Daily Review With Clay and Buck - Nov 10 2025

Summary

Verdict with Ted Cruz Daily Review With Clay and Buck – November 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this crossover edition, Senator Ted Cruz’s Verdict podcast airs a full episode of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, in which the co-hosts break down the aftermath of the protracted 40-day government shutdown—its political gamesmanship, losers and winners, and the ripple effects among Democrats and Republicans. Clay and Buck dissect how shutdown tactics impacted the Virginia elections, the cracks emerging in Democratic unity, intense finger-pointing at leaders like Chuck Schumer, and the fraught politics of health care after Obamacare. Sprinkled with trademark banter and pointed barbs, the hosts analyze the state of play heading toward the next election cycle.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Government Shutdown: Motives and Fallout

• Shutdown Status (01:37, 36:27):

  • Government set to reopen after a 40-day Democratic-led shutdown.
  • Eight Senate Democrats joined Republicans, breaking the impasse and signaling a rift.
  • Massive air travel chaos—thousands of delays and cancellations—helped force a resolution.

• Political Motivation and Strategy (01:37–06:03, 21:27):

  • Buck Sexton: “It seems increasingly clear that the pain and chaos was the point of what the Democrats were doing all along. Their desire was exactly what we saw—which was to frustrate people, to make them anxious, to make them agitated in advance of the elections.” [01:43]
  • Clay Travis: Democrats exploited federal employees and staged “no Kings” protests to drive turnout, then caved once their political aim (Virginia elections) was met. [04:07]

• Republicans’ Reaction:

  • GOP called Democrats’ “bluff” and didn’t cave, which led to Democrats buckling post-election. [06:17]
  • Buck: “They’ve set the groundwork for the emotional manipulation that is going to be the foundation of their midterm pitch.” [09:21]

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2. Democratic Disunity and Intra-Party Backlash

• Party Disarray (06:03–09:36, 27:06):

  • Civil war brewing within the Democratic Party: progressive base angry over capitulation.
  • Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer face heat from both their left flank and moderates.

• Finger-pointing at Chuck Schumer (27:58, 28:08, 40:52):

  • Notable quote: “If he cannot keep his caucus together, he needs to go.” —Sunny Hostin on The View [28:13]
  • Clay Travis: “Everybody is pointing the finger at Chuck Schumer.” [39:14]
  • Buck Sexton: Predicts Schumer will rebrand the loss as ‘fighting the good fight’ during midterm fundraising. [42:08]

• Democratic Senators’ Defections:

  • Most of the eight Democrats who broke ranks aren’t up for re-election, sparing them from progressive primary pressure. [47:25]

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3. Public Perception, Media Spin, and Cultural Commentary

• Media Coverage of the Shutdown (20:40–23:40):

  • Buck describes watching MSNBC’s Morning Joe and The View for reactions.
  • Morning Joe’s spin: Despite Democrats orchestrating the shutdown, somehow Republicans are to blame.
    • Buck: “They’ve lit the fire… and are walking around telling the neighbors, ‘Can you believe these guys lit this fire?’” [23:40]
  • NBC’s Angus King admits on-air the shutdown gave Trump more power, not less. [38:21]

• Left-wing Media & Social Media Meltdowns:

  • Clay: “BlueSky”—the progressive Twitter alternative—was melting down over Democrats “bending the knee to King Trump.” [16:24]

• Progressive Anger Toward Leaders:

  • The View’s Sunny Hostin calls Schumer’s position untenable. [28:08]

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4. The Health Care Debate

• Criticisms of Obamacare (13:48–16:24, 28:59–35:22):

  • Buck: “Obamacare… a massive failure. It has increased ‘coverage’ at the expense of cost and quality. Everything has gotten worse.” [13:48]
  • Clay: “All Obamacare really is, is a huge giveaway to insurance companies. And do you know who the most hated groups of companies in America are? Health care insurance companies.” [15:14]
  • Buck points out how Democrats may use “health care” as an election wedge, but their only solution was to hand more money to deeply disliked insurers. [31:16–35:22]
  • Both argue the system lacks transparency and that subsidizing insurance has driven up costs for users on private plans.

• Democratic Plan Going Forward:

  • Hosts predict Democrats will try to push the US towards single-payer/Medicare for All, using manufactured crises from Obamacare’s “failures” as a springboard. [15:54, 46:23]

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5. Cultural Critiques and Commentary

• Michelle Obama and “Democratic Bitchiness” (54:52–65:04):
  • Buck and Clay lampoon Michelle Obama’s recent comments on First Lady “glam squads” and her complaints about needing designer clothing [56:33–57:11].
    • Clay: “Michelle Obama might be the person who should give the country more gratitude than anyone that has the least gratitude of anyone in public eye that I can see.” [57:18]
  • Clay likens her attitude to that of the U.S. women’s soccer team—both, he argues, represent progressive ‘ingratitude’ and hectoring.
  • Commentary extends to Democratic women in general, claiming their baseline energy is “hectoring ungrateful… baseline bitchiness that is the Democrat Party.” [61:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Clay, on Dems caving: “Wait a minute… Our party said, ‘We’re not gonna take this anymore!’ and then they just meekly come back and say, ‘Actually, we’re just gonna open the government back up.’” [07:36]
• Buck, on partisan media spin: “They’ve lit the fire… the fire department’s coming, and they’re walking around telling the neighbors, ‘Can you believe these guys lit this fire?’” [23:40]
• Clay, on distrust of insurance: “I hate health insurance companies. Most of you do too. In fact, you might even argue with your spouse over who has to call the health insurance company when you have a billing dispute because it’s such a miserable experience.” [28:59]
• Buck, on the system’s design: “It’s not insurance [anymore]. You shouldn’t be filing a claim for a routine doctor’s visit. But our whole health care system is just that now…” [31:58]
• On Michelle Obama’s glam squad: “I know a lot of women who live off the rack, Clay. I know a lot.” [57:11, Buck]
• Clay on Democratic women: “It’s like the whole [Democrat] party is just the most annoying person at your job who’s lecturing you about something that she doesn’t like that really isn’t anything wrong at all.” [61:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:37 – 06:03: Breakdown of the shutdown origins, motives, and fallout.
• 13:48 – 16:24: In-depth critique of Obamacare and the broken health care system.
• 20:40 – 24:09: How the mainstream media spun the shutdown.
• 27:06 – 28:19: The View’s Sunny Hostin and the left’s rage at Schumer.
• 31:16 – 35:22: Health care market dysfunctions illustrated.
• 36:27 – 39:14: What forced Democrats to capitulate, with Angus King audio.
• 42:08 – 47:49: Schumer’s path forward and speculation around Democrat primary challenges.
• 54:52 – 65:04: Michelle Obama segment and cultural critiques of Democratic leadership attitudes.

