Iran Intelligence, Supreme Court Term Ends, Gaza Food Program

Summary

Up First from NPR – June 27, 2025

NPR's "Up First" delivers the top three news stories of the day with in-depth reporting and analysis. In this episode, hosts Steve Inskeep and A Martinez cover significant developments involving Iran, the Supreme Court's pivotal rulings, and the escalating crisis in Gaza. Additionally, a special segment features former First Lady Michelle Obama sharing personal insights on her new endeavors.

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I. U.S. Airstrikes Target Iran's Nuclear Program

Key Developments:

• Operation Details: Military officers executed a long-planned strike on Iran's nuclear facilities using the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, a 30,000-pound bunker-busting bomb designed to penetrate deep into mountainous targets. (04:37)

• Assessment of Damage: Although the Trump administration claims substantial damage, officials acknowledge that a definitive evaluation is still pending. Iran's Foreign Minister, Abbas Kargar, admitted to "serious damage" but did not confirm the complete destruction of their nuclear capabilities. (05:22)

• International Response: UN's Rafael Grossi expressed concerns about the remaining stockpile of highly enriched uranium, highlighting potential future threats despite the attacks. (05:30)

Notable Quote:

"It's probably not realistic to expect one at this point." — Greg Myre on assessing the damage from the airstrikes. (02:49)

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II. Supreme Court Concludes Term with Significant Rulings

Major Cases:

1. Birthright Citizenship:

   • The Court is set to rule on whether the President can revoke birthright citizenship through executive orders.
   • The administration contends that lower court judges overstepped by issuing nationwide injunctions against such policies. (06:14)

   Notable Quote:

   “Every baby born in the United States... is automatically an American citizen.” — Rachel Martin explaining the constitutional stance. (06:50)

2. Montgomery County, Maryland – School Curriculum:

   • This case examines parents' rights to opt their children out of certain curriculum classes on religious grounds, potentially affecting topics like LGBTQ+ characters and evolution.

3. Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) Challenge:

   • Opponents target the mandate requiring insurance companies to provide free preventive care, which currently benefits approximately 150 million people.

4. Texas Law on Age Verification for Online Content:

   • Aimed at limiting minors' access to online pornography by requiring age proof for website access.

Shadow Docket Cases:

• Additional urgent cases concerning federal layoffs, agency shutdowns, and deportations without due process are also pending. (09:26)

Notable Quote:

“They could make litigating against Trump administration policies... more difficult.” — Rachel Martin on the implications of the Supreme Court's potential rulings. (07:43)

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III. U.S. Funding and Humanitarian Efforts in Gaza Amid Chaos

Humanitarian Aid Initiative:

• The Trump administration has allocated $30 million to support the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), aimed at distributing food boxes in designated sites within Gaza. (10:04)

Challenges and Violence:

• Gaza Health officials report hundreds killed as Palestinians attempt to access GHF distribution points.
• The distribution sites are situated in military zones, leading to frequent shootings and violence. (11:30)

Looting and Clashes:

• With limited UN aid infiltration, armed clans and Hamas-related forces engage in looting, causing further instability and casualties. (12:35)

Personal Impact:

• Dr. Aden Hossein, a volunteer physician in Gaza, describes the daily horrors of treating victims near aid sites, highlighting the intense and ongoing violence. (12:07)

Notable Quote:

“It's a horror movie on repeat.” — Dr. Aden Hossein on the situation near GHF sites. (12:22)

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IV. Special Feature: Michelle Obama Reinvents Her Public Image

New Endeavors:

• Michelle Obama discusses her shift away from politics and campaigning, focusing instead on her personal life and new projects.
• She hosts a podcast titled "Wildcard with Rachel Martin," where she explores personal questions and life experiences beyond her public persona. (14:18)

Personal Reflections:

• Obama shares insights on managing personal ambition, dealing with public scrutiny, and embracing a slower pace of life to cherish meaningful moments. (19:07)

Handling Rumors:

• Addressing rumors about her personal life, Michelle emphasizes taking control of her narrative and making conscious choices about her public appearances and statements. (16:13)

Notable Quote:

“I want these last 25 summers to feel long and purposeful and mine.” — Michelle Obama on living a mindful and fulfilling life. (23:37)

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NPR's "Up First" continues to provide comprehensive coverage of the day's most pressing issues, ensuring listeners are well-informed and engaged.

