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A
What up? Hey, babysitters.
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B
Sid, we gotta come up with a handshake for the babysitters to virtually do with them.
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A
Oh, I would love that.
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B
To virtually do with them.
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A
I would love that.
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B
It goes like this for all of our audio. Scissors, scissors, scissors. Requested handshake is a scissor. Like a scissor motion. Like one hand's making a scissor into the other hand. So, I mean, if that's your vibe, baby. Sirs, go for it.
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A
Y', all. What's up? We're back from the holidays. We hope you had a great time celebrating with family or friends, because we sure did. And we got a lot to be grateful for, so I hope y' all do too.
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B
Yeah.
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So, yeah, I have a ton to be grateful for. First and foremost, the thing that I'm most grateful for is leftovers. So what we're gonna do today is we're gonna. If you have anything left in the tank said to be grateful for.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because it was a long week. It was a very long week. Whenever family's in town, like, you're not actually busy, but you're just spending all your time with them. So you felt like you were busy.
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A
You're exhausted.
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B
So what we're gonna do is we're just gonna find a way to be grateful for everything in this episode today.
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A
Everything. Let's get it.
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B
All right, Tiara. Bring us in, girl.
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Okay, we say what we want. Okay.
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A
We say what we feel.
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Than us and yeah, we looking down on haters cuz they smaller than us and yeah, my flow is so damn.
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B
Sick I be coughing it up.
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A
You said that we going flat. Well, then I'm calling your blood.
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B
Okay, you know what time it is? The special time where Sid and I are gonna take a moment to thank our sponsors. That's enough.
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A
Dp. I feel like a new person because I finally got a manicure and a pedicure after.
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I kid you not. I'm like two months, it's been over. You know what? The last time that I would have.
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B
Gotten it on those dogs.
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A
Actually, I think the last time that I would have gotten it was.
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Close to my, like, whenever I was cleared after my surgery. So, yeah, probably like two months or something.
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To be moving because I couldn't go anywhere. I wouldn't be able to bend my foot in the water.
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You know, sometimes you would have, like.
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B
You would have specific parameters. They'd be like splashing your foot, trying to give you your massage and stuff like that.
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A
Meanwhile, talking about you.
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Like, this is why, like, What?
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B
No way. Never taking in a mobilization brace again. We can send her right out the door next time she comes in here. Wobbling on in, start talking about you even though you're injured. Like.
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A
And in English, I'm like, damn, y' all getting.
- [03:15]
B
I thought there was new glasses coming out so that we were gonna be able to translate in real time, but y' all are just. That's incredible.
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A
No, but they did such a good job on my. Sometimes I'm nervous, though. So my right foot.
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You never seen. You never seen the movie Boomerang? But Eddie Murphy pulls back the woman's feet. Like, she's pretty. She's beautiful. Layla. Rashawn. But he pulls the COVID back, and you see her toes, and they're like, you know, like this. The toes are like talons. And my feet get to looking like that sometimes also have thick toenails because of my great great grandmother. Thanks, Mama Gert. So on my right foot, the thick toenails are just. It's just genetic. My mom was like, yeah, your aunt. Your aunt got it, too. But, you know, mama girl had it. Nana had it. I'm like, I don't know anything about mama girl. Except she cursed me with bad feet. Like, y' all should tell me more about her. Right? So there's a different level.
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B
Oh, she was a lovely lady. No, you go straight to the thick toenails.
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A
Like, so, anyway, so I'm in the chair. I'm in the chair, and I usually. I gotta get them. I gotta make sure a place uses electric tools. Don't try to just use a regular nail file.
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B
You need the full sander. You're one of those people that they bring out, like, the chainsaw.
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A
They, like, not fully, but the little. The one with the, like, little head that, like, rotates when they fall your toenails down you.
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B
You wouldn't need. It kind of looks like a wood grinder.
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A
It doesn't. But it's like. It looks like a nose hair trimmer kind of.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah. So they're like heavy metal they found on your toes. And I'll be like, can you go lower? They're like, we'll crack your toenail if we go any lower. Yeah. It's a tough situation. But anyways, I'm saying that because.
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B
Sorry, that I'm joking around. This is a very serious.
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A
When that's going on with my feet, I never want to have the massage on aggressively because, you know, the massage will have you, like, moving back and forth, and I'm like, oh, shit. Like, you're going to knock my footers, but you're going to knock my foot into the like file and like skin off my.
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That's like.
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B
That's like a burst fear unlocked when I'm in there.
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A
It's like Final destination type stuff. But anyway, shout out to Selena. She did my pedicure.
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B
Hey, Selena.
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A
And guess what? I went home and watched after I left there.
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B
I'm assuming something that had to do with Selena.
- [05:52]
A
Selena. Selena doc for 200. But wait. Okay, we'll get to the Selena Doc. But did you have like, did you do some self care stuff? Lord knows you need it.
- [06:04]
B
I mean, not really. No, I haven't. Yeah, no, I let that one just like roll right off my back though. So like I haven't. Over the Thanksgiving break, I do go get my eyebrows done. And when I'm like, oh, go get my eyebrows done. It's so nice. It's not that nice. The lady, she calls me a baby. She's so sweet. She was like, oh, hi baby. Oh, because I like my eyes just naturally water every time. I like go get it waxed. Like whenever she rips the under.
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A
Oh, we.
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B
And when she gets in this tender, like soft.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like upper eye skin.
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A
Yeah, girl. Something serious.
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I've never gotten.
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B
I wouldn't wish this on anybody. Wait, what do you do?
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A
I get my eyebrows. Whenever I was getting them done, I got them threaded.
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B
No way. Sid.
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Sitting in a torture chair.
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A
Yeah. My aunt gets around twice threaded. She gets her entire face. What's her pain tolerance? Hi. I guess she is crazy.
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B
Hello. Hi.
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A
Hey.
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B
I went to go get my eyebrows done before like media day one year. I was walking around with Kia Nurse trying to find like any place that was open. There was nowhere that was open.
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A
You're like desperate.
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B
Any place we're desperate, we've checked like eight locations. Probably everything was closed. And it was like random. It was like midday on like it's on a Tuesday or something. So it's like, like if you're in business, these are business hours. They should be open. So where is it? You're looking so long. That was like 4:30, like the business hour window was like, you know, closing on us. And we're like, we have media day tomorrow. What are we gonna do? And we found this one like business. And when I say business, it was like a business building that like you could rent out spaces within the business. Like.
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A
Yeah.
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B
To run your business.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And there was a threader in there. We walked in, she's like, yeah, like we can Take you. And I'm like. I like, kia, I cannot do this. And, you know, Kia's, like, giving me a hard time, right? Like, he gives everyone a hard time. But specifically in this story, she was, like, really dogging me. Like, if you're not getting it done here, then you're not getting it done. I was like, I need to get it done.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Kia went first. She looked normal. I went in there. This lady did a really great job. I'm gonna start off by saying that, like, excellent job. When I tell you. I was, like, inching down the chair, like, when I tell you, like, I was, like, getting away from her. Further and further away from the chair. She would have, like, a death grip on my head, like, trying to hold me still.
