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Clay Travis
is the Tuesday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Lots of different news stories to be following. As is always the case. President Trump speaking right now in the Oval Office. Already Pete Hegseth and General Kane have had a press conference at the Pentagon. We will fill you in with the absolute latest there. Indiana and Ohio are voting in primary season. So if you are in Indiana and or Ohio then you need to get out and get your votes in. President Vice President J.D. vance traveled to Ohio to get his primary votes cast this morning. Also footage of that. But and, and by the way, the state of Tennessee where I am, has begun a new special session to see whether or not they can add another Republican seat to the Tennessee delegation in the wake of the Louisiana Calais case which did away effectively with redistricting based on race. So that is underway.
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Buck Sexton
Did you see the Alito slap down? Yeah, slap down of the Katanji Brown Jackson. Maybe we can delay this map. 30 Alito's like it's unconstitutional. Why would we delay it? Because we want to have the unconstitutional map for the election.
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Clay Travis
Anyway, I think it I was thinking we'd have some fun with that at some point during the course of the program because it feels to me increasingly with every one of these filings that basically everybody's just fed up with Ketanji Brown Jackson. And it is Biden's final curse. The worst four year administration that any of us have ever seen in my opinion in our lives. And the lasting legacy of it, aside from all the inflation and all of the racial antagonism, is ultimately that we now have Katanji Brown Jackson for the next 30 years. She's Biden's final curse.
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Buck Sexton
Counterpoint Mr. Clay Travis. Democrats love her. They love this. They like having somebody who has the legal knowledge and skill of your average Ms. Now Trump deranged viewer. So they think this is great. They think it's probably Biden's best thing. Side note, and I probably should even bring this up you see what Kamala's numbers are looking like these days.
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Clay Travis
Oh, she's going to be the nominee.
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Buck Sexton
This is so. This is so disappointing. This is so. Just because. Because, one, she's going to be the nominee. Two, you're going to end up being right on something which drives me completely insane. And I just. I can see this train slowly coming toward me right now. Clay's victory dance is she is going
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Clay Travis
to be the nominee because she has already begun the campaign. The numbers that continue to come out reflect that she is substantially in the lead. Gavin Newsom has already begun to fade. Everybody was talking about how brilliant he was. Oh, he's doing all these different podcasts. His wife crazy. California is a mess.
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Buck Sexton
I'm going to try to regain some. Some analytic dignity here by pointing out that I violated one of my own precepts of the foundation of the Democrat Party these days that we learned during the Biden administration, Clay, which is that it's not a candidate, it's a machine. The candidate doesn't really matter. In fact, the candidate is a figurehead for the broader Democrat, you know, mechanisms to go into place. If I had thought about that, I would not have made a foolish bet with you about Kamala, because, of course, Kamala can be the nominee. It doesn't matter. She's a Democrat, she's black, she's a woman. They'll make it happen.
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Clay Travis
That is, I. I think that is likely to be the case, unfortunately, as much as I wish it were not going to be the case. But I would say the. I think you probably sign off on this now. The number one story going forward right now is what is the price of oil and gas? Is that fair to be a rough proxy on? We've got record highs in the stock market, and I don't want to play into Democrat talking points and their obsession with the price of oil and gas, but I do think it's probably worthy of. Of analyzing right now as we speak. Crude oil futures, right around $100. They are coming down about 5% today as this news has continued to come out. Pete Hegseth says the ceasefire is not over. We expected some churn. Listen to cut one.
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Pete Hegseth
No, the ceasefire is not over. Ultimately, this is a separate and distinct project, and we expected there would be some. Some churn at the beginning, which. Which happened, and we said we would defend and defend aggressively, and we absolutely have. Iran knows that, and ultimately the President's going to make a decision whether anything were to escalate into a violation of
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Clay Travis
a cease fire here's. An idea bucket. I know the White House monitors this and they probably have discussed it somewhat. I think there is an argument and I will make it, and I believe it is actually a good argument. I think if President Trump went out and said, the United States is going to ensure the fair transit of the ships in the Strait of Hormuz by actually giving insurance to all of the ship owners that are on this in the Strait of Hormuz. Let me explain what I mean by that. That means if your ship gets hit and it goes under, the United States will help to pay the $100 million value of your ship and cargo. And some of you are going to say, well, I don't like the United States taking on this obligation. I would suggest to you that the price of oil and gas would drop almost $20 overnight if the United States said that and if the free flow of goods began again in the Strait of Hormuz, which means the cost of us making that insurance guarantee would actually be overwhelmingly paid for in the collapse of oil and gas prices. I think it would be a smart strategic move. It also then allies the United States on the side of commerce. And I think Buck automatically sort of labels Iran then as the terrorist actor, because if they are going to attack any of these ships, we have established we want free and fair passage of them. I would not include Iran in that, in that guarantee right now until the peace agreement happens. But every non Iranian flag ship, we can make the determination on it. We would provide insurance to and free support for them to transit the Strait of Hormuz. Crazy idea. Good idea.
