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Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Thursday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Some quick housekeeping. Buck is back. As in I'm normal today. Yesterday was a bit of a challenge. I appreciate all of you rolling with me. Had to hydrate in the breaks and it was a little touch and go. But I'm back, I'm healthy, ready. Rock and Play is having a great time with his family. He's on vacation. I think he's in Disney World or one of those places. Not sure where he is today, but we're all hoping he's having a great time with the fam. He'll be back with us, as we know, a week from tomorrow. So it's just going to be me informing you, entertaining you, rolling with you here for a week. So looking forward to getting to chat with you. All the calls, the talkbacks, we love them both. Give us light us up on those lines and send those talk backs. Let's lay out where we're going today on the show real quick. So, you know, some stuff coming out on the FBI and there's a little bit of pushback, I think, from some people on the right. Are Director Patel and Deputy Director Bongino moving fast enough? Are they doing the things. I was on Fox earlier this morning with Dana Perino, who's always so lovely, like such a nice person and very good broadcaster. And we were talking about this issue. I want to address it a bit because I think that there's a little bit of expectations management that our side should have. Not in terms of result, no, no, we all agree on the results. But in terms of timing, we need to give the people the time that they need. Speaking of which, Elon has said that his time as a special government employee has come to a conclusion. He put this out on X, the platform that he owns, which now is actually a free speech platform. As my scheduled time as a special government employee comes to an end, I would like to thank President Trump for the opportunity to reduce wasteful spending. The DOGE mission will only strengthen over time as it becomes a way of life throughout the government. So Elon is going to go back to being the most important single CEO and, you know, business. I don't like the term thought leader. Right. Because it's like thought leader. But I mean, the guy is a thought leader, but I don't like to use that term. But he's going to go back to doing the full Elon routine, which is going to be, I think, great for SpaceX, for Tesla, for X, for boring company, for all the things that he is involved in. So this is where we get into a little bit, speaking of expectations, management of they've done what they could do. He did not unilaterally, and this was known all along, he does not unilaterally have the authority, the power DOGE didn't have to just say these cuts are going into effect, money that Congress has appropriated. If Congress says this, you know, this program for fiscal year 2025 has $10 million or $10 billion. Doge couldn't just come along and say, yeah, they don't have $10 billion anymore. But this is where rescissions come in. This also goes to our conversations over the big beautiful bill. There's been a little bit of pushback here, including from some of the, the most pro Trump voices you will find in the Senate and just in general who are saying, hey, Trump, I love you with all respect. You're doing great things. We all get that. This isn't like some never Trumpy wine fest. You're like, but like, I don't like the way you said it. No, that's for libs. That's for fake Republicans. This is just about, ok, it's halftime. It's not even halftime, to be clear. It's early. It's a timeout in the first quarter of this administration and we're all huddled together and some of us are saying, hey, Trump, thank you for being the quarterback. But, you know, can you hit that guy on the button hook? Clay would be proud, by the way. I'm just going to say, look at that button hook. But yeah, you know what I'm saying that that's the mentality, or rather that's the, the rationale behind some of the pushback on this from people like Senator Ron Johnson, people like Senator Rand Paul. They're on board for the mission, but they want to shape this. This is why it goes to the Senate. I bring it up because, you know, yesterday I said we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. And I think I'm trying to, some of the administration said it later that day. I'm trying to remember, I don't want to misquote, but somebody, I heard somebody else say it. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right. They listened to this show. So I'm happy to, happy to help. Happy to help. And if that means I throw around a cliche that somebody else will have in their head later, great. But we've talked about the process and Stephen Miller, I read his post on the big beautiful bill, still in process. And there's a, there are big things in this bill that will affect us, that will affect your family budget, that will affect the business that you own or that you work for in your town. I mean, there's this real stuff, right? This isn't sitting around arguing about the naming of the next post office in Topeka. No offense, Topeka, but this is about big economic issues, structural issues and setting the economy on a footing that will allow it to get to the best possible places. Right. I mean, tremendous prosperity, which I'm very confident in. I have not been gloom and doom about the Trump economy since he won that election. For one moment, for one day, even when, oh, the Trump recession is here. Oh, the market has dropped. You can go back and listen to those shows. We're like, I kept saying he knows what he's doing. Everyone just who's freaking out needs to, as I believe they would say here in South Florida, tranquilo. Everyone just needs to calm down. It's fine. Ok. Nothing terrible's happened. He knows what he's doing. Part of the complaints about the big beautiful bill, though, have been on where is where are the cuts? Where is Doge and the ethos of Doge being made real? And this is where you have OMB Director Russell Vaught, who was on the Kudlow show, saying that, yes, in fact, the administration is sending a rescissions package to Congress. Let's hear it from the OMB director himself. Play 4 I can. We'll be sending that up on Monday or Tuesday, whenever the House is back in session. They will get our first rescissions bill. And again, this has been proposed and we've talked about it. We want to make sure that Congress passes its first rescissions bill, including the doge, and we will send more if they pass it. And so this is the first one is foreign