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Kyle Tequila
You're listening to a Tenderfoot TV podcast.
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Payne Lindsay
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Kyle Tequila
My name is Kyle Tequila, host of.
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Maggie Freeling
The shocking new true crime podcast Crook County.
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Kyle Tequila
I got recruited into the mob when.
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Meredith Steadman
I was 17 years old.
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Maggie Freeling
People are dying. Is he doing this every night? Kenny was a Chicago firefighter who lived a secret double life as a mafia.
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Kyle Tequila
Hit wife and I had two children. Nobody knew anything.
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Maggie Freeling
He was a freaking crazy man. He was my father and I had no idea about any of this until now. From Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts, Crook county is available Tuesday, February 11th. Listen for free on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, it's Paint. Hopefully by now you know that we launched a brand new true crime show with my good friend Maggie Freeling. It's called up and Vanished Weekly. Each week we dive into some of the most puzzling, unresolved cases, bringing you expert insights and fresh perspectives. Today I want to share with you one of our newest episodes of up and Vanish Weekly. This is a case I worked on personally myself, Jody Husentrud, who went missing from Iowa nearly three decades ago. It's a very bizarre case and we dive as deep as we possibly can into it. While you listen Please go search up and vanish weekly on your podcast app and follow the show. There's more episodes out right now, with new episodes releasing every Wednesday. I hope you enjoy it.
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Meredith Steadman
This podcast discusses mature and sensitive content, including descriptions of violence that may be triggering for some audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
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Maggie Freeling
It's early afternoon on Tuesday, June 27, 1995. As the coolness of morning fades, the news team at KIMT peeks outside a window of the station. A circus of reporters and trucks are gathering, and the sun seems to spotlight the frenzy. KIMT is a local news station in Mason City, Iowa, so this type of scene is common. But today is different. There's a notable change in the air as various other news crews circle the station. An unsettling feeling grows amongst the colleagues. They feel a pit in their stomachs. Earlier that day, Jody Husentrut, the station's morning news anchor, didn't show up for work. As the team scrambled to produce the show in her absence, her co workers went from thinking she'd simply overslept to now fearing something far worse had happened. Over the next few hours, they would learn the shocking reality of what had actually transpired that morning. And Jody, Mason City's beloved morning news anchor, was about to become the day's top story. From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, I'm Payne Lindsay.
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Meredith Steadman
And I'm Maggie Freeling, and you're listening.
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Maggie Freeling
To up and Vanished Weekly.
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Meredith Steadman
Hey, y'all. Welcome to up and Vanished Weekly. I'm Maggie Freeling. I am so thrilled you're joining us for our debut episode. I'm sure you're here because you already know and love pain, and some of you may know and may love me, but for those who don't, I hope you get to know me and you want to stick around. So to start, besides being a fanatic cat mom, my entire identity is as a journalist. I need to know the who, what, when, where, why of everything. It's truly insufferable for everyone around me and myself. Lucky for you, though, that's why I'm here today. I want to get to the bottom of every mystery and find out the facts of every matter. And this first case I feel particularly connected to because Jodi was also a journalist and she was young. She had her entire career ahead of her. And I remember that point in my life, landing my first big job, scrambling to prove myself and get the story. And when we get lost in the shuffle like that, it's so easy to to be blindsided by what we're least expecting. Joining me today to talk about Jodi's case is Meredith Stedman, a producer at Tenderfoot who has worked closely with Payne and the team on the up and Vanish series. Meredith, I am freaking stoked you're here. So good to see you.
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Kyle Tequila
Thanks, Maggie. I'm honestly really excited to be here. It's been a while since I've been in the up and Vanished universe.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah. So, Meredith, I know that you've worked with Payne and the up and Vanished team on almost from the beginning, and you work on the Tenderfoot horror series Radio Rental, a favorite of mine, as well as hosting Rattled and Shook. But I'm curious, how did you meet Payne and the team in the first place?
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Kyle Tequila
Wow. Yeah. So I have been around since the early days. I got into working at Tenderfoot, actually, when up and Vanished, like, kind of first came out. It hadn't really blown up yet. The case hadn't broken. This is season one, Tara Grinstead's case, and I was following it. I'm a writer, and I just cold emailed and offered writing assistance. And then Payne needed more help, and I just joined the team full time, and then I've been here ever since. Wow.
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Meredith Steadman
That's kind of the dream. Just like following a case and having the person working it be like, hey, come on.
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Kyle Tequila
I did not expect it. I'll never forget, like, the first blurb I wrote. I think, like, Payne was like, hey, can you help me write something about the town of Ocilla? And I remember I hadn't been there yet, so I was, like, looking up Ocilla and trying to describe it.
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Meredith Steadman
Wow, crazy.
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Kyle Tequila
Haven't thought about that in a while.
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Meredith Steadman
You also worked with Payne on Jodi's case for the up and Vanished TV series. When you first looked at the overview of the case, what stood out to you about Jodi?
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Kyle Tequila
Of all the cases that I've worked on since working at Tenderfoot, this is one of the cases that has really stuck with me the most. I think it's because I felt I related to Jodi a bit more maybe than some of the other cases that we've covered. And I think that's because she was this journalist. She's an anchor. She had all these dreams of working in that space and making her way up to the national rankings and being on national tv. And I think I similarly kind of got into this career because I was interested in journalism. When I went to school, that was what I initially tried to study. And I think I just kind of related to her dreams. And it was so scary to think that someone so public facing, with so much promise disappeared like that. And I also felt a sense of kinship with her. So it's kind of stuck with me all these years.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah, it's so interesting. Cause that's exactly what stuck out to me.
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Kyle Tequila
Right.
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Meredith Steadman
Like the young journalist, like, I just was like, yeah, I could see myself going to my 3am public radio shift and like, being ambushed is horrifying.
