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Unsupervised. Unsupervised.
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Yeah. Yes.
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Okay.
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We say what we want and. Yeah. We say what we feel.
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What's up, y'? All? Turn me up in this. Yeah. Hell, yeah.
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No, you were so loud.
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I know. I know. All right.
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All right.
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What's up, y'? All? I'm looking for my old teammates. I feel like they probably late. Where they at?
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Well, now they're called out.
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No, they not, my friend. Take y'. All. Y', all, we're so excited to be here. We are here in Phoenix at the Final Four. Obviously, if you weren't aware of that, then I'm so concerned.
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Yeah. Again, you got to keep your head on a swivel. We are at the Final Four, which is unfortunately now the Final Two.
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Yes, it is.
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We had four, and then two teams lost in despair, and now we just have two more that are now going to compete for a national championship.
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It's just math, y'. All.
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We're down to two.
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We're down to two. But, y', all, we're here at the Together House the very first. Give it up for Together. Yep. Yep. Some of you all may have seen. We got a special guest today. You know who it is? Who is it? Huh? No, it's not Ahmadi. There you go. There you go. What up? Okay, y', all, so who's rooting for UCLA in here?
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Okay.
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All right. Three people. Who's rooting for South Carolina?
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Okay. The other 98%.
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Wait, who are you? I don't even know who you're rooting for.
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I'm just. I'm rooting for, I guess South Carolina now. Now that LSU's out, LSU's out again. There was a lot of teams before the Final Four that lost out. LSU was one of them, unfortunately.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. But here we are, South Carolina.
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Okay.
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I think I'd like to see Don get another one.
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Yeah. I'm going for. I'm going for Dawn. I'm going for Don in South Carolina as well. Y'. All. We actually. We came from New York. We were shooting this film. You from New York? Passionate about it. Where are you from? What part? Huh? Was. Where's Gilbert? No, no, no. He's from New York. He put his hands up. What part of New York? Manhattan. Ok. That's what's up. We were in Brooklyn. Yeah, we were in Brooklyn, but we were on the set of this, like, of a queer film. One of our friends, she sings, and so she had us act in it, which was really cool.
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Really cool.
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You'll see it like in June, it's gonna drop. But saying that, to say that set was so queer and eye opening that we now have come back to the basketball space and we're like, yeah, we're shocked.
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We grew so, so much in one week. All we needed was this.
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I'm poly now.
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No, you're not.
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I know I'm not, but I could be in the future.
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You're just open minded to it.
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I'm open minded. I have to be now. Like, can happen.
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Okay. But just immersing myself into this queer experience. I like consider myself now a conservative gay. I was just like, I wasn't.
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When we were on stage, she was like, we're Meg gays. I think because we're not queer enough.
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We weren't open minded enough. We weren't open minded enough. There's just so much that went into it. But now leaving, yeah, I'm like, we're dating. So don't tell anybody yet though. Actually, it's soft launch. It's a soft launch.
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Some of y' all may not know. It's a running joke that people think we're together, which I'm personally offended by. But what we just. No, no, no offense, but we just like to play into it now at this point. But yeah, so the gays in the W, we realize they're way too close minded and restricted and maybe even the fans. So we need y' all to just like step it up and be more open minded in these last years that we maybe have in the W, if any at all.
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That's all we're asking of you guys.
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But it is kind of cool because when I came in the league in 2011, the crowd was like families or old gay, like old lesbian couples.
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Old lesbians that, you know, there were still roommates. Give it up for the old lesbians in matching cargo shorts.
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All right.
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The little dyke spike haircuts, they like, they went to the same barber. They were like, whatever she's getting.
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Yeah. They were like mask on mask. Before I knew what it was.
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For real.
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Yeah.
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Like going into the actual gay community, I was like, so caught off guard. Cause the only lesbians I saw together were like two dads walking down the street. I was like, I don't know what life's gonna look like. But hopefully like, not that respectfully. Respectfully.
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But now they've ushered in like, these rookies have ushered in a new wave of queer fans, I think. Or of lesbian fans. Gay fans. They're much younger now. So we're happy, We're Happy to see, like, we. I didn't think there would be a day that the W was this popular, this visible, this anything. I came in in 2011 and you came in in 2014 in 14, so very eye opening. But in addition to the rookies coming in with just like nil coming in to now, you all have seen the news of the new cba, so now they're coming into six figure salaries, which is. Which is amazing. We gotta bring out somebody I think that, you know, like, that helped that happen. Yeah, somebody who helped make that happen. And I know Neca from my days in Houston. We both grew up in Houston and so we played against one another. Hell yeah. H town. We played against one another. And actually I disliked her and her family for a long time because they ruined our chance at going to State. I was devastated. It's so funny, sports. You treat it like it's so, so serious. Like our team was in the locker room. I'm talking about on our knees crying
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like, you had the Oguma case, like, X' ed out in your locker room.
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A whole burn book, the whole family. But they're so successful. It's like, ugh, it didn't work. So it was supposed to be us going to State. It wasn't. So we then played neca. Neca, I hope you can hear this too. We played NECA and Cheney at Stanford in the Final Four. So we finally beat them. For once in my career, clap like, damn. Are y' all following the story or not?
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Did you gotten. You gotten off one?
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Are y' all awake? I'm not telling no more stories. Like.
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Anyway, without further ado, my forever black president, Neka Ogumike.