aid, USAID cuts, many of the waste and garbage that was funding, not only wasteful but hurting our foreign policy. But also the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and npr, we'll be sending that up. And we're working with Congress and we've had good conversations to make sure that they knew what was coming. They had some input as to changes that could be made to make it something that could pass the House. And we're excited for that to occur next week. There you have it. I said, hold on a second. Where are the DOGE cuts in the big beautiful bill? And Stephen Miller, who understands this process as well as anybody, because he is, look, he is at the center of what's going on in this White House. He is absolutely dialed in. And he explained it to everybody. And he said, look, this is how it has to happen within the system. And let's be honest, even if you follow government and politics for a living, some of this stuff, unless you I'll tell you this, some members of Congress don't even know this stuff that well. Their staff members do, their staffers do, and they brief them on it. But they're like, wait, I got to do that, though. The. Who's a. What's it here? How does this work? Stephen Miller came out and said, here is what has to happen for the cuts to become real and final or to come to fruition. And now that process has gone to the next step, and now you'll see. Okay, does usaid. Does the budget. Does Congress do what it's supposed to do? Does PBS get its government funding cut? I have, I think, the most perfect argument about this of anybody or, you know, anyone else is welcome to borrow it. I like to make arguments, then other people can borrow them. That's fine. I just want the truth to win. But PBS and anybody else who is getting straight up government funding as a media entity, they cannot claim simultaneously, oh, we don't really need that funding. It's only a small percentage of our budget and, comma. How dare they cut our budget? What are we going to do? This is tyranny. You are not entitled to federal funds as a media entity. This is insane. You know, imagine all of a sudden, I would just say this. Why is PBS getting money from the government? Clay and Buckshot doesn't get any money from the government. We're a capitalist enterprise. Thanks to all of you who listen and thanks to all of you who make our sponsors so successful in the campaigns we have and the partnerships we have on this show. It is thanks to you that this show exists. There's no. There's no. There's no. I mean, it would be kind of nice, I don't know, get a check for $10 million for the government. You know, we'd give. We'd give bonuses for the New York team or something out of that. Right? I mean, this is. This is the kind of thing that you sit there and you say, how has this even been able to exist as long as. As it has? And I want to get into this a little bit more on the Trump fight with Harvard, which I'll dive into in the bottom, which I think. I think this stuff is important. And there's a new addition to this, too, about foreign students from China. What's going on here? You know, were we bringing. Were we bringing the best and the brightest from Moscow to study at Caltech and MIT in, I don't know, nuclear engineering or something? Were we doing that during the Cold War? I'm not aware of it in any real numbers. I mean, there was a lot of espionage going on, but I don't think we were welcoming, you know, tens of thousands of students from Moscow to come work at high levels of sensitive. We're doing that with China. We are. We have been doing. And it's so dumb and so contra the national interest that when you say it out loud, it almost feels like, how is this. How is this possible? And then you can even take it a step further. How many Americans are getting access to the research being done by. I don't know what the top Chinese universities are, but, you know, let's just say the equivalent of University of Beijing. How many Americans are sitting in there classes learning about 5G, learning about artificial intelligence, learning about next generation of. Of microchips and what they're. I mean, supercomputers, all that. We all know the answer. Even if you don't follow the issue, you know the answer because you'd say, well, China's not that dumb, but we are. Trump comes along. This is one of his superpowers. The dumb things that we have as a country have been doing for such a long time that we just start to think that this is the way it has to be, because seems like it's always been that way. Trump comes along and says, you know, that's a dumb thing and we should stop doing it. Whether it's getting involved in foreign wars that we're not going to win and that aren't bringing any benefit to us or even the people in that country over the long term. Or it's something as straightforward as why are we educating at the highest possible levels. Insensitive. They want to study Shakespeare. Okay, I'm a little more open to it, as long as there's no Americans who are losing that spot in that school. Whole other conversation, but the top electrical engineering, top. Microprocessor, top, you know, theoretical physics, astrophysics. We're educating our biggest adversaries, students and by the way, in numbers. That would blow your mind. I actually had a conversation randomly with the guy in the Princeton University electrical engineering labs a long time ago, and he said that if they wanted to. This was a long time ago. It was back when I was just out of school. He said if they wanted to, they could take three classes or, you know, three times as many students as they have from just China with perfect, perfect scores for engineering, I mean, perfect math scores, everything. He says, you know, they don't take that many. It's not 100%, but they could because they all want to come and they take a lot of them. And that's true of a lot of these schools that needs to stop because they operate in America and they have to start seeing themselves as part of this country. They are not islands unto themselves. They do not have global tenure. So if anything, what you're seeing right now is, is Trump putting into action that very important but very straightforward theory. The dumb things that prior administrations have done that there can be no intelligent defense of, whether it is funding pbs. I know they do it because it's left wing propaganda. But there's no real defense of this, not a serious defense, not an intellectually consistent one. Or spending too much money, fraudulent stuff, sending money to people overseas, the stuff that Doge has found. Dumb. Right. We can all agree. Or training the foreign adversaries, brightest minds in the most sensitive technologies, when the wars and the economies of the future will be determined by technological prowess. Very dumb. And it is, as I said, Trump's superpower, among among several. But one of his superpowers is to come along and say, I no longer wish this country to do the things that we all know are dumb but have just kept doing with no good reason other than maybe politics or corruption. If you've received any IRS notices, don't ignore them, but don't panic either. Tax tax. Sorry, the experts at Rush Tax Resolution maybe tax birds, that's kind of cool. Rush Tax Resolution, they can help you. If you own a business and are behind on payroll taxes, the IRS has the power to shut you down, drain your bank account and come after you personally. 