Harmeet Dhillon (4:23)

Yes, thanks for having me, Ben.

Vince (4:25)

Okay, so what stands out to you? There's these. A bunch of radical lefties. They invade this Baptist Church in St. Paul yesterday. What are the things that you are watching or we're looking at very closely?

Harmeet Dhillon (4:38)

Well, we have sent prosecutors to Minneapolis who are working together with the U.S. attorneys and the FBI's office for reviewing all the video that people have put out there. We're getting video from the church itself. We've already spoken to the pastor. The Attorney General initiated that. She's checking in with me every couple of hours on it. And I can tell you it's the top priority for us. We are looking at violations of the Federal Face act as well as the Klan act and related statute.

Vince (5:08)

And how quickly could you put someone in handcuffs? I saw you posting on social media today that one of the impediments to progress, there could be federal judges. What. What should we look for?

Harmeet Dhillon (5:21)

So here's the sequence of events. In real life. I mean, I'm seeing the thousands of tweets of panic and dunking on the DOJ for not immediately arresting people and asking questions later. That's not how it works in real life. In real life, you do an investigation, you. You get, get your charges together. There may be further charges later on, but for arrest warrant, you have to get a federal judge to sign off on it. Now, yesterday was a Sunday. Today is a federal holiday. And even when it is not a federal holiday, these judges are not doing things at the pace that we would like. We've had a huge volume of arrests in Minneapolis and they're, you know, they're doing a handful of them a day. And so that's one of the problems here. You know, eventually, as soon as, as fast as we can reasonably, there will be arrests. In this situation, based on the video I've seen, there are clear violations of the Faith act, really very clear. The only question is, who are all the participants and are there other conspirators and who provided material support and who's involved in this? And so those are kind of the questions. So I do expect that you're going to see rapid action here. The Attorney General is extremely motivated on this.

Vince (6:30)

I saw you told Benny Johnson earlier today that by next week, Sunday, the message will be clear that you can't invade a church in this way. Does that mean you anticipate arrests before the weekend?

Harmeet Dhillon (6:43)

I mean, I hope we can see that. But my point is that everyone in the country should feel comforted by the extremely rapid and high level response to this crime. It was a crime that occurred in Minneapolis at this church.

Vince (6:58)

Yeah, no, it sure looks like it. So among the people who went into the church was Don Lemon, who was filming himself throughout the day supporting the people who went into the church. In the morning, he was giving them donuts and coffee. And then he went up to the pulpit and was confronting the pastor. And then afterwards he said that traumatizing children is a feature of protest. Are you keeping a close eye on Don Lemon's activities in that church.

Harmeet Dhillon (7:26)

Look, I certainly. A lot of the video that we are looking at is put out by him, including additional statements from him. What I have said publicly about this, and I don't want to prejudge anything, and everyone's entitled to presumption of innocence, is that a journalist is not inoculated from criminal charges just because they say they're a journalist or they switch hats rapidly between being a journalist and a participant. And so you can't embed yourself in a crime and then say, I'm a journalist. I'm just filming it for, you know, for clicks or whatever. It's a crime to go into a house of worship and disrupt it. And so, you know, we're looking at the video and we are making our judgments and we're talking to witnesses. Not everything is on video. So the witnesses who can give us some information about the initial encounters and what went on. But, you know, this just whether he's the subject of a criminal investigation or not, he's bringing coffee to the organizers, he's kissing them, he's saying we outside the church. So these are all things that he's put out there that we're looking at.

Vince (8:32)

As you tackle this. If we see charges brought and we begin kind of uncorking what exactly went down, I would assume that that would help get access to whoever's organizing all of this too, right? I mean, you could. I mean, is it possible that we could spill into further crimes like conspiracy and the broader groups that are behind these types of deprivations of civil rights?

Harmeet Dhillon (8:53)

Well, the Klan act is a conspiracy statute. We're looking at section 241 and 242 of the Klan Act. Those are the acts that the Biden administration used actually to prosecute and bring felony charges against peaceful praying pro life activists out trying to save lives outside abortion clinics. So, you know, those are some of the things that we're looking at.

Vince (9:16)

And then as far as your record, I don't think people realize you have been prosecuting people who have been attacking, defacing, or interrupting churches, correct?

Harmeet Dhillon (9:26)

Oh, 100%. We have had numerous prosecutions and convictions, including a guy from California who put bomb filled backpacks in California, Arizona and Colorado churches. We have, you know, civil cases involving land use discrimination and America's Disabilities act with respect to church run programs and schools. We have prosecuted successfully. We're prosecuting a guy who beheaded a statue of the Virgin Mary. You know, we've had numerous successful prosecutions here. I see this narrative online. Oh, you know, nothing will happen. Plenty has happened. And that's just lazy and unfair. So not to mention the synagogue cases. There are multiple, I visited multiple synagogues that have been the subject of violent incidents and we have face act investigations and conspiracy investigations ongoing in those cases. And to pick up on something you said earlier, Vince, finding out who is funding this chaos and this anarchy and this violence in our country is across the doj, a very high priority. I have been engaged in that with respect to protests, so called protests on the college campuses by Students for Justice for Palestine and other groups like that. You know, we have a very broad focus on these issues and it is a top priority to find out who's behind it so we can stop it and get back to a, to get back to the law and order in this country, at least at the federal level. And the final point I'd like to make for you regarding this issue is that Minnesota prosecutors should be prosecuting this and they aren't. So they're the first line of attack.

