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Episode: Trump and Ukraine, Kremlin’s View, California Redistricting

Date: August 19, 2025
Hosts: Leila Fadel, Amy Martinez

Episode Overview

This episode covers three major news stories:

1. President Trump's efforts to broker peace in Ukraine, including direct talks involving Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
2. The Kremlin’s perspective on recent negotiations, particularly regarding security guarantees for Ukraine and the possibility of Western troops or military aid.
3. The intensifying fight over congressional redistricting, with Texas and California locked in a political chess match expected to reshape the balance of power in the U.S. House.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Push for Ukraine Peace Talks

Segment Start: [03:04]

• Announcement of Talks:
  • Trump is organizing a meeting between Putin and Zelenskyy, followed by a trilateral conversation including himself. Date and place are yet to be determined.
  • Trump’s message (via Truth Social) came after a high-level White House meeting with Zelenskyy and seven European leaders.
• Momentum from the White House:
  • The meeting led to a sense of "momentum" towards peace, with Trump claiming Putin is amenable to direct talks and potential agreements.
• Security Guarantees for Ukraine:
  • European and Ukrainian leaders seek guarantees to deter future Russian invasions.
  • Trump: “A guarantee would involve, as he put it, coordination from the US but he didn't say specifically what that would mean.” [04:45]
  • Discussions are in early stages, with details scarce.
• Ceasefire and Prisoners:
  • Ukraine and European allies want a ceasefire before any further talks.
  • Trump is now less insistent on an immediate ceasefire, suggesting talks towards a comprehensive deal may proceed without one.
  • The issue of returning Ukrainian prisoners (including children) held in Russia was discussed; Trump claims Putin is open to it.
• Land Concessions:
  • Trump suggested talks over territory should be based on the “current line of contact,” a sensitive issue as Russia wants more of Ukraine’s east and still holds Crimea.

Notable Quote:

“We're going to work with Ukraine, we're going to work with everybody, and we're going to make sure that if there's peace, the peace is going to stay long term.”
— Donald Trump [03:34]

Tone & Atmosphere:
The summit was highly formal; Trump and Zelenskyy kept it civil, with Zelenskyy notably deferential—no public arguments.

2. Kremlin’s View of Negotiations

Segment Start: [06:54]

• Security Guarantees:
  • The West sees them as key; Trump claims Putin may accept them, possibly with Europe taking “a lot of the burden” and unspecified American support.
  • Zelenskyy confirmed Ukraine’s intent to purchase $100 billion in U.S. weapons for defense.
• Russian Caution and Red Lines:
  • Russia categorically rules out European troops on Ukrainian soil and is hostile to any NATO Article 5-like guarantees.
  • Putin prefers negotiations over details, which may slow or stall the process.
• Direct Talks:
  • Following a 40-minute Trump-Putin call, it’s confirmed:
    • Russia seeks a one-on-one meeting (Putin/Zelenskyy) before a trilateral session with Trump.
    • High-stakes issues (land, prisoners, abducted children) to be discussed at the leader level.
  • German Chancellor suggested a meeting could occur by month’s end.

Notable Quotes:

“One thing we've seen time and time again is that Trump is moving fast and operating in broad agreements, whereas Putin likes to zero in on details which slows the process down. Critics would say by design so the fighting can continue.”
— Charles Maynes, NPR Moscow Correspondent [09:34]

“This idea of European troops on the ground in Ukraine… Russia has ruled that out categorically.”
— Charles Maynes [09:40]

Tone & Atmosphere:
Deep skepticism from Russian analysts and nationalists regarding Putin’s willingness or ability to accept Western conditions.

3. Texas and California Battle over Redistricting

Segment Start: [10:35]

• Texas:

  • Democrats ended a two-week walkout, returning to fight congressional maps that favor Republicans.
  • With their return, the GOP-favored map is back in play, prompting cheers from supporters.

• California:

  • Democrats released a counter map to offset Texas gains, aiming to “flip” 5 GOP-held districts by combining diverse regions (e.g., Modoc County with Marin County).
  • The map will go before voters in November; Democrats expect to pass the proposal thanks to a supermajority.

• Republican Response:

  • Strong opposition: Republicans accuse Democrats of undermining California’s independent redistricting commission.
  • Assembly Minority Leader James Gallagher:

    “We should not abandon the principle of fair and independent redistricting here in California just for political expediency. But that is exactly what these maps do.” [12:22]

  • Some Republican districts, including Kevin Kiley’s in Sacramento, are directly threatened by the proposal.
  • Kiley introduces national legislation to ban mid-decade redistricting.

• What’s Next:

  • Quick timeline: legislature must pass bill this week for November vote.
  • Democrats pledged to drop their map if Texas and red states do likewise.
  • Lawsuits by Republicans are expected.

• Californian Public Opinion:

  • Early polling indicates a slight majority in favor, but it’s “still very early in the process.”

Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Zelenskyy’s Deference:
  “You did not have Zelensky and Trump get into any arguments. In fact, this meeting, Zelensky seemed to be deliberately showing deference, thanking Trump repeatedly. He also wore a suit, which is something that Trump said that he liked.”
  — Danielle Kurtzleben, NPR [06:35]

• On the Redistricting Strategies:
  “Those are two very politically different regions. And under this proposal, they'd have the same congressional representative.”
  — Laura Fitzgerald, CAP Radio [11:18]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:04 — Trump reveals latest plans for Ukraine peace talks
• 04:45 — Security guarantees and military aid for Ukraine
• 05:34 — Ceasefire debate and land concessions
• 06:54 — Kremlin’s view: security guarantees and red lines
• 09:34 — Putin’s negotiation style and skepticism in Russia
• 10:35 — Redistricting battles: Texas Democrats return, California map released
• 11:18 — Details of California’s new map; impact on GOP districts
• 12:22 — Republican leader criticizes California proposal
• 13:02 — Next steps, polling, and legal fights over California’s map

Summary

This Up First episode delivers concise, high-stakes reporting on U.S.-brokered Ukraine peace talks (with a focus on Trump’s and the Kremlin’s evolving positions), explores how each side views proposed security arrangements, and breaks down the increasingly aggressive redistricting moves in Texas and California that could shape Congress for years to come. The hosts provide clear analysis of both domestic and international maneuvering, marked by skepticism, political calculation, and a focus on process as much as outcomes.