RFK Jr. Drops Truth Bombs on CNN | Episode 344

Summary

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Podcast Summary: VINCE – Episode 344

Title: RFK Jr. Drops Truth Bombs on CNN
Date: August 3, 2026
Host: Haley Karania (guest hosting for Vince Coglianese)

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Episode Overview

This episode features Haley Karania (host of Scrolling with Haley) subbing in for Vince Coglianese. The show centers on RFK Jr.’s high-impact interview on CNN, exploring government and media missteps during the COVID-19 pandemic, the shifting narratives around vaccine mandates, and continuing fallout for media credibility and public trust. Haley also highlights Kamala Harris’ now-viral omission of Joe Biden from her list of “most effective presidents.” The episode closes with commentary on recent tragic news and comedic takes on liberal outrage in California.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Revisiting COVID-19 and Vaccine Mandates

• Media’s Handling of the Pandemic (00:57–06:37):

  • Haley recounts the “COVID-19 craziness,” describing her experience as one of widespread fear-mongering by the mainstream media.
  • “The science became the new religion...do what you’re told.” (Haley Karania, 02:54)
  • Critique of Dr. Fauci and the government for knowing vaccines were not entirely effective but keeping up the "lie to save their own behinds."
  • Personal experience: refusing the COVID shot led to professional and social ramifications.

• Corporate & Media Pressures (07:57–13:23):

  • First-hand perspective on corporate vaccine mandates (Fox News, Newsmax).
  • Sharing stories from colleagues Brianna Morello and Laura Logan, who faced significant professional consequences for vaccine refusal.
  • Reading from the newly-released Fauci diaries, revealing officials “pulled back” CDC statements about ineffectiveness to maintain public compliance.

• Media’s Vaccine Cheerleading (13:23–16:52):

  • Compilation of old CNN clips lauding vaccine efficacy, including a segment claiming “100% effective at preventing infection...among 12 to 15 year olds.”
  • “He says—he’s literally giddy. They’re smiling. They’re so excited to tell people that this vaccine is 100% effective. It was not 100% effective.” (Haley Karania, 14:18)

2. Fauci’s Shifting Goalposts & Media Accountability

• Confronting Dr. Fauci (16:13–17:21):
  • Replay of Dana Bash grilling Fauci about moving the "herd immunity" goalposts, quoting Fauci as admitting:
    “I can nudge this up a bit. So I went to 80, 85. And then you go on to say that it may be as high as 90%.” (Dana Bash quoting Fauci, 16:25)
  • Haley’s sardonic reaction: “Isn’t it funny to hear the word humble come out of Dr. Fauci's mouth now that we've seen his diary entries?” (Haley, 17:21)

3. RFK Jr. vs. Dana Bash: The 2026 CNN Showdown

• The Contentious Interview (19:09–23:39):

  • RFK Jr., now HHS Secretary, is grilled by Bash about vaccine hesitancy.
  • Bash attempts to pin declining vaccination rates and measles outbreaks on RFK Jr.
  • Notable exchange:
    • “Do you see your job as ending vaccine hesitancy or do you see your job as telling the truth to the American people?”
      – Dana Bash (20:37)
    • “I see my job as telling the truth and the truth is that there is study after study after study...”
      – RFK Jr. (20:46)

• RFK Jr. Calls Out CNN’s Motives (22:11–22:48):

  • “It was a scary time and people made mistakes and absolutely, you were scaring people.”
    – RFK Jr. (22:17)
  • Bash responds candidly: “That was the job of CNN, okay, was to put sirens up about how many people are [infected/dead].”
    – Dana Bash (22:25)
  • This open admission shocks Haley and listeners.

• Vaccine Schedule Reforms (23:34–26:21):

  • RFK Jr.’s approach: recommends core childhood vaccines, EXCLUDES others (like Hep A/B, flu, COVID) unless high-risk.
  • Haley emphasizes the difference between “anti-vax” sentiment and cautious, spread-out immunization.

4. Kamala Harris and the Presidential Rankings

• Viral Gaffe: Harris Passes Over Biden (33:04–35:11):

  • When asked to name the most effective presidents, Harris chooses FDR, Kennedy, and Obama, omitting Joe Biden.
  • Haley’s take: this reflects either a personal rift or implicit acknowledgment of the Biden administration’s failures.
  • “Love a good word salad at 8am, and she’s the queen.” (Haley, 35:06)

• Listener Interaction (39:59–40:49):

  • Lively discussion with the live chat, debating whether AOC or Kamala Harris is "dumber."
  • Haley: “I demand an IQ test right now for the both of them.” (Haley, 40:49)

5. Current Events: Tragedy and Social Commentary

• Idaho In-N-Out Shooting (40:49–46:47):

  • Breaking news: lone gunman kills three, including an employee, before taking his own life.
  • Haley highlights the courage of bystanders—a “good guy with a gun”—and praises In-N-Out President Lindsey Snyder’s heartfelt public response.
  • “When we see evil take place, it helps us realize the contrast between that and good.” (Haley, 43:54)

• Satirical Social Media Segment (46:47–47:28):

  • Haley plays a viral video mocking affluent Californians who claim to be “oppressed” under Trump.
  • “There’s nothing worse than like a rich, entitled California liberal.” (Haley, 47:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The science became the new religion... If you’re listening and not watching, I have air quotes going right here.”
  – Haley Karania (02:54)
• “Dr. Fauci was not this omnipotent, infallible hero... he was a liar.”
  – Haley Karania (01:30)
• “They’re so excited to tell people that this vaccine is 100% effective. It was not 100% effective.”
  – Haley Karania (14:18)
• “I see my job as telling the truth and the truth is that there is study after study after study.”
  – RFK Jr. (20:46)
• “That was the job of CNN, okay, was to put sirens up about how many people are...”
  – Dana Bash (22:25) [admitting the network’s role in amplifying fear]
• “I demand an IQ test right now for the both of them [AOC and Kamala Harris].”
  – Haley Karania (40:49)
• "When we see evil take place, it helps us realize the contrast between that and good."
  – Haley Karania (43:54)
• “There’s nothing worse than like a rich entitled California liberal.”
  – Haley Karania (47:28)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening and COVID Recollections | 00:57–04:12 | | Media Vaccine Messaging Montage | 04:57–14:18 | | Biden’s “Are you okay?” Town Hall Clip | 14:40–15:28 | | Fauci “Goalpost” Interview Clip | 16:13–17:21 | | RFK Jr. vs Dana Bash: Vaccine Debate on CNN | 19:09–23:39 | | RFK Jr. on Measles Outbreak Responsibility | 26:21–28:39 | | Kamala Harris on “Most Effective Presidents” | 33:04–35:11 | | Audience “Who’s Dumber, Kamala or AOC?” Banter | 39:59–40:49 | | In-N-Out Shooting Discussion | 40:49–46:47 | | Cali from California: Satirical Segment | 46:47–47:28 |

