Consequences Are Coming for Widespread Fraud | Episode 289

Summary

VINCE Podcast, Episode 289 - "Consequences Are Coming for Widespread Fraud"

Host: Vince Coglianese
Date: May 14, 2026
Main Theme:
A fast-paced, insight-heavy episode on three explosive fronts: President Trump's high-stakes state visit to China, the Biden administration’s crackdown on Medicaid fraud, and dramatic whistleblower testimony revealing government coverups around COVID-19 and intelligence secrets.

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Episode Overview

Vince Coglianese, known for his sharp, skeptical, and high-energy analysis, covers three major issues dominating the news:

• Detailed recap and analysis of President Trump’s breakthrough trip to China, focusing on American business interests, fentanyl, oil, and Taiwan.
• J.D. Vance’s announcement of unprecedented action against Medicaid and hospice fraud, with California singled out for nearly $1.3 billion in frozen funds.
• Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield’s explosive interview on the COVID-19 lab leak coverup, Anthony Fauci’s deception, and new allegations about the CIA concealing key documents from public release.

Throughout, Vince’s tone is brisk, forthright, and laced with skepticism toward government transparency.

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Trump’s State Visit to China: Substance over Spectacle

[00:00–17:14]

US Readout: Economic & Security Highlights

• President Trump’s trip involved CEOs like Elon Musk and “Tim Apple” (Tim Cook) to bolster US business in China.
• The US prioritized expanding market access for American companies, increasing Chinese investment, targeting fentanyl precursor flows, and bolstering US agricultural sales (notably soybeans).
• Vince:

  “The president will be like, how do I get China to spend more money on America? That seems very Trumpian.” ([04:20])

Security: Oil, Trade, and Iran

• Both leaders discussed keeping the Strait of Hormuz open to energy flows, confronting Iran’s regional leverage.
• Xi Jinping expressed willingness to buy more US oil, which Vince lauded as “one export where the Chinese can’t steal the intellectual property.”
• Vince:

  “That would reduce China’s dependence on Iran... can’t reverse engineer oil.” ([09:50])

Taiwan: The Core Tension

• China emphasized Taiwan as “the most important” issue, warning of “clashes and even conflicts” if the US supports independence.
• Vince sharply critiques Xi’s “veiled threat,” noting the US intentionally omitted Taiwan from its readout but supports strategic ambiguity and on-shoring semiconductor production.
• Vince:

  “Xi Jinping should watch his mouth. This... cannot be interpreted any other way than China issuing a threat to President Trump.” ([10:50])

Notable Moments

• Trump famously sipped champagne—despite being a teetotaler—as a gesture of respect at the state dinner.
  (Commentary at [12:36])

• Trump: “It was a fantastic day... a magnificent welcome like none other... productive conversations... all good for the United States and for China.” ([13:36])

• Trump invited Xi and Madam Peng to the White House for September 24, declaring:

  “I’d now like to raise a glass and propose a toast...” ([14:56])

Xi’s Speech: Omission of ‘Liberty’

• Xi praises “patriotism, innovation, enterprise” in the US, omitting “liberty.” Vince calls this a telling absence:

  “Liberty is a threat to Xi Jinping. So he would hardly celebrate it.” ([17:02])

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2. J.D. Vance & the Medicaid Fraud Crackdown

[17:14–27:27]

New Enforcement Measures

• Vance announces aggressive letters to all 50 Medicaid programs demanding proof of anti-fraud efforts. Non-compliant states will lose federal anti-fraud funding; California is first, losing $1.3B.

• “Today we are sending letters... show that they are effectively and aggressively prosecuting Medicaid fraud... If they do not... we are going to turn off the money.” — J.D. Vance ([21:17])

Unprecedented Action in California

• Feds halt $1.3B to California due to lack of action. Dr. Oz, now at CMS, details the suspension of 800 Los Angeles ‘hospices’ suspected of fraud ($1.4B taxpayer charge).

• Dr. Oz: “A third of all hospices in the entire country are in Los Angeles... at least half... are fraudulent. Today we announce 800 of those hospices have been suspended.” ([24:25])

Nationwide Hospice Moratorium

• Because fraudsters migrate, a moratorium halts all new hospice/home health licenses nationwide until systems are improved.

Skepticism Confirmed: No Complaints from Fraudsters

• Vance is amazed that out of 800 suspended hospices, fewer than 20 (with dubious legitimacy) have called to complain.

• Vance: “Not a single one of them called the government to say, ‘Hey, you made a mistake.’ ... 780 are not even trying to claim that they’re not fraudulent... completely insane.” ([26:50])

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3. Dr. Robert Redfield Interview: The COVID Lab Leak, Fauci & CIA Coverups

[30:29–47:12]

Explosive Testimony & Fauci’s Coverup

• Redfield regards the Senate CIA whistleblower’s testimony as “very credible... a lot of courage.” He believes Fauci’s efforts to claim a wet market origin were “intentional.”

• “Fauci’s involvement in covering up the true origin of COVID was intentional.” — Dr. Redfield ([31:05])

Fauci’s Semantic Dodge & Gain-of-Function

• Fauci “changed the definition” of gain-of-function research to skirt the ban. Redfield calls this “artificial, very unnecessary” and a “big mistake.”

• “Tony did that intentionally. He changed the definition of gain of function research... just to keep himself clean.” — Dr. Redfield ([36:41])

Morality & Trust in Science

• Redfield contrasts his forthrightness with Fauci’s tendency to “give the answer you wanted,” highlighting Fauci’s reliance on public polling over science.

• “I would have a hard time... Tony, unfortunately... wielded power, duplicity, and semantic nonsense.” — Dr. Redfield ([39:03])

• On public trust:

  “We lost credibility because some people chose not to tell the truth... we can’t have a public health response without credibility.” ([44:21])

Upcoming Threats

• Redfield sounds the alarm for future pandemics (notably bird flu) with dramatically higher mortality rates.

Hantavirus Mini-Scare

• Downplays media fears about hantavirus, calling it a minor, contained event.

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4. Whistleblower Fallout: CIA, COVID, and Hidden History Files

[48:29–53:57]

CIA Obstruction & Public Transparency

• CIA whistleblower accuses the agency of resisting Congressional mandates for COVID-origin document declassification.

• Q: Is there still resistance from the CIA to comply with the law passed to declassify all the COVID information?
  A: “Yes.” — CIA Whistleblower ([48:39])

• CIA retorts that hearings are “dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing.” Vince and Senator Rand Paul reject these claims, demanding public oversight.

