Kristal Reisinger: Part 4 - Fried Rice

Summary

Up and Vanished: Kristal Reisinger - Part 4: Fried Rice

Release Date: March 22, 2025

In the gripping fourth installment of Up and Vanished’s Season 2, host Payne Lindsay delves deeper into the mysterious disappearance of Kristal Reisinger from Crestone, Colorado. Titled "Kristal Reisinger: Part 4 - Fried Rice," this episode uncovers new leads, unexpected alliances, and the relentless pursuit of truth that keeps listeners on the edge of their seats.

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Case Overview

Kristal Reisinger, a young mother and poet, vanished in the summer of 2016 from the secluded spiritually-focused town of Crestone, Colorado. Despite the community’s tranquil facade, Kristal's disappearance unveiled a web of secrets and connections that had long been hidden beneath the surface.

Payne Lindsay (00:02): "Crystal Reisinger vanished in the summer of 2016 from the small town of Crestone, Colorado, a place known for its spirituality, its isolation, and as I'd come to learn, its secrets."

New Developments and Dead-Ends

Years passed with few breakthroughs, leading to frustration and numerous dead ends. Two primary suspects, known by the nicknames Catfish John and Dready Brian, were among the last people to see Kristal alive. However, both have since died, seemingly sealing the case.

Payne Lindsay (02:40): "For years, two names kept coming up. Two men who, by all accounts, were some of the last people to see Crystal alive. But now they're both dead."

A Breakthrough Tip

Four years into the investigation, a pivotal moment occurs when Payne receives an unusual email from an inmate in Sumter County, Florida. This inmate claims that his boyfriend possesses vital information about Kristal's disappearance.

Payne Lindsay (05:42): "She told me there was a man sitting in prison, someone with intimate knowledge of Crystal Reisinger's disappearance, and he wanted to confess... to me specifically."

This tip leads Payne to a man nicknamed "Rice," whose connection to the case resurfaces after fading into obscurity over the years.

Collaboration with Law Enforcement

The investigation gains momentum when the Colorado Bureau of Investigation (CBI) starts collaborating with Tenderfoot TV. This partnership marks a significant shift from previous seasons, bringing official resources into the podcast’s investigative efforts.

Kevin (07:13): "Because I kept my word, because I never released those tapes, something happened that almost never does in cases like this. They started to trust me."

Payne discusses with Kevin, an investigator at the CBI, the importance of media collaboration in solving cold cases. Kevin emphasizes the potential of the podcast to reach individuals who may be reluctant to speak directly with law enforcement.

Kevin (10:15): "I have never called the media for anything in any one of my cases."

Building Trust and Encouraging Tips

A significant part of the episode focuses on building trust within the community to encourage individuals with information to come forward. Kevin highlights the barriers that prevent people from speaking up, such as fear of retaliation or distrust of authorities.

Kevin (11:17): "I think that's one hurdle. The age of the case, really, it's a little bit old... sometimes time works in our favor in these cases."

To facilitate this, the CBI has established a dedicated tip line:

Payne Lindsay (38:52): "The official tip line for Crystal Reisinger's case for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation is 720-741-7410."

Emotional Impact and Community Involvement

The episode underscores the emotional toll Kristal’s disappearance has had on her family and the broader community. Payne recounts attending Colorado's official Missing Persons Day, a poignant event that serves as a stark reminder of the unresolved cases lingering in the state.

Executive Director (21:02): "When I took over as executive director in 2013, we had around 240 missing persons under suspicious circumstances. That number you just heard of. 688 more than doubled in that time."

Payne reflects on the powerful moment when Kristal’s name was read aloud among dozens of other missing persons, symbolizing the urgent need for collective action and community support.

Payne Lindsay (23:03): "With law enforcement standing next to me, everything about this just felt different. Like a line had been finally drawn."

Rice's Crucial Role

The episode revisits Rice, whose insights become increasingly pivotal as the investigation progresses. Payne details the steps taken to contact Rice, including using the Securus app to communicate with him despite his incarceration.

Payne Lindsay (36:13): "I got on an app called Securus where you can message inmates in prison. I found his contact, an inmate number. Then I messaged him."

Rice, known as "Ghost," reaches out with a message hinting at critical information that could unravel the mystery of Kristal's disappearance.

Ghost (37:11): "I can get you the answers you want from his mouth. I am the one that can make him talk."

