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But in the meantime, a lot of meaningful progress has been made thanks to you and your efforts. We'll get into that. Of course. We have to. We always have to gavel in for our Save America act conversation. Also, the latest on what's going on in Iran as President Trump bombs an island. What's going on in Carg Island? We'll tell you about that and the president's efforts to stabilize fuel prices in the country. And we're joined today by Buck Sexton. Buck Sexton is stopping by the program. You guys know Buck. Buck's great. Buck will be here with us coming up on this edition of Vince. Let us see who is our great sponsor to start the program. Oh, Quince. Quince. I love Quince. Quince and Vince go together like peanut butter and jelly. Hey. A thoughtfully built wardrobe really comes down to the pieces that mix well, you know, you just need good clothing. Clothing that looks great, feels great and actually lasts. And that's where Quince shines. 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And for our Canadian friends, it's now available in Canada too. Don't keep settling for clothing that doesn't last. Go to Q U I n c e.com/vince for free shipping, 365 day returns quints.com/vince. The chat very lively this morning. Chad Prather has raided the stream. Thank you for that. Sean Farish. That's right, Sean Farish is filling in for the great Dan Bongino this morning. I just had the the pleasure of speaking to him from a distance over the control room audio. I was like, I hear a voice that sounds an awful lot like the president of the United States and it wasn't President Trump. It was Sean Farish. And I wasn't even disappointed. It was Sean. I was excited about that. It was great. So Sean, coming up this morning on Dan's great program, we are hunkering down here in the Washington, D.C. area. Any of you in chat in the the nation's capital region right now, the claim all through the weekend is that we're going to be slammed with tornadoes today, that there's these converging fronts that are going to create tornadoes. Now I'm just hoping this is just dramatic overstatement that it's not going to, we're not going to. But if this happens, it might happen in the middle of the big national radio show today. We're on guard for it. I called Jim last night, producer Jim and I said, hey, I hope you had a nice weekend. He's like, yeah, yeah, it was great. He said, I'm very excited. And I said not to stress you out or anything, but you might be randomly hosting the show at some point tomorrow if a tornado takes out my power. So I just want you to know that. And he took it in stride. So. So we'll see. Anything can happen. Tune into the big national radio show today to see if a tornado carries me away. Could be kind of exciting. I don't, I Don't know. But for those of you who live in, like, Tornado Alley, you're like, okay, Vince, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. I just, I'm just telling you. The way it works in D.C. by the way, is that they get these really tight bands of storms. Remember the derecho. Remember hearing that phrase now? What Was that, like, 15 years ago? This really narrow band of storms where you have these fronts converging and then they just rip from west to east straight across the nation's capital. And as they do, it's just devastation left behind. It, it's like everything falls down. Just, just, just truly aggressive. Just quick like, almost like hurricane winds blast through the region. So we'll see. We'll see what happens. Feeling good, though. Feeling good, though. We need to get to. I'm going to get to the Save America Act. Also, some hilarious news that I just saw this morning that I need to share with you coming up. But I will say I brood a lot on all of the stuff that you see going on on the right. You guys follow any of this? It's like, there's like, podcasters and stuff and just people like, kind of going at each other. President Trump last night posted on Truth Social words of support for Mark Levin. And there's just constant battling going on. And if you've paid, if you, if you've been with me for a while, you know, this is not the world that I dive into. I don't mind diving into fights between, you know, everybody, because the reality is, like, I know everybody and I'm friends with all of them. I, I know them all. I know them all. And it's one of the blessings of my life that I've been able to get to know so many great patriots. And it breaks my heart to see them at war with one another. I hate saying it so much, but I've been thinking about this a lot, of course, because I just want, fundamentally what I want this show to be. And I saw Matt Van Swell write about it, a smart piece this weekend. What I want this show to be is a place where we can get together and focus on the clear threats to our country, what we can do as activists to fight for a better future, where we can apply pressure, especially to people who are in power, to achieve great things for us and to do that as routinely as I possibly can. That's really all I'm interested in. And I know this audience is interested in that as well. Which is why we've made so much progress on the Save America Act. It's because you have just stayed in the fight with me and Scott Pressler and Mike Lee and Anna Paulina Luna and Chip Roy. The list has actually grown so much that I can't even mention all of the names who are in on this fight. But this is what I wanna do. This is what I wanna do. I wanna focus this show on what it is we can do to get the country back on track. And I love Trump. I think President Trump has been a great president. That's why I keep voting for him now three times in a row to be President of the United States. And the guy has checked the boxes. I mean, he keeps fulfilling all of these promises. I think it gets lost sometimes. The extent to which he really has hammered through the list of promises that he's made to the country. You know what I mean? Like, for instance, I just was talking with a friend recently about border wall funding, just to give you an example. So border wall funding in the Big beautiful bill. I'm just looking it up just to remind myself, now, there was $47 billion. Just want to remind people, because there's a. There's a theory online that's like, well, where's the border wall? I thought we were getting border wall. Yeah, he's getting it for you right now. Do people miss this stuff? Don't fall for the bumper stickers. Always go into the details. Like, what are the details? Well, the details are that the big Beautiful bill had $47 billion in border wall funding. How did we get that? Well, President Trump got it for us. He got it through Congress. We can barely get a photo ID bill through Congress right now. But, like, he got $47 billion in border wall funding through now. When do we get the full construction of the border wall? I'm glad you asked. DHS just announced the final contract on that in February of this year, and it will be built and completed by the beginning of 2028. That's in the midst of and before the next presidential election. So they secure the money, they. They've secured the contract, and now they're doing the construction. And not only is it border wall, they have water barriers and all sorts of things that they're putting up to complete what the President ran on from the very beginning, which is a secure border for the United States of America. So that's just like one of those stories where it's like, what's happening with this