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Overall Tone and Takeaways

The episode is characteristically combative and sardonic, laced with sarcasm and the hosts’ signature mix of policy analysis and culture war rhetoric. Clay Travis leans into populist grievance (especially against elites and Democratic women); Buck Sexton brings media analysis and historical context to bear. Their thesis: The Democrats’ shutdown was cynical and ultimately self-defeating, their house is divided, and the only legacy of recent health care policy is to further enrich hated insurance companies—setting up a Republican opportunity if they can articulate a smarter way forward.

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For listeners:
This episode encapsulates the intense, media-savvy edge of contemporary conservative commentary, blending humor, frustration, and in-the-moment political strategy. You’ll get insight into how Republican partisans currently view the Democratic Party’s fractures, the enduring problems of health insurance policy—and enjoy healthy doses of cultural criticism along the way.

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

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[Buck Sexton]

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[Clay Travis]

Welcome to today's edition of the Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Travis and Buck Sexton show podcast. Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show. Much to discuss the government shutdown. Where are we on this one? Inching closer to a fish oil reopening here. There is a deal in the Senate. So it looks imminent that the government will be formally open. But Democrats took this through the election and sure enough turned around and said, you know what, we probably should open this government at some point considering that people are getting stuck on tarmacs, flights are being delayed, government employees aren't being paid, air traffic controllers, all of those things, things going on here. And it seems Clay increasingly clear that the pain and chaos was the point of what the Democrats were doing all along. Their desire was exactly what we saw, which was to frustrate people, to make them anxious, to make them agitated in advance of the elections. And you, sir. Yes, go ahead. You are. You look like I can't tell if you're swiveling around with energy about this or you're just in your new studio.

[Clay Travis]

I'm in my new studio. So, Buck, there's several things that could go awry. First of all, we're gonna have to get a picture taken. I am attempting. And you're gonna think this is the most ridiculous of all decisions that I've ever made. I'm attempting now to do the show from a treadmill. Like, I'm trying to walk like four miles. Yeah, you're. You're losing your mind. And I'm probably gonna step off and this is gonna be ridiculous. We have designed in the new studio, I have a walking desk where I am right now attempting to do like four miles instead of sitting. This is my attempt to make America healthy again. I'm trying to do the show like, totally normal. Just standing here from a. Yeah. So at some point, if I just take a wrong step, at some point I may just kill myself. This is. This is going to be an interesting decision.

[Buck Sexton]

All I saw was you, the shoulders moving side to side. And I thought you were just so excited to talk about the shutdown that you couldn't contain yourself. Like, my baby does this when I walk in the room. If he hasn't seen me, he shakes side to side. But that is, in fact, not what's going on. You are walking while doing the radio show. I'm going to have to. This is going to take me a beat to get.

[Clay Travis]

Get used to this, get adjusted to. And also for people watching on the new cameras, I am told that I look like a penis with two different logos of Clay and Buck on either side of me. So there's no telling how much will go awry before we get this all fixed. But even if we are a mess on the show optically, Buck, we're not as mess. A much of a mess as the Democrat Party is right now. They have completely screwed this all up. And this is yet another story that I would say we got completely right because we told you that they wanted to have their stupid no Kings protest and we told you that they wanted to have the election in Virginia with all of the federal employees who were likely to be showing up and that as soon as they did that, which they did, at some point, they would buckle. And it's amazing how quickly we pivoted from. Boy, Republicans have got a real issue here to try to figure out exactly what's going on to. Boy, Democrats are a mess. Eight Democrat senators have joined in. And now as a result, I think you're going to see a real civil war breaking out among the Democrat Party over how do they solve that? What is the next step? What should they do going forward? And I don't know that they even have a very good answer because right now Hakeem Jeffries is speaking on CNN Live and he's screaming at everybody. And these eight senators have come out and they've made the choice that they wanted to make. And so I just think this is exactly what we told everybody was going to happen. They had no plan, they got nothing. They threw a temper tantrum. You've got a six month old. Hopefully he's not having temper tantrums yet.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, speed is way better behaved than Democrat senators.

[Clay Travis]

It's not even close time. You get the temper tantrum that comes out and there is no result and they're going to be even more frustrated. The left is going to lose their mind over this.

[Buck Sexton]

So Trump put this out. As we've said, there's already been agreement. I don't think Democrats could really walk back from this in the Senate after they've made this, these concessions. And we'll get into some of the specifics of what the deal looks like to get the government back open over the weekend. Trump was saying, and many others were saying to nuke the filibuster. Time to go all out. Time to make the. And there may still be an argument underway about that. But here's what Trump says about air traffic controllers. This is always clay, historically, where the rubber meets the road, so to speak, on the shutdown. When people really get angry is when air traffic is a complete message. And you have people that are not able to go on business trips, on vacations, go see relatives, waiting three hours, waiting 24 hours, you know, canceled flights, all that stuff. So Trump put this out. All air traffic controllers must get back to work now. Anyone who doesn't will be substantially docked. For those air traffic controllers who were great patriots and didn't take any time off during the Democrat shutdown hoax, I will be recommending a bonus of $10,000 per person for distinguished service to our country for those that did nothing but complain and took time off, even though everyone knew they would be paid in full, I am not happy with you. Very, very Trump here, very Big Daddy Trump letting everybody know where he stands on this.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah, and look, I do think if you're a Democrat and you are convinced that Trump is a king and you are convinced that Trump is Hitler and you finally had your party say, we're not going to take this anymore. And then they just meekly come back and say, actually, we're just going to open the government back up. And I do think, Buck, this is a function of all of the travel issues, because whether you're a Democrat, Republican, or an Independent, if you have to stand in line for hours to get through tsa, people lose their mind. And if you have to put yourself in a position where you are somehow defending that absurdity, it's not a good spot to be in it. Again, I just come back to. We said this exactly was what was going to happen. They would get through the elections on Tuesday. They would look around and they would say, hey, we don't really have the ability to keep this up forever. Republicans called their bluff, said, we're not going to change anything. And as a result, these Democrats, these eight just came back meekly and said, okay, we're going to do it. Here's what they did, Buck. They gave Chuck Schumer an opportunity to look tough so that he can stand up to aoc, Right. Which I think is a huge part of what he's trying to do. And then ultimately, even though he's not involved in reopening the government, he voted against it. His number two, Dick Durbin from Illinois, was in favor of it, which kind of gives you a nod that Chuck Schumer is telling his constituents behind the scenes, hey, let's go ahead and do this. And the whole thing is just, it's. It's a debacle. Let's be honest. There is no actual benefit that the Democrat Party has gained in any way.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, they threw a tantrum. Yes. I think that the, They've set the groundwork for the emotional manipulation that is going to be the foundation of their midterm pitch. Right. What are they going to say so that they can take control of the House?