Vince (11:11)

Yes, they are. There's a lot of Americans out there who want their country back. They're rooting you on. Harmeet Dhillon, civil Rights Division at the Justice Department. Thank you. Keep up the good work. Thank you again, Harmeet Dhillon appearing on the big national radio show yesterday. We had a quick phone call, but I think an important one. And, and I'm watching here in our live chat on Rumble, a lot of reactions to this. A lot of people like Harmeet Dhillon, they think she's very competent. By the way, all of that was very well explained on her part. Some of the reaction I'm seeing, people are saying, well, how is it that the left arrests and then asks questions later and then the right tries to basically gather evidence and then make the arrests? That's because we're the ones who follow the rule of law. That is the distinction. We are the ones who follow the rule of law. We're the ones who respect and maintain and uphold the Constitution. The left is trying to tear it up. We are trying to hold this country together. But one of the overwhelming reactions I've seen to this, not just in our live Rumble chat today, but also yesterday as I posted this interview live to the web, just thousands of people writing in and a lot of the reaction was frustration, frustration, just that we've gone on so long and we haven't seen the big showstopping arrests that, that are necessary to get our country back in order. Harmeet's right, by the way. The Justice Department deserves credit for every arrest and prosecution and imprisonment that they've secured, and that includes of, you know, nearly 100 Somalis who've been defrauding the United States of upwards of $20 billion people just being thrown behind bars. I love that. And that deserves a lot of attention. The thousands of children who are being rescued from these awful situations of sex slavery and disappearing into the country, being forced into slave labor. The Trump administration is just rescuing people like crazy. So there are lots of things to be proud of. But the big thing that you and I want in terms of righting this ship is a very real and successful prosecution and conviction of the people who've just been hurting this country. And that includes anybody who dared pour into that jail, sorry, poured into that church rather, over the weekend, and anybody who was involved in organizing an attack on Christians of that nature. It just is as clear as day. And so do I find encouragement in what Harmey Dhillon had to say? Yeah, I do. She says there are definitely going to be arrests. They are moving as quickly as humanly possible given the limitations of some of these radical and slow judges that they have to deal with through this process. But they say they're on it. So what do we do? Well, we hold them to it, and I think it's good. Look, as much as I like Harmeet, I think it's good that people keep the fires burning. You know what I mean? Like that we just keep reminding the government that we're vigilant to this, that we care a lot about this because they hear this, they hear this. And as long as we keep the fire burning, that helps them keep the fire burning, too. They know it's important to us, so that's good. Finally, one of the other big things that I saw in the chat that I think is kind of clever is maybe Harmeet for Attorney General. Have we considered this? Is that currently in the thought process at the White House, Pam Bondi is in the job right now. God knows how long she'll continue to do that, but should she ever leave, well, who's up next? Harmeet is a proven warrior. She might be perfect for it. Something to think about. All right, More in a moment. I've got. Don Lemon was in that building. Don Lemon is absolutely spazzing out right now that Harmony Dhillon in the United States Department of Justice is paying attention at all to his behavior this weekend. I'll get to that. 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Local authorities are giving double barrel middle fingers to their own people and to the people of the United States and the federal government of the United States. No, we're not going to enforce these laws. No, we're not going to protect our own people. So if you have a state that's in open insurrection as a result of its leaders decisions, what recourse do you have? Well, the Insurrection act, what is that if not another invitation for the Insurrection Act? If Minnesota won't arrest the bad guys who menace Christians inside of their church, obviously another call for the Trump administration to step up on that issue. It does sound very insurrectiony. Zoidborg, I agree with you. Very insurrectiony. Now Don Lemon is insisting that he's not guilty of anything. In fact, people are just targeting him because he's black and he's gay. Yeah, that's right, Don Lemon. It's not his Fault that he broke the law. It's your fault for even talking about it. And you're a racist and a bigot and a sexist and whatever else. Here's. Here's Don Lemon. Cut three. Going on one of a lot of podcasts yesterday, trying to desperately figure out a way to squirm out of this watch. There is.