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Episode Tone and Style

• Direct, combative, and highly opinionated with a blend of irreverence, satire, and righteous indignation.
• Frequent use of sarcasm and humor (especially about political adversaries).
• Heavy on personal anecdotes and direct viewer/listener engagement.

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Summary Takeaway

Haley Karania’s guest-hosted installment of VINCE is a sharp, rapid-fire takedown of pandemic mismanagement, vaccine mandate overreach, and media hypocrisy, using RFK Jr.'s CNN interview as both a lens and a catalyst. The episode is rich in pointed analysis, nostalgic media clips, and cultural commentary, culminating in a viral political gaffe (Kamala’s presidential rankings) and unwavering distrust of both government and mainstream media in the post-pandemic era.

Transcript

[Haley Karania]

Hello, Happy Monday and welcome into Vince. I am Haley Karenia, host of Scrolling with Haley, here on Silverlock, filling in for Vince while he's away. Thank you for joining me this morning. It's always a pleasure to guest host for Vince. I always jump at the opportunity to see you all bright and early for a change. On today's show we are doing a deep dive into RFK Jr. S master class in dropping truth bombs. Then Kamala Harris was asked to the three most effective presidents in American history were Guess who she didn't mention. Plus I'm shaking things up and bringing my Scrolling Time segment events. Hopefully if we have time. I've got some great videos on deck for you today. But for first, I want to tell you about Fast Growing Trees. It's the America's largest, most trusted online nursery with thousands of trees and plants and over 2 million happy customers. They have all the plants your yard or home needs including fruit trees, privacy trees, flowering trees, shrubs and house plants all grown with care and guaranteed to arrive healthy. Just click, order, grow and get healthy thriving plants delivered to your door. Right now they have great deals on spring planting essentials, up to half off on select plants and listeners to our show get 20% off their first purchase when using Code Vince at checkout. That's an additional 20% off. Better plants and better growing at fasttrees.com using the code Vince at checkout. Again, that is free fast growing trees.com code Vince now's the perfect time to plant. Let's grow together. Use Vince and save today. Offers valid for a limited time. Terms and conditions may apply. See fast growing trees.com for details. So we all remember the COVID 19 pandemic craziness. You know it, it was six years ago I guess now, but it feels like a lot longer. It was everyone's first rodeo with a pandemic. So I like to give people grace. We can assume that some mistakes would be made. I never expect people to be 100% perfect or get it right 100% of the time. But I don't like being lied to and I don't like being told what to do without evidence, especially when it doesn't make sense. And because the people started asking basic questions, the so called experts and their cronies in the media went into attack mode. The mainstream media launched in a fear mongering campaign complete with death counts and threats and they took the government's word, which most of us knew not to do at the time. But we were shamed for it and now we know that Dr. Fauci was not this omnipotent, infallible hero like he wrote about in his own diary, but he was a liar. He knew that the vaccines weren't effective, but he and the government and the mainstream media all kept up this lie to save their own behinds. Because lying to the American people, in their view, was easier than admitting they were dead wrong. And the American people were taken for a ride that nobody asked to get on. And being told to sit in a spray painted circle in the grass in the park was dumb, but it was harmless. But the vaccine mandates, on the other hand, not so much. More than 11,000 people have reported vaccine injuries. Women had their menstrual cycles disrupted. I knew four people with a story like that, and I thought, yeah, I'm not gonna do that. I will not be doing that. And if you didn't want to roll up your sleeve to be a guinea pig, well, you might have lost your job, lost friends, or were. Just don't disown from your family. And for the left, the science became the new religion. If you're listening and not watching, I have air quotes going right here. When I say the science, don't question it, just submit. Do what you're told. And I don't blame people who got the vaccine for whatever reason. I don't blame people who trusted their doctors. This was a huge wake up call for a lot of people, myself included. I used to get a flu shot every year. I thought it was the thing that you were supposed to do. You know, September, October rolls around, flu season starts. It's like, okay, I'll go to CVS or Walgreens, whatever, I'll get my flu shot, who cares? And after Covid, I decided I'd never get a shot again. I've also never been sick since then. But this was the kind of slop that the mainstream media kept feeding people at the time. Listen to this.

[Dana Bash]

President Trump wrote on Twitter, don't be afraid of COVID Don't let it dominate your life. Don't let it dominate your life. In terms of responding to a comment like that, it's gross.

[Haley Karania]

It's okay to be afraid of COVID Don't let it dominate your life. That is the, the name of the game for the mainstream media, right? That's what President Trump was saying. And they said, no, no, no, let it dominate your life. Let it dominate your whole life. Then the vaccine became available, and the left quickly went from masks being their religion to the vaccine being their religion. We went from stay Home, save lives. To the vaccine being dangled like a carrot in front of Americans. It was like, if you want to return to your regular life, you know, you have to roll up your sleeves. If you want to go to a restaurant and socialize or keep your job, you're going to have to roll up your sleeves. So here's the mainstream media getting their vaccine, pushing marching orders from the Biden administration.

[Dana Bash]

Watch, please get vaccinated. If you know someone who's not vaccinated, find a way to convince them to get vaccinated.

[Chuck Todd]

Literally.

[Dana Bash]

The only people dying are the unvaccinated. And for those of you spreading misinformation, shame on you. Shame on.