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A
No.
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B
Yeah. She would, like, step, like, you know when they, like, firmly press her. Like, don't move.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they're like. And you're like, all right, this is the position for a perfect. All right. But my. I was crying. I was sobbing. Crying unintentionally. And I walked out of there with bloodshot eyes, red eyebrow, eyelids. I looked like I just went through the worst day of my life. And honestly, it felt like it. Like it wasn't fun to endure. I swore in my life I would never get it done again. Cuz that it hurt. It hurt a lot.
- [09:12]
A
But I feel like threading in my mind is just, like, more painful. But I guess there's the heat from the wax on top of yours.
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B
The wax is, like, one second whip.
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A
Yeah, you.
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B
It, like, burns, like, 1, 2, 3. You're like, oh, it wasn't so bad for threading. You, like, endure so much that, like, rip, rip, rip, rip, rip down the middle. And then you're like, oh, thank God that's done. You're like, I have a whole nother side.
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A
Yeah.
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B
How am I gonna sit through another one? Like, this is crazy.
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A
And then they're always like, mustache. I'm like, did I ask for that? Do what I asked you to do. Don't.
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B
I'm like, y' all can't see how it's, like, insulting if I didn't straight up. I was like, you remembered if I would have asked for my mustache to be done. You don't understand how a woman would feel a little insulted if you wanted to knock off a mustache that I honestly haven't been bothered by.
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A
Because then they also try to pitch it to you after you say no. Are you sure? Like, no. Yeah.
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B
So.
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A
So a little bit here. What?
- [10:15]
B
Maybe it's dark on the Edges, like, so what? Like, you get defensive, start yelling back. And like, she was just trying to make a business deal. It's all business. Like, it was nothing personal, but.
- [10:28]
A
But I had a horror threading story, though. Like when I was. I think I was a rookie and when I was playing for the Liberty my rookie year, I don't know why I felt like just going. Doing something new. Like, I never. I used to have a. Like.
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I know, but I used to have a little unibrow and my eyebrows were thicker. And for whatever reason, I just felt like, all right, well, I'mma just take something off. I'm going to just shape them some more. I forgot who else talked about getting their eyebrows threaded on the team. I was like, I'm going to try it. So I went in the mall. We were living in White Plains at the time, so whatever lady was working in that mall near the Nordstrom rack. And I think a Buffalo Wild wings and all this other stuff. If you did my eyebrows that day in 2011, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. She ripped so much. She ripped so much hair off my eyebrows. And mind you, I've never got it done before, so I'm not thinking that, oh, somebody should be showing me a mirror, you know, to see along the way. Is this good? Is this good?
- [11:35]
B
Is this what you were asking for?
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A
I get up and she's got my eyebrows looking like. You know, when thin eyebrows were in. In like the 90s or like 2000s or whatever. I'm like.
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I was so pissed. There was so much discoloration. Exactly. I had like a tan in my eyebrow line because that hair had been there for so long. But she ripped it off. I could not believe it. I'm gonna sue.
- [12:01]
B
She was like, let me help her out.
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A
I'm gonna check the statute of limitations on this because I might sue. Yeah.
- [12:07]
B
She altered the look of your face. That's kind of crazy, right? But you wanna. You know what? Kind of blows my mind, though.
- [12:13]
A
But.
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B
Hear me out. When a man gets a haircut, he can go from like a four or four and a half to like eight or seven. And you're like, whoa, Whoa.
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A
Well, Marin.
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B
And also I'm like, why? If you're. If you're that guy that can go from a four and a half to a seven or an eight.
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A
Yeah.
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B
With a haircut, why wouldn't that encourage you to go get more haircuts? Why wouldn't you want to maintain that look? That's my follow up question.
- [12:42]
A
Yeah, well.
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I guess maybe some for Some people, it's just, like, comfortability with what they have been having. Even with the new attention, like, you go to what you're used to seeing on your face. Cause it could still be a little bit of a shock sometimes. Like, oh, this isn't usually, like, how I'm looking. But the reverse is true, too, when they get a beard. Like, whether you get a nice haircut, shaved face, or people who add a beard, and then it's like you're a completely different looking person. But men get mad at women when they, like, wear wigs, wear makeup. Like, oh, well, that's deceitful. It's like, well, you have on that hat and your beard, and that's not how our baby's gonna come out looking. The baby's not coming out with a hat and a beard. So.
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B
Right. We want to know what's under those.
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A
What's under. What's under there? Just like, what's under my makeup.
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B
Actually, Sid, I did lie. I did get some.
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I know, but I can't, like, shout out to Tony, I got my hair cut. And the fact that you didn't notice, like, proves my fact that women.
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A
No, I meant to say yesterday. I meant to say yesterday we got caught up in conversation. I was like, she just got her hair cut. Because it was, like, bouncing near your shoulders. And I was like, you went to that lady that cut it from the show? From the show. For the show.
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B
No, this is a different lady. Her name's Tony. She specializes in curls.
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Because the lady that did the show, she was like, I got you, girl. She, like, buzzed my hair down. I was like, no way. I've never had my hair this short of my life. And also, we're gonna have matches for the second half of the show. Like, I can't magically have longer hair for the second half of the filming of the. Yeah, no, y'.
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A
All.
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B
For everyone that wants to understand this, which I'm sure you do.
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We shot the Sit In TP show before training camp one week before training camp, and then the week of All Star break in Vegas. So it was two separate. And you don't film a TV show. Like, okay, episode one, scene one, episode one, scene two. You do episode one. You do episode four all in one day, and then the next day it's like 2 and 3, and the next day it's like 10 and 1. Like, you just never.
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So when I got my haircut before the show, in my head, I was like, I can have this buzz cut.
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Not be in the second half of the filming in three months. So I had to maintain a low cut fade. Essentially what I got.
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A
People gotta go back and look at your hair on the show.
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B
That. Sure it was. I couldn't even like pull it into a button.
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A
No, you couldn't.
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B
I always had like.
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A
You did like a little bun here and then there was a little bit of hair like this. This much. Can you see?
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B
It was like a top. Not like I couldn't really get a bun. It was just like a fold over.
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A
Yeah, it was.
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B
It was fine though. It was good enough for a TV show, I guess.
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But yeah.
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A
So I'm about. You have more.
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B
No. So are you going to say what you're grateful for?
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A
Yeah, it's going to. I'm grateful for.
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Nail techs.
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They put their lives at risk when I come in.
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B
But they know all the machinery that you need.
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A
She got up, like, wiping her forehead.
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B
Man, what a job. I hope you tipped well.
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A
I did.
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B
Okay. Nice. Well, shout out to Selena.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You're a miracle worker.
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A
And Lisa, she did my. My nails. What are you grateful for?