Transcript

[Steve Inskeep]

Military officers planned a strike on an Iranian nuclear facility.

[Martinez]

For 15 years, they literally dreamed about this target at night when they slept. What were the results once the attack finally came?

[Steve Inskeep]

I'm Steve Inskeep with a Martinez, and this is up first from NPR News. The Supreme Court ends its term today with six rulings due, including one on birthright situation citizenship. Three lower courts have blocked the president's birthright citizenship executive order, and the court will decide whether judges have the authority to issue nationwide injunctions against such things.

[Martinez]

And the US has pledged funding for a new Israeli and US Supported aid group in Gaza. Gaza Health officials say hundreds of Palestinians have been killed as they approach the group's distribution sites for food. Stay with us. We'll give you all the news you need to start your day.

[Nina Totenberg]

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[Martinez]

Revealed a number of new details about U.S. airstrikes on Iran's nuclear program.

[Steve Inskeep]

The president's top military advisor described an operation many years in the making. And at the end of those years, he said B2 pilots put giant bombs on the target and returned safely. At the same briefing, the defense secretary attacked the media, but officials did not give much clarity on exactly how much damage the attack did to Iran's nuclear program.

[Martinez]

For more, we're joined by NPR national security correspondent Greg Myre. Greg so are we any closer at all to knowing how much damage was done to Iran's nuclear program.

[Greg Myre]

Well, we're learning more, but we still don't have a clear assessment and a. It's probably not realistic to expect one at this point. All the evidence presented by the Trump administration shows the U.S. airstrikes hit their target Sunday at three separate nuclear sites south of Iran's capital, Tehran. But President Trump just got way out ahead of everyone by immediately saying the Iranian program was completely wiped out. There just doesn't appear to be enough intelligence yet to make such a definitive statement. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, and CIA Director John Ratcliffe briefed senators on Capitol Hill Thursday. A number of senators emerged and said it's just too early to tell the full extent of the damage.

[Martinez]

And there was also that Pentagon briefing that Steve mentioned earlier, Greg, where we heard about how long the US has been tracking developments at the most important nuclear site Fordos. Tell us about the briefing.

[Unknown Military Official]

Yeah.

[Greg Myre]

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Dan Kane, said the US Detected Iran's work on the mountain in Fordo early on. So way back in 2009, the military selected a couple officers with the Pentagon's Defense Threat Reduction Agency to work on this full time.

[Martinez]

For more than 15 years, this officer and his teammate lived and breathed this single target for doe. He watched the Iranians dig it out. He watched the construction, the weather, the discard material, the geopolitics, every nook, every crater. They literally dreamed about this target at night when they slept.

[Greg Myre]

And this was extremely sensitive and secretive work. They couldn't discuss it with family or friends. They just kept grinding away all these years with all the twists and turns involving Iran's nuclear program.

[Martinez]

So what problems do they see?

[Greg Myre]

Well, they came to realize the US didn't have a weapon that could reach a target this deep inside a Mountain, perhaps 300ft down. So Kaine said they collaborated with munitions experts and the result was this 30,000 pound bunker busting bomb known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator.

[Martinez]

They tested it over and over again. They accomplished hundreds of test shots and dropped many full scale weapons against extremely realistic targets for a single purpose. Kill this target at the time and place of, of our nation's choosing.

[Greg Myre]

And that time and place came Sunday in Iran.

[Martinez]

Okay, so it seems like information is trickling in. What are we learning, though?

