Domestic Terrorism Is Spreading, And Fast | Episode 140

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Domestic Terrorism Is Spreading, And Fast"

VINCE with Vince Coglianese | Cumulus Podcast Network | Episode 140 | October 6, 2025

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Episode Overview

Vince Coglianese tackles the alarming rise of domestic terrorism in U.S. cities, focusing on recent organized attacks against ICE officers in Chicago and the escalating violence carried out by Antifa groups in Portland. He breaks down how city and state officials, notably in Democrat-controlled areas, are responding (or failing to respond) to this chaos. The episode features an in-depth interview with journalist and Antifa expert Andy Ngo, and concludes by examining a shocking case of violent rhetoric from a Democratic candidate for Virginia Attorney General.

Main Theme:
Domestic terrorism—particularly violent, coordinated actions by left-wing groups against federal law enforcement—is intensifying, with local government response often hamstrung by political agendas and stand-down orders. Vince argues this pattern is setting a dangerous precedent and fueling internal strife reminiscent of America's Civil War era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Attacks on ICE in Chicago

• DHS reports a "1,000% increase in assaults" on ICE officers.
• Incident (Saturday, ~1:19pm ET): During routine patrol in Broadview, Chicago, ICE officers were rammed and boxed in by 10 vehicles. One perpetrator, previously doxxing agents and calling for violence online, was armed. Shots were fired; perpetrator fled and sought hospital care.
• Chicago Police Department (CPD) issued a stand-down order—radio transmissions confirm CPD officers were told not to assist (“disregard the attack on ICE”).

  [06:11] “Those are the orders we are being given […] disregard that 39th Place in Kedzie.”

• ICE/Border Patrol agents surrounded—no backup from city police, leading to chaos and lawlessness on the scene.
• Commentators, including Stephen Miller, label the incident a "seditious insurrection."

2. Political Response: City, State, Federal

• Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker: Downplays severity, questions DHS/ICE narratives, refers to agents as racists, and criticizes federal law enforcement actions.

  [11:56] “They need to get out of Chicago. If they’re not going to focus on the worst of the worst, which is what the President said they were going to do, they need to get the heck out.”

• Vince’s take: “This is as effective as a full-blown endorsement of terror against ICE by a city and state that is run by Democrats.” [13:10]
• National Guard Mobilization: President Trump attempts to send Texas National Guard to Chicago; hampered not just by city/state resistance but also by federal judiciary rulings.

3. Federal Judiciary Interventions

• Judge Karen Immergut (Trump appointee) issues a temporary restraining order blocking the Trump administration from deploying National Guard in Portland, claiming the “protests were small and uneventful.”
• Vince: “What footage is this idiot watching? […] Is this mostly peaceful? Is this uneventful?” [13:59–15:07]

4. Antifa Violence and Organization

• Portland and Chicago: On-the-ground violence against ICE and federal property.
• “Antifa is not just an idea”—well-funded, organized, with legal defense structures and ties to professional/affluent individuals (e.g., children of politicians and lawyers).
• Mark Bray, author of "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook" and prominent organizational supporter, announces he is fleeing to Europe amid Trump’s crackdown.

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Interview: Andy Ngo on Antifa’s Tactics & Impact

[31:10–49:59]

Organization & Tactics in Portland

• Riots and attacks around Portland’s ICE facility are not spontaneous:

  [31:24] Andy Ngo: "These are not spontaneous. They have been happening since June and there's an organized element to it."

• “Encampments” near facilities act as staging grounds stocked with riot supplies, food, legal aid (via the National Lawyers Guild), and safe houses for suspects.
• Antifa uses vulnerable populations—homeless and teenagers—as “body shields” and for plausible deniability in criminal acts.

Police Stand-Down & Selective Law Enforcement

• Several cases where police refuse to arrest masked Antifa agitators but target media or counter-protesters instead.
• [35:53] Example: Katie Daviscourt (journalist) assaulted; police refuse to pursue perpetrator who disappears into Antifa encampment.
• [37:23] Example: Nick Sortor (journalist) arrested after seeking protection with police while being pursued by the mob; contrast with non-action against masked rioters.
• Police leadership described as “weak, partisan, and cowardly,” “afraid to go after Antifa.”

Socioeconomic Makeup of Antifa

• Not just “riff-raff”—includes “children of many Democrats who are in elected office,” professionals, and the upper middle class.
• Upper class university pipeline to radicalism is driving much of the organized militant activism.
• [43:06] Andy Ngo: “There's a pattern of…upper-class children raised in Democrat families to radicalism at university, to then violent militancy during university or after.”

On Mark Bray & International Antifa Funding

• Mark Bray, Rutgers professor, financially supports international Antifa.
• Bray is reportedly “fleeing” ahead of a potential federal terrorism designation and crackdown:

  [45:21] "Mr. Bray is saying that he's fleeing the US because of death threats and doxing. I think that's a pretext for something more serious."

• U.S. intelligence is investigating international ties for a possible FTO (Foreign Terrorist Organization) designation.

How Antifa Responds to Being Declared Terrorists

• Some Antifa groups are deleting social media histories, going underground, or instructing activists to use encrypted comms and burner phones.
• Greater caution and signs of “nervousness” as federal prosecution looms.

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Virginia Attorney General Candidate J. Jones Advocates Political Violence

[50:11–56:39]

• National Review exposes Democratic AG nominee J. Jones for fantasizing about shooting Republican Speaker Todd Gilbert and wishing “pain” on Gilbert’s children:

  [52:00] “He receives both bullets every time.”
  [52:38] “Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy… do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil…? Yes.”