Don Lemon (17:58)

Obviously, there's racism in it. The whole point of it is that they're trying to. They're detaining people on the streets because of accents and the color of their skin, and they're also targeting. They're targeting people of color and black people as well as brown people. So there is a certain degree of racism there, and there's a certain degree of entitlement. I think people who are, you know, in religious groups like that, it's not the type of Christianity that I practice, but I think that they're entitled and that that entitlement comes from a supremacy, a white supremacy. And they think that this country was built for them, that it is a Christian country. When actually we left England because we wanted religious freedom. It's religious freedom, but only if you're a Christian and only if you're a white male. Pretty much, yeah.

Vince (18:39)

Everything he just said was a lie. And also, I love this. I just keep. You keep sticking with that. That sheet music, will. You don't just keep going with that. That any scrutiny you receive is white supremacy. That when you break the law, it's everybody else's moral failure for noticing now you broke the law. There's video of you all day hanging out with these lunatics, buying them coffee and donuts in the morning, concealing their true intents, saying you couldn't point your camera at them because they were giving out the details of what they were about to do. Going with them to the church to menace the Christians who. Going to the pulpit in order to disrupt the minister in the middle of his sermon and then leaving and then bragging about how protest movements terrorize children. You said, look at those kids. They seem so traumatized. But that's what protest is supposed to do. No, that's not what protest is supposed to. Traumatizing children in order to achieve political goals is terrorism. It's not protest. That's terrorism. You're terrorizing someone in order to affect the political outcome in order to secure power. You're disgusting. A protest is when people peaceably assemble to make their voices heard and to tell their leaders that they want something different. That's a protest, not what you just did. That was Just menacing Christians in a church. That's disgusting. So, yes, Don Lemon's under investigation. You heard Army Dylan say it a moment ago. And he says, you know, one of the reasons they're going after him is because he's the biggest name and he's a gay black man in America, and America's out to get him.

Don Lemon (20:17)

Look, it's an intimidation tactic. And, you know, I said, I don't understand how I've become the face of it. When I was a journalist, I do understand that I'm the biggest name there. And I'm also, as I was on with my producers this morning, you know, you and Kylie talk all the time. My producers were saying. I said, how did I become the face of this?

Harmeet Dhillon (20:33)

And.

Don Lemon (20:33)

And my producer said, don, you're a gay black man in America.

Vince (20:40)

What does Don have to do? Didn't he marry a white dude, by the way? Isn't that like. He's trying? He's trying. What does he have against black men? Why didn't he marry a black guy like Don? He's unbelievable. I mean, he's so brazen. He's just. He's ridiculous. He is a narcissist. The guy's crazy. And so, yeah, no, he feels the heat. He doesn't like that everybody's paying attention to him. So yesterday, he called for backup. He said, well, somebody's gotta protect me. And if you're in Minnesota, if you're ever in trouble with the law in Minnesota and you're working to advance the goals of the radical left, who else would you call than the Attorney General of the state, Keith Ellison. Keith Ellison, who is a former congressman and an Islamist and a. And now the Attorney General of the State of Minnesota. A guy who does not believe in upholding the rule of law. He's as corrupt as the day is long. And he was caught on tape, remember, talking to Somali donors who were asking him to help take pressure off of them as investigations were going after all of the fraud? And he said, sure, sure. Basically, you just donate to my political campaign, and money buys you freedom. So they donated to his political campaign. And his promise was that a couple of phone calls from the Attorney General's office will get this all cleaned up. And sure enough, in Minnesota, the way that it operates, the Democrats who run the state either turn a blind eye to the fraud or they punish the whistleblowers who attempt to expose it. That's what Tim Walls and Keith Ellison have done. That's their track record as they line their pockets with their ill Gotten gains. So here's Keith Ellison. He goes on Don Lemon's podcast yesterday. Don Lemon, who just flagrantly violated the face act on camera, now has the Attorney General of the State of Minnesota on. You heard a moment ago from Harmony Dylan saying Minnesota authorities should be arresting these people. Arresting them. They're cozying up to them. They're doing their podcasts together. Here's Don Lemon, Keith Ellison, and for some reason, D.L. hughley, all on the same screen. Watch.

Don Lemon (22:44)

General, I know you know what's going on. I'm sure you've heard of what's going on. What do you think of. Of this and. And what happened at the church and all that?

Keith Ellison (22:52)

Well, let me tell you, I think that, you know, the protest is fundamental to American society. This country started in a protest, and, you know, it's freedom of expression. People have a right to lift up their voices and make their peace, and none of us are immune from the voice of the public. So I quite honestly, I think that you got the First Amendment, freedom of religion and the freedom of First Amendment, freedom of expression. And I think that, you know, it's just. I think it's just something you gotta live with in a society like this.