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Yes. Yeah. Sorry, girl.
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Hey, welcome outneka.
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Sorry. Hope that was an intro unlike any other.
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I mean, I've never had an intro like that before, but, you know.
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No.
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Yeah.
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You probably didn't even know I was secret.
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Well, welcome to Unsupervised.
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I mean, like, you basically had like a voodoo doll of you.
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Yeah, ye.
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And my people are from Louisiana too,
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and so are they. Is it gone?
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Is it.
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I mean, I've been.
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You've been really successful, so I feel
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like I had one during these negotiations.
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Let's get into that. But before we get into that, we got to ask you. Okay, so we like to ask, like now we like to ask.
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This is actually.
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You're the first one to get this question.
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Nice.
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We're going to start throwing out a series of questions for guests that we have. Okay. And yours is. All right, tell us who you were like, as sleepovers as a kid. Which kid were you? Like, how did you. How did you behave at the time?
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Did you make it through the night?
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I'm Nigerian, so I didn't go to sleepovers.
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I knew.
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Yeah, you knew.
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When I tell you. I told her.
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I said we weren't allowed to go to sleepovers.
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But you have, like, 16 siblings.
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I have three sisters.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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You're for sure gonna get canceled without me. Without me. I love it.
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Finally, it's me.
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I remember one sleepover.
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Okay.
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I remember one sleepover.
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It was a family with.
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No.
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Huh?
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No, it was like. It was like an AAU one. So, like, we were all going to a tournament the next day, and I'm really ashamed to tell this story.
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Yes. I love it. I love shame.
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So, you know, we pulling pranks. We went. We TP'd somebody's house. And, you know, I'm like, oh, I know. I was like, is that fair?
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Hey, don't bring my name in there.
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I'm not gonna tell.
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Oh, okay, okay.
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But, you know, like, I was like, okay. You know, I'm kind of like, I'm on the bad side right now. We're TV somebody's house that we go back into the house. And I thought we were cool, because, you know, we all went together and we TP someone's house.
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Yeah.
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Then they wanted to start doing pranks on each other.
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No.
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And so they started doing a prank on me, and, like. But the prank on me wasn't serious. Like, I got pants, and I started crying. Oh, I was so embarrassed.
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You didn't deserve.
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I was. I didn't deserve it, but I was embarrassed for the pantsing. Then I was embarrassed that I cried, that I got pants.
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You cried in front of them right on the bus.
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Cause I got pants in front of everybody. I don't want to say.
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Please.
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She's like, I was. I was 22.
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I think I was, like, maybe 14 or.
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No. That's so sad.
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No way. You cried immediately.
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Oh, my God. And I, like, immediately went to. To bed.
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Why? You didn't like the panties you had on?
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Huh?
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You didn't like the panties you had on?
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I just don't like getting got, like. I just don't, like. I don't really care about the panties part. I just don't like getting got like. That's like. People can't throw surprise birthdays or surprise parties with me because I don't. The whole time, I'm just be looking like, so y' all all lied to me.
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Yeah. Yeah. Y' all been plotting.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like, you're asking questions like, how long has this been going on?
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Yeah.
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How long have you guys been lying to me to my face? And so, like, that's how I felt. But I mean, like, all in all, like, I'm still.
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Still.
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All my AU teammates. Like, I'm still cool. Yeah, we're all right. We're all right. I remember.
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Even the Panther.
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It was a specific team that.
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Yeah, even the Panther. Even the one.
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Even the pants, like, we're cool.
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Okay.
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But we definitely. It was definitely the team you couldn't beat.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Back when we were.
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When we were kids, you were so annoying.
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Neca was just annoying, too, though.
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Neca was just. I'm talking about. We're only, like, 15. I'm like, how the is. Or excuse me. I'm like, how is she this athletic? But then I'm like, African, to be honest.
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Like, I mean, that's.
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That.
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That is a stereotype. I'll lean into.
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Yes.
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100. Yeah, you have to. Yeah. Yeah.
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You have to. I'm like, damn, we about to play neck and them again. I'm trying to get the team, like, lock in. For real. Lock in. This means everything to me.
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Yeah, but you were. See, you were so hard to guard. You were so hard to guard.
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Cause you were fast.
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You had handles, and, I mean, I didn't have to do it, thankfully.
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You would just meet me at the rim, though.
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I'd be like, let me see. See if I can clean this up.
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Those were. Those were really fun times, though. Like, we. We. I thoroughly enjoy matchups against you. And just to see you doing so well now, to see what you did with the cba. I know it was a group of y', all, like, y. Yep. To see how you spearheaded it. Everything, like, the hours that y' all put into it, all the work. Like, talk to us briefly about how taxing that was, like, what that experience was like. I know you've probably been asked.
