Losing Doesn't Turn You Racist

Summary

Podcast Summary: Unsupervised with Syd & TP

Episode: Losing Doesn't Turn You Racist
Date: September 4, 2025
Hosts: Syd Colson & Theresa Plaisance (TP)
Network: Dear Media

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Episode Overview

In this playfully chaotic and unfiltered episode, Syd and TP deliver their signature blend of personal storytelling, sharp pop-culture takes, and candid opinions. Their main theme weaves through headline-grabbing sports drama—particularly in tennis and the WNBA—using recent controversies to unpack conversations about racism, losing with grace, and the fine line between trash talk and being out of line. The hosts also recap a wild true-crime documentary, reflect on empathy and justice, and, of course, introduce unhinged games and banter about everything from insurance to boogers.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Personal Updates & Energy Check

Timestamps: 00:00–03:27

• Syd updates about her knee rehab:
  • "Your girl got her brace unlocked...I'm starting to walk heel to toe." (00:55)
  • Banter about complimentary doctors and rehab milestones.
  • Discussion about a hilariously makeshift iPhone tripod and its (dubious) engineering.

2. “Want to Talk About It?” Headlines Segment

Timestamps: 03:27–05:20

• Pop culture rapid-fire:
  • Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce engagement: “No, I’ve seen enough.” (03:51)
  • Jesse Smollett’s Netflix doc: general ambivalence and Jim Carrey tangent.
  • Ace and Nickelandria drama: explored mostly to make fun of Ace’s self-tattoo (“He has Ace tattooed across his entire shoulders just in case he forgot his name.” 04:45).

3. WNBA Drama: Skylar Diggins vs. Minnesota Lynx

Timestamps: 05:23–09:18

• Skylar hits a game-winning three, taunts the Lynx by dancing their postgame dance on their court:
  • “This is absolute cinema...The WNBA is so good now.” (08:40, Syd)
  • Debate about trash talk, sportsmanship, and how the WNBA needs drama to fuel entertainment.
  • Unpacking the discrepancy in how “classless” is thrown at women’s sports vs. men’s:
    • “At the end of the day, the basketball is cool, but people come to see a show.” (09:10, Syd)

4. Black Women Taking Over the US Open

Timestamps: 09:18–14:12

• Venus Williams’ resurgence in doubles:
  • “Seeing her back on the court was like making me feel like a kid again.” (14:12, TP)
• Debate about when and why full middle names are used (“White people only get their middle names used if you’re in like, severe trouble.” 11:26, TP).

5. Tennis Drama & “Losing Doesn’t Turn You Racist”

Timestamps: 14:12–18:29

• Jelena Ostapenko’s post-match comments to Taylor Townsend spark a larger discussion:
  • Ostapenko: “You have no education.” (15:19, cited)
  • Syd and TP interpret this as racially coded, especially given tennis’ country club culture:
    • “There are certain things about tennis that is not in inner city neighborhoods for a reason.” (17:09, Syd)
    • “Losing doesn’t turn you racist. I’ve lost quite a few games. I don’t feel like I’m racist.” (17:52, TP)
• Notable quote: “Losing doesn’t turn you racist. I’ve lost quite a few games. I don’t feel like I’m racist.” – TP (17:52)

6. Name Games, Bets & “Food on Face” Etiquette

Timestamps: 19:00–25:46

• Hilarious game about naming Naomi Osaka’s “Labubus” (collectible toys)
  • If you lose, you have to sing “My Neck, My Back” in front of your parents on IG Live or walk around with food on your face.
  • Runaway tangent about why people don’t tell others when they have food on their face or in their teeth.
  • “At what point did you have spaghetti today? Because it’s still in there, girl.” (22:11, Syd)
• Booger-based accusations; “Raise your hand if you ever had a booger.” (24:44, TP)

7. Spoiler Alert: True Crime Doc Recap—Parental Betrayal

Timestamps: 25:57–43:07

• The hosts break down a jaw-dropping documentary (“Numbers. Unknown numbers”) about a girl who, along with her boyfriend, is catfished and tormented for two years; the perpetrator shockingly turns out to be her own mother.
• Key moments:
  • “You take her to the pound and you gotta put the bitch down. Cause it ain’t no coming back from this.” (33:23, Syd)
  • On the mother’s excuses: “She was raped when she was younger, so she was trying to...stop the girl from dating so that she wouldn’t be raped too.” (41:55, Syd)
  • On empathy: “If you can’t be empathetic, I think you’re either...very hateful or you’re like, stupid.” (40:49, Syd)
  • On justice: “There needs to be something that’s going to remind you of that same incident in the same way that the victim’s reminded of that same incident.” (42:47, TP)

8. Rapid Fire: Presidential Ticket & Show Wrap

Timestamps: 43:07–45:03

• The duo jokes about running as co-presidents in 2028:
  • “I don’t want to be a president and vice president. I want to be co presidents. It’s going to be something the world’s never seen, but it’s necessary.” (43:49, TP)
• Closing reminder: “Throw kindness around like confetti.” (44:53, Syd & TP)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Your girl got her brace unlocked. Give it up.”
  – Syd on her knee recovery (00:55)

• “This is absolute cinema.”
  – Syd on WNBA trash talk drama (08:40)

• “Losing doesn’t turn you racist. I’ve lost quite a few games. I don’t feel like I’m racist.”
  – TP (17:52)

• “You take her to the pound and you gotta put the bitch down. Cause it ain’t no coming back from this.”
  – Syd, on the parental villain in the documentary (33:23)