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Pete Hegseth
Where?
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Clay Travis
How do you assess it?
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Buck Sexton
You need someone to pilot the ship, Clay? I don't think they care that much that there's insurance. If they're worried they're going to get blown up or shot or captured.
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Clay Travis
Oh, so you think. I think the pilots will go, oh, I think. You don't think so.
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Buck Sexton
There was just a South Korean vessel attacked, what, in the last 48 hours? Let me put it to you this way. If you're the captain of an oil tanker right now that's about to go in there, are you like, well, Lloyd's of London has my back, so no problem.
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Clay Travis
I think if your boss said, hey, I want you to go, I think probably they go, wow. So I think the owners of the
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Buck Sexton
ship, you're a model employee. Well, I would not.
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Clay Travis
The. The owners of the ships, I think, are concerned primarily about the safety of the physical cargo, and I think the
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Buck Sexton
crew is concerned about the safety of the car.
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Clay Travis
You Think the crew. You think the crew would mutiny, basically, and say, we're not going to.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, dude, for sure.
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Clay Travis
Yes.
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Daniel Perez
Okay.
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Buck Sexton
Absolutely.
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Clay Travis
I don't know. I. I think that a lot of
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Buck Sexton
these seals who are piloting these, they're not like. They're not.
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Clay Travis
I think a lot of these guys. I think a lot of these guys are probably going borderline insane, like cooling their heels in the there. Maybe you have to give them hazard pay in order to take the risk. Buck guys get on the deadliest Catch I've. I used to watch that show. You couldn't pay me enough money to strap in and frigid seas and try to drag lobster out of the ocean. If you pay people enough money, they will basically take a risk to do anything.
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Buck Sexton
First of all, Tennessee man crab. Not lobster.
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Clay Travis
Lobsters.
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Buck Sexton
The Northeastern. Look at this. Look at this guy.
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Clay Travis
Everybody.
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Buck Sexton
You see this? Lobsters off of crab.
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Clay Travis
Lobster. I don't want to be on any ship that I could fall off. There's no amount of money you could pay me to go out in cold water and try to drag in. Try to drag in crustaceans.
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Buck Sexton
All right, so point one, Tennessee man, stick to cobbler. Point two, I think you are forgetting how much the risk factor is for people that are now you might say, well, it's only one ship that's attacking. Yeah, but who wants to. Who wants to be. There's a reason we had to have this whole anti piracy program off of Somalia as long as we did. Because they were. And everyone's seen what's. What's the, you know, what's the movie? Not. Not Captain.
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Clay Travis
Oh, the I'm the pirate now thing.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, yeah, I'm the captain now. We all know that line. I can't remember the name. Anyway, there's a reason we have that. It's like Captain Smith or something. Whatever it is.
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Clay Travis
That's Tom Hanks, right?
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Buck Sexton
Captain Phillips. I said Smith. Captain Phillips. Same idea. Look, here's what Trump says about the ceasefire.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
We should.
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Buck Sexton
We just. He just said this a few minutes ago. So you're getting the most updated. Clay's like, get some insurance. Man up.
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Clay Travis
I think, I think if we insured the boats, the evil profit focused owners of the boat would just say, I, I hope you're out.
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Buck Sexton
I, I hope. You know, I hope everybody who works for Clay and sports media is hearing this. He's like, sometimes we gotta lose a few good guys to make a buck.
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Clay Travis
No big deal. I gotta say, it's true. It's true. As the awful boss. I mean, you Know, if, If. If the Super Bowl. We lose a couple of people at the super bowl, it happens. You got to be there to cover the Super Bowl.
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Buck Sexton
He's like, you know, a stampede here, a stampede there. All right, this is cut 30 Trump moments ago. Play it.
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Donald Trump
Well, you'll find out, because I'll let you know. They know what to do, and they know what to do, and they know what not to do, more importantly, actually. And, you know, they fired them in little boats with peashooters. You know, the peashooters.
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Daniel Perez
Little boat with a little. You know why?
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Donald Trump
Because they don't have any boats anymore. Their navy is comprised of. They call them little boats. And they're fast. They're so fast that they had eight of them, and they're all gone. And they're fast, but they're not fast like a missile. A missile is slightly faster. They're all gone. So they're looking around for little boats to try and compete with our great navy. We have a navy. That's unbelievable. You know, we set up a blockade, as you know very well. Not one ship. A couple tried, and they got their engine shut out.
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Buck Sexton
So you got 10 to 20 boats going through the Strait of Hormuz, I think, as of May 5, it says here. So usually it's like 100 to 150, so it's way down. So some ships are going to. So some of them are willing to run the. Run the risk. But this is a 90. 90%, give or take drop from normal levels. So it ain't open yet. Not really. 90% drop is not open, right?
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Clay Travis
No, no, no. I mean. And again, I'm trying to think of, you may be right, that the crews are going to mutiny and they won't go. I actually think that most of the hang up is not as much fear of bodily injury, although it's an interesting thing to think about. If the crew just says, up, sorry, we're not going. I think it's the fear of the. The. The ships themselves being attacked. And if we.
