like hey everyone everyone let them do them and then success holy shit that actually works it's like yeah crazy we've been doing this for a decade at this point we know what we're doing when it comes to social media and how to.

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Talk to people how painful is it to talk to people like us who know jack shit about space no man.

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I love this stuff i mean this is like the coolest subject in the world i mean there's all the fun peaceful side of it which is great to talk about and like all the great reasons of what we find for the good of the world world and all that but then there's the serious side of like where high ground matters we don't know what we're going to find out there that could shift the balance of power here on earth and i don't want to find that out the hard way and yeah we talk scary sentence it's like i mean anything.

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That can make it here we have no chance against i will let anyone know that if they can make it here we have no that's actually a great lead in all right zero chance.

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Aliens yeah yeah what's your thought i.

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Mean i i absolutely believe that there is life out there i mean just.

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Do you think we've encountered it no.

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Okay i i don't i mean generally like people you know i don't think they're really good at keeping secrets you know you keep secrets that are really good you know that are important to the security of your nation but like really bad ones or things that this juicy they get out the cosmic speed limit is a big thing that prevents it but here's what i think like there is there's intelligent life and then there's life life and i think that generally people when i talk to people like do you think there's life out there they're like oh yeah well there's two trillion galaxies and every one of those galaxies got how many stars in it and how many stars are going to have some potential planet in the habitable zone yeah one hundred to four.

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Hundred billion stars per galaxy they're like.

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Sure it must be out there right what happens if you find like nasa just announced that we have a strong indication of former microbial life on mars and if we can get those samples back maybe it's conclusive okay so it's mars what happens like europa clipper comes back and maybe has a similar evidence of a biosignature it changes the game entirely from like surely it must be out there somewhere to maybe it's everywhere i mean and that would be unbelievable because that would be a great thing for space exploration because you know either a space economy is what's needed to fund an exciting future in space or the knowledge conclusive knowledge that there is life out there and the demand for that knowledge is going to be off the charts like we're it'd be the most fascinating thing and obviously the most consequential discovery in human history which mars.

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When he said like mars they literally just announced that hey well just so everyone knows like hey this is it's not one hundred percent but it's like hey we have a possibility they have.

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A bio signature and that if they can get those samples back and properly studied maybe and look i think odds are good gods are good if you get some samples back from mars you're going to prove that there was some microbial life at some point a lot.

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Of so annoying because this is like the eighth time in like the last ten years that they did something like that they're like by the way life on mars and you read deeper like we think maybe yeah for these reasons.

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There'S a lot of misinformation even the goldilocks zone you'll have oh earth he.

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Knows what he's talking about this motherfucker watched two documentaries and trying to gaslight us what is the goldilocks zone goldilocks.

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Goldilocks zone is from us it would be from earth to mars essentially after mars and then it is give or.

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Take but a habitable zone for an exoplanet near a star like theoretically like life could exist in that environment yeah.

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So earth one of the things that people will say is like oh well if it moved a couple of feet any which way we would burn up or we wouldn't survive that is horseshit it was we move in elliptical cycle and that shape or whatever yeah and we vary many fucking like thousands of miles would we go around which i.

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Mean thank god it's not that delicate.

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Yeah and that's a but that's the goldilocks zone so it's like hey life can be sustained in this area and then is it what type of planet is it is it earth is it a super earth because now mass is two x so like we would suck at a two x he knows what.

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He'S talking about he's good at this.

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Bone density you have a because two.

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Documentaries.

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But even like spacewalk space mankind two times speed yeah mankind's not i.

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Watched him on the flight he's not.

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Pulling he's not pulling learn this mankind can't even do space like we're not right we calcium bleeds out from bone density like you have so many issues just from a few months in space dude i watched so much you're just.

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Trying to impress the wizard man i.

