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Steve Inskeep
What does a change at the top mean for the FBI Director?
A Martinez
Christopher Wray is resigning. President Elect Trump appointed him in 2017, but now he wants a nominee who promised retribution for Trump's critics.
Steve Inskeep
I'm Steve Inskeep with a Martinez, and this is up first from NPR News. Shooting an insurance executive in the back produced a disturbing response, and that includes real life conversations about health care. So our correspondent pursues a question. Why do we spend so much on health care for a life expectancy that is comparatively low?
A Martinez
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Steve Inskeep
The FBI director will respond to the president elect who wants to replace him.
A Martinez
President Elect Trump appointed Christopher Wray during his first term back in 2017, but now Trump wants to nominate a loyalist, Cash Patel, and made it clear he wants Wray to go. The director says he will step down at the end of the Biden administration next month and three years before the end of his term.
Steve Inskeep
NPR justice correspondent Ryan Lucas is covering this story and he's come by our studios very early this morning. Ryan, good to see you.
Ryan Lucas
Good morning.
Steve Inskeep
So how did Wray explain his decision?
Ryan Lucas
Well Wray made this announcement in a town hall that he had yesterday with FBI employees. And what he said is that he's given this a lot of thought. And he came to the conclusion that stepping down in January with the change in administration is the right thing to do for the FBI. He said this is the best way to avoid, as he put it, dragging the bureau deeper into the fray. He also said this.
A Martinez
This is not easy for me. I love this place. I love our mission and I love our people. But my focus is and always has been on us and on doing what's right for the FBI.
Ryan Lucas
Now, Ray said the FBI's work is critical. That won't change. And he also said that the FBI's commitment to independence, to objectivity, and its defense of the rule of law, he says that those things must not change.
Steve Inskeep
Which, of course, Trump's critics fear. That's exactly what Trump wants to change with this new appointee. What has Trump said about Wray's decision?
Ryan Lucas
Well, Trump was quite happy with it. He called it a great day for America and said that Wray's departure means an end to what Trump says is the weaponization of the justice system. Now, Trump, of course, is the guy who made Chris Wray FBI director after he fired James Comey in 2017. Wray came on, tried to steady the FBI at what was a very tumultuous time.
Steve Inskeep
Yeah.
Ryan Lucas
Now, this job, of course, comes with a 10 year term, something that in theory, is supposed to insulate it from partisan politics. Wray certainly defended the Bureau's independence. He tried to keep it out of the political fights on Capitol Hill. But that was almost impossible to do with a sort of politically charged investigations that the FBI has been involved in over the past several years. And I'm thinking here of the Russia investigation, the investigation into the January 6th attack on the US Capitol, the investigation into President Biden's son Hunter. And then of course, there are the investigations into Trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, as well as his handling of mishandling of classified documents. Trump was and remains, as we noted at the top, a fierce critic of Ray and the FBI. But I have to say he's not alone. Republicans on Capitol Hill have also soured on Wray over the seven years that he's led the FBI. Some of that relates to Trump, and some of it is because of separate issues.
Steve Inskeep
Got it. Okay, so now the confirmation fight is over Cash Patel, the nominee to replace Ray. What are his prospects?
Ryan Lucas
Well, look, Patel is a polarizing figure. He's A close ally of Trump, he worked at the Justice Department, then on Capitol Hill and held several positions in the first Trump administration. He is seen as a loyalist. He's talked a lot in public about dismantling the deep state, going after Trump's perceived political enemies. That includes in the FBI, the Justice Department, elsewhere in the government, but also in the media, something, of course, that Democrats are concerned about. Like Trump, Patel claims that the justice system has been weaponized against Trump and conservatives more broadly. A lot of Republicans agree. They are frustrated with the FBI. They think it needs a shakeup, and they see Patel as someone who wants to do that. So at this point, at least, Patel doesn't appear to be generating the sort of blowback that some of Trump's other picks have. But we're still more than a month away from Trump's inauguration, so we're gonna have to see how this all plays out.