thing that I'm not seeing. Well, it's getting done. It's why there's not a big scandal around it, actually. It's because President Trump is achieving it. He stopped all the illegal aliens crossing the border. We've now collapsed to zero every month as a result. There's also a massive drop in the amount of drugs that are coming across the border. Drug deaths are plummeting. Lots of bad guys are being picked up off the streets. We're deporting millions of people from the United States, either forcibly or through self deportations. The guy's working it. He's doing a good job. He's doing a good job. So, you know, I know there's an expression, Dan likes to use it. He talks about the doomers and people that are out there who are just kind of blackpilling on things. I just, I'm here to encourage you. The guy's doing a good job. Does that mean that every single thing President Trump does will be perfect forever? No, it doesn't. We're all human. We make mistakes. We're prone to sin. We can't see everything about the future. The future's unknowable. We have to just kind of forge our way ahead as best we can. But I would say again, as a guy who's friends with everybody on, on the, on the right, I say everybody. I don't know everybody, but I, I know a lot of these guys. And, and I will say the one thing that I consistently pray for is that they can detect the humanity in one another. Stop ascribing motives, just listen to each other, try and navigate towards something better. That's it. And, and to the, and basically, let's, let's cool down the temperature on the personal attacks, because what's happening ultimately is if we are beset by infighting that creates a, creates a situation where so many people are completely dejected. You're going to have massive numbers of people on the right, or at least meaningful numbers of people check out of politics entirely. Like, whatever, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who I vote for. And screw these guys and they don't do anything for me. The end result is that the absolute worst people take the levers of power and then they just hit the explosion button. So let's not do that. Let's not do that at all. Let's keep making this party better. Let's fight for it. Think about this now, by the way, I didn't, I did not intend to dive into this, but because I'm brooding on it, I figured, you know, let's just talk about it now, because that's the way I always am with this show. You know, the only way we get a better Republican Party is if we fix it, is if we improve it and if we impose consequences on Republicans who fail us. And that doesn't mean waiting until the general election to withhold our vote for the Republican candidate. It means going at them, especially in the primary phase, picking better candidates to move forward and encouraging crappy Republicans to retire, getting them out of office. Like, for instance, it's a great thing that Thumbelina Thom Tillis is leaving the United States Senate. He's frustrated by maga. Obviously, he doesn't like you. He hates that you have so much influence in American politics. And he doesn't get to continue his feckless nonsense, his establishment garbage rhino nonsense in perpetuity. And so he's out. He's like, this is too hard. Okay, go, go. I'm glad you're retiring. I'm glad you're retiring. President Trump has successfully convinced all sorts of establishment members of Congress to hang it up and to move on to something else. Retirement. After retirement. After retirement. Now, has that, in effect, had an effect on our margins? Yes, things are tight, no question. And we need to have majorities in both houses to win, but we do need to have a controlled burn of the Republican Party. Absolutely. This is, again, advocating for all this all the time. And also, when Republicans fail us, they do need consequences imposed on them wherever we can do it. And we need to make examples out of Republicans who fail us. So, for instance, what just happened in Indiana? Indiana. Republican lawmakers in the state of Indiana were asked to do the simple thing of answering the left's election rigging operations all across the country. You remember this? Of course you do. We talked about it at the time. And what happened? Well, Indiana Republicans, not all of them, but meaningful numbers of them, failed us. They just said, no, we're not doing it. We're not going to take back territory that was stolen by the American left. We're not gonna do it. Okay, well, then we're not gonna. We have no use for you then. And so right now, I just had Scott Pressler on my radio program the other day. Right now, there is all sorts of actual MAGA money going into the state of Indiana to primary these Republicans out of office. The Republicans who failed us to get them out of office. Now, will that effort succeed? Maybe the answer is maybe they're incumbents. They have the strength of their incumbency. They may hold on, but here's the big thing. If you've got all that money flowing in and now war chests are being spent just to stay alive in Indiana, going through that pain is a useful warning sign to every other Republican across the country who would fail this base. So whether or not they survive this fight, suddenly they're in a fight they never expected and they're sweating bullets about it. That's what we need. We need never ending, relentless pressure to improve the quality of Republicans across the country. That's what I'm for. That's what I'm for. And so as we go through everything, whatever we're going through, one, I just, I want people to remember that, like, what's all of this about in the end? Ultimately, it's about getting to heaven. Ultimately, it's about eternity. You know, what kind of life are you leading now? And whether or not it's with a sense of your eternal purpose and find out what that is. And if you do that, you're going to be on a great track. Wonderful. And the other piece is knowing that it helps calm you down and go, okay, all of this stuff is not the most important stuff, but it's important enough. I need to take care of my family. I need my kid to grow up in a thriving world. I need my grandchildren to grow up in a thriving world. And how do I achieve that? And who's the impediment to making that happen? And now let's get rid of them. Stay in the fight. Stay positive and just, you know, pray for your country. Pray for your country and pray for the people you love to have their eyes opened and to realize that we're all on the same team and we're fighting for something very big right now. Does that make sense? I hope it does. Yeah. We just, just stay in this fight. You know, we've got the Save America act fight going on right now. Should I gavel into it? I should gavel in. Here we go. Yeah, we're gaveled in. The Save America fight is going on right now and we've. I want to, I want to once again accentuate something that you have achieved here. And I'm not, this is not false praise. I'm not, I'm not just sucking up to you because you're the audience. Although I, Although I'll admit that's part of it. We have been on this issue for as long as any show that I'm aware of, just on the Save America act and getting the United States Senate to do its job, telling people what's possible that a simple majority vote is achievable if you can get all these Republicans on board. We've just been relentlessly pounding this story and we've had on as many of the guests as we possibly can to help accentuate this, including Rachel Bovard over at the Conservative Partnership