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Buck Sexton
People on those ships. So if you're afraid of the ship being attacked, that means that people could get shot. Clays, but Clays, really?
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Daniel Perez
Do you.
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Buck Sexton
Do you. Do you put on a top hat and a monocle when you do this analysis?
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Clay Travis
I think. I think if you pay those. Look again, if you pay the guys and you say, hey, I don't know what the average ship. Ship mate on one of these tankers makes. Let's say you just said, hey, we Gotta get this thing out. We want commerce moving. We need. I'll give you each more 50k to take the risk. I think most would go. Here's the bigger concern I have about this though, Buck. Everybody's talking about the ships leaving. My question is, who's going to bring their ship back? Because if I get my ship out of the Strait of Hormuz and it has been stuck there for a couple of months, why in the world am I going to take my ship back back in and risk again that it could be stuck there? There's any number of global shipping routes that they could go on. So I think while the focus is. And my. My solution for the insurance gets those ships out and gets the commerce moving out, I don't know who's going in. And that's the biggest issue I think, going forward. Because you get out, however many hundreds, couple hundred ships are backed up right there, you get all that out. That's good. But it doesn't solve the issue because I'm not taking my shit back in there.
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Buck Sexton
Well, I think you're totally right about this. There's a huge difference between. I think it's quiet enough, we can get out of here. That, that is a risk versus maybe we should finish our run, come back and see how that goes.
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Clay Travis
That's a whole. That's where. That's where crewman Clay would say, hey, I'll. I'll take the extra pay to get out. I'm not taking the extra pay to go back because I might get stuck in there for a couple of months. And here's the other thing. You're having to pay all of these guys, probably hazard pay, while they're just sitting cooling their heels up from Iran, waiting. You know, you look at the. The ship tracking and how much money
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Buck Sexton
to get to get a Clay and Buck show from a Deadliest Catch ship in like the Bering Strait. It would have to be. They would have to pay me. It would be crazy money, you know what I'm saying? It would ha. It would have to be like, I don't know. It's because that would.
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Clay Travis
In order. Sorry, what particular job. I wouldn't get on a boat to run the straight for? I mean, you'd have to give me like a couple hundred million dollars.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah.
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Clay Travis
I mean, I'm not risking. I'm not risking my life because I'm not a ship guy. But if I were a ship guy, like, the ship guys are crazy, right? I mean, to their credit, I love this.
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Buck Sexton
He's just. He's just like, you know, no big deal guys. Just see if the missile hits you. All right, we'll come back to this here in a second. If we have any people that know about shipping and from this world, please weigh in with your thoughts on this one. If you ever worked on a container ship or you've been a captain of one. Okay, let's talk about something really important here for a second. Tunnel to Towers Foundation Born on America's darkest day of 9 11, the Tunnel to Towers foundation has been helping America's heroes ever since. Heroes like United States Army Specialist Anthony Vargas. After 9 11, Anthony's patriotism drove him to enlist in the army. He served honorably and dreamed of one day being in the nypd. But while on deployment, Anthony was killed instantly when an IED detonated near his unit. He left behind his wife Louisa, their children and his siblings. In this 25th anniversary year of 9 11, we remember Anthony's service, sacrifice and lasting impact of America's darkest day. Tunnelta Towers honored his memory by paying off the Vargas family's mortgage, giving his family a stable forever home. Help more families like the Vargas's. Your donation today can make a world of difference, bringing hope and security to those who gave everything. Donate $11 a month and amplify your impact with a car or land donation. Go to t2t.org that's tthenumber2t.org looking for
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back in here to Clay Ann Buck VIP email from west right out of the gate. Clay, you told us you were going to swim Alcatraz this July. That's only a few months away. Am I hearing your hearing you correctly? Are you squiggling out of it already? Question mark
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Clay Travis
yes.
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Buck Sexton
At least he's honest.
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Clay Travis
I could. Now I'm going to take a couple of things here. One, I have not trained. Two, Laura is actually concerned that I might get eaten by a shark and it's really kind of gotten in my head that I might get eaten by a shark. And Buck sharing that story about the woman doing the triathlon getting eaten by the shark.
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Daniel Perez
Shark.
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Clay Travis
If there is a way she was
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Buck Sexton
bitten, she wasn't eaten. Important distinction. She got bitten by the shark off the west coast of California during the Catalina. She didn't get eaten.
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Clay Travis
She died.
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Buck Sexton
No, she's a bite. It was a little nibble. A little like hey, what's going on?
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Clay Travis
I I, the shark thing is in my head and I can't shake it.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, I don't know if an eight foot great white shark takes like a little nibble, but like she lived, she did live here.
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Clay Travis
Here is. Here is my potential compromise. There is very safe in the US Virgin Islands. There is a one and a quarter mile swim across the bay in Megan's Bay. I used to live overlooking it when I was down there over the holiday. I was looking at that and I was thinking now granted it's warmer, but it's still a mile and a quarter. And I feel like I could prove that I could swim that mile and a quarter without being attacked by.