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Important Timestamps

• Rehab update & banter: 00:00–03:27
• "Want to Talk About It?" segment: 03:27–05:20
• WNBA Skylar Diggins drama: 05:23–09:18
• US Open/Black women in tennis: 09:18–14:12
• Tennis controversy & “Losing Doesn’t Turn You Racist”: 14:12–18:29
• Labubu game / Food-on-face etiquette: 19:00–25:46
• True crime documentary recap: 25:57–43:07
• Political jokes & outro: 43:07–45:03

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Episode Tone

• Conversational, unfiltered, energetic, and irreverently funny
• Seamlessly mixes social commentary with off-topic, absurd humor and emotionally honest moments
• Harsh truths delivered with wit and vivid analogies

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For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of what fans love: no topic is off-limits; pop culture is dissected as both sport and social commentary; and hard topics (from racism in tennis to parental betrayal) are discussed with a balance of generation-defining candor and comedy. Expect laughter, strong opinions, and at least one completely unhinged tangent per segment.

Transcript

[A]

Wow. What up?

[B]

What's up?

[A]

I know everybody had that reaction. I know everybody did.

[B]

We're back, baby. Back, bitches. So, feedback, we got. Our numbers are down, our energy's too low. We need to pick this shit up or we're gonna be canceled.

[A]

And we're doing it now, so we're doing that.

[B]

We gotta start doing crazy stuff on camera. I just called somebody to come give me a face tap. So hopefully that keeps you all tuned in till the end of the episode.

[A]

You know what I think we all need, Sid? It's early, so let's just give a big, like. Just let it out, like.

[B]

Ah. Are you gonna ask me how my rehab was? Oh, you haven't asked.

[A]

A part of me is, like, in such a good mood, I forgot anything happened to you. So, Sid, how's it going?

[B]

Well, that's because you can't see my lower extremities, but I am once again. Things are good, though. I had an appointment today, went to the doctor. Your girl got her brace unlocked. Give it up.

[A]

What?

[B]

Give it up.

[A]

Snaps for God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Sid, congratulations.

[B]

Thank you. So I'm starting to walk heel to toe. Not like, straight leg, like, 10, man.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So the doctor said, sydney, this looks great. You're so, so. Such a hard worker. You're so smart. You're so beautiful. You deserve the work.

[A]

So complimentary. Seemingly.

[B]

Yeah. I was like, doc, please, let's focus on my knee. Legs bending, got the flex in it. Don't flex.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I want to see such a hit on that dress. Hit him with that.

[A]

Oh, y.

[B]

Hit him with that. Hey.

[A]

Hey. Hit him with that. Hey. Hey. So that was feeling good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rubbing on my head. Ah. Rubbing on my head. Ah. Rubbing on my. Hey. I'm feeling good. Rubbing on my head. Ah. Rubbing on my. Oh. Well, I'm glad you're past that. And I'm also happy to hear that, like, your doctor clearly has an infatuation with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What's his name?

[B]

I'm just a girl. Don't worry about it.

[A]

So I think we need to take a second to, again, thank our sponsors.

[B]

I made this little contraption for this moment.

[A]

We have Sydney here with a iPhone tripod, but it's that you got me. I did get you. It was a gift. But there is a tape job that looks pretty shitty, I would say. But there is a Sharpie secured to the end of the extendable end of the tripod. And now we are.

[B]

Look, the extendo.

[A]

Sydney almost rode on the apartment wall, which will be a charge oh, my gosh. And it's extending. It looks like we have at least three feet of extension. And we successfully tallied mark number five. So again, this is a grower, not a shower. Aw, Sid, that's so good. I'm so glad that you're using the present that I got you, though.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

It warms my heart. It does warm my heart. So we're about to get into our segment. Want to talk about it? We're sitting. I discuss daily headlines that we either.

[B]

Wanted to talk about or we can.

[A]

Just keep moving on from. So the first one, somebody named Taylor Swift and someone named Travis Kelce got engaged. We gonna talk about it or.

[B]

No, I've seen enough.

[A]

The only Travis Kelce I have is, like, fantasy football. Second one, Jesse Smollett, came out with a new Netflix documentary.

[B]

Yeah, I need to watch it. So I'm slightly.

[A]

I guess I want to watch it too, but I'm just kind of. I did watch Liar, Liar. Jim Carrey with Jim Carrey. So I'm like, I'd be down for another liar.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Ace and Shelley or Nickelandria Drama.

[B]

I know. Nickelandrea. I've seen that name enough. But I don't. Sorry to that man and that woman. I don't know who they are.

[A]

No, that's okay.

[B]

Do you?

[A]

Yeah, we could pass on that. I know. I know who both. I know who both parties are. And I like. I just wish Ace would, like, mind his own business.

[B]

Oh, is he. He's the light skinned black guy.

[A]

No, he's the guy that has Ace tattooed across his entire shoulders just in case he forgot his name. He has to look in the mirror like this. Turn around and whip. Whip a peek.

[B]

What?

[A]

We just never know.

[B]

Well, maybe it's a family name.

[A]

He's just pretty much talking about Nick and Alandria, how they're. They don't have, like, real chemistry or whatever. But also, like, how many couples on there do? And also Nick.

[B]

Andrea is two people.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, Nick and Al, baby.

[B]

Look, I'm tapped all the way out.

[A]

Yeah. But just know that there is drama there.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Skyler Diggins trolling the links.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Let's get into it.

[A]

Let's get into it.

[B]

All right. Dancing on their court. Some W. Some W talk.

[A]

It was a really tight game in Minnesota, right. Seattle's playing Minnesota at Minnesota. And there was.