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I mean, like, I'm always gonna say this. Like, it wasn't just me, you know? I mean, you know, you guys were down there when I came to Nashville, and it really started, like, you know, before opt out, you know, so that's kind of how it was the first time we went around, you know, 2020 was when we had to figure out, okay, are we gonna opt out of this? What is it gonna look like? And we had. We had experience doing that. And so come 2024, we're like, okay, are we gonna opt out? And, you know, we understand where the game is now. Where it was in 2020 wasn't even where it was in 2024. So now we have to start priming people to, like, answer your emails, you know, answer your messages, like, hop in the chat, speak up. Like, that's always kind of been really important for me, ever since I kind of took this role on, is ensuring that we have engagement, because we won't know, as an ec what to do if y' all don't tell us what we need done. And that's something that's incredibly important for us to be able to get our job done. And so, you know, things were kind of cool. We opted out, and we were like, all right, we got some time. And at the end of this last 2025 season, we're like, okay, cool. You know, like, it's natural to, like, expect some extensions of the cba. And so we kept extending and extending. And, like, this is after we even had that. You were in the meeting in Indiana, were you? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you saw how that was. There was, like, 40 of us at the table, and it was like the league and us, and we were in there just trying to get to the table and, like, start negotiations. And in my experience, I. You know, when we're. When there's that many players in the room, I don't actually expect anything to get done. Yeah, no, but you can kind of speak to the sentiment. You can kind of get a feel of, like, what people are, what they're feeling, you know, and how. How they might approach the. The negotiation. But I also thought that it was incredibly symbolic to have 40 plus players in the room because it showed that we meant business. So we kept that energy on all the way through to, like, around December, and we're like, okay, you know what. What's going on here? Because at this point, we had experience having an expansion draft at around this time.
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Yeah.
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And it wasn't really seeing any movement. And then we hit January, and there was absolutely no response from our proposal. And at that point, I clocked in. I was like, okay, this is the approach. They're going to try to grind this out, and it's not something that you can necessarily explain to people, because I think everyone has to have their own experience. Like, everyone has different things that are important to them. And so I can't come in and say, hey, y', all, this is the tactic. If you have a player, a rookie who's feeling, well, one way, you have a vet Who. A vet who's on vet men is feeling one way. You have even, you know, a max player who's feeling one way. And so we just wanted to make sure that we stayed engaged and we were communicating. And at that point, I started reaching out to players. You know, I reached out to you. I reached out to a lot of players, and that took a lot of time.
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Asked me to be a part of the team. Yeah. I was like, you want to be
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a part of the.
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I said, girl, I'll cut somebody out.
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No, but I.
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But you know what?
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I appreciated your response, though, because you were like, I can't handle that right now. And I was like, all right, cool.
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I said, I am. I don't have the capacity to do that right now without spazzing on somebody.
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Okay. Yeah. But. But all of that being said, when we were asking people to engage, whether it was to be, like, a part of the committee or even to just, like, speak up on the call, I told you there was a pivotal moment that changed how these negotiations went and how we worked internally that I give you full credit for. And you know exactly what moment I'm talking about.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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And after that, things just looked very different, and we ended up going to New York and being able to, like, negotiate and such. But, I mean, it was where y'
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all spent, like, over a hundred hours.
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Yeah. I mean, at first, I was kind of like, okay, we're gonna come in and maybe get something done. But then parts of it felt, like, informative.
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Yeah.
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You know what I'm saying? But parts of it felt a little performative. And I hate to say that, because I don't want to, like, discount the process, but I think that when we got there, I'm not sure if they understood the stamina that we were willing to sustain to stay there. So in the beginning, it felt like, okay, we were inspired. We were like, we're here. We're gonna get this done. And then when it wasn't really happening, I think that they thought that was gonna break us, and it didn't. So then it was like, all right, we actually need to get some shit done.
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They were like, new tactic. New tactic.
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Yeah.
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And so it ended up, obviously, we're here now today, so that's good.
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Is there was there, like, one part of the negotiation or, like, a passion project that you personally had within all the negotiations that, like, you really wanted to make sure happened?
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Oh, that's a good question. You mean, like, in terms of what's reflected in the agreement or how the negotiations went.
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What's reflected in the agreement?
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Oh, I mean, to be honest, y', all, like, I mean, in the first agreement, in the. In the 2021, it was more so just kind of like, what can we change? Like, just throwing and seeing what we can change.
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Yeah. This one.
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This time around, though, I would have to say that I was very adamant about getting that revenue share. Like, I was very adamant about not hopping off of that because the players were saying that. Yeah. And then housing also became that as well. But I'm gonna give. I'm gonna give full credit of that to Breonna Turner.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. We had her on last week. Yeah.
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Because Breezy, when I tell y' all she is our hidden figure, like, seriously,
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that's what Leesh said.
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She was in there crunching numbers. I was like, I have not seen someone use an Excel sheet in so long like that.
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I don't know how.
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Yeah, she still has that from her college days, too. Once college was over, Excel, like, I'm gonna need a little touch up once I start using again. But that's so impressive.
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She hopped in there, so. But those were the two big ticket items. And so she really motivated me. Her and AC did an amazing job because AC Was very heavy on the retirement piece, and she gave a lot of perspective that people. Most people wouldn't consider that both of y' all actually could probably relate to and that you spoke to in Nashville.
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Yeah.
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So I was like, okay, they're locked in there. Let me just hammer in on this. Gross revenue share.
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Yeah.
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You know, at a certain percentage.
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Yeah. Oh, wait, I gotta ask you briefly. How do you feel about the comments coming back?
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Oh, that's. It's lit.
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Isn't that fire? That's real cool. Y' all gotta understand, we grew up going to those games. Demetria, Brittany, we ended up watching the comments. So, like, when you're younger and that was part of the reason that you wanted to play in the pros, it was, like, a little devastating that they were no longer a team. Still cool to make it to the W. Right. But to be around long enough, though, to see them come, come back is. Is really, really iconic. It's really, really cool. Okay, so. So we saw on your TikTok that your dad. Your dad was all. Was working out with you in preparation to maybe get a salary.