[Clay Travis]

And.

[Buck Sexton]

And then all it's going to be is do everything you can to stop Trump from doing anything for the last two years of his presidency. Right. Do everything you can to impeach him and just be as difficult as possible. Grind the gears of government to a halt. To the degree they can do that. They're. They're really heavily leaning into the class warfare stuff. It's feeling very 2009 all over again here.

[Clay Travis]

Mamdani took the mask off Buck in his speech. Even the Washington Post editorial board, I was reading, reading it, said, oh, he's a, he's a nice. He's a gentle, you know, socialist. As soon as he won, he was like, we're coming for you. We're going to tax you. There are going to be consequences. We've got a mandate. We got over 50%. Get ready.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah. And that's. People say, well, what happens to the identity politics of the Democrat coalition? Well, they shift focus a little bit now. They go from race communism to old school communism. That's essentially the playbook, I think. And that's why the health care issue plays so heavily into this and why Bernie Sanders, of course, Bernie Sanders is one of the big voices you'll hear out there who's upset, as he always is, about the millionaires and the billionaires and all this stuff here. This is a video that he released on social media. This is cut to where he is slamming. What is he slamming? You'll hear it. Play it.

[Clay Travis]

Tonight, eight Democrats voted with the Republicans to allow them to go forward on this continuing resolution. And to my mind, this was a very, very bad vote. Just on Tuesday, we had an election all over this country. And what the election showed is that the American people want us to stand up to Trumpism, to his war against working class people, to his authoritarianism. That is what the American people wanted. But tonight, that is not what happened.

[Buck Sexton]

Clay, what is the war against working class people? What is that? What does that even mean? These are. This is what I mean by emotional manipulation. This is buzzwords to get people to play into my bills are, you know, high. Oh, I have frustration in life. It's someone else's fault. If it is someone else's fault, fine. But let's at least know who and why and then fix that instead of just playing on the rage of the masses, which is what Bernie's trying to do.

[Clay Travis]

Buck, think about the arguments that they simultaneously were making. They said, hey, everybody's gonna go hungry and too many people are gonna starve to death. Basically, that's what they were trying to say with the SNAP related issues. And as soon as the government opens back up, what are they saying? How dare we not stand up to Trump? Wait a minute. What is the consequence of a government shutdown? Is it that tons of people are not gonna have enough food to eat, in which case the government should reopen immediately? Or is it that you're just trying to extract pain against Trump and throw a temper tantrum? Well, as soon as the government gets back, open back up. Everybody who wants those SNAP benefits is going to get them, by the way. Side note, Buck, have you seen a lot of the people being interviewed talking about their necessity of needing snap? Does it look like most of those people are a meal away from starvation, because to me, it doesn't. And in fact, I think there's a stat out there that the people that are on SNAP benefits, as you pointed out, they're not making the most healthy decisions when it comes to the food that they're choosing to buy. And it used to be that we would hear all the time about, oh, you know, there's a food desert or there's an inability for people out there to be able to make healthy decisions. But as you pointed out, they did a study where they gave people subsidized healthy foods, and the overall purchases of food did not change at all. In fact, people continued to make unhealthy dietary decisions. But this idea that calorically, somehow, there's a huge percentage of Americans that are struggling and not getting enough to eat. Most of the people that are on SNAP benefits that I've seen interviewed talking about how desperately they need SNAP benefits actually look like they could go a couple of weeks without eating anything and might be in the healthier position.

[Buck Sexton]

Look, I think, first of all, you know, if you, the CDC even estimates that the cost. We're talking about health care costs. Extreme obesity costs the American health care system $200 billion a year. Extreme obesity, 200. I'm not, by the way, don't say, oh, fuck, you know, you know, you've been 20 pounds or 40 pounds overweight. No, no, I'm talking about like, like somebody who is morbidly obese. That's the term it used for $200 billion a year is what that costs. But the other part of this, and you know, you've been tweeting about it. I've been tweeting about it. We need to actually look at what's going on with health care in this country because Obamacare, they want to move away from this now. Obamacare is a massive, by its own standards, everyone, a massive failure. It has increased, quote, coverage at the expense of cost quality care. Everything has gotten worse. You have a little thing now that says you have Obamacare or whatever. You have a plan that's on an exchange, or you're part of the Medicaid expansion, but you didn't increase doctors, you didn't increase efficiency in the system. You've made costs for those who actually pay for their health care premiums more than double. A lot of cases triple. And the, and the, the Democrats answer to this is to shovel tens of billions of subsidies in the city. They're just hiding, Clay. They're just hiding the actual costs.

[Clay Travis]

Well, when you subsidize something that is bad. The thing that you subsidize gets worse. And we subsidized health care. All Obamacare really is, is a huge giveaway to insurance companies. And do you know who the most hated groups of companies in America are? Health care insurance companies. Because no one has any idea what things cost. Because you can't figure out why you have to pay X one week and the next week it goes to Y because there is no cost analysis associated with this at all. So Obamacare is an unmitigated disaster, Buck. It is a failure of epic magnitude.

[Buck Sexton]

And it failed in exactly the ways that people like me who were opposed to it at the time said it would. I'm not saying I'm the only one. All Republicans were paying attention knew this Clay. But it is an absolute mess. It is a disaster. And I think that we all need to start to grapple with the realities of the health care system instead of really what it is is they just plan to make the whole thing collapse into a single payer. That's the whole. They're just going to make everything Medicare, they're going to try to do the Canada model here, which is going to be a nightmare, everybody. It's just going to make it all worse.

[Clay Travis]

When we come back, I want to hear what MSNBC viewing was like this morning. Oh yeah, I saw you with the six box. You know things have gotten serious when you have six people who simultaneously need to be talking about how awful things are. And I've also seen some of the Blue sky reactions. Blue sky is the far left wing version of Twitter and they're having complete meltdowns there over the Democrats bending the knee to King Trump. We'll talk about that. Unfortunately, we lost. Buck. I don't know if you got your prize picks pick in or not, but we lost and we lost early. Unfortunately. I'm gonna give you another pick on Thursday. We got to get back on the winning trail. We've had four wins, which to be fair is more than I thought we would have over the course of the entire season because we're actually playing a try to win multiples, right 2, 3, X your money, which means you don't have a huge percentage chance of winning every week, but you can have a 100% chance in my opinion of having fun with prize picks. You can play in California, you can play in Texas, you can play in Georgia. No matter where you are in the country. You can get hooked up right [e-mail] when you use my name Clay. You play $5 and you get $50 deposited into your account. That's prize picks.com code Clay again. California, Texas, Georgia, Florida. If you're feeling left out. 40 different states. It's awesome. You're going to have more fun if you love football. We signed up. We just moved. Finally we've got YouTube TV. I know there's been a big battle, but we had the NFL Sunday ticket this weekend. The boys were watching. President Trump was calling games. If you didn't see it, he was in Washington in the press box breaking down the game with the the people calling the Washington game against the Detroit Lions. It was a lot of fun. We'll have some fun talking about that. But in the meantime, you can get $50 when you play $5. That's prizepix.com code clay pricepix.com code clay.