Vince (23:30)

Something you just gotta live with in a society like this. I don't know. Does Keith Ellison go to a mosque? Is that his thing? How would he feel if you poured into his mosque and started chanting to his imam and, like, during their services? How would he feel? Well, how exactly would that go down? Would that not be the biggest civil rights violation that had ever occurred in American history? Would that not be cause for rioting? Would that not be cause for utter chaos? What is he even talking about? Oh, you just gotta deal with it. It's just the kind of thing you gotta deal with. No, it's not. No, it's not. In fact, the people who poured into that church are lucky that they didn't have a table flipped directly into their faces. I mean, there was extraordinary levels of Christian patience on display from the people inside of that Baptist church who were stunned by what they were encountering and who tried to gently talk everything down into a cooler event. But I'm telling you, you crossed the wrong person. Someone's going to put a fist straight through your face in an event like that. I'm talking sincere Christians who are looking to defend their churches. It's getting too crazy. And Keith Ellison is the Attorney General of the state making excuses for all of this. That's totally fine. He just shrugs it off. You're wondering why Minnesota has become a complete dumpster fire. Look no further than the state's Attorney General who keeps breathing life into all of this. Speaking of somebody who should be arrested, somebody who should be charged, we got this guy on tape promising to take the the investigations away from these Somalis. It seems pretty clear to me what's going on. And the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota is not the only person in the prosecutory level that's pulling this kind of bullshit. The Minnesota Assistant Attorney General is a woman called Ann Keeling. And she was just caught inside of encrypted messages communicating with ICE officials. Excuse me. Anti ICE groups. Here's the Daily Caller. They've got a piece up on this today. Minnesota's Assistant Attorney General was allegedly active participant in anti ICE groups. This is Ann Keeling. She offered her assistance to activists in an anti US Immigration and Customs Enforcement group chat according to an X account on Saturday. Of course, leftist groups have been ramping up their activities after Renee Good got herself killed on January 7. According to Crime Watch Minneapolis, an X user who obtained alleged photos from one of the anti ICE signal chat groups. Keeling made contact with the group through a person who was a member, notifying them of her position in the department and asked for assistance. Direct contact here, if helpful. The tech said Ann helped with two friends from Pizza Luce who got detained yesterday. So she's running around trying to help illegals. Hi all. My day job is Minnesota Assistant Attorney General. I work for Keith Ellison. She says in the message this passed along, we've heard your concerns through our consumer hotline. We're seeking detailed information from the public right now to help us. If you or someone you know has information to share with us along these lines. And they won. And then it gets cut off. But in other words, if they want to share it, here's how they go on to say that she is happy to take messages on Signal. Now Signal is of course an encrypted messaging service. This is designed to be out of public sight. It's designed to be communications that you and I don't get to see in any capacity. And she's the Assistant Attorney General of an entire state trying to have encrypted communications with the anti ICE lunatics who keep taking over the streets of places like Minneapolis, disrupting ICE operations and causing more peril for that community. Allowing child rapists to run free. Homicidal maniacs. That's who the Assistant Attorney General is interested in protecting. It's not the people of Minnesota. It's not about Getting the rapists and murderers off the streets. She's running a protection racket for those people, and she's doing it via encrypted messaging systems. So that's what Minnesota is dealing with right now. My heart goes out and my prayer is always to the people of Minnesota. I know we got a lot of great people in Minnesota who are suffering under this regime. I hear from them all the time. They're constantly getting in touch with me, calling into the radio show, telling me, God, I live in Minnesota, Vince. And it is so different than what it used to be. And it's the Democrats who are running it into the ground. They absolutely are. Tampon Tim Wall's doing that very thing. But this is why we need these intense consequences. This is why everybody who violated the Face act this past weekend should deserve not only to be put into handcuffs, but I'm all for the perp walks. Now just give me the full theatrical treatment of these people. Just do it. Because we need to send a message of deterrence. Ufa, ufo. That's the message, and it should be over and over and over again. Now, my next guest, well, he's really felt the brunt of a tyrannical government who employed the Face act against him. They hurt him. And Mark Hauck, I think he's going to be able to provide us some very good information about what he's observing here as the Face act really is violated by the people who poured into that church. We'll talk to Mark in just a moment. Before we get there, our great sponsors include Boland Branch. I tell you what, man. We love bowl and branch in my house. Love bowl and branch. Bowl and branch is one of those things. It's a sleep changer for the better. 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American Financing can help you access the equity that's in your home at an interest rate in the low fives, which is an amazing thing because when you get an interest rate in the low fives, you can defeat those crazy credit card rates in the 20s and the 30s. Insane. American financing is saving their customers an average of $800 a month. That's like a $10,000 raise to start the new year. Now there are no upfront fees, no obligation to see how much you can save. And they're closing some very fast and as fast as 10 days, and even delaying two mortgage payments. American Financing is America's home for home loans. Call today. That's 888-879-6460. That's 888-8 79-6460american financing.net Vince it was October of 2021, and a gentleman by the name of Mark Halquist standing outside of a Philadelphia abortion mill with his son. That's when a delusional left wing activist got into the face of his boy. Mark stepped in between them, pushed the guy back. And for defending his son, well, the Biden administration decided to destroy his life. They accused Mark of violating something called the Face Act. And then, well, he went through a nightmare. Mark Hauck is on X. He's at the Kingsman. He's the co founder and president of the Kingsmen. And he's an author, a lecturer, radio host and activist, and of course, a passionate Catholic as well. Mark, it is very nice to talk to you again, sir. Thank you for being here.