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So, like, he's always been the one that's like, fight for more, Fight for more. Like, and he came with me when we got to break the news that our vote was unanimous. Really yeah. And so, like, you know, I think actually that TikTok was actually helpful because I think a lot of people didn't realize, like, okay, you know, we're in New York. This is before we were able to break the news, but we're, like, in New York, and we're. We're in the room, you know, for 12, 13, you know, hours at a time, and it didn't occur to people that we were also working out. So we. We're trying to stay ready.
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We're trying to stay ready because it can start any. Yeah.
D
And I feel like that actually was a testament to contradict what people thought that we wanted, which was to not play. I never talked to one player that said they didn't want to play.
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Right. Everybody did. Yeah, everybody wanted to. That was the point. But the point is that you have to have a mindset that we will strike if needed.
D
Yeah. That was the leverage.
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And I don't understand what people didn't understand about that.
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Everybody has their own ways of thinking.
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So do you think that there's a world where your dad might transition to a woman and try to get on a.
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And how many. And how many minutes?
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And if he did, how would you feel? Cause that would be something.
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How many minutes is he looking at? Like, is he, like a 5 to 10 minute? Or is he.
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Is he us or is he you? Minutes wise?
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The answer to that is no. However, if that were the case. Yeah, I. I would actually fear his rebounding, to be very honest. My dad has, like, huge calves.
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Really?
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So he walks, like, three miles a day. He knows how to jump. He's like. He's like raw athleticism. Like, my mom's athletic, too.
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Okay. So both are. Where y' all get it from?
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Yeah. So I would fear his rebounding from real.
C
Okay. Like, probably the same way that we feel about you.
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Right?
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Like, hey, who's going to box out Neca?
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Not me. I mean, I'm not boxing out.
D
We not easy to play against.
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No, we're just talking about sheer amount of effort that has to go into guarding you.
D
I see what you're saying.
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It's just like, it's not worth it. Just give her her stats. Focus on the other people.
D
I don't want you to give me anything.
C
No, we weren't. You were just taking it, though. You were still taking it. So, Naga, our next question to you is place yourself pre new cba.
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Yeah.
C
Okay. And this is a hypothetical. So you're looking at a clean toilet, a pub, a public toilet.
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Okay.
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So clean Only kind of clean.
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Not that just kind of like clean.
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Are we talking about waters?
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The water clean?
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So are we talking about, like, it's in a restaurant or the airport?
C
Oh, airport.
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An airport. We came through Newark, and actually it was really, really clean.
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You know, it's Newark.
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Got a.
D
Got a bbl.
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It did.
D
Speaking of, Newark is looking really good.
C
We have to ask you the BBL question now.
D
Newark is looking real good right now.
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Newark. We were like, whoa, Newark Liberty. L I. That's the name of the airport. Anyway, so put yourself in the Newark airport.
D
Okay.
C
Pre cba.
D
All right, cool.
C
And you're about to go to the restroom and you're like, oh, my God, there's money in the toilet. What's the smallest amount of money you would reach in that toilet to grab for pre cba?
D
Oh, pre cba.
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Not even pre cba. Let's go to her rookie year because pre CBA was a nice sum of
D
money for her rookie year. Go back to the year to grab it in the toilet.
A
Yeah, there's one dry part, and this is the scene, too. You're, like, rushing because you're like, y', all. You're telling the team, yo, I gotta go to the bathroom real quick just to hold my stuff. I'm gonna be right back. So you're. You're, like, moving fast.
D
Like, I gotta get out of there.
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You gotta get out of there in a hurry. Cause y' all are boarding, okay.
D
Oh, we're boarding.
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Y' all are boarding.
D
Okay. Okay. So. So now, like, I know I'm asking a lot of questions. Like, we know. We learn. Okay? Like, are we talking about bands or are we just talking about loose bills, whatever.
C
Like, it could be as much money as you need it to be, but the smallest amount that you would be like, I would go for that.
D
We need to.
A
So it's like if.
C
Let's just say there was a five in there. I'm like, oh, it's not worth it.
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If you saw the $100 pill. Now, if you saw. Yeah, you don't know how much it is, but you see a little rubber band. Rubber band.
D
And around the rubber band, I'm picking it up a small one.
C
And I'm going to give you this. There's a little bit hanging out. Like, there's a little dry area so you can pick it up cleanly.
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Like, so it's like, it just.
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That's what. But that's why I ask, is it bands? Cuz if it's bands and the top of it, it's dry.
C
Yeah.
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Damn.
D
You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not about to be blow drying $100 bill.
C
You don't need to be. You don't need to be. I would bring that straight.
D
There's still integrity to this. Let's be real.
C
I love that you answered with integrity for money.
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So much integrity.
C
Your answer was a little bit better than ours. It was like, yeah, 100 bucks. I'm in.
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I absolutely am. Okay. I'm guessing you saw the Gino and don't.
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Oh, I guess y'.
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All.
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I guess y' all saw it.
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All right. Who's team Gino?
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Well.
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What.
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Okay.
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Get him out, get him out, get him out, get him out.
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Boom.
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They said they haven't seen it.
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No, he has. But I said, who's Team Gino? He raised their hand. Who's Team Dawn? All right, so. Huh. Hey, B. Terrell. Okay, so here's the thing.