Closing in on the Truth

As the investigation advances, Payne emphasizes the transition from a cold case to an active investigation, urging listeners to come forward with any information they possess. The episode builds anticipation for future updates and underscores the relentless pursuit of justice by both the podcast team and law enforcement.

Payne Lindsay (38:52): "After all these years, the case is not just active, it's moving. And now we have new primary persons of interest."

Conclusion and Call to Action

"Kristal Reisinger: Part 4 - Fried Rice" culminates in a heartfelt plea for community involvement. Payne reiterates the importance of breaking the silence that has prolonged the agony of Kristal’s loved ones and stresses that the resolution is within reach.

Payne Lindsay (38:52): "This is your last chance to come forward before the walls inevitably close in... We want and we need the community's help here. Let's finish this and finally bring justice to Crystal Reisinger."

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Key Quotes

• Payne Lindsay (05:42): "She told me there was a man sitting in prison... that I could help solve this case."
• Kevin (10:15): "I have never called the media for anything in any one of my cases."
• Executive Director (21:02): "The explosion of missing persons is stunning to say the least."
• Payne Lindsay (23:03): "Like a line had been finally drawn. There's no more waiting, no more hoping someone will finally say something."
• Ghost (37:11): "I can get you the answers you want from his mouth. I am the one that can make him talk."

Final Thoughts

This episode exemplifies Up and Vanished’s commitment to uncovering the truth behind perplexing disappearances. Through strategic collaborations, persistent investigation, and community engagement, Payne Lindsay and the Tenderfoot TV team bring listeners closer to resolving Kristal Reisinger’s case. As the investigation intensifies, the podcast serves as a beacon of hope for justice and closure.

For listeners eager to follow the latest developments, stay tuned for updates in the next episode and participate by sharing any pertinent information through the official CBI tip line.

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Produced by Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. For more true crime stories, visit Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast platform.

Transcript

[Payne Lindsay]

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Crystal Reisinger vanished in the summer of 2016 from the small town of Crestone, Colorado, a place known for its spirituality, its isolation, and as I'd come to learn, its secrets. Crystal was a mother, a poet, a deep thinker. And she didn't just disappear. Someone made her disappear. And now, after years of dead ends. We're closer than ever to knowing who is responsible. For years, two names kept coming up. Two men who, by all accounts, were some of the last people to see Crystal alive. But now they're both dead. Catfish John and Dready Brian. Which, in a case like this, can feel like the end of the road. But it isn't. Because the truth didn't die with them. It's still out there in the people who knew them, the ones who were there and the ones who have stayed silent all this time. And now you can help, but only if you're brave enough to come forward. From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is up and vanished. I'm your host, Payne Lindsay. So four years ago, in July of 2021, I got an email. At first, it seemed like just another tip, one of the hundreds that come in for cases like this. But this one was different. A woman reached out to me. Was something she said I needed to hear. This is the transcript of our email exchange.

[Inmate]

An inmate in Sumter County, Florida, says he has information for you. He won't contact the CBI and definitely not the county sheriff, but he says he will talk to you.

[Payne Lindsay]

I responded. Do you know this person, and could you put me in contact?

[Inmate]

Yes, I do. He's my boyfriend.

[Payne Lindsay]

Okay, great. Here's my cell phone number.

[Inmate]

When I talked to him a few days ago, he said he had information. He isn't currently allowed phone calls, but you can e message him on the Securus app.

[Payne Lindsay]

Does he know something about Crystal?

[Inmate]

He's on restriction, and he's an inmate. He can't make phone calls for 15 days, but he can message you on the app. He says he knows what happened to Crystal. He used to live with Catfish. He's from Crestone. All you need is a secure account to talk to him. He told yesterday in a jail recording that he had some information he said has information for Payne Lindsay, specifically for you.

[Payne Lindsay]

She told me there was a man sitting in prison, someone with intimate knowledge of Crystal Reisinger's disappearance, and he wanted to confess, but not to police, not to an attorney. To me specifically. That email changed everything. It sent my investigation on an entirely new course, one that led me straight to a man with the nickname Rice, which may sound familiar.

[Kevin]

Jetty, Brian, Cat. There was a guy, Rice. Rice came to my name.