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Listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, one thing that I want you all to keep in mind is the Trump administration learned, I think, a very important lesson from the first at bat that Trump had. I think the Trump administration learned something really critical, and that is keep pushing and keep moving on all fronts. The first time around when they did these universal injunctions and it was a different team and they've got the seasoned crew in place now, these people all know this game. They don't have people that are like, hey, I've never done politics before and, you know, I kind of like Trump and like, oh, you can be, you know, White House communications director. Like, it's a different world. So they have brought in people who understand that if you allow the process to get bogged down and if you allow them to weaponize the process essentially to thwart the agenda, you're dead in the water. So you have to just keep going. So that's why even though this is what I do for a living and I'm every day reading, researching, reading, researching, it's tough to keep up on, oh, wait, what's the latest universal injunction? And what are they? What is this judge saying about Trump or that judge saying about Trump? Because they're not taking the approach that I think was really just more of the Republican way. Oh, we're going to do this thing. Oh, the judge is going to fight us on this. Hmm. Ok. Well, we don't want to seem like we're pushing too hard on stuff. So let's see how this goes. Is, you know, is it going to go to the appeals court? Okay, let's wait. Is the Supreme Court going to hear it? You know, and next thing you know, a year has passed and on this issue, you've allowed them to run out the clock, and that's their whole game. So much of what they did, and this was one of my great frustrations with the Russia collusion lie. People always say, oh, it wasn't successful. And I have to correct them. It wasn't totally successful in the end, I think you can argue it was defeated and shown to be a fraud. But there were costs. You know, we took casualties, so to speak, along the way in the Trump movement because they were able to make people show up for depositions and, you know, testify under oath and get lawyers and the media and, you know, and the whole thing was just kicking mud up in the air being, haha, you can't, you can't do what you were elected to do because we're, we're saying, no, we're saying, I don't hear you. La, la, la, la, I don't hear you. I'm a Democrat. You know, whatever childish nonsense they had to do, they did well this time around, the Trump team is going, okay, let's do this. Oh, universal injunction. Cool day, day two, Next day, let's do this. Oh, universal injunction. Guess what, we got something else. And this is the only way available within the system. We have to continue to play offense. So now what this means is that the, the left and the Democrats are going to be saying, look, oh, he's a dictator and he's a tyrant. Look at all these things he's doing. Because there's a lot going on. But we want there to be a lot going on. We want this movement to be happening on all these different fronts and these processes are playing out. So once again, we all want the same result on this stuff. The people that are trying to do this in this White House, they are pursuing this. I've never seen anything like this before. Most of my life in conservative media has been telling the truth about Democrats when their media outlets have altogether much bigger, you know, ecosystem and have us outgunned, so to speak. I know, you know, the biggest talk radio shows are conservative and yes, Fox is the biggest cable channel. But when you add all those, and remember now we're like the unsinkable aircraft carriers are free speech and the Democrat media is like a little dinghy. You know, beep, beep. You know, I don't think they have horns, but you know what I'm saying, Maybe don't boats have horns? Right. I'm not a boat guy, but, you know, they're not what they used to be. Right? They're, they're, they're, they're ships that, they look like the hull is dipping low, close to the water and you know, they're sputtering a little bit. It's not working the way it used to. But one of the big things that I think we had to do on the conservative side of the media was just to deal with the constant incoming. And so we were playing a lot of defense, playing a lot of defense in the Trump term, first Trump term, playing a lot of, with all the, like I said, Russia collusion stuff, right? They tried to make us play a lot of defense on the Biden. Now that didn't work as well as they had had hoped. But you know, what we see here with Trump is action. Action is its own, is its own strategy. Just keep going, just, you know, motion creates emotion, like make things happen. And that's why I think the stuff you see with the colleges, I know they say you can't do this, they say you can't do that, they say you can't deport. Ok, Trump's team is going to fight that out in court. But while that's happening in every area where the agenda can be pursued by the executive branch, they continue to go. And this is excellent. Ok, now let's talk what's going on here with Harvard. You have this, this injunction now from an Obama judge. Obama. I'm going to be honest with you. One of the smartest things, one of the most damaging things about Obama's eight years in office and I think he did horrific long term damage to the country in a whole range of ways. I think the Obama presidency was a disaster for America that has continued to do harm well beyond his eight years. So many issues, I can't get into them all now. Also, I'll address Michelle Obama now that people are seeing