[Haley Karania]

Look at this finger wagging. Look at that finger wagging from what's his. Chuck Todd, all the finger wagging. Do this. Do this right. Go get vaccinated. Do the right thing. And if not, you're gonna die. Well, I live to tell the tale. I did not get vaccinated. And I'm here to, you know, I'm here hosting the show right now. Isn't that great? I survived. A lot of people survived. Rachel Maddow, listen to this.

[Dana Bash]

Okay?

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person. A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus. The virus does not infect them. The virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else. It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people.

[Haley Karania]

And the president has said previously he did not want to mandate the vaccine. So can you explain why his thinking

[RFK Jr.]

on this has changed?

[Jen Psaki]

Sure. Well, first, I know he said that back in December or January, so eight, nine months ago. And I've touched on a couple of the components that we feel have. Have changed a bit. One is that we didn't anticipate once the vaccine was readily widely available and free to the public across the country. Anyone who wants a vaccine has been able to get one for months. That there would be such opposition to it, especially given it was approved under the former president, a Republican.

[Haley Karania]

She said the quiet part out loud, didn't she? So we have the mainstream media that's pushing you to get the vaccine. Pushing, pushing, pushing. Then you have Jen Psaki. I kind of forgot she existed. I think she's got a show on Ms. Now. But, you know, I, I don't get my, my dose of. My daily dose of Jen Psaki anymore. And I'm happy for that. But Jen Psaki is like, yeah, well, we weren't going to mandate vaccines but then not enough people got it. So we had to. We thought that, you know, this is free. Why wouldn't you just roll up your sleeves? Anyway, it's free.

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

Why not?

[Haley Karania]

Why not just get it? We're not to force you now. So I remember because I was living in New York City at the time. Businesses were giving out free donuts and free marijuana to incentivize people to get vaccinated. We were quite literally living in a clown world. And even businesses like Fox News that I was working for at the time, they were beholden to New York City and New York State laws, and they were complying with the vaccine mandates because at the time, the New York. I think. I can't say for sure if it was New York State or New York City that had this rule. I believe it was New York State, but don't quote me on that. They were going to find businesses. $14,000 per unvaccinated employee. If you think of however many people work at Fox News, thousands. And most of them probably didn't want to get vaccinated. That would be a lot of money to shell out, right?

[Kamala Harris]

And.

[Haley Karania]

And at the time, I didn't leave Fox because of this reason, but I remember not wanting to get the vaccine. It was becoming available, and my conservative coworkers were making fun of me. They were like, just. Just get it. It's not that big of a deal. I had this gut feeling. I'm like, I really don't want to get it. And it just so happened that I got a job at Newsmax. So I left Fox anyway. And the CEO of Newsmax, Chris Ruddy, said, you don't have to get vaccinated. If they find us, I'll. I'll take. I'll take it. I. I'll pay the. Whatever they want me to pay. You do not have to get vaccinated, which I am grateful for, eternally grateful for, to this day. So I never had to get it. And even, like when I was at Newsmax, I remember my boss at the time was sitting across from me, and she went to go get the COVID vaccine because she was going to go see her grandparents or something and where they were staying in the nursing home. Like, you had to get vaccinated to go see them again. This is all lunacy. So she went to go get the COVID vaccine, and she came back to her desk, and she was like, I'm feeling really, really sick, really sick. She started, you know, getting the fever, chills, all those symptoms. And then I started to get Them, like, I started to feel sick, and I'm really not like a hypochondriac, but I was like, is this possible? You know? And at the time, they were saying that vaccine shedding was a total conspiracy theory. I experienced that. I experienced. It was so wild. And then as soon as I got away from her because she left, she went home. She felt so sick. She went home. I felt fine. I was just near her. Anyway, I went back to Fox. This was years later. So I was at Newsmax for probably two years. Then I got another job at Fox News Digital, this time in Nashville. And I was sort of. I was hired mid August, and then I was going to move to Nashville. That's where the job was when my lease was up October 1st. So I moved to Nashville October 1st. So for that month and a half, I was working at Fox News again, but I was in New York City and they wanted to impose the vaccine mandate on me. And I said, because I made it this far, I'm not getting it now, especially because I'm going to be working in Nashville and they don't have a vaccine mandate. So I was like, I'm not going to go into the office. Like, please let me work from home. And I'm. I'm not going to get this. And they're like, okay, no problem, fine, But. And I know there were people at Fox who didn't want to get vaccinated, and they didn't. And they still work there. They got religious or medical exemptions. I know that. I know people who work there that are unvaccinated. But now that Fox is covering these Fauci diaries like everybody else, it's prompted former employee, now independent journalist Brianna Morello to retell her side of the story. This is what she posted on X. Fox Corp is attempting to rewrite history by going after Anthony Fauci. During COVID Fox attempted me to comply with an illegal vaccine mandate. Fox offered me a $500 bonus to get the COVID job. Okay, When I was there, they were not doing that, but I can't independently confirm that. She said when I declined, they threatened to put me on unpaid leave after making me move to New York City. Here's a quote from one of their emails that they sent me. And again, this is the mayor's mandate. They were claiming it was the mayor's mandate that was doing this. So there we go. Workers have to get this coronavirus mandate. You know, testing will no longer be an alternative to the vaccination as of December 27th. So I guess for a while. I guess you could just test every day to go into the office. I had to do that, you know, just ridiculous. Do you remember those Covid tests that were so long, the swab was so long it would go literally up into your brain. So stupid. Anyway, so poor Brianna Morello, you know, she didn't want to get vaccinated. She left. And Laura Logan, who used to have a show, I think on Fox Nation, she said the same thing. She said this on X, Fox News canceled me and canceled my contract negotiations. And then she said, I don't regret it one bit. There's only one truth. Again, these are. These are their recollections of what happened. I don't know why Fox News canceled that contract. It could have been for any reason. It could have been ratings. It could have been. Vaccine was the last straw. Who knows? But the sad part about this is that people lost their jobs because they questioned this botched science. Dr. Fauci knew that the vaccines weren't effective. We know this from his diary. There's a diary entry right here from, from Dr. Fauci that says this. More drama with regard to the CDC and Rochelle Walensky. After much going back and forth between the CDC and other docs, including me, Vivek, Steve Chaw, and to some extent David Kessler, we thought we had gotten them pulled back from making the statement that the vaccines were not effective at all in preventing infection and transmission. So the CDC knew that this was botched. The reason this is an issue is that if they came out with that statement, which is in fact not entirely true, since there is some degree of modest but declining protection, as you would expect, then this would conflict with the statement and effort of recommending that people get the updated bivalent BA 0.5 vaccine in September. There it is, folks. Dr. Fauci admitting that the vaccine mandates were just because they had this vaccine together and they wanted to push it. And why tell people that it doesn't work? I mean, just make them roll up their sleeves for something that they think works. CNN was chief among them when it came to telling people to go get the vaccine. Here's a clip from 2021 and this is one of their morning shows saying that the Pfizer vaccine is 100% effective. In kids Watch, we do have some breaking news.

