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Aisha Scoff. I'm Aisha Rascoe and this is the Sunday Story from Up First. In just a few days, billions of people from around the globe will tune into the most watched sporting event there is, the FIFA World Cup. This year, three nations will co host the tournament, Mexico, the US And Canada. And the field will be the biggest ever, expanding from 32 national teams to 48. Today on the Sunday Story, a primer on all things World cup, from the favorites and the underdogs to Shakira and to the global reach and unifying power of soccer. Stay with us.
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So it's probably not much of an exaggeration to say the world's attention is about to be on soccer or football, you know, depending on where you're from. That's because the World cup kicks off this week and since I'm a soccer novice, to say the least, I'm getting some help on this subject. I'm joined today by NPR sports correspondent Becky Sullivan and NPR's Jasmine Garst, a die hard soccer fan and host of the podcast the Last Cup. They're both covering the World cup for NPR this year. Welcome to both of you.
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Hey there Aisha.
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Hi.
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So the World cup tournament is being played in the US for the first time in over 30 years. I know a lot of people are really pumped about this and help me understand like what makes people so excited about this event and and what does it mean to each of you?
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Yeah, I mean, it's the biggest sporting event in the entire world. So, you know, just to give you a sense of the context, the super bowl, which is the biggest sporting event in the US, maybe averages something over 100 million live viewers, but the World cup final, final, Aisha, think like five times that much. So, you know, outside of the Olympics, it's basically the biggest thing. And in fact, depending on how you're calculating it, it's bigger than the Olympics. Any country with a soccer team can qualify. Theoretically, the qualification process takes years, so there's years of building up excitement for this level. And so, yeah, I mean, you've got people from Jasmine. What do you think? Like South America, Europe, Africa, Asia, all tuning in. Not to mention, of course, here in the US and the rest of North America. It's just huge.
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Yeah, it's like the super bowl of the world. And I think in order to understand how huge it is, you have to understand how enormous soccer football is in countries outside of the U.S. in many countries outside of the U.S. soccer is like the unofficial religion. It's also like a social mobility machine. I mean, the dream, you know, the version of the American dream is like, you know, you become a soccer player, you become a millionaire, you get out of poverty. I mean, soccer is so much more than soccer.
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That makes so much sense. Like, I, I, I have to say, I'm a big fan of spectacle and people coming together. But let me ask you, like, is this normal, like having three countries co hosting the tournament?
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Actually, no. This is the first time that there are three countries co hosting. But it has gotten more common over the years to have a joint bid. I think the idea is that there's more existing infrastructure in place, more stadiums that are already built that you can use. The more cities, the more countries you have co hosting the bid. So this joint bid thing is definitely has gotten more common and is going to continue to be more common in the years to come. But what we've got in this tournament is the US Co hosting alongside Mexico and Canada. So 11 cities here in the States, two cities in Canada, three cities in Mexico. So the opening game that's going to be in Mexico City this Thursday night. The US will kick off for the first time in LA the next day. Canada obviously gets to play in Toronto and in Vancouver. So, yeah, just games all across the three countries and then the final will be just outside of New York City at the NFL stadium there.
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So I'm American, I'm going to root For Team usa, what can you tell me about the players on this year's squad? And do they have a chance? Like, are they good?
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Yeah. The US Obviously is like historically a huge underdog compared to the traditional powerhouses of soccer which are in Europe and in South America. So we're talking like England, Spain, France, Argentina, Brazil. Those are sort of the traditional powerhouses. US Is absolutely not on their level. And so do they have a chance to win the World Cup? Sure they have a chance.
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Probably not. That's what it sounds. You hesitating.