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B
So I'm just gonna say that this week was so awesome. I had a lot of cousins in town and now all my cousins are like out of at least like undergrad. So we're all like, of age and we're like all adults having fun now. So every holiday my cousins come over to my house at some point and we play games and we have a competitive family.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Not to the point where we're gonna play games and like, we're not gonna be friends after. Like, we don't ruin our family relationships, but it does get competitive. And this year it was like.
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Well, the Williams are a family of four. There was three Williams in town. There was my brother, my cousin Emily.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And myself and Megan on the other team. So it was three, verse four. The Williams passed the comment that they're going to win anyway. The game was Cranium Shout out to all the Cranium fans out there. It's a good one. You haven't played it. You should definitely do it. It incorporates a lot.
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A
Okay.
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B
So I have like, we're going to win. This is going to be easy.
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A
Okay. What you.
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B
Well, we played incorrectly the first time around. We did make it take it in basketball terms. Like if you got it right, you kept going. We had one turn and we started the game. We had our first turn and then the Williams wiped the board. We then read the directions, found out we were playing it wrong, went back, still lost. The Williams say that there's like, sibling telepathy. And that's why they were so great. And so my question to you is, like, do you feel like there is sibling telepathy? Is there validity behind what Lauren, Mason, and Lily were talking about?
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A
So they were making accusations about the other team or.
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B
No, they were.
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A
They were saying that about themselves.
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B
They were just saying they were, like, regardless of who they were playing, they were gonna win because they have sibling telepathy. And there's, like, they were raised before them, so there's, like, more of them.
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A
And so the odds are, even if two of y' all don't get it, the third is going to remember.
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B
And also they were saying, like, if you made, like, eyes, like, you can just tell where they were going with what they were trying to describe or what they were acting out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
I do think that. So, yeah, I think that happens. And not just for siblings. Like, could be best friends. Could be, like, your spouse. You just know the person. Well, y' all have gone through enough stuff or, like, experienced enough stuff together or talk about such a variety of things that, like, it's gonna seem crazy to other people. But then you. You come to realize a lot of people have boring friends. They talk about the same shit over and over. There's no depth to conversations. It's just gossip all the time. Never anything, like, of importance or substance. So they're like, how do y' all know this stuff? It's like, oh. Cause we. We talk.
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Right? I don't know how else to say.
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B
We're not just doing trends on TikTok. We're getting to know one another.
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A
I don't know how else to put it, babes. But, yeah, we just talk. So you remember in. In Dallas when we were playing.
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What's the game? Where you put. It's a word above your head or.
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B
Like, you got a word.
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A
No, no, no. It was the one on the cards. It was the one on the cards where you have a list of things you can't say because we were standing over each other's shoulders, like, nope, can't say that. Is that taboo? I don't remember. Whatever it is. I don't know.
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B
We played it. We played it where you have to avoid five terms of describing, like, Wheel of Fortune, but you can't say, like, TV show game. You can't say Wheel. You can't say. Yeah, you can't say Vanna White. We have to describe.
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A
Right?
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B
Taboo. I think.
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A
Yeah.
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It doesn't matter. This is what we do. We spend so much time.
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On Nothingness. Sometimes just, yeah, we're losing.
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B
Imagine how much life we could save if we just didn't do that.
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It's okay. Everybody spends their life doing their own run your own race, y'. All.
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I'm like dying to use that statement any chance I get.
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This thing weighs a ton. Drew Ski, lift with your legs, man.
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A
He's talking to you, Bridges. I'm not.
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B
Of course he did.
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Oh my God. Because actually, yeah, I do remember this story way more vividly. And I do remember the key word that you guys used.
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A
Okay, so you tell it then. You tell it from your perspective.
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B
Okay? Okay. Imagine being the opponent to this.
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We can all guess the word right now or something's going on. And the word was. Literally the word was hamster.
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And Sid looked at Maddie and said, and I quote, you used to have one of these. You could have used to had anything. You used to have diapers. You used to have dolls.
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A
Nope.
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B
Used to. Had bows.
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A
Cause here's literally.
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B
Anything.
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A
No. Because Marty, we've talked about her hamster enough, and I'll forget the hamster's name a lot. So this is something you don't know. I'm like, what was that hamster's name? Like, just, you know, I don't remember.
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B
That was so eerily irritating, though.
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A
It died in. She only had the hamster for, like, not that long. So I was just like, anytime I'm trying to think of it, she could tell the look on my face when I'm trying to recall its name, I think. So when I was, like, looking at the card and I was like.
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You. You used to have one.
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She's like, oh, yeah, that's you not knowing.
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I still don't know the hamster's name.
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B
We don't know the hamster. And also, you weren't in Amati's life when this hamster was a thing, which is, like, also irritating.
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A
No. So y' all were pissed. Y' all were like, yo. No, that.
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B
Yeah. Because that's, like, inside knowledge.
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A
But you can't stop us from getting a point because we give a good hint, even though the hint doesn't.
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B
It was a.
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A
It wasn't a good hint. It was because you're not on the inside of. Exactly. So it's not a good hint to you. That doesn't mean it's not a good hint.
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B
That's like. No. That's like, when you're doing, like.
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No, no, no, it's not. Because the hint wasn't for everyone.
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A
Okay.
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B
The hint was very directed towards only one person with that internal knowledge. Even if. Even if I knew Modi's hamster.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which I didn't.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I would have never guessed hamster. Because I'm thinking, like, okay, so, yeah, imagine just, like, competing against that. But I guess what I wanted to say is what I'm grateful for is.
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My family, but mainly my cousins. I love all my family, but it was really awesome spending some time with them. And I look forward to having another game night with them at Christmas.
- [25:30]
A
Oh. Too familiar.
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B
Cousins time.
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A
Well, I'm grateful for the ability to, you know, play games against other people and give hints that, though they might not understand, like me and the person who needs to understand or the people who need to understand, they understand. So I'm grateful for just that kind of connection to people.
- [25:55]
B
Well, that's oddly specific to be grateful for, but, I mean, you can be grateful for anything, Sid.
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Yeah, well, I'm grateful for just like common knowledge and that everyone can understand and just knowledge that's free for the world. You don't have to be just in a specific group to be able to understand it. Yeah, I'm just grateful for knowledge that everyone can obtain and use to better themselves.
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A
No, and that's a great point, I think, to almost counter that or kind of piggyback on that. I'm grateful for that common knowledge, but I'm even more grateful for, I think, not feeling like you need to do what other people are telling you to do. I'm grateful for rejecting the spirit of conformity because I know who I am and I know who I want to be. So I'm going to run my own race. So I'm grateful for that.
- [26:52]
B
You know. Well, that's beautiful, Sid. And I'm also grateful not to. Not to overdo it or. Okay, maybe just another piggyback on that.
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A
Sure.
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B
I'm grateful that everyone can run their own beautiful race. You know, I'm grateful for the fact that my race might not look like your race, but we're all racing. We're not running the same race. Because what is awesome to me might not be awesome to you. And I just love that I can find gratitude in.
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Just in my journey and everyone's individual journey. Because not everyone. Again, when you run your own race, not everyone's journey is identical, but you're on your own specific journey, and that's what makes you you. That's what makes you special and unique. And I want to encourage everyone listening right now to run your own race. So, again, I couldn't be more grateful.