Institute. She was just on with me Friday on the radio show. And the thing that that we're doing is we have forced the United States Senate to do something that they didn't want to do. Now no Democrat wants to do this at all. And a lot of the establishment Republicans just didn't want to do this at all. They think it's a big waste of time. They think that stolen elections is a hoax, that I'm giving you the range of reasons why they're against this. They're also against the idea that voters get to dictate their schedule. And maybe the worst kept secret is they don't like working. They don't actually want to take the floor of the Senate and mount a valiant effort that takes a lot of endurance and standing and sitting and bathroom breaks and on and on. It's just a lot. It's a marathon work session that they're not interested in. The Senate is very happy with his three day workweek and then not really doing much the rest of the time. So, like, and being called the United States Senator, it's a big deal. I'm a senator. Yeah. Well, why don't you earn the title? Why don't you actually do the job? So thank you for every one of you. I'm still getting messages this morning. There are people who are sending in copies of responses that they're getting from Senate offices, letters, emails with sometimes squirrely language from senators. I have one listener this morning send me a screen grab of a letter that she got back from Senator John Curtis in Utah, a guy who's not for using the speaking filibuster. He's been resistant to it and it was like, you know, the typical out of head pat language from a Republican senator, which is like, yeah, I really care about the Save America act and it's really important. And. But it was meant to like kind of placate her and just make her go away, but without like a full commitment to, I'm fighting for the speaking filibuster. I'm going to get this all the way across the finish line. I'm doing everything I can to get it past. Nothing like that kind of resolve is built into the letter and that's deeply frustrating. But the cool thing is that she was attuned to it. She sees it, she shared it with me. And she goes, look at this language. It's like, squirrely. The guy's, like, running away from his obligations. And this. This pressure that you've been placing, this attention to detail that you've been wielding has generated so much more forward momentum than anybody expected, including, I would say, including the people who've been pushing for it. Just like, wow, we got this a little bit further than we thought. Sure enough, starting tomorrow, John Thune is expected to begin a floor debate that some outlets are now claiming could last at least a week and maybe two weeks. Now, Mike Lee is speaking out about this, and he goes, hey, look, I'm guardedly optimistic. Mike Lee, take a look. Here's Mike Lee, cut one at what he's saying lately.
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Okay, important update on the Save America act and the effort to get it passed. Look, I am guardedly optimistic. We've turned kind of a corner over the last few days. There's been some uncertainty about exactly what procedure we will be and will not be using in the end. We've been working closely with Leader Thune and his staff, and they've been great to work with. What we're coming up with is something that I think is best described as a hybrid version of the talking filibuster. But, look, let's not get mired down in nomenclature. What matters far more than what we call call it is what we do with it. We're going to bring it to the floor. We're going to debate it for an extended period of time before filing cloture. And in my view, at least, I don't want to speak for anyone else. This bill needs to remain on the Senate floor before we file cloture on the bill for as long as it takes to get it done. Now, the fact that Leader Thune and his office have been willing to work with us on this, and they appear open to a variation of that, is a good thing things. So let's. Let's keep up the momentum. Let's encourage them to continue to do this. Let's put the bill on the floor. Let's make those who want a filibuster speak and keep it on there as long as possible. Thanks so much.
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Basically, let's go the distance with this thing. Let's take this as far as we possibly can. No rapid conclusion to this. We need massive debate. And what does debate create? Not only does it create a moment where people are exposed for what they truly believe, like, you know, and this is why I've been saying, well, we don't need show votes for Democrats. We know they want an open border. That's not a surprise. But just remember the fact that we get these guys debating and talking and making their case for and against the Save America act will have political consequences for the country. It will expose the failures among the Republicans, it'll expose the callousness of of these Democrats. It'll show who the actual MAGA champions truly are. A lot will be exposed by this process. And when things are exposed, it creates political pressures, whether that means ejecting people who suck or actually changing votes among people who realize that the position they currently have is completely untenable. This debate needs to be as long as possible, stretched out as long as possible. And here's one more big reason for that. And we'll get into some more on the Save America act in a moment. But one more big reason for this. What you are doing right now is you are structuring this into the DNA of the Republican Party. And I don't just mean leadership, I don't just mean elected officials. I mean right now, you, the active thinking, engaged American, somebody who's following politics closely enough to know what the Save America act even is, what you've done is you've now made this conversation completely national that Republicans all across the country, regardless of how attentive they are to the day to day machinations of Washington, are now making this a part of their political cause. This is now hardwired into everybody. What do you want out of a legislator? What do you want out of an elected official? I want my elections safeguarded. This is priority one now for voters across the country. People who hadn't maybe spent a great deal of time thinking about it, all of a sudden thinking about it very sincerely. Wait a second. Photo id? Yeah, that's what I want. But American citizens should only be the ones registered to vote. They should prove it when they register. Yeah, that's what I want. Voting rolls should be clean. Yeah, that's what I want. Noncitizens shouldn't be on them. Dead people shouldn't be on them. The same people shouldn't be on duplicate voter rol across the country. Yeah, that's what I want. This is hardwired into the right now. And with each passing day of debate in the United States Senate, we are creating a stronger, I don't want to say Republican Party, just a stronger population that has common sense. The only way we can improve our country fundamentally is if the voters who ultimately control its destiny for now, know exactly what they want and pursue it with ferocity. And what we want right now is credible elections, which is why we have to stay in this fight. So whatever the result of the Save America act debate on the Senate floor over the next few weeks, whatever the result of that, and I'm not even beginning to promise that this thing is going to pass, I'm interested to see what happens next because as I said earlier, nobody can tell the future. But whatever the result here, we have trained an entire generation of activists to make this priority one. And if we stay in this fight, we can actually accomplish it. We can. More ahead on this edition of events. Let me talk to you about what's going on with Brickhouse Nutrition. This is a great sponsor of our program. You know, there's a lot of people who own the weight loss injections, the weight loss. You know about these weight loss injections? Of course you do. You probably know somebody who's on. And the results are very dramatic. And this is how they work. They lower blood sugar. They reduce appetite. But what if you want to lose the weight but you don't want the painful weekly injections? A lot of people concerned about those injections. You hear about some of those side effects. They're like, I'm not interested. This is exactly why doctors at Brickhouse Nutrition created Lean. Lean's awesome. Lean is a weight loss supplement. The results are remarkable. 