Defending Free Speech across the Globe plus DOGE Finds $4.7 Trillion in Unaccountable Government Spending

Summary

Verdict with Ted Cruz: Episode Summary Title: Defending Free Speech across the Globe plus DOGE Finds $4.7 Trillion in Unaccountable Government Spending
Release Date: February 19, 2025
Host: Senator Ted Cruz and Co-Host Ben Ferguson
Description: Senator Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson delve into critical global and national issues, analyzing threats to free speech worldwide and uncovering significant government spending irregularities.

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1. Defending Free Speech Across the Globe

Overview:
Senator Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson open the discussion by addressing the alarming decline of free speech in Europe. Highlighting recent events and speeches, they emphasize the urgency of protecting this fundamental liberty both internationally and domestically.

Key Points:

• Global Assault on Free Speech:
  Cruz underscores that the erosion of free speech isn't confined to Europe but poses a global threat, including concerns within the United States.
  “The state of free speech is something that has not been talked about a lot lately because we had this big victory here with Donald Trump and conservatives in charge.” ([01:28])

• JD Vance’s Speech at the Munich Security Conference:
  Ben Ferguson lauds Vice President JD Vance for his brave stance against European governments’ suppression of free speech. Vance's speech at the Munich Security Conference critiqued Europe's departure from free speech values.
  “He gave a speech... calling out Europe for its abandonment of the values of free speech and how much of Europe has given up on those values.” ([01:54])

• Examples of Free Speech Suppression in Europe:

  • United Kingdom:
    The prosecution of Adam Smith Connor for silently praying near an abortion clinic exemplifies the UK's stringent laws against peaceful expression.
    “Adam was found guilty of breaking the government's new buffer zones law which criminalizes silent prayer...” ([07:38])

  • Germany:
    German law now criminalizes public and online insults, with harsh penalties intended to curb malicious speech. Ferguson draws parallels between these laws and totalitarian practices.
    “Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes.” ([12:03])

Notable Quotes:

• JD Vance:
  “Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.” ([07:38])

• Ben Ferguson:
  “The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time for repeat offenders.” ([12:53])

• Senator Ted Cruz:
  “If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime?” ([12:35])

Insights and Conclusions:
Cruz and Ferguson warn that Europe’s restrictive measures on free speech could serve as a precursor to similar actions in the United States. They advocate for vigilance and proactive measures to safeguard free expression, emphasizing its foundational role in democratic societies.

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2. DOGE Finds $4.7 Trillion in Unaccountable Government Spending

Overview:
The hosts shift focus to a groundbreaking revelation by DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency), uncovering $4.7 trillion in federal payments lacking proper accountability and traceability.

Key Points:

• DOGE’s Investigation Findings:
  DOGE identified nearly $4.7 trillion in federal payments where the Treasury Access Symbol (TAS) was often left blank, making it nearly impossible to trace the allocation of these funds.
  “In the Federal Government, the TAS field was optional for $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible.” ([19:02])

• Implications of Unaccounted Spending:
  This massive sum highlights systemic issues of waste, incompetence, and lack of oversight within federal financial operations. Ferguson emphasizes the scale by breaking down the magnitude of $4.7 trillion:
  “A trillion dollars is a thousand thousand times more than a million dollars. And 4.7 trillion is even... a massive amount.” ([20:46])

• Culture of Indifference and Waste:
  Ferguson discusses the entrenched culture within the government where officials are indifferent to wasteful spending because the money doesn't belong to them personally. This mentality fosters ongoing fraud and misuse of funds.
  “If you're spending someone else's money, you don't care about it.” ([20:58])

Notable Quotes:

• Ben Ferguson:
  “The problem in government is there's a culture of endemic waste that is enormously problematic.” ([20:58])

• Senator Ted Cruz:
  “If you don't know where the money's going, you can't trace the money, then you can't ask questions.” ([20:46])

Insights and Conclusions:
The revelation by DOGE underscores the urgent need for reform in federal financial accountability. Cruz and Ferguson call for increased oversight and transparency to prevent further waste and ensure taxpayer money is used effectively and responsibly.

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3. Illegal Immigrants Receiving Benefits

Overview:
The discussion pivots to the issue of illegal immigrants accessing government benefits, highlighting potential fraud and the administration’s stance on enforcement.