what she actually thinks. I don't think we're going to hear anyone talking about how she should be a presidential candidate anymore. I'll put it that way. Michelle Obama, not a grateful person and not a wise person and doesn't seem like a very nice person either. Not a surprise to some of you, but when she's on these podcasts, she's not not doing herself any favors with the, with a broader electorate, that's for sure. I mean, I'm sure there are, you know, super fans of Michelle Obama who think everything that she says is brilliant. It's not. And I think that people feel more comfortable just speaking the truth about that now than ever before. But Obama did a lot of damage to the country and Trump is trying to undo that damage. But one of the most lasting points of damage in all of this has been the seating of the federal judiciary with activists, people who just do not care. You know, call it Sotomayors because she's a, she is really the Pinnacle example of this. She just knows she's supposed to deliver for her team. Team Democrat, team left wing, team race and identity politics, you know, team wise Latina like she, she knows that she is supposed to make it happen for them in whatever. Now she's only one vote of nine. But that's every, every. She never, there's never a moment where you go, wow, Sotomayor is really angering her own side with that. How is that possible? She, she never lets the home team down. The progressive leftist, communist Democrat is never frustrated with Sotomayor. Now she, we're aware of this because of her role in the Supreme Court. There are hundreds of Sotomayors in the federal judiciary. Hundreds of them because of what Obama and Biden were able to, in Biden's case, the people around him as we know, but what they were able to accomplish. So this is a major challenge for the administration on the issue of foreign students in this country. I have objections to this on many levels. Not all foreign students. Please don't tell me. Oh, but you know, I, you know, my family, we were so close. You know, we had a foreign exchange student from Singapore and he was lovelier. We had somebody visiting our, you know, was in class at Brigham Young with my son and he was from, you know, wherever. And I know, ok, it's not that we don't want any foreigners here, that, that would be too much. But we also don't want nothing but foreigners in the top echelon of critical industries, critical academic disciplines for our economy and our national defense. And that is happening. We also don't want foreigners, non Americans of, of any kind, to be here in numbers where they get to box out essentially Americans from access to the schools that as we now all know, are getting billions of dollars of taxpayer money and they really want that money. So they're taking taxpayer dollars but they're not prioritizing Americans. You know, you start to do this, what percent of Harvard students are foreign? You start to look at these numbers and you say to yourself, 30% of Harvard are foreigners. Do you know that? 30, it's like 27, 28%. We'll just say 30% because it's basically a third, OK, a third of Harvard are foreign. So this is our most elite university, blah, blah, all that stuff. I mean Stanford and Yale people send your clays on vacation, send angry emails to him. We're supposed to sit here and say that that's okay, that's insane. That's completely preposterous. The only reason that Harvard can have all these people sitting around with tenure, including. Oh, this is beautiful. Including a professor of honesty, I kid you not, who was just fired from her tenure job at Harvard Business School for dishonesty. It's real. You can look it up. I am not making it up. And it just happened. Her expertise is whether people are honest or not. And they fired her for being dishonest about her expertise and about the data, they say. One of the highest paid professors at Harvard Business School, I might add. I mean, these are the kind of people that. I remember what this is like. Cause I was in this rat race for a while, remember, until Glenn Beck came along and saved me. I was on my way to Columbia Business School. And I don't mean I was thinking about it. I was in. I was going. And Glenn was like, buck, come work with me. You know, did his Glenn thing. I was like, yes, sir, that is a great. Let's do that thing. The Blaze, early days. Got to work with Pete Hegseth and Will Kane. And I mean, I can't even. I can't even name everybody. I mean, early days, it was just like everybody that you see on FOX now practically came through the Blaze, either as a, you know, somebody who was a guest or whatever. So it was. Those are fun days. Those are fun days. I got a lot of nostalgia about it. My point is merely, I understand this world where people are going through all this stuff. They're. They'll. They'll do anything to shove people out of the way to get into these places so they can study under a professor of honesty who's actually really dishonest. I mean, at Harvard at heart, what has happened to these places? Do I think that Harvard. I mean, you look at some of these schools, you know, they used to have, like, an ancient. Ancient Greek and Latin requirement. Requirement at some of these. At some of these universities, you look this up. I mean, the core curriculum. You actually had to be smart to go to these places and pass these classes. You know, whether it's, you know, talking about back in, I don't know, the. The 50s. I think the 60s ruined everything. Sorry, boomers. I think the 60s ruined. You know, because that's when you see to the radicals in these schools. And that's. But you go back earlier than that, and you had to actually be pretty smart at these places. You had to know my. My college, Amherst, when I went there, and it's only gotten more competitive since then. It's a small school. Those of you in the Northeast know it. The rest of the country doesn't. Know it, but because it's kind of like an insider. First of all, you can't pronounce the H. It's not Amherst. It's Amherst. Just so you know. And that's always the tell. If somebody says Amherst, it's like, oh, sweetie. Or what do you say in the South? Bless your heart. Oh, bless your heart. The whole thing was they would take, I think they had a 15% admission rate. So 100 people apply, 85 of them get sad letters home. 85 of 100 people get sad letters home. Okay. And. And I think now it's less than that. Harvard's like 1% or 2% or something insane. And there was remedial math and remedial English basically required for a big chunk of students coming in. And I'm sitting, I remember sitting here