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Love this this is like this is another area to get charged about because like we are actually getting to the point where we will have the technology at least to get to mars and then coming back is a whole other damn thing we talked about about making your own propellant to come home but now we're getting to the point where it's like human's a problem you know six to nine months nine months probably get to mars then a bunch of time to get back and one third g like first year in microgravity to get there then one third gravity on mars we don't know what that's gonna do to you and then come back home you obviously wanna come back to tell the story on this whole thing and like yeah it screws you up bone density loss for sure you can have all sorts of vestibular issues like cardiovascular vascular issues like tons of problems and then how do you fix them we're not doing open heart surgery in space we're not removing appendixes in space we haven't done that kind of surgery up there and then obviously the radiation environment whatnot and then there's the psychology of it people have cracked in space i said on the sean ryan show i think he made it a little bit more extreme but yeah people have tried to kill their whole crews in space people have had breakdowns townsend's face highly screened individuals wait hold on this.

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Is.

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This is the short that goes.

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Viral yeah because i did see a little bit of you talking about that on because i was going to ask about the sean ryan show yeah because i i got to see like a little bit of you talking about stuff like that and that was one thing i wanted to cover yeah that's that's such a we don't think about that.

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Stuff it's very real and i mean look there can be a lot of factors people have like their hypotheses on this was it like you know scientists who are really you know plus not to mention you're graded up there under government programs you up you know you might cost you a future mission is that enough to want to take out all your buddies but it's happened and it's happened on the us side and on this and on the soviet side happened at mirror so it's not a one time event but the like the.

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Post you know the afterward like the the post fight interview what what is usually the cause what's the cause well.

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They never i mean look you don't know because it takes away from the hero image but i'll tell you like you go back to like early shuttle days somebody flew generally once not more that's not a broad categorization i'm sure a lot but like that usually was somewhat of an indicator that it didn't go great but there are one hundred percent somebody did go for the hatch in the shuttle once that's why they put a lock on it's why there's a lock on the dragon capsule and and i say this because when you're in low earth orbit you know you're basically if we had to come home in an emergency on dragon we're in the water in ninety minutes i mean you basically are on a ninety minute you know orbital period you come back you're in the water at your helicopter ride from a door to burger and a pizza so it's not that big of a deal if you're on the moon two and a half days you come back you got your burger and a pizza and you look out the window on the space station or out of the dragon it's a big earth it's like there it is i know what it looks like it's home and on moon it's the blue marble it's gorgeous so your mind is like i'm not that far away you're on mars it's just a tiny blue speck and you could be over a year to come home that's an environment where nothing we've done here on earth and all the credit to the analog astronauts everybody you know they lock themselves in these shipping containers and try and create these stressors but you're still under earth still under one g if i can.

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If i can throw a counter to that just like a little devil's advocate please i mean it's kind of it reminds me a lot of like the the early exploration like of the the new world like when people were first coming to america where it's like okay that's a three to six month journey you know like it's completely you're cut off from all of the the old world that like all your your family the life that you knew you're going into a completely new space i love this.

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One because this comes up a lot and it's like but the thing is is when you get to the new world water's water trees are trees deer is deer like you know and if you work really hard that's the other thing too is like what is the payback for this sacrifice in life like i'm going to go out and hunt all these animals and sell the fur and then i'm going to build a bigger house for my family and then it's like generational my grandkids are going to have a nicer house it's not going to work that way there's like it is not water's water is not the same you know there's no you know we don't have trees you're going to live in a bubble and you're going to work your ass off for your whole life to just survive every day will be miserable in that environment you will never really feel good and you'll never really feel quite like you do under one g and you're not going to get out and be like well i've done well enough that i can build a bigger bubble with all these resources i've collected so it's going to be tough as hell and i think it's going to to be like sure you know we're going to send missions there like we do to antarctica and you know these people are not going to be doing it for their their own colonization purposes they're going to do it for their nation for what they may stand to learn they're going to have like a tour duty and they're going to come back home and that's it that's what it's going to be like for a while yeah because.

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It'S not like an environment where i i guess no matter how comfy you get there you were still genetically engineered through millions of years of evolution to.