[Payne Lindsay]

Four years passed, and that nickname, Rice, slowly faded into the background. That is, until just a few weeks ago. But let's back up from the very beginning, from the very start of season two, all the way back in 2018, state law enforcement, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, was in contact with us. Dozens and dozens of phone calls, meetings, texts, for months. I just never aired these recordings. We had a sort of handshake agreement, keeping our relationship professional, keeping it out of the public eye. And because I kept my word, because I never released those tapes, something happened that almost never does in cases like this. They started to trust me. They started to trust the podcast. Hey, man, it's Payne.

[Kevin]

Hey, Payne.

[Payne Lindsay]

How are you? Years after season two was done airing, I got a random phone call one day from an investigator at the cbi. His name was Kevin. And he told me that the original investigator, now retired, had vouched for me. And because of that, and only that, he wanted to speak with me regarding Crystal's case. Because now the state of Colorado has an entire cold case unit dedicated to finding out what really happened to Crystal. And for the first time, we're actually working together unofficially.

[Kevin]

But officially, I've been doing this a long time, and law enforcement is getting a bad rap right now. And if we can resolve that, you know, if I can make even one person go, hm, maybe the cops aren't that bad. Yeah, that's important to me, too.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah. And I've told a few people that we were doing this, and they're like, why did they agree to do that with you guys? I was like, honestly, I think they just, you know, are willing to try stuff.

[Kevin]

First of all, I can't believe I'm even sitting here with one of these things on.

[Payne Lindsay]

I'm serious, because I can tell a.

[Kevin]

Long, long time, and I have never done this. I never thought I would. I always told myself never.

[Payne Lindsay]

Could you just tell me, like, in your own words, like, why you decided to reach out to me in the first place to talk about Crystal's case?

[Kevin]

So in reviewing the case, there was people that you talked to that I don't know that would have talked to law enforcement. And I think it was important for me to have that information for my investigation. I think we talked previously that there's people that don't want to talk to law enforcement that will talk to you. And that information may or may not be valuable, but I would like to at least be able to review it and see how it might be applicable to what I'm doing in my investigation. So that was my number one reason. The number two reason is I felt you guys actually cared about this case. I did listen to your podcast, and I thought that you did a good job. You were very thorough, and you had a lot of community Interest with your community interest. I was hopeful that I could get a message out that we're still working on this case and we want to resolve it. I did not work on this case. This case was handled by other agents. I'd heard about it and then I heard other people talking about your podcast and, oh, it's very interesting. So I listened to it and I thought, wow, this is great. Fast forward to last year. This case was assigned to me and I recalled your podcast. I re listened to it and I thought you had valuable information. Sometimes I think that the media is helpful, sometimes I don't think they are. And in this instance, I thought you guys were trying to be very helpful. Just your overall perspective that you generated through the podcast, that you cared about Crystal, her family, and you also wanted a resolution.

[Payne Lindsay]

How many times have you called a podcaster to help figure it out?

[Kevin]

Zero. I have never called the media for anything in any one of my cases. Of course, we want the resource that the media has to offer to us to get the word out there, to get a picture out, to get video out and ask for assistance from the public. We need their help in these cases. We need their help in the majority of the cases we work. But have I ever just reached out to somebody such as yourself and said, can we talk about this? I think you have information that might be valuable. I've never done that. What I gathered from listening to your podcast is you had a genuine real life connection to this case and you want to solve it as much as I do. You want to know what happened to Crystal. So not knowing you, but knowing kind of your take on this case and who you are, I think some people, they're more apt to talk to you than they are to law enforcement.

[Payne Lindsay]

But why is that, you think?

[Kevin]

Well, I think some people have things to hide. There's multiple reasons why they might not want to talk. People are reluctant to talk to law enforcement because of the culture that they're raised in or poor experiences with law enforcement in the past. I think it's easier for you to say, hey, I'm looking at this case and I just want to chat with you about it. You know, if I show up and say that, they get worried that they're going to be in trouble, or I'm going to think they're hiding something, or they fear that I'm there to arrest them, which is not the case. I just, I need help. I need their information. So what I'm looking for in your information is cooperation of things we may already know. Potentially new information that may not have been shared by the multitude of people that you talk to, and something that might lead to new information in this case, maybe a new name that was overlooked that we never heard of because somebody mentioned them to you, but they never mentioned them to law enforcement. Things of that nature is what I'm looking for, and hopefully it opens new doors and gets us started down a new path. I'm not sure what happened. I think that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of here. And with a partnership that with CBI and our local communities, in this case, Saguache County Sheriff's Office, I think we'll figure out what happened in this case. But we need the public to help us, too. I do think it's solvable. And although difficult, because a lot of the people involved in this case are from an alternate culture, some of them are not very friendly with law enforcement. Some of them just are not friendly with government, period. So I think that's one hurdle. The age of the case, really, it's a little bit old. I wouldn't call it excessively old. So, again, sometimes time works in our favor in these cases, and I think that's potentially the case here. Here, most people want to share information even though they're scared. I think somebody knows what happened in this case, whatever it may be. I think somebody knows. They just need to pick up the phone, give us a call, and. And we'll come and talk to them, and hopefully we can get a resolution.