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah. And there's so many options for who could have done it because she's so public facing. And you can see from all the videos of her, she seems like such a light. I can just imagine how in this smaller town, she could be an object of fixation for a lot of people.
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Meredith Steadman
Mm.
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Kyle Tequila
But, yeah, the fact that she was doing such a service for the town and was so beloved, but then had so many weird interactions with kind of obsessive men, it just kind of makes me sad. And it really, I think, is another reason that it stuck with me. I just.
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Meredith Steadman
It.
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Kyle Tequila
It doesn't seem fair.
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Meredith Steadman
So it's been almost 30 years since she disappeared, and we have no answers. When you covered this for the TV show, you didn't just retell the story. You guys actually took a real deep dive, retracing steps of the original investigation and following up on investigative leads. Can you tell me a bit about some of the things that you did?
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah, yeah. I think that's maybe why of the up and vanish TV showcases, this is probably, for lack of a better word, my favorite. Because we really did try to look into a lot of different angles, some of which I think are more possible. Some are just, you know, to cover all bases, to look into every single thing that was mentioned to us. But we really went to that town. We went to Mason City, Iowa, where Jodi was the anchor. We went to her apartment complex, we talked to her co anchor, the woman that was at the station at the time. We even talked to some people that were like, anonymous tipsters or people that gave us new information that they tried to give the police prior and felt they weren't heard when they delivered that information. So we really were talking to a lot of people that hadn't spoken in years and years about things that they heard and saw around those days when she disappeared. And if you saw the show towards the end of that episode, Payne actually tried to speak with one of the main persons of interest. And it was honestly a pretty interesting interaction.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah. And I want to get to that. But first, I want to go back and start with the morning that Jodi vanished, because we learned some critical information from a really small window of time. Here's pain with more.
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Maggie Freeling
As an early morning news anchor, Jody had a strict routine on days she was on the air. She arrived at the station at 3am preparing for the 6am broadcast. This meant she usually went to bed early the night before. But leading up to her disappearance in the early morning hours of June 27, several details seemed to indicate that her normal routine wasn't followed. Here's what we know. Around 2am that Tuesday, Jodi's producer Amy Kunz arrived at KIMT. She started the process of preparing the crew for the day's morning segments. Before long, Jody's usual 3am arrival time came and went. It wasn't until 4am that Amy looked at the clock and realized she hadn't heard from Jodi all morning. So she called to check on her. The phone rang and Jody picked up. She was groggy and it was clear that Amy had woke her up. When she realized what happened, Jody apologized, stated she'd overslept and she'd be right in. But a short time later, there was still no word from Jody. Amy tried calling Jody again, but this time there was no response. This few hour period would later be determined as the window when Jody disappeared. But at that time, Amy couldn't have known that Jody was in danger. She just assumed that Jody had fallen asleep again. The morning rolled on and after two hours of not hearing from Jody, Amy began to grow more concerned. At 6am Someone from the station went to Jody's apartment to check on her and still no answer. It was at this point they decided to call the Mason City Police Department to perform a wellness check. Police arrive at Jody's apartment complex at 7:30am and immediately find something very out of place. Next to Jody's red Mazda Miata, they saw different items scattered across the parking lot. Authorities identified a high heeled shoe, a hairdryer, hairbrush, hairspray and other belongings that looked to have fallen out of a bag. As concerning as this scene looked, they became more alarmed when they found a bent car key. The police noticed that Jody's car mirror was bent backwards and found what looked like drag marks in the area moving away from her vehicle. At this point, it was shaping up to look like much more than an accident. Police canvassed the area but found no other evidence. They did some knocks on doors in the complex and got some early tips from neighbors. A few residents said they heard voices and potentially screaming in the early morning hours. Authorities also noticed a pile of beer cans in an area of the parking lot that had a clear line of sight to Jody's apartment. Were these mere coincidences or potential clues painting the picture of what happened to Jody? The evidence in the parking lot showed signs of a struggle, but it was not enough to give police a full story, so the investigators shifted their focus to Jody's apartment. While they didn't find anything that pointed to forced entry, they did find some used wine glasses and something interesting in the bathroom. Apart from her normal personal items, authorities noticed that the toilet seat was left up. What's normally a pretty clear sign that a man had been there at some point. Recently, suspicions were mounting, and it became clear that authorities needed to learn more about who may have interacted with Jodi that morning.
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Meredith Steadman
So first we need to just talk about the scene. The evidence that the police found at Jody's complex. You have this high heeled shoe. I think it was red. A hairdryer, a hairbrush, hairspray, and a couple other belongings. But it literally looks like a woman was just dragged away from this car. And they do find potential drag marks and a bent key, as if she was going to put it in the door. To me, this seems like clear signs of struggle took place. What do you make on this whole scene?
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah, I'm glad you phrased it that way. It appears to be a crime scene, but we don't know if a crime took place there. Because I remember feeling like, is there a chance this was staged? The pictures look almost like a bad student film. But do I think it's likely that the crime took place there, that the abduction took place there? Yes, I do. Because what I've always found super unique about this case is that there's a very clear timeframe for when this took place. This probably happened somewhere between 3, 33, 45, like somewhere in there. And it's kind of rare, I think, to have such a really exact timeframe where this probably happened. And if we hadn't had that phone call from Amy, who knows what could have happened? It'd be. The whole night would be a possibility. But now we know it's like just this early morning time when she usually would be rushing to her car. So it does seem pretty likely that that's the crime scene.
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Meredith Steadman
Right. And so there's some red flags that when you start digging come up that maybe there was something going on in Jodi's life. She mentioned she was being followed when she was out running. She was taking self defense classes. And of course, back then, her number and her address were publicly available.
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Kyle Tequila
Wow.
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Meredith Steadman
What do you make of some of this? Do you think there was something going on in her life?