D
Yeah.
A
I feel like people are treating this like it's a very new thing, but he's kind of always behaved in.
D
He's always had this kind of posture. Yeah.
A
He used to do this stuff with Pat.
D
Yes.
A
I'm always. I always look at men with all women staffs throughout the course of their careers as. What's that about? You don't want on staff challenging you? Maybe. Like, to me, there's an odd dynamic there. I've always felt that. I always appreciate the guys who, like, obviously employ women. You should have women. It's women's basketball on staff. But when there are never men around,
C
especially in your tenure, You've been around for about 700 years.
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Right. So the whole, like. The whole thing was very interesting.
D
Yeah.
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Because it was like everything was based on a lie. We found out. So she did shake your hand.
C
This is the thing. Before anybody does anything on national television, just know that there's multiple camera angles.
A
Yeah.
C
There's so many. There's, like, hundred. There's thousands of people in the stands watching in real time. There's hundreds of thousands of people watching it on tv. You don't miss much nowadays. No, you don't miss much nowadays.
D
And, like, I think the goal of what this was was that we're not talking about the fact that Don Staley's in the championship game 100%. And I have a lot of issue with that. Yeah, I have a lot of issue with a lot of things.
A
Yeah.
D
You know, you can go down in history and talk about someone's business behavior. You can go and talk about, you know, all these different things and variables that might have caused this, that and the other. At the end of the day, it doesn't change what happened, you know? And quite frankly, it's something that we live all the time as women. As black women, especially.
A
Yeah.
D
Because when I walk in the street, no one's like, oh, she's Nigerian. She's not African. You know what I'm saying? Like, they see me, and they see me as a black woman, and there's a level of privilege that we will never have even when we're winning.
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Yeah.
C
Yeah.
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And that's a big issue.
A
And that's exactly what that's a very
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big issue that looked like.
A
And I feel like a lot of people have that outlook on it, like, they viewed it the same way, but I'm just, like. It was very disappointing. Cause not just for the fact that you're taken away from South Carolina and Dawn's moment by overshadowing it with this, like, just very petty behavior. It's one thing, honestly, even if she didn't shake, it's not a thing to make a big deal about in that moment.
C
You carried it through halftime. You carried it through all the timeouts. If the game was over, would you have shaken her? Would you be like, you didn't shake my hand earlier, too?
D
Or if. If. If UConn would have won if this had been an issue? You know, I really just feel like. I feel like there's a lot of privilege that allows people to exist in spaces where. Where they are not held responsible for their actions. And dysregulation.
A
Yeah.
C
Yeah. That's so true.
A
Dysregulation is a great way to put it.
D
You know what I'm saying? And now here we are, and we're discussing the behavior of somebody who couldn't take a loss. And it's not the first time we've seen it.
A
Right.
D
And even still, we're sitting up on this stage, especially as black women still having to be mindful about how.
C
Yep.
D
I looked at her.
A
She said. Yup. Her middle name is Monique, though.
D
Okay. Okay. All right, all right.
C
I'm. I'm a strong ally.
D
Okay. I appreciate that. Because I'm also a gatekeeper, so I'm so sorry. That's okay.
C
Don't apologize. I should be the one apologizing.
D
But, you know, like, we're here, and even in this. In this world where so many people see themselves in Dawn.
A
Yeah.
D
There's a lot of people that don't want to admit that they're acting like how Gino Acted. And we still have to exist in this space where we can't even be our full selves talking about a situation that we relate to every single day. And I think it's also disappointing that you took away from how you could build off of a loss with your team because you left your team on the court. Yeah, you had, you just walked away, senior.
A
You know, you want to see somebody just go start some over here and then they just walk away and just
D
kind of like, oh, you know what? And then also too, you had. I. There's also a video that I saw of. I'm so sorry, I don't remember her name, but the black woman on his staff.
A
Yeah.
D
And how she was reacting to that.
A
There's just, it's a lot of elements.
D
It's, it's amazing. It's a lot of elements.
C
This all goes back to. This is a women's basketball space. This is where we celebrate talented women at the highest peak of what they do collegiately. Right. And right now we have a, a white man throwing a tantrum. And instead of talking about whatever happened on the court, dissecting the game, celebrating the seniors on both teams, including his own team. Az Fudd is a five year senior and she was sobbing and disappointed in her own performance. And there nobody came to her rescue in this interview.
A
She was like, I feel like it's all on me. That's where you, that's where you interject and say, you know what? Actually it's not on you. Yeah, yeah, it's on me. Because honestly, anyways, coaches just, you take the blame at the end of the game anyways. That's just how it goes. Like point guards and coaches or the leaders on a team, you take accountability for whatever the team didn't do, even if it's not true. Yeah, like you just do it because you're supposed to.
D
That's the mark of a coach. That's the mark of a leader. A lot of times you end up taking the, the hit for things that aren't necessarily fully your responsibility. But especially when they are. Yes, especially when they are. And then also lastly, like there is more to be desired with the apology. Yeah, hello.
A
I got it pulled up.
C
I got it pulled up.
A
I got it pulled up. I'mma read it and I'm going to read it. And what I think the cadence was.
C
Oh, God.
A
Wait, can you hold each for me?
C
Yeah, I'm going hold it for you.