[Greg Myre]

Iran's Foreign Minister, Abbas Iraqchi said his country's nuclear facility suffered serious damage, but he didn't provide details. And Rafael Grossi, the head of the UN's nuclear watchdog agency, the International Atomic Energy Agency, also said he believes there was significant damage, but he doesn't think the entire nuclear program was destroyed. Now, a big, big question is the whereabouts of 900 pounds of highly enriched uranium. Did Iran hide that somewhere before the US Attacks? Well, Grossi said Iranian officials told him they did take protective measures for that uranium, which could be used for a bomb eventually.

[Martinez]

All right. That's NPR's Greg Myhre. Greg, thank you.

[Greg Myre]

Sure thing. Eh.

[Steve Inskeep]

Today is the last day of the Supreme Court term.

[Martinez]

Yeah. And the court has been releasing its rulings in many cases. Today we expect to learn their opinions on the final six, including some of the biggest ones argued this term.

[Steve Inskeep]

NPR legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg is covering this and is in our studios once again. Hi, Nina.

[Rachel Martin]

Hi there, Steve.

[Steve Inskeep]

Okay, the major case we're looking at is on birthright citizenship. It revolves on the meaning of a phrase in the Constitution, a sentence, all persons born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States. The Constitution says. What should we be looking for in the case?

[Rachel Martin]

Well, Donald Trump has issued an executive order saying that only some children born in the United States can be citizens. And it's directly opposite of what the actual text says in the Constitution. And every judge to have ruled on it has said he's wrong. It's every baby born in the United States. Is it automatically an American citizen? The Justice Department, I think knowing that it was going to lose this case on the merits, didn't ask the court to reverse those decisions. Instead, it went to court and said, please, Supreme Court, these judges have made their rulings apply nationwide and that exceeds their authority. We want you to bar these kinds of nationwide injunctions, which if the court does, that would make litigating against Trump administration policies exponentially more difficult.

[Steve Inskeep]

Given what you said, that the administration went to the Supreme Court on this narrower question. Could the justices rule anyway on the question of birthright citizenship and what it means?

[Rachel Martin]

Look, they're the Supreme Court of the United States. They can do what they want. But the question wasn't briefed or argued and it wasn't discussed in the argument at all.

[Steve Inskeep]

What are some of the other cases you're watching for?

[Rachel Martin]

There's a big case from Montgomery County, Maryland, that tests whether parents are entitled to opt their children out of classes when they object to the school district's curriculum on religious grounds. This was a case involving grade school children and books that had gay and lesbian characters. But you could imagine that it might be also about teaching Darwin's theory of evolution. So it has a lot of potential for punch and school. School officials are pretty nervous about it.

[Steve Inskeep]

There's something about Obamacare before the court.

[Unknown Military Official]

Yeah.

[Rachel Martin]

There's yet another challenge to the Affordable Care act brought by conservative groups. This time, Obamacare's opponents are targeting a measure that requires most private insurance companies to provide free preventive care without copays or deductibles to both adults and children. And There are about 150 million people who benefit from this. And it'll be gone if the court rules with the challengers. Finally, there's also a case challenging a Texas law that seeks to crack down on kids access to pornography by requiring everyone, including adults, to provide proof of age on the website before they get access.

[Steve Inskeep]

So once the court rules on these cases, are you and they done for the summer?

[Rachel Martin]

Not quite. There are several cases on the shadow docket, otherwise called the emergency docket. These are consequential cases involving layoffs of federal workers, shuttering various agencies, deporting people without due process. So they're gonna have to work over the summer, but they'll probably work from very glitzy places.

[Steve Inskeep]

Got it. Well, Nina will be listening for your coverage later in the day.

[Rachel Martin]

Thank you.

[Steve Inskeep]

NPR's Nina Totenberg.

[Martinez]

The U.S. is stepping up its support for a food program in Gaza that the United nations has described as a death trap.

[Steve Inskeep]

The Trump administration says it's allocating $30 million for. It comes at a moment when chaos is spreading in Gaza where armed groups are now looting and attacking United nations aid convoys.