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Kyle Tequila
Yes, I definitely do. There is the option that this is a random crime of opportunity, and that was definitely explored in our up and Vanished episode about it. But I think also from everything we heard, there were several people that may have been infatuated with Jodie. She'd had a stalker in the recent past before she went missing. I think it's pretty safe to say that though a random crime of opportunity as possible, there is so much evidence pointing towards a crime of passion that I don't think that can be ignored.
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Meredith Steadman
Our discussion continues after a quick break.
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Kyle Tequila
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Meredith Steadman
Random crime makes headlines, but how common is it really? A 2022 article by News Nation with the same name offers some insight. Citing statistics from 2020, they found that 25% of crimes are committed by a total stranger, 24% of crimes are committed by someone related to the victim, and over 50% of crimes are committed by someone the victim knows but is not related to. So while many people think that crimes are most often incidents of opportunity committed by strangers, statistics seem to show otherwise.
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Kyle Tequila
Any crime should be taken seriously.
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Meredith Steadman
If you're the victim of a crime.
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Maggie Freeling
Call 911 to report it immediately.
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Meredith Steadman
If you have information about a crime, call Crime Stoppers USA at 1-800-22-2, tips. All right, now back to our case. We were just talking a little bit about why this case resonates with us. Cause we're both producers and, you know, we both wanted to be journalists. And Jody really made it. She was like a local celebrity. And. And back then, you know, being on tv, there was no TikTok, nothing like that. So Jodie, she was in the limelight. How much of this do you think is related to that?
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Kyle Tequila
Oh, I think a lot. I do. And I don't think that only people in the limelight can be obsessed over stalked. However, I think you're absolutely right. Like Mason City, Iowa, it's not a huge place. And I think you're right. You know, no TikTok, no social Media like, no other celebrities live there, except for kind of the people on the local news. And I think that she was a really hot commodity in the area, and I'm sure that made people feel a parasocial connection with her. Maybe she was seen as kind of like a trophy, like a goal, if you could, like, be friends with her, if you could be in her circle. And I kind of think that a lot of the stories we've heard pointed towards that, too. A lot of people wanted to be around her also. That's terrible that what you said about, like, her phone number and address being public information. It just makes me squirm, makes me so upset.
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Meredith Steadman
Right? I mean, the White Pages or the Yellow pages, I mean, 1995, it's like, yeah, our addresses are out there now. But it's so interesting because, you know, as a producer, when you're trying to find someone, you get like, 50 different addresses, and who knows which one it is? And, you know, it's like AI aggregating your data with your mom's and your dad's. But back then, it was like, you find her last name, and there is her most recent address. That's terrifying. And there's speculation around whether Jody may have had someone in her apartment the night before she disappeared, and that person may have been the last person to see her alive. Thankfully, some crucial details about the hours before her disappearance were about to be revealed. Here's Payne with more.
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Maggie Freeling
On the evening of June 11, just a few days before she went missing, Jody's friends and co workers threw her 27th birthday party at a lounge in nearby Clear Lake. Everything was captured on video. You can see red balloons, party hats, and streamers. A big banner reading Party Hardy Girl hung above the cake with the figurine topper of a skier, a nod to Jody's love for the outdoors. Everyone seemed to be having a good time, especially Jody. You can see her smiling wide and laughing hard as she dances on the table, singing all of her favorite songs. It seems like the kind of night you'd remember for a long time. But in the video of the party, it also shows Jodi dancing closely with a man. It's a party, so that's not out of place. But you can't help but notice a few odd details. First, there's a significant age difference. Jody turned 27, but the man she was with looked a lot older, about 20 years older. And secondly, the vibe seemed off, like he's much more into Jody than she's into him. So the question became, who is he, his connection to Jody and his interaction with her in the hours leading up to her disappearance will answer several burning questions, but also raise many more.
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Kyle Tequila
Last night, new information on the case was released in a two hour program on the Oxygen Network.
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Payne Lindsay
Happy birthday to you.
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Maggie Freeling
For the first time, the video of.
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Kyle Tequila
Jody Husentruth's last birthday party is made public as part of up and Vanished.
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Payne Lindsay
A two hour show airing on the Oxygen Network.
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Kyle Tequila
The FBI and Mason City police have both told Kareleva News the video is evidence in the case of the missing news anchor.
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Meredith Steadman
So I want to talk about this infamous video of Jody dancing at her birthday party with a friend of hers. This man is named John Van Cise. The age difference between the two of them is quite visible. He is older, she is very young. And a lot of people say there's a weird vibe when you study the video.
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah, speculation is hard. However, if you're just asking me how I feel, the video is weird. The video is super weird. The whole thing about the video is weird. Jodi had had the birthday party very recently before she went missing. And her friend, this man who I think she had like a 14 year age gap with or something like that, had apparently thrown her this party and had asked his friend to video it. And if you watch the video, it's like, John Van Cise, the man who threw this party, is hamming it up. I mean, he is like life of the party. They're dancing a lot. He's touching her constantly, picking her up, sweeping her up in his arms, like, you know, bridal style. He's pressing their cheeks together. He's getting on the table and pumping his fists. And there's also a few moments where she's dancing with someone else and he is just like staring at her.
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Meredith Steadman
I've only seen clips of the video because when I see this, I'm like, I don't know, it's a drunk guy having fun.
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Kyle Tequila
But yeah, it does look like that the clip does.
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Meredith Steadman
But maybe if I saw more, I would think otherwise.
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Kyle Tequila
Well, I think what it would be is like you'd either be like, oh, they are best friends, or oh, they're in love or they're dating or, oh my gosh, like some. He must be some really significant figure in her life. But the thing is that they'd met six months prior. They weren't dating. And at least that's what her friend told us, that they had met like six months before. And that's why I'm like, he threw this party. He's like, clearly Pulling out all the stops. And she looks like she's having a lot of fun at the party. Arguably, he almost looks like he's having more fun.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah. And he's really important because the night before she went missing, he is allegedly the last person to see her. And he comes forward and says that.