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A
Mm, no. Super powerful. I love that. I just want to also give some encouragement to our listeners to know that while you're running your own race, make sure to stay in your own lane as well. Like stay in your own lane. Don't worry about what anybody else has going on to your left or your right. And don't look in the rear view mirror. There's a reason it's called the rear view mirror. It's behind you. Leave it there. And why do you think it's smaller than your front windshield?
- [28:19]
B
Well, so thank you for that powerful finish to such a great point.
- [28:25]
A
Agreed.
- [28:26]
B
And also not to be taking literally. Make sure you are using your rear view and side mirrors as well as your blinkers while on the road, ladies and gents.
- [28:37]
So also, with the good does come the bad.
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I was trying to, you know, visit some. Some Christmas bars and get into, like, the spirit. New Orleans loves a decoration. So we were going to these Christmas bars and getting, like, the little holiday cocktail there and then moving to the next one, and we realized that the ferry.
- [29:03]
Was leaving, and if you didn't catch the ferry, you had to wait, like, 45 minutes for the next one. So, like, the window was short. I got the check real quick. I.
- [29:13]
A
You.
- [29:14]
B
You know, wrote it like I left a nice tip.
- [29:17]
A
Yeah.
- [29:17]
B
Okay. Got out of there, forgot my card, but made the ferry. Always good with the world. I didn't even realize. So the next day, I went to my credit card app. I checked it. No purchase had been made. So I'm like, oh, I probably just forgot it at.
- [29:34]
A
No, they just know about you in the city. They wouldn't play with you like that and spend your money.
- [29:38]
B
Yeah, Yeah, I got street cred here.
- [29:42]
A
Yeah, I'm already knowing.
- [29:45]
B
Anyway, so I call the hotel. The bar was, like, in a hotel.
- [29:51]
A
Yeah.
- [29:51]
B
And so I call the hotel. The lady at the front desk, shout to her, working her tail off to find out where this card was. I love working with her for about. She was doing everything she could to help me, and I've never felt more cared for. So the customer service at the Omni. No, it wasn't the Omni. It was a different hotel.
- [30:12]
A
Well, Omni's still gonna use this hotel.
- [30:14]
B
It was.
- [30:16]
It was.
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It was awesome. So this lady's on the. Like, she's talking to me on the phone for, like, seven, eight minutes about my credit card offer me. She's also having me on pause.
- [30:30]
To run to these different locations to see if the credit card's there.
- [30:34]
A
Dang.
- [30:35]
B
The font. No, the Fano Hotel.
- [30:37]
A
Okay.
- [30:37]
B
Shout out to the lady at the Fonda Hotel. Yeah, so I was like, oh, no. I was sitting at the bar at the Peacock Room, and she was like, let me go check. She checked it. It was there. When I tell you I appreciate her effort because she was hustling. I saw where the front desk was. I saw where the. The bar was. It was a jog. And she got there very quickly. I was so proud of her.
- [31:00]
So always go with the world. There was no extra charges on my credit card. I found my credit card. But, yeah, I do this so often that at first, I used to, like, feel this, like, pit in my stomach where I was like, oh, my God, the work that's about to go into losing your credit card is Gonna suck so bad. It's like, oh, not again. I was wondering if you've ever had.
- [31:21]
A
Wait, you lose your credit card a lot?
- [31:22]
B
Hard experience. I've lost my wallet overseas, I think one time it was stolen, so I'm gonna like, Fine, I'll just include that one. Four times.
- [31:32]
A
Four times you lost it. I've been.
- [31:35]
B
That was just overseas.
- [31:38]
A
No, I don't. Maybe one. I feel like I've lost one and had to, like, cancel or something like that. But my thing. Huh.
- [31:51]
B
No id. Oh, it wasn't even a full blown loss.
- [31:54]
A
No. I used to. I used to lose real money. Like, not just a credit card. Like, cash. When we would. When we would have the holidays, like Christmas and stuff, and we would get money and then my parents would take us to the mall to go shopping. I would always have, like, a little purse somebody got me for Christmas that I didn't want to wear. So I'm just, like, carrying it in my hand, but I'm not using it. I'm stuffing the cash in my pocket. I'm, like, holding my wallet sometimes just doing anything other than what makes sense because I don't want to use that purse.
- [32:26]
So.
- [32:28]
We would be walking in the mall, cash would literally be falling out of my pockets. And my brother and sister would always be walking behind me or even with me because this was just a known thing. Sid is gonna probably lose money today. Somebody keep an eye on her.
- [32:45]
B
So finders keepers.
- [32:47]
A
So they will be picking stuff up and they're like, idiot, you drop more money. Like, how do you keep doing this? Yeah, not until, like, we're leaving and I'm panicking when we get to the car, I'm like, I can't find my wallet.
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Yeah. Cause you didn't.
- [33:04]
B
What you're telling me is that you learned early. So as an adult, you've been. I've been better about.
- [33:10]
A
Yeah, that's.
- [33:11]
B
That's really.
- [33:11]
A
I'm grateful for growth.
- [33:14]
B
Oh, that's so nice.
- [33:15]
A
All right. Thank you. Are you not grateful for it?
- [33:20]
B
No, because I haven't really grown. Like, I've been on this wallet that I currently have for, like, a good amount of time now. Like, I'm going, like, five years. I need to celebrate it, actually. Get it a birthday cake.
- [33:32]
No, I feel good about it, though. I also invested in a tile.
- [33:36]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [33:37]
B
Wallet thing.
- [33:38]
A
Yeah.
- [33:38]
B
So I have technically lost it. I've actually lost it in a rental car that they've already cleaned out. Someone then stole it from the rental car company. I, like, literally tracked it Down. And they were trying to tell me that nobody stole my wallet. I was like, that's weird because it's in this parking lot. So I got it back. All the cash was gone, but my ID was in there. So I got the wall, the actual hard wallet.
- [34:03]
A
So they just left your stuff where it was?
- [34:07]
B
Yeah, because I kept like also hitting the noise. So I think the person that stole it, like the siren was going off and I think that it made them nervous so they ditched it.
- [34:16]
A
Oh.
- [34:17]
B
And I got it back. And that was just, you know, that was a few years ago. No, that was probably last year. But again, I got it back. So that doesn't technically count as a full blown loss girl.
- [34:27]
A
Yes, it does. I'm counting that. I don't care if you turned into dude from taking to go find your wa. Your wallet or whatever. But like you lost it.
- [34:38]
B
But also, this is growth. I knew that I lost wallets. I put a tile, a tracker in there. So now, dang, we really the same.
- [34:48]
A
Person in some ways.
- [34:49]
B
Like, I did better. Yeah. Hell yeah.
- [34:52]
A
I'm not saying it's a good thing.
- [34:56]
B
Well, you guys take the go with the bad. But you know what? I'm going to wrap this credit card up so story up by.