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Anything is, you're like, anything is possible. Anything is possible. When you are down to the 11 guys on each team and the ball on the pitch and, and who, who can say? But it would definitely be a gigantic huge underdog story if they did pull it off. But as for the team, you know, this group of guys in this sort of World cup here on home soil has been circled on the calendar for a long time because, you know, this is sort of like the first generation of American players who grew up playing soccer in these academies, developmental things, and then, and then went overseas to play in Europe. And so our biggest stars play for some of Europe's top flight clubs. The US has players who are playing in the English Premier League, players in the top Italian league called Serie A, they have players in the top French league, et cetera, et cetera. And the key guys, you know, Christian Pulisic, he's the sort of star forward, the guy who scores the most goals. Pulisic driving through still Pulisic, he's got there and he scored. You have two midfielders, Tyler Adams and Weston McKinney, who are sort of like the heart and soul of the team. That was stunning from Tyler Adams. That really is a wonderful goal from Weston McKenna. He's back. All three of those guys are now 27. They're basically the three most important players on the team. And so they're in their prime. The World cup is on home soil. That's like why people have been looking at this team and this opportunity for many years now. I think, like, realistically, in terms of a realistic goal, you hear people talk about a quarterfinal that would match the best finish for the US in the sort of modern World cup era. They reached a quarterfinal back in 2002, so if they can do that again, I think that would be just an enormous achievement. I think anything beyond that would be gravy.
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And so, so briefly, like, who are the front runners in this year's tournament?
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Ooh, well, I think, you know, being A journalist who predicts who's going to win the World cup is a fool's errand. But I'll tell you, I think there's some really strong teams. I think Spain is super strong. It's a young, hungry team that has just been killing it in the lead up to the World Cup. They are the reigning Euro champions, and they have this super young guy, 18 years old, Lamine Yamal, who is just extraordinary. People are always comparing him to Messi and saying he's like the next big king of soccer.
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Lovely drop of the shoulder from Lamina Valley.
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He keeps his balance, he keeps his head, and he equalizes for Barcelona.
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So I would definitely be looking out for them. France always has an extraordinary team, and they play so cohesively, you know, like, you can take out one player and just put in another one, and the machine keeps working. And they have the superstar, Kylian Mbappe, the captain of the team, and he's just someone to look for beautiful soccer, you know?
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Here's Mbappe. Oh, what a finish that is from Kylian Mbappe.
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And it seems like those opportunities for beautiful soccer are growing, right? The World cup is getting bigger.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very much. Literally so. I mean, as you mentioned earlier, like, in the past, the tournament was limited to 32 teams, and now this is, for the first time, it's expanding to 48 teams, which means that we're getting some fresh faces in here. I mean, among countries that are showing up this time, there are a handful who have never played in the World cup before. That includes Uzbekistan, Curacao, Cabo Verde, and Jordan. And then there's also national teams that have played in the World cup before but don't show up very often. They haven't played in decades. And that includes Scotland and Iraq, which I know are two fan bases that are super fired up about this.
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And these are countries that soccer is, like, really part of the fabric of the culture, you know? And so to be able to make it into the cup, that's gonna be wild. The fandom is gonna be pretty wild.
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And what's up with the music this year? Because I'm seeing Shakira is involved again. I also saw some Muppets and stuff like that, but I don't know if they're singing. And, like, he has a wide range of people, but I think we all remember Shakira had that Waka Waka song from the 2010 World cup in South Africa.
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Cause this is Africa.
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That song was a colossal hit worldwide, which does make me think about the power of this particular stage. But also, like, how in the world is Shakira gonna, like, top that this time around?
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I don't know if it, if it's gonna top that, but it, it really does seem like FIFA has Shakira on speed dial. It is true. Waka Waka really resonated with people. It was a huge hit. And, you know, who knows if this new song is gonna do that? But FIFA is pulling out all. They're having a halftime show for the first time. It's the first time there will be a halftime show in a World Cup. And it has been a little bit polarizing between traditional fans who say this is like the NFLization, the Americanization of the sport and newer fans who are really excited about a halftime show. I think that it's important to note that, that the pace of soccer, the pace of football is really different from the pace of American football. And so it's like a really interesting commentary, like on how FIFA is packaging this World cup to really appeal to an American audience.