• Paul: “Closed door testimony doesn’t provide oversight. Public testimony provides oversight.” ([51:07])

Alleged CIA Seizure of JFK & MK Ultra Files

• Whistleblower reveals the CIA reclaimed 40 boxes of JFK assassination and mind control (MK Ultra) files from the office of Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard, thwarting imminent declassification.

• “The CIA... took back 40 boxes of JFK files and MK Ultra files being processed for declassification...” ([52:53])

• DNI's office denies a “raid,” insisting the semantics distract from the main issue: the CIA apparently obstructed public disclosure.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On China’s Fentanyl Threat:

  “China has been menacing when it comes to this issue... millions killed because China has been just pumping the fentanyl precursors into our system.” — Vince Coglianese ([05:00])

• Trump on US-China Relations:

  “It was a fantastic day... a magnificent welcome like none other... all good for the United States and for China.” — President Trump ([13:36])

• Dr. Redfield on Fauci:

  “Fauci’s involvement in covering up the true origin of COVID was intentional.” ([31:05]) “Tony did that intentionally. He changed the definition of gain of function research…” ([36:41])

• J.D. Vance on Fraud:

  “If they do not aggressively prosecute Medicaid fraud, we are going to turn off the money…” ([21:17]) “Not a single one... called to say, ‘Hey, you made a mistake.’ ... just completely insane.” ([26:50])

• Sen. Paul on the CIA:

  “Closed door testimony doesn’t provide oversight. Public testimony provides oversight.” ([51:07])

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Concluding Notes

The episode closes with Vince sharply demanding government transparency and anticipating more revelations:

“The American people demand transparency for this thing that upended their entire lives.” ([51:07])

Vince laughs at CIA denials, jokes that maybe he’ll get “raided,” and promises further coverage:

“I’ll be back with you tomorrow. Unless the CIA raids me. We’ll see. You never know.” ([53:57])

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For listeners hungry for unvarnished analysis of what’s really happening in American politics, government, and global affairs, this episode delivers a powerhouse blend of reporting, opinion, and behind-the-scenes revelations.

Transcript

[Vince Coglianese]

Hey everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Thursday. It's great to have you with us as always. We've got a massive, massive show ahead. Actually, a great guest is coming up on the program. We have Dr. Robert Redfield. Remember he was CDC director under President Trump in the first term. He's joining us today. We'll talk to him about that epic whistleblower testimony before the Senate yesterday and about Anthony Fauci's cover up of the origins of COVID There's a lot to discuss on that issue ahead on the program. Of course. Today I want to give you an update on the President's trip to China. We just got some updates overnight. Of course, most of the activity in China is happening while we're sleeping. So I'll catch you up on what was happening while you were catching your 40 winks. And then we've also got the issue of resolving fraud in the United States. J.D. vance is all over that big announcement. Man, we've got so much to get to. We'll do that today on this edition of Vince. Let's see. 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All right, so we look forward to that conversation with Robert Redfield. I'm fascinated by this whistleblower and I do want to talk to you if I can, if we can fit it all in, I think we can. Today, I want to talk to you about one of the claims that he made yesterday, that the CIA, the CIA whistleblower, that apparently some CIA agents went over to Tulsi Gabbard's office and were grabbing JFK files and MK Ultra, you know, the mind control files, grabbing them and then seizing them, not letting her declassify them for the American public. I'm going to go through the sort of what we know at this hour summary and we're learning a lot, so we'll, we'll go through that in its entirety. So, but first, let me get to the president of the United States and China. So President Trump heads over to China, brings the whole team with him, brings a ton of CEOs with him. And overnight here in America and during the daytime there in China, apparently they had a great day. They had a great day. The president was very gracious, very happy. Xi Jinping and the Chinese delegation, they pulled out all the stops to try and really take care of President Trump and his team and impress him and, and, and just be good hosts. That's, that's just true. That's what they were doing. And, and the president and Xi Jinping, of course, met, they had what they refer to as a bilateral meeting where the two of them just talk. At one point, the president did bring in a bunch of the CEOs, you know, Elon Musk and Tim Apple and the rest of them so that they could try and, you know, advance American business interests in China. Clearly that was on the agenda. But let me give you the US Readout first and then I've got some video for you. Here's the US Readout of this conversation with, with President Trump and Xi Jinping. And this is what we, you always look at the readouts because these are just kind of the top line summaries that are meant for public dissemination. But both countries, in any bilateral situation that's behind closed doors. Both countries will offer their own interpretation of events. They'll have their own summaries, their own priorities, despite the fact that they were all part of the same conversation. And here's what President Trump, the White House is saying this morning they said that President Trump had a good meeting with President Xi of China. The two sides discussed ways to enhance economic cooperation between our two countries, including expanding market access for American businesses into China and increasing Chinese investment into our industries. Not a shock. That seems very Trumpian. Very Trumpian. The president will be like, how do I get China to spend more money on America? Leaders from many of the United States largest companies joined a portion of the meeting. As I mentioned, the president also, the presidents also highlighted the need to build on progress in ending the flow of fentanyl precursors into the United States. What did I tell you yesterday? That's gotta be a big topic. And right there near the top is this issue of how do we get keep Americans alive. China has been menacing when it comes to this issue. We've had hundreds of thousands of Americans killed, millions killed because of the drug overdoses, because China has been just pumping the fentanyl precursors into our system here. Just horrific. The president confronting that yesterday with Xi Jinping looking to, looking to stop that. Also they talked about increasing Chinese purchases of American agricultural products. I know that soybeans was apparently a big part of the conversation. More soy being sold to China. I kind of like that. Isn't that great? We get money, they get soy. Boys, let's send them the soy. That's a great idea. We'll export American soy to them. And then the two sides agreed that the Strait of Hormuz must remain open to support the free flow of energy. So they talk about the Strait of Hormuz. This is the Iran element that I was mentioning to you yesterday. That man, that's going to be one of the, the biggest priorities. China's got all this leverage over Iran, let's use it. That obviously part of the conversation. President Xi also made clear China's opposition to the militarization of the strait and any effort to charge a toll for its use. That's not an American thing by the way. That the militarization, charging tolls. That's Iran. That did not. Let's not be confused about what that means. He's talking about. They oppose Iran's maligned behavior. That's China. Also, Xi expressed interest in purchasing more American oil. More American oil. So we, as a part of those exports that we have, we can send them American oil, make more money, get them to stop funding Iran and these terrorist adversaries via the illicit black market for oil. That's. That's great. That's great. You know why that's great? In addition to that into just getting money into the United States, you can't, you can't steal the intellectual property of oil. That's one export where the Chinese can't reverse engineer it and then start creating it themselves and then, and then stealing market share by virtue of theft. It's oil. It's just a commodity that they're going to buy from us. If the President's able to pull this off, that's great. And that would reduce China's dependence on the strait and more importantly on Iran going into the future. Both countries agreed that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon. So that's the American side of the readout. What do we get from the Chinese side now? The Chinese side is, well, frankly, annoying. It's annoying. But, but China's emphasis is they want Taiwan. That apparently was the big Chinese emphasis in the meeting. We want Taiwan. In so many words, probably delivered in Mandarin through a translator. We want Taiwan. Here's the message. This is. This woman's name is Mao Ning. Mao Ning. She's a spokeswoman for the Chinese government. She said President Xi stressed to President Trump that the Taiwan question is the most important issue in China. US Relations. It's the most important one. If it's handled properly, the bilateral relationship will enjoy overall stability. Otherwise, the two countries will have clashes and even conflicts, putting the entire relationship in great jeopardy. Taiwan independence and cross strait peace are as irreconcilable as fire and water. Safeguarding peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait is the biggest common denominator between China and the United States. Xi Jinping should watch his mouth. This stunt. As much as they have pulled out all the stops for welcoming the President of the United States, this cannot be interpreted any other way than China issuing a threat to President Trump. A veiled threat, but a threat don't get in our way. We are seizing Taiwan now. The President has maintained the strategic ambiguity that Washington has held for years on this subject of Taiwan. Not issuing declarative statements, but saying, but providing military support to Taiwan, protecting our American interest in Taiwan. We get all of, get so many of our chips from Taiwan. That matters a great deal for our national security. Chips are in everything. In fact, that's one of the reasons why the President is working so hard to onshore chip development here in the United States, which is a key national security priority. We can't go into the, into the future here, even into the near future, entirely reliant on Taiwan's chip development just to function as an American economy. Not when China is constantly on the edge of invading it. You can't have that. It's too much risk for the United States. The America first thing to do would be to focus on getting all of the chip development onshore that we can, all of it. That's the key. And in fact, President Trump has convinced the tsmc, the Taiwan chip development company, to begin producing a lot of chips here in the United States. And that's great. It also makes Taiwan nervous. To be candid, Taiwan is worried that their security blanket might go away if there is more chip development in the United States. Regardless, priority one for us is our own national security. That's the key. It's about what is good for Americans. China's ambitions to invade Taiwan are never ending. But don't come to a meeting like this and then issue a veiled threat to the President of the United States. I do not think that he's going to look kindly upon that now. He's treating Xi Jinping very graciously. He hasn't said anything about Taiwan. In fact, you even saw the American statement, didn't even have a mention of Taiwan. And that was also by design. The things that they include and the things that they omit are by design in these statements. But just want to make you aware of kind of what both sides of this are saying. I don't. Trump is not, definitely not one to be trifled with. He's being nice because he wants a good relationship, but he doesn't have to be nice. Xi Jinping side of the conversation today, President Trump has been gracious. He thanked Xi for a magnificent welcome. They just had this, this big state dinner and there's, in fact, there's video around. Let me see if I can put this up for you real quick. President Trump apparently took a sip of champagne. Did you guys see this? He took a sip. This is very unusual. The President of the United States took a sip of champagne. He, he does not drink alcohol at all, but he made an exception here, apparently, for as a sign of honor, here he is taking a sip of champagne. Those of you watching rumble.com Vince, thank you. Everybody can see it.