Mark Hauck (32:22)

Well, it's great to be with you, Vince, and thanks for the great articulation of our issue yesterday. People were listening to it and they texted me and said, you need to reach out to Vince. And I said they already did. So here we are. So thanks for sharing the info.

Vince (32:36)

Yes, sir. Well, it's good to talk to you again. And I've been thinking a lot about you this past week because we just watched a ton of deranged left wing agitators pour into this Baptist Church in St. Paul, Minnesota over the weekend. And when they did that, it's about as clear a violation of the FACE Act, I think, as any of us can establish. You, unfortunately, have become very familiar with the FACE Act. Let's start with your story. Just give people kind of the CliffsNotes version. What happened to you, Mark?

Mark Hauck (33:06)

Sure. As you said back in October, there was that incident and nothing came of it in the Philadelphia area. The District attorney had no issue with it. There was no complaint from the Philadelphia pd. Ultimately the DOJ saw it as an opportunity. Post Dobbs ultimately. But, but I was served a target letter saying I was essentially like Don Lemon here, I'll notice. But I was got a target letter saying that I might be indicted. And ultimately I was Post Dobbs in September 23rd. It was a Friday morning at 6:30 in the morning where a heavy raid came to my home with about 20 plus federal agents and Philadelphia state troopers and Bucks county sheriffs who were all Philadelphia PD, were there with M16 guns pointed at my wife, point at my kids, ready to arrest me without a warrant, which is what they said. They didn't have a warrant. They did ultimately, but they didn't produce it and, and just took me away in front of my children and, and charged me falsely with violation the FACE Act. Facing 11 years in prison and a federal government that has a 99% conviction rate when they come after you.

Vince (34:19)

Yes, they do. So the odds are completely stacked against you. How, how much of an impact did this did this have on your family and your finances? What was the toll of going through this horrible experience?

Mark Hauck (34:33)

That's a great question. And, and we're still unpacking it essentially to this day. You know, we've sued the, the federal government for, for this violation of my rights, and that's still playing itself out, you know, financially. It's just really hard to say. I mean, I'm a Catholic, and we're talking about, you know, Christian worshipers and stuff. But when you're an alleged felon or even just can not even convicted, but falsely charged, it affects you ultimately. Perceptions, reality. And. And people don't really want to work with you, unfortunately, when you've been targeted like this. And again, I'm an innocent man, and I should be. I should be treated as such. But again, it's the reality of it.

Vince (35:14)

You just said that you've sued the federal government, and you're still going through that litigation right now. I mean, as the Trump administration attempted to settle with you in light of the fact that they're now in charge of the very agency that tormented you.

Mark Hauck (35:26)

Well, I'll give you exactly how it went down. And we had great attorneys that applied the law. Ultimately, in the Third Circuit, they ruled against us. They said that the federal government had every right to do what they did. We're sorry that it happened essentially to you, but essentially they had a right to bring that amount of weaponry to your home, even though we told them we would turn ourselves in. Just give us a call. My attorneys with Thomas Moore. So. So that said, we appealed it, and thankfully, the Trump DOJ said, you know what? We're not going to let this go to appeal. We're going to work with you. So we're still working with them to bring about some degree of financial settlement. It has not happened yet. In other words, nothing's completed yet. But. But they are. They have been supportive. I'd have to say Stanley Woodward in particular, and, and Josh Hawley were very helpful in getting this to be ultimately resolved one day.

Vince (36:25)

Okay. So at this moment, there's not some sort of impediment or point of friction. You have a good working relationship with the Trump Justice Department to settle this out?

Mark Hauck (36:33)

Yes, of course, at this point.

Vince (36:35)

Okay, good. Let me, let me ask you about this weekend. So in Minnesota, St. Paul, Minnesota, all of these people pour into a church. It's all captured on camera. These. These lefties are carrying their cell phones. Don Lemon is recording his own behavior. It's all on video. And we just heard from the Assistant Attorney General, Harmony Dhillon, who said, yeah, there are very clear violations of the Face act going on here. There will be arrests. Based on your understanding of the Face Act, Mark, having been thrown into this world, what did you see in this footage from this weekend?

Mark Hauck (37:08)

Well, again, the churches are supposed to be protected under the law, under this law that I think should be Repealed, but nonetheless, it's still there. And so, obviously, it's a heartbreaking experience watching that, but also knowing that, you know, religious liberty is being violated, and that's what the FACE act is designed to protect. Although when initially instituted by Ted Kennedy and the Clinton administration, it was solely to stop pro life rescues, and it was just kind of a throw in there from a conservative bent to kind of get the churches. So, okay, so here we are. There we are.