Steve Inskeep
NPR's Ryan Lucas will be covering it. Whatever happens, good to see you.
Ryan Lucas
Thanks, Steve.
A Martinez
At first, the targeted killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson triggered a flood of posts about America's health insurance industry.
Steve Inskeep
Yeah, even disturbing celebrations. Now, since suspect Luigi Mangione's arrest, some attention has turned to a handwritten note that police say they found on him. According to the ap, which obtained a copy, the note talked about the disconnect between the expensive healthcare system and low life expectancy in the United States.
A Martinez
And that is something NPR Selena Simmons Duffin has reported on a lot, so she's here to tell us more about it. Selena, how long are Americans expected to live for?
Selena Simmons Duffin
Well, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's latest calculations put America's life expectancy at 77 and a half years. And that's quite low compared to the life expectancy for countries like Canada and Japan and Australia. The average for high income countries is 80 years. So at 77 and a half years, American life expectancy is on par with countries like Ecuador and Croatia.
A Martinez
Okay, so what more does that figure tell us, though?
Selena Simmons Duffin
Well, life expectancy isn't just do elderly people live to 77 or 80, just a few years difference. It really captures people dying at all stages of life. And in the US There are a few things that researchers say pull our life expectancy numbers down. All of the problems everybody knows about about how expensive and fragmented and frustrating our health care system is, that contributes, but it is not the whole story. Here is Dr. Stephen Wolf of Virginia Commonwealth University, who's written a lot on this topic.
Dr. Stephen Wolf
Research shows that about 10 to 20% of health outcomes are attributable to healthcare. So the majority of the reason for poor life expectancy in the United States exists outside of the healthcare space, outside.
A Martinez
Of the healthcare space. So, you know, what are those factors?
Selena Simmons Duffin
Well, there's everything from poor diet and physical inactivity to child poverty to traffic fatalities. It would be nice if there was just one simple answer, but the truth is, it's really complicated. Wolff worked on a landmark report about 10 years ago on this. It's 400 pages long. It's called Shorter Lives, Poorer Health. He says public policies also play a role. For example, lax regulation of industries and products can lead to health problems.
Dr. Stephen Wolf
We see it in the food industry. We see it in the firearm industry. The opioid epidemic began with the licensing of OxyContin, a drug that other countries throughout Europe and elsewhere would not approve.
Selena Simmons Duffin
Drug overdoses account for many deaths of young people, people in their prime. And that is one thing that drives US Life expectancy down compared to countries that don't have an opioid epidemic.
A Martinez
But I heard Dr. Wolf mention the firearm industry. So what role does gun violence play?
Selena Simmons Duffin
Well, gun deaths in people in their youth and midlife is another big reason why the US has lower life expectancy. Guns have been the leading cause of death for Americans under age 17 for several years now. One expert I've spoken with estimates that two years of the difference between the US and other countries could be attributed to the ready availability of guns here. So there is an irony to this. The victim in this case, the case that sparked this conversation, United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was only 50 years old when he was fatally shot.
A Martinez
That's NPR's health policy correspondent, Selena Simmons. Thank you very much.
Selena Simmons Duffin
You're welcome.
A Martinez
The next chair of the Democratic National Committee will have their work cut out for them.
Steve Inskeep
Yeah. The party lost control of the White House and the Senate and failed to retake control of the House of Representatives. They're also out of power in most states. Over the next two days, top DNC members will meet in Washington to discuss rules for picking new leadership and reflect on 2024.
A Martinez
NPR Stephen Fowler has been talking with Democrats across the country about last month's election results and also about what might come next. So, Stephen, the future of the Democratic Party is probably not going to be solved in the next few months, but its leader will be. What's that process going to look like?