[Payne Lindsay]

If that person you're talking about, who may be the linchpin in solving this with whatever information they may have, if they were to hear this, what would you say to them?

[Kevin]

Call me. I'm just a regular guy. I just come out and meet with you and we can talk. That's it. I think if this was your sister or your mom or your family member, you would want somebody to do that for you. And I know I would if it was my family. If you think from that perspective, there's really no risk you can provide information. You don't even have to give me your name right up front. We can talk, and then we can make some decisions on if your information's valid and we can move forward from there. My primary focus is this case I'm not interested in. Unless you're going to tell me about another murder or another missing person, it's not of a concern to me as to your history or what your involvement in some criminal activities may have been in this case. If it's Narcotics or, you know, those kind of things. That is not a concern. My concern is the disappearance of Crystal. The biggest thing, again, is a phone call or a piece of information, you know, walking into. To our offices or walking into the office of the sheriff and providing that piece of information, even though you might be scared, that is the key to get this thing rolling. And I stand behind that 100% that we need that help from the community.

[Payne Lindsay]

How could we help beyond this point?

[Kevin]

I spent a lot of time in the San Luis Valley. Everybody knew about this podcast. So I can't say that that's, you know, I don't spend as much time there now. But I don't think that if I went down there today, people would say, oh, are you down here for Crystal?

[Payne Lindsay]

Right, right.

[Kevin]

But back year and a half ago, two years ago, you knocked on somebody's door or you were doing some. Are you here for the crystal resinger thing? And I think that probably is part of what you were able to build with this. I think this, just this conversation today is important to build that kind of trust. I. Hopefully people can see that, you know, you. I think you took a risk coming to meet me and sharing your whole work with me, which, which I greatly appreciate. What do we have to do to solve this case? And I will try then this is a try. And maybe it's going to be the breaker that gets us to where we need to go. Law enforcement is. Is really helpful. That's why we're here. We're not bad people. We're. We're just normal people doing a job that some people don't like right now. And it's unfortunate, but again, I go back to that kind of notion. If this was your family, if this was your sister, what would you do? You'd do the right thing. And that's what I need you to do. I'm a huge fan of luck. Yeah, I'd rather be lucky than good any day. And I think in this case, we need a little bit of luck. These cases are difficult. Do I think it's solvable? Yes. Does that mean it's going to be solved? Not necessarily, but I won't give up.

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[Payne Lindsay]

What's up man?

[Kevin]

How are you? Good to see you.

[Payne Lindsay]

How you been?

[Ghost]

Good.

[Payne Lindsay]

Good a while. How you doing?

[Kevin]

I'm too. You remember my boss, right?

[Payne Lindsay]

I do remember, yeah.

[Kevin]

Nice to see you.

[Payne Lindsay]

Last month the team and I went to Denver to attend a ceremony held on the court steps of their capitol. Colorado's official missing persons day. This day serves as a stark reminder of the void left behind when a loved one vanishes.

[Kevin]

And a painful and persistent question mark.

[Payne Lindsay]

Are etched into the hearts of families and communities across our state. The numbers are sobering as we stand here today. 680 individuals remain missing in our state.

[Executive Director]

When I took over as executive director in 2013, we had around 240 missing persons under suspicious circumstances. That number you just heard of. 688 more than doubled in that time. The database that we have started in 1970, the explosion of missing persons is stunning to say the least. Every day we wake up to have a cup of coffee and look at these beautiful rocky mountains. Our loved one is not with us. We're revictimized every day, every single day. It's time that the community step up and get involved. Pick up the phone, even if it's uncomfortable, and call the authorities. Your name will not be outed, but get the information that you have to the authorities so that they can help these families behind me. The easy wrong is to simply do nothing at all and keep the information that you have about a significant case to yourself and live with that and go to the grave with it. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes. Please do the hard right over the easy wrong.