Vince (37:44)

We're.

Mark Hauck (37:45)

We have the law now let's apply. Needs to be applied, and these people should be arrested. And I think it's an appropriate use of that law.

Vince (37:56)

They should be arrested. Do you think Don Lemon should be arrested for what he did?

Mark Hauck (38:01)

Look, if he's collaborating or inciting that type of menace, riot, whatever you want to call it, if he was found to be a part of that, if he's truly what he says he is and just a innocent kind of person who's following a news story, then maybe not. But if he's truly was invested, which it sounds like he was with these people, had relationships with them, he was collaborating, yeah, he should be thrown in that as well, because that just further creates the mayhem that it was. And. And I can only imagine what those children felt like as they left their church. I mean, they. We call the sanctuary in church a sanctuary for a reason, and that was totally desecrated. And so these people, you know, should be rewarded in some way with some sort of justice.

Vince (38:46)

What does that look like? So when the government decides that you have violated the FACE act, which is what the Biden administration accused you of, what's the next step for these people?

Mark Hauck (38:56)

Well, again, they all need to be served in some sort of way. Those that were. Were there and broke that law. And I think, again, if they say, hey, we'll turn ourselves in, we'll cooperate, then there should be no issue there. As far as needing a raid or anything like that, I would never be in favor of. Of bringing to these people in their homes at the. In the middle of the night, essentially, in a tyrannical way to arrest somebody just to intimidate them and instill fear. So that's not what we're looking for here, but we're looking for application of the law. And so those people should be served. And you do what they did at January 6th. You know, you got the cameras, you got the faces. Find those people, serve them, and then bring them to justice and find out what the. What they. What their role was. I think that's appropriate. But again, I wouldn't be in favor of anyone being treated like I was, was treated. That, that's certainly a violation of our rights, of many of our rights that, that, that our founding fathers established. So, so no, I'm not in favor of, of, of what they did to me happening to them.

Vince (39:59)

You are a decent person, I got to say, because there's a lot of people who know your story who think to themselves they deserve at the very least the mark how treatment that, that the people who would do this to Christians deserve this. The SWAT teams showing up wherever they're trying to hide right now. But you're a good man for once again reminding people that this is about something bigger. I mean, in the end, we need our country back and we need a sane place to live. No question for sure. So in a Face act violation, what kind of sentence were you looking at? If the court, if the Justice Department has secured a conviction against you, what kind of sentence could a Face act violation receive?

Mark Hauck (40:39)

Sure. Well, I was facing two counts against the Face act, the first count, and they're very strategic in how they approach this, the doj. And let's be honest, there are deep state holdovers still in the DOJ that didn't want to give the Haug family any retribution for what happened. But thankfully, the Trump administration, just as an aside, stepped in. But here's the thing, they're very shrewd in what they do. So they applied two counts against me. The first count is gave me one year in prison. But then they applied a second count which, which was the same conditions of the Face act, but because there was an altercation whereby I pushed the man away from my son, it fell under the category of assault. And so as a result of that, that added another 10 years. And so that's what they were banking on. And obviously you push somebody, it is assault, simple assault, whatever. But there has to be motive. And so that's what the government have to prove was, did I push him just because, hey, he was, was outside of an abortion, abortion mill. No, I pushed him because he was harassing and bullying my son. Like that was normal behavior. Right. There was a, provoke a provocation there. So, but that said, that's what the government did. So I was facing 11 years. Typically, if you're a first time offender, to answer your question more fully, it would just be one year for a violation of Face Act. But the government, I was a first time offender. The government didn't, didn't do that. The government, you know, threw the book at you and tried to get as much to stick against you as possible, which just shows the nature of what they were trying to do. They were trying to intimidate and scare people, and they did effectively to this day. They have scared people in the pro life movement against doing work that I do.

Vince (42:22)

So what you're describing, and it's one of the themes of our conversation, certainly of your work, is that there seems to be a very casual acceptance in our country, at least by the people who are in charge, that it's okay to harass, intimidate, and suppress Christians. So if a Christian decides to sing a church hymn outside of an abortion mill, then they need to be charged with some sort of crime for doing that. But if leftists pour into a Christian church in the middle of a service, they get what, excuses for their behavior that they're somehow upholding the First Amendment. What, what is this, Mark? How, because you, as you have had time to think about this, what is this animosity towards Christians? Where does this come from?

Mark Hauck (43:02)

Well, it's the bias that's acceptable in our country, you know, against Christians where, whereby we, we apply, you know, First Amendment rights, saying that our freedom of speech applies to entrance into a, a church, a Christian church, and you can do whatever you want. That, that's not, not the case. It's not the, the rights that we have. And so we cannot, we have to protect the, the freedom to worship. Like that is a sacred space and held inviolate for all of us and even Muslims. Right? So like you said, you, you cannot go into a church and, and, and yell fire or, or cause of menace like they created. And, and that is just something that we just need to uphold. And, and people just, they need a good civics course is what I think they need. They need to understand what does freedom of speech mean. It does not mean going into a church that's totally separated. And let's remember, church and state is not about church coming into the government. It's about state violating church. It's really designed to protect church, not the other way around. And that's a confusion that even our senators and congressmen.