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Buck Sexton
I'm sorry, in your bath temperature water under a beautiful sun, do they give you a back rub while you're doing it?
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Clay Travis
This is preposterous.
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Clay Travis
Most of the people that believed I could not do it was about the distance more than it was about the temperature of the water. I mean, I was going to be in a wetsuit. Nice warm wetsuit.
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Clay Travis
I appreciate the. The call. I feel very confident that I could do it and I'm willing to do it in a way that does not put me at risk of being eaten by a shark. If we. I'll contemplate a way to do that.
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Buck Sexton
I'm going to let Tom and Tampa bail you out here. He's on the lines live. Tom, what's going on?
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
Hey, Clay.
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Daniel Perez
Clam.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
Buck. Listen, I just wanted to hitchhike on Clay's comments about the. The insurance thing. There is definitely some legs there, but I think it's important to understand a little history. Lloyd's of London is the insurer of last resort, as you guys know. But it's important to understand some history in the 337 years of Lloyd's of London on the high seas insuring vessels. This is the first time in history, even the Yom Kippur War, which you would probably know about, Buck, because of CIA. Even the Yom Kippur War boys of London still insured. So for this to work, each loss of a tanker at the bottom of the sea, including the cost of a tanker and assuming a 345,000 barrel of oil to the largest tanker you can do is about $35 million.
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Daniel Perez
So the.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
So the asterisk to Clay's idea is that the US would literally have to take over Lloyd's position as the insurer of last resort. And I don't know, Clay, you're an attorney. I don't know the legal machinations of that. But the idea has legs. But we. But the problem is Lloyd, as I understand it for the first time in history is refusing to insure everybody going through there. That is the real issue. And I think, I don't think anybody's really talking about that.
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Clay Travis
No, look, Tom, I should have explained a little bit more this. Yeah, you're exactly right. My idea on insuring is predicated on many of the current insurers are saying they will not insure these boats. Your math is a good one there. I would say $35 million for a tanker if it went to the bottom of the sea. That's like not even what a Somali daycare makes from our government.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
So.
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Clay Travis
So the overall cost here, my point is, and we'll talk about this a bit more, because I do think, I think it's an intriguing idea, the overall cost would immediately vanish in terms of the premium on oil and gas. We would get back far more than we would be ensuring, in my opinion. And it would, I think, immediately knock $20 off a bear cost of a barrel of oil and gas, which would overwhelmingly make gas prices more affordable here. Makes it a net positive for us to.
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Buck Sexton
Second hour of clay and buck kicks off right now. We'll have some updates for you on Tennessee redistricting battle, which is underway. Also, more from Trump at the White House, not just on Iran, but on the economy, on tariffs. Presidential fitness test. I hope it's age bracketed. Right? Because I was like, I don't know.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
What.
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Daniel Perez
I don't know.
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Buck Sexton
Could I pass this thing right now?
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Buck Sexton
We got to look at this thing. I don't want to make any promises.
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Clay Travis
Believe you never did the presidential fitness test. I don't. I thought everybody had to do this back in the day.
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Buck Sexton
Clay. My high school, if you gathered together, all of the kids who were getting wedgies and were like, I'm the valedictorian getting shoved in a locker. That was my high school. Not a lot of presidential fitness tests going on there. And let's see, we've got more.
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Clay Travis
I remember it primarily in elementary school school, but. But I'm sure it was elementary school version. Oh, yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Oh, we definitely didn't do it in elementary school.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, yeah. Like young kids stuff.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah. I've always said the best thing that we had when I was growing up in elementary school at St. David's in
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Clay Travis
New York City was mandatory.
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Buck Sexton
And just hear me out. Mandatory wrestling starting in first grade. And we really. And they actually really taught us. And it was. And then we had to wrestle. You didn't have a choice. It was like part of our PE program, basically. And if you were good enough, you had to wrestle in front of the whole school. And it was like it was Like Royal Rumble stuff in the third, fourth grade. And you didn't want to get punked. Like, you didn't want to look like a little, you know, some kind of dancing daisy out there. So you had to, you had to be ready to throw down and, and yeah, it was, it was good. And then later on in life, you're like, you basically have the, the, you have the basics of grappling taught you. Clay. Can I tell you what's funny about it, though? About five years after I graduated, talking about grammar school, they got rid of it because parents complained that it was too violent. So us Xennials, Gen X, millennials, early millennials, we're a little more hardcore. You get a little bit older and all of a sudden they're like, eh, Gen Z was like, eh, my shoulder hurts. So I'm just saying, Gen Z, you gotta, you gotta toughen up a little bit.
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Clay Travis
Gen X continues to save the world, but that's a whole nother discussion. Are you generation.
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Buck Sexton
I can't.
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Clay Travis
Yeah, you're the oldest millennial, basically, right?
