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Christiane Amanpour
I'm Christiane Amanpour and I've been on the front lines and interviewing world leaders for more than 30 years.
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Jamie Rubin
And I'm Jamie Rubin, a former advisor to both Presidents Clinton and Biden.
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Christiane Amanpour
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Jamie Rubin
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And I'm Mary Kathryn Ham. We've been around the block in media and we're doing things differently.
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Jamie Rubin
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Christiane Amanpour
To be funny, grounded, and no panic. We'll keep you informed and entertained without ruining your day. Join us every Tuesday and Thursday Normally on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in Tuesday Edition. Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. Trump has broken left wing minds by telling them, hey, I'm going to keep you from getting killed. This is I knew it was going to be crazy. The reactions. But even for left wing meltdowns, the reaction from hey, my goal is to make sure that less people are victims of violent crime and less murders are taking place in Washington, D.C. has really, even for left wing insanity gone to a different level. We're going to break that down for you here momentarily, giving you a little bit of a heads up. We're going to continue to follow the Texas redistricting battle and we're going to be joined by Attorney General of Texas Ken Paxton. And at the bottom of this hour to give us the absolute latest on what the pursuit of Democrats who have fled the state is actually going to entail. And so we will follow that story with you along with many others. The New York City mayor's race is heating up, Buck. I saw George Will on Bill Maher over the weekend making the Clay Travis argument of hey, maybe we just have to let New York City stew in its own ineptitude in order to and rather than try to completely save them from their derangement, we'll talk about that, maybe break down that that universe. But I want to just start and have some fun here. We told you this was coming. We said Trump is trying to save the lives of tons of Democrat voters in Washington, D.C. and they are not going to be able to handle it. By the way, we should also mention consumer prices inflation low yet again, 2.7% below expectations, making finally some of those rate cuts start to appear more likely. Maybe as soon as next month. We'll probably talk about that as well. But let's have some fun here. Buck. Here is great montage from our producer Greg of Left Wings. Com left wingers complaining about the overreach of Donald Trump keeping them from getting killed in Washington, D.C. this is cut three, is it government overreach? Were something that our big cities desperately.
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Lisa Booth
Need the call to take over the Capitol. Drawing backlash. Critics accusing the president of overreaching, authoritarian overreach.
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Jamie Rubin
They feel like this is federal overreach.
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Christiane Amanpour
This is overreach.
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Lisa Booth
This is authoritarianism.
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Christiane Amanpour
This is an overreach. This is unnecessary.
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Jamie Rubin
It's about federal overreach, political overreach.
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Christiane Amanpour
This seems like bit of an overreach. It is amazing how well they deliver the exact same talking points. Let me play a couple to be fair here for you. Buck of left wing journalist actually saying, you know what, it isn't safe in D.C. here was to be fair. Kyra Phillips at ABC news saying, hey, D.C. is actually very dangerous. Cut six usually that's how you play devil's advocate is you talk about, oh well, stats say crime is down. However, I can tell you firsthand here in downtown D.C. where we work right here around our bureau, just in the past six months, yeah, there were two.
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Lisa Booth
People shot, one person died.
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Christiane Amanpour
Died literally two blocks down here from the bureau. It was within the last two years that I actually was jumped walking just two blocks down from here. And then just this morning, one of my co workers said her car was stolen a block away from the bureau. So we can talk about the numbers going down, but crime is happening every single day because we're all experiencing it firsthand while working and living down here. One more buck. Your buddy Joe Scarborough, who suddenly has taken truth serum and occasionally now says things that are objectively true, said, hey, privately everybody's Talking about how D.C. is unsafe and then publicly they're complaining because Trump's trying to make it safer. Cut seven People have been calling me over the past couple days going, you know, like Washington should have gotten involved years ago. This place is dangerous, it's a mess.
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Jamie Rubin
It'S a wreck and whatever.
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Christiane Amanpour
And then they'll go on Twitter, go, this is the worst outra of all time. They jockey, which I understand it's like people need to express their concerns about.
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Jamie Rubin
Donald Trump going too far.
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Christiane Amanpour
We saw what happened back in 2020 with the National Guard.
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Jamie Rubin
Certainly can't have any repeat of that.
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Christiane Amanpour
Don't want the federalization of the entire city. But man, I don't care what the crime statistics say.
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Jamie Rubin
Crime has been a problem in this.
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Christiane Amanpour
City for the 32 years I've been.
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Jamie Rubin
Living inside and outside of the city.
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Christiane Amanpour
It's just, you know, even now we.
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Jamie Rubin
Meek and I, we're talking to somebody.
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Christiane Amanpour
Who lives in the city.
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Jamie Rubin
These are all Democrats who said, you know, our friends won't walk more than three blocks in D.C. at night. Notice how it's like he was listening to the Clay and Buck show yesterday and is now just reiterating everything that we told you. Because we tell you the truth. We tell you what's really going on, which is why you grace us with your time and why this. This project of getting to hang out with you all works as well as it does because we're all a team in the truth. It is so obvious to anyone who is. This is the thing, too. You have two guys here who have Both lived in D.C. so we. We know, right? This isn't some city. I can quote Statistics in St. Louis to tell you that it's dangerous. I can tell you stories, personal stories about. I remember I was woken up in the middle of the night living in D.C. clay, and what was considered a kind of a nice neighborhood. It wasn't Georgetown nice, but it was a nice enough neighborhood. It was Logan Circle area, for those of you who know dc. And there was not a shooting, a shootout on my corner. Two guys who were at one of the, you know, big hotel chains, I forget which one, pulled guns on each other and shot it out. Neither of them hit anyone. But I remember being woken up in the middle of the night by this. You could say, oh, Buck. But that's anecdotal. Everybody who lives in D.C. has these anecdotal stories, no matter where you live in D.C. and that is a different thing. It is a different thing. And they. They talked about. I did watch the Morning Joe this morning, you know, sorry, guys, that is a different thing. They talked about on Morning Joe. How if you live in Manhattan, you might have a story about someone being crazy on this. In fact, if you take the subway, you definitely have stories of some being crazy on the subway. And you might have some stories about. About vagrants and about some unsettling things. You don't have a story about the summer intern who just got stabbed to death last week. Everybody who lives in D.C. knows this. And one of the brilliant things from. That's the reality there. One of the brilliant things here, once again, from Trump and Clay. You were hitting it hard yesterday. It's so important for everyone to know this. Trump is forcing them to defend the indefensible once again. Once again, D.C. is not a safe city. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or just is ignorant. And it should be a lot better. The city council in D.C. is so insane that the Democrats had to go along in Congress and override legislation that they were trying to pass. The D.C. city Council tried to make carjacking a less serious statute. And the United States Congress was like, you guys are nuts. You can't do that in our nation's capital because we have to drive in to go to our jobs and we don't want to be carjacked. Democrats Clay, once again caught completely flat footed on this. They look like buffoons. What Trump's doing makes perfect sense. And if he shows results, which by the way, I think he will, I think there will be results from this. It'll just be another W where Democrats look like they're the pro crime party and the emotionally erratic liar Party.