Key Points:

• Fraudulent Access to Benefits:
  Cruz addresses the concern of illegal immigrants unlawfully receiving child tax credits and other benefits, questioning the effectiveness of current enforcement mechanisms.
  “Millions of illegal aliens... have fake Social Security numbers. They have fake identities.” ([27:09])

• Exchange with Stephen Miller:
  An exchange between Cruz and Stephen Miller exposes CNN’s alleged bias against enforcing laws that prevent illegal immigrants from accessing benefits.
  “CNN is endlessly talked about the importance of democracy and the rule of law... they are just hell bent on saying Donald Trump bad. Elon Musk bad. Doge bad.” ([29:05])

• Call for Law Enforcement Action:
  Ferguson emphasizes the necessity of prosecuting illegal immigrants who engage in fraud, advocating for the integration of IRS findings with other federal agencies to combat this issue effectively.
  “The federal government should enforce the law. If you have illegal aliens who are stealing from the taxpayers, they should be prosecuted.” ([30:29])

Notable Quotes:

• Senator Ted Cruz:
  “No one is given immunity anymore. No one is given permission to break the law anymore.” ([27:08])

• Ben Ferguson:
  “The bizarre position CNN is taking is... they have a position on this. They don't want the law enforced.” ([29:18])

Insights and Conclusions:
Cruz and Ferguson criticize media outlets like CNN for allegedly undermining law enforcement efforts to prevent illegal immigrants from fraudulently accessing government benefits. They advocate for stricter enforcement and inter-agency collaboration to safeguard taxpayer dollars and uphold the rule of law.

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Closing Remarks

Throughout the episode, Senator Ted Cruz and Ben Ferguson stress the importance of vigilance in defending free speech and ensuring government accountability. By highlighting threats both abroad and within the United States, they call on listeners to remain informed and proactive in protecting fundamental liberties and taxpayer interests.

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Notable Timestamped Quotes:

• “Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.” – JD Vance ([07:38])
• “The problem in government is there's a culture of endemic waste that is enormously problematic.” – Ben Ferguson ([20:58])
• “No one is given immunity anymore. No one is given permission to break the law anymore.” – Senator Ted Cruz ([27:08])

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Conclusion:
This episode of "Verdict with Ted Cruz" provides a critical examination of pressing issues surrounding free speech and government spending. By dissecting recent developments and offering insightful commentary, Cruz and Ferguson equip listeners with the knowledge to understand and respond to these challenges effectively.

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[Ben Ferguson]

It is indeed, and let me say, free speech is a fundamental liberty. There is a reason it is protected in the First Amendment to the Constitution. And on this podcast we have covered the assault on free speech in the United Kingdom. Sadly, it is not just the uk. It is all of Europe. It is the United States. It is a global assault on free speech. But tonight we're going to break down number one, J.D. vance. He gave an incredible speech in Europe that I think really was important. It was calling out Europe for its abandonment of the values of free speech and how much of Europe has given up on those values. Secondly, we're going to talk about Doge Elon Musk diving into the incredible waste and abuse we see in our federal government and in particular over $4 trillion in federal payments that are unaccountable that we cannot figure out where they went. We're going to break that down as well.

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[Ben Ferguson]

Well, listen often Europe and the United States for flow on similar trend lines. You look at in the 1980s, Ronald Reagan became president, Margaret Thatcher became president. You look at after that you had George Herbert Walker Bush and then you had John Major. You look at Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. There are similar trend lines between the United States and Europe and those trend lines are interwoven when it comes to fundamental liberties under the United States Constitution, the First Amendment, you've got religious liberty and free speech. And those are the two fundamental rights upon which all of our other liberties are built. And one of the most distressing things, you look back, even five, 10 years ago, the left defended free speech. The left believed in free speech. As I look at today's Democrats, one of the things that scares me the most is the left has abandoned free speech. They've decided if you don't say what we agree with, we will silence you, we will cancel you. We will use big tech to muzzle you. We will use the power of government to fire you, to oppress you, and even to incarcerate you. Now, the last piece may seem extreme. You might say, okay, look, we don't live in a world where you get locked up for what you say. Well, you know what? Much like the canary in the coal mine, Europe is a precursor to where America is heading. And if you look at Europe, we have seen an assault on free speech that is terrifying. Now, in this podcast, you and I have talked about in the United Kingdom, in particular, the efforts to prosecute those who tweet things that are deemed unacceptable. Those who speak out. Those who speak out against the epidemic of child rape. Child rape we see from Pakistani Muslims engaged in rape gangs raping not just hundreds, but thousands of children. And yet in the uk, for years, for decades, there was a culture of repression and the unwillingness of the political environment to talk about it. Now, I will say we saw J.D. vance, my friend, the Vice President, go to Europe this past week and give a speech that I think is really important. It shocked Europe. He was at the Munich Security Conference, which I've been to before. It's a conference that many of the nations of Europe go to. The United States go to. They're typically roughly a dozen 20 US senators to go to. And he gave a speech. Normally a government official supposed to give a speech about how America and Europe are on the same side. We're all standing together. Rah, rah, rah, jd. I'm proud of him. The speech he gave, he called out Europe for their willingness to violate free speech. I want you to give a listen to this excerpt from JD's speech.