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[Buck Sexton]

So the shutdown is about to end and I was curious how they were gonna spin this. So this morning, it was a lovely morning. I was sitting there, I was drinking some Crockett coffee, which is available for all of [e-mail]. it's fantastic. Look at this Over Mountain Club mug. It's a conversation starter and it looks cool. Like, do you know who the overmountain men were? Now you do History America. Celebrate it. It's also that time of year we're getting cool new gifts for yourself or for others. Is a great idea. And that's why I think Crocket coffee would work out so well for you. Go check it out. But I was sitting there and I had little. I had ginger on one side, speed on the other, and I'm like, all right, I'm. I'm prepared. I'm prepared to subject myself to the madness of Morning Joe.

[Clay Travis]

You are the number one fan of Morning Joe. Don't downplay it here. You are their base. Clay.

[Buck Sexton]

Just because I am so dedicated for this team that I'm willing to suffer through this. Let's, let's, let's not pretend like I just want to see what kind of zip sweater Joe is wearing so I can mirror image it myself sometime or I can watch Mika get old hissy up there.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know if the marriage is going that well, Buck. I don't. I just, Just doing a little bit of viewing. They don't seem very happy.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, I, I had a female co host on TV at one point. I gotta tell you, marriage is tough enough. I can't imagine being married and then showing up and being co hosts on a TV show together as well. That would be. It's a lot. That's a. That's a lot of stuff. That's why I try not to text Clay over the weekend because, like, 15 hours during the week of talking to each other, not enough. I gotta be like, hey, buddy, what's going on? What are you up to? You know, we try to try to give each other a little space on the weekends as Clay is now catching his breath on the treadmill. So we have no. He's good. He's money.

[Clay Travis]

He's so money. I'm going to be in such elite shape, people are not going to recognize me now with this treadmill set up.

[Buck Sexton]

So Morning Joe, they had to come up with some kind of a position on it. And I just want you to get a sense, you already know where this is going. Somehow the Democrats shut down the government, caused all this pain, didn't get the concession that they were demanding, didn't get the, you know, the, rather the hostage taking did not result in what they actually wanted. And the real takeaway here is that the American people, according to Morning Joe, are blaming Republicans. Play 4. This is not like a Republican position or a Democratic position when it comes to the voters and certainly not an independent fight. This is not partisan. There are Americans in red state America who desperately need this help. There are Americans in blue state America that need this help too. But I guarantee you from Dalton, Georgia to Bucks County, Pennsylvania, to every place in America, rural place in America.

[Clay Travis]

Also.

[Buck Sexton]

Listen, the Republicans are not on their side, not in this debate. And I just, it sounds a little bit like a guy who's practicing a stump speech. Part one, part two. Part two. This is Republicans fault. Like they're just doing the thing that we said they would do all along, which is they've lit the fire. Ok. The house is now burning. The fire department's coming and they're walking around telling the neighbors, can you believe these guys lit this fire? Clay, it's crazy what's going on here.

[Clay Travis]

I also think it's kind of amazing how quickly we went from boy, Republicans are really going to have to have a civil war now, to Democrats are at each other's throats almost overnight. And I just wonder in a larger context, you and I asked this question from the get go. You can't enter into a decision like the Democrats did here with no exit ramp. We talked about this for 40 days. We said there is no exit ramp here. There is no goal that they are somehow in some form or fashion going to get. And so again, no king's protest on what was it, October 18, that Saturday, beautiful day all over the country that Democrats gave up to rally against President Trump. And then you had the election. And I do think it probably juiced turnout in Northern Virginia and helped them get a little bit more political power in that state than they otherwise would have. But then everybody who is in any way moderate on the Democrat side of the aisle just says, hey, we got to sue for peace and buck. I think the ultimate yes, it was no kings. Yes, it was also the election having taken place. We told you that it would get solved right after that. I think what they didn't calculate was, I guarantee you they're getting blown up about all of the issues at airports because it's one thing to hear, hey, the government shut down and it's having this impact. I'm talking about if you're not air traffic control, if you're not military, if you're not a federal employee. But as soon as I show up at the airport and I have to stand in line for hours to get through tsa, or even worse than that, you get to the airport, you stand in line for hours at tsa, and then your flight gets canceled. Democrat, Republican, or Independent, people are mad. And you don't want to be on the receiving end of people being mad, especially when there isn't really a basis for any kind of tangible result that they're going to get. And that was why I actually thought about you this morning. When I woke up, I was like, I don't want to put on msnbc. I got to get the kids to school. I gotta make sure that things are going okay here. But a part of me was a little bit jealous that you got to sit and watch the chaos unspool on msnbc, because I did put it on for just a few minutes last night just to see all of the people on the panel saying, wait a minute, they got us all worked up. They told us that they were standing up to Trump. And then the result is after 40 days, they say, well, we made the conversation shift. Oh, we made this. They just failed. And it just makes them look utterly incompetent. And a part of me wonders if they're going to demand Chuck Schumer's head on a platter over this buck.

[Buck Sexton]

Oh, guess what? Sunny Hostin.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, yeah, Chief.

[Buck Sexton]

Chief bitterness analyst over at the View. She is. She's the queen of. Queen of bitter. Just always, always unhappy about something.

[Clay Travis]

Can you imagine being married to Sunny Hostenbach? Can you imagine that poor bastard husband, like, how awful his life must be? I bet he works 180 hours a week just to avoid having to spend time with her. She just seems like an energy vampire of epic magnitude. Even in the context of the View. I don't think I'd be fun to be married to Whoopi or Joy Behar. But they don't seem like they're awful humans. Sunny Hostin seems to me to be an awful human.

[Buck Sexton]

She's. She's definitely. She really. You should call her Sonny. Hostile. Oh, she's very. She's very hostile, yes.

[Clay Travis]

Very hostile.