A
There's no excuse for how I handled the end of the game versus South Carolina. It's Unlike what I do and what our standard is here in Connecticut. I want to apologize to the staff doing that because somebody wrote it for him. To the staff and the team at North Carolina, South Carolina. It was uncalled for in how I reacted. The story should be. The story should be how well South Carolina played. And I don't want my actions to detract from that. I've had a great relationship with their staff, and I sincerely want to apologize to them.
C
Thanks.
A
That's what that gave. Not once did you read. Did you say her name. You didn't say Dawn's name. You actually brought up in here that you didn't want to be a distraction. I don't want my actions to detract from that. So not only were your original actions a distraction, but now this apology is now another distraction when you could have just shut the hell up if you weren't like, just don't. Don't give an apology if it's gonna be half ass.
D
Yeah. If it's not gonna be real.
A
If it's not gonna be real. Because it makes it even worse. Because what it means is that you've seen all the blowback, and you're still going to turn around and act like a dick and apology.
C
You're sorry that you got caught. You're not sorry that it happened. And I think that the way that. The way that it all transpired and the lack of accountability in that moment because you can mess up a lot of times and how quickly you react. Apology is not an apology. Just generally.
D
Right.
A
Yeah.
C
It has to be an intentional apology. It has to be an apology with compassion and actually, like, belief that I'm not going to do this again. Nor similar behaviors to this. But this is just telling me that, like, we're putting a band aid on this.
A
Right.
C
See you next year.
A
Right.
C
Who knows what it's going to look like.
A
But what I hope it does is I hope that it affects recruiting, though. I hope people see this and you don't send your children there.
C
Yeah.
A
And. Because if that's how you want to act and that's how you want to apologize, then I kind of see how you are. And Candace Parker spoke on it.
D
Yeah.
A
Which, you know, can CP did. Candace said something about it without saying names. She's just like, you see people's true colors and things will come to light. But, you know, Candace had her stuff with usa.
D
Right. Right. Right.
A
A few of y'. All. A few people had issues with him with usa so it's, like, very interesting.
D
Yeah. And I feel like, especially in this world where we experience a lot of cancel culture.
C
Yeah.
D
We need to let. I also feel like cancel culture doesn't allow people to understand how to take accountability and atone for what you do, for sure. Now, you can also not subscribe, you know, because I subscribe to what I'm about. You know what I'm saying? But let this be an example of what not to do.
A
To do. Yeah.
D
And how to be better, you know? But it doesn't take away the pain and the hurt that goes seen and unseen in these moments.
A
And then lastly, the jersey thing got me because to see her on camera.
D
Oh, my goodness, Ripping her own jersey.
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I'm, like, ripped off of her
C
by herself.
A
Dawn pulled out a knife and cut her jersey, and then we.
C
Y' all didn't see that?
A
Her, like, ripping her jersey, like. No way, bro. Okay, Neca, we know we gotta get you out of here, but we're gonna ask you before we do, we do
C
want to grill you a little bit further.
A
Yeah, we're gonna grill. Let's go.
C
Okay, so we're gonna play this game called this or that.
A
Okay.
D
I mean, we all know that game, but we also know you. So.
C
So there's like, a small twist to it. Nothing crazy. It's nothing crazy.
A
It's nothing crazy. The toilet thing was the crazy thing. Really? Yeah.
D
That was kind of like.
A
We didn't want to get too crazy with you.
C
No, we want to come back. We want you to come back.
A
Yeah, we want you to come back.
D
I would always come back. Okay.
A
That means the world. No, it's fine.
C
Can I get a tissue?
A
No, no, don't stop, babe.
C
You're making me blush up here. Okay, this or that. Gold medal at the Olympics or WNBA finals win?
D
I mean, you said WNBA finals win.
C
Yeah, like championship win.
D
Oh, championship win.
C
Sorry.
D
Okay, I'll take another one of those.
A
Another one of those.
D
Finals, championship.
A
Okay, wait, Neko, where are you playing this season? Where are you planning to play? I'm not about to break.
D
I'm not about to break news.
C
Please, Neca, we just. Just say it to the camera right there.
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Everyone.
C
Everyone cover your ears.
A
Okay, Two more, and then we gotta.
C
Okay, this one's actually this, that or that. Okay, okay. Cheney as a teammate, Chenay as an opponent, or Cheney interviewing you?
D
Ooh, those all come with their ups and downs. Okay, but my favorite one is probably. Chiney's a teammate.
C
Oh, okay.
D
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
C
Y' all were. Y' all were dangerous as teammates.
D
She Was a crash out, though.
A
But I mean, in the pros or collegiately?
D
Oh, high school, I mean. Yeah, man, that's a good question. I'd probably say in the pros.
A
Okay.
D
Yeah, in the pros. Okay. Yeah.
C
I mean, if you guys were in the paint, there was like no room for anybody else. So. Yeah, just say the three point line. I don't know if you've watched my career, but I was out there quite a bit. So do you want to pick the last one?
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Let me pick the. Okay.
D
Yo, these are not. Oh.
A
Having the two of us as teammates or committee mates or what? Or like executive committee mates. Having the two of us as teammates or. And that's the last one. So make it a good answer.
C
Just know that us as teammates, we're 100 on championships. We're one for one.
A
We are one when we're teammates.
C
You know what?
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I'm have to do the teammates, though.
C
Let's go.
A
So where are we going this season, y'? All? Give it up for Neca.
C
Thank you, Nuka.