thinking, like, how, how elite can this place be when you have people who can't, you know, can't math good and, and need help on, on, you know, writing and basic reading? Like, how, how can this be an elite institution when that's like, well, this is where the left uses these places as credential factories to do social engineering in the broader society. And we all see it. So I have, I want to come back to this issue of the foreigners in schools, though, because this is also a national security thing. I'm passionate about this. I don't think this is a small thing at all. You sit there, you say, how is it that the Biden administration was putting out White House communi. Official White House communications about how 12 year olds should be able to pick their gender and get like, castration drugs? How could that have happened? Look at college campuses. It's where it all starts. That's where. That's where the disease initially the virus of left wing insanity takes hold and replicates. I will take some calls on this and dive deeper into it because I think it's super important. You know, 600 days ago, life in Israel changed forever. That's the number of days it has been since Hamas terrorists killed innocent people in Israel with reckless abandon and took hostages, many of whom have died. You and I both know how painful this has been for everyone involved. The people of Israel have appreciated the support of this audience and that of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, or ifcj. They're on the ground in Israel every day, Blessing lives in real, tangible ways. They're feeding elderly Holocaust survivors who have no one else. They're building bomb shelters to protect school children from rocket attacks. IFCJ has risen to this challenge with your help. 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It's one thing when you argue in politics and you can't have somebody who I think ends the argument one way or the other. You know, oh, would this, would this tax rate be better for growth or that tax rate? Well, you got to try one. And if you try one, you haven't done the other. But sometimes you can actually just get an authoritative voice on something who proves that one side is correct or at least more correct than the other. And on this issue of Donald Trump being able to get hostages returned, get people back who have been held by Hamas, there is, of course, this effort from the Democrats to be like, well, that's not, it's not like Trump has just managed to do that, really. Let's think this one through for a second. I've told you, Clay's told you, we've discussed many times here on the show that there is a clear preference among. You know what? Actually, let me take a step back on this. It's important. They're trying to tell you that somehow Donald Trump, who just won with this huge mandate, the guy who took a bullet in the ear and said, fight, fight, fight. The, the billionaire, global brand building impresario and entrepreneur and political phenomenon who is scared of no 1 and is doing this because at this, I mean, I thought it was clear in the first term to be clear with all of you, and I know you agree, but he's doing this because he loves the country and he thinks that he's the best man for this moment. Okay. Is it reasonable to think that the enemies of the United States don't want that guy in charge? You know who they want in charge? The guy with dementia who's not really in charge. What is the counter argument to that? What are they going to say now? Oh, yeah, you know who really makes Putin shaking his, you know, shaking his little booties? Ron Klain. He, he can't, man. Ron. Once Ron Klain gets Putin on the phone, it's, it's lights out, it's game over. Well, as we know, the Democrats have had to admit that this is something that was happening. There's no argument about this anymore. And it was because they were exposed, right? Never. They got caught. They didn't turn themselves in. The Democrats got caught on the COVID up of Biden's dementia, the debate. They got caught. They were trying to pull off the caper and they almost did. They almost did. So there is no, you know, there's like no belief that anybody should have that they're coming clean or they have some honesty here or something like that. So with that, I go back to is Trump, was Trump better positioned to bring back Americans and Israelis, bring back hostages taken by Hamas than his predecessor? Of course, we've made the argument that the answer is yes. But here you can actually have one of the hostages tell you himself that it's not just a theory, it's not just, I make the case to you the reality of Hamas because he heard them talking about it, was, oh, they really don't want this Trump guy to be in charge. Oh, we better be nice to the hostages. Now they might actually end up going home because we might get called out and the pressure might get turned up. And here is, this is freed hostage Omer Shem Tov, who was talking to CNN last night and explaining this part of the story I want you to hear. It's about a minute long play clip. Yes. It seemed he got me out. He got the ostriches out. You talked politics with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted Kamala to be elected, but as soon as Donald Trump was elected, they understood that he wants to bring the ostriches back home. Yeah. So immediately the way they treated me changed. So if it's the amount of food, I could say this, that when Trump came into, became president. Yeah. The way they treated us changed. For me personally, this is what I felt because they anticipated that a deal would come soon. Yeah. And that's when they started giving you more food. Exactly. More food. Treated me better, you know, stopped cursing me, stopped spitting on me. Trump becomes president, they stop cursing me. They stop spitting at me, they stop mistreating me. Think about what kind of powerful testimony this is about the reality of whether or not the American people on a whole range of fronts, but certainly as it pertains to our national security interests and our presence on the world stage. What could make this more clear than exactly what this now freed hostage was saying? Which is the bad. And Hamas are clearly the bad guys. And I commend the Israelis for taking as many Hamas fighters out as they can. This was their 9 11. The same way that America had a right to respond with all necessary and due force for their own security and their own preservation. The same way that we have that right. The Israelis have that right. And Hamas, you know, they. Hamas has earned every dead Hamas fighter that