[Buck Sexton]

I mean, she's very, very. An unhospitable and hostile. Here she is. She's hostile toward Chuck Schumer, it turns out. Play 20 now they just caved and surrendered.

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[Clay Travis]

If he cannot put that, if he.

[Buck Sexton]

Cannot keep his caucus together, cannot keep.

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[Buck Sexton]

Clay, what this really is, is, you know, remember the, the, the two minutes hate with Emanuel Goldstein, 1984, where everyone just shouts, ah, you know, Emanuel Goldstein, he's so bad. And no one even, no one even knows who this guy is or what's going on or whatever. But it's just meant to get everybody. This is the left just venting their spleen, their rage, their anger at Trumpism and, and this was all in advance of the election, going to election day to make them think Democrats are fighting. It was all kabuki theater. It's all a pantomime.

[Clay Travis]

I, I also think, Buck, this could be one of the lasting impacts of it. They have created a world, if you go look at issues where people think, oh, Democrats, they care about health care more than Republicans. Now, I'm not saying that everybody out there listening right now believes this, but they have created the idea, oh, we care way more about healthcare than the opposing party. I actually think the failure of Obamacare is going to open a larger conversation about healthcare where we sit back and we say, wait a minute. Structurally, all we did with Obamacare was give huge subsidies to health insurance companies that huge majorities of Americans don't like. Instead of, I saw Trump put up a truth post about this. Instead of putting more money in people's pockets and letting them make rational decisions about what healthcare they need or want, that is the best result for their family. For all of you out there, they said, hey, let's just give way more money to health insurance companies and let's mandate that everybody has to buy health insurance. It's a really bad idea that I don't think Republicans have really elucidated. Well, you have the least popular for profit businesses in America, health care companies. And the Democrats solution that people feel like, cheat them, that people feel like, don't give them adequate coverage, that don't give them adequate customer service. Can you even get your health care provider insurance company on the phone? And when you do, how many times do they actually help you or even be able to explain why you're being charged what you are? I mean, I hate health insurance companies. Most of you do too. In fact, you might even argue with your spouse over who has to call the health insurance company when you have a billing dispute because it's such a miserable experience. And so the Democrats solution to health care was to give the least popular industry in America a handout of hundreds of billions of dollars to make them more money. I'm sorry, that's a really bad position for them to try to defend.

[Buck Sexton]

Well, you know, this is where you get into the ways that this market is. It's not a market really at all manipulated so much that it's just central. It's just central planning held together with some elements of the market in some places. But, Clay, this is when people find out that if you have insurance, the price could be, you know, $600 for whatever it is that you're doing. If you don't have insurance, the price can be $300 way cheaper. But. But if they find out you have insurance, you're not allowed to pay the $300, no insurance price.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

This is all about taking money from some people to pay for other people who don't want to pay for the stuff that they're getting. That is the whole thing. And by the way, this is all. It's not insurance. It's not even insurance. You should not be paying for. You know, rather, when you go into the doctor for your checkup and for these things, you shouldn't be filing a claim. You know? You know, this is when people think about with their car. When do you call your car insurer? If somebody t bones you at an intersection and you've got real damage, Right. Or, you know, there's something that's serious happened to your car, you don't call them if, you know, an acorn scratches the rim, you don't call them for gas. But our whole health care system is just that now, you know, everywhere you go. I can't even get Sinclair. I could go in somewhere, you know, oh, I think I have a sinus infection. And to fill out 15 minutes of paperwork about all my. By the way, even though it's all online now, you still have to fill out the stupid paperwork over and over and over again. What's your insurance? Do you have a secondary insurer who's your spouse, who.

[Clay Travis]

It's all garbage. It's infuriating. It's infuriating. And that's why I think Republicans have an opportunity here, because all Democrats have done is subsidize the most hated industry in America and give them more money to an already broken system. And I think that conversation is actually going to become more paramount here, uh, because this is a major, major issue. And look, Democrats are gonna try to make it an issue in 2026, I think trying to defend health insurance Companies as doing a good job and deserving more of our money is not something that most Americans are gonna nod along with. And I just come back to time after time after time. The reason healthcare is broken in this country is because nobody has any idea. That builds on just what you were saying. Buckle what anything is going to cost. Hold on.

[Buck Sexton]

No, you're not allowed to know. It's actually worse than that. You're not allowed to know what it costs. It's, it's not like you're just walking around, you know, like, oh, just, you know, who cares about whatever. I could go into the, the back office of a hospital and say, hey, guys, what is, what is the actual cost of this? They'll say, we'll get back to you in three months with a big bill, by the way.

[Clay Travis]

Look, I talked about this when my wife was having bait with our babies. Right. It's one of the few health care things where you can actually go around and ask what something cost. I said, how much is it going to cost to have a baby here? I'd like to compare that cost with somewhere else. They said, well, we don't know how. Can you give me an opportunity to tour maternity wards? And the only thing you're not competing on, you're competing on wi fi, bamboo flooring, waiting rooms. You can't tell me what the cost is. It was, I can tell you this.

[Buck Sexton]

Saying everybody out here in Miami beach, in this area at least, it's all turning into concierge medicine.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah.

[Buck Sexton]

People are just, doctors are just opting out of this system. And it's not because they're being greedy. They just want to be able to practice medicine without being paperwork, you know, addled bureaucrats all day long. And so people are just paying. This is what's going to increasingly happen. And you're going to have all these Democrats saying, I love Obamacare. They're not on Obamacare plans.

[Clay Travis]

Correct.

[Buck Sexton]

They're on gold plated, amazing plans. They see any doctor they want, they don't pay anything. I mean, friends, if you want to, want to see what their version of healthcare looks like for all of us, go see how it all was working out in the Soviet Union. Yeah, sure, it was all free, but.

[Clay Travis]

Well, you know, the government employees who never gave a paycheck. Yeah, everybody in Congress, they kept getting paid.

[Buck Sexton]

We'll take your calls on this, my friends here in a moment. We're making progress with the Trump administration with some of the spending cutbacks, but the debt is still huge. 37 trillion and counting. Inflation is still a problem. Cost of living is high. I want to help you save some money. Why not? Why throw more of your money away every month? There's no reason. Pure Talk, my friends, Pure Talk can cut your wireless bill big time. It can cut it in half. In fact, when you switch to Pure Talk, they don't have bloated programs or incentives. They're very straightforward and they want to give you the best pricing and the best customer service. Switching to Pure Talk is a common sense thing to do. Dial pound 250 say Clay and Buck. Dial pound 250, say Clay and Buck. Pure Talks US customer service team will get you switched. Pound 250 say Clay and Buck.