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

Drug maker Pfizer just announcing the results of its vaccine trial for adolescents. It says its Coronavirus shot was 100% effective at preventing infection sickness among 12 to 15 year olds. This could be a major game Changer for reopening schools across America. So joining us now is Dr. Chris Purnell. She's a public health physician and fellow at the American College of preventive medicine. Doctor, great to see you. 100% effective. Is that.

[RFK Jr.]

I mean, we.

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

John and I haven't heard numbers like that. Is that unusual to find that efficacy rate?

[Haley Karania]

Well, that's even higher than what we

[RFK Jr.]

were reported when we had 95% efficacy in adults.

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

Look, we know these MRNA vaccines are a game changer. The technology is different.

[Haley Karania]

The technology is very promising.

[Dana Bash]

I mean, it's 100%. I mean.

[Joe Biden]

I mean, you know, it does not get any better.

[Haley Karania]

It does not get any better than that. He says he's literally giddy. They're smiling. They're so excited to tell people that this vaccine is 100% effective. It was not 100% effective. And kids didn't even need to get the vaccine. But do you remember this moment from then President Biden's town hall on CNN when he slipped up just a little bit? Watch.

[Joe Biden]

You got the vaccination? Yeah. Are you okay? I mean, you seem. No, it works. Or, you know, or the mom and dad or the neighbor or when you go to church or when you're. No, I really mean it. There are trusted interlocutors. Think of the people. If your kid wanted to find out whether or not there were. There's a man on the moon or whatever, you know something, or you know, whether those aliens are here or not. You know, who are the people they talk to beyond the kids who love talking about it? They go to people they respect and they say, what do you think? And so they should be asking other people. The people they're for. Everything from their teachers to their ministers to their priests to people that they trust.

[Haley Karania]

Yeah, that was like an all time Bidenism. I kind of miss those. Am I crazy for saying that? I kind of miss all the Biden gaffes are kind of fun. But I guess we can go back into the archives and get them. But he asked Don Lemon, you know, oh, you got the vaccine? Are you okay? Don Lemon is certainly not okay, but I don't know if that was because of the vaccine. I think he was not okay before he got that. But I mean, he. We had a sitting president of the United States say the quiet part out loud.

[Dr. Chris Purnell]

Oh, no.

[Haley Karania]

Oh, no, it works. You're. You got the vaccine and you're okay. Oh, no, it works. That makes me think that Biden got maybe something else put in him or something. But people were Already questioning the vaccine's safety and efficacy. And so was Dana Bash. She even asked Dr. Fauci face to face about his lying on CNN watch.

[RFK Jr.]

You acknowledged to the New York Times that you've moved the goalposts in terms of what it would take to reach so called herd immunity in the United States. Here's what you said. You said when polls said about. When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine. I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75% then and newer surveys said 60% or more would take it. I thought, I can nudge this up a bit. So I went to 80, 85. And then you go on to say that it may be as high as 90%. So my question is, why weren't you straight with the American people about this to begin with, huh?

[Chuck Todd]

No, actually, Dana, I don't think it could be interpreted as being straight or not. We have to realize that we have to be humble and realize what we don't know. These are pure estimates and the calculations that I made, 70, 75%. It's a range. The range is going to be somewhere between 70 and 85%. The reason I first started saying 70, 75. I brought it up to 85. That's not a big leap to go from 75 to 85.

[Haley Karania]

Oh, isn't it funny to hear the word humble come out of Dr. Fauci's mouth now that we've seen his diary entries? I mean, Dr. Fauci telling everyone that we need to be humble. It's funny. He wants to be humble when he's wrong, right? Well, oh, well, I might be wrong, but it's okay. Anyway, this is going to bring me to what Dana Bash is saying now in her interview with RFK junior over the weekend. But first, I want to tell you about Bon Charge. I've been using the Bon Charge infrared sauna blanket and red light face mask ever since they sent one to me, and I can't recommend them enough. First, I turned to the sauna blanket to help with muscle recovery and detoxification. That's a total game changer. It's easy to use. You just wrap yourself up and let the infrared heat work its magic. I've noticed a real difference in how relaxed and rejuvenated I feel afterward. The red light face mask is equally as impressive. I've been using it to help improve my skin's texture and reduce inflammation, and I've seen some fantastic results. It's like having a mini spa treatment right at home. You could Put it on. I scroll on my phone while I have it on. So if you're thinking about trying them out, you're in luck. Go to boncharge.com and use code Vince at checkout to get 15 off. Both of these products have made a positive impact on my wellness routine, and I'm sure you'll love them, too. Use Code Vince at boncharge to save 15%. These statements and products have not been evaluated. The Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease or condition. Okay, so fast forward to to 2026 and we've got Dana Bash still working at CNN. Here she gets the opportunity to interview HHS Secretary RFK Jr. At this point, we know about all of Foushee's lies. We know the government pushed a vaccine that didn't work on people. And yet Dana Bash is still obsessed with pinning vaccine hesitancy on RFK Jr. Listen to this.

[Dana Bash]

You have been fooled. Your statement that this has been studied is not true is categorically. It is considered any of this.

[RFK Jr.]

It is considered by every scientist who has studied this.