[Martinez]

Here to tell us more about this is NPR international correspondent Aya Batawi in Dubai. And a warning that we will be talking about some graphic details of the violence in Gaza. So start off by just telling us about this plan and why the Trump administration is funding it.

[Aya Batrawi]

Sure. So this is a plan that began in Gaza exactly a month ago, and it's a plan that Israel devised. And it works like this. A group calling itself the Gaza Humanitarian foundation uses American contractors to distribute boxes of food in just four sites in Gaza. And these four sites are drawing thousands of hungry people every day desperate for food. Now, Gaza's Health Ministry says hundreds of them have been killed and thousands wounded trying to reach these GHF sites since they began operations. This group, ghf, insists these shootings are not happening near their sites. But here's what State Department Tommy spokesman Tommy Piggott had to say yesterday.

[Unknown Military Official]

We see the $30 million approved. So that's what the story is here moving to implement.

[Martinez]

Get those creative solutions in there to make sure that the aid being distributed is not being looted by Hamas.

[Aya Batrawi]

And he called on other countries to join in funding ghf. But this week, a dozen human rights and legal groups warn that any countries or donors backing GHF are potentially liable for complicity in war crimes.

[Martinez]

But why is it so deadly right now to get. Get food there?

[Aya Batrawi]

You know, partly it's because these GSF sites were put in military zones where Israeli troops are positioned and where Palestinians are not supposed to be. And so people are being shot in these red zones. And Israel's military says it's fired warning shots at crowds approaching troops, clearing them out. The military says it's reviewing and undergoing learning processes like building fences and expanding routes to these sites. But these daily shootings continue. I want you to have a listen to American physician Dr. Aden Hossein from Dallas. He's been volunteering in Gaza for the past two weeks. He tells me every day he's treating people shot near these GHF sites. He called it a horror movie on repeat.

[Unknown Military Official]

I can't tell you how many boys.

[Nina Totenberg]

Young boys and adults that get rushed into my resuscitation bay, bleeding out from their abdomen, bleeding out from their head. And when I'm exposing them, trying to look for their injuries, what I find is empty bags. Empty bags that they had only hoped.

[Unknown Military Official]

To fill with food just so that they could survive and for a few more days.

[Aya Batrawi]

And, you know, he sent me photos this week of boys who've lost their eyes and boys who've been paralyzed being shot by Israeli forces near these GHF sites.

[Martinez]

That's difficult to hear. Okay, so this, this plan by Israel in the US Is supposed to keep aid from reaching Hamas, but we're seeing these incidents of looting still happening in Gaza. So who's behind that?

[Aya Batrawi]

So there's hardly been a trickle of UN aid allowed into Gaza, and most of it's being looted by hungry people and armed clans. Now, Palestinians say 128 trucks were stolen by armed clans in southern Gaza in just the past two days. Now, this comes as Israel has admitted to arming groups in Gaza to undermine Hamas groups that are known for looting. But what we're seeing now is even more clans clashing with Hamas security officials who are trying to crack down on this looting and the price gouging of these stolen goods in the markets. Now, one of these clans actually raided Nasser Hospital, where Dr. Hussain and other American doctors volunteer, and opened fire inside yesterday. But we also yesterday saw Hamas security forces being targeted by an Israeli airstrike. The Gaza health ministry says 19 people were killed trying to get flour that these security forces had confiscated from the looters and were distributing to a crowd of people. Now these security forces are under the Interior Ministry, which oversees the police. Israel's military has acknowledged throughout the war targeting police in Gaza, saying they're an arm of Hamas. Hundreds have been killed, but Gaza's police say they're not part of any political or armed wing of Hamas. Ultimately, you know, this chaos and breakdown of order is happening after more than 20 months of war as Hamas is also losing its grip on the territory.

[Martinez]

That's NPR correspondent Taya Batrawi in Dubai. Thank you.

[Aya Batrawi]

Thank you.