[President Donald Trump]

Thank you, everybody.

[Vince Coglianese]

He raises his glass. He takes a sip, and then he instantly hands it off to the waiter. The guy carries it away. I don't know if it's a wa. That looked like an American. It was a black guy. I don't think it was Chinese. It may have been just an aide or something carrying a tray for the president with a drink that somebody probably took a sip of first just to make sure there was no poison in it. Not sure how it works exactly, but the president took a sip. He took a sip. So there you go. That's a video. That's an historic moment for you. But that's, again, a sign of respect on the part of a president who is a teetotaler, as they call him. He's not a. An alcohol consumer at all. So that's very scandalous. I'm sure the left is going to turn that into a giant scandal rather than a sign of Trump's decency and grace. The president did thank Xi Jinping for a magnificent welcome at this dinner. He was very grateful for the time that they've had together. Here's the President talking about how nice things have been.

[President Donald Trump]

It was a fantastic day. And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend, for this magnificent welcome. And it really was a magnificent welcome like none other, and for so graciously hosting us on this very historic state visit. We had extremely positive and productive conversations and meetings today with the Chinese delegation earlier. And this evening is another cherished opportunity to discuss among friends some of the things that we discussed today. All good for the United States and for China. And it was a great honor to be with you.

[Vince Coglianese]

A great honor to be with you again. The president was just, throughout all of this, was just very warm. He was talking about what a great long relationship he's had with Xi Jinping and how unusual it is. He said it's the longest such relationship in American Sino relations. The this is very unusual that two presidents would know each other for such an extended period of time. And the president was just making a show of celebrating that relationship. He also invited Xi Jinping to visit the White House this year. He said, why don't you stop on by, come by in September. You know, we'll leave a key under the mat for you. Come on in.

[President Donald Trump]

Thank you again, President Xi, for this beautiful welcome. And tonight it is my honor to extend an invitation to you and Madam Penguin to visit us at the White House this September 24th. And we look forward to it. And I'd now like to raise a glass and propose a toast to the rich and enduring Ties between the American and Chinese people. It's a very special relationship. And I want to thank you again. This has been an amazing period of time.

[Vince Coglianese]

Yeah. All right, so a big invite to Xi Jinping. We'll see if the guy takes him up on it. He should, he should do that as the President will welcome him back to the United States of America. Now, Xi himself also had remarks. Here they are translated into English of course, for our benefit. And here is what he had to say. He recognized the 250th anniversary of America. But pay attention to the so called American values in particular that he cites and the ones he doesn't listen to. This.

[Xi Jinping]

This is a historic visit. This year marks the start of China's 15th Five Year Plan for Economic and Social Development. The over 1.4 billion people of China drawing on the rich heritage of our over 5000 year civilization, advancing Chinese modernization on all fronts through high quality development. This year is all also the 250th anniversary of American independence. The over 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation and enterprise and ushering in a new journey for the development of the United States. The people of China and the United States are both great peoples. Achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation. Making America great again can go hand in hand. We can help each other succeed and advance the well being of the whole world.