A
Give it up, give it up, give it up. So it's not awkward. Make noise until she leaves. Cause it's awkward when people just walk off to silence. Keep going, keep going, keep going. I'll tell you when. Oh, yeah, you're good, you're good. Cut it.
C
Bye, Nec. Everyone say bye, Neca.
A
All right. Glad she's gone. What a buzzkill, right, y'? All?
C
All right now let's get to the nitty gritty.
D
Wait, we forgot.
A
We forgot to say at the top of the show, though.
C
What?
A
That we're supposed to be doing Q and A from the crowd. Oh, we always do it down in the dm. If you never see, if you've never watched or listened to unsupervised. We do A down in the DM section at the end of the show. And we were supposed to tell y' all top of show. But Katzi, Lynette, y' all know what it is. We don't be remembering stuff.
C
So, so sorry about that.
A
So it's Q and A now, right?
C
So now the pressure's on you guys. You got to come up with questions, like, literally in the moment, but it's
A
not a good look if you don't. And they'll never give us another live show.
C
So no pressure, no pressure. They are going to walk or not with mics anyway. With all that being said, it goes down in the dm.
A
It go down, it go down. That's it.
C
All right. The DM is Presented by Together in the together house.
A
Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. All right, anybody got any questions? Y' all gotta have something.
C
We got a mic over here. If you raise your hand, we're gonna bring the mic to you.
A
Okay, who is next? Okay, say your name. Say your name, please, and then your question. I think they're gonna pass the mic, but don't forget your question. My name. I lost my voice, but my name is Stacy. Oh, you sound like us, girl. Just come on up here. Honestly, Stacy said ntp. Yeah. Yeah, Stacy.
D
But my question is, what do y'
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all think about Marina being in the expansion draft? A player caliber?
C
Yeah, that's a good question.
A
That is a good question. I mean, I think that's good. Like, she's gonna be a good. Obviously an immediate scoring threat for their. For their team. And it'll be interesting now to see, like, what unrestricted free agents join.
C
I did find it kind of crazy that she was available.
A
Yeah.
C
In the expansion draft because that was a really crazy pickup in the expansion draft just to be able to have a. Like a. She's an all Star.
A
Yeah.
C
Have an all star. Just be available to pick up an expansion draft like that. But I'd also think that was a good player to play around.
A
Yeah.
C
With her, like, toughness.
A
We'll see if Marina and if Sanaya is a package deal with her.
C
I think she's locked in the rookie, but.
A
Okay, cool.
C
Just, like, look for trades, I guess.
A
Keep your eyes peeled. Good question. Thank you.
E
Stacy, look who it is.
D
What's up?
E
So, I'm Deidre. Hi, y'.
D
All.
A
How are you?
E
I'm great. I'm lovely. My skin is shining. So is yours.
A
Talk about.
E
Oh, you're welcome. Talk about what an unsupervised ideal day looks like for y'.
A
All.
E
What is the playlist? Where are y' all going? What are the shenanigans? Money is not on. You don't have to worry about the call.
A
Date night, babe. Whoa.
C
I'm treat you real nice.
E
And then my follow up is, can y' all also start to record this as a series? Because I think we would absolutely love this.
C
So you're looking for, like, a reality type of situation, Sid, what would we do? Actually, we. We interviewed recently for something, and they gave us this hypothetical. They were like, hey, let's just say we bring you guys on this yacht party. What are you all going to do? And we're like, what yacht party? First of all, why are we invited? But okay, yeah, we get on the yacht. I Was like. We were like, do we know anybody there? Like, what's the situation? So we're choosing yacht party.
A
A yacht party. So that's the end of the day. Okay. Before. When the day starts, TP and I, if we're around one another, whether we're staying in the same place or, like, in the hotel now, different rooms. When we wake up pretty soon after, like, I'll talk to my girlfriend first, of course, but then we're texting. We're like, you know, what you doing? You want to go get food? So immediately.
C
Or I come over the room and I'm on the FaceTime with.
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With, with.
C
And we're all talking. Or we're all talking as a poly,
A
but so we talk all day. So, like, we're gonna start by going to breakfast or doing something, yapping. We don't know what could come next. Maybe the next thing is, like, she's probably wanting coffee because she.
C
I'm an addict.
A
She seems to need it to survive. Yeah, we'll probably go kick it somewhere. I don't know.
C
You also need breakfast.
A
I do need breakfast. We're going to eat breakfast. And then after that, we'll go to, like, it depends if we're in a new city. We'll try to find, like, a cool vintage shop or something to go. A vintage store to go shop at. We'll do something like that.
C
Also, keep in mind, this whole time, we don't have anything going. There's no music playing. We'll literally go days without ever turning on the television, turning on the, like, anything. Podcast, radio, whatever. Do anybody. Does anybody listen to the radio? Oh, oh, okay.
A
Okay.
C
One. Hang in there.
A
Exam. Okay. All right. Okay, so then we'll. We'll leave from there, and then we'll probably go get lunch. We'll talk to a bunch of strangers along the way, dig deep into people's personal. Are you still listening? She turned the other way. I'm like, yeah, we lost her.
C
Took a nap.
A
Okay, we'll just get to the yacht party. They asked us this hypothetical. We said, all right, we're going to take you through what we would do. TP and I are going to talk. As we're walking up to this yacht, I'm saying, hey, tp, you're taking the upper deck. I'm going to stay down low.