[J.D. Vance]

And unfortunately, when I look at Europe today, it's sometimes not so clear what happened to some of the Cold War's winners. I look to Brussels, where EU Commission commissars warned citizens that they intend to to shut down social media during times of civil unrest. The moment they spot what they've judged to be, quote, hateful content. Or to this very country where police have carried out raids against citizens suspected of posting anti feminist comments online as part of, quote, combating misogyny on the Internet. A day of action. I look to Sweden, where two weeks ago the government convicted a Christian activist for participating in Koran burnings that resulted in his friend's murder. And as the judge in his case chillingly noted, Sweden's laws to supposedly protect free expression do not in fact grant, and I'm quoting, a free pass to do or say anything without risking offending the group that holds that belief. And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom, where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular in the crosshairs. A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam smith Connor, a 51 year old physiotherapist and an army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing 50 meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes. Not obstructing anyone, not interacting with anyone, just silently praying on his own. After British law enforcement spotted him and demanded to know what he was praying for, Adam replied simply, it was on behalf of the unborn son he and his former girlfriend had aborted years before. Now the officers were not moved. Adam was found guilty of breaking the government's new buffer zones law which criminalizes silent prayer and other actions that could influence a person's decision within 200 meters of an abortion facility. He was sentenced to pay thousands of pounds in legal costs to the prosecution. Now, I wish I could say that this was a fluke, a one off, crazy example of a badly written law being enacted against a single person. But no. This last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing letters to citizens whose houses lay within so called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the government urged readers to report any fellow citizen suspected guilty of thought crime In Britain and across Europe. Free speech, I fear, is in retreat.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, not only did he just call them out to their face, he, he told the world what each one of these countries did.

[Ben Ferguson]

Yes, yes, yes. Amen. Listen, when it comes to what fundamentally matters if we want to stay free, religious liberty is fundamental and free speech is fundamental. JD talked about how in the United Kingdom silently praying has now been deemed a criminal offense. It is difficult to find a more staggering affront to individual liberty than that. And listen, I think we have an Obligation to stand up and speak out. You know, Ben, I've talked about how Heidi and I were a mixed marriage. What do I mean by that? Heidi is a Francophile, I'm an Anglophile. Heidi loves Paris. It's her favorite city on planet Earth. I love the Brits. I love the United Kingdom. I love, I love the incredible innovation, the incredible leadership of the Brits. So we're different. And I appreciate, I preach the French, but the beauty of a marriage is you combine both. It breaks my heart to see the Brits abandoning free speech. And the Brits are not alone. It's all of Europe. I want you to listen to this. This is from 60 Minutes this past Sunday. This is a group of German prosecutors discussing German law about free speech. I gotta say, this clip horrified me fundamentally. Give a listen. Is it a crime to insult somebody in public?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Yes, it is.

[Ben Ferguson]

And it's a crime to insult them online as well?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Ben Ferguson]

The fine could be even higher if you insult someone in the Internet.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

Why?

[Ben Ferguson]

Because in Internet it stays there. If we are talking here face to face, you insult me, I insult you. Okay, fine. But in the Internet, if I insult you or a politician that sticks around forever. Yeah. The prosecutors explain German law also prohibits the spread of malicious gossip, violent threats, and fake quotes.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime?

[Ryan Seacrest]

In the case of reposting, it is a crime as well because the reader.

[Ben Ferguson]

Can'T distinguish whether you just invented this or just reposted it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ben Ferguson]

The punishment for breaking hate speech laws can include jail time for repeat offenders.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I love how they say if you post something, and notice the question there from 60 Minutes about politicians, so you're on the other side, right? It's a divided country. You post something about the, about somebody that you disagree with, they can now use that to lock you up is what they're saying. And the prosecutor's like, yes, yes, that's exactly what we're going to do now.