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know anything about this legislation, what the Save America act does is that it makes it impossible for illegal aliens to vote in our elections. Pretty common sense. Now, I think that's pretty easy, right? We don't want illegal aliens voting in our elections. My favorite thing is, whenever I bring this up, you'll have some Democrat on TV who will say, well, we don't have to worry about that because illegal immigrants voting in our elections is very rare. Well, number one, how about we put it to zoom? Zero. Okay? Even if you're right, Number two, you're not right. It happens way more often than a lot of people appreciate. In fact, just this week, ICE arrested an illegal immigrant. I'm going to read this because I want to make sure I get it right. An illegal immigrant from Mauritania who's voted in seven federal elections since 2008. And I haven't got good authority that at every single election he voted for Don Davis. No, I don't know about that. I don't know where he voted. But I guarantee it wasn't for us, okay? It wasn't for America first policies. Now here's the thing, though. Even if you take the Democrats at their word, even if illegal aliens voting is very rare, then why don't we ban it anyway? It's not that complicated. It is one thing to say. I don't get it. The Democrats say this never happens, or it happens only very rarely. On the one hand, it. And on the other hand, we must not stop it. It doesn't make a damn bit of sense. We need to get all illegal aliens stopping from voting in our elections. It's very common sense stuff.
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Yeah, he's right about that. And the hysterics by the left is all the proof in the world that they're very aware that they're the beneficiaries of illegal votes. And no doubt many of them encourage that very thing. And the reason they don't want election integrity is to protect that scheme. Duh. This is why they're fighting. If this was nothing, if this was just a random thing, if this, you know, it would be like. This would be like naming a post office. They could pass it with unanimous consent. In the Senate, everyone yawns and moves on with their work. Yet here we are fighting for the basics. Yeah, that's because they're cheating. That's why. It's as simple as that. JD Vance indicating that smartly. By the way, I hear that J.D. vance and President Trump are set to do some media today together. An event to get together. So I'm looking forward to the two of them together, they have a lot to talk about. My guess is the Save America act is one of the things that'll come up and certainly the war in Iran, a lot to discuss on that subject. In fact, we'll be talking a little bit more about the war and what's going on with Buck Sexton here in just a moment. But finally, before we move on, one more on the Save America act for you two. Well, let's make it two. I say one more. Let's do two. Mike Lee is also addressing the myths that Democrats are spreading about it. The left keeps saying that Americans are going to be denied the ability to register to vote. If, you know, if they get, like, married and they change their last name or if they don't have the right documents, they don't have their documents. Oh, they won't be able to vote just because, you know, a fire burned up their document and now they can't vote. Mike Lee says no. We've thought of everything. Actually, we've fixed all of this. Watch a little bit of Mike Lee here.
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We took great pains to go out of our way to make sure that no American, no American would be left in the dark. This will not cost them a dime and no one will be excluded if they can't find their documentation. All of us should be aware of
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the fact of what is required by
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this act when it comes to registering to vote. You have to present identification, correct. But your driver's license, which most people use in the course of business every single day, is not acceptable. What is acceptable is a passport. 50% of Americans do not have a passport.
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Those who want to obtain it so
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they can vote will pay $186 and wait three or four weeks for that to happen. Secondly, you can use a birth certificate, but any person who has changed their name as a result of a marriage
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correction of it ridiculous that they're eligible register to vote. I'm happy to report to my, my dear friend and colleague Senator Durbin from Illinois. You're in luck. We've taken care of that. When you read the bill, what you'll discover is that we've made special accommodation for those who don't have documentation, for those who can't find their birth certificate. Maybe their house burned down, maybe their dog ate it, whatever it is. When all else fails, if you don't have documentation establishing the information on your birth certificate or what would be in a passport or Otherwise, the bill contains a provision requiring each state to allow an alternative mechanism by which someone can buy attestation, issue a sworn statement establishing the critical facts underlying their citizenship. It then puts the onus on the state to follow up on that and to determine the authenticity of it. States have access to their own records. States have reciprocity with other states and are able to achieve verification of that. So we've taken care of that problem. And so I'm sure you'll be elated to hear that. And we look forward to having your affirmative.
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Thank you. That's perfect. Act. There's Mike Lee explaining really clearly. Look, we've created all sorts of mechanisms here to make sure that no American citizen is left out to dry, that they can, they will be able to vote, they will be able to register. We've got it all locked up. I don't know what your objections are. You are once again ridiculous. Ridiculous. Durbin finally on the Save America Act. And then we'll get to the great Buck Sexton. We've got 40 or 50 House Republicans right now, 40 or 50 houses, House Republicans who are refusing to take up any Senate legislation until the Save America act is passed. Here's Brandon Gill this weekend revealing this fascinating piece of information. Watch.