Vince (44:17)

Yes, also, as my chat is saying too, and I say often, it does demonstrate that we're in a spiritual war too. It's not merely just a power struggle, a human one. There's a spiritual component to this, Mark, don't you think?

Mark Hauck (44:31)

Oh, 100%. I mean, look, when we're dealing with civil rights issue, I had Cardinal Gerhard Mueller come to my house and yesterday being Martin Luther King Day, and he Told me I was like Martin Luther King. But he said the issue's more important, the life and the rights and the civil rights of a baby in utero is more important. But unfortunately, that is a sacrament for the left, you know, which is abortion. And so when we're dealing with things like that, you know, that's a very sacred thing to the left. And for them, they're going to do whatever they can. So it is a battle of good and evil. We can clearly see the evil side of that, that it is a rights issue civilly for the children. And again, it's a. It's the God of Moloch. If you want to go back, that war, child killing has been going on in the world for thousands of years. And so again, it's a sacred sacrament for the demonic in so many ways. And so, yes, we're dealing with a friction there that is best described as a spiritual warfare.

Vince (45:36)

Yeah. Human sacrifice is what we used to refer to it as and certainly is at scale now, a million a year in the United States alone. Mark Hauck, thank you for being in this fight. Thank you for standing up for your family. By the way, did all of that bring your family closer together in the end?

Mark Hauck (45:53)

That's a great question. And I think it can do a number of things, right. It can drive you apart or you can come together. In other words, you could say, dad, I don't want anything to do with what you do, you know, the older kids and stuff. But no, I mean, look, prayer was at the center of the attack to help us get through it. And, you know, thankfully, they, they trusted their parents, they let us lead them well. And my children were young enough whereby they did forge a stronger faith and, and trust and, and just knowing that, you know, that. That even. Even though things don't. May. May not work out the way you hope that God's grace is sufficient. And so they've experienced that, they've seen it firsthand and they know that you know, that. That, you know, there's great love for humanity in the world and the love that was poured out upon them, they felt tangibly.

Vince (46:46)

Yeah. When a family goes through battle together, it often brings them together. And I'm glad to hear that was the case in your. In your situation. Mark, thank you. It's good to talk to you again and I look forward to the next chance that I have to do that. Thank you, sir.

Mark Hauck (46:58)

Thank you, Vince. Keep up the great work.

Vince (46:59)

Thank you very much. That's Mark Haug, of course, right at the center of the Left's tyranny. When we reel off a list of the tyranny at the hands of the left, we certainly have talked at length about all of the attacks on President Trump and the people around him, but often very near the top of that list, Mark Hauck. Mark Hauck, who. He did literally nothing wrong. In fact, he did everything right. He was standing up for babies and he was standing up for his boy who was attacked by a lunatic. He jumped in the middle, and then the Biden administration terrorized him for years. And listen to his decency there. I mean, he is assessing this objectively. He's like, look, the people violated the face act. I'm very familiar with the face act. I've been exposed to it over and over and over again, given what I went through. And I'm looking at this, yeah, they violated the face act. You can't just barrel into a Christian church and treat the faithful that way. But then he, in an utter act of decency, said, but I don't want them to be swatted. I don't want SWAT teams going to their homes. I want them to voluntarily turn themselves in. Now, having said that, I don't anticipate any of these left wing lunatics voluntarily turning themselves in. Some of them, you know that guy, William Kelly, the beardo? He's like screaming into a camera, f you, Pam Bondi. F you come and arrest me. It's like, all right, you want that? Fine, we'll send the SWAT team to your house, wherever that, whatever you call home, whatever underpass you're living there, living under. It's like just craziness what's going on with this guy. But that's fine. That's what you want, then that's what you're gonna get. That's what you're gonna get. In fact, here is, here's the, here's the video. Let me show this to you real fast, fellas. Let me see if I can pull this up on screen. Here's William Kelly raging that Pam Bondi may put him under arrest. He's faing, will he fo Take a look at this.

William Kelly (48:51)

Yesterday I went into a church with Nekima Armstrong, and I protested these white supremacists. A pastor of the church is a fucking ICE leader in the city. How can you be a fucking pastor and be a fucking ICE agent? Fuck them. They want to come after me. Fuck them. How can they live so comfortably while the fucking people in from Somalia that are in this country legally, that have fucking citizenship can't even go to their mosque and pray. How do they deserve any fucking different? Fuck those fucking Nazis. Come and get me, Pam Bondi, you fucking traitorous bitch. All power to the people.