Stephen Fowler
So today the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meets. It's going to be very mundane. They're working through logistical things like how many signatures you need to be nominated for these positions, key deadlines and other procedural stuff. There's also going to be four forums for leadership candidates in January ahead of the vote, both virtually and in person for people to make their pitch ahead of the vote February 1st. It's important to note a that those with the say here are not everyday Democrats, but rather about 450 Democratic lawmakers, elected committee members, activists and state party chairs like the head of the Mississippi Democrats, State Representative Sheck Taylor, he told me this week. It's also important to note that Democrats aren't in the White House or in control of either chamber of Congress.
Ryan Lucas
Then that means that the next DNC.
Steve Inskeep
Chairman will be able to rule this party Car Blanc, which is actually pretty exciting if you choose the right person.
A Martinez
So with that kind of power though, I mean, what do these Democrats want from their next party chair?
Stephen Fowler
The last few election cycles have seen the national party fade in relevance and strategy campaigns and super PACs have taken the lead in highly specific and very expensive battleground races. But Taylor's one of several Dems that I've spoken with who say that there's growing recognition that the DNC has to invest more into things like year round organizing and candidate recruitment and fundraising and to help state parties, especially in Republican controlled states, with those efforts too. That's an area that Shasti Conrad, chair of the Washington State Democrats, says she wants to focus on as she runs for a vice chair position.
Selena Simmons Duffin
You have got to move the money out of the Beltway. It cannot just stay in the same sort of consultant class that have been getting it wrong over and over and over again.
Stephen Fowler
There's also a feeling among a lot of party leaders I've spoken with that the next DNC chair needs to be someone with experience leading that type of always on campaigning style. So it is no surprise that two of the leading candidates are current state party chairs as well. That's Ken Martin of Minnesota and Ben Wickler of Wisconsin.
A Martinez
Stephen I mean right after the election there was a lot of finger pointing about what went wrong and what could be changed. So it's been a month. How are Democrats feeling now?
Stephen Fowler
Depends on who you ask. Electing a new head of the party is not going to magically solve the political issues laid bare in November's election. But a look under the hood shows that 2024 did not create a mandate for Republicans or sound a death knell for Democrats. I mean, control of the White House, the Senate and the House of Representatives came down to a very, very small number of votes spread across a very few number of districts and areas. Also, a Donald Trump is Donald Trump. Democrats already have nearly a decade's worth of a playbook they feel they can use to win back more voters, both Democrats that stayed home and those that might have voted for a Republican this time.
A Martinez
That's NPR's Stephen Fowler in Atlanta. Steven, good to talk to you again.
Stephen Fowler
Thank you.
A Martinez
And that's up first for Thursday, December 12th. I'm a Martinez.
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NPR's Up First: Detailed Summary for December 12, 2024
NPR's Up First delivers the essential news to kickstart your day. In this episode, hosts Steve Inskeep and A Martinez delve into three major stories: the resignation of FBI Director Christopher Wray, an analysis of the United States' life expectancy in relation to healthcare spending, and the Democratic National Committee's (DNC) search for new leadership following recent electoral setbacks.
Background and Resignation: FBI Director Christopher Wray, appointed by President Donald Trump in 2017, has announced his resignation effective at the end of the Biden administration next month, three years before his term concludes (00:06). President Elect Trump expressed satisfaction with this decision, viewing it as a move to end what he perceives as the "weaponization of the justice system" (03:36).
Wray's Statement: In a town hall meeting with FBI employees, Wray stated, “This is not easy for me. I love this place. I love our mission and I love our people. But my focus is and always has been on us and on doing what's right for the FBI” (03:01). He emphasized the importance of the FBI’s independence, objectivity, and commitment to the rule of law, asserting that these principles must remain unchanged despite his departure (03:29).
Trump's Reaction and Nominee Cash Patel: President Elect Trump has nominated Cash Patel, a close ally and loyalist, to replace Wray. Patel is known for his strong support of Trump and has advocated for dismantling what he terms the "deep state" and targeting Trump’s critics within the FBI and other government sectors (04:55). Despite concerns over politicization, Patel has not yet faced significant opposition, though the confirmation process remains more than a month away (04:48).