- [35:03]
Saying that I'm grateful for really awesome customer service for the people that are. They're doing their jobs. Not like the people that are like, you know, you're doing your job, but you hate it here.
- [35:12]
A
Yeah.
- [35:12]
B
I don't know if she hated her job or not, but she made me feel like she didn't. And also for kind people that keep the credit card so that I was able to retrieve it. Shout out to the people that give back.
- [35:25]
Lost goods like credit cards, wallets, and fallen cash out of their siblings pockets.
- [35:31]
A
Yeah.
- [35:32]
B
And that have the wholeness, the wholesomeness in their spirit to return it to the owner. Shout out to you guys and we're grateful for you guys. Okay. I did it.
- [35:45]
I'm not that person. Typically. I'm just going to say that I'm not that person. I just had some time on my hands.
- [35:50]
A
Okay.
- [35:51]
B
So I was that person this year. And then I thought about a little bit and I was like, the logic's there. So what did I do? Right. I guess you're all wondering that.
- [36:00]
A
Yeah.
- [36:00]
B
Because I told the story.
- [36:05]
So I put my Christmas tree out the day before Thanksgiving. I just had like a random two hours to like take all my Christmas stuff down, which is a. It's a lot of work. Over one month of Time.
- [36:19]
A
You gotta just leave it.
- [36:20]
B
Taking it all down longer. Like, if it's a skinny one. Just needs to be up longer.
- [36:25]
A
Okay.
- [36:26]
B
No, I don't know. It's like a full one. I guess I can. I'll put a picture up.
- [36:29]
A
I'm not trying to body shame it. I'm just saying the slimmer ones, you can just.
- [36:32]
B
No, no. It sounded like you were, though.
- [36:34]
A
It's a smaller amount of decorations. Well, not that another one's larger. I'm just saying.
- [36:40]
B
She'S, like, wider at the bottom. Like, she's beautiful and thick and full of ribbons and gorgeous. Like, I really do. I appreciate her, but she's up. And she's been up since the day before.
- [36:53]
A
Yeah.
- [36:53]
B
Thanksgiving. And I'm like, oh, some people aren't like that. Some people like the day after Halloween.
- [36:59]
A
Yeah.
- [36:59]
B
Immediately they start putting up their Christmas stuff. And my question to you is, how early is it too early to start decorating for the holiday or to start getting into Christmas or whatever you celebrate? My family celebrates Christmas, but how early is it too early to get into the holiday spirit?
- [37:23]
A
It's never too early to have a spirit of cheer and giving in love. So I guess I don't even understand the question. I don't understand.
- [37:31]
B
The question is an issue. There's levels to it, too. Right. You do the outdoor lights. You do the Christmas tree. You have random elves. I do have a. I have a black Santa in my house, y'.
- [37:41]
A
All.
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B
And I'm gonna come clean about this store.
- [37:43]
A
Please.
- [37:44]
B
I was shopping in Marshalls.
- [37:47]
I was shopping in Marshalls, and I wanted a black Santa. I was on a mission for black Santa. Black Santas are scarce out there, which we can get into that another time.
- [37:56]
A
Right? Because they're not.
- [37:58]
B
I was. I was in Marshalls again, needing absolutely nothing besides this black Santa. There was one. I make eye contact with the Santa. I like. I, like, pick up the pace. I have, like, long legs, so it seemed normal. I pick up the pace. I cut this black lady off. I don't know what she was going for, but I had to assume it was the only black Santa because it was the only black Santa. I picked up that Santa. I'm looking at it. I'm, like, not even trying to make eye contact with her because I had guilt there. I'm like, should I just give it to her? Like.
- [38:28]
I'm sure her family would really appreciate this.
- [38:30]
A
Hell, yeah.
- [38:31]
B
And then I was like, but I need this black Santa more than anything.
- [38:34]
A
She's talking about you to this day.
- [38:36]
B
So I just decided to keep my head down. I put that. There was this white man in Marshalls.
- [38:42]
I was like, no way. Yeah. But I did. I didn't look at her. I put my head down. I put that Santa into my cart, and I checked out. Like, I didn't even, like, continue to drag the day on because I'm like, I got what I needed and I had to get out of there.
- [38:56]
A
Did you feel like you were being followed?
- [38:59]
B
No.
- [39:00]
A
Okay.
- [39:00]
B
I think she just, like, chalked that one up as an L. Like, she also didn't, like, say anything. Like, yeah, like, I clearly got there first. But, like, if she would have picked up her pace, it could have been a battle. It was, like, one of those situations. It was, like, unspoken. Like, we both want, like, you know, the parking lot situation. I have my blinker on. But she could have got there. Like, y' all both.
- [39:22]
A
She's, like, reaching, and you're like, oh, did you want this one? She was like, no, I wanted the Asian Santa, actually. Like, I don't want that one. And now you look like next year lady. Next year lady.
- [39:35]
B
I got what I needed.
- [39:39]
So. Yeah. So I'm like, what level do you decorate for the holiday? You celebrate Christmas?
- [39:45]
A
Yeah.
- [39:45]
B
You celebrate Christmas?
- [39:46]
A
Yeah, I'm like. So I like simple. I'm a. I like simplistic stuff. Like, not too much going on. Like, on a house. I like for there to be, like, just, like, the small lights on the, like, trim of the house, and then, like, if there's a driveway, up the driveway. And then, you know, the little, like, the balls that hang from the tree.
- [40:11]
B
The ornaments.
- [40:12]
A
The tree. Yeah, those. I feel like. I feel like those are cute in the tree. And they're like this.
- [40:22]
B
I love a Chucky. A chunky, multi colored Christmas light. Like a Christmas story. Like an old school 90s.
- [40:30]
A
Like, okay. I saw some recently. I was like, it does look good. It looks good.
- [40:35]
B
It looks so good.
- [40:36]
A
It can be overdone.
- [40:38]
B
Okay, it could. Some people can overdo. And also, if that's your flavor, go for it. Like, I do appreciate the houses that I'm like, where do you store this when it's not Christmas? Like, does all this fit in your attic? Do you have to, like, run out of storage room every month? Like, your level of commitment to this is insane. And I'm like, a part of me is like, I appreciate it.
- [41:01]
A
Yeah.
- [41:03]
B
I couldn't be the one to do it. Like, I like a. I like a. Like a wreath on my door.
- [41:07]
A
I like to like Aretha Franklin like, cheery.
- [41:14]
Damn. You like that one?
- [41:15]
B
Yeah, I did love that one. A part of me wants to put, like, Franklin across my wreath, because that's hilarious.
- [41:24]
Oh, my God. That's good. But also, like, I have multiple Christmas trees in my house. Like, I have the little old school one that's, like. It kind of ceramic, and it's green, and they. The lights, like, light up on it.
- [41:37]
A
Yeah.
- [41:37]
B
I have this other one that's clear, but I put, like, little lights in it.
- [41:41]
A
The one you showed us.
- [41:42]
B
I have, like, all these little nutcrackers. Like, I love Christmas.
- [41:47]
A
Yeah.