[Steve Inskeep]

Okay, we're in the middle of the podcast that gives you the latest news, three big stories of the day. But a big part of journalism, and as we do it at NPR News, is to return to a story to come back again and again. And we're going now to hear in the next several minutes in a special part of this episode from a figure who is reinventing herself. Michelle Obama, the former first lady says she's staying away from politics and campaigning and trying to bring her civilian self into view, specifically within view of our own Rachel Martin. She's our former co host who now hosts NPR's Wildcard, where she asks guests big questions about their lives pulled from a deck of cards. And she's in our studios. Rachel, good to see you.

[Rachel Martin]

It is so good to be here.

[Steve Inskeep]

What new could be said about such a very famous person, though, right?

[Nina Totenberg]

This is a person whose life has been examined from the inside out for so many years. And now she very much wants to be in control of the narrative of her life. And that means getting to say no to things. I mean, you'll remember she did not go to President Trump's inauguration this year. She did not go to President Jimmy Carter's funeral. She's saying what she wants to say, how she wants to say it, especially on this new podcast she's got with her brother. It's called imo. She hosts it with Craig Robinson, where she wants to be. I mean, she wants to be able to be more casual. She wants to throw off all the limitations that were put on her as the first lady living in the White House.

[Steve Inskeep]

Somehow she said yes to you while saying no to the current.

[Unknown Military Official]

That's right.

[Nina Totenberg]

I feel very honored.

[Steve Inskeep]

Exactly. So what did you hear from her then?

[Nina Totenberg]

Because she did not attend that funeral, the inauguration, all this kind of public chatter, even in the press started picking up these rumors about her separated. So I did not even bring this up to her. She brought it up, Steve. She very much wants to set the record straight. She's not letting stuff like that lie anymore. And we've got some tape of that.

[Unknown Military Official]

Let's listen. Even in this phase in our lives, when Barack and I say something right or wrong, it does get covered. You know, the fact that people don't see me going out on a date with my husband sparks rumors of the end of our marriage. I mean, it's sort of. So we still, you know, so that is the apocalypse. It's the apocalypse. It's like, okay, so we don't Instagram every minute of our lives. We are 60. We're 60, y' all.

[Steve Inskeep]

Speak for yourself. Still got a little ways to go here. But anyway, let's listen to some more of this conversation. And for people who are new to Wild Card, Rachel does hold up three cards at a time. And the guest chooses a card with a question. Here we go.

[Nina Totenberg]

One, two, or three.

[Unknown Military Official]

Let's do one.

[Nina Totenberg]

Let's do one.

[Unknown Military Official]

Yeah.

[Nina Totenberg]

Has ambition ever led you astray?

[Unknown Military Official]

I don't know if my ambition has ever fully been able to actualize itself because of the nature of what.

[Aya Batrawi]

Me.

[Unknown Military Official]

And my husband have done. I mean, you know, I guess you as a team, you know, it wasn't.

[Nina Totenberg]

About your individual ambition, was it?

[Unknown Military Official]

Right. It was the team ambition. And I went along, arguably kicking and screaming. Right. And, you know, I think I'm now at a stage in my life where all my choices are mine. All my, you know, now I can say that whatever I'm doing from this point on is about my ambition, you know, and that's fairly new, Right? Because as a working mother, you know, I think all of that stuff, it kind of cut my ambitions short a little bit because I had to make a set of decisions. Okay, my husband's over here, got these kids over here. I don't know if I can afford to be ambitious right now, so I have to take a step back. Even though ambition is there, I can see where I could make more money. I could do that. But I got these little kids that I love, and I do want to go to the Halloween parade, and I want to. So I think I kind of squelched my ambition. But now is a time for me to embrace my own ambition and to define it for me. So maybe the answer is, we'll see, because I think I'm just now stepping fully stepping into my own ambition. And right now, I have not regretted it.

[Nina Totenberg]

Part of ambition in living your own life is saying yes to things you want to do. It's also saying no, I imagine, to things that you don't want to do for sure.