they have on their hands now. They. I mean, they. They wanted this. Truly, they wanted this, as we know. They love. They love death more than we love life. This is what the jihadists always say, and unfortunately it's true, but doesn't mean we can't test out the theory. And the Hamas terrorists who had captured and were holding. Who holds hostages like this? What entity? All these people are like, oh, I'm so pro Palestinian. I saw these. One of these with his band, I think it was Imagine dragons are all holding up Palestinian flags. What do they think about Hamas? I mean, they're morons, obviously. Maybe they have some catchy songs. Fine. Why do all these people have to think they have to weigh in on international politics? They know nothing. They're just complete ignoramuses. They know absolutely nothing. In fact, if anything, they're useful idiots for some of the worst people in the world, or on the world stage, like Hamas, because they approach this issue with just pure ignorance. They know nothing about what's really going on, what has gone on. But I just thought that that really hammered it home for everyone to hear a hostage say that. My actual treatment in captivity by those savages became markedly better the moment Trump won the. The day. It's clear that, oh, you know, Big Daddy Trump is coming back. No, no more Biden, you know, with the applesauce and the blanket on his knees and where am I? And you know, what is. What is that? It's. Don't ever forgive the Democrats for what they did on that. Don't ever think it's okay. Your neighbor who was so smug, so smug. I'm sure. Especially in 2020. Especially in 2021. Oh, I voted Democrat. How could you have voted for Trump? How could you have done that really? How's that all look now? It's hard to even compare Trump and Biden because it's comparing excellence with a non entity. It's really like comparing a, you know, if we're talking about combat, this is like comparing a Navy SEAL to somebody who didn't even show up for basic training. How do you compare these? There's no comparison. Biden wasn't even really. He's a puppet and now they want to act like. This is why you'll notice I try to focus a lot here on the agenda. I try to talk about the good things that Trump is doing because we can do that. Because the opposition is a joke now. We will have to take them seriously again. They're going to try to take back the House. I get it. I'm not. This is not a forever thing. But we do have a window right now where it's pretty as clear sailing as you're going to find in American politics. Trump has right now meaning, you know, we've, he has never been in a better position to get important things done. And they're doing the things. I was very frustrated in the first administration on a few things early on because, you know, they had, they had some bad personnel choices. They had a lot of notice. Think about how many stories you heard from the first term of Trump that were about disloyalty in these agencies and institutions. Stories were. I was like, every day there's another story. Oh, State Department in revolt. Like, I'm so upset. I work at the State Department and like I cry at my desk because of Trump, but I'm like, I'm thwarting his agenda every day. You know, who's the guy? What was it? The anonymous. I'm, I'm stopping Trump by, by keeping, you know, signatures off his desk and I'm important. And everyone goes, who are you? Are you bringing Trump is his Big Macs once a day or something. Like, who are you? Oh, I'm holding the republic together. I wrote an op ed in the Washington Post. I don't even, I'm being, sir, I don't even remember that guy's name. Like that actually would have been a story if it was, you know, if the person writing that editorial was like Ivanka or something. Right. I mean, if it was somebody who was close to Trump, had. I don't remember that guy's name. And now he's resistance he's like, I'm a Republican, but all I do is entertain Democrats. What. It is such a. Such a pathetic and sad political and professional existence for these people who. Their hatred of Trump has turned them into something that is respected by neither side because they're not fully on board with everything the left says, or at least they'll pretend. But they only do things to hurt their own team. What a horrible place. I couldn't do it. You could offer me whatever, you know, it doesn't. I couldn't do it. I mean, actually couldn't just wake up and say, you know, well, I'm the real Republican and I hate Trump and everybody who supports Trump is wrong. Because I. There was this. Now, that industry, I think, has dissipated a lot because the media outlets that were propping these people up are places like msnbc and their credibility is all in, you know, in smoldering as well. So, yeah, yeah, I think it's very interesting, very interesting to see how all of this plays out. And I thought that that statement from the. The person who had been taken hostage by Hamas. It's not a revelation because, you know, and I know that that stuff playing out in a million different ways is true, but to have it confirmed is always interesting. And it's just more data that we were right about this. And like I said, the case about Trump v. Biden and what that means for our interests abroad and what that means for our allies in Israel and other allies. The case is very strong. Trump v. Biden without even this. This kind of really clear data, you know, what I would consider sort of argument enders on some of these issues. And then when you add them in, you just go, what is. What is the other side even? What world are they living in? Oh, yeah, Joe Biden. What? Tony Blinken. I mean, look. Look at these people. Tony Blinken would be, you know, in over his head working in HR at some company that, you know, makes mufflers somewhere like, what is. How are these people running global foreign policy? How are these people staring down our enemies and thinking it's a joke? The whole thing was absurd. And the person who's calling the shots over them, the person who's actually supposed to be the, you know, the grand strategic mind, is not of right mind, as a matter of fact, agreed on by both sides. Yeah. Pretty important stuff. You know, most houses have gutters along the roof line. It's one sure way that rain falling on your roof gets channeled away from your home so you don't end up with water damage. Problems. That is if your gutters aren't clogged and holding all that rainwater instead. That's what you want to avoid, clogged gutters. 