- [41:47]
B
Because it's, like a time of the year where everybody can just be a little bit nicer. Like, there's, like, cheer in the air. Like, the spirit is here. There's no secret. It was like when you had to quarantine. Like, we all knew we had to quarantine at Christmas time. Like, there's no.
- [42:03]
Well, those people are also probably missing the boat on this situation, too.
- [42:10]
Same group of people we're talking about here.
- [42:14]
But I just, like, love the time also, like, you're just. People are just, like, a little bit easier to deal with, you know?
- [42:20]
A
I want to believe that.
- [42:21]
B
I don't know if it's true.
- [42:22]
A
Yeah, I don't think it is.
- [42:24]
B
Are you, like, a Christmas. Are you, like, a Christmas song listener?
- [42:29]
A
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
- [42:30]
B
And when is, like, an appropriate.
- [42:31]
A
Merry Christmas, baby? Show the treatment. Nice.
- [42:38]
He wrote me a diamond ring for Christmas Feel like I'm in paradise.
- [42:46]
So.
- [42:47]
B
Oh. I mean, I was just kind of thinking, like, oh, the weather outside is frightful. Well, I didn't know what Christmas song you. I don't know what your Christmas theme is, but mine seems a little bit more cheery.
- [43:01]
A
You got a problem with my Black Christmas playlist?
- [43:04]
B
It sounded like grunge. It sounded like you were, like, in the. In a basement in Seattle coming out with, like, the next Creed album. Like, I didn't know what that was.
- [43:13]
A
No, that's Otis Redding. Merry Christmas, baby. Great song. I'll send it to you.
- [43:17]
B
Oh, my bad. That, like, you just didn't sound.
- [43:19]
A
I did it such. Like, such justice. When you go listen to it, you'll be like, oh, this is why she was doing. She was doing.
- [43:25]
B
No, I think when you. When you hear it back, you'll also understand where I'm coming from.
- [43:32]
But we'll let the babysitters decide. All right, Otis. Sorry about that, dude. Like, Sydney could have done you way better than that. To the point where I confused you with Seattle grunge. Basement music. So happy holidays.
- [43:49]
A
So Otis Redding will never actually get that message. Otis Redding is dead. So that was highly insensitive.
- [43:56]
B
It's unfortunate.
- [44:01]
That's unfortunate because. Or maybe it's.
- [44:06]
To his benefit that he didn't hear what you did to a song. I'm sure there's a lot worse renditions in the world. I will say that.
- [44:14]
A
Yeah, mine's up there. Ooh.
- [44:18]
B
It was a. Like, you've had way more like. I do think that you're a pretty decent singer when you're in your octave.
- [44:24]
A
Yeah, that's true. Thanks, tp.
- [44:27]
B
But Otis Redding would be in your octave, so that's also confusing.
- [44:34]
Anyway, I just feel like.
- [44:38]
It'S time to get into this discussion because, you know, it's been hard for me to not speak to you. Sid and I decided that we weren't going to talk about it until we were live on air, y'.
- [44:49]
A
All.
- [44:49]
B
And we watched the.
- [44:54]
Netflix documentaries. Hold on. Spoiler alert.
- [45:03]
So if you haven't watched it, the Carmen family deaths is on Netflix, and Sydney and I watched it, and.
- [45:12]
We'Re about to get each other's take on the whole situation.
- [45:15]
A
Yeah.
- [45:16]
B
Live right now. Which has been, again, very difficult for me. I am an over sharer and I love talking.
- [45:21]
A
Mind you, we're on a flight early this morning out of Houston. So I'm like, I didn't have a chance. We were, like, with family yesterday and saw some of my friends.
- [45:31]
And so I. I couldn't.
- [45:37]
What am I trying to say? What? I lose my train of thought adhd?
- [45:40]
B
That was okay. Get back on that train.
- [45:43]
A
So I didn't have time to. To watch it yesterday or day before yesterday. So this morning I'm like, okay, I'm gonna download it on my phone so I can watch it on the plane. Start watching it on the plane. But I'm also exhausted. So I see like, 10 minutes.
- [45:57]
B
And also, you love a good plane.
- [45:59]
A
I love a good plane nap. You know that. So I saw, like, 10 minutes, and then I was knocked. So I was watching like, once I got back to Indy, I'm like, watching in the airport, waiting for the bags. I'm watching in the lift. So I was just.
- [46:14]
I mean, immediately I was thinking that. Okay, not immediately. A few minutes in, I'm hearing facts presented, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I think that this kid did this.
- [46:27]
I don't remember what it even was that made me be like, no, this is gotta be the case. But, you know, like, sometimes you'll. You'll watch a Documentary like this, especially if you've seen the trailer, like you'll have information that like, yes, somebody was arrested, went to jail, but some people are trying to say that it wasn't them or there might be another person who got off. But in this one I was just like, no, it was him.
- [46:49]
B
So essentially the Carmen family deaths are about this family that the grandfather was very wealthy.
- [46:59]
He was found murdered in his house with no like sign of breaking an enery.
- [47:06]
A
And he was agreed he was a struggle that they think maybe he was.
- [47:11]
B
A self made multi, multi millionaire. He was worth like $42 million or something like that. He had five daughters, I think one of which is Linda, the mother of Nathan. Nathan is the suspect in question. Nathan is an autistic 19 year old at the time of his mother's death.
- [47:38]
And his grandfather was murdered three.
- [47:41]
A
Three years prior.
- [47:42]
B
Years before. Three years prior. And they only looked into him also. He is autistic. Right. This is what I think. Like I do think that he did it. I don't think that. I think it looks so murky because there was a lot of like unanswered questions for me. And also like this seemingly was the first time they dealt with someone with his.
- [48:10]
Disability or, or this is the first time that like police are like, I feel like are dealing with someone with neurodivergence. The way that neurodivergent brain works versus neurotypical brains are very, very different. So I think that like the way that they approach the situation was left room for a lot of error because they didn't tailor it to the type of brain that he has in the way that his brain works or his answers.
- [48:40]
A
But there was just some like, they were like, oh, there's no emotion behind it. But it's like, well it was just very like literal. So what you're thinking, you can mistake it for like what you callousness is.
- [48:52]
B
Not what he would do.
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A
Yeah, you mistake it for like callousness is in not caring, which he also very well could. Could. That could be the case too, but.
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B
Right.
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A
It doesn't always mean that because their.
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B
Brain work the same as yours.