[B]

Minnesota's the number one team in the league.

[A]

Seattle is going to be. Seattle's fighting for a playoff spot.

[B]

Like us.

[A]

There was a. I guess a shot that kind of like, put Seattle in like a pretty good position.

[B]

It was her 3 buffer, I think.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, it was her 3 turned around. There was some choice words said towards.

[B]

Oh, were there?

[A]

Yeah. Said towards the Minnesota Links bench.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Cheryl Reeve, who was not on the bench but standing up. There was a big commotion about it after the game. The. The Storm won and Skyler was at half court aggressively and fakely hitting like a small portion of the electric slide.

[B]

Right. And this is what Minnesota typically does after their game. Like, they all do this dance as a team. And so she hit it on the court briefly after they won. She also hit it, like walking off the court, like right before the tunnel.

[A]

I didn't see that one.

[B]

Which was hilarious. I mean, it's like two teams with a lot of people who talk. Who talk shit. So it's just like. I mean, some people do if they went on your court, like, I guess, you know, they have the right to do so. I don't know. Everybody doesn't. But I was more so interested in what she said when she hit the shot. Walked over to their bench. Yeah. When she hit it.

[A]

Cause lip readers enter the chat right now. Like, we gotta know what you wanna. What you say about this.

[B]

Right? We need to show the video to.

[A]

Them because I know what I think that she said, and it wasn't what was broadcasted.

[B]

She says, is you. It's you. Where you at? It sticks her tongue out. Is you. Where you at? Is you. They said that she was saying like, it's you or like something like that instead of is. And we were like, she was, oh, instead of where you at? Like, the mouth looked like it was saying like, is you or something. And somebody responded. Just so you know, she's black. She's not saying. And I thought that was so important to say because black people don't use as an insult when we're talking to people. That's not like part of the vernacular, but speak on it.

[A]

That's something that we know. We touch into it. You have to be really. You have to be really nasty to be called that. It is used quite often in the white community. Sometimes you're like all that. You, like, cut somebody off in traffic. They like throw it at you and you're like, for this. This is crazy. Like, we used to just like get a bird, but.

[B]

Yeah, not anymore. No.

[A]

But the white community does tap into that.

[B]

Taps into good stuff.

[A]

But we don't believe it with Skyler.

[B]

No, not at all. But that was insane. And Cheryl, like, stormed onto the Court furious. But I was watching this. I was like, this is. This is absolute cinema.

[A]

This is. The WNBA is so good now.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, people are like, oh, class list. This is trashy. Blah, blah, blah, blah. There are kids there. I'm like, this is entertainment and this is sports.

[A]

And actually, what have the guys been doing this whole time?

[B]

Not that we want to compare ourselves to men. And I'm not just saying that because I'm gay.

[A]

Totally not.

[B]

This is what the WNBA needs. You gotta have trash talking. You gotta have drama, you gotta have rivalries. This is entertainment. At the end of the day, the basketball is cool, but people come to see a show.

[A]

Next topic. Black women taking over the US Open.

[B]

I know. That's right.

[A]

Let's get into it.

[B]

Let's get into it.

[A]

Let's get into it.

[B]

Who we want to talk about? Venus Ebony Star Williams.

[A]

Yeah, let's talk about it at 45. 45. 40. Thrive. See how I work that in there?

[B]

I do. I like that. But do you. Do you say people's like, full name like that, like middle name too, for like, emphasis?

[A]

No, I mean, like, you have to be like. No, actually, I don't.

[B]

I'm like, okay.

[A]

But I do remember school's full names from like lower school, middle school.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. That's not.

[A]

No, that's not like, you know, all the. Okay. No, no, no.

[B]

I'm just saying if that's not something that y' all do, if it's not something that white people typically do, like. I know. That's right. Venus Ebony Star Williams. Like you. I think you should say it because even though you're not black, you have a non white middle name.

[A]

No, because I was about to say, like, yeah, we do it, but not complimentary. Like, you know that you're in trouble when your full government's use. Theresa Monique plays us.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Did people even know that was your full. That was your full name?

[A]

No. And everyone thinks I'm a liar.

[B]

When you told me that was your liar.

[A]

I'm not a liar.

[B]

I was like. I was thinking. I'm like, it really would have blown me if you had the apostrophe after the. Oh, like Monique.

[A]

Monique. Like Monique.

[B]

Like Monique. That would have really gotten me. But this still to this day, like, it's.

[A]

Honestly, I feel like it's pretty fitting. I will say that I've had a few people that found out my middle name and I've had nicknames based off of my middle name. I mean, there is government proof that it Is my middle name. We can also bring.

[B]

Yeah. Cover everything.

[A]

My mother on air.

[B]

You have your id. You have your license by you?

[A]

No. I can go get it.

[B]

No.

[A]

Do I need to go get it right now?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. So we only. White people only get their middle names used if you're in like severe trouble. It's not like.

[B]

Okay, yeah, we do this too.

[A]

Hey, Theresa, Monique.

[B]

I see what you're doing there.

[A]

It's not that it's like, Theresa, Monique.

[B]

Ah, that's so funny.

[A]

What did I do this time? But yeah, I'm just picturing a young.

[B]

White girl running in, answering it.

[A]

Theresa Teresa.

[B]

Yeah. That's just.

[A]

That young white girl was me.

[B]

Right? Your parents funny as hell.

[A]

Anyway, it's French.

[B]

Oh. All right. So obviously Venus is killing it in doubles.