[Clay Travis]

Biggest news is that we finally are going to have an end to the incredibly unsuccessful, successful government shutdown that has been going on for 40 days. It appears that it will be over officially on Thursday, the shutdown already underway as eight different Democrat senators have joined all of the Republican senators. We had to get to 60 in order for that to happen. Now unfortunately, the air travel disruption situation, I'm looking at it right now on Fox News. Buck. There are 3,000 nearly flights that have been canceled today, over 11,000 delays. So if you are trying to travel right now, this is frankly a complete mess all over the country. As I think a big part of why we finally got this resolution was because Democrats have recognized, one, they're not going to get anything accomplished and two, we are now past the no Kings Day and election in Virginia. But a third part of this is a lot of people were and have become super frustrated overall with everything going on relating to air traffic delays. And so that is, that is where we are positive news. In fact, I believe we have audio from Senator Angus King who went on MSNBC and said, hey, yeah, by the way, it turns out that the decision to not open the government to shut down made everything more more powerful as it pertains to all things Trump. Can we play that cut from earlier today on msnbc, please? You have to go back to what.

[Buck Sexton]

The strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown. There were two goals, both of which I support. One was standing up to Donald Trump. The other was getting some resolution on the ACA premium tax credit issue. The problem was the shutdown wasn't accomplishing either goals and there was practically, well, there was zero likelihood that it was going to in terms of standing up to Donald Trump. The shutdown actually gave him more power. Exhibit A being what he's done with SNAP and SNAP benefits across the country. Oh, by the way, Joe, you're going to love this. Guess who's getting paid during the shutdown? Not the park rangers or air traffic controllers. The ice agents under special law, under that big awful bill that they passed last summer, the ice agents are being paid. Nobody else is. So standing up to Donald Trump didn't work. It actually gave him more power.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So Angus King going on with MSNBC and saying, hey, we've actually ended up in a situation where President Trump has more power than he would otherwise. Also, by the way, Trump is continuing. He is meeting with the new president of Syria. Underrated aspect of foreign diplomacy that has not gotten a ton of attention was normalizing relations with Syria, helped to create more Middle east peace because everybody was lining up against Iran and giving a nod towards the new government in Syria. Helped with the relationships with other Middle Eastern countries as it pertains to all of that. Stock market, not surprisingly, buck up substantially as the government shutdown comes down. And now the big battle has become Democrats, senators, everybody is pointing the finger at Chuck Schumer. So question for you. Where does Chuck Schumer go from here? And let me give you the scenarios. He's got AOC really after him on the left flank. And that was, I think, a huge part of the motivation for why he decided to allow this shutdown to take place as well. Now eight senators on the right are coming forward and saying, this is ridiculous. We're not getting anything. We have to go back and, and, and open the government back up. We're getting too much blowback. We're not getting anything. This is a negative overall for the party. Where does this leave Chuck Schumer? Because we play a lot of the pressure. Is he done? Like, how does his career end at this point?

[Buck Sexton]

Chuck Schumer's chief comms guy. Okay, here we go. This doesn't look good for Chuck right now. Here's what's going to happen, though. He's going to go into this next year gearing up for the midterms, doing a lot of fundraising, a lot of pressing of the palms. What he's going to say is, guys, I fought. I fought. You gotta, you know, you can't have these upstarts like aoc. They don't know the game. So important that we take control of at least the House in this midterm election. And I, you know, and I'm gonna fight in the Senate, and I'm Chuck Schumer. He's created the narrative to allow him to go to the, you know, $10,000 replay dinners or whatever it is in order to present himself as the resistance against Trump. People will forget, and this may sound cynical, but I think it's quite obviously true. People will forget that this was much ado about nothing, and he will turn it into, oh, I stood and fought and we got some concessions out of Trump when we were in the minority. Just wait till we actually have a majority in Congress. Give me money. Chuck Schumer, that's the whole thing. That's going to be the pitch? I think. So he's going to create a narrative out of this that ignores the truth of what really happened here.

[Clay Travis]

The best asset that he has.

[Buck Sexton]

Should he hire me, by the way, I feel like that's pretty good. For Schumer spokesman. Oh, look at this. Not so much.

[Clay Travis]

I don't know. I don't know that. I think the best asset that Schumer has is that AOC doesn't actually want to be a senator. That's my. She wants to be president. I don't think she sees that much difference in being a House of Representative member or a senator. There is, but I think her aspirations are higher.

[Buck Sexton]

Your Senate's an excellent stepping stone, especially for Democrats. That's how they always see it. Remember, Democrats like to have senators run. We like to have governors run.

[Clay Travis]

Okay, so question then in that context, and I don't know that anybody's even talked about this. Mamdani, we know he could be governor one day. He could be senator one day. That's the apex of his power. You can argue New York City mayor is a higher level of office than senator or governor would be. Is there a world where Mamdani decides to challenge Chuck Schumer? If AOC is running for president, and we know that Momdani can't run for president because he was born in Uganda. I'm just trying to play it out for Schumer. A lot of these results buck, to me, end with Schumer not running for reelection next year. The problem with that is what else does Chuck Schumer have going on such that he would give up power at 75 or 76 years old, which is young compared to Nancy Pelosi, who went all the way up to 85. And again, that's depending on who has control. Because if you're in the minority, that's not necessarily very enjoyable, I'm told, from people who, you know, work day to day in the Senate.

[Buck Sexton]

When is. When is Schumer up? When is his term?

[Clay Travis]

Next year.

[Buck Sexton]

Right.

[Clay Travis]

Next year. So he's up. So, I mean, By January or February of next year. Right. Meaning, like four months from now, we'll start to find out whether anybody is actually going to primary him or not. I'm not sure what the filing deadline is in New York, but he's terrified AOC is going to primary him. My thought is AOC doesn't actually want to be senator, although maybe to your point, she thinks, hey, I can be senator.

[Buck Sexton]

No, Chuck Schumer's not up for reelection next year.

[Clay Travis]

I thought he was up in 26.

[Buck Sexton]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, okay. He's up in 28.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah, he's up. And he's up in 28. So that's. This is. But this is. All right, now maybe you do want to hire me as Schumer spokesman. Clay, he just goes into the fundraising cycle for next year. No one's even going to. By the time he's up, no one's even going to remember this challenge from his. His left flank. I always thought that was a little overblown as an explanation for this. I think that they realized the real problem is that with Obama, they got to shore up. The boat is taking. Taking on water with Obamacare in a big way, and that causes big problems for them on the health care front. And in the midterms, health care was the quiet issue. It wasn't really that quiet, but health care was the issue in 2018 that delivered the Democrats a big win.

[Clay Travis]

Overwhelmingly.