[Unknown Military Official]

And we experienced that. One of the major decisions I made this year, to stay put and not attend funerals and inaugurations and all the things that I'm supposed to. And that was a part of me, you know, using my ambition to say, let me define what I want to do apart from what I'm supposed to do, what the world expects of me. And I have to own that those are my choices. Whatever the backlash was, I had to sit in it and own it. But I didn't regret it, you know?

[Rachel Martin]

Yeah.

[Nina Totenberg]

Cause it's your life.

[Unknown Military Official]

It's my life now, and I can say that now. But we'll see. Maybe next year we sit down, I go, you know, Rachel, I went a little too far.

[Nina Totenberg]

I'm gonna reign it back in.

[Unknown Military Official]

It back in. Three more, three more.

[Nina Totenberg]

One, two, three.

[Unknown Military Official]

Two, two.

[Nina Totenberg]

What's a piece of advice you were smart to ignore?

[Unknown Military Official]

Oh, my gosh. You're not Princeton material.

[Nina Totenberg]

Who gave you that one?

[Unknown Military Official]

My college counselor in high school.

[Aya Batrawi]

Are you serious?

[Unknown Military Official]

I'm so serious. I've written about this. But, yeah, I was a senior at Whitney Young Magnet High School. And, you know, it's a big school magnet program. I was a great student. I was an honor student. I was the treasurer of the senior class. But when I sat down with her, the woman who was supposed to encourage me, she looked big, walked through big doors.

[Nina Totenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Military Official]

She told me, I don't think you're Princeton material.

[Nina Totenberg]

So what was your. In the moment, were you just furious?

[Unknown Military Official]

I was furious. But I was familiar with that bar lowering, right, because it happens to minority kids, poor kids, kids of color all the time. People make snap judgments based on their biases and their limitations. They don't ask questions. And it helped me because throughout my life, when I would hit those roadblock or meet those people, I was lucky enough to be the child with the temperament. That it didn't wound me. It angered me, and it made me think. I'll show you. Yeah. Oh. Oh, you don't think I can do this? I'll show you. You know, and I think I just walked away from that woman. I never talked to her again.

[Nina Totenberg]

Do you remember getting. I mean, it was probably an envelope in the mail, right? When I got envelopes in the mail.

[Unknown Military Official]

You got your acceptance letter.

[Nina Totenberg]

It wasn't an email.

[Unknown Military Official]

It wasn't an email. It wasn't the click on.

[Nina Totenberg]

Do you remember, like, looking for. I can't Remember the bigger one? That was good.

[Unknown Military Official]

Which is kind of harsh. No, it was one of the proudest moments to. I didn't have a lot of support. My parents loved me. But once we started doing things like applying to Ivy League schools, I mean, we were kind of out of their league. Right. I mean, my mom could read over my essay, but, you know, everything I did felt amazing to her. I don't know if she or my dad felt like, well, you could change this segment, or, you know, I mean, they weren't editing us, they were encouraging. It looks good.

[Nina Totenberg]

Go for it.

[Unknown Military Official]

It's great.

[Nina Totenberg]

Yeah.

[Unknown Military Official]

They're like, go forward. You are fabulous. Right? So I was, I was relieved to prove the doubters wrong.

[Nina Totenberg]

Right. It wasn't just your parents who knew.

[Unknown Military Official]

It wasn't somebody else sees this out here. Sometimes you need external validation. Yeah.

[Nina Totenberg]

1, 2 or 3.

[Unknown Military Official]

Let's go with 2. 2.

[Nina Totenberg]

How often do you think about death?

[Unknown Military Official]

Hmm. My husband thinks this is morbid. But at 61, you know, if. If I am lucky, if I am truly blessed, like 25 more summers.

[Nina Totenberg]

Oh, yeah. I do that math all the time.

[Unknown Military Official]

Yeah.

[Nina Totenberg]

You know, and I measure out how old my kids are against that because.

[Unknown Military Official]

If you're not mindful about time, you know, like 10 years. We've been out of office for 10 years.