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Thank you. Thank you, Vince, for letting me come on and tell everybody about this fabulous New York Times bestseller, which I hope that they will all get because it's actually a really good book. And unlike a lot of people in media, I wrote it. Like, I sat at a computer for countless hours after doing lots of research. I didn't pay some person to pretend to be me to write the book. And I think that this is something we should. We should normalize the writing of books when we actually day we've written them. And in this case, look, this comes out of a very straightforward question. Why are so many people going nuts? How are people believing all this crazy stuff? And I looked at the psychological, psychiatric, and even neurological roots of how you can abuse people's sense of reality to get them to believe what you want for the purposes of control, for the purposes of politics. I mean, so we're talking blm, Covid, climate change, men can be women, women can have penises, you name it. All this stuff, yeah, I get into in the book. Well, how does this happen? Like, no, but really, how does it happen? Where does it come from? Where does it start in the mind? What are the tactics they use? And I went to totalitarian societies which have done this more for more extreme ways and over a longer period of time than anywhere else in history, and looked at what they do. So this is basically a play by play of how to make people nuts so you can control them. As people are saying, wow, it's good to know this stuff.
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Why are people so resistant to breaking free? That's the. That's the big thing, you know, we always are talking about, like, well, how can we convince the holdouts, the people who are still believing that men can become women and vice versa, and who are convinced that they're guilty of something by virtue of their own skin color. Why is it that people. It's so difficult to break people free of these delusions?
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Well, for one thing, I think a lot of people prefer to be controlled. I think that that's something that we see. And this really even goes beyond the scope, I think, in some ways, of my book. But there's. We people who think that human freedom is a fundamental desire have a very hard time understanding. Well, hold on a second. What do you mean? You want to be told what to do? Why do you want to submit? But there is also. I don't know if it's an obedience gene. And like I said, this actually goes outside the scope of my book. But there are people quite clearly who don't want the responsibility of making decisions. They want to be told what to do. They want to be told what to, I mean, do is too much even. They want to be told what to think. But a manufacturing delusion, I get into. Well, how do you make someone so obedient that they won't really have to think very much for themselves? And it's not in vague, like general terms. I mean, I get into conditioning, Pavlovian conditioning. I get into something called menticide, which I explain in a whole chapter in the book, which is kind of destruction of the mind, and then thought reform, the rebuilding of the mind, as the Maoist Chinese did in a certain model, and then force phobia, something used in cults and using. And then identity construction used in radicalization processes. Isolation, the role of isolation, the role of false confession. I mean, all of these things I explained with a lot of history, by the way. So for your audience who just like to learn cool history, I mean, do you know where the idea for Stalin and Hitler's secret police came from? You gotta go back hundreds of years and you will learn that it actually comes from Ivan the Terrible in my book. I mean, there's so. There's a lot of really interesting stuff that I came across because I read about 20 books before I wrote the book. Just pure research. And I think that people will find that they'll learn a lot and they'll also be able to answer this question, Vince, if they buy manufacturing delusion, which I've been coached, I might add, because this is my first actual book that I've written because I wrote it, as I said. Did you have to say the name of the book, like every five seconds? I'm trying not to do it every five seconds. But. But in manufacturing delusion, people will pick up a lot of history and a lot of the sort of basic science of this stuff. But also, how is it possible that everyone during COVID Not everyone, but, you know, most people. A lot of people thought that masking up between bites on an airplane wasn't the craziest thing they had ever heard. How did you get airline attendants and airline executives to go along with. If you mask up in between the bites on the plane, you are protecting people around you. Pure obedience training. Pure Pavlovian conditioning. Pure mind control.
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Right? And getting everyone to ignore science in the pursuit of that ridiculousness. I mean, Even. Even when that first developed, when they first started forcing everybody to mask up on airplanes. I remember the early research on that. Buck instantly told us that that was horseshit because they were like, you know, that airplanes have, like, the best filtration systems imaginable. There's no way anybody's getting sick, even sitting somebody with COVID And it didn't matter. Every. Everybody was forced into this, like, bizarro struggle session anyway, to the point that people were being arrested and dragged off of airplanes for not wearing masks.
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Did you ever see that, by the way? I was on a plane where that happened, where people didn't ma. They wasn't. They were refusing to mask, but that they. They, like, had pulled them down too often for the. The Stalinist prison guard, airline attendants liking. And she was like, that's it. You're done. And they. They pulled them off, and they dragged them off the plane, too. It was two young women. They dragged them off the plane, the whole thing. So, yeah, I mean, and this is the stuff that was going on. And people. I just want to be so clear, because I know some people. I actually think the COVID is almost too uncomfortable for people to go back and look. I think it's like a trauma that people don't want to revisit. You know, Covid. Books on Covid or what happened, by the way, generally do very poorly. I know this because initially I wanted to focus even more on just the psychology of what happened to Covid. My publisher, to their credit, they were like, no, like, you got to make this broad or bigger, you got to make this about politics today. So a manufacturing delusion. Covid is like. Is like less than 5% of the book. It's a tiny little, little part of the book where I get into this stuff. But I also started to see it more and more in other things as well. I mean, the whole notion, for example, of land acknowledgments. You know, one of the ways that they break you down is to get you to confess, but not just to confess, but false confession, as in you have to admit to doing something wrong that you didn't do and you did nothing. But this is important because it undermines your sense of self. There's actually a reason why false confession existed in. In the most prominent ways. The Soviet Union, Maoist China, and now college campuses, and now land acknowledgments at city council meetings. They make you do this for reasons. They make you do this. It is a mechanism of control.