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Kyle Tequila
The night before Jodi went missing, apparently John Van Cise, he's the one who said this. He's the one who put this out there, said that she came over to his house that night, the night before she went missing, and that they watched the videotape together. And on the up and Vanished show, we actually talked to someone who anonymously claimed that the following day, when Jody had gone missing, and it was just starting to be figured out that John Van Cise made some weird comments along the lines of being like, I have the video. Like, I have the video of the birthday. Like, I can prove it. And it almost seemed like he was desperate to. To prove that they had a good connection. Now, that's coming from this anonymous source who I did see in Mason City of Iowa, that I did, like, you know, Payne Donald and I, the whole team, like, met this person, but, you know, we can't verify that. However, I do think now that you, like, I'm telling you, that it was like they met within six months. It is kind of strange, right? It's like, now that you know that and you've seen the video or at least clips of it, you're like, oh, they seem like they'd be so much closer. The police report initially had kind of gone into just, like, the facts of what they could verify, and that was that that day, before she went missing, Jodi had gone to a charity golf tournament, had left around 8pm had gone home. And then there was a phone call to a friend, like, on her call log. And then it's like a question mark until the next morning when she's called from the station, and they're like, jodie, you're late. And she's like, huh? Oh, I'll be right there. And like, that is like, all that is there on paper from my understanding. And then John Van Cise kind of entered the picture and offered up information that Jody had gone over that night, and they had watched the videotape of her birthday party together. Then within the next couple of days, John went on the news and made some strange comments. And one of the comments that he made publicly is that he was the last person to see Jody alive, which is really odd because no one said she was dead. Why would you say you're the last person that saw her alive? Right. You know, she's missing. People at that time still had hope that she would be found.
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Meredith Steadman
It's also a weird statement to make because you don't know that unless you're the one that did something with her and she's no longer alive. Like, I wouldn't be like, oh, I'm the last one to see that person, even if I say alive or not. Like, how do you know you're the last person to see her?
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Kyle Tequila
And why would you want to be like, I wouldn't want to be the last person to see anybody.
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Meredith Steadman
Mm.
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Kyle Tequila
Even if he is. Has nothing to do with it. It just feels kind of like a possessive remark to make. Like he just wanted everyone to know that they were very close and that he was the final person that she saw before she went missing. And honestly, like to say that publicly, too. It's like, well, everyone knows it was at night, you know, the night before. Like, I think he kind of had a fixation on making sure people knew that they had a maybe romantic connection or maybe it could turn into that or something like that.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah. And I also wanna point out that we don't really know whose house, who went to whose house. If Jodie went to John's house to watch the video before she disappeared or if he went to her house, this was just his word of what was happening that evening.
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Kyle Tequila
Unless the police have some other evidence that we haven't seen. I've never heard that was verified. However, in recent years, they got a warrant for GPS information about John Van Cise's car that day. And, like, around Jody's disappearance, they got a warrant to look into that, and they sealed that warrant. So we can't tell what was the information that they had that convinced a judge that they had enough information to go get that GPS information.
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Meredith Steadman
Wow.
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Kyle Tequila
And then nothing came out of it. So it's like, presumably they didn't find anything damning, but they did have something that was enough to convince a judge to approve the warrant. So that's interesting.
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Meredith Steadman
Yeah. And there's still a lot of unanswered questions about what happened to her the night before she disappeared and whether John's account of things is true or accurate if she went to his house. So I want to get into the discussion of theories with you and pick your brain a bit about what you think happened. One of the theories that we've touched on is that she had a potential stalker. And again, Jodi had mentioned she had Been followed when she was out for runs and reported this to authorities. What are your thoughts on her being stalked?
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Kyle Tequila
The stalking one is interesting. Cause, like, I totally believe she was stalked. But I don't know if there's evidence that it was always the same person or if it was the person who may have been in the parking lot that morning. Cause there was some alleged report that someone saw, like, a van in the parking lot that morning.
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Meredith Steadman
I want to just kind of make that connection. So she had alleged being followed by a white van. And then there was a witness who lived on the same street as Jody. He drove past her complex every day. And he said that morning he saw a white Ford Econoline van parked in her apartment complex facing the street. He didn't see a driver or anything. What do you make of that?
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Kyle Tequila
I think it's very possible that that van in the parking lot that morning was related to the crime. Especially I think they said that would have been around 4am which kind of fits the time period of when Jody would have been abducted.
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Meredith Steadman
The police determined that none of the other residents in the apartment complex were registered to a similar van. So it does seem like this van was potentially out of place.
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah, potentially out of place. Whether it was the same one as when she was jogging? Unsure. But it could have been. It definitely could have been.
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Meredith Steadman
So some suspect, she may have been a victim of a serial rapist. And there was a couple that were actually active in the area at the time. Tony Jackson had four victims that were similar build and description to Jody. He lived two blocks from the news station. And Thomas Corskaddin assaulted multiple women, including one at knifepoint. He did have a van similar to the one seen in the parking lot at the time of her disappearance. And allegedly he was trying to get tickets to an event Jodie was planning to attend. Do any of these names ring a bell for you?
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Kyle Tequila
We definitely looked into that. I think Tony Jackson in particular, the one thing that was kind of weird or I remember about his case, apparently he bought a car the day before she went missing. And also someone in jail that was in jail the same time that Tony Jackson was in jail for other victims, that he had stalked and raped. Someone in jail at the time with Tony, said that he told them that he had killed an anchor. Allegedly. Now, can we verify this? No. You know what I mean? It's like that's hearsay from jail. Like it was passed on. Finally got to us as like a tip is like, Tony Jackson said this. It's hard to say because Tony Jackson was interviewed and Tony Jackson said, I never met Jodie Husintrude. I only know her because of the local news. Tony Jackson was looked into and he was eventually cleared by the police. However, it's unclear why he was cleared because he didn't have an alibi for that night. He apparently stalked people and it doesn't really seem like he was really investigated deeply. So I don't know why they cleared him other than he didn't seem to have a expressly like deep connection to Jody.