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Christiane Amanpour
I also think this could be a pilot program if, if Trump surges National Guardsmen and additional resources in Washington, D.C. and we see a market decline in violent crime, why would that not be possible with state National Guard troops? You mentioned St. Louis. I was looking, I think I. Let me see if I looked and flagged it. But the cities that actually have the largest awful crime rates, I was very kind of interested in that. And some of them you would not be surprised by. Memphis is awful, and Kansas City, I was surprised by, is incredibly awful when it comes to violent crime. Why couldn't we apply some of the same lessons that might be Learned in Washington, D.C. to those cities and drive down violent crime everywhere?
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Jamie Rubin
Well, you absolutely could. And this is the critical point. This is a choice. The same way, and this is really important, the same way that we saw that Biden's open border was a choice. Trump has proven that letting 10 million people flood into the country under false asylum claims, entering illegally, and then gaming our system and taking advantage of the American people, that did not have to happen. Democrats chose to make that happen. They're also choosing for crime to continue in all these cities at the level that it is. I mean, you can go down the list, Clay. New Orleans, a beautiful city that I love. Way too much crime. St. Louis, so much crime that when I visited our affiliate there a few years ago and I asked my Uber driver, I was like, hey, downtown looks kind of nice. He's like, don't walk alone at night here. I remember, I'm like, in the main downtown near the sports stadium. He goes, oh, no, don't walk alone at night. I said, okay, that's not a. That's not a big. And everyone that I saw who lived in the suburbs there said the same thing. It's too dangerous at night. You know, cities like Baltimore City, I haven't been to Detroit. I have spent a lot of time in Baltimore. Baltimore is far too Dangerous. Far too much crime. The things that they keep saying they want to do, oh, we need more like, you know, social workers or we need more welfare programs or whatever. That doesn't do anything. Fighting crime involves enforcing the law and locking up criminals. D.C. had 3000, give or take, has about 3000 felony arrests a year. Now it's only 365 days in a year, but 3000 felony arrests in a year. Clay, probably 1500 to 2000 people in D.C. are really doing the bad stuff. Yep, really doing the bad stuff. Out of a city of 600,000, if you're willing to lock up even 500 to 1,000 more of these serious felons, you know what happens. Everybody's safer, 100%.
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Christiane Amanpour
And we're speaking as grown men who I think in general are less concerned with crime. I don't know about you. I really don't think about being a victim of crime that often, but I was having this conversation with my wife the other day.
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Jamie Rubin
I mean, in Franklin, you might have.
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Christiane Amanpour
Like, squirrel run across your roof. Where. Not where I live, I mean, anywhere. But I was having this conversation with, with my wife, and she said, you know, you and Buck have been talking about crime. Every woman, when she walks into a. When she walks into a parking garage is. Her head is on a swivel. She's holding her keys to be used as a weapon.
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Jamie Rubin
You know, the most dangerous places, the most dangerous places, especially for women, parking garages. Gas station. Parking garages, gas station. That's the worst place for women to be.
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Christiane Amanpour
Specifically, I told my wife recently, I think I said it on the show, hey, Nashville, where I live, certain neighborhoods feel unsafe. I said, you're not getting gas anymore in Nashville. Like, come out to Franklin, where we are after dark, and you can fill up the car, plan it that way. But I think that every man thinks about this in the context of wife, daughter, mom. Every woman thinks about it all the time, Right? When crime is at a high level, women are thinking about this all the time. And I guarantee you, especially all the women that are in the media and are conscious of the high rates of violent crime that are going on, they actually agree. And I think what one of the things that this illuminates is Trump says what lots of people think. And the difference between authentic politicians and inauthentic politicians is what I give them credit here, Joe Scarborough just pointed to, which is most people agree with what Trump's doing privately, but publicly, because it's Trump they're claiming they don't. And I think increasingly more and more of the American public is seeing through the BS and saying, wait a minute, you said yesterday. I think it's a good point. You could disagree on tax rates or tariff rates. I mean, I just said this on Fox News. But it's part of disagreeing on keeping people from getting murdered is a really tough argument to make. Right? Hey, I want less people to die violently is something that everybody in America should say, hey, I'll sign on to that.
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Jamie Rubin
Like I said, this is one of Clay. Clay's brave stands on the show. Solidly anti murder.
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Christiane Amanpour
Did you see Fox News actually shared from their 28 million Twitter account or whatever. Clay Travis says he hates murder. And I was like, finally, I'm getting some credit here for hating murder more than anybody else. That was actually their headline. And so I appreciate the praise.