[Vince Coglianese]

Winnie the Pooh. Winnie the Pooh. There he is, Xi Jinping. So you heard what he said about the United States. He was talking about reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism, innovation, an enterprise in the United States. That the American people are doing that on our 250th anniversary. Patriotism, innovation and enterprise. There's a word missing. It's liberty. The spirit of liberty. Kind of the defining value of our nation. Liberty. He didn't mention it. You wouldn't hear that from the communist president of China. Liberty. No. No acknowledgment of that. But I would remember that. Yeah. Freedom. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah. I don't think they understand the concept. Pleb. Pleb fandango. I think Xi might, he might understand. He sees it as a threat. Liberty is a threat to Xi Jinping. So he would hardly ever celebrate it. That would never happen. So that was. That was Xi Jinping the. The leader of China. President Trump just sent him an invite, said hey, why don't you stop on by. We'll see. Though I do think that if they do increase American oil purchases dramatically. That could be a very big deal. This is, I've talked about this before. Even when President Trump was coming into office, I was like, look, in the China relationship, if we can get them to stop funding the terror regimes and start giving more money to the United States in terms of oil, that could be a very, very big deal. It would be great. It would stimulate the American economy extensively. They need massive amounts of energy. We've got lots of energy to export and that would, that would stimulate our economy massively and it would stop funding the terror regimes. In other words, President Trump can achieve both an economic and a national security and a diplomatic priority all in one. All in one. Swell foup. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. I've got some updates for you on JD Vance's activities back home. He yesterday announced that we're tackling fraud at new levels. I love that. So while, you know, President Trump's overseas handling this business with China, JD Vance is back here handling our business with the fraudsters. More ahead on this episode of Vance. Great to have you with us. We've got great sponsors today. Beams Dream Powder. Beams Dream Powder helps me sleep so well at night. I don't know if you followed the trend here. You know that nailing the sleep thing is the most important thing you can possibly do. If you nail your sleep, the rest of the of your days are wonderful. You got to get the sleep just right. Beam's Dream Powder helps me do. It really does. Beam is American made and in a world where it feels like everything is made somewhere else, that really does matter to me. Dream has totally transformed my sleep. Every night, same story before tossing, turning, dragging through the next day. Now with dream, I sleep through the night, wake up refreshed. Dream is made up of a powerful blend of all natural ingredients. Reishi, magnesium, L theanine, apigenin, melatonin. You don't need another reason to fix your sleep. But this helps. Beam's entire site is up to 40% off for memorial Day, their best offer of the year so far. So go to shopbeam.com VINshow Use the code VINshow and get my exclusive offer for up to 40% off of Beams Dream Powder. With my discount code VINshow, you can get their best selling dream powder for just $39. If you've been meaning to fix your sleep, this is the time. Get Dream their best selling sleep powder for up to 40% off. Thank you to Beam. Thank you to their Dream powder. Love it. Okay, J.D. vance yesterday back home in America, announcing at the White House, he was funny yesterday. He said that he feels like Macaulay Culkin in Home Alone because everybody's gone. The whole White House is empty. Everybody's in China. Caroline Levitt's on maternity leave. Like the walls are echoing as he's walking around the White House. He goes, I feel like I'm at Home alone. Like I showed up and there's nobody here. There's no, I made my family disappear. Here's JD Vance yesterday announcing that there are now consequences for states who continue to allow fraudsters to steal our money. Cut one, watch this.

[J.D. Vance]

Are we going to do to fix that? Today we are sending it across 50 Medicaid programs. We are sending letters that will require them to show that they are effectively and aggressively prosecuting Medicaid fraud in their states. And if they do not, if they do not aggressively prosecute Medicaid fraud, we are going to turn off the money that goes to these anti fraud units. And I would say a couple things about this. You may think, obviously this is a Republican administration. We're all proud Republicans up here. You may think that this is purely a red state or blue state issue. That's actually not true. We see Medicaid fraud issues in Ohio, the state that I used to represent in the Ohio, in the United States Senate. We also see Medicaid issues, fraud issues in a state like Maryland, which is obviously a very blue state. But both Ohio and Maryland have worked with us to take this issue seriously. They've worked with the guys behind me, they've worked with our entire team to make sure that they take fraud seriously. Again, this does not have to be a red state or a blue state issue. This is just basic good government. However, states like California, states like Hawaii, states like New York have completely not taken the fraud issue seriously in the Medicaid program. And so for those states that refuse to get serious about fraud, we are going to turn off that anti fraud money. And if we continue to find problems, we can turn off other resources within their state Medicaid programs as well. Our goal here is not to do that. We don't want to turn off any money. What we want to do is ensure that people are taking fraud seriously. We want to protect Medicaid, we want to protect Medicare, but we can't do that if the states that are administering those programs are allowing those programs to be fleeced by fraudsters.

[Vince Coglianese]

I love it. I absolutely love it. And this is the key. I mean, I saw Vice President Vance on, on X Overnight posting about this as well, that, like, we can't be playing this game where we let them steal it and then we chase them down after they stole it and then try and recoup some limited amount of the money. That's insane. That's so stupid. So why don't we stop it before it ever happens? Why don't we stop the fraudsters? And how do you stop the fraudsters? You've got states that actually have some fiduciary obligation to make sure that the American taxpayer dollar is protected. So how do you do that? You threaten their access to the funding. No more Medicaid funding for you. We're going to cut you off. And this is, you might, you might say to yourself like, well, then do it today. Good news, they're doing it today. Here's JD Vance announcing that they're cutting people off in California already. Cut three. Take a look. J.D. vance saying they're freezing California out right now. Watch.

[J.D. Vance]

First, we're announcing that the federal government is deferring $1.3 billion in Medicaid reimbursements from the state of California. And the simple reason is because the state of California has not taken fraud very seriously.

[Vince Coglianese]

Yeah. So they're cutting them off. In fact, here's Dr. Oz. Dr. Oz yesterday runs the center for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said that they just cut off 800 operations in Los Angeles alone who are suspected of fraud. And we're talking a massive amount of money. Cut four. Watch this.