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Meredith Steadman
And then this other guy, Thomas Corskaddin, allegedly had a van similar to the one seen in the parking lot. And he's just another dude that's a freaking creep and assaulted multiple women, including one at knifepoint in the neighborhood. So I think the point just being like, yeah, it's really possible that there's a lot of people that could have hurt Jodi.
- [34:12]
Kyle Tequila
Yeah. And there was also Dirk Jablonski. He was another man who apparently had a record of stalking women. And he briefly lived in the same apartment building as Jodi and he was at the golf tournament, allegedly that she had been to the day before. And someone we talked to said that they sent in a tip about him, like look into him and they didn't believe that the police had ever done it.
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Meredith Steadman
We'll be right back after a quick break. You're listening to up and Vanished Weekly.
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Payne Lindsay
So this is a really interesting one. So at 10:41am on January 18th of this year, a black 2016 Ford Fusion with North Carolina tag Juliet Lima Sierra 6635 entered the long term parking lot at the Charlotte Airport. It's believed the vehicle is registered to 32 year old Alexander Gonzalez from Mooresville, North Carolina. The following day, Alexander's brother received a text from Alexander's phone around 8:45pm Then around 10:19pm that night, the phone was pinged in Grapevine, Texas and a second ping at 11:38pm shows the phone was either off or disconnected. And from what we know, Alexander hasn't been heard from since. Alexander is of Hispanic ethnicity and has a height of 5 foot 10 inches and a weight of 175 pounds. He has shoulder length brown hair and brown eyes and he was last seen wearing brown leather boots and dark wash jeans. Alexander has a tattoo of a Japanese style mask on his forearm as well as a tattoo of a standing frog also on his forearm. He also has a scar on his forehead above his eyebrow. So listeners, if you know any information about the whereabouts of Alexander Gonzalez or please contact the Mooresville Police Department at 704-664-3311 and you can reference case number 202-500-0391.
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Meredith Steadman
Okay, now let's get back to the show. So just as we discussed, a very strong theory is that Jody could have encountered a stalker or a serial rapist or murderer. But the other leading theory is that John Van Syce may have had something to do with her disappearance. Obviously, he's been the main person of interest since the beginning. You guys also really focused on him after she went missing. He did a couple media appearances and then he moved to Arizona and that's where you guys found him. So tell me about John Van Cise and this is kind of who I think is your main person of interest.
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Kyle Tequila
This is where we spent a lot of the time of our investigation on Jodi Husntreat's case because there was so much weird about John Van Cise as a person of interest. And I think there's a reason why he still to this day hasn't been cleared by the police publicly. His alibi is that his friend Ladonna, she called him at like 6am to work out or go on a walk with her. She called him and he was really groggy and so she was like, he was definitely asleep. And he was like, no, no, let's, yeah, let's work out. And that they worked out most days together. Again, like, don't know how you can verify that, but they went on a walk together and he didn't say anything about Jodi except for in our interview with her, she said that she was like, john, you look like hell this morning. And John was like, oh, well, I mean, all I did last night is Jodi came over and we watched the videotape of the party and we had a Good time. Okay. Kind of a weird alibi. The alibi is that not at the time she really went missing, but before the cops found out she was gone. At least not at the time I think she went missing because I think she went missing somewhere around 4am that even leaves 5am open, you know, but at 6am ish. He had a friend call him and then they went on a walk and he didn't seem to know anything about it. That's like the alibi. However, we also talked to another man that said that they would have been together around the same time that this walk would have been taking place and that they actually met up every morning. And honestly, that was the man I believed. Like, we don't. We can't say his name, he was anonymous. But I don't think that this woman Ladonna was telling the truth. I don't think that they worked out every day together. I don't really know why she would say that. However, I think the, the most likely thing is if they did go on a walk, I actually think there's a possibility that John called Ladonna to work out or go on a walk that morning, not the other way around. And somehow he got her to eventually say that she called first by saying maybe that people would think it was suspicious or like, could she help him out? Like it would help cause he's innocent and yada yada. However, like, if they did go on that walk that morning, it still is 6:30, 6:45 or something that she claims they finally met up. And to me, that doesn't really seem like an alibi. Right. That seems hours before. It's before the police got to the crime scene because I think the police didn't get there until closer to 7:38. I think they were called at like 7:30 in the morning after the morning news shift had ended. But still, like, I don't know why we're assuming that Jody went missing at seven.
- [42:52]
Meredith Steadman
Right. That's what I, you know, we keep saying alibi, but it's pretty clear she went missing sometime around 4am she's late for work, so she's going to be rushing to work. If she had left that area around 4:00am, she would have been at work by 6:00am so she didn't. So he needs an alibi for 4:00am yes.
- [43:14]
Kyle Tequila
And I guess the only alibi you can have is sleep. And that's fair enough. However, here's the real thing that sticks with me. Amy Kuhns, who I mentioned a bunch of times, was the Assistant producer at the Mason City TV station. And she says that that morning, John Van Cise called to ask if Jody was there and can I talk to her that morning? Like, early in the morning. I mean, this. That had to be around the same time, supposedly, that he was on this walk with Ladonna. And I believe Amy Kunes. I really do. She was the one that talked to Jodi that morning. Firstly, no reason to lie. Seemed really upset about it and very intense about Jody's case. She's the last person that we know talked to her. And she says that John Van Cise called sometime after that to ask if Jodi was there and can I talk to her? And then Amy Kuhn said she didn't show up for work this morning. And then he said, well, is she sick? Like, was really kind of insistent about, like, why can't I talk to her? Where is she? And Amy said she thought it was suspicious and she told the police, and she said that she didn't even know if it made it into the official police report.