[Dana Bash]

That is not true. I can.

[Haley Karania]

Every scientist.

[Dana Bash]

Scientist who have looked at this.

[RFK Jr.]

So on the one hand, do you

[Dana Bash]

understand why people aren't getting the Academy of Sciences? What greater authority.

[RFK Jr.]

Do you understand why people are not getting measles vaccines because they're hearing you say that it could cause a subject. I'm not. It's very much related to.

[Dana Bash]

Show me one of the studies that's been done on the first eight the vaccines during the first six months of life. You will not find them the National Academy of Sciences.

[RFK Jr.]

So if that's the case, then why are you telling people to get the vaccine?

[Dana Bash]

Because that is one of the vaccines that has been studied.

[RFK Jr.]

Ok.

[Dana Bash]

It's the only one that has been studied.

[RFK Jr.]

Do you want people to get the MMR vaccine?

[Dana Bash]

Yeah, I said that already.

[RFK Jr.]

Okay, so.

[Dana Bash]

So I know you're flustered now and it is.

[RFK Jr.]

I don't. I'm not flustered at all. I am frustrated. And honestly, the reason I'm frustrated is because I. You are the hhs. You are the HHS secretary and you are talking about things that. That. That lead to vaccine hesitancy in this country. And. And it is something that causes problems for people when there is not anything.

[Dana Bash]

Let me ask you something. Do you see your job as ending vaccine hesitancy or do you see your job as telling the truth to the American people?

[RFK Jr.]

I see my job as telling the truth and the truth Is that there is study after study after study. It's one of the most studied things out there in science.

[Dana Bash]

Like a parrot. You're repeating like a parrot. I've actually read the science. Let's use it here and debate this.

[RFK Jr.]

So I'm not debating this view.

[Dana Bash]

Of course you are.

[RFK Jr.]

No, because I'm not saying how to

[Dana Bash]

do is repeat things that people told you and say trust the experts. That's what you did during COVID Now, we know that Anthony Fauci, who was the expert, was lying about everything. About masks, about social distancing, about natural immunity, about the transmission from the vaccine, about the source of COVID He was lying and you were punishing people for not trusting the experts. And now you're rolling.

[Haley Karania]

This is what they were doing to us, right? The whole pandemic. You do this, you're a bad person. You're killing grandma. You know, you gotta go get the vaccine. Shaking their little Chuck Todd fingers at us. And for Dana Bash, I mean, how can someone go from questioning Fauci to his face about the lies that he told about the efficacy of the vaccines to looking RFK Jr. In the face and blaming him for vaccine hesitancy? Well, it's because like RFK Jr says, she's a parrot. Now here's the best part. RFK Jr outs CNN for fear mongering. And Dana Bash says the quiet part out loud. Listen to this.

[RFK Jr.]

Let me just say for the record that I am not saying that the entire way that the COVID reaction was accurate. It was a scary time and people made mistakes and absolutely, you were scaring people. Why are you saying that?

[Dana Bash]

Because that was the job of cnn, okay, was to put sirens up about how many people are.

[RFK Jr.]

We were trying to be. We were listening to the leaders in this country, including the president, who had a daily press conference explaining what was going on and trying to listen.

[Dana Bash]

Were you listening?

[RFK Jr.]

I want to talk to measles, actually.

[Dana Bash]

Were you reading the measles?

[RFK Jr.]

The measles.

[Haley Karania]

All right, I want to talk about measles now. That's what she says. So Dana admits it. You listen to the experts, and the experts were wrong. And then these people have the audacity to question why people are questioning the experts who got it wrong. Of course we're questioning the experts in the government. They got it dead wrong. Why would anyone would trust them ever again? Especially when it comes to a vaccine or their health or their parents or their parents who have children. So when parents have babies now, they don't want to give them any Shots. And I don't blame them. I've seen videos of autistic children before and after their six month vaccine appointment. Babies who are saying mama. And all of a sudden they come home from their six month appointment and they regress. They can't speak all the words that they learned. Poof, gone. Does that happen to every child who gets vaccinated?

[Jen Psaki]

No.

[Haley Karania]

But I don't blame parents who are now having to make the decision, do I take the risk of my kid getting a disease that could have easily been prevented by a vaccine or. Or do I take the risk of my kid losing their motor functions and developing autism? That's a decision that parents shouldn't have to make. And yet here we are. And Dana bash is calling RFK Jr. A vaccine skeptic and the face of the anti vax movement. But parents started questioning this long before RFK Jr. Was associated with the Trump administration. But when RFK Jr. Was made HHS secretary, he wanted to make changes to to the vaccine schedule. Because in the 1950s, kids were getting about five shots by the time they turned 2 years old. Then in 2026, kids are getting more than 70 vaccine doses, most of which are combined into one vaccine. And these, this rise in autism started popping up at the same time as this rise in vaccines. While there's no proof that the vaccines call out all of these allergies and ADD and autism, the spikes line up. So RFK Jr wanted to make some changes to the vaccine schedule. And some parents are not anti vax altogether, but they're like, hey, let me just spread this out so I'm not shooting up my baby with 70 shots in one day and maybe I can do this over time. So RFK Jr. Has certain vaccines in place for high risk children. He recommends 11 vaccines for kids. The DTaP, MMR, polio, the Hib vaccine that prevents meningitis, PCV, chicken pox, and the HPV vaccine. But the vaccines that RFK Jr doesn't recommend unless high risk are Hep A and B, the flu shot, Covid shot, rotavirus, RSV, and meningocal disease. So this isn't far off, by the way, from the vaccine schedules that are recommended in other countries. And some of this is necessary, and then some of it is not necessary because some childhood vaccines are for sexually transmitted diseases. Why would a child have a sexually transmitted disease? You don't need to give your child a hep A or B vaccine. The Hep B vaccine is given within 24 hours of birth. Why? You would know if the mother had was positive or negative for this, so she's not going to pass it through the birth canal if she's negative. So why. Why give a child a vaccine that has to do with sexually transmitted diseases or. Or a disease that's spread by needles? So despite MMR being on the approved vaccine list for kids under RFK Jr data, Bash is still trying to blame RFK Jr for the measles outbreaks. And he says what we've all been thinking, and this is the truth. The reason we're having a measles outbreak is because of all of the distrust. Not because RFK Jr is making people distrust vaccines. It was because of COVID Watch.