• Texts confirmed by Jones; has not lost party endorsement.
• Winsome Sears (Republican nominee) releases devastating ad highlighting these messages, demanding accountability and Jones’ withdrawal.
• Mainstream television (e.g., Morning Joe) acknowledges likelihood of Jones needing to exit the race.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [07:20] Vince: “Disregard the attack on ICE. Do not respond to it. That’s insane. What you’re listening to is utter lawlessness.”
• [13:10] Vince: “What you are witnessing is the beginnings of a civil war. When you endorse violence against your political opponents… you’re endorsing civil war in the United States.”
• [22:04] Vince: “You get Antifa members like Tim Kaine’s son… you get lawyers in New York throwing Molotov cocktails at cops… These are not poor, desperate people. Oftentimes they’re like the children of orthodontists running around attacking officers.”
• [35:53] Andy Ngo: “Immediately all the other Antifa… use these umbrellas to hide that person. It’s been allowed to operate now for months nearby the ICE facility.”
• [49:59] Andy Ngo: “At first I didn’t think that they would actually be scared… In the past week or so, many of the high-profile accounts have begun deleting themselves completely off Twitter… there's a suggestion there of engaging in criminality or doing whatever means are necessary to protect Antifa.”
• [52:50] J. Jones: “Gilbert gets two bullets to the head… Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy.”
• [54:55] Winsome Sears ad: “How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific, so callously?”

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• [05:56–06:35]: CPD stand-down order radio transmission
• [08:54]: Kristi Noem lays out organized bounties on ICE officers
• [13:10–15:07]: Vince on the “beginnings of civil war” and Chicago’s official response
• [31:10–49:59]: Andy Ngo interview: Antifa tactics, police response, organization, and impact of federal crackdown
• [50:11–56:39]: The Virginia AG scandal—violent rhetoric, party reaction, campaign consequences

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a forceful critique of how domestic terrorism, particularly on the left, is growing more organized and emboldened, while urban politicians and some federal judges are depicted as complicit or obstructive. Vince characterizes the situation as a “neo-Confederate” rejection of federal authority and law enforcement, likening the political climate to a brewing civil conflict. Through eyewitness accounts, expert interviews, and primary source commentary, listeners receive an in-depth portrait of the crisis, its roots, and the political battle lines being drawn around it.

Transcript

[A]

Hey everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Monday. It is so great to have you with us, the best audience anywhere. We've got a massive show for you. This show is brought to you by Blackout Coffee, the official coffee of all of us here at silverlock. Go to blackoutcoffee.com Vince. Use the code Vince. That's V I N C E. And you'll get 20% off your first order. And the first order of business today is to tell you all about what's happening on the program. We've got attacks on ice in Chicago. We've got the President of the United States mobilizing the National Guard to try and help out the people of both Chicago as well as Portland, Oregon. We've got a judge trying to get in the way of the President's rescue. And we have an Attorney General candidate in the Commonwealth of Virginia who believes that the only way to deal with Republicans is to, in his words, put two bullets into their heads. That guy wants to be the Attorney General of an entire state. Oh yes, indeed. We explore that. Also joining us today, Andy Ngo. You want an expert on antifa. We we've got one. It's all ahead on this edition of. Vince, it is great to have you with us. I hope you had a great weekend. I did for sure. Spent it with the family. It was wonderful. It was really great. And again, it's so good to be here with you guys. Hey, I know there are a lot of choices out there when it comes to who you choose for your cell phone service and there are new ones that pop up all the time. But here's the truth. There's just one that boldly stands in the gap for every American that believes that freedom is worth fighting for. And that is Patriot Mobile. You see, for more than 12 years now, Patriot Mobile has been on the front lines fighting for our God given rights and freedoms while also providing exceptional nationwide cell phone service with access to all three of the main networks. Now don't just take my word for it. I love Patriot Mobile. 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This was Saturday afternoon around 1:19pm Eastern Time. And here's what she wrote on X. She said this morning during routine patrolling in Broadview in the same area of Chicago that law enforcement were assaulted yesterday. Our brave law enforcement officers were rammed. Rammed by vehicles and boxed in by 10 cars. Agents were unable to move their vehicles and exited the car. One of the drivers who rammed the law enforcement vehicle was armed with a semi automatic weapon, says Trisha. Law enforcement was forced to deploy their weapons and fired defensive shots at an armed US Citizen who drove herself to the hospital to get care for wounds. The armed woman was named in a Customs and Border Protection intelligence bulletin last week for doxxing agents and posting online, quote, hey to all my gang, let's fuck those motherfuckers up. Don't let them take anyone. Oh. So she declared a threat against ice. Thankfully, no law enforcement officers were seriously injured in this attack. Says Tricia Pritzker's Chicago Police Department is leaving the shooting scene and refuses to assist us in securing the area. There's a growing crowd and we're deploying special operations to control the scene. This is an evolving situation and we will give more information as soon as it becomes available. All right, so what we have is an attack on ICE officers. Now you have multiple vehicles involved in a ramming attack on federal law enforcement to attack the Trump administration for merely doing its job. A woman who made a call to arms to her fellow lunatics that they need to attack ice. She, she conducted this terror attack and it required officers to fire their weapons at her. She was able to flee the scene and went to a hospital as a result of her injuries. This is crazy. And not only is it crazy, what you're witnessing is an insurrection. In fact, as Stephen Miller points out, this is what they call a seditious insurrection. This is domestic terrorism. End seditious insurrection, says Stephen Miller at the White House. And he's right about that. What else would you call this as now we're watching as armed lunatics are attacking federal officers for merely Enforcing the law. And what kind of support is ICE getting from Chicago? What are they getting from Illinois and the Chicago Police Department? I've got bad news for you. They're a part of an insurrection as well. Listen to this. The Chicago Police Department decided not to support the men and women of ICE and instead ordered their officers to stand down. Listen to the radio transmission as police officers are told not to respond to the scene to help out these desperate ICE agents. Take a look. Take a listen here. Cut one.