[A]

She's now playing with her 22 year old partner, Layla Fernandez. And they were tearing it up this weekend. When I watched their match, it was really nice to see.

[B]

You got to watch it.

[A]

I'm too Venus. I watched it. Venus was up at the net, moving, looking powerful. Her reaction time was as good as it's ever been. Like, it just looked like Venus was an older version of herself. But the way she played was admirable. Really was. And having her show out like that, offer some insurance is incredible.

[B]

I had to come back for the insurance because they informed me earlier this.

[A]

Year I'm on cobra.

[B]

So I was like, I got to.

[A]

Get my benefits on.

[B]

Started training. But not unbelievable. Like very easy to believe. Shit's expensive.

[A]

Probably the most relatable thing that we've heard from the US Open.

[B]

I can't think of anything else that I ever hear.

[A]

Yeah. All. Every time you watch US Open, it's like luxury brands and like tennis bracelets and I'm like, okay, insurance, we can talk that. We get that now we're talking.

[B]

She said Cobra. We're like, okay.

[A]

Matter of fact, I fought for my WNBA career so hard for so long to keep that insurance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's on the record. Like I needed that insurance. It's been very o. It's been hard without it. I'm like, goodness, you know, it's hard.

[B]

Out here for a pimp when I had money.

[A]

Unfortunately though, Venus did lose in the round of 16 to Taylor Townsend or partner. Yeah.

[B]

Just recently.

[A]

But that doesn't go without saying that the showing that they put on was very impressive. And it's really awesome to see some people. It's like if Michael Jordan like got back on the court and just started like playing around with These like NBA guys.

[B]

Yeah, that would be nuts.

[A]

Something from a blast from your past. The nostalgia of Venus. Seeing her back on the court was like making me feel like a kid again. Since we're gonna keep it in the tennis realm, let's move on to other tennis news. Let's Taylor Townsend and I don't even. I don't know the other girl's name again. I need to like Jelena.

[B]

Jelena. Jelena Ostapinko. Hasta pinko. More like USA Stinko. That attitude, sassy self.

[A]

Because that smelly little attitude.

[B]

So lose her much.

[A]

So she was essentially a sore loser.

[B]

I'd say.

[A]

So Taylor Townsend was in a match with Yeleta O. Stepango and Taylor Townsend won the match. There was something called like a net court or something. I don't know what that means. Don't freaking ask me. We're not a tennis podcast. Go look it up yourself. But there was an immediate confrontation on court after it happened where Yelena told Taylor that she needs to educate herself.

[B]

Well, she says you have no education.

[A]

Amongst other things. You have no education. I don't know the quote.

[B]

Again, Taylor says she told me I have no class, I have no education. And to see what happens outside the U.S.

[A]

Okay, so that's problematic.

[B]

Yeah, no class and no education. Then she apologized, saying English is not her native language. So esl. Okay, but when I said education. So when I said education, I was speaking only about what I believe is tennis. Tennis etiquette. But understand how the words I use could have offended many people beyond the tennis court. I'm going to call boo bs.

[A]

I think I can also see how her words offended a lot of other people outside the tennis court because that's.

[B]

There's a. There's a certain look of things from the civil rights movement pictures. You go look at things in the way that people are pointing to black people. The way there's a. There's a look hatred there in that point. You have no class. You have no education. It's not about like tennis etiquette. It's. And if it is, you don't have tennis etiquette as a result of being a hood rat gutter bitch, you low class dress servant like type. Energy is what is giving.

[A]

So yeah, it was. And also in a sport like tennis where like trash talking really isn't on the forefront like it is in the.

[B]

Wnba, like we don't use.

[A]

But even that would be way too much for any whatever field you're playing in. Especially if a game of tennis where they Play with. There's. There's an etiquette to tennis. There's like. There's a unknown rule.

[B]

There's a cost there. There are certain things about tennis that is not in inner city neighborhoods for a reason.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Same as golf. There's a barrier to entry.

[A]

Exactly. And so the fact that somebody's talking down to somebody, not knowing this person's life experience, not knowing what this person's about, but you were so fueled after a loss that there was no cheating involved. There was no changing of the score. Like, you flat out just lost. Just bite that. Just bite that. Accept the fact that you lost. You need to be gracious. And losing because it's unacceptable for you to just demoralize and inadvertent racist.

[B]

Yeah, because. What'd you say? Like, losing doesn't turn your racer.

[A]

Losing does not turn you racist. I've lost quite a few games. I don't feel like I'm racist.

[B]

Well, I don't know, because. What is that picture behind you? What's the error?

[A]

What it says Sanger. It's a. Right.

[B]

Right. I'd say the same.

[A]

Okay, so for the people, another one.

[B]

She has a picture behind her that's cut off right at the er. So she's talking about not being. Not being racist.

[A]

The letter right above E, R, is.

[B]

It G.

[A]

So it.

[B]

You're good, though?

[A]

I'm good. I have no hate in my heart.

[B]

A black and white photo at that.

[A]

At least towards black people. Like, I can name some groups of people that get on my freaking nerves. I'm just like, oh, my gosh, how are you allowed on this planet? But it's not black people. I could tell you that much.

[B]

All right, bet I'll stop trying to get you canceled for the rest of the episode.

[A]

No, you can. It's super fun and so fun. I love. I love it here. I love waking up thinking, oh, my. Cancel today.

[B]

Okay, so Taylor did say.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

That she beat the girl in Canada. Like, she already. She already beat her once. And she told the girl, you need to learn. So I don't know if this. The girl said this before or after, but.

[A]

But this begs the question, Sid, have you ever been a sore loser outside of the first time you tore your acl?