- [44:28]
Meredith Steadman
How would he know she was missing?
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Kyle Tequila
Exactly.
- [44:31]
Meredith Steadman
Like, why and how? I guess in theory, he could have.
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Kyle Tequila
Well, the thing is that I think Amy was saying that he called asking, like, oh, can I speak to Jodi? Not that he knew that she was missing, but Amy said he never called before, to her knowledge, just to talk to Jody that early in the morning before her news coverage. To me, it sounds like an out, like you're trying to make an alibi. Like, oh, how would I have known she was missing? I tried to talk to her. Right.
- [44:57]
Meredith Steadman
A very obvious person of interest.
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Kyle Tequila
Yeah. And I know, like, obviously you do a lot of, like, wrongful conviction work. And I know there's, like, people zero in on suspects that seem really likely. It happened with Tara Grinstead's case and her boyfriend, too. And I'm sure it caused him a lot of heartache. So I do think it's it. You gotta be sure about these things. However, the stuff that happened with John Van Cuys is really, really, really weird.
- [45:22]
Meredith Steadman
When you guys recorded the up and Vanish TV show, Payne tried to reach out to John Van Cuys to sit down with him and get his take on what he believed happened to Jody. John ignored the outreach, so Payne and the team flew to Arizona and actually approached John at his house. I want to play a part of their interaction and get your take on it.
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Maggie Freeling
He's in the backyard.
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Kyle Tequila
There he is, right there. Pain.
- [45:47]
Meredith Steadman
So when Payne shows up at John's house, they spot him in the backyard. Pains on the sidewalk, public property. And he calls over the gate at John to try and get his attention.
- [45:58]
Kyle Tequila
Stay up of nothing. Do not bother us. I'm asking you.
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Maggie Freeling
Okay. Can I ask you a question before I leave?
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Kyle Tequila
Sure you can.
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Maggie Freeling
Why does he not want to talk?
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Kyle Tequila
Because he's.
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Maggie Freeling
His friend's been helping, something he didn't.
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Kyle Tequila
Do for 20 years. That's why he told you he does not want to talk to you. Very simple. Okay. And if you think that a man doesn't want to talk to you, that makes him guilty.
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Maggie Freeling
I didn't say that.
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Kyle Tequila
Whatever your ideas are.
- [46:25]
Maggie Freeling
If you were me, though, and you talked to his good friend, who's defending him, who is crying about this, who's really upset, and she encourages me to go talk to him.
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Kyle Tequila
I know who it is.
- [46:34]
Maggie Freeling
What am I supposed to do and.
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Kyle Tequila
Ask you to talk to him? Okay.
- [46:37]
Maggie Freeling
How do you know that? Because you talked to La Donna.
- [46:39]
Kyle Tequila
I. I know. I found out. Okay? But here's the point. The point is this. This man has been hounded for 20 years. 20 years on supposition, on. On innuendo, and he's done. The truth will eventually come out, Period. Quote me.
- [46:59]
Maggie Freeling
How will it come out if. If no one's talking anymore, you'll find out. How? Is there evidence that I don't know about? I'm just trying to help John. I really am.
- [47:06]
Meredith Steadman
John refuses to talk with Payne and starts yelling and cursing at him as Payne gets back in the car.
- [47:13]
Maggie Freeling
You said she'd come back. She never did. I'll never understand, John. I'll never understand.
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Meredith Steadman
What are your thoughts on this whole scene?
- [47:25]
Kyle Tequila
Well, confronting someone involved in any case is a bold move and will yield varying results. And I think that there are very logical reasons that John wouldn't want to talk after years of this case being in the limelight. You know, we talked previously about how wrongful convictions happen. Sometimes the cops can zero in on the wrong person, so that's always a possibility. I know I said it is weird that he left so quickly from Mason City. However, maybe he did just lose everything and the tension was too much, and people were zeroing in on him too much, and it just caused him to need to leave. I can see how these things could be true. At the same time, I do think there are a lot of pretty reputable people in Mason City that seem to have strange stories of things John did or said after Jodi went missing. And, of course, he's the last person, by his own admission, to maybe have seen her alive. So I think there's good reason to want those questions to be cleared up. What's interesting about this interaction, though, is that after Payne went to John Van Cise's place, John Van Cise, I believe, like, days later, reached out to a journalist himself and made a final statement to the media. He basically had this guy named Steve Ridge write up this piece, being like, this is my final note to the media, like, leave me alone. I have nothing to do with this. I hope Jodie's found. So that's pretty interesting. You can check that out.
- [49:00]
Meredith Steadman
What do you think his motive would have been?
- [49:03]
Kyle Tequila
Well, she did tell someone that she had rejected his ultimate romantic advances, that I think that he wanted them to be together and that she had said, I just want to be friends. And that had happened very shortly before this. There's something to all of the theories here, and that's what makes this case so puzzling, truly.
- [49:22]
Meredith Steadman
Yeah. So I have a theory that I think is pretty good too. So there is this drug theory, and I think it's linked to Billy Pruin. So Billy Pruin was a friend of Jody's and he died shortly before she disappeared. And from what I understand, his mom went to his house to look for him back in 1995, and when she found him, he was dead from a gunshot wound and she found a revolver on the ground a few feet away. Initially they said it was suicide, but they never found any gunshot residue or anything on his hands. So it is now undetermined, his death. And the other interesting thing is, is if it was a suicide, he's left handed, he doesn't have a thumb on his left hand. So how would he have held the gun?
- [50:12]
Kyle Tequila
Oh, my gosh.
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Meredith Steadman
So, you know, to me, this seems like a pretty clear homicide, not suicide. So the question is, why would someone kill Billy Pruin?