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Jamie Rubin
There something else I want to point out, because we were discussing the numbers. We should get into some of the numbers some more on this. And remember, if you're like, well, it's our nation's capital, Clay. We don't want to just take blue cities and let them rot. Sir, whether it is New York or D.C. we will return to that conversation. We want them to be the best they can be. And people were saying, oh, well, look at the numbers. Look at the crime that's it's going down. There's already an indicator, a pretty strong one, that they're cooking the books, which I'll also tell you, even without this story, I knew this was going on because anyone who lives in D.C. will tell you, not safe. Bad things are happening. Not safe. And the. The atmosphere there. And this is why Joe Scarborough. Joe Scarborough's golf playing friends from the Chevy Chase Country Club. For those who know the D.C. area, I'm sure he has a lot of them. A lot of Scarborough watchers live in Chevy Chase. They would be very miffed. You know, Muffy and Buffy would be very upset if Joe was saying that it was safe in downtown D.C. because they don't feel safe when they go to Pilates class in downtown. They know that bad things happen there. You know, this is a great time to talk to you about Sabre. We're talking about self defense, talking about protecting yourself and your family. We're just discussing him. If you're a woman and. Or a man. But if you're. If you're somebody who's going to be at a gas station at night or you're going to be going in and out of parking garages or just in your own home, remember home invasions can happen anywhere. Burglary. Some of these very sophisticated burglary crews, they're actually international. They're foreign, foreign guys who come into this country and they're very skilled burglars. All kinds of stories about that. They do burglaries, they do home invasions. How do you protect yourself? Sabre S A B R E. This is the number one pepper spray brand trusted by law enforcement. And for a lot of you, you might even live in a jurisdiction where you can't really conceal carry. So you don't have access, ready access to a lethal option to defend yourself. And, and even those of you who do have that option, like I do here, yeah, I've got firearms and I've got Sabre products. I've got force escalation. Carrie feels, Carrie feels more comfortable. She doesn't want to be carrying concealed. I do. But she wants to be able to have pepper spray so she can go out, go for a walk in an area that maybe is a little more, a little more dodgy. Saber. My friends go check it out. They've got amazing products. Family owned company. Clay and I know the CEO. He relies on these products for his family too. S A b r e radio.com that's s a b r e radio dot com. You'll say 15% when you go to that site today or you can just call this number 844-824. Safe saving America.
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Christiane Amanpour
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That's rapid radios.com and the code Radio at checkout. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate everybody hanging out with us. He is the Attorney General of Texas. He is also running for the Republican nomination in the Senate. He is Ken Paxton with us on now. Okay, so let's dive into the absolute latest here. The Democrats to my knowledge, remain outside of state borders. What should we expect to happen going forward now, Mr. Attorney General?
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Ken Paxton
Well, I don't know. It's, this is a, you know, uncharted territory for all of us. I don't know exactly what to expect, but we are, we filed actions in both Illinois and California. You know, obviously they can move around, but my understanding is many of them are in Illinois. We filed actions in that state asking the the court there under the full faith and credit provision of the U.S. constitution to honor our quorum warrants that were issued by the speaker of the House in Texas. So we'll see how that goes. We're, we're waiting on action there. We also have our filings with the Texas Supreme Court to try to remove 13 different legislators for not for being openly defiant of showing up for a session to deal with a lot of issues, not just rehisting. And that is on a sort of a two week time frame with briefs due by the other side, then a reply brief and then their reply brief. So that's that's going to be going over the next couple of weeks. And then of course, we have our actions that relate to Beto o' Rourke and his package and trying to hold him in contempt for violating a temporary restraining order that was issued by a court in Tarrant county recently.
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Jamie Rubin
So, Mr. Attorney General, if I could ask, could you just reverse a little? Because for some of some of our listeners, what is different about this time? This has happened before and there are people are saying, oh, this is a game that has been played in the past. What does the law say about, like, where are Democrats who have fled the state in violation of law and how is this time, if this time is different from the past, how is it different from when they've tried this before?
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Ken Paxton
So I, you know, they tried it in 2003. I was in Texas House. Obviously I was not in the attorney general's office in 2021. It didn't last very long. This one. We have no idea how long it's going to last. So, you know, they're all a little different. I think as we've had more experience, you know, my office has got more and more creative trying to deal with these issues. And so these ideas that we're proposing now are just ideas that we've come up to be creative. I mean, as I said, they're new. There's no experience really in trying what we're doing. And the last two times we just outweighed them. And the governors kept calling Governor Perry, Governor Abbott kept calling them back and eventually we got it done. So, you know, I guess we're just a little more action oriented and a little more creative this time, trying to push the envelope to get them back here sooner so we can get this done.
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Christiane Amanpour
What would you say? And I'm going to get my popcorn because I bet the answer is going to be good to people like J.B. pritzker, governor of Illinois, to Kathy Hochul, governor of New York, to Gavin Newsom, governor of California, who say Texas is effectively destroying democracy by redistricting.
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Ken Paxton
I would say they're hypocrites. I mean, their own states are so gerrymandered. I mean, look at our maps versus their maps. It's ridiculous to look at Illinois. Massachusetts, you know, has zero Republican representation in the state that has 37% Republican. Illinois, 44%, has only three representatives that are Republican. So I mean, I don't know how they say it with a straight face, but they do. Apparently they're really willing to just be dishonest because they know they've done it. They've done it for decades. And they're just appalled that you guys can't do what we've done. But yet here we are. You guys in Texas are destroying democracy. What we did when we gerrymandered our state to almost many of these states have no Republican representation. That is not destroying democracy because we're Democrats.
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Jamie Rubin
And so in terms of the law, you're the attorney general for the state of Texas. They are they in clear violation, are they arguing that what they're doing is somehow not a violation of Texas statute? Because the way it's no surprise the way it's talked about in the media, they pretend like there's a lot of gray area. And this is done before. And, you know, what does the law say about their obligation to actually show up for a quorum?
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Ken Paxton
Well, they're obligated under House rules. They're, they represent the people of their area, but they're under the, under obligation of their own rules that they pass to show up to vote. And when they don't do that, they can be held, you know, basically in contempt by their own body. So they say that, but their own body voted on rules that they were a part of that says exactly the opposite. So they're not being honest. They're being very disingenuous. And of course, as you're not surprised, the mainstream media plays along, you're also.
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Christiane Amanpour
In the midst of running as a Republican candidate in the Senate race that will happen next year. You're in the, in the midst of a lot of different things going on. How would you assess that, that race? And do you think President Trump is likely to weigh in in one form or fashion?
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Ken Paxton
So, I mean, I did my polling before I got in, but I used Cruz's pollster. I used another pollster with that did Trump's polling. I did. I did three polls. All of them had me up by at least 25 points. I don't think that's changed much. You know, you can have different pollsters looking at different things, but it was very consistent. And it's based on John Cornyn's past 23 years as a U.S. senator. And you can go back further. He's been in office since I was in college, and I'm 62. He has not represented Texas well. He's, he's been opposed to President Trump being president both times insinuated that he was guilty of crimes. And now suddenly you had conversion experience on April 8th when I got in the race. And now he loves Trump after hating him for the entire time he's been in office, he's been opposed to building a wall on the border, which most my constituents were disgusted by. And of course, President Trump had just the opposite view. And he fought with Joe Biden to restrict Second Amendment rights, which Texans obviously do not want Second Amendment rights restricted. But he, John Cornyn, fought with Biden to make that happen. So if you look at his record, he has not represented Texas well. There's not a distinguishing feature other than he tells us now that he's with Trump all of the time. It's just not true. It's dishonest.