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Okay, so it sounds like this is going to be an interesting new experiment. We'll see how it plays out. When we come back, a look at some of the political forces shaping this year's World Cup. Stay with us.
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I'm talking about the World cup with NPR's Jasmine Garsd and Becky Sullivan. So the timing of this World cup is a little problematic in terms of it's happening as the Trump administration is doing this very robust crackdown on immigrants. And part of that crackdown is new scrutiny for people seeking tourist visas. So are there indications that people from abroad aren't getting their visas or are facing delays to come see the games?
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Well, this has been a issue that has been, you know, months, even years in the making at this point. You know, like we were talking about this last year when the Trump administration had to roll out sort of an expedited visa process for people who are verified World cup ticket holders. There's been a few other updates like that along the way because the Trump administration obviously has tighter policies around immigration. They have trav bans in place from a number of countries around the world, including several that are participating in the World cup, whether that is Iran, whether that's Haiti, whether that's a partial ban on travelers from countries like Senegal. All three of these are teams participating in the World Cup. And then even for countries where there aren't such restrictions on visitors, the visa wait times, the processing times at embassies and consulates around the world are months long in some cases, in some. So the Trump administration has been working with FIFA on this for verified ticket holders. There were also a lot of questions around some of the teams from some of these places. Like there was just this hiccup in the last week or two with the South African team. They had to leave an assistant coach behind initially after there were some issues securing their travel visas. That kind of thing is exactly what people were sort of expecting with this. And then, not to mention, obviously, everything about the Iran team.
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Well, zooming in on Iran. Yeah, they've got a team in the tournament. Are any Iranian fans at all allowed
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into the U.S. well, traveling from Iran, No. But obviously there's a huge Iranian diaspora in the United States, in North America, and specifically in the United States, and even more specifically in Los Angeles, which is where Iran is scheduled to play two of their group stage games. I mean, Iran was supposed to be like, have their base camp be in the United States, like the team. And obviously with everything that was going on, there were questions about whether they would even come to participate in the tournament at all after the Trump administration, working with Israel, started a conflict earlier this year in Iran. So, you know, the team is coming, they are participating in the tournament. None of that sort of worries about whether they would have to pull out. None of that came to pass. But they are instead going to be base camp in Mexico. They're going to fly into the US Just for games and leave immediately. That's definitely something that team is going to have to deal with, given that, you know, in the situation like the United States, they're based in Irvine, which is near la, so they have two of their own group stage games in la. They get to be based nearby. They don't have to have any significant travel time at all. Um, so obviously that's A setback for Iran's team, which is actually quite good and has a really good chance of making it out of the group stage if they're able to perform well. So that's definitely something to be keeping an eye on, for sure.
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For the US this is a big cultural moment where you have many diverse communities around the country who are going to be tuned into this. And this is something, Jasmine, that you've been reporting on. Talk to me about some of these communities that are really excited and why this is such a big deal for them.
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Well, you know, I think we were just talking about visas and the Trump administration's policy towards travel to the US and immigration. I think one of the big concerns that many advocates and frankly, communities have is ICE presence and ICE raids at and around the stadiums. Right. Soccer is huge in immigrant communities across the US and these are communities that have been targeted extensively in a historic way. Really, we're talking about unprecedented numbers throughout the last year or so. So this has been a big concern. DHS has said it will have presence at games in the same way that it would have presence at any international event being held in the US There have been indications that there won't be ICE raids at the events. Having said that, I think, you know, for the last year and a half or so, there's already been. This climate has been created right around immigrant communities being quite afraid to do basic things like going to school or going to work. And so that really leaves sporting events off the table for a lot of people. So I think the question of immigration and immigrants in America and what kind of access they might have to a sporting event like this is gonna be a big one for coverage for sure.