Wray's Tenure and Challenges: Wray’s decade-long leadership of the FBI has been marked by high-profile investigations, including the Russia probe, the January 6th Capitol attack, and inquiries into Hunter Biden and Donald Trump’s actions post-2020 election (03:55). His efforts to maintain the bureau's independence have been increasingly challenged by political pressures, particularly from Republicans dissatisfied with the FBI's involvement in politically charged cases (03:55).
Triggering Event: The targeted killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson at the age of 50 has sparked a broader conversation about the disparity between the United States' high healthcare spending and its relatively low life expectancy (05:54).
Life Expectancy Analysis: Selena Simmons Duffin reports that the CDC's latest data places America's life expectancy at 77.5 years, significantly lower than the 80 years average for high-income countries. This positions the U.S. alongside nations like Ecuador and Croatia in terms of longevity (06:28).
Contributing Factors Beyond Healthcare: Dr. Stephen Wolf of Virginia Commonwealth University highlights that only 10-20% of health outcomes are directly attributable to healthcare (07:25). The remaining 80-90% are influenced by factors outside the healthcare system, such as:
Public Policy and Industry Regulation: Wolf underscores the impact of lax regulation in industries like food and firearms. He points to the opioid epidemic's origins with the approval of OxyContin in the U.S., a drug not sanctioned in many other countries (08:11). Additionally, gun deaths, particularly among individuals under 17, significantly contribute to the lower life expectancy, with estimates attributing two years of the discrepancy to gun-related fatalities (08:36).
Irony in the Targeted Killing: The assassination of Brian Thompson at 50 years old poignantly illustrates the broader issues at play, linking the high cost of healthcare to premature deaths within the U.S. workforce (09:16).
Context of Electoral Losses: The Democratic Party has faced significant losses, losing control of the White House, the Senate, the House of Representatives, and key state governorships. In response, the DNC is convening in Washington to discuss new leadership and strategies for future elections (09:34).
Leadership Selection Process: Stephen Fowler explains that the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee is handling administrative details such as nomination signatures and deadlines. Upcoming forums in January will allow leadership candidates to present their visions ahead of the February 1st vote. The decision-making body comprises approximately 450 Democratic lawmakers, committee members, activists, and state party chairs (10:04).
Desired Traits for the New Chair: Party leaders emphasize the need for the next DNC chair to focus on:
Leading candidates include current state party chairs like Ken Martin of Minnesota and Ben Wickler of Wisconsin, who possess experience in continuous campaigning and organizational leadership (12:12).
Reflections on Election Results: Fowler notes that the 2024 elections did not provide a decisive mandate for either party. The narrow margins of victory across several races indicate that both Democrats and Republicans have opportunities to mobilize and expand their voter base. Democrats aim to leverage their existing playbook to engage voters who either remained uninvolved or switched allegiance during the last election cycle (12:23).
In this episode of Up First, NPR provides a comprehensive overview of critical national issues: the impending change in FBI leadership amidst political tensions, the complex factors contributing to the United States' life expectancy challenges, and the Democratic Party's strategic efforts to rebuild and regain momentum following recent electoral defeats. These stories underscore the interplay between governance, public health, and political dynamics shaping the country's future.
Notable Quotes:
Christopher Wray: “This is not easy for me. I love this place. I love our mission and I love our people. But my focus is and always has been on us and on doing what's right for the FBI.” (03:01)
Donald Trump: “This is a great day for America. Wray's departure means an end to the weaponization of the justice system.” (03:36)
Dr. Stephen Wolf: “About 10 to 20% of health outcomes are attributable to healthcare. So the majority of the reason for poor life expectancy in the United States exists outside of the healthcare space.” (07:25)
State Representative Sheck Taylor: “There's growing recognition that the DNC has to invest more into things like year-round organizing and candidate recruitment and fundraising.” (11:05)
This summary encapsulates the key discussions and insights from NPR's Up First episode released on December 12, 2024. For those seeking a deeper understanding of these topics, listening to the full episode is recommended.