- [50:24]
Kyle Tequila
Billy was looking into, like a meth problem in the Mason City area. And originally his death was ruled a suicide. And then they rolled that back and said undetermined. So they didn't quite say homicide. But I do think rolling back on a suicide determination is a little strange. He was looking into this, and there was a theory that Jody was looking into Billy Pruin's death because she's a journalist and was interested in covering these, like, hard hitting stories, actually. And so she was looking into it, and there was a theory that basically she might have gotten too far into it and had discovered some of these names. And there's a theory that a couple of those people came after her and kind of disappeared her because she was getting Too close to this drug linchpin operation in the area. Yeah.
- [51:18]
Meredith Steadman
So I think the name that you guys talked about was Dustin Honkin. So he was a person of interest. He was a meth kingpin in the area. He was a person of interest in five disappearances around 1993. And he was actually charged with those five murders in 2001 when they found the bodies. So I think, you know, to me, this seems like a really good theory. A journalist friend is what I would consider murdered, and she starts looking into it. At least she thinks it's suspicious and she's looking into it. And maybe she was getting close. Maybe they were like, we can't have her looking into what's going on here. And they got her too, looking into that. Where do you lean?
- [52:02]
Kyle Tequila
I mean, I think it's something that couldn't be entirely ruled out. You know, when we looked into it, I guess I wondered, like, all right, back in the day, there probably would have been a lot of, like, handwritten notes. Like, if she was looking into this, I feel like we would have found a paper trail. But I wonder maybe that was there. And if that was the case, I think I would feel more strongly about the Billy Pruin option, about her looking into, like, some drug lords and getting too close. I'd actually love to see if there's anything like a paper trail that exists for that option.
- [52:34]
Meredith Steadman
I don't think they ruled out Dustin Hawkins. So, like, that's something they could potentially still be looking into. As with John Van Cise, I think.
- [52:42]
Kyle Tequila
That'S where this case is left. It's like they never could rule out John Van Cise. They never could rule out this meth drug lord, Dustin Honkin. They did eventually rule out Tony Jackson, but actually it's kind of not exactly clear why. So that is why it is hard for me to be like, oh, which way do I lean? I just remember how really bizarre the alibi was from John Van Cise and how many people brought him up when we were there. Now that, you know, as you well know, like, people do love the local favorite theory. So there is that. There is that element, but it is just kind of. It was overwhelming when we were there in Mason City. It kind of felt like the John Van Cise energy was overwhelming. And some of the people we talked to brought up alternative theories, but, yeah, Dirk Jablonski being another one of them. I do remember that one. He was like, stalked women and lived in her building and never really amounted to any noticeable investigation.
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Payne Lindsay
Hey it's John from the up and Vanish team. If you're enjoying this episode then you should check out the Tenderfoot original series Culpable. Now, fair warning, I helped produce the series so I may be a little biased, but hear me out. In 2018 my good friend Dennis Cooper came across the case of 21 year old Christian Andreacchio who died under mysterious circumstances in his Meridian, Mississippi apartment after a 45 minute investigation. His death was ruled a suicide despite evidence of potential foul play. Then we investigated the shocking death of Brittany Stikes, a 22 year old pregnant mother who was gunned down on a busy highway in rural Brown County, Ohio. Even after a decade long investigation, her killer is still at large. The common thread in each of these cases is the looming question of culpability. Where does the blame lie in each of the victims deaths? Listen to all episodes of Culpable seasons one and two wherever you get your podcasts or binge ad free exclusively on Tenderfoot. Now back to the show.
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Meredith Steadman
If you had all the resources in the world, what would be the first thing you did with this case?
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Kyle Tequila
I think I'd want to see what was in that sealed warrant that the judge approved to see the GPS information related to John Van Cise's car. I'd want to see all the interviews and I'd want to know like did they put Amy Kuhn's statement in there about John Van Cuys calling that morning? Maybe it would help me rule him out more too. But those things are just kind of behind closed doors, so now you're only getting people talking about them, talking about how they had reported it to the police back then. The problem with this case is I think Mason City, Iowa, has had, like, four sheriffs or police department heads, like, since this case happened, maybe five. And so, like, with all that turnover, who's really keeping track of the details?
- [56:48]
Meredith Steadman
Mm.
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Kyle Tequila
I think that they weren't prepared for a case of this magnitude. They thought she was gonna turn up. Then too much time passed, and too many hands passed over the case, and now everyone's like, what are we gonna do about it? Everyone's scattered. Some people aren't even alive anymore.
- [57:03]
Meredith Steadman
That's what gets so frustrating in these cases. The facts after so long just get jumbled.
- [57:08]
Kyle Tequila
So much hearsay, and it does really jumble it. And you're even like, well, in the police files, is that even the correct thing? Is that even all that was said? Because we heard a lot of people doubting that police got the right accounts down. So I don't know. It's all very hard to do. And as someone said, actually in the up and vanished episode about this, it's really hard to solve a case without a body, and I think that's super true, because if there was a location, if anything else was found, it would be easier to know who to link that to. But, yeah, it's just such a question mark.
- [57:41]
Meredith Steadman
It is. Meredith, thank you so much for talking with me about this case.
- [57:45]
Kyle Tequila
I.
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Meredith Steadman
There's so much that I learned just from speaking with you and the deep dive that you guys did. I really appreciate it.
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Kyle Tequila
Oh, thanks, Maggie. I mean, you're the queen of deep dives, so I appreciate that. That's a lot coming from you.
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Meredith Steadman
So if people want to find out more about what you're working on, where should they go?
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Kyle Tequila
I mean, I work across a lot of the true crime shows at Tenderfoot, so usually you can, like, at least hear my voice doing the disclaimer, but I'm in the background on a few true crime shows that will be coming out in the next year, I'd say. And then more regularly, I also work on our horror shows Radio Rental and Rattled and Shook, which is the one that I co host. So, yeah, if you like horror and true horror, you could check out those. And if not, I'll be doing more true crime, so I'll be around.