[Ben Ferguson]

This is the government saying, if you dare say something we disagree with, we will lock you up. So I sent two tweets in the last 24 hours. One retweeting this exchange, I said, this is not the first time the Germans have threatened to arrest you if you say something that the government doesn't like. And then number two, I retweeted the same exchange, but I said, so if someone called these guys, quote, goose stepping Nazis for gleefully enforcing totalitarian speech codes that would be deemed a crime in Germany. I gotta say, on both of those. And by the way, I literally wondered when I'm typing in these tweets, listen, I'm a sitting senator from the great state of Texas in the US Senate. As I'm typing in these tweets, I wondered, gosh, if I visit Germany a year from now, will these bastards try to arrest me because I sent a tweet? And you know what? Fine. If they do it, let's go. But let me say, how messed up is that? That if I'm sitting on my phone saying, you're threatening to lock people up for saying things your government doesn't like and people are afraid, okay, I cannot disagree with the totalitarian government. That's frightening. What has happened to Europe when free speech is speech that terrifying to the European governments that they're willing to imprison you for disagreeing with the orthodoxy of their beliefs?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, Adolf Hitler would be proud. Let's be honest, because this is exactly what he did to people that disagreed with him. He would lock them up.

[Ben Ferguson]

By the way, if you travel to Germany and you get arrested, I'm going to send you a cake with a file in it to chisel through the bars.

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[Ben Ferguson]

But listen, what you said, Adolf Hitler would be proud. Germany has a little bit of PTSD coming out of World War II. And listen, the Germans, they don't like being the bad guys of history. And I get. Listen, I'm not German, but. But I get if you're a modern German and you're kind of like, wait, our people were like, we're literally the Nazis. Yeah, I get that. That would be traumatizing, that that would make you upset, be like, what, Wait, you know, when's the last time you saw a movie where the Nazis were the good guys? They're incredibly nervous about that. But they've swung so far to the other direction. You know, I remember, I think it was in high school, I wrote a paper on how left and right in politics is not a straight line. It's not left on one side, right on the other. It's rather a circle where the extreme left and the extreme right intersect. They're both willing to interfere with individual liberty because of their radical ideology. This is a great example. I get if you're a German, you don't want to recreate the path of the Nazis. But you know what? If your government is willing to arrest someone for saying something you disagree with, guess what? You're recreating the path of the Nazis.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Ben Ferguson]

Well, let me read from our article in FOX News. Doge says it found nearly untraceable budget line items responsible for 4.7 trillion in payments. The Trump administration's Doge discovered an identification code linking U.S. treasury payments to a budget line item, which accounts for nearly $4.7 trillion in payments, which was oftentimes left blank. The treasury access symbol TAS is an identification code linking a Treasury payment to a budget line item. Standard financial process, Doge wrote in Poston on X. In the Federal Government, the TAS field was optional for $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now a required field increasing insight into where money is actually going. So understand $4.7 trillion. Listen, a million dollars is a lot of money. A billion dollars is a crap ton more. It's actually a thousand times more. A trillion dollars is a thousand thousand times more than a million dollars. And 4.7 trillion is even in federal government spending, a massive amount. The point here is the money that has been coming from the federal government has been massively wasted and there has been no accountability. And the entire governmental system is reacting in pain and horror and agony that Donald Trump and Elon Musk are bringing finally accountability to it.

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You look at the 4.7 trillion. Is this done on purpose? For this exact reason? If you don't know where the money's going, you can't trace the money, then you can't ask questions.

[Ben Ferguson]

Oh, look, yes and no. I had an old boss of mine, my very first boss, who said this. This was actually quite profound. He said, never blame on malice. What can be explained with incompetence? Look, that, that explains a lot of government. There is massive waste. There is massive politicization and weaponization. If you're spending your own money, you care about it, Ben, you care about your own money. If you're spending someone else's money, you don't care about it. And that problem in government is there's a culture of endemic waste that is enormously problematic. And you combine that with the politicization that there's a. It doesn't matter. I'm spending someone else's money, I don't care. And I'm going to spend it to promote transgender witches in some far off country. That's what we've seen and that's what Trump and Elon are exposing. How to have fun anytime, anywhere. Step one, go to chumbacasino.com chumbacasino.com Got it.