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Buck Sexton
The oldest you can be and be considered a millennial. Yeah. So I'm. People call it a zennial, like a Gen X millennial. So I'm as old as you be. I wanted to just get this out there because we were talking animals before crocodiles. Some of you are like, stop it. Talk about, talk about taxes and Trump and the agenda. And I hear you, and we're going to get to that. But also some of you are like, let's talk about animals.
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Clay Travis
Way more popular. This is what the data reflects. I guarantee you the spike. As soon as you said, like, somebody got killed by a crocodile in South Africa and there were six shoes inside, there's not one radio that went off, everybody's like, spiked. This is what the data reflects. Yeah.
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Buck Sexton
Joint Chiefs. Ok. This is a real thing in the news. I'm not making this up. Clay mentioned yesterday dolphins possibly being deployed by Iran. There's some news reporting on this. I'm just bringing you the news, everybody.
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Clay Travis
I don't make the news. I report. Wall Street Journal reported that Iran had threatened us with mine laying dolphins in. And I read. I mean, I took a picture because I knew people were going to think I'm crazy. I took a picture and then I highlighted it, which is about as good as I can do on my phone, tech wise. And then I tweeted it out because I'm like, things are probably not going great for Iran if they're threatening us with dolphins and mines. But this was a real thing.
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Buck Sexton
Also these sick sons of guns, like leave the dolphins out of it, you know. They're actually considered, I believe one of the five most intelligent animals on earth when they measure animal intelligence, which is a tough thing to do in a lot of ways. But one of the ways, and keep in mind killer whales. People talk about how freakishly smart they are. They're just large, they're just really big dolphins. They're actually technically not whales. They're in the dolphin family. We just call them whales because they're so large. So now think about that. And also interesting that killer whales can kill great white sharks. Can even remove their liver which is with like an incision. I don't even know how the heck that happens. And I've never once in the wild never once attacked a human being. Mistaken a human being for a seal. Gives you a sense of the difference in intelligence between sharks, which to Clay's point will sometimes mistake us for seals. At least that's what we believe the great white shark attacks are often the result of. Killer whales are like. No, that's Clay Travis, look at him. Clay, you've been in the gym lately. You know the, the great white. I mean the killer whales are a whole other level of intelligence. But dolphins obviously chimpanzees and some of the great apes, they call them chimpanzees. And then actually orangutans are the very top of the animal intelligence scale. Dolphins slash killer whales super high on that. There are people who say that crows are freakishly smart too, which you would not expect. Crows and ravens in the bird family. But they have a particularly high intelligence for an animal that you wouldn't expect with given the size of their brain. Ok, I'm getting weird here. Point is, Joint Chiefs chairman was asked about, about this whole dolphins thing. Pete Hegseth was at the conference too. Obviously Secretary of War cut to play it.
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Daniel Perez
I haven't heard the kamikaze dolphins.
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Buck Sexton
And it's like sharks with LA beams, right.
- [32:14]
Pete Hegseth
And I can't confirm or deny whether we have kamikaze dolphins, but I can confirm they don't.
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Buck Sexton
I can confirm that there was the Soviets at one point I believe were experimenting with kamikaze dolphins. I think that was a thing Soviet era trying to train Clay. And here is to laser beams. This is from Austin Powers Play three. You know, I have one simple request and that is to have sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads. Now, evidently my cycloptic colleague informs me that that can't be done. Can you remind me what I pay you people for? Honestly, throw me a bone here. What do we have? Sea bass? Clay, Dr. Evil couldn't get sharks with laser beams. I don't think the Iranians can get dolphins with explosives attached to them.
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Clay Travis
I'm pretty confident it is probably a sign that things are not going great for Iran that they have no air force, they have no military, really in terms of navy. And President Trump said today we basically wiped out all the small boat fleet that they might have as well. And now according to the Wall Street Journal, and that was a couple of days ago, they were threatening us with dolphins that might have bombs on them. And this all comes back to. Look, I mean, you and I, I think, are correct in saying that the price of oil and gas right now is the number one story domestically. Is that fair to say? I know we got a lot of primaries. We want you to go vote in Indiana and Ohio. Redistricting continues to be a story, but in terms of how people feel, I think the number one story is affordability. And the number one way that people determine to a large extent affordability is what does it cost to fill up oil and gas tanks. And so this is where my talking about the insurance idea for the United States being the insurer of choice when it comes to the straight of four moves. I was just looking at a map during the commercial, the end of the hour break that we had. Buck. Most of these tankers right now are basically just parked off the coast of Dubai. There are hundreds of tankers that are just anchored off the coast of Dubai and they are all sitting there because the risk from their perspective of going through the strait is too high right now.
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Buck Sexton
And you think that if we changed the insurance carrier, they would be willing to just go.
- [34:54]
Clay Travis
I think that there are.
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Buck Sexton
That's bullshit.
- [34:57]
Clay Travis
I do. And I understand some people think that's crazy, but I'm trying to look at it as a rational business based decision. The ship that is not moving is costing all of these companies a substantial dollar figure. And so if you're just parked off the coaster. So my belief is if there were a worst case scenario removed, and this is from a business perspective, not a life perspective, although I don't want anybody to die as well. But the worst case scenario from a business perspective. Thank you very.