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Like it here yeah to be able to at least get out and like catch fish you know i i just think that i mean look i think there's a really high probability if we don't get the right the the right people on those first few missions you're gonna have like a lord of the flies event on on mars like people are there will be people who will crack turning on each other yeah it's gonna just be ugly for if you don't have it right i mean so the whole thing when people are like yeah sign me up for a one way mission to mars it's like yeah the last person i'd want on my crew sorry like i want people who love life and want to get the mission done and come back home and.

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See their family i want autistic people that are like i am fine being by myself thank you and i'm like cool everyone do you well i mean this is going to be hyper successful.

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There'S those theories that that's why elon is doing the optimist stuff is so that you'd have like robotic drones essentially to be able to perform human tasks there without the well i think that.

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I mean i just think the whole coming home part i mean it's very convenient like elon seems to always be a couple steps ahead of everyone which is is without nuclear there is no game plan to get them home other than setting up football field size solar panels to create the power which is not great there's going to be dust and stuff to create enough energy to mine propellant and turn it into liquid oxygen and liquid methane to come back home and by the way the thousands of people at starbase to do that under one g in a normal atmosphere and it's a lot of work the robots is an easy answer to it of like yeah sure i'll just send a bunch of uncrewed missions and put a thousand optimists on it and maybe that's going to maybe that's going to work and that's good let them do that and i feel like let the government do what no one else can do is build some nuclear spaceships to.

[C]

Help them out so well so let's say like you know fictional reality we can magically put a pump jack on mars okay do we know that there are those resources there like do we know the mineral composition of mars that there is any sort of propellant that's there that we can could refine yeah.

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I mean we know enough about what is already on on mars and the physics behind it to make the propellant to come home i mean they were deliberate in picking you know i mean you need you need liquid oxygen but they're deliberate in picking methane the hard part you know so you got a car i mean you got a carbon rich atmosphere and you've got a i mean co two atmosphere and then you got ice so they can make a lot with it it just requires a ton of power to do it and like who's going out there mining at all like again it's robots the only answer but again i come back to get some nuclear spaceships up there and take you don't have to put the whole burden on a spacex or a blue origin to solve all these problems like the government twenty billion a year or twenty five billion depending on which budget lands that's a lot of money think of what startups can do with a million bucks nasa can do a lot of great things with that budget to help enable commercial industry to do these things.

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Dude that is why.

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It'S.

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Brandon as you were saying it's like we evolved for well here for like eighty thousand years of just a homo sapiens here we are like to a t and then the millions of years leading up to that it is earth gravity at one x that is the biggest thing it's like okay when that shifts what happens to human brains how am i reacting to this we haven't.

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Had the ability to shift just that element for a long time like it's.

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Ever it's pretty like fucking ever this.

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Is like the grandparents generation pretty much.

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Yeah and now you get to see the reaction of people breaking or oh look at all these problems that happen from space huh how do we get past this also you read aurora it talks about that it's like sending a spaceship it's a book it's it's sci fi but it is the idea of.

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I love this episode of like eli mansplain space to the astronaut no it.

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Has a book it's a fort i'm sitting over here having a good time.

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Yeah like i'm having the best time.

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Ever i'm loving this episode this is my my camera's in this i just never get to talk about this ever in my fucking life do i get.

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To talk about i told you this would be a fun episode i know.

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I never fought it that's why i'm.

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Not saying anything i'm just like i'm just watching you guys talk about space.

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Well hey you know bring it back to guns you know that at one point the the russians had a space station up there with a gun on.

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It yeah so i do know at one point with all their all their astronauts they they kept a gun on all of their on the so yeah because if they would re they would land they would have to defend themselves against bears is one hundred percent back.

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Because the so i just finished a.

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Gunpowder like a gun gun not like a space gun but like a gun.

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Gun oh i mean they well first they actually did have a space station up like one of their salutes that actually had like an integrated gun in it i don't know what it was for or whatnot but but no doubt this soyu the soyuz oh yeah you talk about the weapons in space rods from god like dude kinetic bombardment tungsten.

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Rods from space america was like oh this doesn't work really that efficiently the.

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Hard part is getting them up there.

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No and then no the atmosphere is like oh this is actually a huge issue also getting up and then coming back down it just is not efficient.