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Yes. It conditions you to surrender.
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Yeah.
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So did you find. I think a lot of people first became familiar with you. Now you have a wildly successful career in media, but people first became familiar with you oftentimes because you were called upon on cable television to comment on things that you had experienced in your own life or some expertise you had accrued as a CIA analyst. And did you find, as you wrote this book and you were thinking through these issues that you identified things in manufacturing delusion that you knew from the world of the CIA, like, in terms of the way people think and how they operate?
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Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. They're. First of all, thank you for knowing about the rise of the Buckster and how that all happened. I used to go on Fox News. I'll tell you a quick story. They. They had someone on. I won't say what show and I won't say, but it was a prime. It was one of the primetime shows a long time ago, and they had invited me on because I am young looking like you, by the way. You are ageless. What is your regimen? How does your. Does your audience you. Are you selling skincare products?
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No, I'm holding out on the audience. My. I have an amazing skincare regimen. Yeah, no, that's the key.
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There's something going on here, buddy. You have not aged a day. I've known you over a decade. Okay, back to. But so they had me, and I was. I swear I was going to be on a youth panel. That's what they. It was like at the end of the show, and it was like, justin Bieber, shirtless, has been arrested. Like, what do you think? And I'd be like, hey, I'm like, hip and young. And I was sitting there and I was like, hey, the top of the show, you guys were just talking about a counterterrorism, a specific counterterrorism unit that operates with the nypd, but also the FBI and even has contact with the CIA. I was like, I was in that unit. Like, I was in the unit. Do you want me to talk about it at some point? Like, I mean, you could have the. The lawyer from, you know, the foundation for, you know, rights of the Constitution or whatever. You could have this guy talk about it. But I was actually in the unit doing this stuff. And they were like, really?
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And I was like, really?
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Sure enough, they had me back to their credit. And that was sort of the beginning of. Of me doing more.
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That stuff.
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Yeah, I mean, I was in the CIA 2005. 2011 or 2000. Yeah, 2005. 20. Yes. Sorry, I'm Trying to make sure I don't get my resume wrong. And the. The years that I was there mostly was counterterrorism center. I spent a year at the NYPD Intelligence division doing a rotation. The CIA basically set it up so I could go and help out there while still keeping my clearances active and everything else back at Langley. So one thing that I do get into in the book, but first of all, I had to clear it. I had to really clear the book because I talk about some CIA stuff,
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and I was surprised.
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Like, they let me. I can say it now. They let me. My first CIA mission, which is like the opening of the book, was to Nigeria. And you're like, buck, why would you be going to Nigeria? 20. This is 20 years ago. And it was because I had in my deep reading in my cubicle come across some early reporting that there's some really bad stuff happening in Nigeria and that there were some very ominous efforts, including from, like, Al Qaeda.
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Yep.
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To start to set up the beginnings of radicalization centers, identity construction, as I call it in the book. But basically radicalization, you know, using external money and external resources. And there was huge fighting over this because there always is in the government. And so they're like, you know what? Send the kid. Which is me. Like, send the kid. He'll, like, he'll bounce around there. It was like a training mission. They were like, yeah, you know, it was very back of hand, like, nonchalant. No one, really. And I got there, and I actually linked up with a very seasoned team of people. Yes, I can say about it, who ended up taking me all over the country and. And, like, figuring out the origins of Boko Haram. Like, I was there. I came back and I'm like, yeah, I think we got a real problem here, guys. By the way, of course, the government was like, ah, shut up. We're trying to find bin Laden. Like, go. Go back to West Africa, kid. No one cares.
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You know, by the way, when you arrive in Nigeria, everybody inspired instantly knew you were CIA. I just want to be clear. There's no.
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There was no blood.
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This is what. Like, that guy's not blending in. I'm.
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I'm there. I mean, in the book, it makes it very clear, like, I'm not. I'm obviously not like, undercover in the sense, you know, people. You know, people are like. They're like, who is this guy? Like, what government? All it is is, what government agency does this kid who's like 24 work for? Like, you know, it's not obvious.
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Right. So.
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And I wasn't. I wasn't trying to blend it. It was actually trying. The government there, actually, to the government's credit, was like, hey, I think we might have a problem here. Like, can you come take a look at. It wasn't. You know, it wasn't in this context of, like, I'm sneaking in with, like, a mustache and whatever. And so my point, though, is that in the. In the earliest days, in a manufacturing delusion, which I'm telling, you know what, the number one thing I get about the book is, Vince? People go, it's actually. It's actually really good. And I mean, on the one hand. On the one hand, I'm really happy to hear that. On the other hand, I'm like, You know, because I'm like a radio guy. I can't get. It's actually a really good book. It's really interesting. There's real research, there's real stories. But, yeah, so the CIA cleared the book, and so I could talk about Nigeria, talk about Iraq. I talk about Afghanistan, too. Some of my work in Iraq was, again, on the analytics side. But I got out and did, you know, when I went outside the wire and did meetings and things like that, too, because people forget, like, when you're in a war zone and you're not at Langley, you're not, like, under the thumb of all of the managerial class. You show up in a war zone and you're, like, in some house and there's sandbags around it, and there are some, you know, Kurdish guys with PKM who are, like, all that separating you from the next suicide bomber.
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Yeah.
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If you say, like, hey, I'll go do this. Like, let's go. That's what happens. It's very different. It's not like, oh, are you. You know, it's like, you have a gun. You've been trained. Let's go.
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Right.