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Meredith Steadman
When I decided to cover Jodi's case, I also reached out to Payne to catch up with him and get his thoughts on her investigation. Here's what he had to say.
- [58:44]
Maggie Freeling
It's just a bizarre mystery to me. I feel like it's a case that should have already been solved by now, and it's worth revisiting in hopes to maybe help do that. It just seems odd that it hasn't been solved yet. And so for my curious brain, it just makes me wonder, is it something that the police missed early on? You know, had they always had their suspicions, but there's just not enough physical evidence to actually bring charges and put someone behind bars? My biggest bone to pick with law enforcement when it comes to unsolved missing persons cases that are decades old is just plain and simple. If it's been 20 plus years, clearly whatever methods you're using, whatever leads you've had, whatever you've been doing isn't working right. And so I think it's just common sense to try something different. And, you know, there's always a fear with law enforcement where maybe there's this one piece of evidence that only the killer could know, and you don't want to put that out there, but you could do that for 100 years and it never means anything. At a certain point, I think you have to take the risk of releasing that because you don't know what that might do. Maybe that piece of information that only the killer would know, somebody else knows too, and then you find the killer. I think that all these years later, if we're here still talking about it, we got to try something new here. And if you're withholding information, if you got, you know, the keys to the castle, give them up or tell us that you don't have anything.
- [60:50]
Meredith Steadman
If Amy Coons had known that the 4am call to Jody would be the last time anyone would speak to her before she vanished, I have no doubt she would have ran from the station. A few years ago, Amy sat down with a local Iowa news station to discuss Jody's disappearance, which is still weighing on her.
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Maggie Freeling
It changed who I am. It has shaped who I have become.
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Kyle Tequila
For many, many years, I was just.
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Maggie Freeling
Really, really afraid of life.
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Meredith Steadman
It's been decades since Jody aired her final segment at kimt. In all these years, authorities have been unable to uncover what really happened to her. But those close to Jodi, including Amy, continue to be vocal about where they stand on it all.
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Kyle Tequila
My gut says it was somebody she knew.
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Maggie Freeling
And I think the person thought, if I can't have her, nobody will.
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Meredith Steadman
What I believe is that there's too many people in this woman's world that could have done this to her and that is terrifying. Any one of these people we presented could have found a moment to take advantage of a young woman in a vulnerable situation. And now Jody has been gone for almost 30 years. Jody's mom has since passed away and she never got the closure of knowing what happened to her daughter. But others close to Jodi, like Amy, are keeping her story alive until the truth about what happened in the early morning hours of June 27, 1995 comes out.
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Maggie Freeling
I want to tell Jody's story, which is my story.
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Kyle Tequila
If I can find a purpose behind all of this and help, even if.
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Maggie Freeling
I just help one person, mission accomplished.
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Meredith Steadman
Jodi Husentrut is described as being 5'three 110-120lbs, with brown eyes and blonde hair. She has no known identifying marks. She would now be 56 years old. If you have any information about Jody Husentrut's disappearance, call the Find Jody tip line at 641-999-1109 or email teamindjodi.com or submit an anonymous tip at findjoni.com or contact the Mason City Police Department at 641-421-3636. Y'all, thank you so much for listening to this week's episode of up and Vanished Weekly. Be sure to tune in next Friday as we dig into another new case. Until next.
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Maggie Freeling
Up and Vanish Weekly is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. Your hosts are Maggie Freeling and myself, Payne Lindsay. The show is written by Maggie Freeling, myself and John Street. Executive producers are Donald Albright and myself. Lead producer is John Street. Additional production by Meredith Steadman and Mike Rooney. Research for the series by Jamie Albright, Celicia Stanton and Carolyn Tallmadge. Edit and mix by Dylan Harrington and Sean Nurney. Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan. Artwork by Byron McCoy. Original music by Makeup and Vanity set. Special thanks to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at uta, Beck Media and Marketing and the Nord Group. For more podcasts like up and Vanish Weekly, search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app or visit us@Tenderfoot TV. Thanks for listening. Introducing Invisible Choir, a true crime podcast that explores the most heinous murders through investigative storytelling, Primary source audio and exclusive interviews. She had turned to like, get away from him.
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Kyle Tequila
He walked to his car, he pulled.
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Maggie Freeling
Out the sword and then he followed her. They found chunks of her hair in the grass. We'll take you on an unforgettable emotional journey to the crime scenes themselves as we explore the individual and community impact behind some truly horrendous and often preventable crimes.
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Kyle Tequila
And I went into trying to convince myself that she stayed with a girlfriend and maybe her phone was dead, she couldn't charge it, or she didn't have service. I don't know. Just trying to convince myself that she would be okay.
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Maggie Freeling
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Payne Lindsay
Believe me, if I started murdering people.
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Kyle Tequila
There'D be none of you left. True Crime has always captivated us.
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Meredith Steadman
But what if there's more to these.
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Kyle Tequila
Stories than what we're told? The headlines, the verdicts, the familiar narratives. What if that's just the beginning? I created Truer Crime to dig deeper, to uncover the stories that go beyond the surface. We're diving into mysteries you think you know. The Manson murders, Jonestown, the assassination of Dr. King, and the ones you've never heard.
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Meredith Steadman
They would have thought he was the.
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Kyle Tequila
Sweetest thing in the world because he portrayed that. He portrayed the happy family.
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Maggie Freeling
He haunts me. He's with me every day. We were robbed, all of us.
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Meredith Steadman
If it takes me 20 years and.
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Maggie Freeling
I can live that long, I'll be.
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Meredith Steadman
Working on this case.
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Kyle Tequila
We're not just telling stories. Were uncovering hidden truths. Truer Crime is available now.
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Meredith Steadman
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