[B]

I think. Cause we're in the tennis realm right now. We gotta talk about Naomi Osaka and her labubus, which. The labubus are. They're terrifying to me. But whatever people, they're the obsession right now. I'm sure Beanie Babies were weird to some people. And all the other things that are the. The fad of the moment. So she's naming all of her labubus and like, you know, bedazzling them. So she's at Billie Jean Bling.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

La, Billy Boo, Arthur Flash and Althea Glitterson.

[A]

Love that one.

[B]

And so I'm like, okay, what are the. Like, we gotta guess what the next name might be.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If one of us gets it right, then the other person has to do something embarrassing. Whatever the other person chooses.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You got to do the thing. Okay, so your thing. I've been trying to think about it. I don't want it to be anything too outrageous. But I think I'm going make you sing My Neck, My Back in front of your parents on IG Live.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

And I'm gonna be on IG Live with you. And it'll be just normal conversation at first. Hey, Miss Doobie. Hey, Pops. How y' all doing?

[A]

And then I'll have Scottie cut the lights and I bust in into.

[B]

Wait, wait, don't try to make this fun, okay? I don't like how you're taking over it.

[A]

I'm like, yeah, I can see this full blown production. It looks so good to me. I'm like, yeah, okay, great.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I hope I lose all of that.

[B]

I wanna change, right? I'm like, I wanna change mine, I think.

[A]

Let's hope. And then for you, I need you.

[B]

That's not mine, by the way, but go ahead. I'm not doing that one now.

[A]

You can't like, say a whole one in. Because I liked it. Then change it.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

You need to smear, like your child some food on your face and see if anybody tells you.

[B]

I can see people not even speaking up about the food on face, which I don't get when people don't just tell. No, I don't get when they're strangers too. It's like I've been talking to people and they have something in their tooth. And I'm like, first of all, I'm going say something. I don't know you well, but I'm just say. I'm like, hey, I think I make it. I make it so trapped sometimes. I'm like, hey, I can't believe nobody told you this, but you have something. I make it seem like they've just been around people that they can't trust now.

[A]

Hey, can I pull you to the side for a quick sec? Yeah, girl. Listen, you got a little something.

[B]

And I don't know how you got to 7pm at night. And nobody said this, but you need to do like this. So I tell them, one, to be dramatic.

[A]

At what point did you have spaghetti today? Because it's still in there, girl.

[B]

So I tell them, one, to be dramatic, two, to instill in them a fear that they're around people that they can't trust and that don't have their best interests at heart. And then three, I don't want the thing to shoot onto me while we're talking. Like, I don't want it to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know when a waiter comes and they're talking over your food and you're kind of just trying to start to cover it once you can see how.

[A]

They speak, you're hovering.

[B]

Some people woke up, you're either. You kind of see what their, you know, their. Their mouthful situation in the mouther and region, and you're like, oh, you know, just slowly trying to, like, either move your drink or cover your plate a little bit. Like, oh, okay. Yeah. But you see, like something's about to shoot out. So that's how I feel. If somebody has something in their tooth.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you, you have to, because we're all adults here and you know that we're not.

[B]

It can happen.

[A]

If you're not, like, presenting yourself at your best and, like, let somebody know.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

It's embarrassing, but it's more embarrassing to let that girl keep or keep going, man person keep going on throughout their day not knowing that there's something going on.

[B]

Right? Because then it's like, maybe you didn't tell them and like, they know you're the person that they saw right before this embarrassing moment happened. And they were like, recorded on camera with spinach in their teeth. And then, you know, it's days later and you're thinking, you know, you're just moving on with your life. You start to just see spinach in different places around you. And you're like, oh, I didn't even, like, buy spinach. Like, how's it in my bedroom? Like, this is. This is odd. And then you're, like going to drive to work and there's spinach on your. On your windshield, like, covering it. But it was dark, so you didn't notice the spinach because you had backed into your driveway. So when you go to get in, you didn't walk to the front of your car. You're just getting in your door and you sit down to go to drive. You're like, oh, spinach all over my windshield. How'd that get there? But it Was that person that you should have just told, they had spinach. So now they're haunting you when this easily could have been avoided.

[A]

I do feel like big people or tall people, I should say, have an out. Like, one time. You got it. You got upset with me one time because you had a booger and your nose and you were like, how come you didn't tell me I had a booger?

[B]

How dare you?

[A]

No, time out. Because I'm upset with you. You can't get upset with me. But I'm trying to, like, pick this battle with you first.

[B]

Go ahead. But you just.

[A]

You got upset with me. What? You're mad that I said that you had a booger before?

[B]

Because I never have.

[A]

Raise your hand if you ever had a booger. Babysitters, raise your hand.

[B]

We can't even see them. Oh, you're such a. You're such a. So this is what's going to happen. Whoever wins, the other person has to do it. So my Labubu name in the bet is John Mac and Glow.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. When I thought it was Andre Agassi, I was gonna do Andre Aglossi, but it's Andre Agassi, so he ruined that for me. Thanks a lot, Andre, wherever you are. I hope you see this.

[A]

Hope you're rotting away in retirement for that one, sir. Right?

[B]

Good name, dude.

[A]

I guess for mine, whatever. I'm gonna have to go with Raphael Nadazzle. That's a play on Rafael Nadal. But Nadazzle.

[B]

Because obviously, I'll take it because of the letters, but the sound is different, but whatever.

[A]

Like Nadazzle. Nadal Bedazzle. Nadazzle. It's a play on Nadal Bedazzle. If those two had a baby, would be Nadazzle.