[Buck Sexton]

It was health care that they said was what was, you know, propelling them forward.

[Clay Travis]

Well, that's why I said in the last hour, I think the issue they could have going forward is they may well have created real obstacles for themselves on the only issue that really, they show up in a positive vein. Now, I know people, the economy is just. It's a negative, frankly, for everybody, because there's just a lot of unhappy people. Border crime, very positive Trump issues. I think the economy by next year is going to be a Trump issue if Democrats don't have health care. If a lot of people start to have the conversation that we did last hour where they look around and say, wait a minute. The reason why health care companies have increasingly more and more power is because the Democrats just gave them hundreds of billions of dollars in handouts, I think a lot of people might start to say, wait a minute, Democrats have totally screwed this up, and Obamacare has made everything worse. And I think, to your point, the idea with Obamacare, honestly, it feels like it's designed to fail so that they can just, to your point, say, hey, government's got to take over everything, otherwise everybody's going to die. Which is that was always, that was.

[Buck Sexton]

Always the opposition to Obamacare from the start was that the way it was constructed was destined to fail. But that failure would lead to a single payer system, which is Medicare for all, which is what Bernie Sanders is always saying, which you want to talk about out of control costs and bloat and bureaucracy and waiting. I mean, you know, if the government is writing all the checks for everybody's healthcare and you have something like this in the UK where the government also controls the output of health care, right. National Health Service, which means that not only are they paying for it, but they are the deliverers of the product. And the NHS has blown an enormous hole in the UK economy for decades. The whole thing's a disaster. I thought this was interesting though, Clay, that of the eight Senate Democrats who have voted to end the shutdown, none of them are up for reelection next year. So the thing that they have going for, the thing that they all have in common is that they're not facing angry AOC leftists next year because it's a, it's a pretty wide. You got Dick Durbin out of Illinois, Super Bowl.

[Clay Travis]

Several of those guys, too are stepping down. Buck, like that's right. Shaheen, like they're just, they're just waving on their way out.

[Buck Sexton]

So these are the Democrats that it's safe for them to stop the madness. Cortez Masto, Nevada. Well, you got a purple state there, but she's not up next year. You know, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Jackie Rose in Nevada, Gene Shaheen, New Hampshire. None of them are up. I think that's very interesting.

[Clay Travis]

Most vulnerable incumbent, in fact, is Jon Ossoff, who next year Georgians will be deciding, hey, are we going to reelect this guy? There's a primary battle underway to figure out who the Republican nominee is going to be. He supported this. And Georgia, you talk about a state that is truly up for grabs. All of the elections in Georgia have been very close, notwithstanding the statewide win that Brian Kemp had that was so substantial in 2022. But yeah, in 2026, Ossoff is up next year. He's probably the only sitting incumbent that would be in true peril in terms of potentially getting beaten in a normal election cycle where it doesn't drastically favor one side or the other. And he voted to continue the shutdown, and he's been voting in favor of men and women's sports. And so he's really out of touch with the overall voters of Georgia. Now the question will be what does the electorate look like in, you know, 11 months there? But it is interesting to me that he bent the knee and stayed committed to the far left wing, even in a very middle of the road state.

[Buck Sexton]

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[Buck Sexton]

Got a bunch of things want to talk to you about. Obviously the shutdown is coming to an end. Longest shutdown in our history. And the Democrats are trying to say they fought the good fight, really. They threw a temper tantrum and they made people anxious, frustrated and made people suffer. Just because Democrats like to do those things, they did not actually achieve their main end. But we'll discuss that a bit more coming up. We've also got the very, very important news that Klay reminded me of that Kim Kardashian, despite trying, did not pass the California bar exam. I believe she's tried a few times at this point, but has not, has not yet passed it. So we're hoping we're pulling for Kim to pass the bar exam. I think she isn't she worth a billion dollars? So this really is just like a personal mountain that she is trying to climb.

[Clay Travis]

I will get into this, but yes, she is. She definitely does not need the money that might come from practicing law in any way.

[Buck Sexton]

So that's not obviously an important story, but it's one of those stories that people are going to be talking about. So I just thought I would let you know she has failed the bar exam three times already, but she's going to keep going. And you know what, Clay, a wise man once said to me? Persistence is the key. Persistence is the key. Very, very important.

[Clay Travis]

A lot of people are making fun of her and I'll just say this. I think we should encourage people to try to do hard things and it would be very easy, to your point, Buck, when you become a billionaire, to just say, hey, I've got everything I could possibly want. I'm not going to try to push myself any further. And she decided she wanted to try to become a lawyer, and she is attempting to do it. I would point out. Who was it that failed the bar a ton of times? JFK Jr. I think, if I remember correctly.

[Buck Sexton]

Yeah, yeah. Well, no one thought that JFK Jr. Was going to be a rocket scientist, so that's not surprising.

[Clay Travis]

From what I mean, he went straight to law school. I think they let him into Columbia or Harvard or wherever the heck they did.

[Buck Sexton]

Completely irrelevant. They let him in because of his last name.

[Clay Travis]

Yes.

[Buck Sexton]

He could be illiterate as a candidate and they would have let him into Harvard Law School and he continued to fail.

[Clay Travis]

So, anyway, well, I, I do think everybody's trying to poke fun at her, but I give her credit for being willing to try to do something super hard when she could just chill and have an easy life.

[Buck Sexton]

I think it's. I think it's important to always try to work on yourself and to be willing to embrace the humility that must come with that. So I, I'm actually with you. I'm far less. I'm not, you know, oh, my gosh, how could she fail the bar exam? Good for Kim Kardashian for trying and hopefully at some point she'll pass. On the other side of the gratitude scale. Yes. On the other side of that scale, we have the former first lady, Michelle Obama, who has a remarkable talent for seeming just perpetually ungrateful and full of grievance, which for somebody who has, who was the first lady for eight years, I don't even know how many magazine covers has her pick of which billionaires, $300 million yacht she chooses to vacation with her daughters on. I don't know if you could find all in a more privileged and elitist person on the planet. It would be very hard. Right. Because, you know, yeah, there's like, like Elon Musk is worth a ton of money, but Elon Musk is like sleeping on the floor of the Tesla factory building all this stuff, big cost to his personal life. Some people hate him, obviously, because he allied with Trump. Michelle Obama, everywhere she goes, she is worshiped. Yes, worshiped by elite society. And yet when she talks about things like, for example, how she needed to have a celebrity style, glam team when she was in the White House. This is how she speaks of it. Play eight.

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[Buck Sexton]

Yes.

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You know, I know having a glam team, a trifecta, it feels like a luxury, but it was a time necessity. There's absolutely no way that I would be able to do my hair and makeup and have clothes ready that fit, you know, because where is the woman that can live off the rack?