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[Ben Ferguson]

Let me ask you this. Is there one Democrat you know who has criticized one single example of massive waste, abuse and fraud? And by the way, by one Democrat, I don't mean James Carville. We talked about that two days ago. I don't mean a consultant. I mean one elected Democrat. I can tell you in the US Senate, I don't know of a single one, do you?

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[Ben Ferguson]

Listen to this exchange with Stephen Miller because it is, it is hysterical. By the way, tonight I saw Stephen, I was at a party. So Howard Lutnick was just confirmed as Commerce Secretary at a party at his house. I saw Stephen this evening and I told him, great job on cnn. Listen to this exchange because she really is, it's nutty. And I got to say, CNN has become a clown show. It's not even, it's not even real journalism. It's just silly. But listen to this back and forth.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

You mentioned yesterday and you mentioned again here, illegal immigrants who are getting child tax credits. If are you looking for that information in the IRS data? Anytime a crime is committed, of course there should be an investigation. Is it your position that if somebody who is Stephen, are you looking for that information in the taxpayer dollars data? The federal government will find every illegal alien who is stealing American taxpayer dollars, and that is what Americans find that in the irs. I don't even fathom that with your question. It's a simple question. And you find that information in the IRS data, share that with law enforcement. IRS investigators find illegal aliens stealing taxpayer money, of course they'll be referred to ice. Of course it'll be referred to Homeland Security investigations. Of course they will be. Surely your position is not that we should let illegal aliens steal taxpayer dollars. Again, you want to talk about something to be upset about?

[Ben Ferguson]

That's it.

[Senator Ted Cruz]

What do you think the millions of illegal aliens who have also stolen Social Security, illegal aliens en masse have fake Social Security numbers. They have fake identities. Those are fake felonies. Why should there be an entire class in this country that is immunized from criminal prosecution and arrest for committing felonies? Felony theft of taxpayer information, felony theft of Social Security, felony theft of identity. These Are all crimes. And yes, they will be investigated. Yes, they will be prosecuted. And yes, he will be deported. And you know what happens when those deportations occur, just very quickly is that Americans will get jobs, Americans will get benefits, Americans will get houses. Stephen, if they got a child, if they got a credit, a child tax credit. And they, they will be referred, you're saying, to ICE for that. And you would expect. Deported for that. Is that, is that the position of the administration? If it is found that a crime has been committed, they'll be referred. If the, if it is justifies the prosecution, they'll be prosecuted. If it justifies a deportation, they will be deported. This will be based on existing IRS protocols and procedures for criminal investigation and fraud. The difference is that no one is given immunity anymore. No one is given permission to break the law anymore, because this is not a country. This is not a sovereign territory. If illegal aliens can freely steal billions with a B, billions of taxpayer dollars, and I would have to imagine that cnn, which is endlessly talked about the importance of democracy and the rule of law, would say that no class in this country should be above the law, least of all illegal aliens who've trespassed on our territory. Stephen, I'm just asking. I wanted to get your position on some things. This. We're not taking a position here. We wanted to get some answers to some questions. There are so many questions that need to be answered, like you are, in fact, indifferent or unbiased on these questions. But thank you, Stephen Miller, thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. And we'll be right back. Thank you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's amazing. Is it? Just like, we don't take positions here. And I love how he grins. He grins and laughs in her face. Like, are you kidding me? Everybody watching right now knows exactly what you're doing. And you're trying to act like we're doing something wrong when in fact we're saving taxpayers dollars.

[Ben Ferguson]

What Miller is saying is exactly right. The federal government should enforce the law. If you have illegal aliens who are stealing from the taxpayers, they should be prosecuted. And the bizarre position CNN is taking is, well, if the IRS knows that you're illegally stealing from the taxpayers, the IRS shouldn't tell that to the rest of the federal government. You should protect the illegal aliens who are stealing from the taxpayers. That's a weird proposition. Why is the IRS separate from doj, separate from dhs, separate from ice, separate from all of the different federal agencies? And CNN is so vested in saying we want millions of illegal aliens here and we want there to be no consequences to their continuing to engage in fraud, to work illegally, to draw Social Security payments, to draw government payments fraudulently. That is CNN's position. And I gotta say I'm gonna credit Stephen Miller for calling out CNN for they're not engaged in news. They have a position on this. They don't want the law enforced. And I gotta say, I think the American people do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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