[B]

Okay, y', all. So vote for your favorite name that me and TP did for the Labubus. Mine is John Mac and Glow.

[A]

Tp and mine is Raphael Nadazzle. So now it's time. In the pod that we're getting into, you already know what it is. Just kidding. You don't. It's spoiler alert. It's our new segments. It's our new segment where we talk about anything that we're watching on tv, whether it's reality tv, documentaries, true crime, but we also don't want to ruin it for anybody, so.

[B]

But at the same time, that's on you. If you haven't, like, been watching whatever we're watching, you should have watched it.

[A]

Yeah. Because we're kind of late to some of our stuff, but My bad.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

No, no, no, that's okay. But this is where we're going to talk about just things that we like. We're. We're big documentary buffs. We're big children buffs. So this is going to be. We love cult documentaries as well. Really? Just like I feel the psychology of my bad.

[B]

Don't let me get you off track. Keep going. We're really into docs.

[A]

We're into docs. And so we wanted to discuss this documentary that we watched. And it is a lot.

[B]

Call it what it is.

[A]

So for those who say sick how.

[B]

You said it before, tp, it's sick.

[A]

There's kids.

[B]

I eat that up every time. You would think I would be.

[A]

Wait, what's the full name?

[B]

Numbers. Unknown numbers.

[A]

You rip off the synopsis and I'll. Yeah, I'll add some detail that I thought was like, okay, so they live.

[B]

In a very small town. There's like one stoplight and two bars or something like that, and two bars. And so everybody knows everybody's business in this town. There aren't that many people. I think it's like 700 people at the high school. So even the adults will be in the high schoolers business sometimes, which is, I mean, to a degree. Okay, they're your kids. But other than that, it's like getting creepy now. So it does get creepy. A girl and her boyfriend are being. They are thinking that is one of.

[A]

Their friends, Paige Beckers. Paige Beckers and her boyfriend are getting catfished. Actually, I could not think. I could not, not think about Paige throughout the whole documentary.

[B]

Crying.

[A]

So, so Paige Beckers and her boyfriend at the age of 13.

[B]

So they're being catfished by somebody and they're trying to figure out if it's somebody who is a friend of theirs because they start getting tons of texts that are just crazy, trying to break them up, saying that the girl's ugly, looks terrible in her leggings, like, specific stuff. You look.

[A]

Just calling her, like really, really nasty stuff and creating paranoia that her boyfriend's cheating.

[B]

100.

[A]

All of those things that her boyfriend doesn't like, boyfriend doesn't like her.

[B]

So these things, this is taking place and they're thinking as a friend. And eventually as the texts go on, there's more stuff that's revealed that's like, okay, only somebody who was here or that knows me would know this. So it's like, okay, this has got to be somebody close to us. They sent a picture at Christmas. It's like, okay, so it's literally somebody I'm related to. Cause that's the only people who are around.

[A]

They're like, framing it, saying, like, Yeah, I had 12 points last night in the basketball game. Sent a picture at the basketball game. Like, there was things that they were trying to pin people, somebody in particular. But it caused chaos. Also at this high school, It's K through 12 all in the same building.

[B]

Yeah, K through 12, all in the same building. Once again, everybody knows everybody's business. So come to find out, they think it's one of the friends at first, a girl who also had a crush on the boy. And then it ends up being.

[A]

They thought it was the guy's cousin.

[B]

Thought it was the guy's cousin. The moms are both heavily involved. Obviously. They go on to the police. They. It's taken, like, damn near two years to get this settled.

[A]

22 months. But also what really got me is when Owen, the boyfriend. His name is Owen. Owen went to, like, some kind of sports tournament a couple hours away, met a girl there, started talking to the girl. Somehow the person that was sending these really hurtful text messages got the girl's mom's phone number.

[B]

Like, doing the most.

[A]

What? We never got an explanation.

[B]

The most.

[A]

I'm like, how does that even.

[B]

How do you find that number if you're in tech? So keep going with this story, like, at like, 18 months. This is now when the FBI is, like, finally getting involved. It took that long. The people. The police officers in the town, taking too damn long. The people at the school taking long. Not wanting to let the parents just come in and check phones. I'm like, at this point, we got to. We gotta check for everybody. Pull your phone out. Let me see all the apps. Like, we about to figure out who's doing this, but privacy and stuff, I guess. So another few months go by. Like two months not.

[A]

But privacy and stuff, I guess. But if it's like, who needs us?

[B]

Another two months goes by. I think the FBI gets involved. This one guy is involved with the case who ends up cracking it open through.

[A]

Wait, no. The FBI gets involved. He realizes he gets every phone number from everybody involved. He's like, send me all your close friends. Show me all your relatives. They're checking IPS of all these things. So the FBI got a search warrant for this company that alters your phone number. Like, it's a fake number maker that you can just text from any number. It narrows it down to it's coming from a Verizon number. He then gets a warrant for Verizon. It narrows it down to a smaller group of numbers. The only number that is in these is.

[B]

Like making the let. And it's making the letters come out like as they're making us wait. And then you see is, you see that it's spelling out whose name?

[A]

It spells out Lauren's. Lauren. Who is the girl?

[B]

Mom.

[A]

Lauren's mom. What's your mom's name? Andrea. Oh, Kendra.

[B]

So you're watching the letters Cash with an I'm. And I had already read something before watching so I knew going in like what the deal was, but I was like, I just got to see how sick this is. So what it is is it's called.