[Dr. Oz]

Unfortunately, we have a reality that again, we gotta face a third of all hospices, a third of all these programs in the entire country are in Los Angeles. Ask yourself, how is that possible? It's not. There are not that many people dying in Los Angeles. We're not talking about California, just Los Angeles. So Kim and the team with Jeanine Wugo and a bunch of other great folks went through the list of all the people and we believe that at least half of the hospices in the entire area around Los Angeles are fraudulent. And Today we announce 800 of those hospices have been suspended. That's getting us, you know, close to where we think we should be. 800 hospices that last year charged the federal taxpayer $1.4 billion will no longer be paid. Mr. Vice President, if your core business was shut down by the federal government, would you call. Yes, you would call crickets. We have less than 20 who have complained. We're not even sure Those are legitimate. 800 hospices shut down and we're not hearing much. It's like it's crickets out there. So we believe we're on the right path here. Next is a nationwide moratorium on all new hospice and home health care. Why is that possible? Because when we squeeze the balloon in California and slow their growth of hospice and now take away 800 the payments. 800 hospices. We know what those fraudsters do. They move to nearby Nevada next door. Nevada has a sevenfold increase in hospice already. Arizona, Texas, they're moving across the country. So we today announcing a moratorium nationally. There will be no new hospices or home healthcare open in this country. If you have the program now, you can keep it. You can go to ones that already exist. We're not taking away any services, but there will be no new ones. Licenses granted until we can figure out a better way of working across government.

[Vince Coglianese]

How great is it that these guys are taking this seriously and doing something about it? It's a lot. A lot of people talk. Very few act. These guys are acting. That's, it's great news. I'm looking forward to the lawsuits that the left is going to file suits like, no, no, keep the fraud dollars going. And some idiot judge is going to be like, that's a great idea. These lefties are out of control. But you heard something that he said, that he goes, look, we cut off 800 L. A operations, these hospice so called hospice operations and nobody's calling us to complain. None of these operations are picking up the phone going, hey, where's my money? I've got a legit hospice going on here. And J.D. vance noticed this yesterday, goes, wait a second, did you say nobody's calling you? Cut five. Watch this.

[J.D. Vance]

So, Dr. Oz, I want to make sure I understand this well. So you're saying that we kicked off 800 fraudulent health care providers off of the Medicare system and not a single one of them called the government and said, hey, you made a mistake.

[Dr. Oz]

We've had a handful of calls. We're not sure they're legitimate yet, but it's less than 20 out of 800 and we're auditing them.

[J.D. Vance]

Unbelievable. So. So at least 780 are not even trying to claim that they're not fraudulent. And again, those are businesses that we were giving hundreds of millions, in some cases billions of dollars to not to provide services, but to make a fraudster rich. It's just completely insane. Drives home the scale and scope of the problem.

[Vince Coglianese]

It really does. It really does. All right, we've got a, we've got a lot to get to. Josh, tell me do is My guest standing by. Okay, good. Well then let me, let me tell you about our great sponsors and then we'll get to the former CDC director, Dr. Robert Redfield in just a moment. We had some epic testimony yesterday from a CIA whistleblower talking about the extent of the COVID cover up and it goes even further than many of us even realized. It's all ahead on this edition events. I want to thank one of our other fine sponsors today, that is, let's see, Rumble Wallet. We love Rumble. While we love being on Rumble with you, we love this free speech platform. And Rumble Wallet is fantastic too. It's a great operation. You've heard so much about crypto and here's the part a lot of people miss. Crypto was created so you could actually own and control your Money. After the 2008 financial crisis, Bitcoin was actually designed as an alternative to the banks. So instead of a bank holding your money, delaying transfers or limiting access, you are in control of your own money. And if you've ever had to wait for a transfer to clear, you have felt this problem. Now fast forward to today and everybody's heard about crypto. But getting started, it still feels complicated. And that's precisely why you should use Rumble Wallet. It takes all the complexity out and makes it simple. You can choose what you want. Bitcoin, dollar backed stablecoins or even digital gold backed by real gold. No complicated setup. You can be up and running in just minutes. Now, once you're set up, you can even support your favorite Rumble creators like yours truly. So just scan the QR code on the screen here, rumble.com vince or click the link in the description and download Rumble Wallet. From there, you'll get set up, tap, buy and you're in the game. In just a few minutes, you can go from hearing about crypto to actually owning some. Rumble Wallet is a technology provider only. It's not a custodial service. See [e-mail] thank you also to the great sponsors over at Brickhouse Nutrition who are making so many Americans so healthy. You know, everybody wants to lose weight. They talk about the weight loss injections and those things work by lowering your blood sugar and reducing your appetite. But what if you want to lose the weight and you don't want the painful weekly injections, Especially when you hear about some of the side effects. Well, this is why doctors at Brickhouse Nutrition created a weight loss supplement called Lean. And the results are remarkable. The studied ingredients in Lean have been shown to help lower your blood sugar, help you burn fat by converting it into energy and help you curb your appetite and your cravings so you're less hungry. But listen, Lean by Brickhouse Nutrition is not for a casual dieter. It's for serious people, frustrated dieters with 10 or more pounds to lose. If that's you, let's get you started. 20% off free rush shipping. Visit take lean.com and are Vince for your discount. That's promo code [e-mail] these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease and it's not a substitute or alternative for care from a healthcare provider. Thank you to Brickhouse Nutrition. I'm happy to have joining us on the program right now, guys. It's been a while since I've interviewed him. Glad to have him back here with me now. Dr. Robert Redfield, former CDC director under President Trump. Dr. Redfield is always good to talk to you, sir. Thank you very much.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Thanks for having me, Vince. Glad to be here.

[Vince Coglianese]

My pleasure. Yesterday you get testimony in the United States Senate from a CIA whistleblower who alleged that Anthony Fauci, when he was in office, really did lead a full blown cover up. There was a kind of a group of people around him, a lot of scientists that he was using to convince the CIA that there was no lab leak that coronavirus, that COVID 19 came from a wet market in Wuhan. What did you make of that testimony yesterday? Did you derive anything from it that you hadn't known before?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Well, I think I, I thought the, the witness was very credible, showed a lot of courage coming forward. And he was not sensational, he was just being very factual. I think some of the things that he said that were probably most important, he said very clearly that Fauci's involvement in covering up the true origin of COVID was intentional is the word that he used. And I think that's important because I do think I used to say, because I was one of the early ones who suggested this virus came from a laboratory and immediately I got classified as a conspirator and you know, someone that was, you know, just not, not thinking clearly. And, and I would argue back then that the real conspiracy was Fauci and Collins and the scientific community trying to put the origin on this concept of a wet market which was never credible. So I thought it was a very powerful testimony. I think people should see that we know the origin of this virus. It was the Wuhan lab. The CIA was a little defensive in, in saying you know, they didn't understand why this witness was testifying because they already redid their analysis, which they did, and concluded that the virus came from the lab. But I think there was very involvement, I always said I thought that the intelligence community was very involved in developing what I call the roost for you to think that this came from a wet market rather than the lab.