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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Clay's, you know, on vacation, so he's having a good time. He'll be back next week. We have much to discuss here, friends. And one thing I wanted to touch on, and I'll have to revisit this when Clay has joined us once again. But one thing that I wanted to point out is yours truly, perhaps known to some as the Buckster or as I told my wife to her, laughing at me, the mailman of radio, because I always deliver that. That didn't go. I thought it sounded cooler before I. It sounded cooler in my head, you know, but one area where I think I've been. I've been prescient, is that there was never going to be a Michelle Obama for president ticket. This is something that people have talked about for years. As you know, it has come up. I have been asked at cocktail parties, at actual cocktail parties. I don't go to many, especially now that I have a baby, but I do go to a couple here and there. You know, what about Michelle Obama? You know, this was. This was something. And as you know, Clay, I won't. I won't get into his point of view on this too much because he's not here to, to explain it himself. But Clay thought maybe too. And I've just always thought, you know, she doesn't want to do it. And I think that the more people were exposed to the actual person of Michelle Obama, not the media at really the peak of its powers, in a lot of ways, the media during the Obama era and toward the end of the Obama era was, we were really outgunned. It was the early days of social media and people didn't even realize that the whole game was rigged. Places like Twitter and Facebook, we're saying to ourselves, oh, but you know, we can get a fair shake. I mean, I knew we couldn't, but if you weren't operating on those platforms as part of your job, you would, as a conservative, you had no idea that they were all rigged. And this has become a matter of public record now. This is not something there's the, there's a debate about, thanks to Elon buying Twitter, for example, we know this stuff was rigged. So only certain messaging would really be able to get out there. And, and there was a whole bunch of ways that they were able to just sway things. But the, the way that they built a cult around Michelle Obama was truly, it was an all in all hands on deck effort by the apparatus. I mean, they, they were all in on this. And, and there was a time when if you criticized Michelle Obama, you were going to get. I remember. You know what? I'll, I'll even, I'll even cite it. My friend Will Kane, who's doing a phenomenal job, as I knew he would, always knew Will was just gonna be, you know, growing, growing, growing. You know, Will and I sat together at the real news table again. Glenn Beck's the Blaze for, I don't know, a few years. I was, I think I worked at the Blaze for like five or six years and I think three or four of them, maybe Will and I were sitting day in and day out our table together. Super talented guy, really good guy. But I remember, I think it was on C. Because he also was a CNN contributor because CNN used to have people who were conservative on. And then they stopped during Trump and now maybe they're getting back to it used to. But I think Will called out on CNN's air. Guys, see if you can find this clip. Michelle Obama held up a bring back our girls sign on social media. And this was in reference to the kidnapping by kidnapping. But I know the group, they don't have to yell. The group in my year Team. In fact, in my new book, which will be out in January, I get to talk about how yours truly kind of knew about Boko Haram before anybody else. This little teaser that. There's a little bit of. A little bit of conversation. I'm just saying. Some cool. Some. Some old school CIA stuff maybe coming up. Cleared for release. Oh, I know a lot about Boko Haram. Buckspin fuck Buck deployed to West Africa. Haven't talked about that on the show before. I don't want to get too deep into it now because you're going to have to buy the book. Everybody. Which is cleared and is coming out and I'm sorry. No, I've been talking about it forever. It took like six months for the CIA to clear this thing. It is cleared, though, and I can talk about that. I actually have some West African expertise. So. Yes, it was Boko Haram, the group. They kidnapped our. Sorry. They kidnapped these girls from a school. It was a horrible thing. Boko Haram would have been the most lethal terrorist group in the world around this period. By casualties, by deaths. They were walking suicide bombers into crowded churches in night and just, you know, kill 15 people, 30 people, 50 people. I mean, this was regularly happening. Just horrendous stuff. Jihadists aligned with Al Qaeda, you know, same worldview as Hamas. It's the truth. But Boko Haram kidnapped these girls. And Michelle Obama held up this. This bring back our girl sign administration. Right? I mean, it was. It was. I forget what year I want to say this was. 2014, if I get that right off the top of my head. That's pretty good. I think it was 2014, maybe 2015. And yeah, check that one for me, team. But it was. The whole thing was like, you're posting this on social media. Your husband's the president. Like, have him. You know, we got drones. Like, go get them. Go save them. Bring back our girls. And Will pointed and cnn. It was Don Lemon. It was Don Lemon. I remember the whole thing. Seeing Don Lemon Fl. Freaked out over this. Freaked out over this. You know? You know, how dare you? Don Lemon's a moron, but, you know, Freaked out over this. How dare you? And I just remember it's. It wasn't that Don Lemon knows nothing about. About West Africa, Boko Haram, Nigeria, anything, right? I mean, I actually don't think he. I don't mean this as exaggeration. I don't think that if you gave a map of Africa to him, he could find Nigeria on a map. I truly don't think that he could. But, yeah, now I get to tell you guys because I wasn't able to before that. My actual first portfolio before I moved to Iraq in the CIA was Africa stuff was in Africa, particularly West Africa. So, yay, get to talk about it finally. And there's more than that. It's not just, don't worry in the book, there's more than just like, so I learned about this place. Yeah, spend some time over there. But back to will. Don Lemon. Michelle Obama. This whole situation, the cult of Michelle Obama was so strong that everybody knew if you said, if she stepped into the arena, if she got political on something and you said anything, they. It was. They all attacked. Right? It was, oh, my gosh, how dare you? Oh, Michelle Obama. And it even went beyond that. It went beyond that to this bizarre. Here was I right on the year, guys, you know what I'm saying? The bring back our girls thing was a 2014. I was right. 