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Jamie Rubin
You know, we're putting a lot of time and attention, Mr. Attorney General, on what's going on in D.C. now with Trump trying to bring the crime numbers down and federalizing the Metro Police for a period of time as he can under the Home rule Act of 1973 for the district of Columbia. But we've also raised how this could set a precedent, especially if there are points on the board, so to speak, if Trump shows success here for other law enforcement efforts that would use federal partners in conjunction with local law enforcement. And I'm wondering if this is something that you're already considering or are you in conversation with the Trump White House about, because, you know, Houston, I have a lot of friends in Houston. Lovely, lovely place. But there's some crime there. There's some crime problems. Same thing, I believe, in Dallas in some areas. So I'm wondering if this is something that you think could be a template in your state or just in general across the country.
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Ken Paxton
No, I think in general, it's certainly something, given that these cities are very liberal, their district attorneys funded by Soros, we have the same problem. And you know, Travis County, Austin and other major cities in our state where they won't prosecute and they defund the police and make it very difficult for crime to be prosecuted. So I don't know, since in my case the legislature doesn't give the authority to the attorney general to prosecute crimes, leaves it up to the DA's, I think any, any help we can get from the federal government, shut down crime and stop the increase that we have in our cities that are run by Democrats. I'm for.
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Christiane Amanpour
Ultimately, do you expect, I know the FBI has gotten involved. Do you expect for there to be any arrests and outside of state of any of these Texas lawmakers, like what is the Rubber Meets the Road moment? Let's at some point, the expectation, I think, is that they can't live outside of the State forever, and they'll have to return. But while they're out of state, do you expect any arrests or any seizures to occur?
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Ken Paxton
I don't expect. I mean, the FBI would have to have a federal crime. I don't see them arresting. This is not a federal crime. I mean, love it. If they could get them back somehow. For us, the actions that we're taking in Illinois, I think are our best shot is getting these states, these courts, to recognize our laws and help us get them back. Otherwise, we're going to be in the same situation we've been in the past. We just. They don't want. They don't want to live in Chicago the rest of their life and go through the winter. They're going to have to come back. They have jobs and families. And ultimately that has been successful. Both times. It just took longer and, you know, we spent a lot of money and waste a lot of time, but ultimately we got our registry maps passed in the past, both times. So we're not going to give up. We're just trying to expedite the process because it's ridiculous that this is what we have to go through.
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Christiane Amanpour
All right, biggest question right now for you. The last time I think Buck and I saw you in person was actually at a Texas Alabama football game down in Austin. Within about three weeks, basically 1v2 is going to be taking place. The Texas Longhorns have opened as the number one team in the country. They're going on the road in Columbus, Ohio, against the defending national champion Ohio State Buckeyes. What happens?
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Ken Paxton
You know what? I'm optimistic that Texas will pull it out. They've done it before. The last time I went to a Texas Ohio State game on the road was when Texas won the national championship and they beat Ohio State at Ohio State. So I'm going to.
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Christiane Amanpour
That was Vince Young, right? If I remember correctly, I was there.
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Ken Paxton
I loved it. And, you know, no one expected us to win that game, but I am predicting we're going to have a repeat. I think it was 2005 of the Ohio State opening game against Texas, where Texas pulled out a win.
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Jamie Rubin
I remember that game like it was yesterday.
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Christiane Amanpour
You know, Buck, that led into what I think is the greatest college football game of my life into the year. Rose Bowl, Texas, USC. The most watched college football game of the 21st century that I imagine, Mr. Attorney General, you sometimes think about fondly. Still to this day, I do.
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Ken Paxton
I was there. I literally, when the game was over, I thought, this is the greatest college game I've ever seen. I almost thought, how can I go to another college game after witnessing this masterpiece, really, by both teams. It was just. It was just amazing. I still get kind of chills talking about it. It was so. Remark is such a remarkable game.
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Christiane Amanpour
Amen. Well, look what. Keep us updated on how this is going on. You know, you can come on anytime. And we appreciate all the work y' all are doing down there.
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Ken Paxton
Hey, I appreciate. You guys have a great day. We're gonna win this.
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Jamie Rubin
Clay, have you heard of the Rio Reset?
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Christiane Amanpour
Sounds like a trendy new workout, Buck.
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Jamie Rubin
It does, but it's actually a big summit going on in Brazil. The formal name is brics, which stands for Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. But they've just added five new members.
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Christiane Amanpour
Smart move to stick with brics. We know what happens when acronyms don't end. They confuse everyone.
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Jamie Rubin
Well, that's an understatement. BRICS is a group of emerging economies hoping to increase their sway in the global financial order.
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Christiane Amanpour
Now that sounds like the plotline of a movie. I'm listening.
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Jamie Rubin
Philip Patrick is our Bruce Wayne. He's a precious metal specialist and a spokesman for the Birch Gold Group. He's on the ground in Rio getting the whole lowdown on what's going on there.
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Christiane Amanpour
Can he give us some inside intel?
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Jamie Rubin
Absolutely. He's been there since day one. In fact, a major theme at the summit is how BRICS nations aim to reduce reliance on the US Dollar in global trade.
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Christiane Amanpour
Yikes. That doesn't sound good. We got to get Philip on the line, stat.
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Jamie Rubin
Already did. And he left the Clay and Buck audience this message. The world is moving on from the dollar.
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Christiane Amanpour
Quietly but steadily, these nations are making real progress towards reshaping global trade. And the US Dollar is no longer the centerpiece.
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Jamie Rubin
That shift doesn't happen overnight.
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Christiane Amanpour
But make no mistake, it's already begun.
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Jamie Rubin
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Christiane Amanpour
There is a zero percent chance if I were single that I would have scooted anywhere. I mean, I would have. I would have been late for every meeting just because I would have been afraid that I would come by and see me on the scooter and never date Me again.
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Jamie Rubin
This is going to sound like I'm making it up, but I'm not making it up. But I feel like we're all family here. So I will tell you this, okay? During COVID a couple of years before I met my wife, when I was a single guy, I was out trying to meet the. Trying to meet the love of my life, my beloved Carrie. And I hadn't met her yet, and it was a couple years before, and I had the scooter because during COVID that was when it was great to have the scooter because you could fly all over New York. Not fly, but you could move really fast all over New York because there.