[A]

Like also what I appreciated about this though is before we got to the fact that Kendra sometimes in these documentaries they don't show the perpetrator until they announce the perpetrator. They were interviewing Kendra in the beginning of the doc as her mom, not as the perpetrator. And that was. I'm like, I read what I saw. What you saw. I was like, didn't you do it?

[B]

She's a sweet lady and she's like smiling at times and just too chipper.

[A]

Yeah. Saying how caring she was. The verbiage that she's using to express like what she's sexually doing with this 13 year old boy is like really weird. I'm like, I don't get how this isn't like hello as well. Because I'm like, regardless of what happened, like you're talking to your 13 year old daughter as like a random person. Maybe you're trying to seem like a pier, but regardless, the act of someone your age talking, it's weird. Exactly. The act of someone your age texting, making someone jealous about another 14 year old boy is like, respectfully, you take.

[B]

Her to the pound and you gotta put the bitch down. Cause it ain't no coming back from this. I don't care how. Whatever your trauma from your past, A lot of people have trauma in their past and they don't turn into this thing. You're not fit to be like out in society because you're telling your child who's a teenager whose frontal lobe is not fully developed, like you know how high school is, people are being bullied and mistreated people.

[A]

It's hard enough without your mom telling.

[B]

You to kill yourself. So once she does that, hey, mom, super not helpful because I was considering it. So you got that happening and you're doing it for two years just because you lost your job, you had trauma in the past, you're going through stuff that doesn't make you tell your child to kill themselves and it doesn't make you get sexual with teenagers.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

So let's be super pedophilia. There should have been charges of pedophilia tacked onto this somehow. Because that's absurd. You know, just like you said, losing shouldn't turn you racist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like you're, you're losing your job and being at a tough spot in life should not turn you into a pedophile. Respectfully correct.

[A]

Correct. Also, this is another thing that crossed my mind. She got away with it for so long. Like at they kept doing like the time ticker, like 1 month, 2 months, 10 months, 16 months. And she would always come back. At what point did you're like, do you feel like I got away with this? Let me stop messing with my daughter.

[B]

And her friend group on top of that girl making the family lose their house.

[A]

Multiple houses, all this stuff.

[B]

She was in charge of the findings.

[A]

Like, you just weren't lying about going to work.

[B]

She had been fired about not having.

[A]

A job for years.

[B]

Years fired. I want to know what she was fired for, cuz I don't think they disclosed that.

[A]

Also her sister, cousin, I was about to say, whoever the other woman, she was like, I don't feel like she ever worked the job that she said she worked. So there's like not even proof that she had the job at some university where she was supposed to be working in the tech department. So it's really.

[B]

The cousin was hilarious. When she got on there though. She was, she was like, yeah, she been like that since a child. Honestly, she was like, I mean, yeah, there were good things about her. I mean, but there are good things about serial killers. People said, oh, what, he was such a nice guy. I didn't see that coming. Yeah, well, he killed charismatic people, baby. So you missed something.

[A]

Yeah, but.

[B]

Or he was a very good liar.

[A]

Also another thing that I realized from this documentary is that like, police are sometimes just really bad at your job. If you have a white face and a smile, they'll overlook you every time. And I'm just kind of like, I don't get how she wasn't. No, I want to get into it because, you know, the girl that was like made out to be the bully at the school. The other girl that was on the basketball team, her parents came on at the end and they were like, you know, it's really sad that they ruined Chloe's year. She went a whole year made out to be like something that she's not. She had to take ridicule from her parents. Cause we didn't believe. Nobody believed her. Imagine not being believed on something that has this amount of magnitude in a small. And especially in such a small town. It's not like she's in New York City and this is happening. She's in a town of like however many. And this is happening at our high school, which is probably her everything. It was referenced earlier in the documentary that all there is to do in this town is walk around.

[B]

Yeah. And be on TikTok and social media.

[A]

And so this girl was made out to be this awful thing. So the dad or the mom, I forgot which one stated around like month 10 or something that it could be nobody else besides Kendra and the police overlooked it. Also the private information that they knew or like the exclusive information that only members of the family can. I'm like, then why didn't we look further into members of the family? If someone wasn't physically there at Christmas, then why aren't we looking into anybody that wasn't able to take that picture?

[B]

Also there aren't that many fucking people in the town. You could already get rid of kids probably like 10 years and younger. People who don't have phones. And they're really old people because what the hell would they be doing? Like an 80 year old messing around, playing like this, like acting like this. So like narrow stuff down. Talk to five people a day. There's not that much going on in the town. Get it the fuck done. Figure it out. But you didn't even look at the mom.

[A]

It's crazy. Like I don't. I truly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she said she didn't start the message.

[B]

The mom says somebody else started it. And then it went like blank. It went dark for a little bit. And then the messages started back up. Bitch, what you think?

[A]

And she was like, no, I picked it up to see who I maybe I could say so and so was doing it.

[B]

So you turned into an investigator and just got freaky at night.

[A]

So she was like, she was saying.

[B]

Stuff like, you know what?

[A]

This ain't working out.

[B]

His fingers, my mouth, my puss. Something like that in the way she was typing was pissing me off. I was like, is this what she thinks it was? Teenagers type.

[A]

Like teenagers text. Like some of the stuff she was doing.

[B]

I was like, all right, man, if they're abbreviating everything, which I think they are, I'm about to be pissed off. Stuff.

[A]

She. After one text message, she Was like, oh, I'm never going to get to the bottom of this. Plan B, let me just start hitting on this kid. Like, I don't get how you pivoted to then like trying to kill your daughter and pretend that you were with a 14 year old boy. Physically, like, that doesn't make sense to me.