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And they were treating him like he had a neurotypical brain. And I just, I think that it made the investigation incredibly murky. And also I think they kind of like undermined him because they knew that he had autism. And I think that he's a extremely intelligent guy and they were just saying like, well then how do you do this? Just because you have autism doesn't mean you're Stupid. In fact, it probably means that there's like a level of intelligence that a lot of kids with autism have that like neurotypicals just can't reach. And also the way that they view the world is very different. And like, one of the key things that they were like talking about is he had a straw that converted salt water to fresh water so you could drink it. Why would you need that in your survival kit if you're crossing that big bay? Like, if somebody gave me that as a gift or if I found out about that, I would throw that in my survival kit because I'm like, I wouldn't know if I needed this until I needed this and throw it in there. Like, I don't think that that was like a telling item to have. And also, like, when you have neurodivergence, you want to make sure that everything with whatever interest you're into, obviously his was fishing. You want to make sure that everything in your checklist is checked. There's not one thing that you wouldn't do for your passion, for your interest. So him having all these tools, him going on all these fishing trips, him understanding all these different parts of the boat and why he was running, this made so much sense. Like the way that he described, even like when he was sitting in court, like at question, like the way that he was answering. He seemed like not a 19 year old being like, oh, the boat. He was like, very thorough in like the pieces of the boat, the machinery in the boat. Like he knows what he's talking about. Which I just find like, interesting because I do think that he did it, but I don't understand how to get to.
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A
So I'm looking at the other things that we saw him, like the notes that he was writing, what he wrote before he was going out onto the boat with his mom, like about finding it repulsive or something. Having to prove your innocence. Like, right. There were a lot of weird things.
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B
That also how he came in. He came in from his grandpa's murder being like, I can't believe they blew his brains out.
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A
Right?
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B
No one told him. No one told anybody.
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A
Right.
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B
In which. The way his grandpa. Grandpa was murdered. So mm.
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Alibi like, you don't leave that hometown and you just got lost. Going off the wrong exit was kind of.
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A
And I know for the cops, you probably like, at a certain point you're frustrated because you're like, no, this kid, he may be autistic, but you did this thing too, though maybe you are just an autistic sociopath. Like Cause that's possible, too. Like, there are serial killers who have been smart. You gotta be to some degree to stay hidden for a long time to get away with stuff. So there's a level of intelligence. You just use it for wicked behavior. But I was looking at the other things in conjunction with what he did. All right, so another, like, crazy thing that happened, in addition to all the things that he has for the boat, for fishing, because he's super knowledgeable, you got the. You have John's nephew who was like, I told Linda, Nathan's mom, like, if you go out on that boat with him, like, that's gonna be the last time we see you. So for him to have that feeling and that awareness, for Linda's sisters to not have forgiven Nathan because they believed he killed the grandpa. So they're like, we're let. We're just letting him be around.
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B
Yeah.
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A
The family knowing that this is the case.
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B
And there's just some elements to, like, the. The evidence that they had against him that were just, like, so telling. Like, why would you buy an automatic rifle and then not have it anymore if you didn't do something that you weren't supposed to do with it? Like with his grandma. Grandfather's murder? Like, why wouldn't you have the gun that you just purchased? Brand new.
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A
Yeah. And then what. When the boat. So the mom.
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Whatever he did, whether he pushed her out the boat or however it happened, the mom was no longer on the boat, but he got onto, like, a raft and had a. What's it called? What's the ring? What's the little ring?
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B
You float like a life raft or.
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A
Like a lifeboat had a life raft.
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B
And like, an inflatable life.
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A
An inflatable lifeboat out there.
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B
In a survival kit.
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A
In a survival kit. But he's telling people that he was on the boat. Once they finally rescue him, it's like, eight days later. He's saying that he was out at sea that whole time, that he was using all this stuff in his kit to try to survive in there. Like, this just isn't adding up. Like, there's no way he would have had this amount of strength coming back to shore to, like, climb up the stairs, do all of this. And they tried to refute that when they bought in. What, like, the Navy SEAL who was like, well, when you are getting rescued, adrenaline pumps in. So I feel like they constantly had something to negate what we were seeing as. So clearly he did this, which is partially why I hate, like, Burden of Proof. Like, you gotta. You could Say anything I could make. I could murky the waters up for damn near any situation.
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B
Right.
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A
You know what I'm saying?
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B
But so. And. But also, I'm like, what. What irritated me was that they didn't bring in evidence. Like, okay, if he wasn't on the life raft for seven days, then what was he doing?
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A
Yeah, because like, they said, he could.
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B
Have been hiding in plain sight.
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A
True, true, true, true.
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B
Like, but they didn't bring in any evidence. Like, if he wasn't on the life raft for seven days and you couldn't find the boat or either human being, y' all couldn't bring us one thing that he did. Because if he just was on the life raft for hours, like they said, right? And he just so happened across the. The junk boat or whatever they said the boat was, that almost, like, ran him over.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. If that is true, which it could very well be true, like, with the way that your body works and you not using your muscle groups, and also, like, the equilibrium piece where you're going like this for days, like, you. Your balance just isn't there anymore. Like, all these scientific facts do make sense to me.
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A
Me.
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B
But y' all couldn't bring in one piece of evidence of him making landfall somewhere. Was there somebody else involved? Like, did he. So he just did all this.
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A
He's just off the shore, like, the. The. If the ocean is, like, so expansive and massive. If he went somewhere, got on something and.
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B
But there's not, like, a marina or, like, a videotape. You couldn't. Like, he needed to get food for seven days unless he planted that far. But he had his searches.
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A
What was it he had. He had something else, though, that they said.
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B
The fisherman said that he didn't get on that boat with any food, any. Anything.
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A
I'm sure he talked.
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B
We were just, like, drilling holes in the back.
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A
He stopped.
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B
What was he doing for seven days?
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A
I think, like, laying down on a bed versus being in an ocean where you are. You're gonna be dizzy. It's like if I was spinning around for a long time. Going like this with your head all day.
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B
But also, like, I've been on a cruise before, and I know it's like a different size that's not the same like that, but, like.
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A
But that's not the same still.
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B
Like. Okay, so you think that he packed up all the stuff for the amount of time that he needs to be there for and spent time in the boat, or do you think he went out, came back? Yeah, I think that he was Missing.
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A
Yeah, he was just. I think that had to be the case.
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B
And then he went back out, sunk the boat. Yeah, but do you know how many, like, coast guards were out? Like, I think he had.
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A
You're literally saying everything that we're all believing he or I thought, like, that's what made the case. Like.
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B
Yeah, but they didn't bring one piece of evidence. Like, the kid said that he was floating for seven days and y' all just said he wasn't. Y' all didn't say he also. He wasn't.
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A
Because let's say. Let's say, okay, they didn't bring enough information. The thing that I always feel like is unnecessary to bring so much more information to something prior when what you learn after pretty much confirms what you believe happened is that he killed her because he went and put. Got a life insurance. I mean, got insurance for the boat. After that ordeal, like, we know what he was asking those details about his grandfather's trust. If his mom were to be the one to die first or if his grandpa. And I know once again, he's just meticulous and wanting to ask a lot of questions. But the fact that your mind is going to ask these questions confirms that the other stuff you were doing is looking more and more shady. The little doubt that I had, like, maybe it was this. I'm just like, oh, yeah, you. You figured out a way. I don't know how you did it, but you did it.