[B]

All right. And 999 just took him from 39th place in Kezi. They were saying that they were being surrounded by that large crowd and they were requesting. The police were not sending. I'm calling, waving off all the cars heading to 39th place in Ketsey.

[A]

Again.

[B]

Those are the orders we're being given. Okay, 10, 4. And again, for all the units that we called to go over that way, 39th place in Kedzi. If you could just hold off. 9, 11, 9 13, 9, 23, 924, 933, 934. Just disregard that. 39th place in Kezzi.

[A]

Those are the orders we are being given. Disregard the attack on ice. Do not respond to it. That's insane. What you're listening to is utter lawlessness. Utter lawlessness. Chicago cops told not to respond. And in case you're wondering, is that real? Is that confirmed? Are we misunderstanding that radio transmission? Bill Malusian at the Fox News Channel says the following. Multiple law enforcement sources have confirmed to him that Chicago police officers were instructed by their chief of patrol to not respond to Border Patrol agents call for help yesterday after they were reportedly surrounded by a large crowd of protesters following a ramming incident and shooting of an armed woman. Chicago Police Department cad screenshot below, and he includes the screenshot showing that they were surrounded. Look at this. This is crazy. For those of you who can see it, rumble.com Vince Caller is one. This is the person who called in. Caller is one of approximately 30 armed Border Patrol agents and they have in parentheses ICE who are being surrounded by a large crowd of people requesting Chicago Police Department and chief of patrol writes the following. No units will respond to this. No units will respond to this. They say this is madness, what you're watching. Absolute madness. And ladies and gentlemen, are there any Chicago police out there who are furious about this? Are there Chicago cops who wish that they had a safe city? Are there Chicago cops out there who want to do something about this? Please get in touch with me. Please get in touch with me. Let me know what the hell is happening inside of that Chicago Police Department? Because this is insanity, what we're witnessing. How is it that Chicago cops are being told you can't even respond, you can't even help out your fellow law enforcement officer when they're under attack? And they are under attack. Here's Kristi Noem this weekend explaining that the Department of Homeland Security has intelligence indicating that these terrorists are now organized and they're set on some very, very violent things against ICE officers. Cut to Kristi Noem, DHX Secretary, Intelligence.

[C]

Indicates that these people are organized. They're getting more and more people on their team as far as attacking officers. And they're making plans to ambush them and to kill them. We have specific officers and agents that have bounties that have been put out on their heads. It's been $2,000 to kidnap them, $10,000 to kill them. They've released their pictures, they've sent them between their networks. And it's an extremely dange dangerous situation and unprecedented. So we've put protective detail around those individuals, changed some of our operations to keep our officers safe. But make no mistake, this isn't just about, you know, protesting free speech or that they don't like that people out here are upholding the law of our country. They're actually going out there and saying, kill these people and we'll give you this much money to do it.

[A]

And the Chicago Police Department's being told not to help ICE officers as they're being attacked by these terrorists. Now, what is the Illinois governor saying about this? J.B. pritzker, the Democrat who has got a lot of money and apparently one day wants to be President of the United States. He is an absolute fat piece of garbage. And here he is this weekend, not responding with any compassion or kindness or urgency in terms of protecting ICE officers. Instead, he attacks DHS and refers to ICE as racists. Listen, here's cut three. J.B. pritzker, the governor of that state, Illinois.

[D]

What happens in these sorts of incidents is typically ICE puts out a press release before anybody else can speak with the press, and then it gets reported on social media and elsewhere. Remember, these are the same folks who killed a person, unarmed person, just a couple of weeks ago in Franklin Park. At first they said that the officer had been threatened with his life. The reality of it and the truth of it has now come out. And that wasn't the case. They killed somebody. So here it's really hard to know exactly what the facts are, and they won't let us access the facts. They are just putting out their propaganda and then we've got to later determine what actually happened.

[A]

Wait a second. They're not letting you have access to the facts. Your own cops didn't show up. JB Pritzker, you had the Chief of Police telling officers not to respond to the scene. You want to fact set, send the Chicago Police in, but they didn't. The City of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, the Chief of police there, J.B. pritzker, the Illinois Governor, they refused to have anybody on the ground. And then you have the temerity to sit on national television and tell the rest of us that you don't know what the facts are. So you're not sure whether or not there was actually a terror attack against ice. Screw you, you jackass. You should not be the Governor of that state. Nevertheless, the President of the United States, and he goes on, he demonizes these ICE agents again, who were just attacked, who've been the victims of a 1000% increase in assaults. Here he is demonizing them as a bunch of violent racists. Cut forward the Illinois Governor, unfortunately, let.

[D]

Me just say that the Secretary doesn't know what she's talking about. She frankly says that people are clapping. They're not. They're booing her on the street and they're booing ICE and cbp. They're marching. The CBP marching on a beautiful Sunday in Michigan Avenue in downtown Chicago. They're raiding neighborhoods where instead of going after the bad guys, they're just picking up people who are brown and black and then checking their credentials. Are you a US Citizen? I don't know about you, but I don't carry around papers that say I'm a U.S. citizen. So you can imagine people are getting detained, they're getting arrested. U.S. citizens. And they did this, of course, when they raided a building in the middle of the night in South Shore. 130 people that were emptied out of this building, they were going after a few gang members and instead they broke windows, they broke down doors, they ransacked the place. And there were people that were held. I mean elderly people and children, zip tied elderly people held for three hours at a time. And they are the ones that are making it a war zone. They need to get out of Chicago. If they're not going to focus on the worst of the worst, which is what the President said they were going to do, they need to get the heck out.