[B]

Very scary of her, but this is what she did. So when the husband was home, he would, like I said, he was way too chill for me. And she was like sitting there, like holding the daughter's hand the whole time when this news was about to be revealed, hugging her. I mean, you're literally watching it. I'm saying this to say, like, apparently on Tick Tock, somebody told me on Tick Tock, they're like, they have theories that it was the girl Lauren texting herself, like she wanted attention or why was she, you know, just making it seem like it's the girl. But I'm like, I think it's very hard for people to fathom the level of manipulation that can take place to brainwash or deceive people into thinking that what is happening is really not happening. Especially when it comes from somebody you love. Like Stockholm syndrome did not just become a thing because it happened to two people. Enough fucking people were held captive and identified or like were empathetic towards that captor to now feel like, y', all, we got a coin, a term for this shit. It keeps happening.

[A]

We need a term for this.

[B]

It keeps happening. It keeps happening. Do you think that munch housing exactly is just a name for no reason or cyber munch housing by proxy? I'm overwhelmed. You're telling me that my mom did this to me. Like, I'm looking, I'm standing here with my mom, she's consoling me, her, she's holding my hand, she's talking to me. But now, okay, so now in my mind I'm remembering the texts that were sent, like, so my mom told me to kill myself. Or like, wait, my mom was talking sexually to me, right? And my 13 year old talking about blowjobs, talking about whips and blowjobs and all this stuff. So all of this is going through your head to the point where naturally I want to protect this person that I believe loves me. So I'm going to say the police are lying to me. People who can't be empathetic. I think you're either like, very hateful or you're like, stupid. And those are the two choices that I have because that's what I feel about racist people. Or people with any ism. You're. It's actually illogical for you to not be able to understand what I'm saying and put yourself in that person's shoes or just understand how this would impact somebody. I think either you're an idiot or you are just evil. Is those two things. You don't have a heart.

[A]

Especially when it's like, explained to you like, okay, this is why it's bad. And you're like, nah, I just don't see it that way. I don't get how you. I just don't. I don't how. Explain to me how you see it in a different way. Then.

[B]

The floor is yours.

[A]

Put a spin on this one. I gotta see it.

[B]

So that entire thing blew me. We find out that it's the mom, we see the girl's reaction, and then the mom has the boatload of excuses as to why she did this. And the excuses were crazy, like we said. Like, she's trying to investigate and she loves her daughter, but she was raped when she was younger, so she was trying to teenager stop the girl from dating so that she wouldn't be raped too. So that's why she was.

[A]

I'm like, so you're just gonna end her life?

[B]

So at the end of the day.

[A]

I mean, that's one way not to get raped, right? Was that her logic, though? Like, I know that's not funny, but I'm like, she's nuts.

[B]

And she's nice and sad. So funny in that way that.

[A]

Oh, my God, it is.

[B]

So what's your final thought on this? What should happen to the mom? Because she's. She. She's free.

[A]

I believe she already served her jail sentence. She. She did it. She did. I guess, like, the heavier sentence, which I'm like, what was like a year and a half to two years? It wasn't that bad for. I don't think that sentence was long enough.

[B]

So they can't change the sentence.

[A]

I don't think you get, like, a sentence.

[B]

I would agree. I was going to also say you need to be registered as a. She needs to be registered as a sex offender.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

But, like, in the meantime, you need to be in a mental institution. You're unwell.

[A]

There needs to be something that's done. Because if you're mentally and emotionally taking something away from somebody and you can just wipe your hands clean of it as a criminal and walk away, that's nothing for you, maybe you serve your two years in prison, you wipe your hands clean of it. You keep no, there needs to be something that's going to remind you of that same incident in the same way that the victim's reminded of that same incident. That's just how I feel, period.

[B]

Mic drop.

[A]

I would drop this mic, but I can't. I would have to unscrew it.

[B]

You can't see.

[A]

Then if I did drop it, there's a cord connected to a lot, so it'd probably swing, but. Yeah. So it's not going to be as cool. So I'm just going to be like. And I said that. I said what?

[B]

I said, good to be good. And she leaned back, y'. All.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

You can't see it, but she put her arm up and lean back.

[A]

I'm proud of that. I'm running for President 2020. Like, imagine me giving a spiel about criminals, and then I'm like, I'm going to run. Actually.

[B]

I would vote for you, actually, with those rules.

[A]

No, I need you as my. I don't want to be a president. I want to be co presidents with you.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

I don't want to be a president and vice president. I want to be co presidents. It's going to be something the world's never seen, but it's necessary.

[B]

Shit. We might be able to pull that shit up.

[A]

You want to run with me? 20, 28. Come on. Let's rally some votes.

[B]

All right, babysitters, you're free to go. You won't be paid this week. My mom's really struggling, so just thanks for your charitable work. So, y', all, we did talk so much this week, which is super unlike us, but we didn't get to down in the dm.

[A]

So out of character.

[B]

But that doesn't mean that we didn't read what you sent or that we don't care. We did. We did. Have. We. We picked one out that we really like, so then we'll add to another one next week. So that's why you gotta make sure if you trust us enough with your business, hit us up. Okay. DM us at unsupervised SID tp. We want to help you with your problems because some of y' all seem to have a lot of them. And with that said.

[A]

Tons. With that being said, we want to finish with a gentle reminder to continue.

[B]

To throw kindness around like confetti.

[A]

Throw kindness around like confetti. Exactly what she's doing.

[B]

Throw it around, y'. All.

[A]

Till next week, y'.

[B]

All. See you, babysitters. Sam.