[Vince Coglianese]

Why would the CIA be defensive if the whistleblower shared their assessment? That seemed weird to me yesterday because the whistleblower said this thing came from a lab and there was clearly a cover up going on in the government. John Ratcliffe and the CIA, they said this thing came from a lab. And as far as I can tell, John Ratcliffe suspects that Anthony Fauci was involved in a cover up. So if they share the same views, why would the CIA be disgruntled?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah, I don't know the answer to that. I have a lot of respect for John Radcliffe. I don't quite know why he hasn't been more aggressive in bringing this to a close and getting the classified documents that Congress voted to declassify out into the public domain. As it was mentioned in the hearing the other day, there's still thousands of pages of classified documents on the origin that have not been released to the public, even though Congress passed to do that. And they need to do that. I think some of it was. I do believe that the intelligence community was more involved in this laboratory than meets the eye. I mean, we knew the State Department funded the Laboratory along with DoD, along with USAID and so, and along with NIH. So there was four government agencies that were actually funding this lab that was doing this research. My sense is the CIA and the intelligence community were much more involved in this work than meets the eye.

[Vince Coglianese]

If you could. And this may be you just using an educated guess. But what do you think the purpose of this was? Like, why, why would all of those agencies have this particular shared interest? What was, why were. Why was this virus cooked up in that lab with US funding?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

So I think, I think the, the research from the Chinese perspective, and I've said this before, and it is speculation, but I think it's educated speculation. I think the Chinese scientists were trying to develop a vaccine vector that could be used to vaccinate the Chinese military and Chinese people. And to do that, they needed a, a virus that could be transmissible by aerosol. It needed not to cause symptomatic illness, and it needed not to have a good immune response so that you could use it over and over and over again, all of which are features unfortunately of the COVID virus itself. The United States, why they were involved, I don't know for certain. I mean, clearly Tony was in charge, Shashi was in charge of our biodefense program, which was about a 40 billion dollar program that, that the Vice President Cheney moved from the US military to NIH back in 2002. And so he had a lot of money to do, if you will, clandestine research in the realm of bioresearch. And that probably put him pretty close to the CIA and people like that CIA, probably my view, had people that were already embedded in this laboratory and other Chinese laboratories as part of their intelligence sources. But it never made a lot of sense to me why the intelligent community was so problematic in my efforts to get people to focus on the fact that this was a virus that was created by gain of function research in the laboratory. And I thought that was important because once we know this virus was created to infect humans, we could anticipate that we were going to have a lot of replication a lot of variants and try to stay ahead of the curve. But I would like, I'm sure there's documents at the CIA that would help we have greater clarity to this, but I don't know the answer to that.

[Vince Coglianese]

What do you make of the fact that Anthony Fauci apparently changed the definition of gain of function research in order to continue to do this, in order to basically violate the moratorium on it?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah, I think Tony did that intentionally. He's a very smart guy. He had obviously, you know, been accused by Senator Paul, who I have a lot of respect for, of lying to Congress. I tried to tell the Senator, I don't think Tony lied to you, but I do think he misled you and misled the American people. Because when he spoke to you, he said, according to the definition of the National Academy of Science, I wasn't involved in gain of function research. And what he did with the National Academy of Science was change the definition of gain of function research. As you pointed out. He made it so that if I start with a pathogen that's non pathogenic for humans, like say COVID 19 and I teach it to be pathogenic by definition, that's not gain of function. He made it so that in order to be considered gain of function, you have to start with a pathogen that's already pathogenic for you humans and make it more pathogenic for humans. Obviously it's a ridiculous reality of what he did, but it did keep him, if you will, clean when When Senator Paul says you lied to Congress in saying that you were involved in gain of function research, he says, no, according to the definition of National Academy of Science, I was not, because the COVID research didn't meet that definition. Very artificial, very unnecessary. I think a lot of it had to do with getting around the Obama moratorium, which they did get around. And in the beginning of the Trump administration, Collins got the Office of Science Technology to grant them an exception that they had now permission to approve independent research that they decided was in the national interest, which was again, a big mistake.

[Vince Coglianese]

Can I ask, I know you engage in a lot of scientific conversation. You're very fact based, which I appreciate, but I just have to ask you kind of on the moral side of it, if you'd be able to even sleep at night if you had done what Anthony Fauci has done. Because it seems to me that a feature of his entire career in politics has been wielding power, duplicity, this type of semantic nonsense. And now, of course, we went through a COVID pandemic where millions of people died and then were forcibly subjected to jabs that they didn't want. I, I wonder what you think about all of the moral questions that are involved here.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah, I would, you know, I thank God that it wasn't me. You know, and Tony used to criticize me when I was CDC director, because when I would be asked questions, you know, in the briefing room, my frequent answer was, I don't know the answer. And Tony was, you can't say that, Bob. You're the CDC director. You got to give an answer. And I said, but, Tony, I don't know the answer. Fauci had a tendency to give the answer you wanted. I remember one interview that was kind of remarkable where he was talking about herd immunity, which he said originally would get there at 30%, and then later he said 50%. And then later he said 70%. And a reporter asked him, you know, what happened between 50% and 70%, what new scientific data do you have to make that new conclusion? And he said, there's no new scientific data. When I said 50%, I just didn't think you were ready to hear 70%.

[Vince Coglianese]

He was watching the polling. Yeah, that was a New York Times interview. He would watch public polling on the subject, and then he would change his scientific claims based on the public polling.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

So I think Tony, unfortunately, I've told him that he'll feel a lot better if he would just get out and tell the truth and let people know he made some mistakes. I do Think he did it for what he thought was a just reason. I mean, he felt that he was the defender of science, and he had to therefore turn the attention away from the Wuhan lab, because if the American public felt that this virus was created by science, it could have a backlash on science. Now, the fact is this virus was created by science. And I argue that to Tony that he actually has done more harm to science by not just telling the truth and being forthright with the American public. You know, I'm an advocate that we shouldn't be doing gain of function research. I think it's too risky. I don't see the advantage. Tony's a big advocate for gain of function research, so. But I would have a hard time. And I think that's why he's a little sensitive. When his hearing with Rand Paul, when he jumped at Rand Paul and pointed his finger, you know, in his face and Rand Paul's face, he said. He jumped and said, you mean you're accusing me of killing 4, you know, 10 million people or 4 million people or 7 million people? Rand Paul wasn't accusing him at all of killing people. But Fauci immediately jumped because I think he does have a series of sensitivity