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Buck Sexton
That's very good of you, by the way. I'm glad you said that. You know, even light them up. Linda is like Clay slow Down, buddy.
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Clay Travis
The worst case scenario from a business perspective is ship gets attacked, it sinks. And you had a caller who I thought did a good job breaking it down. Cargo, what's it worth? What's the ship worth? And so the insurance, to me, if you knew, worst case scenario, we're going to be able to be compensated for the value of that ship. Right? Now, my understanding, Buck, is that many insurers, as that call just said, have notified the bank and. And the owners of these ships and said, we are not going to pay in the event that something happens to your ship. A lot of these. And I used to work on some of these contracts, a lot of these contracts have war clauses in them and risk clauses in them. And your insurer will notify you and say, hey, this is a risk that we are not willing to take on. If you go and something bad happens, that's on you. I think if you told these owners, hey, we will protect you, they would take it. Now, the challenge.
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Buck Sexton
What insurer? What insurer? Clay, hold on. I'm hearing you out on this, but I think it's a little crazy. What insurer is going to insure the boats? If they say, okay, we're insured, they go and one of them gets blown up.
- [36:56]
Clay Travis
No, it's the United States. That's what I'm saying.
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Buck Sexton
Who's going to step in then?
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Clay Travis
We are publicly saying to all of these ship owners, we will insure your boat. So if your boat is. If your boat is sunk and attacked, then the United States, the full faith and credit of the United States backbenches it. My argument is that if we do that, oil and gas prices will immediately overnight drop about 20 bucks.
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Buck Sexton
Yes, but what happens when a ship gets blown up? Where do oil and gas prices go then? What ships are. What ships are going to want to go through after one of them is at the bottom of the strait.
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Clay Travis
Well, I think if we guarantee $50 million in payment to all of the ships, then I think a lot of the ship owners will go. I think they'll go.
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
I.
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Clay Travis
Do we have any ship owners who can verify that? My. Do we have any ship owners out there that will verify my idea on this? Look, there are different. Now, my concern is if you want me to. To play this out. Yes, a ship could get sunk. That's not ideal. So far that hasn't happened. So far that hasn't happened.
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Buck Sexton
He's. He's so blase about this. He's like ecological disaster. Oil everywhere, the whole streets.
- [38:13]
Clay Travis
No big deal. Ships sink all the time. If Iran sinks a ship, you remember. Hey, hold on. All the time. I mean, I lived in the Caribbean. There's ships everywhere. I mean, this is. Read a history book.
- [38:28]
Buck Sexton
We're not talking about a pleasure yacht with three spring breakers on it. We're talking about an oil tank.
- [38:33]
Clay Travis
When the cruise ship hit the coral off the coast of Italy, it was like a $400 million ship. Yeah.
- [38:40]
Buck Sexton
And the guy called him and he was like, get the back of two of your ship. What are you doing?
- [38:44]
Clay Travis
I mean, I. That was probably the worst thing that's ever happened to a cruise ship. They're like, what. What's the worst thing that could happen? Your moron captain could hit coral and sink the whole thing. I mean, I'm not counting. You don't want.
- [38:55]
Buck Sexton
You don't want one of the Super Mario brothers to be the one in charge of your ship. That's what you.
- [38:59]
Clay Travis
Not a good idea. But the ship risk is. Is why I think no one is going to. So I think if we took the financial risk away that you would go. And honestly, if Iran then hits a ship, right. If they attack a ship and they create an ecological disaster, that's not good. But also, even the environmentalist would then be on the side of Trump because Trump's going to be saving all the animals. And Iran has just polluted the entire. The entire Strait of Hormuz with oil and gas. So I think we are creating a situation where Iran is clearly the terror actor if we're saying we want commerce to occur. Now, my concern is still, once the ships leave, they don't go back. And that then creates a. A larger issue, because the whole point of the strait existing is for people to go direction.
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Buck Sexton
That is kind of the whole issue, Clay, because just if we get the ships to go once, that's almost like a rescue operation. The point is they need to be willing to come back. If they're not willing to come back, the straits not open.
- [40:10]
Clay Travis
But I think we buy ourselves a lot of time economically if that. If those ships are able to come through, oil and gas drops 20 bucks overnight, and we then have a full month probably before most of those ships are completing their. Their transit and have to make a decision, okay, where do we go get oil and gas next? And my hope would be that we can start to produce more oil and gas in many parts of the country. I was reading about Venezuela right now. Things are going really well. Every company is now flooding into Venezuela. How much more can we increase production there? How much more can we increase production in the United States. UAE has said we're going to drop out of opec, meaning they can produce more. That's the story there. I'm just telling. I'm trying to solve the energy issue in America and I think my insurance idea has some legs here.
- [41:03]
Buck Sexton
I wish we could get you on like the little handheld radio that the captains of the ships always have and have you give a little pep talk to all these tankers. Be like, look, not all of you are going to make it, but price of gas going to go down 20 bucks overnight if a few of you do. So have at it, boys.