[Kevin]

Christopher Enoch Abeda.

[Inmate]

Dora Alcarez. Emilio Allegra Martinez.

[Payne Lindsay]

One by one, they read out all the names of every missing person in Colorado.

[Inmate]

Abdul Malik Al Kandari.

[Payne Lindsay]

Shada Gami.

[Kevin]

Michael Cody Gilkeson. Joshua Tane Glasser.

[Payne Lindsay]

Philip Gomez.

[Kevin]

Daniel Alexander Gomez Vasquez. Dolores Susan Ragonza.

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[Kevin]

Steven Reddy.

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Crystal Ann Reisner.

[Payne Lindsay]

It was powerful, extremely emotional. And then her name. Crystal Reisinger. Hearing it out loud in front of dozens of other families desperate for answers. With law enforcement standing next to me, everything about this just felt different. Like a line had been finally drawn. There's no more waiting, no more hoping someone will finally say something. The time is now. And trust me when I say we're Closing in.

[Kevin]

Joe kills a prior agent who was okay. And had a relationship with Payne during. Because Joe was the original investigator on this case. One of them.

[Payne Lindsay]

When you first called me like you had. You had listened to that, right?

[Kevin]

I had listened to it.

[Payne Lindsay]

Joe had vouched for me. Because Joe.

[Kevin]

Other than that reason I talked to you is because of Joe Cadence.

[Payne Lindsay]

That's what I was telling them. I was like, the only reason, like, he really talked to me because I never burned Joe.

[Kevin]

Nope.

[Payne Lindsay]

Not a lot of cops like to play with journalists. You know, especially true crime podcasters.

[Ghost]

You know.

[Payne Lindsay]

That's probably your worst nightmare. Just for sure. At first glance. Right. But he's one of the first. You know, I guess law enforcement agents said gave a. About us. We were doing the story either way. And like, we can.

[Kevin]

Some of your information was valid.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah. And like, I'm not really asking you for anything, but we can have an open channel and I'm not going to burn you. I'll prove it.

[Kevin]

Yeah.

[Payne Lindsay]

You know.

[Kevin]

Yeah. And he. What I thought was a cool thing was you guys could talk to people that. We can't talk.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Or they talk to you and vice versa.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yes.

[Kevin]

And then you shared that information with us. Certainly is. Has been invaluable.

[Payne Lindsay]

So for us. I mean, we're planning on doing like a recap. And one. So much has happened since 2018. Oh.

[Kevin]

For sure.

[Payne Lindsay]

Even just like the suspect's dying and.

[Kevin]

Yeah. You know, Brian's day.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah. So like, really the story is mostly like a recap of everything before anything that's happening with you right now.

[Kevin]

Sure.

[Payne Lindsay]

But I would be curious to know what would be smart for me to say or highlight or point at or.

[Kevin]

Just like last time. That's a really closed off community.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

And they need to know that they can trust the cops. And we talked about this last time.

[Payne Lindsay]

Like the drugs will be a thing that they're scared of.

[Kevin]

Could care less about the drugs. How do they believe you after they just look at the unit that I work in. Homicide unit.

[Payne Lindsay]

Right.

[Kevin]

Not a drug guy.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah. Right.

[Kevin]

Is it hard to get that across to them? For sure. But I think a lot of them. There is people down there that. That know. Maybe not know my name in particular, but they know cbi. And CBI is usually not down there for drugs. They're down there for major homicide cases, missing persons, things like that. So that the. The public's helping. This is going to be key.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

You know, and. And these guys are dead. If it's these two guys or third guy or fifth guy or all five of 10 of them. How many of her it is? A lot of them are dead. And if somebody knows something, they don't have to be scared of these guys anymore. I know everybody was terrified of that group of people, and I don't blame them. We truly do. Person.

[Payne Lindsay]

We were scared at one point of the idea of, like, who this person was and what he was capable of. Yeah.

[Kevin]

He's created this Persona and the community knows his Persona and he's gone.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

And I think, you know, dispelling some of the fear would be really helpful from my perspective. You know, again, we talked about the reward last time, reminding people that, hey, there's money out here.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

For you to come forward that leads to her remains or the resolution of this case. Yeah. Because money always talks. We're talking a lot of money. And that could change somebody's life with. With the right piece of information.