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And I feel like we can't have a conversation about the World cup without at least mentioning the organization behind it all. FIFA. FIFA has been facing huge criticism around ticket sales. They're so expensive. Like, where has that landed?
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Yeah, I mean, it hasn't landed yet. Like, still going. I mean, I think the ticket price thing is going to continue to be a story right up until every game. But yeah, I mean, FIFA, they. Look, this is an organization that is here to make money. They're here to make as much money as they can off of this event. And so what they've been doing is they're tapping into a trend that we're seeing across all sorts of things, whether that's ticket prices for the Taylor Swift eras two or whether that's ticket prices for New York Knicks, courtside seats in the NBA Finals, the World cup they are just trying to cash in as much as they can. So, yeah, the tickets have been extremely expensive, especially for sort of marquee games like those that the host countries are playing in. Like, I was with the US Men's team last week, and the players were talking about how the tickets are so expensive that they can't even afford to send, you know, all of the friends and family who have asked them if they can come to the games. They can't afford them all because the tickets are like $1,000, $1,500. And even professional soccer players are like, I don't know if I can afford a ton of these. Those big highlight games with the US Playing, like, those ones might not get too much cheaper, but for some of the more accessible group stage games, I think those will come back down to earth.
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And, you know, this has really been one of the big critiques of how FIFA has handled this. The key criticism here is that soccer is a sport that is so democratic. You know, if you have something shaped sort of like a ball, you can play a soccer game, and people do. And I think so many communities that participate are effectively being kept out of it, kept out of this game and of this cup. And I think that's one of the big critiques, right, that, like, it's all good and well to have a theme song about all of us together, but really, who can afford to be all of us together with those prices?
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Well, finally, like, what are you two most excited about in this tournament? Like. Like what. What are the. The matches that you're really looking forward to?
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I mean, I'm from Argentina originally, so I would be so excited to see the classic clash of titans. Argentina, Brazil. Argentina, England. I'm also, like, I'm just super excited about teams that in the last cup were kind of underdogs that did really well. Like, I'm excited to see Morocco play.
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Yeah, I'm excited to just see the United States get so activated for this thing. I've covered a couple Olympics now, and I think there can be a similar story where there's a lot of anxiety before the event happens. But I think when the time actually arrives and these games actually happen in these cities all across, not just the United States, but Canada and Mexico, too. I think it's going to be a really amazing thing for a lot of of our cities to experience this just, like, influx of visitors. It's going to be really thrilling. Like, I'm here in Kansas City right now. The Argentinian national team touched down here in K.C. you know, just, just the other day last week, and that's already gotten people excited. Like, I think that kind of experience, we're going to have a lot of memories made here in the United States over the next month or two. And I think that's going to be a really cool experience for a lot of people.
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Well, Becky and Jasmine, thank you for taking the time to break down this year's tournament. And now that you've laid it all out, I'm rooting for the fans, you know, I'm rooting for the people that are into it and that this would be just a great time for all,
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you know, and let yourself get swept up in it, too. Aisha, you know, I know you said, I know you said you're not a soccer fan, but just try that hat on this summer and I think you're gonna have a good time with it.
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Okay. All right. You never, you never know. That was NPR's Becky Sullivan and Jasmine Garst. Thank you so much. Really appreciate your reporting.
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You're welcome.
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Thank you.
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You can find more of NPR's coverage of the World cup at npr.org world cup this episode of the Sunday Story was produced by by Andrew Mambo. It was edited by Jenny Schmidt and Liana Simstrom. Special thanks to Jennifer Portman, Russell Lewis and Ben Rapoport. The engineer of this episode was Jimmy Keeley. The Sunday Story team also includes Justine Yan. Irene Noguchi is our executive producer. I'm Aisha Roscoe. Up first, we'll be back tomorrow with all the news you need to start your week. Until then, have a great rest the of of your weekend.
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