- [41:21]
Clay Travis
We got a bunch of callers who want to weigh in on this too, because I think this is a brilliant idea. Sometimes the line between genius and. And insanity, as many people know, is a very fine one.
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Buck Sexton
Welcome back into Klay and Buck. First time on the program we are joined by Daniel Perez. He's speaker of the Florida House of Representatives. He's the third Cuban American speaker of the Florida House. We have some stuff we want to talk to Speaker Perez about right now. Thank you so much for being here sir. Good to have you on.
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Daniel Perez
It's my pleasure. How are you?
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Buck Sexton
We're good. So let's jump into it. We got a couple things here. First off, we have a little bit of foreign business, and then we want to talk to you about some Florida business. You are Cuban American. You are certainly tied in here as my near neighbor in South Florida to the Cuban American community right now. There's not a lot of attention. Trump mentions it sometimes from the White House that he's got plans for Cuba. What is the situation of the island and where do you think the administration should go with this as it pertains to Cuba?
- [46:05]
Daniel Perez
Well, look, it might not be on the national spotlight consistently, but it is down here in Miami. And we're, we're a diverse community down here. But obviously, as you know, mostly Cuban Americans or Cubans that have to leave the island. My parents included. My parents had to leave in 1969. The revolution took over in 1959, and since then, the island has been decimated by this regime that has taken away human rights, amongst many other things, from the people of Cuba. Where we stand today is Cuba is at an all time low. There is no oil, there is no energy, there is no food, there is no health care. There is absolutely nothing on that island. You have to think about it for a second. For someone to be willing to get on a raft and swim 90 miles with nothing but a compass in the middle of the night, how dire does the situation have to be? And we've had, we've had thousands of people risking their lives in that exact situation for almost 100 years. And so where we stand here in Miami, and I know that I speak on behalf of all Cuban Americans, where we stand is it's time for this regime to pick up their bag and get the hell out of town. Because that is land that belonged to the Cuban people well before they went in there and took it away. What Trump will do with this is up in the air. And we have some of the greatest advocates having this conversation on behalf of the United States and on behalf of all Cuban Americans. And obviously that's led by Secretary Marco Rubio, who's one of our own and was the first Cuban American to be speaker of the House in Florida.
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Clay Travis
What do you think Marco Rubio is telling President Trump? Obviously, Secretary of State, I saw that he was also, in addition to all the other jobs that he has, acting as a deejay at a Miami party wedding over the weekend. What do you think Marco Rubio is telling President Trump right now? And what does a solution look like from your perspective?
- [47:53]
Daniel Perez
And by the way, I did see that video of him DJing at a wedding. The man can the man can do it on. Can you do it all? If only he can play a little bit of quarterback, the Dolphins could use him. And I'd like. But look, I think that the. The solution here has been consistent, and that is pressure. You have to absolutely squeeze the neck of this monster and you have to cut the head off the snake. It's the only way that you can succeed. And I think that's exactly what President Trump and Secretary Rubio are doing. The sanctions have to double down. The flights have to stop. The money going into the island has to stop. And the problem that you have is many, many Cuban Americans that are here today say, well, I still have family there, and I still want to send resources there. And what the regime has done. And this is. You know, it's. It's disgusting, but what the regime has done is they have now replied to the United States by saying, we are going to open up enterprise. We are going to open up free market in Cuba so that Cubans can open up a restaurant, a store, a supermarket, and actually have interstate commerce amongst Cubans. To be quite frank, that's crap. That's not true. Because the way that the Cuban government works is in order for you to go ahead and open up, say, a restaurant, a certain percentage has to be paid into the government's pocket of profit before you can even actually open those doors or run those doors. So there is no free market. There is no capitalism. There is no competition. It is all owned by one umbrella, patriarch entity that's owned by the Cuban government. And from there, the smaller enterprises are able to, quote, unquote, open up their own businesses. But that's bullcrap. None of them are actually able to have their own business. But it's a facade that the regime has put in place in order to appease the. The problem that they have is that the Americans, led by Secretary Rubio, know the truth. And so what I expect Secretary Rubio and the President to do is to continue to squeeze the neck as tight as they can until the Cuban people themselves have finally realized, we are done. We are done starving. We are done having to listen to this regime that has taken away our own freedom. It is time to act, and hopefully that happens sooner rather than later.
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Buck Sexton
We're speaking to Daniel Perez, speaker of the Florida House. Something related to all this, of course, we also have down here in South Florida a very large Venezuelan American population. Now, the situation in Venezuela, Mr. Speaker, seems like it is trending in the right direction. Delsey Rodriguez is in charge. After the capture of Maduro sounds like she's at least playing ball with America in a way that is encouraging. What do you see and what's that looking like for the Venezuelan American community?