[Vince Coglianese]

of the fact he's aware of his own culpability.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah, I've always said I did a thing. There's a movie that's out called thank you, Dr. Fauci. I don't know if you've seen it. Angel Studios has it out. It's really good. The producer did a great job. And at the end, I do talk about the realization that Oppenheimer had to have at the end of his life, that his science was used to really kill tens of thousands of people. All right? And he was very obviously angry at Truman when Truman decided to use the bomb a second time. You know, his idea with the bomb was a deterrent. It wasn't going to be used. It was just. I think he thought it was always going to be a deterrent, never used the first time I suggested that. I think Fauci is going to have that same complexity as he reflects on his life and looks back at some of the consequences of the science that he promoted. Because I do think it caused, even though I call the COVID pandemic a minor pandemic, and sometime maybe you'll have me back. We can talk about the great pandemic which I believe is coming, which is a bird flu pandemic. You know, bird flu will have probably a, you know, half a percent mortality. I mean, bird Flu will probably have a 30 to 50% mortality. You know, Covid had a half a percent mortality, and bird flu is going to be catastrophic when that pandemic occurs. But still, the COVID pandemic caused a lot of problems, killed 1.2 million Americans, ruined a lot of jobs, our children lost several years of their learning, education. So it was a significant event. Although in my view, it's really a minor pandemic compared to the one that I think is on the horizon. That's kind of what I talk about if you ever want to have me back and talk about my book. About 12 weeks ago, I came out with my book, it's called Redfield's Warning. And in that book I talk about the need to take biosecurity much more seriously. I think it's a much more significant national security threat than nuclear, and a lot of people don't grasp that. But I do think biosecurity is positioned to change the lives of Americans much more than nuclear, and we ought to have a response proportional to the threat. I talk about the threat about bird flu, and then I talk about the other real problem we have as a warning is that because of the response in the COVID pandemic, our public health agencies have lost total credibility. And it's impossible to have a public health response if you don't have public credibility with the public. And rebuilding that credibility is going to be a long road to get us back on track. We did lose a lot of credibility. And I argue the reason we lost credibility is some people chose not to tell the truth.

[Vince Coglianese]

Right.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

They chose to tell you what they wanted you to hear, not what was true.

[Vince Coglianese]

Well, that would be Fauci, what you just described. So I'm thinking, as you're saying all this, that Anthony Fauci did that he basically conditioned the public to reject pronouncements about so called science because so many of them were politicized. And so if we get a bird flu like the one you're warning about, I think a lot of Americans are gonna reject public policy pronouncements from the government because we've been through this before and we know how much misery we've endured. And it was disproportionate with the threat.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

I think you're right. And I think that's what we have to fight against. I mean, I do think, you know, Jay Bhattacharya, who's a friend of mine, who's head of nih, has some credibility in this space because he was, you know, outspoken in telling the truth when, when other people didn't want to. And he paid a big personal price for it. You know, I think people like myself told the truth and we paid a significant personal price for it. But you are right. Our institutions are, you know, and the government per se, it's not clear that the American public will, will necessarily listen to those institutions. And although I will say I've been very involved in this Hanta outbreak, which is really minor, you know, we're talking, you know, 11, 12 people, but I haven't seen a lot of individuals rejecting the public health message. It's only going to minor thing, but my hope.

[Vince Coglianese]

Okay, hey, so, so one thing. You broke up a little bit at the end there. Final question for you. My wife's asking me, she's like, oh, you're going to talk to Dr. Robert Redfield. Would you ask him? She keeps asking about the media hype around hantavirus. She's like, is this a real threat? This is a real threat. I keep telling him, no, don't worry, there's no, there's nothing here. This is a media story. What do you think, sir?

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

Yeah, it's not a real threat. I mean it's a, you know, it's an outbreak that's been going on in Argentina since last July. There have been over 100 people infected in Argentina. It spread from Patagonia into central Argentina. It has a 35 to 40% mortality. So it's a dangerous virus. You can remember back the Hackman's obviously got a hantavirus. The hantaviruses that are circulating in the United States are largely rodent to humans. They don't go human to human. The hantavirus that's in Argentina, which is the Andy strain, can go human to human. And in this outbreak, it did infect some people on the ship, human to human, particularly the doctor that was taking care of the patients. But this outbreak is going to be. I don't think we'll have any more new cases within a week, if we have any more at all.

[Vince Coglianese]

All right. Dr. Robert Redfield. The book is called Redfield's Warning and you can get it now. Sir, thank you very much for your time, that I appreciate you.

[Dr. Robert Redfield]

God bless. Bye bye.

[Vince Coglianese]

There he is, Dr. Robert Redfield, former director of the CDC. Thank you to him and as he points out is like the fauci. It's just, just lie after lie after lie from this guy endlessly. And we get big, we get a big CIA whistleblower coming out yesterday and saying, yeah, he was lying and Covering up and manipulating CIA intelligence. It's grotesque. Totally grotesque. And this in addition to revealing those details about Fauci yesterday, which again, they're not shocking, but they are appalling. He also revealed the extent to which the CIA apparently has been involved in trying to prevent the current CIA from. He alleged has been involved in trying to prevent disclosure around the JFK files and the CIA's mind control experiments known as MK Ultra. So here's what we got yesterday. This is a couple, a couple of clips for you. He was asked yesterday if. If the current CIA is still leading in any way a cover up. Here is. Let's see here. Yeah, cut 12. Take a look at cut 12. Here's the CIA whistleblower yesterday.

[CIA Whistleblower]

Thank you, Mr. Erdman. Is it your testimony that there is still resistance from the CIA to comply with the law we passed to declassify all the COVID information?

[DNI Spokesperson / Intelligence Official]

Yes.