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At all but you are totally spot on so i read this book recently it was pretty interesting called the wrong stuff it just came out in like i think the last two years and it's all about soviet program you know during the early days of the space race and man they had issues you know like first handful of astronauts soviet cosmonauts when they came back like yuri gagarin ejected out of his space spaceship no you didn't land under parachute they kept that secret for decades so yeah yuri yagarin obviously first man in space not only that first man in orbit.

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He didn't get your safety brief well.

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I'Ll tell you what i think he did because he would have been impacting pretty impressively it wasn't soy as the postdoc they were flying but they had to eject eject and for a while.

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So they had to eject like it was going to they were gonna you're.

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Gonna die they didn't they didn't figure out the the parachutes under under the the spacecraft so they all ejected they kept it a secret for a while totally wild it's actually why like they actually did a lot of skydiving training with their cosmonauts early days and then when they did eventually figure out how to land in the spaceship they'd land into the dirt you know we landed generally in water because it was a little bit softer and it was like people describe it as a train wreck and it wasn't accurate so yeah people like early cosmonauts would wind up like in the middle of siberia and they're getting like stalked by bears and they needed guns yeah this is real deal.

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Yeah which i read comrade we linden.

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Dirt the elon book that was written by ashley vance it was like a biography thing that he basically talked about that in the early days of you know him you know going off and doing the things was you know trying to figure out what he wanted to do and just all the different projects he was interested in one of them was actually a space gun like he wanted to do like a laser rifle or like some sort of you know energy weapon or whatever so elon i'm still interested in working with you on that i think that would be fun.

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It'S still a wild idea to have a gun on the space station well.

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I mean for the russians it was.

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Just necessity yeah it's still a wild idea it's like yeah i wanted to.

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Do a video on that for a while like with all the all the cool like gun stuff that was out there there was some video game that came out that was like astronauts fighting you know firearms in space call of duty call of duty did it but there was one specifically that was just like straight up like astronaut kind of shit but there i mean with all the different well god damn it eli i wanted to do a video for a while that's like shooting guns like actual you know yeah nail the physics of it man that'd be powder propellant in in a vacuum where there's no oxygen to burn like what whatever oxygen is just contained in the case like see how guns operate i think that's.

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Cool well there's no drop that's dope bullet is just going to keep going straight forever when you don't have atmosphere.

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It'S also a great pun that's dope.

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Then it destroys the civilization like a thousand years years from now it just.

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Keeps yeah accidentally start a war with civilization trillion light years away oh so.

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Man so this is cool there is a meme only like only like really crazy nerds know this one about starting a war with an ancient civilization wait.

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Wait wait wait wait do you know.

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Oh i'm thinking are you talking about.

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The manhole i'm thinking the manhole cover.

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Okay okay i was like you have.

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That'S so few people like really know.

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What that's behind all that fat electrician.

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Yeah fat electrician is the only reason we know about that okay there's some.

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Great memes of that of like the invading alien species taken out by a.

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Manhole cover it's the fastest moving object ever made by mankind because i think.

[C]

They measured it in what two frames.

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I don't know yeah it might have been like one yeah it's like and it's gone oh that's what i'm saying.

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We got to get back to doing these big bold cool shit things again especially with covers with a nuclear bomb.

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Into space we've come for the one you call acme sewers.

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Was that one of the manhattan project things is that.

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What that was was testing out in.

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Nevada yeah yeah the under the the underground nuclear program stuff yeah when we.

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Do all the cool crazy stuff and also very did not care about soldiers we're like okay now walk towards the.

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Bomb but i'm to be to be one of those guys that's pretty the videos that came out of that come.

[E]

On oh dude what shit's so cool dude what makes you most excited next in space exploration or just space in.