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So there was opportunity to do things like that. Anyway, back to what I saw. So the suicide bomber pipeline in, and this is part of one of the chapters as well, bringing people, usually, that enter Syria and then come into Iraq from the Syria, Iraq border. But I mean, how do you convince people from some country, I mean, whether it's Chechnya or it's Birmingham in the uk, I mean, you know, or the US or wherever. How do you convince people to show up in a foreign country, strap a suicide vest on and blow up random people they've never met before they know nothing about?
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Yes.
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Tactics of mind control I get into. In the book,
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it's Amazing. And, and, but the difference, it seems, is with radical Islam, at least there's some sort of like, distorted picture of eternity that's built into it. Like, this is like to serve some higher power or whatever. But what is this on, like the American left? Like, what are they working for? Like, this radicalization pipeline? How is it that they become like, we have Buck, you know, this. We have an assassination culture on the American left. We've talked about it pretty extensively that. Remember Rutgers University did this survey. Up to 50% of the left thinks it would be totally legitimate for Donald Trump to be assassinated. And nearly as many think that Elon Musk deserves to be assassinated, or at least did when he was working closely with President Trump. There's something deeply wrong here. Those are crazy levels of radicalization and they have nothing to do with. I'm doing this for God.
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Well, this is an excellent series of observations and a tee up for what I wanted to say, which is that in manufacturing delusion, as you know, Vince, when you go to publish a book, it's about a year turnaround from submission of the manuscript to hard copy airports. And my only regret with this book really is that just based on the world around us, I went to press. I mean, I would have had to add chapters if I could have. I couldn't, obviously, but I went to press. This, this happened, or rather I handed it in before all the trans. You know, mass shootings that we've seen.
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Yes.
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You know, before the, A lot of the hardcore ideological violence of the left, the assassination attempts on Trump. I mean, really like these. I had already.
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The assassination of Charlie.
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Yeah, all of Charlie. Yeah, all of these things occurred after I had handed in the manuscript because that's just the timing of books. So now one, on the one hand, like, I kind of want to revisit this already, which is insane for somebody who just went through the whole book process and whatever. Like, I want to add to it because I feel like one of the primary theses of the book is that this completely degrades a society and that in manufacturing delusion, these delusions allow very bad people to achieve power. And it is intentional and there are steps, there are things that they are doing. I mean, I get into weaponized law. And I mean, a form of weaponized law is lawlessness from the people who are supposed to enforce the law, like prosecutors. Right. I mean, these are things that destroy the society all around you. But we've started to see just how far, for example, the radicalization of. From the trans ideology can go. Where we now we have trans. Multiple cases of mass murdering trans terrorists or trans. Motivated, you know, trans ideology motivated terrorists. And I mean, that just shows you that people are willing to murder for these delusions, which of course is also the case in the worst totalitarian dictatorships. But people within a free Western society like America are willing to murder for these delusions, which is why I think the book is so important for people to see.
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Yes, and. And I think the big theological point is that they make themselves God, that they can control everything, and anybody who gets in their way deserves to die. So the. Okay, so because you're so talented at promoting the book, you followed the advice very well. We started on that topic. But I do want to ask you a little bit about Iran, given just the very short time we have left.
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Yeah, of course.
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So. So this weekend we saw that we bombed Kharg Island. This is a key oil island for the Iranians. But wisely, I would say, and I'll get to get your assessment of this, President Trump went out of his way to say we didn't bomb the oil infrastructure. All works, all we're blowing up is the military. We're blowing up every military target we can. But we're taking pains not to destroy the oil infrastructure because we want the Iranian people to thrive. We want the oil operations to work there. What do you make of this strategy that the administration's using right now?
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Look, it's. It's the right move for them to make it clear that they're not trying to destroy the oil infrastructure. Because if you do that, you are massively punishing the civilian population because, I don't know, 60, 70% of the Iranian economy, effectively something like that is just the oil. And if you're talking about hard currency denominated in dollars, et cetera, Iran is an oil economy, as everybody knows. And you can't destroy that infrastructure and not create mass shortages. Much worse. Basically, no bread on the shelves, no. No olive oil in the store. So they recognize that. So that's good. But here's where I am on this, on this whole campaign so far. And it's been. I'm very sympathetic to the initial impulse of we can't allow the Iranians to continue to just play. The Iranians are never going to negotiate away their nuclear program. That's obvious, I think, to anybody who's being serious about this. So given that reality, what can you do? Well, you can. You can try to get more leverage, and destroying their entire military infrastructure gives you more leverage. The other piece of this, though, which is the regime change aspect, which I know for a lot of people it's like dirty. A dirty phrase or dirty words. There is no opposition there, and we would know. So this is where the Trump administration's in a tough spot because we're not going to do boots on the ground. That is a red line. Trump will not cross it, in my opinion. None of his advisors will cross it. Pete Hegseth, who was a Gwot guy himself in Baghdad, he's not going to do that. So you have that. I think there are limitations that everyone should just expect to self. Sort of self created in the moment. Arab Spring style, this case, Persian Spring style opposition, it's just not there. We would see it. The Kurds are not an option. I saw that reporting about it. We went through this in Iraq. The Kurds are great at controlling Kurdish areas. The Kurds are very valuable allies and fighters. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for the Kurdish people. Yes, but they're not going to be administering.
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So what do you predict? That we'll see Tehran be run by kind of a crippled mall of force going forward?
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Yeah. Trump's going to declare victory within the next couple of weeks and say we destroyed their whole military. There'll be some. We'll offer to them to have some continuation of negotiation in the future, but there is no. And I'm sad about this, I'm sad for the Iranian people, but there's no, you know, lighting the. Lighting the mullahs posters on fire in Tehran and saying we're going to have elections in six months or a year or something. That's not happening.