[Vince Coglianese]

Yeah. So the current CIA. What is that? What is going on? John Ratcliffe. Now as. As you heard Dr. Redfield mention a moment ago, and as I was. I was emphasizing with him, CIA spokesman yesterday attacked the hearing and suggested that this guy was speak was not like a whistleblower and that this is illegitimate CIA statement to Fox News on the active CIA employee testifying in the Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing. The committee acted in bad faith by subpoenaing an agency officer for testimony today without notifying the CIA. Despite having already obtained closed door testimony from the individual previously. The witness testifying today is not appearing as a whistleblower in pursuit of the truth, but instead in response to the subpoena issued by Chairman Paul. I don't even know what you're saying. He issued a subpoena and now the whistleblower is testifying to his perspective. I don't know what this statement means. This proceeding amounts to nothing more than dishonest political theater masquerading as a congressional hearing. As the CIA has already assessed, COVID 19 most likely originated from a lab leak. Yeah, that's what the witnesses saying. Efforts to undermine that conclusion are disingenuous. Again, I do not know what you're talking about. So why is the CIA getting so agitated that this guy is telling. As far as I can tell, a very sober recitation of the facts. Ron Johnson and Rand Paul who were leading that hearing yesterday, smacked back at the CIA for that statement. Cut 13. Watch their reaction to this communications person. This committee, this chairman needs an apology. This is not political theater. This is serious oversight work. This is what the American people need to see and I just wish our Democrat colleagues had any level of curiosity what's happening inside the deep state? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

[CIA Whistleblower]

Thank you. And I completely concur. And I would also like to respond to the CIA spokesman. They say that we have already obtained closed doors testimony. Well, closed door testimony doesn't provide oversight. Public testimony provides oversight. We have asked them for public testimony and for oversight, we would love to have the scientists who, the six or seven scientists that were commissioned to look at this. We'd love to see their report. Why would we not be allowed to see their report? I can't even read that in private. But that should be public. The science. If there are sources and methods, mark them them out, redact them.

[Vince Coglianese]

Amen. Okay, so what? Am I missing something here? What the hell would the CIA be doing covering up any of this now anyway? Like, are you. The American people demand transparency for this thing that upended their entire lives. That's what we demand and nothing else. I don't care if there are personalities in the administration that don't like Rand Paul and vice versa. I get it. Rand Paul rubs people the wrong way. Who cares? I want transparency on Covid and I know the American people want that too. And the CIA should not be sitting on anything that is relevant to the American people who were put through that misery. So whatever this is, get the hell over it and get it out to the American people. Deeply, deeply frustrating to see something like that. Now, also, the whistleblower yesterday alleged outside of COVID that something else crazy happened involving the current CIA. Now, the current CIA is led by John Ratcliffe, to be clear. John Ratcliffe, who at one point was President Trump's Director of National Intelligence. Now, the current CIA director, he's a former congressman. He's kind of done it all and he has been a force for good. We've seen him make criminal referrals for the behaviors of James Comey and John Brennan. As far as we could tell, his history has been that he's wanted Covid transparency. So to what extent is he dealing with a deep state inside of his own agency? That's one of the questions here. But listen to this allegation. This comes to us from the whistleblower yesterday alleging that the CIA went into Tulsi Gabbard's office, the Director of National Intelligence, and seized a bunch of documents that were destined for declassification related to John F. Kennedy's assassination and the mind control operation known as MK Ultra from the middle of the last century. Here he is describing it.

[DNI Spokesperson / Intelligence Official]

The CIA refused To provide information necessary to understand understand why analytical standards at the CIA were violated. The CIA illegally monitored the computer and phone usage of DIGG personnel, their investigations and contact with whistleblowers. These were Americans being spied upon illegally while executing duties directed by the President and under the authority of the Director, National Intelligence. One CIA contractor assisting with the Diggs investigation into the events that transpired between 2022 and 2023 was fired by the CIA one day after meeting with the dig. When the DIG ceased operations, the CIA also took back 40 boxes of JFK files and MK Ultra files being processed for declass classification by DNI Gabbard. The CIA.

[Vince Coglianese]

What is that? Now, yesterday there was a huge debate that raged online in the wake of this disclosure that the CIA. There was a semantic fight over whether or not the CIA had raided the Director of National Intelligence. Everybody was getting spun up about the word raided. Did they? And the reason for this is it comes from two places. Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna interpreted this and said that that was a raid. And you also had Jesse Waters last night on his Fox program describe this as a raid. So raid was the word of the night. Everybody was talking about a raid. But again, this is a semantic fight. Did the CIA go in and grab these boxes from the Director of National Intelligence? And by the way, the DNI is supposed to sit atop the intel community, not at the service of a random CIA official or agent or even a CIA director. And now, now, again, that word raid, did that occur? The Director of National Intelligence's office released a statement overnight saying no. Olivia Coleman, DNI spokeswoman, said this is false. The CIA did not raid. The DNI's office did not raid. Now, by the way I'm looking here, Jesse Waters apparently deleted the video where he had that up as the post that there was a raid. So they're trying to put that one away. But the DNI's office says false. The CIA did not raid the DNI's office. But Mike Lee responded to this and says, well, it's immaterial whether those documents were in her personal office. If those documents were taken away from her custody by CIA as she was preparing to declassify them. That's a problem. Well, it sure is. It is a problem if it's destined for declassification. Why is the CIA going, What is this? I have a feeling we're gonna get some more answers on this soon. We did hear from Katie Pavlich overnight who spoke to some sources on the subject. Katie's great. She said she spoke to an intelligence official who told her the following. The documents weren't taken today. It was not a raid on DNI Gabbard's office. Again, those are semantic issues. People from the CIA took documents related to the JFK assassination and MK Ultra from the National Reconnaissance Office last year in the middle of the night during the government shutdown and they have not returned or they are withholding them from the office of the Director of National Intelligence. Because the CIA is withholding these documents, they cannot be declassified and scanned for public release. The c, quote, this, this is the intel official. The CIA doesn't think they answered to anyone. The same intel official says, quote, I doubt Ratcliffe knew about it. I doubt CIA Director John Ratcliffe knew about it. Now, if that's the case, you're dealing with a deep state problem. If the director of the CIA is not up, is not being briefed on the behavior of CIA officials to prevent public disclosure of documents that President Trump has mandated be released, then we've got big problems. Again, this is just one of those stories where given, given all of the intelligence interests that are involved and all of the, the underhandedness, it's actually kind of hard to know precisely what's going on here. But again, it seems like massive semantic debate. I hardly care whether or not it was a raid or not. I mean it would be crazy if they had like a guns drawn raid of the Director of National Intelligence. But fundamentally this is about did you prevent public disclosure or not? And why is this being covered up and why do I have to hear about it from whistleblower? Like to get some answers on that. Holy cow. I've got so much more to get to. We're going to have to do it today on the big national radio show, the vinshow.com to get your local radio listings today. We've got hundreds of great radio stations across the country. You can listen to us from 12 to 3 Eastern Time each day. You can watch us live from 1 to 3pm Eastern right here. Rumble.com Vince, always a good experience, hanging out with the chat. You guys are amazing. We've got the great Dan Bongino coming up today. Rumble.com Bongino at 10am he's awesome. And then we have Haley Caranilla. She's on at noon Eastern. Rumble.com Haley Haley with two Y's. Why? Because she is awesome and so are you. Great to have you with us today. I swear to you I'll be back with you tomorrow. Unless the CIA raised me. We'll see. You never know.