[RFK Jr.]

Do you accept some responsibility for this measles outbreak?

[Dana Bash]

Absolutely not. First of all, this is an international outbreak, and we're doing better at handling it than any country in the world. Mexico has 15 times the amount of measles per capita that we have. Canada has four times the amount of measles. England has two times the amount of measles. Did I cause those measles outbreaks? You're the most famous, and I caused 137,000 cases.

[RFK Jr.]

You're the most famous vaccine skeptic on the planet.

[Dana Bash]

Let me tell you, because actually, Anthony Fauci in his diaries answers the question about why we're having a measles outbreak right now. The reason we're having a measles outbreak because of the COVID lockdowns, because people didn't like children during that period, did not get vaccinated. And in his diaries, he says this is going to cause massive outbreaks in measles and more children. He says this are going to die. Let me finish, because you could accuse me of something. Let me.

[RFK Jr.]

No, I didn't. I asked you a question.

[Dana Bash]

Yeah, let me give you the answer. He says in his diaries, more children are going to die from measles because of these lockdowns than Covid. So if you want to know, and that age group that should have gotten the MMR when they were 18 months and didn't get it, they're the ones being infected, the people in this country. And we have stopped the outbreaks at record speed in South Carolina and Texas and Utah and Virginia, we've done better than any country in the world. I dispatch immediately the epidemic intelligence services to those states. I get on the phone with the governor and we stop them in their tracks. Nobody else has been able to do that.

[RFK Jr.]

You have a bully point.

[Dana Bash]

Let me tell you just one last thing.

[RFK Jr.]

Go ahead.

[Dana Bash]

The communities that are suffering from measles. Are almost all religious communities that just don't vaccinate. The Mennonites are not vaccinated since 1796, since Edward Jenner invented the smallpox vaccine. It's hard to blame that. I mean, as much as you want to blame.

[RFK Jr.]

No, I don't want to blame you. I'm asking you because you have a very powerful voice on these issues for people who are skeptical. In fact. Let me finish. Let me finish.

[Dana Bash]

I've never questioned the efficacy of the MMR vaccine.

[Haley Karania]

Nice. I mean, he really put her in his place and put her in her place. And even in the other clip, when she. When he was like, you're getting really flustered. She was like. She, like, started like, I don't even know what she was doing with her mouth. I'm like, yeah, you're flustered, girl. I don't know what's going on, but whatever's going on, I don't know. People were making jokes online about her being a lizard person, and just, like, the lizard had to come out during the interview. I don't know what that was about. But anyway, the legacy media and everyone who buys every single one of their lies is confused as to why people are vaccine skeptics. Again, look no further than Dr. Fauci, Dana Bash, CNN and the like are pointing their fingers at vaccine skeptic RFK Jr. You know, just because he's part of the Trump administration and they're trying to pin this measles outbreak on someone in Trump's circle. Of course. Even though you can't actually do that, because there happens to be a lot of Trump supporters like myself, who will never get a vaccine in their life, and I will never vaccinate my future children. And that decision has nothing to do with RFK Jr. It has nothing to do with Trump. It has everything to do with the pandemic, the lockdowns, the vaccine mandates, and the tyrannical policies that ensued. So now we do have a misinformation crisis, but not in the way that the legacy media thinks. The American people don't trust the government, no matter who's in charge now. They don't trust the media. They don't even trust their own eyeballs, thanks to AI. So now we're left trusting our guts. And I thank God every day I trusted mine when I didn't get this jab. Up next, I want to talk to you about Kamala Harris. She was asked to name the top three most effective presidents in history, and she forgot to mention her running Mate. But first, I want to tell you about our next sponsor. August is the perfect time to hit reset before the autumn rush begins. And honestly, I can't think of a better place to start than my closet. That's why I love shopping at Quint. Quint is all about fewer, better prices. Their clothes are made with premium materials, built to last and designed to become the items that you reach for day after day. Best of all, everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical factories and cut out the middlemen. Upgrade your everyday. Download the Quint app for exclusive offers or go to quinte.com Vince get free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. And now available in Canada and the UK too. That is Quince Q U I N C E.com Vince Quince Vince. I like that. I also want to tell you about Bowen Branch. You ever climb into bed on a summer night and instantly regret it? Your sheets are sticking to your legs and you're debating whether to turn the AC down another 5 degrees. Sleeping hot is the worst. That's why I love Bolin Branch. These are some of my favorite sheets. Their summer bedding is breathable, lightweight, and designed to help you stay cool all night. Their sheets are made from 100% organic cotton and woven specifically for airflow, not just softness. Sleep cooler this summer with bolan branch get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at bolanbranch.com Vince with code Vince that is Bowen branch. B O L L A N D branch.com Vince use code Vince to unlock 15% off. Again, that is bowenbranch.com/vince code Vince. You got Bowen Branch. Don't you like them? Oh, because, well, Kim deserves all the best. You know, Kim is growing a new baby inside of her. She deserves the softest sheets and the best sheets. She deserves everything. She deserves the world. But certainly Bowen brand sheets, they're. They're so good. I also don't, uh, don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure Bull and Branch are the sheets that they use in the White House. Don't quote me on that, but I did hear that. Oh, I love that. I love to hear that. Code scroll. I'm just kidding. This is Vince. So you can use code Vince but also code scroll if you want. All right, so let's get into this. Former vice president Kamala Harris. She was in Nashville over the weekend to speak at the National Urban League conference and the National Bar association annual convention. And I think it's safe to say she's still on rocky ground with the Bidens after this. Listen, in your view, rank the top three most affected presidents in American history.

[Kamala Harris]

Oh, Mark, don't make me do that.

[Haley Karania]

Oh, you can turn a question.