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B
And the way that he was pleading the Fifth on, like a lot of key questions and refused to take a polygraph test, there was like a lot of things that were like, okay, but it's also smart and legal. Like, you can plead the Fifth, you can refuse a polygraph. Like, but it was just ironic that, like, if you were so wanting to help, find out what happened, why you wouldn't try to help and. And maybe point them in if you're. Especially because, like in the gram in the grandfather's case, they said that he was the sole suspect.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they never even had another suspect on the table. It was literally just Nathan. Yes. And now it's a cool case because.
- [58:29]
A
And the mom was getting. The mom was getting like 10 million. A little over 10 mil because each child, there were four daughters. And I think he had like a 42 million dollar trust or something. So, like, that's how much he was leaving behind. So they're getting a little over 10 mil each. And if Linda dies, if Nathan Moms dies, if Nathan's mom dies, he ends up getting Whatever. Like she. She left for him so.
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B
Well, I wasn't that the case so.
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A
Because she wasn't getting the house anymore but he was getting money.
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B
I'm not sure. But I do want to ask like you think the mom could have killed the grandpa and Nathan was there and.
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Like they both just stayed quiet. Cuz he was trying to like protect his mom in that case.
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A
Because we did know the mom and the granddad, they did not get along all the time.
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B
They didn't get along.
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A
And he was. He was.
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B
Nathan went through. Cuz Nathan was also checked into like an institution and they did like a lot of like.
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Just really like scary therapies. Like electro. Like shock therapy in the grandpa. And you just don't know what kind of twin sister.
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A
His twin sister went through that. So he didn't want to see.
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B
Exactly.
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A
His daughter put his grandson through that because he saw what he did to his sister and.
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B
Right.
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A
Couldn't. Couldn't imagine having your grandchild also go through that. So he's like, you don't need a mental institution. It's like he. He might not. But if the mom feels like he needs some help and she needs. Or the parents feel like he needs some help. They're living with him all the time. You're not like that might be a call that they have to make about their circumstances.
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So it was just super.
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B
It's just interesting. It's also there was.
- [60:19]
The evidence that they. That they did have. They never like saw all the way through. So like all these things were left wide open for interpretation. Like they never. I don't think they closed any case. They never found Linda's body. And they also never found out who killed the grandpa. So like all this is open ended. And also he was found dead in prison. Right. With the shoelaces or something like that. And so like there is no more answers to be had. Like what they have is what they have. And it's just kind of crazy that.
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You have all this information. You have a gut feeling, but you can't pin it in any kind of way. And it's just you. These are one of these things in life where you just have to like accept that you're not gonna know. Like if I'm in their family, I've just accepted I'm never gonna understand what happened to my dad and my sister.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But I just got to move on with that. Like you can't. That would be a really hard thing to just live with every day asking why. Like it's just like you'll never know. And that's. That's what seems really tough. And my last and final point is, like, I think that the way that they did this, they were trying to. Or they weren't trying to. I don't know what they were trying to do, but they almost, like, villainized the fact that he had autism when really, like, he didn't do these crimes because he had autism. I feel like he did these crimes as an individual. And we don't know what his child.
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A
Yeah.
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B
With the mental illness, with the way that his grandpa. I don't know, like, if he saw his grandpa beating up on his mom and his aunts and. Or, like, what he experienced when they.
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A
Put him in the hospital. Yeah, yeah.
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B
So they. They mentioned the fact that he could have narcissism, but also there's a lot of other things that are probably undiagnosed and, like, the mental health realm that, you know, was probably the main contributor as to why he sought these crimes through, not because he has autism. And I think that they need to do a better job of just stating that piece that autism doesn't mean you're a villain. It's actually quite the opposite.
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But, yeah, I just wanted to make that point as well.
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A
Great point.
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B
But it was a good documentary. I do recommend it if you're into.
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A
I would hope you do. If you talk this much about it. If you don't recommend it after all of this. That's insane.
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B
Yeah, definitely don't watch it.
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What a waste of time if I mess up that.
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A
All right, tv, you already know what time it is.
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B
It goes down in the dms. It goes down. It go down in the dms. It go down. It go down.
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A
Nice.
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B
So this was a really. This is a really good one.
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A
Yeah, you need to read this one.
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B
So.
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Maggie wrote into us.
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And said, I don't know if you guys have seen the Stranger Things episodes, but this little girl and it looks exactly like tp. And she sent a screenshot of this girl and Maggie, but not only tp.
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A
Let me. Let me paint for our audio listeners, the picture that she attached to the DM is of her holding a phone. You can see her knee in, like, part of the seat in front of her. So she's in a car, but she either has two phones or she asked somebody else, like, let me see your phone so I can take this picture. This looks like. This looks so much like tp, I have to let her know. So for you all to have a visual, she believed that this genuinely looked like you.
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And it does.
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B
On the road, it does really look like me. So, Maggie, thank you for taking the time and maybe asking friends around you or whatever to get this. And thank you for thinking of me in this moment in the car with you watching Stranger Things, yo, because it was really good. No, she. This kid does look like me, and she does. You know, maybe I can pull up a picture of me as a kid. I don't really know because I feel like it looks like me as adult, like, both, but just shrunken down into a kid.
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A
You've had several look alikes because somebody even DM'd us or, like, tagged us.
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B
No, I could see this one a lot.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And. But this is like a slippery slope. Like, if you're like, oh, you look like. And you don't appreciate the way that the person that comes after that statement looks like, it's like, oh, you think I look like that?
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A
Oh, okay. Well, thank you, Maggie.
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B
Thank you, Maggie, for taking time out of your day to send this in. This was good stuff.
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A
Gave us a good chortle. Oh, well, I mean, that's the end of episode. What are we at 18 now? Episode 18, y'. All. We're almost in the 20s. This is crazy.
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B
Oh, my gosh. What are we gonna do for our 21st birthday and my birthday? I mean, episode?
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A
I don't know. We gotta plan it.
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B
We gotta figure it on. But we're gonna be legal.
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A
Hey, we love y'. All. Y' all already know what it is. If you got business you want us in, you got advice you need. You want to share a moment of kindness you had from this week? DM us.
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B
You have a random thought. Random thought that you just want to hear us talk about.
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A
If you have a math equation you need help with, like, whatever you need help with some homework, I won't help, but TP is more than willing. Oh, but I would love to DM us, y', all, at unsupervised Sid. Tp, we love y'. All. Can't wait to see y'. All. Tp, hit him with it.
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B
And don't forget to throw kindness around like confetti.
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And until next week, you guys.
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Bye.
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Yeah.
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A
Yes, yes, yes.
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B
Yeah, we say what we want and yeah, we say what we feel Sitting tmp of the mix and they be keeping it real on brand, off topic.
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A
Out of pocket Anything you need, they.
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B
Got it why don't you shout?
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A
You know they gonna block up when.
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B
It'S game time and you know I'm.
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A
Gonna block them and we cover everything.
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B
Like ho water than us and yeah.
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A
We looking down on haters? Cause they smaller than us and yeah, my flow is so damn sick I be coughing it up? You said that we gonna fly? Well then I'll color your blood color.
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Unsupervised.
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Unsupervised.
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Unsupervised.
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Sa.