[Nina Totenberg]

Right?

[Unknown Military Official]

What happened? What happened in those 10 years? You know, I mean, it's like what I did a lot, right? I mean, two, three books, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. There's a lot that happened, but it went by fast. And I'm at the stage of life where I want the next 10 years to go by slowly because guess what? I love life. I love my life. I love life. But if you. What I feel is that if I'm not mindful about it, the years slip away and you wind up spending a year doing what? Did you do anything you wanted to? Did you spend time with the people that you wanted to spend time with doing the things that you wanted to do? And there's a part time in life for all young people where you just don't have that luxury because you're grinding and growing and building. You haven't earned it yet. Right. And you should be out there doing and shaking and baking and. But with 25 more summers, I want to know. I want to feel each one of them.

[Nina Totenberg]

I know.

[Unknown Military Official]

I want to be like, woo, this year. Woo. This was slow. It's like I didn't do much of anything. Did I accomplish anything? I was like, oh, I read another book. Oh, it took forever.

[Nina Totenberg]

Do you think you're comfortable with real slowness, though? Like, do you think that's.

[Unknown Military Official]

Yes.

[Nina Totenberg]

Oh, you are.

[Unknown Military Official]

Okay. Oh, yes, I am. And a day of nothing is one of those nice, slow days where you look up and go, ah, man, it's only noon. I want more of those because I want these last 25 summers to feel long and purposeful and mine not. Because I've given that time away and I looked up and it's all gone. I've given it all away to everybody else, and I don't even know what was left for me. And so I think all of that is a part of thinking about death.

[Rachel Martin]

Totally.

[Unknown Military Official]

You know, and when it comes, look, I'm not afraid of it. But you're not. No, I'm not. But let me tell you one thing that was interesting to me, and I think you're the first person I share this with publicly is like, the last year, my mom's life, she got. She was. Her body was just shutting down for a number of various reasons. And her last bout of illness, she was with me in Hawaii, in our home in Hawaii, which was a blessing, right, because she was forced to let me take care of her.

[Nina Totenberg]

She didn't want.

[Unknown Military Official]

Oh, my God.

[Nina Totenberg]

She didn't want to be a burden.

[Unknown Military Official]

She didn't want to be a burden. And, ooh, did I. I had doctors and nurses and everybody coming in, and we had her diet and this, and I was bossing her around, and she was mad, and she was, I just want to go home. And it's like, but you can't. You're stuck with me. You know, I could just take care of her. And she got better and went back to Chicago. But we were sitting on the couch watching one of her court shows because she liked court shows. And she was realizing that, you know, she might. She will not ever be the same old self that she was. She was starting to realize she's coming to the end. And this woman that prepared me for death, right, and talked to me about all this stuff and was like, I'm ready to die. Who needs to be old people around too long? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She leaned over to me and she said, wow, this went fast. And I held her hand, I said, what are you talking about? And she said, life. She said, this went fast, and this was the woman who was ready. And what that told me was that even when you tell yourself you're ready, if you're living a good life, you're never really ready for it to end, right? So I hope I feel that way, even though I will be ready for it, you know, because it's been good and purposeful that I'll feel like I wish I had more time. So I'm trying to live my life like that, you know.

[Nina Totenberg]

Rachel Michelle.

[Unknown Military Official]

Darn you. That's your stupid cards. Oh, makeup.

[Steve Inskeep]

I think she meant stupid as a compliment. She did.

[Rachel Martin]

For sure she did.

[Nina Totenberg]

I took it that way.

[Steve Inskeep]

Opened up. You got it. Open up. And there's more of this conversation, I believe.

[Rachel Martin]

Yeah.

[Nina Totenberg]

You can listen to a longer version of that conversation if you search for Wildcard with Rachel Martin in your podcast app. And you can even watch a video of that entire episode on YouTube or Spotify.

[Steve Inskeep]

Rachel, thanks for coming by. It's always great to see you.

[Nina Totenberg]

Thanks, Steve.

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