C
Dividing and conquering.
A
Divide and conquer. We figure out people's temperaments in there, maybe people's life stories, whatever. When we come back together on the other floor, we might be passing out edibles. We don't know. We're just going to shake up the room. We're going to see what's happening with these people. Drinks are flowing. People can do what they want to do.
C
We also might now get everybody in on a line dance. Like, we're going to get a line dance going.
A
We have the dance.
C
We have the dance.
A
As the night goes on, we will unfortunately have to tend to a murder that is taking place.
C
No.
A
And mind you, we're saying this on our interview for this, like, reality show. We're like, so unfortunately, there was a murder on the yacht. So we watch a lot of true crime. We watch a lot of signs of a psychopath, all this stuff.
C
So we know how to handle the situation. We're very up to par 100%. So what we do is a little good cop, bad cop action. You can pick who's the good and who's the bad. I choose bad.
A
Okay. I'll be good. That's fine. Okay, that's fine. But we're. We're. We're pinning people against one another, possibly. We're getting people stories. TP is following up to see if that sounds right. But we're also. People don't know that the poisoning happened. So we're doing all of this behind the scenes before the cops get there so that we can give them all of the information that they need. So that's kind of how we end the night. Then we just go home and we're
C
like, come to find out it was actually Sid that.
A
So I did do it, but.
C
But they didn't catch her. We got somebody else arrested, and it was worth it.
A
So would you be interested in watching that?
C
All right, tune in.
A
Tune in. Okay, we got one more. Thanks for that. Hey. Hey. What up, Tarika?
D
Damn. I mean, can I get my own name?
A
Oh, you know what? So much attitude. Black women.
D
So you guys, like, feel like there is never any limit to what you guys will talk about, what you guys will touch on, what you guys will joke on. But I feel like there must be a boundary somewhere. So what are the topics or conversations or boundaries that you guys just will not cross?
A
I really haven't found it yet.
C
Yeah, I don't know if this. I think that there are. Everyone tells me that I'm like, the PG version of Sid, so my filter's a little bit stronger than my partner, than my partner's. But I don't know. I think that conversation is important. And also talking about just hard conversation is also important in the way that you dissect that and navigate conversation is how you grow. So I don't know if there's something that, like, we would stay away from. We don't like, just, you know what? This is what we stay away from. And I'm gonna answer for both of us. We like to bully bullies. We're not gonna talk shit about people that don't deserve it. We would never, ever do that. And I think that's where we would draw the line, is to try to turn on somebody that doesn't deserve it.
A
Yeah, I think for. For both of us, like, comedy for me is, you know, just like cultural critique. I like, respect comedians who can do that and he who can do it in a way to not be off putting. Like, you make people think by the time that you leave. And if you. And honestly, if you do feel offended, hopefully you are, like, self aware enough or accountable enough to walk away with that and dissect what that means for yourself. So for me, I like to hold a mirror to people and to like what society is like and speak on it. So there really isn't anything that I won't touch on. There's a way that I'll try to do it with, like, some compassion and grace when needed, but other times I'll just outright say it because I don't like when people don't address what we all think. I think it's a waste of time. So I'm not big on, like, masks and acting like we're not all seeing the same thing. Like the Gino conversation. Like, good people are talking about it, but there was a time where people were not talking about that in the same way, and that was maybe a decade ago. So, yeah, I think it's. It's necessary. Thanks, Tarika. All right, y'. All, can we give it up for sit and cp? Yeah. Thank y'. All.
C
Thank y' all for coming out today.
A
Thank y'.
D
All.
A
Appreciate y'. All.
B
Unsupervised. Yeah. Yes.
C
Yes.
B
Yes. Okay. We say what we want and yeah, we say what we feel Sitting tmp of the mix and they be keeping it real on brand, off topic, out of pocket Anything you need, they got it why don't you shout when you know they gonna block it? When it's game time and you know I'm gonna block them and we cover everything like harder than us and yeah, we looking down on haters? Cause they smaller than us and yeah, my flow is so damn sick I be coughing it up? You said that we going flat more than I'm calling your blood unsupervised
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Unsupervised Unsupervised
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Unsupervised. Sa.
Date: April 9, 2026
Recorded live at the Together House, Phoenix, during the Women’s Final Four
In this lively and wide-ranging live episode, best friends and hosts Syd Colson and Theresa “TP” Plaisance are joined by WNBA legend Nneka Ogwumike for an unfiltered conversation at the heart of women’s basketball’s biggest weekend. Initially riffing on queer representation, sports fandom, and the changing nature of the WNBA, they dive deep into Nneka’s leadership during the recent CBA negotiations, spotlight dynamics in the league, and discuss the controversy surrounding Geno Auriemma’s recent post-game behavior. As always, the show blends humor, candidness, and cultural critique, culminating in audience Q&A and unsupervised “this or that” games.
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“Not once did you say her name. If it’s going to be half-ass…don’t give an apology.” (Syd, [31:13])
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Unsupervised’s energy is brash, heartfelt, sometimes irreverent, but always rooted in a genuine love for community and accountability. This episode mixes laugh-out-loud games with earnest dialogue about black womanhood, leadership, and shaking up historically stuffy sports culture. Syd and TP’s banter with Nneka reveals why “Unsupervised” feels like a 2 a.m. group chat that (luckily) you didn’t miss.