[A]

General general i mean look we're gonna get back to the moon there's no question and look i wasn't alive for it my kids weren't i want to see this happen and i don't want it to be a one and done plant the flag redo of apollo like let's have the ability to go to and from the moon with frequency and affordability and let's set up a moon base and let's figure out if there's a reason to stay for a while like are we mining helium three are we using it for fusion power here on earth that's cool or whatnot and then move on because one thing i'll tell you if when americans get back to the moon it means either blue origin or spacex or both were successful with reusability of heavy lift launch vehicles it's not like maybe it has to happen it's the only way to get the lander to the moon and when they do it means we will have the capability now to send that kind of mass towards mars mars and it was interesting like during my senate hearing too and it was like everybody was so hard up i mean the republicans and democrats were so protective of artemis and getting back to the moon as if i wasn't like what are you talking about i love space of course i want to see americans get back to the moon they were almost like attacking you over oh one hundred percent because again they thought i was like this even the republicans they thought i was like this elon pawn that only cares about mars what elon knows is is that if you have the ability to get to mars you absolutely can get to the moon and damn near anywhere else you want to go in the solar system as well so it was like of course i want to get back to the moon but if you can and when you can it means that spacex or blue origin was successful which means in parallel you've now developed a heavy lift capability to send mass that matters to mars that's pretty damn awesome so fucking dope.

[C]

That was what i don't know i guess drove me crazy a little bit about all of your senate confirmation everything like that because like you you in my opinion in my humble opinion for whatever it's worth would have been the most overqualified head of nasa since the organization was.

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Made and being generous there's a lot of smart people that like way way smarter than me that could run nasa but i was honored to have a.

[C]

Shot you know i'm i'm excited to see what you you do going forward whether it's with nasa or whatever you end up doing i mean you're you're relative compared to your accomplishments you're a relatively young guy i think you got some cool stuff in store and i'm just excited to see what that turns.

[A]

Into i appreciate it so thank you but yeah all good do you think.

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Elon musk is trying to get to.

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The moon no i mean he very much like that criticism was kind of somewhat rightful that he does have a i mean basically at spacex almost everything they put investment or research dollars into the question is does this help us get to mars but it's not it's with the idea that if you can do that then you can also go to the moon and everywhere else it's kind of thinking you know what it's like it's like i use this example a lot because there was recently a hearing where they brought in some former nasa administrators to talk about the current construct to get back to the moon with blue origin or spacex using rockets that have to refuel in low earth orbit and they were all like it's a terrible idea we should just go to the moon like we did did the apollo program which is a single rocket that does everything and that would be the equivalent in the nineteen fifties of like was like well we need to be able to have bombers that can go hit russia well just make the bomber way bigger then make it so big it has all the gas or someone's like i got a great idea what if we make it so we can refuel our planes in the air and then we can literally send them wherever we want it doesn't just have to be you know russia we can send them anywhere they could fly around the world ten times if we want sounds like a good idea that's what blue or that's what that's what your nations brightest minds some of the wealthiest individuals who found a lot of success that said you know what i'm gonna put all my money into this idea that we can do basically air to air refueling in low earth orbit and send our spaceships anywhere and the government's mindset is like nah just build it bigger so it can only go to the moon instead of being able to use it everywhere so yeah that's where he cares a lot about mars because he knows for the good of humankind we need to become a multi planetary species but he also knows if i can do mars moon's just a.

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Walk in the park i'm gonna so.

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I hear me out my theory real quick have you seen django unchained where's.

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This going one time while ago yeah.

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I'M nervous cody where's this going when.

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You go who's that peck of wood.

[A]

Boy okay we're not going that direction.

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Who'S that peck of wood that blows.

[A]

The glass jerry you mean jerry okay.

[D]

So when you go to a man you want to buy the horse you.

[B]

Don'T try to buy the horse you.

[D]

Try to buy the farm and then he'll sell you the horse so i'm thinking that and like elon's like analogy there like he wants to go to mars but maybe the government will let him go to the moon you know.