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Christiane Amanpour
Were very few people out and about at that time.
- [40:40]
Jamie Rubin
So I could get all over. But, you know, restaurants will be open sometimes. I remember I was like, you know what? I was like for this? This is true story. I was like, for this. It was a second date to me. It wasn't a first date. I was like, but for this date, you know what? I'm just going to. I'm going to show up with my scooter because it's convenient, and, like, I'll give her. I'll give her a ride home on my little e. Scooter. And I didn't really think this through. You know, she was a. She's a petite lady. She wasn't big. I didn't really think this through, though. Those things are not meant for two people. So when she got on the back of it and we tried to go. I'm not kidding, we were going 0.5 miles an hour. It was moving.
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Christiane Amanpour
You'd have been better off walking, but.
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Jamie Rubin
Oh, walking is way faster. We were moving, but it was moving at the speed of like, a toddler's Tonka truck.
- [41:26]
Christiane Amanpour
You know what I mean?
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Jamie Rubin
When it kind of goes on the driveway. And we had. We had a sustained laugh at my expense. And I don't think there was a.
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Christiane Amanpour
Third date, but we did have fun. There you go. I wouldn't have kept dating you. I mean, I would have been like, this guy's riding a scooter. He won't even spin. He won't even splurge for a Uber ride back home. It's probably cold. The winds.
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Jamie Rubin
I do wish there was. There was video of my face, though, when, like. Because, you know, I hit the throttle and I didn't know, and. And it kind of like lurched forward, and then it was just at, you know, at turtle speed. I mean, it was this. Old ladies with walkers were telling me to get out of the way, slowpoke. It was really not good.
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Christiane Amanpour
I remember. This is kind of funny date story. Not for me. I've been married for 20, like, five years or whatever the heck it is. 22 years. Next year, next month, this month, anyway. A long time. 21 years and. But I remember a girl being like, yeah, I went on a date. She's like, I'm a little. We used to do. I do anonymous mailbags at Outkick, and I would answer a lot of questions. Girl was like, yeah, I went on a first date. She's like, I just. I don't really feel like he was into me. And I was like, you know, in the email, and she was like. And as evidence of that, she said, he paid with a gift certificate. And I was like. I was like, I'm sorry, ladies. If you go out to dinner with a guy on the very first date and he pays with a gift certificate, then he is really not that into you because he's not even willing to pull out the actual credit card. And it's even funnier if it's like, can you just take the 20? You know, it's like a $25 gift certificate. So, you know, I'm just telling you, I don't believe maybe there's somebody listening. I don't believe there's a single marriage that has ever resulted from a first date or a man paid for the dinner with a gift certificate. Because I think women are like. Like, look, I mean, I'm not saying that. That. That I expected the.
- [43:21]
Jamie Rubin
The.
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Christiane Amanpour
The. The absolute sun and moon and stars on the first date, and. But you took me to Applebee's or Outback, and you whipped out like that. The Outback gift certificate for the Bloomin Onion. I'm just not saying that that's the guy that you want to spend the rest of your life with. Maybe there's somebody out there, if there is a single person listening who went out on a first date and the guy she's with paid with a gift certificate, gift card, then. Then maybe I'm wrong. I don't think there's a single relationship that has ever come from a first date gift certificate. So that is my advice to men out there, that if you're dating a girl or if you're the girl, if he's paying for you with a gift certificate, he's not that into you. He wasn't even willing to actually use real cash. He's using what his mom gave him for Christmas to take you out for Blooming Onions.
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Jamie Rubin
Still preferable to splitting the check on the first date. I will say so. It's, it's a little. It's, you know, this is in, this is purgatory. This is like in between, right? I mean, it's not great, but not terrible. Guys, you gotta, you gotta pick up the. Even if you don't like her, even if she's a lit. Even if she's a Bernie Sanders voting purple haired. You didn't know this is what you were getting into.
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Christiane Amanpour
Date.
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Jamie Rubin
You pay on the first date. Guys, don't, don't, don't make. We have young, we have young single men listeners here. 20s, 30s, 40s, guys who are single out there. You pay on the first date. Boys.
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Christiane Amanpour
I agree. 100.
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Jamie Rubin
It's just the way it is. There's no if, ands, or buts. All right, Norman in NYC wants to weigh in. What's going on, Norman?
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Ken Paxton
I'm still laughing about the credit card. The gift card.
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Christiane Amanpour
Gift card. You can't do it, Norman. You can't do it. You've probably been married for, for 30 years. But I'm trying to help the young men out there. Don't screw this up.
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Ken Paxton
Oh, my God. The card was given to him by his mother. Oh, my God.
- [45:09]
Christiane Amanpour
It's like you got a Christmas gift card for the Outback Steakhouse. You not even willing to take and pay the girls dinner for yourself. Your mom and dad are paying for it. Just can't do it.
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Ken Paxton
Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
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Jamie Rubin
You got Norman. Do we have to come, do we have to come back to Norman? Norman's. Norman's. He's tickled over there.
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Ken Paxton
Let me say this. I think first and foremost, Washington D.C. should be the safest community on the planet. First and foremost, that is where the President of the United States. Dignitaries come from all over the world. There is no excuses. No excuses for one thing to be going wrong in Washington D.C. the second thing is I agree with the President and in the National Guard there, and I think that it's important that the mayor takes the pride off the shoulder and say, I'm getting additional help in Washington D.C. to be able to combat the problems that we face. I think that what I would do is pair up one law enforcement officer from the District with one National Guardsman to give it more power, to give people more comfortability. The word National Guard is scaring people. It's additional law enforcement. New York City talks about the fact that we, we need more police. Well, how take the 4,000 or 5,000 National Guardsmen that want to be deployed, Give them the opportunity to work alongside another police.
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Jamie Rubin
Can I point out something as well, Norman? All the people that don't totally, totally agree with your sentiments here, all the people that are freaking out about Trump deploying National Guard to help with law enforcement, they were fine with national guard holding empty M16s at airports during COVID As if that had anything to do with anything. I mean, they just had people standing there with guns making you fill out contact tracing forms. What was the National Guard gonna do, hand me some extra Kleenexes? It was absurd. And they were all fine with that. I just want to point out no purpose for them whatsoever other than a show of force, because we were all supposed to obey and bend the knee to Fauci, that vile turd.