[A]

Nonsense. They're zip tying children, this idiot. So, so this basically just a never ending string of lies designed to impugn ice. You heard him bury the truth in there. They were going after gangsters to make the city more safe. And JB Pritzker covers it up. So what are we dealing with here? Well, if you get a situation where ICE officers is subjected to terror attacks and then in the midst of those terror attacks, local police are given a stand down order not to intervene to protect ice, that is as effective as a full blown endorsement of terror against ICE by a city and state that is run by Democrats. Ladies and gentlemen, what you're witnessing is the beginnings of a civil war. When you endorse violence against your political opponents, who in this case are just trying to enforce the law, you're endorsing civil war in the United States. Do you understand how insane and destructive this is? It's completely out of control. And it's happening in America. It's happening now, unfortunately, in these major Democrat controlled cities. And this is not the only place it's going on. Now in terms of what is happening in Chicago here, there are calls now for the resignation of the Chicago police patrol chief, John Hein, after officers were ordered to abandon federal agents in the midst of that terror attack. Eric Daugherty covering this this weekend on X. That makes sense. If you're telling cops to stand down, then you shouldn't have this job. You're not interested in law enforcement. You're interested in chaos and in madness and destruction. So there's that. I've got some other elements here for you. We've got the Illinois governor downplaying all of this. And then so here's what the President is trying to do about it. The president is trying to send in law enforcement right now. And in fact, this weekend, President Trump announced that he's sending in 400 members of the Texas National Guard into Chicago, into Illinois to go in and to bring about a peace. Because again, what is the President supposed to do? He's not getting the support of the Chicago Police Department. It's not the fault of the rank and file police officers. It is the fault of the leadership in that department who's telling them that they're not allowed to do their jobs. And so the president trying to send in the National Guard into Chicago. But one of the problems he's running into right now is we have also lawless judges who are making determinations about the President's powers before the president even exercises those powers, before the National Guard's even deployed, trying to forestall the president from doing this job. All on Saturday, a federal judge came out and blocked President Trump from Sending the troops in to Portland, Oregon. A federal judge on Saturday, the Daily Caller reporting, stopped President Trump's plan to send the National Guard troops to Portland, ruling that this deployment would violate constitutional limits on military involvement in domestic law enforcement. U.S. district Judge Karen Immergut, a Trump nominee, another one of these disastrous nominees. I don't care that Donald Trump nominated this idiot. I care that they're acting in a lawless way, that they're trying to foreclose on the president's power to restore order to our country. Karen Immerget, a Trump nominee, issued a temporary restraining order blocking the administration from sending hundreds of troops to Portland, Oregon. The New York Post reported the judge found Trump's assessment of the situation didn't match reality. Quote, the president's determination was simply untethered to the facts, the judge wrote in her insane ruling. The judge said that the protest outside of a South Portland immigration facility remained mostly peaceful before Trump's order. Quote, Overall, the protests were small and uneventful. What footage is this idiot watching? Are you seeing what's happening in Portland right now? Check out what was happening over the weekend. Here's the feds tear gassing antifa just this very weekend in Portland on Saturday. Those of you watching on rumble.com Vince, you're watching as antifa militants are now being dragged into custody and they're acting like complete lunatics. Officers finally taking people into custody, trying to crack down on some of this chaos and violence happening outside of the ICE facilities. These guys are obstructing justice as they're trying to block ICE from doing its jobs, block people from being taken into the detention center to block deportations. And the federal law enforcement is just taking them into custody. Now you tell me, if you watch this, those of you who are watching the video, is this mostly peaceful? Is this uneventful? Is this small in your eyes? If this was happening in your neighborhood, would this not be the biggest story than you could possibly imagine? Of course it would be. This is chaos. Yeah. What kind of excitement does this judge have in her life if this is uneventful? You know what, what freaky stuff is she up to if this is considered a placid weekend in Portland? This is crazy. So that's just some of the footage there. And then we have, here's some more. Here's more of the feds arresting antifa militants in Portland and dragging them into custody. The upside is that this is satisfying to watch these guys finally taken into custody. Here, look, cut six. As some of these guys are pushed up against A wall, they're handcuffed. You get federal, federal officers taking them. One guy being lifted up by each of his limbs. He's in his stupid gas mask because he knows that they're going to fire tear gas at him because he knows that he's going to participate in a riot. You understand what they're doing. And they wear these goofy skater helmets when they show up. Have you noticed that these antifa people are basically pretty uniformly fat chicks and dweebs that show up to this thing. I mean, you've got to explore the psychology of what gets into these guys head, what motivates someone to try and introduce this disorder into society, to launch attacks on law enforcement officers, to try and shut down these legal operations. What could possibly do that? And it's not like these people are poor. I mean, you get antifa members like Tim Kaine's son in Virginia, who is an antifa guy. You get lawyers in New York throwing Molotov cocktails at cops. Members of antifa. These are not poor, desperate people. And oftentimes they're like the children of orthodontists who are running around attacking officers. What is that? Okay, so you have disorder in your own life that you're spiritually dissatisfied, so you need to impose disorder on the rest of us? Is that what this is? Maybe we can explore it more. Coming up with Andy Ngo on what's behind all of this. But the cops, to the extent that they can, are cracking down and they're not getting support from the locals. Not in Portland and not in Chicago. That seems to be the trend. More ahead on this edition of events. Hey, if there's something that all of us can believe in, it is hard work, self reliance and showing up for the people who count on us. But you see, a while back, I hit a wall. I was getting terrible sleep and then I dragged myself through the next day on fumes. I knew I had to find something to break me free of that cycle. And that's when I found Beam's dream Powder. Beam is proudly founded in America and it's run by people who share our values, hard work, integrity and delivering results. 