[A]

What i'm saying i i think like i mean i think really like look the moon has no atmosphere there's no protection from solar radiation it looks pretty ugly i mean it gets hit by meteorites all the damn time like you wouldn't want to there like that mars is a planet it's a real planet not a moon it's got an atmosphere he knows that's the best it's not a great option but it's our best option for an outpost as a stepping stone to go even farther but he also knows if i can build a vehicle that can go to another planet i sure as hell can go to back to the moon and it's not a binary thing it's not one or the other like the capability enables a lot and blue origin's exactly that's what you know it's a good idea because blue origin's ability to send their lander to the moon also requires doing the same thing of rebuilding refueling in low earth orbit so it's it's it's absolutely the right call but what's the ultimate prize the ultimate prize is to go where we've never been a planet other.

[E]

Than our own so even seeing the like mars the rover like watching that the first time you're like holy and.

[C]

Then watching it my battery's low and it's getting dark it did not they.

[E]

It lasted a good time but they were like oh we did not compensate for a lot of this the wheels broke down there was a lot of it issues with it going they're like.

[A]

Okay poor clanka billion dollar rovers man they did pretty well i guess for money.

[C]

That one gets the soft a but no just as a star wars nerd clearly i mean you got a soft spot in your heart as i do obviously but the thing that you keep mentioning is just the refueling in space and just like the thing that comes to my mind is like star wars episode two where they have like the starfighter thing that it just docks into and like that does the interstellar travel and the starfighter will break off like the thing obi wan was in yeah yeah like that to me that seems like it makes sense especially when you're talking about like nuclear stuff one.

[A]

Hundred percent so actually that's like that's exactly what people should envision of a what i mean like a nuclear tug just sound sounds like less exciting so that's why i call it a nuclear spaceship but it's really it's like a railroad track from low earth orbit to the moon or mars and it's just this nuclear train that goes back and forth like here bozeman there's lots of train tracks around you know it's like you know if you if you got to send a letter next day air you know you just you know can go on like a fedex plane or something but if you have to send a ton of like coal or iron or something put it on a train it's really efficient may not be the fastest way to go that's how you should think nuclear spaceships and you should totally think of it like a tug whereas you might contract with spacex or somebody to put i don't know basically this equivalent these materials to build the city on mars for example into low earth orbit and then it docks with a nuclear space tug if you will or nuclear railroad track and it sends it and it might take like eighteen months instead of nine months but it's so much more efficient to get there and then it can come back you don't have to keep refueling it so.

[C]

You have two separate vehicles for like so you got an atmosphere breaker and then you have what takes you the.

[A]

Rest of the way yeah fight gravity to get to low earth orbit hand it off off then let it come back land do another mission up into space and then let the highly efficient nuclear railroad take all that mass to mars save all the energy yeah there's no like we one hundred percent should be doing it because i mean it it has a lot of applications you know in space just besides that and our bad the bad guys are going to wind up doing it if we.

[C]

Don'T yeah so we want to be the ferryman except instead of china or russia or somebody like that yeah it's.

[A]

Not just i mean like if you have a lot of power you can make things with lasers and stuff and you don't want yeah you want us.

[C]

To figure that out first fair enough.

[E]

Star toe rolled that's wild god dang.

[C]

God that's crazy stuff shit's scary it's just it's a wild i mean obvious you know not to state the obvious but it's a wild new frontier yeah.

[A]

But exciting because it is a new frontier that we get to you know go out and explore and do these things in but yeah we can't lose our skills can't be atrophying right now a lot of even the best people not the bureaucracy that want to do good things have scar tissue right skills atrophied from just being told no for too long or feeling defeated from trying to do awesome things and being stepped on or whatnot and we can't be in that state while the other guys are full steam ahead that's the leadership.

[E]

That'S that's why as brandon was saying it would be awesome to see you in that leadership position because you have that exact mindset and then your employees will also know it's like eh boss wants us to keep kicking ass and thinking outside the box because you don't.

[C]

Even seem to be like a partisan guy you're just like space i like space i want us to win at space and like that's exactly who we need in those leadership roles for space.

[A]

Yeah i mean i want america to win in space i mean you know inspired generations to do even cooler things because of what what the pioneers in the nineteen sixties accomplished and even the shuttle guys in the seventies and eighties and yeah i want america to lead in the ultimate high ground of space and ensure that you know that domain is safe for all sorts of science and discovery and all the exciting things to follow it's just that's what i'd love to see happen before we close.