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Ken Paxton
Oh, absolutely. And let me say this. Tell a mother that lost her child to gun violence that she doesn't want more police in the community. Amen, father that doesn't have one. Come on, man. Get with potus. Let's do what we got to do. Yes, we're in uncharted territories in some area, but the ship is turning. Let's get on board, turn the ship, and go in a different direction because all of this other stuff from the Democrats have not been working. It's just been kicking the can down the road.
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Christiane Amanpour
That's great. Call Norman. Yeah, I agree with him, and I. You mentioned this yesterday, Buck, and we'll play a cut for you maybe in a little bit. We're going to take a couple more calls. But I think Muriel Bowser, the mayor of D.C. actually agrees with Trump, but politically is not able to say that. Listen to her answers and how she's trying to thread that fine line. I think she welcomes the support.
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Jamie Rubin
She is not. If. If this were happening in Chicago, Mayor Johnson would be screaming about Nazism and racism and Trump as, like, the head of the kkk. I mean, it would be complete meltdown. Okay? Complete meltdown. That's not what you're getting from Mayor Bowser. She was pretty, you know, I mean, she's saying, I don't think we need it. She's trying to defend her record a little. Maybe we should get to some of those, get some of those clips. She's not. She's not coming out swinging hard at Trump on these things because I think she wants to leave open the possibility of taking credit for it, which. Which if it gets better, she'll take a victory lap. And you know what? If she doesn't stand in the way, fine. You know, I mean, as long as it's getting better there, because we all know that people will understand that Trump was the instigator of these improvements. But, yeah, I think it's, it's very interesting to see how that dynamic plays out. We've also got here.
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Christiane Amanpour
David in Florida is next.
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Jamie Rubin
Thank you. David in Florida. Yes.
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Ken Paxton
Hey, listen, Buck, when the, when the bike went dead, who pushed who on taking it back?
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Christiane Amanpour
Yeah. What happened when the scooter was failing? What did you do? Did you like, just kick her to the curb and ride home?
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Jamie Rubin
I, I, I will tell. I called an Uber for her to take her home, and then I kind of, sadly, I didn't even really want to ride the, ride the scooter anymore. I kind of walked it home. You know when you skinned your knee as a kid on your bike and you were, like, unsure of it, you know, and you're like, I don't know, like, I skinned my knee. That's kind of how I felt about my e scooter. It was like I was defeated and I just walked alongside it in sorrow. Alone.
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Ken Paxton
Yeah. Took your soccer ball and went home. So, you know, the solutions today for D.C. and the mayor's solution is as ridiculous as it was when Marion Barry was in office and the early 90s. It was a murder capital of the world, I think, a couple years consecutive. And that solution was to change the name of the basketball team from the Washington Bullets because it had bullets, to the Washington Wizards. That was their solution.
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Jamie Rubin
I remember.
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Ken Paxton
And it's just completely out of ridiculous at a ridiculous level now.
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Christiane Amanpour
So thank you for the call.
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Ken Paxton
I want to ask you a, I want to ask you a question real quick. I know, maybe, maybe 4th of July or something. Could you guys maybe play an old Paul Harvey rest of the story. The signers of the Declaration of Independence. It's a great, it's a great rest of the story, man. I think everybody appreciate it, so.
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Christiane Amanpour
Well, that's fun. That is a question for rights for people way smarter than me, meaning producer Ali can, can look into it, by the way, I will say. 250th anniversary, I just saw this come across the Twitter wire here, Buck. UFC fight, South Lawn, July 4, 2026. That is according to Dana White. And I think Ivanka Trump is working on trying to put this thing on. They are going to do the fight and then have the fireworks. I'm going to try to pull some strings for us Buck to get. That's one of the coolest sporting events of all time to see a UFC competition on the south lawn of the White House and have it sort of connected also simultaneously to the extraordinary July 4th on the 250th anniversary of the United States. It doesn't get much trumpier than that. But that by the way speaking of July 4th is underway right now. Let's get one more quickly in here. Barney in North Carolina, what you got for us?
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Ken Paxton
Yeah, my thing is with D.C. and all these other big cities are all democratic run in Democratic run state and they're all anti second amendment. And is there any correlation with the violence and crime with that?
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Christiane Amanpour
Thank you for the call, Barney. I bet was a big fan of Andy Griffith back in the day. Maybe named after the legendary Barney Fife. That is by the way one of the all time great shows. Do you ever grow up watching Andy Griffith Showbuck?
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Jamie Rubin
Oh no.
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Christiane Amanpour
Andy Griffith show is still so good. Black and white Andy Griffith before they went to the color version. Old school Andy Griffith shows Opie. Everything else Aunt B. So good. So what's interesting is we have seen skyrocketing levels of firearms purchase since 2018ish. I think if any firearm maker out there were looking at it, there are way more guns on the street now than ever before. And many of the places with the highest rates of gun ownership are actually seeing much lower rates of gun violence. And many of the places with the most restrictive laws on gun ownership are seeing record high levels of gun violence. Again, it is the legal gun owner, as many of you know out there is actually one of the most law abiding people. Like leave aside gun crime, they actually commit crimes at infinitely lower rates than anybody.
- [52:56]
Jamie Rubin
Concealed, concealed carry permit holders in this country have a lower violation of the law rate than law enforcement. Wow.
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Christiane Amanpour
Yeah, that's a heck of a stat. That's a heck of a stat. Doesn't surprise me but, but that is super interesting. Look, I'm going to go to Chattanooga, Tennessee, my mom's hometown next week and I am speaking to a Republican group in Chattanooga, Tennessee. And as part of that trip I'm going to be going to see for the first time the facilities of our friends at Legacy Box where they are taking care of millions of you when it comes to preserving your family memories. I'm actually really excited next week to take that tour. They are doing an incredible job of making sure that your digital memories are. Are that your old school memories with vhs, with, with old photographs, with maybe film reels, whatever you have memory wise from the 70s, 80s, 90s, even before, before everything went digital, do you have the ability to preserve it? Do you have the ability to share it? Is your family's history taken care of or is it in somebody's attic? Is it in somebody's garage? Why not go ahead and give the gift of your family's history being preserved forever with Legacy Box? They've done it for a million and a half families. They will take care of you one videotape at a time, one photo at a time, carefully preserving your memories onto digital files. Again next week, I'm gonna go see exactly how they do this at their factory in Chattanooga, Tennessee. With Legacy Box. You can get hooked up right now with an incredible offer before we get into the holiday season. Legacybox.com Clay For 50 off your order Legacybox.com Clay 50 off trust me. Go check this out. I think you're gonna be impressed. That's a legacybox.com clay50 off do it today News you can count on and some laughs too.