[Kamala Harris]

It was actually interesting. I couldn't sleep last night and I was watching NPR was doing. Did anybody watch a whole thing on fdr? Did you watch it? And it was. And you know, of course, his three terms in office and it was interesting to. And of course, the role of his wife, Eleanor Roosevelt. And you know, he did some good things. In fact, it was he who talked about the expansion of the Supreme Court. And then he got ferocious back,

[Jen Psaki]

you

[Kamala Harris]

know, kind of blowback for that. But he did good. It was Social Security. You know, when I think about what he did in terms of investing in the people during dire times and talking about the role and responsibility of government, that it should not just be about the benevolence of, of community organizations or just interpersonal relationships that the government has a role. I think that he was a very important president. He appreciated that government has in my mind, three essential functions, which is public health, public safety and public education. You know, I will credit. Give me more time to really think about this. I credit, you know, Kennedy, of course, in terms of what he laid the groundwork for. And then Johnson followed up on, of course, of course, right around having the ability. But that was again, an example of the inside, outside game. Because the reason that happened is because the pressure was on from the outside to appeal to the conscience of the people on the inside.

[Dana Bash]

Yes.

[Kamala Harris]

And so I don't think that there's been any great president who has been without that kind of pressure as well. And then of course, Barack Obama.

[Haley Karania]

Yeah, of course. There we go. There's number three.

[Kamala Harris]

Yeah.

[Chuck Todd]

So.

[Haley Karania]

And what he did with the Kennedy, Obama, fdr, Kennedy, Obama, guess who she didn't say. I mean, sorry also to everyone in the chat and to everyone listening. I'm sorry, that was a long Kamala Harris clip. I'm sorry to do that to you, but I had to. Fdr, Kennedy, Barack Obama. Remember when she was all smiles answering Joe Biden's cell phone call? We did it, Joe. We did it. They were so happy back then. Love a good word salad at 8am Love a good word salad at 8am and she's the queen. And I miss them. I kind of do. I miss her word salads and I miss Biden's word salads. I'm just going to be honest. I do. We don't get them as much anymore. And it's a, you know, it's nice that we have someone who's competent in the office. Right. But I do kind of miss making fun of them anyway. Kamala Harris probably blames Biden, right, and the DNC for not giving her enough time to campaign. She, you know, she wrote a whole book about her 103 day campaign. I think it was 103. And you know, she had enough time in those 103 days to pay JLo to cry and Megan the Stallion to twerk on stage and then end up millions of dollars in debt. So she had plenty of time to campaign. She just didn't do so effectively. And she would she have really needed that much time to campaign on her own if she was a active participant in the Biden administration? You should be able to be confident in what you're doing for the American people where she wouldn't really need that much time to campaign, aside from, hey, this is what I've been doing in office. We're doing great, right guys? You know, how are we doing? But it was bad. So even if she did run a good campaign, she claims that, you know, she didn't have enough time. But I think it's because she didn't have much to run on other than her skin tone and being a woman and being pro abortion. So even if she had hundreds of more days to campaign, the American people weren't interested. They weren't interested in her. In 2021, she ran for president. Nobody voted for her. Nobody even. She dropped out. No one even cast one vote for her before the primaries. She dropped out. She was so unpopular and they weren't interested in her after her little stint as vice president either. The more camera time she got, the more word salads she whipped up. Nobody was impressed. So whether or not the DNC ran Joe Biden's corpse and continued to do that, or if they put her out in front instead, the two of them were sure to stumble and misspeak. They were good for a gaffe, that's for sure. But Kamala Harris was asked who was an effective president and she was sure not to include Joe Biden. I would have to agree. I didn't think that Joe Biden was an effective president either. Do we think she knows he was a total failure or is this like her personal vendetta against Joe? Do you think she thinks that they did a bad job in office, or do you think she's just mad that Joe Biden kind of like gave her the boot at the end. You can let me know in the chat what you think. I think it's a personal vendetta thing. I don't think. I don't think she thinks that they were that bad. I think she probably thinks pretty highly of herself and the work that she did, whatever that is. And I think she's just mad at Joe Biden. And if she wants to revive her political career and run for office again at some point, she doesn't even think her own administration was effective. I mean, how can you run on that? And she can blame Joe Biden for that, I guess, but she was the border czar and. And she fell completely flat on her face. The younger Democrats really wouldn't even be interested in voting for her anyway at this point because the Biden Harris administration wasn't pro Palestine enough for their liking. But I think in this moment we saw some truth. I think she knows the administration was a failure. It didn't matter if he was at the helm or if she was at the helm. The American people, left right were unhappy with them and it was the Democratic establishment propping them up as long as they could. What a failure. And she probably wants to get into the good graces of Obama, if I had to guess. Because if she does run, at least she can hang on to him like a leech for endorsements and support because at least he's still well liked by the party in the voting base. And not to mention, I think Kamala Harris should run in 2028. And for the record, I think she should run. I think AOC should run. Matter of fact, I hope they team up. Dumb and dumber, 2028. And I don't know who's who. Who's dumber, in your opinion? Who's dumber, AOC Or Kamala Harris? Kamala. Jasmine says Kamala, who's dumber, AOC Or Kamala Harris? It is a tough one. You can let me know in the chat. You let me know in the live chat who you think is dumber, Kamala Harris or AOC. But that doesn't really necessarily mean they're smarter. That just means you ran a better campaign or people like you better. You know, because. Okay, here's what everyone's saying in the chat. Aoc I would say Kamala. AOC Kamala. Kamala. Kamala. Kamala. Kamala's drunker.

[RFK Jr.]

Okay.

[Haley Karania]

Tough pick. Everyone said in the chat, aoc. Aoc Kamala, AOC It's a toss up. It's a toss up, right? Coin flip. We could do a Coin flip and see who's dumber. But I. I think it's actually really hard. I think AOC might be dumber, actually. I don't know. That's really hard. I want to say AOC is dumber just because she's younger. She said some stupid things. Kamala Harris has some experience, but then again, that doesn't make her smarter. They're both not well spoken, so it's kind of. It's kind of hard. I IQ test. I demand an IQ test right now for the both of them. Anyway, moving on now to some news from over the weekend. Not so funny news.

[RFK Jr.]

This is.