2014. That's pretty good. You know, I'm getting old, and for me to pull 11 years ago off the top of my head, this is. This is pretty good recall. I'm just gonna say a little. Little pat on the back, maybe. I am the radio mailman. My wife is like, stop it. Like, you're just. You're just. You're not helping yourself. Gary's listening right now. She's on the road. So there was this time when you couldn't criticize Michelle Obama, and you also had to say that she was, you know, the most brilliant first lady of all time, the most beautiful first lady of all time, the most incredible, and all we would ever hear about was how wonderful she was. And if you. If you had any, even if you were like, I don't want to hear about it. You know, I don't really. It reminded me at a much lesser level, they did this with Ruth Bader Ginsburg, too. They just created this whole cult, which, by the way, kind of blew up in their faces because Ruth Bader Ginsburg refused to retire. And so, as we know, another Supreme Court seat for Trump. But they created this cult where we were watching workout videos of Ruth Bader, and adults were saying things like, wow, like, look at her throw that kettlebell around. She's like a. She's like a tiny, ancient woman who's got like a five pound weight max, maybe a two pound weight in her hands. I'm supposed, like, I'm glad that she's trying to be healthy, but I'm supposed to be impressed by this. This is insane. This is real. You can find these videos. You think I'm exaggerating, but no, no, the Buckster always knows. And on the Michelle Obama thing, I've just always been a. A doubter of not just of her running for president, but of. I think that the more people would see of Michelle Obama without the media's creation of the greatest, most beautiful, most brilliant, most perfect first lady, or really person ever, even more perfect than Barack Obama, if that was even possible. But, you know, if you worked at CBS or you worked the New York Times, that was the party line. Michelle Obama, most amazing person to have ever lived. Here she is where you get to actually learn about the real Michelle Obama. She's talking about women and giving birth to children and your. Your womb. I want you to listen in to the former first lady here on a podcast, because now she has to do podcasts, too. This is cut three. Play it. So many men have no idea about what women go through, right? We haven't been researched. We haven't been considered. And it still affects the way a lot of male lawmakers, a lot of male politicians, a lot of male religious leaders think about the issue of choice as if it's just about the fetus, the baby. But women's reproductive health is about our life. It's about this whole complicated reproductive system that does. The least of what it does is produce life. It's a very important thing that it does. Okay, okay, you heard the quote, and that was the end of the clip. I want you to hear the quote. She's a woman and she's saying the least important thing that the female reproductive system does is produce life. The least important thing. I mean, I'm trying to think of what I can say on the radio here that is so. It's a heinous thing to say. It's a stupid thing to say, but it's also a. An illuminating thing for Michelle Obama to say. Just like so much of what we have been subjected to, whether it was the Fauci worship and the CDC and the NIH and NIAD or Joe Biden sharp as attack or Trump is Hitler or whatever. Another mirage. Another mirage that I think has, as they all should, evaporated. Evaporated as the light of truth is allowed in and people can see for themselves. Michelle Obama is not bright and is not a very good person, at least when it comes to public policy. That is one of the ugliest things I've heard a person say on any podcast in a long time. Just like an expert on women. Oh, I'M a man, so I can't know about these things. The most amazing thing in my life has only been around now for forgetting when he was born, like six weeks. And my wife and I just beam with pride every day. And I know what the libs will say. Oh, Michelle Obama loves her children. And, you know, she was talking about this in the context of women's rights. Yeah. But she's on a podcast and she's sharing this point of view and what people hear is what she said. What young women who are impressionable, who have been part of the Michelle Obama cult or they've been indoctrinated into it, what they hear is the least important thing your womb will do is give life. I mean, you want to talk about perverse, evil, misery inducing. It is one of the worst things I've heard a person say in public life in a, you know, in a very long time. And it is. But I'm, I'm not surprised because Michelle, like I said, Michelle Obama, like so many. And you know, Clay has full credit to Clay. He has let what he, you know, thinks about Michelle Obama be well known on this program. But I really think that this mythology that was built around her, she should do more podcasts. Let's hear more. In fact, I have another, another clip for you that we will play so you can see the more you hear Michelle Obama actually talking about things, and I know this doesn't surprise you, but it's fun because we were right and we knew, right, you were right, I was right. We've known this all along. They created this whole mythology. The more you hear from Michelle Obama, the not only you won't be impressed because she's not impressive, the less you will like her, which is, you know, it's quite, it's quite a thing to say, but it is true. It's like the more you hear from Joe Biden, the more you knew that he wasn't all there. The more you hear from Michelle Obama, the more you'll be like, wow, this person is not running for president. And it's kind of remarkable. This person was held up in the way that she was by the media as long as she was all right. The day our son came in this world, I was just talking about it. Life changed in so many ways for Carrie and me, and all for the better. One of those changes, though, is thinking about our son's future and establishing a family trust. That type of legal document spells out exactly how we believe things should go, whether it's a trust or a will. You want to have these kinds of legal documents in place. I can't emphasize how important that is. Your will provides a clear path and direction for those members of your family working through a difficult time. 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