[Buck Sexton]

I know a lot of women who live off the rack, Clay. I know a lot. Actually.

[Clay Travis]

Michelle Obama might be the person who should give the country more gratitude than anyone that has the least gratitude of anyone in public eye that I can see. And every time she speaks, I like her less. And I don't think I'm unique in that. She has been coddled, she's been protected. She has been told that she is incredibly accomplished and a uniquely transcendent figure, such that she decided that she needed to start her own podcast. I actually feel sorry for Barack Obama for having to deal with her. And let, let me explain why that is. I, I, I went off, I, I might have gone off more on this than almost anybody in the country. When she wasn't willing to show up for Jimmy Carter's funeral, to me, it was such a personal slap in the face to every American. Look, I understand you don't want to always have to go to public events, but when you run for President of the United States or when you are married to the President of the United States, there are certain moments that demand to me that you show up and show the least semblance of respect for the country that you could. Hillary Clinton was at the funeral for Jimmy Carter. The Bushes were at the funeral for Jimmy Carter. Certainly Trump and Melania were there. It doesn't take a lot to be willing to give a few hours of your time to get on a private jet and fly somewhere, get off, be respectful for a couple of hours. She didn't show up for the inauguration of Trump. Barack Obama did. I give him credit for that. She doesn't seem like a person that would be fun to spend time with, Buck. And I just, I, I look at this, and instead of saying, hey, boy, you know, I'm from, I think the south side of Chicago, if I'm not mistaken. I grew up and I got to be the first lady of the United States. I married the president. What is an incredible story that is that you can be a kid from the south side of Chicago and you can grow up to do this. Right? I mean, you know who's actually leaned into that? Cuz I think he's also from the south side of Chicago. The Pope, The American Pope, Leo. He's talked. I've seen quite a lot about how amazing it is that a kid who grew up on the south side of Chicago could ascend to become the Pope. I just, every time Michelle Obama speaks, I think to myself, what a. Be careful here. You might need to turn down the radio. What a, what an ungrateful. Michelle Obama is unique among all of the first ladies of different political parties. All she does is whine and talk like, hey, well, I have to have a glam squad or I'm not even gonna travel with my, with my wardrobe people. Oh, I don't, I don't wear a lot of things off the rack. I wear everything off the rack. I know a lot of women that wear things off the rack. Now you can come after me. Because I shouldn't. Because you should say, oh, you should have that better tailored. Oh, why are your pants drag? Why are your sleeves too long? Those are criticisms. The answer is because I just buy things off the rack and I'm not a diva. And I just, I, I don't get it. I don't get it. Every time she speaks, Buck, I just think to myself, boy, she had an opportunity. She reminds me of the US Women's soccer team. I think there's a lot of this. I don't think it's just unique to her. For left wing people, do you remember when Megan Rapinoe, they were playing in the World cup and she just chose that opportunity to take shots at President Trump, said, I'm not going to go to the White House, I'm not going to visit. And then she insulted him with expletives. And I'm thinking to myself, you were on the national stage for young women everywhere around the world who aspire to grow up and be great soccer players like you. How about a scintilla of gratitude for the fact that you have this opportunity and this left wing. And I think it's primarily women, honestly, which is the foundation of the Democrat Party. This left wing hectoring ungrateful baseline bitchiness that is the Democrat Party, Buck. I think it's why men are done with them. Every man out there is like, yeah, I've had to deal with that in my life. It's like every single Democrat woman has got her Finger out. And she's lecturing you all day long. And I think a lot of women out there listening to us right now are nodding along. It's like the whole party is just the most annoying person at your job who's lecturing you about something that she doesn't like that really isn't anything wrong at all.

[Buck Sexton]

Nothing has changed, by the way, in the apparent attitude that Michelle Obama, formerly Michelle Robinson, has. You can easily go find her Princeton thesis, which I read back in the.

[Clay Travis]

You told me it was just atrocious administration. It is atrocious.

[Buck Sexton]

It is absolutely brutal reading in terms of. You're like, what is this? But it's Princeton educated blacks and the black community is. Was her. Was her thesis. Does anyone want to guess what it's about? The isolation and the feelings of subtle racism you deal with as a black student at Princeton. She wrote her thesis on this. Her entire, like the peak, the pinnacle of her academic life as an undergraduate was to write a hundred page wine about how hard it was to be black at Princeton. Which, by the way, this was in the heyday of affirmative action. She probably got about 300 points worth of assistance on, in terms of SAT comparison, at least 200 plus points to get into Princeton.

[Clay Travis]

Yeah. So the only reason she could whine about being black at Princeton is because she was black at Princeton.

[Buck Sexton]

And being black and applying to Princeton at that time was a particular privilege in the admissions process. So, yes, that is the great irony of this. Michelle Obama got into Princeton in large part because she was a black woman. And then she wrote a thesis about how hard it was to be a black woman at Princeton. And that kind of sums up the attitude.

[Clay Travis]

I also think it sums up the legacy media in general. The protect, you see, the. I don't know that we played this clip, I think it was last week, it was going viral. She was saying something like, oh, our family never got the grace that other families got. And I saw that clip. Maybe we can grab it before we finish the hour. And I'm sorry, Buck, do you remember, as I do, the Bush daughters getting destroyed by national media for relatively minor teenage related infractions as if they were modern day, you know, felons of a. Of an enormous magnitude. They got treated basically the same as Hunter. Uh, and by the way, how about the Bidens? Now they did a lot, but Hunter and all the other Biden kids got incredible negative media attention. And Chelsea back in the day, I don't remember everybody bending over backwards to treat Chelsea really well. And so you look at all the other kids. I would say that the Obamas and their daughters got treated more fairly than any children of the president have, regardless of political party in my whole life. And we know we've had all these guys on the program. Do you think the Trumps have been treated fairly like the kids? I'm not talking about Trump himself. They would put them in prison if they could, for sure. And they haven't done anything wrong.

[Buck Sexton]

Yes. All true. No. The Democrats tried to be clear. They would. It's not just they would desire to put Trump family members in prison. They made moves to do so.

[Clay Travis]

Oh, totally.

[Buck Sexton]

It's a whole other people are going.

[Clay Travis]

To say, oh, well, Hunter. Yeah. Hunter committed about 100 felonies on his laptop. If you just click and went and looked through any of Hunter's laptop, he got insanely favorable treatment.

[Buck Sexton]

I guess maybe it was all just Russian disinformation, that story. That's a joke, everybody. That's a joke. Calm down. Calm down. Go ahead, Clay.

[Clay Travis]

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