[Haley Karania]

This is serious stuff here. But on Saturday, a lone gunman opened fire at an in and out in Twin Falls, Idaho. Here's a video of this shooter taking out his gun and shooting a Tesla. Look at this. This is after he shot inside, firing three shots into that Tesla. This is the guy

[Kamala Harris]

now.

[Haley Karania]

He's running, running away from the in and out. Just horrible. Out of that. He's just running around now. But he already. He already shot up the Tesla and three people were killed, including one In N out employee who's an associate and seven other people were injured. This is after he opened fire in the restaurant itself. And then including that Uber driver who was charging his Tesla. He was injured, not killed, but authorities confirmed that the gunman killed himself. But before that happened, an off duty state trooper and a good Samaritan stepped in amid this in and out shooting. Take a look at this. This is not the shooter. This is a Good Samaritan and he opened fire. So he, the Good Samaritan didn't. He wasn't the one who took out the gunman ultimately, but he was there and he did what he could in that moment. And I commend him for that. That is bravery and that is someone who cares about their fellow citizen. Right? And the In N Out president, Lindsey Snyder put out this statement. This is what she put out on her Facebook. To my dear In N out family, customers and friends and family to both. My heart is broken. My chest is heavy. My eyes burn from the tears I've shed. We lost one of our beautiful associates tonight. She was taking care of our most important asset, our customers. And her life was taken by a disgusting human who doesn't value the lives of others or. Or his own. He shot both on our property and off and ended his life shortly after. He took the precious lives of our associate, associate and customers. Innocent people who never saw it coming. In N out will be mourning with the families and praying for them as they tread through a very painful season. I am no stranger to loss, but this is incredibly tough. And my heart also goes out to all the associates and customers who were there during this traumatic event. I love you all and I ask you to turn to God not in anger, but seeking comfort and strength for those who are hurting. We will stand together and we will do everything we can to learn from this situation. Love and God bless you, Lindsay, and family. And I thought this was a wonderful, heartfelt statement from a president of a company. We don't really get this kind of a statement, right? And in these moments, thoughts and prayers are frowned upon. You know, you know, there's all these shootings, mass shootings. People say, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers, thoughts and prayers. And people usually say, well, that's sort of, that's. We want to see politicians do more, right? And the reality is there's no law that would have prevented this. It's already illegal to open fire and murder innocent people. There's no gun control measure that could stop this. Even if every gun on the planet was eliminated in, you know, the liberals perfect world, violence and murder and crime would still take place. Unfortunately, it's human nature. And when we see evil take place, it helps us realize the contrast between that and good. And in this instance, we saw a bad guy with a gun and a good guy with a gun. Conservatives usually say that this is a trope that comes up when, you know, the left, you know, the left responds to a shooting incident and they say, let's get rid of all guns, right? And we say, but for every bad guy with a good gun, we need a good guy with a gun. And we saw that, we saw that here. And you can take away the guns and we'd still have a bad guy with a knife and a good guy with a knife, right? Because there's good and there's evil. But I'm grateful for this good Samaritan and off duty police officer who proves that more cops make our world a safer place to live in. Security guards, armed guards, they make our world a safer place to live in. Having an armed society makes our society a safer place to live in. That's why gun free zones are targets. They're soft targets. And that's why defunding police and efforts by the left to dehumanize police are evil. But good will always overcome. So my thoughts and prayers go out to the in and out customers that were there. Again, the associate who passed away, the customers who passed away and their family it is, it is a shame, but when you have good guys with good intentions with guns, we thank them for their service. And usually on my show I do a scrolling time segment. If you don't listen to my show, I, I scroll an inordinate amount of time on my phone and my screen time is probably upwards of 14 hours a day. It's really sick. Dan talks about this on his show, that he thinks his screen time is high. He doesn't know high screen time. He texted me the other day, he's like, what's your screen time? I was talking about on my show? He's like, mine's pretty high. I think it's eight hours, Mike. Yeah, I'm almost double. You know, those are, I said, dan, those are rookie numbers. So point is, I scroll and I scroll harder than everyone else and I find some gems when I'm scrolling on social media. And I want to share with you at least one of these videos that we have time for today. And this is by Cali from California. I believe she ran for school board, but she's a conservative living in California. She says she's going to hold it down. She's going to hold down the fort for the conservatives in California. She's not planning on leaving anytime soon, but she likes to expose some of the lunacy. And this is a rich person who thinks that they're living under Trump's tyranny. Watch.

[Cali from California]

Check out this sign. It says fight tyranny. And these people are very oppressed. They live in a multi million dollar house on the coast of California. They should probably start a GoFundMe so that it can escape the tyranny of Donald Trump and their oppression. Very much living a hard life. These California Democrats going through it, man. Maybe we should help them seek asylum in a country like China.

[Haley Karania]

I mean, it really is ridiculous to see there's nothing worse than like a rich entitled California liberal. So annoying. And to argue that President Trump is a tyrant is to ignore reality. He's a duly elected president. He does not have unchecked power. The Supreme Court and activist judges all over the country are ready to oppose him at every turn. But the sheer fact that this person has a photo of the president on their door that calls him a tyrant means that we don't live under a tyrant because we wouldn't be able to do that. It's absolutely ridiculous. So I'm going to leave it there for today. My show scrolling with Haley starts at noon, so I hope that you tune in for my show today. That is rumble.com Haley the Bungee no Report channel. Same channel. That's that. You catch Vince right here at 8. I'm so grateful for you all tuning in today. I know that guest host days sometimes people don't stick around. But I appreciate it so much and my show today. I am interviewing a good friend, Ali Voss. She's one of my favorite people to follow on X. We're talking about all things relationships, the battle between the sexes, men and women. Seems like nobody likes each other these days. There's a male loneliness crisis and the birth rate is plummeting. So we're going to get to the bottom of all of those issues. We we've got a lot of fun videos that we're breaking down. So I hope you tune in for that again. That is scrolling with Haley at noon right here on the Rumble Channel for the Bonjino report. And you can follow me on social media as well at Haley Karania on all platforms. And I'll see you at noon. Thanks for watching.