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Christiane Amanpour
Welcome in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you rolling through the program with me. I so many people wagon, we're going to have some fun on my contention that you cannot take a first date out and pay for it on a gift certificate, which I would continue to hammer home. Some news that is out there. Caroline Levitt has been having a press availability, a White House press conference, and she has confirmed that the big meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin will occur in Anchorage. Anchorage, Alaska, coming up on Friday will be a huge story for what exactly we will hope to be a successful meeting. And as we told you yesterday, President Trump will know relatively quickly whether he says there is a deal to be made here or he is still kind of getting yanked around, for lack of a better phrase. To explain why this ongoing negotiation continues, some positive news. The inflation report that came out this morning continues to be low inflation at 2.7%. The stock market has surged as a result of that report as inflation came in lower than expected for I think the fifth month in the last six. There has not been a major inflation impact at all from so far. President Trump's tariffs and we have new stock market records all over the NASDAQ, all over the S&P 500, the Dow Jones Industrial. If you have a 401K, your stocks are setting record highs. So your retirement is doing very, very well. And I'll continue to echo if you were just not a panicker, if you did not panic in April when everybody tried to tell you, oh, my goodness, these tariffs are going to destroy the economy. There's no way to, to continue to live this way. It is the case that I believe the Trump economy is starting, starting to fire on all cylinders. Growth in wages is out pacing growth in cost, which is the most important, I would say measurement economically because it means you have more money in your pocket. Now I know many of you out there are still very frustrated by the price of goods which skyrocketed during the Biden administration when we got to over 9% inflation. I understand when people say, hey, things still feel like they cost too much. Unfortunately, inflation is embedded. We very rarely ever go backwards in price. So the best thing you can hope for is that prices stop growing at exponential rates, which is again where we are. We've got a bunch of people who want to weigh in a variety of topics. Let me hit you with one bit of news. I should have hit this last week. I kind of missed it. I think it happened Thursday after the show. I didn't talk about it on Friday, but I think it is an important cultural hallmark here. Gina Carano Buck, did you ever watch the Mandalorian on Disney plus?
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Jamie Rubin
I thought the first season was excellent and then it kind of kind of crashed into the planet.
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Christiane Amanpour
Laura My wife watches all these shows and she watches them generally with with our boys. They loved the Mandalorian. It was a Disney plus Star wars related show. Disney fired Gina Carano for having very what I would say is just a little bit right of center opinions on social media. She later sued. They fired her in 2021. Friday last week they Disney apologized to her and basically said hey, we're going to rehire you. We talk about these things because I do think the cultural significance of them is becoming more and more Paramount. And Buck, I'll add this. I saw this story up at Mediaite and also up at Outkick. Sydney Sweeney, the ad that was so controversial we were all told only 12% of Americans, according to a big poll that was conducted, actually found this ad in any way offensive. 40% thought that it was a very successful ad. A lot of other people didn't care at all one way or the other. But it is interesting how the left wing, I think their ability to bully and try to force people not to not to be able to say, hey, you know, being a white girl with blue eyes and blonde hair is a perfectly fine advertisement. The way that they ran and hid from this and tried to they've gotten used to being able to bully people into apologizing and not doing ads like this. I do think the best advice I have for anyone out there is do the opposite of what's popular on Twitter and very often your business will thrive because Twitter is not real life. And I think this is yet more evidence of that being true.
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Jamie Rubin
Well, Twitter acts now is a lot more reflective of real life than it than it used to be. You know, I remember it. It's funny, ever since the social justice communists were kicked out of there by Elon, I never get dragged. They used to call it piled on publicly by, you know, some. Some random writers from Vox or something. You know, this just doesn't happen anymore.
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Christiane Amanpour
Yeah.
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Jamie Rubin
And I think there was a tremendous amount of both suppression and amplification in favor of communist madness. I know. Well, we know there was. I mean, we. That's. Elon bought it and we saw that, and that was real. Yeah. They're honestly so many of these people who a decade ago love to be all tough on Twitter.
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Christiane Amanpour
They're all.
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Jamie Rubin
They're all leftist cowards. They don't pick fights anymore. They don't want to because they know now that they don't have the rigged game in effect. So I'm very grateful that that has changed.
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Christiane Amanpour
Let me play a couple of clips for you that are starting to echo throughout the Internet ecosystem. The chief of police for police for D.C. they had a press conference. Mayor Muriel Bowser was also there. The chief of police had absolutely no idea what the phrase chain of command was. And. And had. Listen. Just listen to this clip and think to yourself, does this sound like a person who should be in charge of keeping people safe in D.C. the mayor then has to step in. And I think it's evidence of what we have kind of told you, which is, I think the mayor does want additional resources. Politically, it's just hard for her to endorse the decision made by Donald Trump. But listen to this clip.
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Jamie Rubin
That's what the chain of command is now.
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Lisa Booth
What does that mean?
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Ken Paxton
Well, is it Pam Bondi speaking to the mayor?
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Jamie Rubin
How does this work?
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Christiane Amanpour
So the executive order is clear. The president has requested MPD services, and our home rule charter outlines the process.
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Lisa Booth
The president designated Attorney General Bondi as his proxy to.
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Ken Paxton
To request services through me.
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Christiane Amanpour
Okay, so I know that's a little bit confusing. The video makes it easier. The chief of police did not seem to understand the concept of chain of command. And so she had to step back. And then the mayor came in and kind of explained how this was laying out, which is, the president is at the top of the chain of command in D.C. as it pertains to federal leadership there, which I do think is. Is kind of important. All right, I wanted to play this for you, Buck, because you just came back from New York City recently. You were up there with your family. You're born and raised, New York City. George Will, I think he's still at The Washington Post, one of the foremost conservative columnists of the last 40 years, probably was on with Bill Maher. And he said the same thing that I said recently, which is sometimes you just have to let Democrats deal with the consequences of their choices. And so this argument is starting to spread a little bit. And I want to get your take because I don't know that you've talked about what you saw in New York City and how the city felt, but listen to this.
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Jamie Rubin
Here you have Trump, who is the.