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I saw the reports that we're sending the 31st MU to the area. So a MU is a Marine Expeditionary Unit, big ship, that amphibious, that carries about 2,000 Marines. And I called my dad yesterday. My dad's a retired Marine general. He was one of the top logistics officers for A mu. And I said, what? You know, the media are just reporting this, like, we're gonna have some big Marine invasion. Like we're sending 2,000 Marines in. They're just gonna invade the island. Boots on the ground. Like, are there. I assume there's a lot of other things a MU would do, right? And he goes, yeah, no, there's a lot of. There's a lot of missions. In fact, if I'm centcom, I want a MEW in the area. I want. I want the Marines there. And then there could be a million reasons. Like, for instance, if things go south and you need a quick reaction Force to rescue people who are in a desperate situation. You want Marines on standby if you need to. If you need to interdict a ship or something, you want Marines who can fast rope onto it. I mean, there are going to be scenarios where you want Marines in the area. And so I'm asking about this, and I think it goes back to the point you just made, Buck, which is like, I'm not anticipating some sort of ground invasion. And in fact, anytime anybody at the White House is asked about this, they like, instantly try and get you off of that. They're like, no, that is not what's going on here.
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Then it would fracture the MAGA coalition. Honestly, it really. A ground invasion would. This will not. In my opinion, people that are freaking out about this, I think they're going too far. I think that Iran is a problem state that we needed to do something to change the game with.
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Yep.
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But that we're not gonna land. We're not landing a mew to try to take the streets of Isfahan. That's not happening.
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Let me get your reaction to one more piece of breaking news and then I'll let you go here, Buck. This came out this morning and I love it. And I love that you probably haven't seen it yet, although you probably have, but we'll see. Guys, can you take me full screen? This is the New York Post this morning. You ready for this? This is a hilarious piece on Iran. Trump briefed that Iran's new supreme Leader, Mashtaba Khamenei, is probably gay. And the President has a priceless reaction. This is Stephen Nelson at the New York Post this morning. President Trump was stunned to learn last week that US Intelligence indicates that new Iranian Supreme Leader Mashtaba Khamenei may be gay and that his father, the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, feared his suitability to rule the Islamic Republic. For that reason, the Trump couldn't contain his surprise and laughed out loud when he was briefed on the intel, according to sources. Others in the room also found it hilarious and joined the President's reaction. While one senior intelligence official has, quote, not stopped laughing about it for days, said one person familiar with the brief with the briefing. The shocking claim described in the New York Post by two intelligence community officials and a third person close to the White House. All three sources saying the implausible allegation is viewed as credible by US Spy agencies rather than false information intended to undermine Khamenei. So. So here's the. I guess the big takeaway. This Morning Bucks accident. And I need you to react to this in. As a. In a very sensitive to LGBTQ issues as possible way. Apparently, Trump has been laughing his ass off for a week. That. That. That a gay guy may have just taken over as the Supreme Leader in Iran. Your thoughts?
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Wow. No, I actually hadn't seen. I feel like Trump, but he's like, no, no, I hadn't seen.
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Telling me for the first time.
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First time. That's, you know, it. The crazy world we live in, you don't know what to expect. And I am not surprised at all that Trump finds that very amusing. And I would just say that anything that can undermine the Iranian leadership in the eyes of their own people is probably very useful. And so true. Untrue. Who knows? If this story gets out there and catches on, it's going to be a problem for the Muslim clerics that want to continue to be running that country. But more of that kind of analysis. Manufacturing Delusion, my fine book that I highly recommend. You like that pivot to get me off the hot seat. Incredible. Incredible. Naughty man.
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I'm sorry. I couldn't help it. They said, by the way, that one of the reasons they know he's gay is because while he's recovering from his devastating injuries, he's apparently completely disfigured. He's been hitting on all of the male nurses.
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That really in there, or you just make this up?
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I'm not.
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I'm not making that up. Are you telling me that Mojtaba likes scented candles? I mean, like, what's going on here?
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It's. It's. Dude, it's. This is real stuff, man. The New York Post reported that. It's got to be real, actually. Stephen's a great reporter. Stephen Nelson's a legitimately great reporter. So this is. This is probably all totally authentic. Anyway, you're a great guy. You've got a great book. The book is Manufacturing Delusion. Thank you, Buck, for doing this today.
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Hang on. The Vince podcast. Anytime. This is fun. Your people. Your people are making a good choice by hanging out with you. I like it.
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Thanks, man. Good to see you today, brother.
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Thank you.
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It's. I. Look, I'm just telling you what the news tells me. That's all. That's all. That's it. I'll. I've got the big national radio show today. We're going to do that a little bit more. We'll have more coverage of what exactly is going on with Iran. President Trump's efforts to stabilize oil prices. He's doing everything's pulling out, all the stops. We've got the details on that today. You can join us there. Just go to your radio affiliates. The Vince Show.com we got hundreds of them all across the country. And if you'd like to watch us live, you can do that on rumble. Rumble.com Vince we start the video version of the show at 1pm it runs from 12 to 3 Eastern, the radio show, but it starts on video at 1pm Eastern. Rumble.com Vince Dan Bongino show today is hosted by the great Sean Farish, who I know is in studio in Florida right now. He's all ready to go. That's rumble.combongino 10am Eastern. And Haley Caronia. Haley with two Y's. Why? Because she's awesome. That's rumble.com Haley she's live at noon Eastern on Rumble. So many great options, so many great patriots, and you're just great. You're the best audience anywhere. Thank you. I'll be back with you tomorrow.