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What do I mean by that? Well, the Confederacy rejected the supremacy of the federal government during the American Civil War in the service of maintaining slavery, this awful, awful treatment of human beings. And the feds stepped in the United States Constitution. We've got a supremacy clause which is that the federal government does have ultimate authority over the United States of America and the left, uniformly throughout our history. Democrats throughout our history have attempted to reject that. From the original Civil War to the new one that they're fermenting in our country in this century. These are neo confederates. That's true. J.B. pritzker is a neo Confederate. What you're seeing in Oregon, Tina Kotek, the governor there who looks like Keith Olbermann, a neo confederate. The Democrat mayors who run these cities now, neo confederates. These are people who are rejecting law and order. They're rejecting the authority of the federal government. They're creating crisis and chaos inside of their cities, hurting human beings in the process. And the rest of us would desperately like to keep the Union together and to restore safety in American cities. And so the president's doing what he can to put this down right now to stop this. And that includes deploying National Guard troops to places like Portland, Oregon and Chicago. I was just telling you about this crazy judge who tried to block him from deploying troops to Portland. That same judge again on Sunday night once again tried to block the Trump administration from deploying hundreds of out of state National Guard troops to Oregon. The president is turning to the Texas National Guard to help him. He originally was trying to use California's National Guard. But this judge keeps getting in the way. Keeps getting in the way. And I think what needs to happen here is the Justice Department very rapidly needs to come to a conclusion about whether or not these judges orders can be considered in any way legitimate? Do they carry the force of law? Are they legitimate Orders from this federal judge or is this judge being lawless? Render a judgment and move. Move. Because these cities need to be cleaned up. Now, let me see. I'm tempted to move into what's going on in Virginia because there's some big. Actually, I'll tell you what, I'll give you one more delicious video of a Portland rioter being carted off. Literally carted off. Cut seven. Here's a Portland rider being taken into custody on a flatbed. It's like a Home Depot flatbed hand truck. They're moving. Look at this. They got the rioter laying flat on his face. ICE shared this this weekend. Look how miserable he is as they're taking him away. I gotta say, that's a pretty nice way to move. Is he drooling? I think there's drool dripping out of his face as they drag him away on one of these flatbeds like a bag of mulch at Home Depot. So there he goes. Goodbye. Yeah, the musicy. You mean the. From the original video on, On. On the ICE thing? I set that to music. It was a. It was. It was really good. That's really funny. Anyway, so they're dragging around all the idiots. I'll tell you what, we'll get to Virginia in a moment because I want to set up for Andy Ngo here in a second. But before I get to Andy Ngo, one more thing on Antifa for you. So we're watching as Antifa is leading attacks in Portland. You're watching all these attacks on the Broadview, Illinois ICE facility in Chicago. The left right now is trying to make excuses for Antifa, pretending like it's not organized at all. There's nothing to go after. These are not terrorists. That Antifa is just an idea. That's the way the left represents this, which is not the way they've talked about it in the past. This is how Orwellian they are. They've admitted that Antifa, people like Chuck Todd have admitted that Antifa is a far left, far left organized operation designed to sow chaos in the United States, which is, of course, what they're doing. And the guy who wrote the book on the subject is a fellow called Mark Bray. He wrote a handbook for Antifa. And here it is. Here's a photo. Guy, can you put this up on screen for us? This is Antifa, the anti fascist handbook written by Mark Bray. There it is. And it's in the hands. If you're watching rumble.com, vince. It's in the hands of Keith Ellison, former Democrat Congressman, currently the Democrat Attorney General of the state of Minnesota. It's Antifa, the Anti Fascist handbook, authored by Mark Bray. Now here's the update that we have on Mark Bray, and I'll dive into it more with Andy Ngo here in just a moment. But Mark Bray, the author of that book, is a financier of antifa internationally, meaning he gives money to these operations. He has announced. Now Andy reports that he is fleeing the United States of America and headed to Europe in the midst of President Trump's crackdown on antifa. And in the process, he is calling for more violence by antifa. Look at this post on Truth Social. He says it's true that sometimes the law holds back Trump and affords us some semblance of safety. But the more we lean into the law as our shield, the more powerful will become as a sword when Trump changes it in his favor and wields it against us. Only mass anti fascism, legal or not, can save us now. That or not is doing all of the work of this post when he says or not, what this dude is calling for is rampant lawlessness, rampant attacks on places like ice. This is a call to arms by the guy who wrote the book on antifa, the handbook on Antifa. For more on what this organization is doing and what to expect next, we'll be joined in just a moment by the reporter who covers it so well. Andy. 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Joining me right now to talk about all of this violence that we're seeing all across our country and what animates it is Andy Ngo. You can find him on X. Mr. Andy Ngo. He's a senior editor at the Post. Millennial. He's a New York Times bestselling journalist. He's the author of the book Unmasked. And his substack is called no Comment Ngo. Comment. Andy, good to have you with us. Today, sir.