[E]

This out what is a one of your favorite sci fi other than star.

[A]

Wars okay it's battlestar galactica hands down i mean look it's it's honestly it's better than all that that was so fun done on this i mean we've got we got fighter jets we got top gun in there we got the vipers you know there's tons of dog fighting with the cylons we got terminator in there they look i mean they're robots that try and exterminate humans and we got spaceships the only thing it doesn't have is a lightsaber other than that i mean it really checks all.

[E]

The boxes i love it that was the fastest where are you guys at.

[A]

Where are you guys at on this.

[E]

One one oh shows you can't pick.

[A]

Star wars or star trek starship troopers.

[C]

Okay yeah okay it's my favorite bad film yeah it's objectively just a film i'm sorry if that pisses people off it's not a good movie but it's one of my favorites i watch it at least once a year it's that's.

[A]

I mean that's fine answer i have.

[C]

A marita assault rifle from the movie okay like an actual like film use.

[A]

Prop i gotta look this i gotta.

[E]

Look it up three body problem cowboy bebop up oh good choice that's yeah that's a really good choice three body.

[A]

Problem i mean you're you're leaning into this dude like you're really you're really like an academic in this whole thing.

[E]

Cody i got cody on the three.

[A]

Body problem too i can't wait for.

[E]

This next season you read the books.

[A]

No i just really dig the netflix and i it's a horrible admission i haven't but you know i'm really i like a lot of the non fiction.

[E]

But good choice holy shit dude where first off before we close and where do we find you like social media.

[A]

I'M pretty much on just x weighing in on things i shouldn't well what.

[E]

Do you want to push though you help so many charities you help non.

[C]

Profit i can also do that a little bit too like you have a netflix miniseries what from the first mission.

[A]

Yeah less space technique techie things but more like humans and such going to.

[E]

Space cool i'm not that interested yeah.

[A]

What was that called again countdown yeah it was called countdown it was on netflix but yeah it was just really cool we had a very inspiring crew for inspiration for and in terms of the things that i care a lot about that whole documentary and everything really about the mission was raising a quarter of a billion for saint jude children's research hospital yeah that to me is just absolutely like the worst thing in the world like when we're doing all these amazing things we're flying in fighter jets we're sending people up into space we're gonna go to the moon and mars and yet some kids just get their dealt this absolutely hand in life you know they don't even live to be teenagers i absolutely i can't stand it so they have like spacex's vision is the world is a more interesting place when people can journey among the stars and then you got saint jude's mission vision which is no child should die in the dawn of life i subscribe to both one hundred percent and.

[C]

You love that the people that are all well we have enough problems here it's like well you can do both one hundred percent two hundred fifty million fucking dollars to help kill kids with sickness like that's that's incredible it's awesome.

[A]

That is and elon was fifty five million of that too for for all the half the people out there don't know the heart and the the guy's got but fifty five million to defeat childhood cancer is pretty good yeah that's.

[E]

The stuff i mean we like you're gonna see all of us that's all like we give being able to raise money and then donate like we do two times a year it's all profits we'll make off a merch or whatever that month we donate oh that's awesome thank you fucking dime for this this is going for autism special needs and then veterans and then saint jude's we've helped in the past where it's like hey like there's a lot of good.

[A]

Causes out there and we absolutely can do both it's not binary thinking on this whole thing so stop being such.

[E]

A good human we hate that so.

[C]

Much this is we we can't thank you enough for coming on man this.

[A]

Has been incredible thanks guys appreciate it.

[E]

Holy dude this is god this has been an amazing podcast and thank you again for the amazing day also lending your jets and time in the air.

[A]

With your crew we love doing this and we owe you a flight tomorrow so we'll get it done cody close.

[E]

It out you beautiful son of a.

[D]

Bitch bye everyone thank you for joining the unsubscribe podcast i was joined today by eli doubletap jared isaacman brandon herrera my self donut operator thank you so much for being here we love you.

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See you next time i'm go pick.

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