[Payne Lindsay]

If you're somebody who is tangentially involved, who knows information that could potentially solve this case. Right. I'm just guessing here, but they might have the fear that they would go down for this murder even if they didn't do it. They'd almost want to know that, like, they'd have immunity from that, like, in some way. Like, I know that's like a thing that you can't probably promise anybody.

[Kevin]

Yeah. There's legal ways for us to. If they cooperate. Yeah. They don't get charged. Right. There's legal ways. Many a time I've. I've sat down with people and they've shared information in exchange for, you know, leniency or even maybe not getting charged. So I don't know how you would say that to the general public.

[Payne Lindsay]

Well, I mean, I think you just said it some way that was perfect, like. Yeah, like this is something that.

[Kevin]

It does exist. It does happen.

[Payne Lindsay]

And if you are that first person to talk, then that's why I'd listen.

[Kevin]

To 10 people if they all had something to offer that led me to her or led to her remains and led to a reservation. Really, I'm interested. Like I said before, let's find her first and then we'll decide what happened. And that's always the way I want to go because then I can give that peace. We get rid of the biggest corporation problem here, which is not knowing where she is. And, you know, a no body case is super hard. Super hard. So if we get there, then we move forward. So in these instances, if there's I. And I think there's probably multiple people that know in this instance, absolutely everybody down there is connected in. In the drug world, in the. In the criminal world. They all know each other down there. So. And stories travel. Whether the stories that they know, know are exactly accurate. That's for me to decide later.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Build the facts and build.

[Payne Lindsay]

Right. What connects, what doesn't.

[Kevin]

Exactly. So any bit of information is helpful. But yeah. I mean there is legal ways to do that where if somebody came forward and said, hey, I want to talk but I'm scared I'm going to get charged. We. We'd work with them in some regard.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah. So what that message to get like to get out there, but also want the message that they should be compelled to talk at this point where like on the opposite side of that, if you keep running down the trails that you're on and you connect these dots, I would imagine that same leniency won't be there as the time has expired or is expiring.

[Kevin]

Because we're still working.

[Payne Lindsay]

Exactly. You've continued. We've continued.

[Kevin]

We're going to continue to work on this thing until we resolve it.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

And the bad guys should know that. So. Yeah. I mean, you guys, like I said last time, that's one of the reasons why I agreed to talk because I think you can be super helpful in this case. Everybody knows in Lindsay and Up and Vanished and Presto and the Valor. They all know it. Every time I go down the line, oh, you're. That's the up and Vanished case. Everybody says so that leverage is helpful to me. These people just. This dude's lazy.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yes.

[Kevin]

And he would have to. Well, first of all, he probably employ somebody to help him.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yes.

[Kevin]

And I just don't think these guys are smart enough to do what would take to do that.

[Payne Lindsay]

Absolutely not.

[Kevin]

And they may be connected with somebody who knows more than them. And money and drugs talk. Like, since we've talked, there's quite a few things that have happened. It's certainly moving a lot. Like nothing to jump for joy about. Yeah. But it is. There is more than. There's some things that have occurred that investigatively give me places to move. So it's not stale.

[Payne Lindsay]

I love that.

[Kevin]

Yeah. I've followed some leads to some places.

[Payne Lindsay]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[Kevin]

And we searched since last time we met. We've searched some places. I'm willing to share that with you.

[Payne Lindsay]

Anything good, bad or neutral.

[Kevin]

Just neutral right now. But it certainly is leading to other things.

[Payne Lindsay]

Okay.

[Kevin]

Okay.

[Payne Lindsay]

So it's still in like an evidentiary standpoint or reactionary from the Individual.

[Kevin]

Individual. Like investigatively.

[Payne Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Kevin]

Leading to people that hopefully will be willing to discuss this case.

[Payne Lindsay]

Any names that I don't have to put them out that like I. Of people that I talk to in the podcast. People.

[Kevin]

But there's other people that you would. You've never heard of one of them? I know that name.

[Payne Lindsay]

Okay.

[Kevin]

He lived with Catfish and he was.

[Payne Lindsay]

In jail at that time or something. And I tried to talk to while he was in jail. Okay, like does that sound accurate that he would have been.

[Kevin]

He would have been in jail.

[Payne Lindsay]

I remember. I remember like trying to add him in some list on like a. Here we go. Yeah. Securus app.