[E]

Thank you for having me on.

[A]

Okay, so we're witnessing these attacks in particular in Portland and in Chicago. The left is saying that these are small and non existent. What do you say?

[E]

So I'm most familiar with the organized aspect of the violence in Portland because that's where I'm originally from. And what I can tell you is that these are not spontaneous. They have been happening since June and there's an organized element to it. If you or any of your viewers and listeners are in the Portland area, you can go outside the ICE facility and you can see the encampment that's been set out in Portland. And these are like where riot supplies are provided. They know one another and individuals there have particularly different roles. Some of them are part of the NLG National Lawyers Guild, which is a far left antifa legal group that provides bail money and legal aid to riot suspects and terror suspects. On the far left there are others who provide things like food. And I've been looking through the lawsuit that was filed by the state of Oregon, the city of Portland, against President Trump and the US Government to block them from sending National Guard to protect federal property. And they included a lot of evidence that wasn't actually helpful to their own claim that Portland has control over these areas. And some of the exhibits in this huge lawsuit, there's hundreds of pages include disturbing testimony from law enforcement, the Portland police, that the Antifa rioters have done things like grooming and pressuring homeless people to help them in rioting. And this is something that I saw back in 2020. It's actually very important to their tactics. So people, when they think of Antifa, they think of the black costumes and the black face coverings. Yes, that's a pretty good indicator usually if there's a group of them at these riots. But the role of human body shields is really important. So Antifa have to rely on the media and Democrats to act as their propagandists to agitate for Democrats and regular people to come out to these protests turn riots because then, you know, the cameras will capture what look like normal people being arrested at riots, when in fact the violent agitation is, is being caused by Antifa and back to the homeless thing. Back in 2020, I witnessed myself when the US Federal Courthouse in downtown was under siege for a month. What Antifa would do. And these were the black bloc militants, they would come with supplies of weapons like homemade explosive devices, which would usually be various types of fireworks that they would tape together. And when thrown and lit it would cause basically it would be a bomb, and it could cause severe injuries if this landed by an officer, for example. So they would give these out to other people, particularly homeless people or teenagers. Because if these people are prosecuted and convicted, it's of no consequence to the antifa cell or network. Right. Because then the homeless people have no idea who these people are that gave them the stuff. They may tell them, oh, go light this type of thing. We'll give you food or we'll give you a tent, some other things. So some of that was documented, this tactic was documented in the lawsuit that the state of Oregon filed to say that they actually have control of the area outside the ICE facility.

[A]

You told me a moment ago about an encampment that is near the ICE facility where Antifa is staging its operations. And it reminded me of the video of Katie Daviscourt, because Katie, the journalist from the Post Millennial, she was struck by one of these antifa rioters last week in the face and then solicited the help of a police officer who merely walked behind the attacker and then eventually gave up on even taking that attacker into custody. But the video ends and it. Fellas, if you could put this up on screen. I just have it on my laptop here. The video ends at this location. There's like a little tent where the antifa girl seems to walk into it and disappear into it. And Katie's left there just capturing video footage of it. Is that the encampment you're referring to, Andy? No.

[E]

Exactly. You see how that person disappears into it immediately. All the other antifa there's use these umbrellas to hide that person. And after that suspect went into the. The person put on some different clothing and then a group of them ushered that violent suspect to a nearby Antifa safe house, which has been allowed to operate now for months nearby the ICE facility. And there was a Portland police officer that was flagged down by my colleague and. And he simply let this person go. Didn't even bother to detain that person or to ask that individual to identify themselves. And the Portland police, the statement they put out the next day to the Oregonian, which is the liberal paper record in Portland, was that, well, those officers are not authorized for enforcement action. In other words, there was a stand on order. But just over the weekend, there's video that emerged of the same unit of Portland police officers. The one who are wearing the lighter, her uniform, the white uniform. Well, when a woman was driving on the road outside the ICE facility, she was told, quite aggressively by that unit of the Portland police that she could not drive on the road and if she did, she would be arrested. So it's just very curious that over and over we're seeing this pattern of what appears to be two tier policing.

[A]

So another part of that story of course is the arrest of Nick Sortor last week who was defending himself from the mob and then he sought the protection of the police, stood with the cops for somewhere in the vicinity, as he told me on Friday between six and seven minutes, standing alongside the police officers when a police sergeant then all of a sudden walks up and points at him and says, cuff him and they take Nick into custody. That of course has earned the ire of the Trump administration. And Harmony Dillon has now launched a full blown civil rights investigation into Portland as a result of all of that. Andy, what is going on with the Portland Police Department when you tell all these stories? It makes me think that they're compromised by antifa.

[E]

The Portland police is under the leadership of a man named Chief Bob Day, who before being pulled out of retirement to head the PBB ran a DEI business. That should tell you a lot. And he's been doing press conferences justifying the actions of how he's running his Portland police. He's saying, well, we were criticized by the left in 2020 and we're being criticized by the right now. I think that shows that we're in the middle and we're fair. No, it doesn't show that at all. What it shows is the Portland police for years now has a pattern of going after low hanging fruit. And by that I mean no effort in being is being taken to go after those who are engaged in organized criminal violence, like those who assault Katie, you know, because it would take more effort obviously to go after somebody who's embedded in a group who's hiding him or herself with various things to cover the face. Whereas like a law abiding citizen, like a Nick Sorter who would wait on the street, who's not covering his face, they just go up and arrest him. It's easier. So it's, you know, and I've been not arrested. I've been beaten several times by antifa, sometimes in very close proximity to the central police station or assaulted in view of other Portland police. And they made no arrest of any of the those violent extremists in their response for why they closed the cases in my multiple assault files is that, well, they couldn't identify anybody. How convenient.

[A]

Well, yeah, isn't that the point? They're covering their faces so they won't be identified in the commission of crimes. So have you heard from. Did Portland police officers ever like communicate with you on an independent level, Andy, and say I can't believe what's happening with my department. This is insanity. This is no way to treat an American citizen.

[E]

I have been reached out to by those who are recently retired and have had experience with Chief Bob Day because he's. Bob Day served in a leadership role in the Portland police for many years. Before that he retired back in 2019. And the description I'm getting is that he is a nice man but is a weak leader. And that is typically the pattern of those who lead the ppb. The Portland police chief serves under the appointment of the mayor and our current mayor now is Keith Wilson. Before that we had Ted Wheeler in Portland. He was the one who was there during the rise of Antifa during the first Trump administration and during the 2020 BLM Antifa rise that turned deadly. And I would describe all of that leadership as weak, impartisan and cowardly. And that's why the violent far left are so emboldened in Portland. They're protected by whole apparatus. You know, it's not just Portland police that's afraid to go after them. It's you have had, we've had prosecutors who have run cover literally for Antifa. I mean before the current one, during the 2020 riots, Mike Schmidt, as soon as he came into office in 2020, he, he literally announced a whole list of riot related crimes that he, that would no longer be criminalized under his leadership. We have a moderate prosecutor now, thank goodness. But I mean if Portland police aren't willing or aren't able to make arrests and the evidence shows up from what the state of Oregon submitted in their own lawsuit over and over, the Portland police kept saying, we don't have the resources to respond to this assault happening outside the ICE facility. We can't respond to clear the roads. Well then the prosecutor can't prosecute anybody because there's no arrest.