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Daniel Perez
Well, first and foremost, I think the president deserves a lot of credit for making the tough decision, which was the right decision and that was taken on Nicolas Maduro. That was the right decision that I don't think any other president would have had the courage to do. And so I think that has to be mentioned first and foremost. As far as the current state of Venezuela, Venezuela today is in a way, way more prosperous situation than they were a year ago. I don't think anyone can debate that. The Venezuelans can't debate that. I mean, they are in a phenomenal place. Their economy is booming like never before. And all of that credit goes to Secretary Rubio and President Trump. Here's my concern with Venezuela. My concern with Venezuela was a comment that was made by Delsey in the last, I say, seven or eight days when she was asked on when is the next election to duly elect, based on a democratic provision, the next president of Venezuela. And her response was, I don't know when that's going to happen. And that's concerning because without fair and accurate and open elections, then eventually they'll just go back to what they know best, which is that socialist ideology that got them in this place to begin with. That started with Hugo Chavez and eventually was ran by Nicolas Maduro and potentially by Delphi. Unless we have free and fair elections to eventually put a new leader in Venezuela that can have a true democracy and bring capitalism back to this country. I have no doubt that Secretary Rubio and President Trump aren't going to allow her to get away with that and elections will have to take place. But what I didn't like is it was the first time that I saw her not in line with what the American vision is. We care about our elections. We, we are so we treat our right to vote, our civil right to vote as such a sacred opportunity. And in the rest of the world, they don't see it the same way. Our hope is that Venezuelans and really Delsy sees it the same way. And I have no doubt that the president and secretary are going to get her there. But that first response was something that wasn't music to my ears.
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Clay Travis
Tell us about the new map. I know that the Florida House and the Florida Senate have put in place a new map that that certainly is going to potentially lead to more Republican seats. What should we know about that map and what do you anticipate the result of the map will be?
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Daniel Perez
Well, so this is a map that was passed by the House and eventually passed by the Senate and recently signed by the governor. It was a map that was drawn by the governor. I don't want to speak on behalf of the governor's office, but they were the ones that drew it. But I don't think this was a map drawn on trying give certain seats to certain parties or certain parts of the state. I just think that, you know, we believe based on the recent court rulings that we have an opportunity to have a conversation on redistricting, on a mid decade redistricting. And so that's exactly what we did. You know, where that ends up. I guess only the voters will be able to tell us on how many seats may go, may go one way or another. And we won't know that until November. But you know, I think that we did our job. I think the last redistricting cycle was under a census that may have potentially been flawed. And Florida has had an influx of people moving here really because of the way that we've been running our government for decades. I think, you know, it's very easy for elected officials today to take credit for the prosperous economy that Florida has. But you know, we have to take this back for decades. You have to talk about a Governor Bush, you have to talk about a Governor Scott. Those were the ones that kind of started putting the wheels in motion. When you talk about Rick Scott and the amount of jobs that he brought into the state, that was unprecedented. We haven't seen it since. As a matter of fact, right now our job, our unemployment rate is going up in the state of Florida. That never happened under Rick Scott. And so, you know, I think that sometimes people want to focus on the now, but I always have to give credit to how we got here. And so now we're in this place to where a lot of people are moving to Florida. They want to live here. Obviously our tax structure is one of the best in the country. We have a great economy and so people want to be here. So I think us having the conversation on redistricting was the right one. And I applaud the governor for drawing the map and, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of lawsuits down the pipeline and we'll see where this ends up.
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Clay Travis
You're ahead of the Florida House, but Buck and I saw you most recently at the Indiana Miami game where Indiana won the national title. You mentioned the Dolphins. Who are you more optimistic about? The Miami Hurricanes or the Miami Dolphins?
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Daniel Perez
Well, here I have a problem with this question because I'm a Miami kid that went to Florida State and so I'm rooting for the Seminoles every day
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Tom (Caller/Expert)
of the week, no matter what.
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Clay Travis
All right, well, let me start you with that. Who are you? This is even a better question. This is a better question. Who is going to win a title first, Florida State or Miami? Will Florida State be in the playoffs or Miami, The Dolphins be in the play? I'm not even going to ask about Super Bowl. Poor Miami Dolphin fans. You guys are still pining for Dan Marino. But. But who will make the playoffs first, the Dolphins or the Seminoles?
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Daniel Perez
I'm going with the Seminoles, but damn, they both stink right now. We have no hope. Neither team has hope. I think the Dolphins are going to have a rough season, but we're hoping for the best. Like, you know, Steve Ross does a great job of owning the team and he's put some money into the team and hopefully he can turn it around with the new management there. But, but I'm a Seminole at Harden. I'm a believer in Mike Norvell. I just, I love football across the board, but there's absolutely nothing like watching college football on a Saturday morning. But it's better when the Seminoles are winning, in my opinion.
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Buck Sexton
I think you and Clay just became best friends. Daniel Perez, speaker of the Florida House of Representatives hey man, come back because we want to talk to you about more Florida business and also as the Cuba situation unfolds. But thanks for being here.
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Daniel Perez
Take care, guys.
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Clay Travis
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Martha Stewart
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