[Kevin]

Who sent you? Who's this?

[Payne Lindsay]

I think I did mess a.

[Kevin]

Who? Do you know who that is? Is that a real person or is it a name?

[Payne Lindsay]

Just sounds like an inmate at Sumner County, Florida says he has information for you.

[Kevin]

Would you mind sharing that with?

[Payne Lindsay]

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[Kevin]

Rice. Rice came to my name. He lives right down the street from Cat. I'm sure you've heard Rice. I'm pretty sure it was Rice.

[Payne Lindsay]

I didn't know anything about this Rice person at first. And to be honest, I'd never even heard his name. All I knew was that he was locked up in Florida and that he wasn't some outsider looking in. He was connected. I had no idea what he was about to tell me. No idea if he was even telling the truth. But I knew one thing. This was a conversation I needed to have. So I got on an app called Securus where you can message inmates in prison. I found his contact, an inmate number. Then I messaged him. I said, hey, your Girlfriend sent me an email this morning instead. You may have information regarding Crystal.

[Ghost]

I can get you the answers you want from his mouth. I am the one that can make him talk. He doesn't fear anything, but he fears me. I can make him talk and talk about what you want to know. I am trying to get a bond hearing next week and hoping to post bond. Actual court date is August 16th. I'm trying to get out before that. And as to why, I know you put in a lot of work and had some dead ends and sometimes help can come from someone or some place you least expect. What I am thinking is hard to explain. To sum it up, karma. He has done too much wrong and he tried to harm someone I love and I'm trying to change my ways or he would be gone My way. They call me ghost for a reason, but my wife has asked me not to be that person anymore. I love her and I will do my best to make her happy. There's probably more shit than you want to hear, but there it is. And I would love to see his face when he knows it's over and his mom and dad can't buy his way out. And I give you my word, when I get out of here, I will get you the answers you want. Thank you.

[Payne Lindsay]

Rice gave me details I couldn't ignore, but were they real or was he just playing a game? That question sent me down a path that would take years to unravel. And for a while, it felt like a complete dead end. Today, we're making it official. Colorado Bureau of Investigation has launched a brand new tip line created specifically for this case. For Crystal, this is no longer just an investigation, a cold case. It's action. It's real. And if you're listening to this right now and you know something, this is your last chance to come forward before the walls inevitably close in anyway. The official tip line for Crystal Reisinger's case for the Colorado Bureau of investigation is 720-741-7410. Again, that's 720-741-7410. This is the official tip line from the CBI. If you have real information, I'm pleading that you come forward. Forward. Don't have any regrets. Everything you say will go straight to the investigators. Not to me, not to the podcast, to the people who can actually make the arrest. For too many years in this case, people have stayed quiet. But now silence is no longer an option because this case is closing in. And when it does, you don't want to be on the wrong side of it. We want and we need the community's help here. Let's finish this and finally bring justice to Crystal Reisinger. Stay tuned next Friday for brand new updates from Season three, the disappearance of Ashley Loring, heavy runner from Browning, Montana. And as you can see, we're now one week closer, circling back to Season four in the Midnight Sun. I appreciate all your patience and I know as a listener it can be frustrating as a case is unfolding in real time. But all I ask is to give us the benefit of the doubt here. Know that we're coming back full swing and every minute you've waited is a minute we've spent getting that much closer to solving these cases. If you want to check out some additional content and some behind the scenes videos, go check out my Instagram ain. Lindsay, thank you for listening and for all your support. I will see you next Friday.

Up and Vanished in the Midnight sun is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. Your host is Payne Lindsay. The show is written by Payne Lindsay with additional assistance from Mike Rooney. Executive producers are Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay. Lead producer is Mike Rooney along with producers Dylan Harrington and Cooper Skinner. Editing by Mike Rooney and Cooper Skinner with additional editing by Dylan Harrington. Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan. Additional Production by Victoria McKenzie, Alice Kanique, Glenn and Eric Quintana. Artwork by Rob Sheridan Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set mix and mastered by Cooper Skinner. Thank you thank you to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at uta, Beck Media and Marketing and the Nord Group. Special thanks to all of the families and community members that spoke to the team. Additional information and resources can be found in our show Notes. For more podcasts like up and Vanished, search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app or visit us@Tenderfoot TV. Thanks for listening.

[Kevin]

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