[A]

Let me talk to you a little bit more about how all of this violence gets organized. One, you point out that Antifa takes advantage of the mentally ill, of vagrants, of homeless people. But also one of the, the features that I've noticed through the years is that oftentimes people who say they're a part of antifa or we identify as part of antifa are oftentimes very well off. It's not like these are economically destitute people. I mean, Tim Kaine's son, sitting United States Senator, member of Antifa, a couple of lawyers up in New York who are throwing Molotov cocktails at police. You're watching this happen across the country. It looks like people of good economic means are a part of this organized terrorism. How does that happen, Andy? No, how is it that you see these people who come from, again, pretty well paying jobs, pretty high levels of society and they join this terror operation?

[E]

Yeah, there's actually the children of many Democrats who are in elected office who have been convicted for their roles in antifa violence. You mentioned Tim Kaine's son. That was, he was involved in an attack in Minnesota and was convicted during the first Trump administration. But more recently in the last few years, there was a trans adult child of the Democrat whip, Catherine Clark, who's a congresswoman in Massachusetts who was convicted in a sweetheart deal, bloodied an officer in an attack in Boston. So there's a pattern of that. You're right. That antifa's membership, you could say is quite diverse in that it will include the riff raff that you see in the mug shots that I posted during the 2020 riots. It also includes people who come from white collar backgrounds, professions that are high up, educated, those in academe, those from middle class families. I mean, in Georgia State there's still an ongoing domestic terrorism case involving over 60 suspects who are accused of carrying out a series of antifa motivated attacks on a first responder facility outside of Atlanta. And almost all of them came from out of state, some of them came from very wealthy backgrounds. And so I very often see this pipeline of upper class children raised in Democrat families to radicalism at university, to then violent militancy during university or after.

[A]

Okay. I shared just before our interview, something that you revealed, which is that the man who wrote the anti Fascist handbook, a guy by the name of Mark Bray, has announced that he is fleeing the United States of America. Do I have this right, that he's been a professor of some kind at Rutgers University and yet he's been trying to breathe life into this violence that we're seeing across our country?

[E]

Yes, you're talking about Mr. Mark Bray, who is currently an assistant professor in the history department at Rutgers. Before that he was a instructor at at Dartmouth. And he earned a very rare rebuke from the institution formally and publicly because he's very openly unapologetic in his advocacy of political violence for Antifa. And he wrote a propaganda book for Antifa called the Antifa Handbook. And it's been that book has been promoted by Keith Ellison and others. And in that book it says in the first few pages that proceeds from it would go to benefit the International Antifa defense fund. Now Mr. Bray is saying that he's fleeing the US because of death threats and doxing. I think that's a pretext for something more serious. Actually the statement that he released comes after the US Government through executive orders, announced that it would be treating Antifa as a domestic terror organization. But more crucially, I learned this through my own reporting. The U.S. intelligence community is looking at the international ties to Antifa so that the State Department can potentially label them formally a FTO foreign terror organization. And that would mean it would be subjected to all the anti terror legislation that existed in the post 911 world. And Mr. Bray on record is a funder of international antifa groups. So you know, how curious and how convenient that he's fleeing abroad at this time.

[A]

So it looks like he's a fugitive basically from justice. He's trying to flee. As the Trump administration cracks down on tifa, we'll see.

[E]

I mean, he hasn't been accused of any crimes yet. But the International Antifa Defense Fund, who he is a financier of, in his own words, in his own book, has recently announced that it's shutting down because of the, because of who's in power in the United States and that it would be moving its operations abroad. So you see very clearly there that they realize that they're potentially in the eyes for funding, funding terrorism not just in the United States, but internationally.

[A]

Okay, so finally, Andy, this kind of gets to my last question, which is how seriously do you think Antifa is taking President Trump's view that they are now considered a domestic terror organization? What impact are you seeing from them?

[E]

You know, at first I didn't think that they would actually be scared because they are represented and supported by many very well funded Antifa legal, legal groups and non profits. However, in the past week or so, many of the high profile accounts have begun deleting themselves completely off Twitter and therefore taking down like their history of all their posts, all their docs, all that's been taken down on X, several prominent accounts. And there are those who are saying things like what Mr. Bray has said, prepare for the worse. We're going to need, we're going to need a respond. And in the words of Mark Bray, legal or not, so there's a suggestion there of engaging in criminality or doing whatever means are necessary to protect Antifa. I think I also have seen just through the footage from my colleagues who have been on the ground in Portland and others is that the organized antifa element has been a little bit less obvious in that they're not showing up in the same type of numbers like they were in 2020. And I think part of that is because they're a bit nervous that if they were to be federally charged, that they could be charged with felony conspiracy or some of these other crimes. And even those in leadership in Portland on city council, like one woman, she's releasing video saying, go out, get, get a burner phone, buy it with cash, make sure you use signal for encrypted communications, make sure you turn on auto delete when you communicate with your comrades so they realize potentially what's at stake here.

[A]

Yeah, well, consequences matter. That's how you stop all of this. Andy Ngo, thank you for your dogged coverage of this through the years. Always appreciate our conversations, sir, nice to talk to you again today.

[E]

Thank you for having me on.