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Christiane Amanpour
Republican who is aggrandizing more power than anybody, as we just talked about. And on the other side you have the guy running in New York, Mandami.
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Ken Paxton
Right.
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Christiane Amanpour
Okay.
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Jamie Rubin
Who's like a straight up communist.
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Christiane Amanpour
I mean, he is, he talks about.
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Jamie Rubin
You know, the things that communists say.
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Christiane Amanpour
I mean, he wants free grocery stores, free buses.
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Ken Paxton
I want him to win. You want him to win? Yeah, I think every 20 years or so. Wait.
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Jamie Rubin
Every 20 years or so we.
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Ken Paxton
Need a conspicuous, confined experiment with socialism.
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Jamie Rubin
So we can crack it up again.
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Christiane Amanpour
Okay, Buck, you were just in New York City. It seems like there's sort of a slow moving panic setting in because, mom, Donnie is remaining in the lead even though he's clearly got communist opinions. Neither Cuomo, Eric Adams nor Curtis Sliwa has been able to say, hey, this is going to be the primary adversary. What's the vibe there so far as you could tell? And what do you think of George Will's argument?
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Jamie Rubin
Well, the vibe is, is the slow growth of the panic in mindset. I think that Mamdani is going to win.
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Christiane Amanpour
Yes.
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Jamie Rubin
Because the, all the alternatives to him, none of them are good and they're all very good at canceling each other out. And I know, please don't send me the Curtis Sliwa. Curtis, sure. Curtis is a great guy. I've interviewed him before. He's not going to be the mayor.
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Christiane Amanpour
Of New York City, ok.
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Jamie Rubin
It's just not going to happen. So I wish that was not the case. But this is a bit like when libertarians once every four years send me the. Our candidate's going to win the presidency. No, he's not. Okay? It's not going to happen. So please don't send me those emails. And I think that unfortunately Mamdani is going to be the mayor and that's going to result in some real problems for the city. As for George Will, I mean, look, I cannot abide my. What is still my hometown and I cannot abide the largest city in America being burned down as some kind of a message. Because the communists never get the message. It's not like they're going to learn. It's a bit like dealing with children, Clay, when you have to tell them, you know what, you can't actually just have like ice cream and pizza every night for dinner and you're going to eat good food. Like, we just have to be in charge and the leftists have to not be in charge. They never learn the lesson. They will keep burning their hand touching the stove when it's hot. They never learn the lesson. So I disagree with George, who, by the way, lives in Chevy Chase. I was talking about Chevy Chase before. So he lives in a very rich, very affluent suburb of D.C. and it's easy for him with a little bow tie on, who's been wrong about everything Trump related, I might add. He's been one of those. One of those. And you know, Trump wouldn't get into his country club, I'm sure. But you know, it's, it's, I think that it's a bad, it's a bad idea because the lessons aren't learned. I mean, look at, look at San Francisco. They dial it back a little bit, but it's not like the Democrats have said, you know what? San Francisco governance was a bad idea. We're going to change our. No, the communist never gets tired of being a communist because it's not about what is. It's about what makes them feel. And that's why I think New York City as a lesson, very easy for George Will to say, but I don't think New York City as a lesson will actually have the intended result. I'd rather us just move in the other direction and get points on the board. Right. You know, because, because I don't, I don't think his thing about it being an example is true. It'd be one thing if it actually was going to be, oh, the whole country will learn. You know what happened in New York City, Giuliani came in and fixed the city. That was the lesson they didn't learn from previous Democrat hellscape experiments in New York. They didn't learn from Dinkins and Koch and you know, yada yada, go back. So you want victory, you don't want defeat. Defeat is not a good teacher. Unfortunately, my only argument in this case, in general, it can be, but my.
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Christiane Amanpour
Only argument is I think it makes it more likely that we win the House if people like Mom, Donnie and AOC are the face of the Democrat Party by 2026. So I, this is my argument. Will did not make it thoroughly, but that we sometimes have to sacrifice the. You know, the tigers are running out there and you got to outrun the tiger.
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Jamie Rubin
And I don't think, See, I think that Mamdani would. Maybe this will help you, which could be important. Maybe this will help you with some New York state congressional seats. I don't, I don't think that in purple states you're gonna, there's not gonna be some Mamdani effect of people who live in like the.
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Christiane Amanpour
He's not well enough known in your mind for people to even react to it.
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Jamie Rubin
And people aren't. People in the rest of the country aren't gonna care about what the mayor of New York is doing when they're voting for Congress. I don't think so in that sense, I don't see. And also, he just doesn't have the national profile. You know, AOC and Bernie, it's funny, they are still the biggest draw that the Democrats have, but I wonder if they really are going to have the negative effects on Democrats in the midterms that people would like to see. I. I'm curious. I'm curious about it. But yeah, George Will. George Will. George Will could use a little, little dose of humility, I think. You know, George Will writing for that Washington Post communist slop for a long time, being all smug with his little bow tie on. You know, you know what, buddy? You know, back of the room, you know, I know you're an old guy, but back of the room, you got some things to learn. I'm. I'm not impressed. So, you know, wrong on everything Trump related. Just gonna say, just, just as dug in on Trump and as anti Trump as anyone can be. And for what? For what? So the communists can run amok? So we can all learn a lesson while George is playing croquet. Sorry, not a fan. All right. Because of you and so many other generous people like you, Preborn has rescued over 38,000 unborn babies this year alone. Preborn is a long standing nonprofit organization with the goal of saving the lives of as many unborn children as possible. Challenge of abortion has now reached the home front at exponential levels. Because of the abortion pill, it's easy to take, taking a toll on so many lives, innocent lives, day in and day out. But through preborn pregnant mothers who are facing that decision about whether to give life or to have an abortion, they are so often now choosing life because of what Preborn is doing. It starts with this ultrasound process. Because when mom meets the tiny baby growing in her womb, the choice is so much easier. For just $28, you can introduce at risk babies to their mothers through this ultrasound. That's the gift that Preborn provides to pregnant moms in each of their clinics nationwide. Please donate a gift of any amount you can $5 $500 whatever you can do goes toward the mission, but a great way to do it is that $28 a month and just set it up. Recurring monthly donation. I know that adds up, but think of the lives you can be saving in the process. Dial pound250 say the keyword baby. That's pound250 say baby or go to preborn.com buck preborn.com V U C K Sponsored by Preborn Clay Travis and Buck.
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