[A]

There he is, Andy Ngo with the Post Millennial. And you can find his book Unmasked. And his substack is no comment. Ngo is the last name. No comment. Thanks again to Andy. No, you know, okay, so the violence continues and the lefts desire to inflict violence on their political opponents continues in the form of the attorney General candidate in the Commonwealth of Virginia. And we get a blockbuster bombshell story from National Review going into the weekend. Here's the piece. Democrat Attorney general nominee J. Jones. This is right now, you've got a big election going on in Virginia. It's set to take place at the beginning of November. Here. Democrat Attorney General nominee J. Jones fantasized about shooting former Virginia Republican speaker. Quote, he receives both bullets. Now, this goes back to a 2022 text exchange where this guy J. Jones was exchanging texts with a Republican state legislator. And in the text messages indicated that he wanted to put two bullets into the head of Todd Gilbert, the then House speaker going on to say that not only did he want to shoot Todd Gilbert, but that he would also want to inflict pain upon Gilbert's children, calling them little fascists and suggesting that the only way to achieve political change is to create real human suffering. These are all deranged text messages that are now, of course, overtaking the, the, the Virginia Attorney General's race, which is a very big deal. There is. Let me see if I can pull up some of the text messages here. Yeah, here he is, J. Jones, three people, two bullets. He wrote Gilbert Hitler and Pol Pot. He says Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. This is in the hypothetical. He says, spoiler, put Gilbert and the crew with the two worst people, you know, and he receives both bullets every time. Now, you can see that the Republican state lawmaker he was speaking with kept on begging him, please stop saying these things. Quote, it really bothers me when you talk about hurting people or wishing death on them. And. And then also they had a phone call together where this guy, Jay Jones, just said that, yeah, I want to see Gilbert's children hurt. I want to see them hurt. That's the only way anything's going to change here. And the Republican legislator says, hey, you were talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. And he responded, yes, he confirmed. He said this on the phone call. Yes. I've told you this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy. Only when they feel pain personally, do they move in policy. Do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil, he says, referring to Gilbert and his wife and that they're breeding little fascists. Yes. So this guy wants to break the attorney general of the state. He wants to be the top law enforcement guy in the state of Virginia. And he believes he in executing his political opponents in cold blood because he disagrees with them or killing their children in an attempt to get them to change their policies. This is demonic what you're hearing. This is demonic what that man expressed. And by the way, he's confirmed. These are his messages. He's confirmed it now in Virginia, the guy hasn't lost a single endorsement yet, but from the Democrats who are supporting him, and right now it seems like they're kind of steady as you go, like, well, let's just see if we can ride this bad boy out. Here's how the. Here's how the Republican governor nominee, winsome Sears, is handling this. Check this advertisement out that she put out this weekend. Again, J. Jones is the Democrat running for attorney general. At the top of the ticket for the Democrats is a woman called Abigail Spanberger. She is a Democrat congresswoman now running to be the governor of the commonwealth of Virginia. She would wreck the commonwealth if she gets that job. Here's winsome Sears running a great ad against both of them. We start with breaking news from the campaign trail.

[C]

Jay Jones is under fire tonight. Jay Jones is under fire.

[A]

Jay Jones is under fire after messages he sent in 2022 saying former Virginia house speaker Todd Gilbert should be shot.

[C]

I'm excited about this ticket. It's been great to be out on.

[E]

The campaign channel with J. Jones.

[A]

You said Gilbert's wife could watch her own child die in her arms so that Gilbert might reconsider his political views. We deserve an attorney General who will stand up for the people of Virginia. Jones said, quote, gilbert Hitler and Pol Pot. Gilbert gets two bullets to the head. Let your rage fuel you. Jones doubled down saying, quote, do I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists? Yes. How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific, so callously? Only when people feel paid personally do they move on policy. Reject the insanity vote Republican paid for by winsome Sears for governor. A devastating and effective ad that included merely the garbage that has come out of Jay Jones mouth and from his fingertips in the form of those horrific text messages. In a normal political environment, that would be instantly disqualifying. That man would instantly be out of the race. And yet right now he's persisting. He's staying in this race. Democrats don't know what to do with it. In fact, this morning, fellows, on my screen, this morning on Morning Joe on msnbc, Joe Scarborough is already becoming one of the people saying this guy's going to get out of the race. He's going to imperil the chance for Democrats to win in these essential races in Virginia.

[C]

Coming up, an attorney general candidate in Virginia is apologizing for his texts about a state lawmaker. We'll go through the messages.

[A]

Probably be forced to withdraw from the race and probably is doing a lot there.

[C]

All right, morning Joe. We'll be right back.

[A]

Yeah, already. So Joe Scarborough, and of course, you know, Mrs. Joe is, is like, okay, let's not get too crazy. I'm sorry, that's, that's the beginning place for this is to be thrown out of the race. The next spot is a full blown criminal investigation into whether or not he intended to actually inflict some sort of harm on a guy like Todd Gilbert where he's fantasizing about putting two bullets into the head of his Republican political opponent. The left have demons right now. The left have demons. They need to exorcise them immediately. This is as dangerous as it gets. And now you have forget just the lunatics on the street who are throwing Molotov cocktails on cops. You have people who want to be the attorney General of an entire state who believe in putting bullets into their heads of their political opponents. Again, I said it earlier. You want civil war, this is how you get civil war. That's what they're doing. Calm it down now and fall on your knees and pray to God for forgiveness. It's unreal what's happening. You're the best audience anywhere. We've got a lot of big shows coming up this week for you. On the big national radio show today, I am joined by the United States speaker of the House. He will be joining me, Speaker Mike Johnson, on the big national radio show today. You can listen live 12 to 3 Eastern time. Get your local listing at the vinshow.com or join me right here on Rumble. That's rumble.com Vince Yes. The government shutdown continues. We have a lot to discuss. That's all ahead on today's THE Vince show. And I'm back with you tomorrow on another edition of vince. It is so great to have you with us. I'll see you then.