Vince (49:31)

Have you ever seen a clear example of a mentally unstable person who desperately needs an intervention than that guy? That guy needs a straight jacket and a padded room and, you know, just like the occasional delivery of Ovaltine or something. It's like, you know, just. Come on. I don't know. I mean, is there any more evidence that you possibly need? He's got his Fuck Trump beanie on. He's unwell. He's mentally unwell, and he keeps traveling. Who's paying for him to travel everywhere? Can we get some answers to these damn questions? He's going to. He's in D.C. he's harassing the National Guard to their faces. He's in. I saw another video of him in D.C. he's harassing Christians on their way to Sunday services, screaming at them, calling them white supremacists and things. White supremacists for going to church. What are you talking about? The guy's saying he's attacking Christians inside of churches. He's daring the Justice Department to hold him accountable for his violations of the law. Arrest them. Just arrest him. And you're right. Yeah. And he's. And there's. You know, the devil's at work here, ladies and gentlemen. You can see it. You can see. You can see it in every aspect of his expression. The devil's at work. It is a spiritual battle. It is. We've got. We've got a lot going on. I need to shift gears to a different story because this matters a great deal. We talk a lot on this show, and we're in the midterms now. And, yes, this is the hundredth day. Can you believe it? It is. Yeah. It's the January 20th today, not the hundredth day. What am I talking about? One year since the inauguration. One year since the inauguration of President Trump as the 47th president of the United States. And on this day, I want to reflect back with some gratitude on what you have achieved by putting President Trump back in office. Our border is sealed tight because of what you've done. We've been able to deport nearly 3 million people from our country because of what you've done. Three million. It's just. That's an epic number. So much more is needed, but I'll take every last deportation I can get. This is what people voted for. This is what people voted for. The homicide rate has dropped to record lows. We've been cracking down on violent crime all across the country. The FBI definitely deserves credit for that rescuing kid and all this stuff. It's great. And I know we're gonna hear more from Dan Bongino when he gets back on February 2nd. He's gonna have a lot to say on all of this when his broadcast starts up again at 10am eastern time each day live on rubble.combongino but I just think there's a lot to be proud of in this last year. But simultaneously, there's so much more to do. So much more to do. We've gotta secure our elections. We should pass the SAVE Act. We've got to blow through the filibuster and the blue slip in order to do this. We need US Attorneys in place to prosecute bad guys like that jackass. We need judges in place who are not radicals, but instead faithful to the rule of law and their obligations under the Constitution. We need national security. President Trump is working right now to expand our footprint in order to ensure our national security, to turn back the influence of China. There's a lot on the to do list for the Trump administration. So, yes, this last year has been an immense success. Don't underestimate it. It's been a huge success beyond, in some cases, my wildest dreams. I didn't realize that we could secure the border that tightly. And all it did take was a new president, not any changes in the law. But additionally, there's so much more we need and our standards are very high now. We're done being sold a bill of goods. We're done with sort of measly considerations of what the American electorate is concerned about. We demand excellence. We demand it, which is why we sent an excellent person back to the White House. And we're going to keep raising our voices about the things we're concerned about. So that's gonna keep happening. And here we are in a midterm year. Republicans have an obligation to deliver. You wanna win in the midterms? Do something worth voting for. And in case you're wondering, do elections really matter? Do they have any impact? Oh, who cares? Who do you vote for? It doesn't matter. It's all the same. No, elections have real consequences. And nowhere is that story more clearly being told than in Virginia right now, in the Commonwealth of Virginia, which has off year elections. The Democrats in the state just elected in November and now they're in power, basically complete Democrat control of the state, from the state House to the state Senate to the governor, Lieutenant Governor and the Attorney general. I'll remind you that attorneys general race in Virginia came down to the incumbent Republican, Jason Miaras. Great man versus Jay Jones, a homicidal maniac who fantasized about putting bullets in the heads of his political opponents. During the election, Democrat voters in the state who were surveyed kept insisting that they didn't support Jay Jones. They were claiming, oh, no, we support the other two, Abigail Spanberger and the lieutenant governor person, but not J. Jones. That's too much. But of course, by the time they actually filled out their ballots, mail in or otherwise, they voted for Jones. They lied. The Democrat poll respondents lied about who they intended to support, and they voted for Jay Jones anyway. So now Virginia is completely controlled by Democrats at the top. It's not a disaster. And it's spilling out instantly right away. Abigail Spanberger repealed a pro ICE order in Virginia, requiring state police to work with ICE to deport illegals from the state. She looked at the chaos going on in Minnesota and she said to herself, how can I add some of that here to the Commonwealth of Virginia, an historic state in our country's founding? Yeah. So she did that immediately. Simultaneously, Democrats in the state House are already advancing legislation in order to lower criminal penalties for child porn pushers. They're going easier on criminals. Here's a post from Christian Hines, who follows Virginia politics really closely. He says Democrats in Virginia have just introduced a bill to eliminate mandatory minimum sentencing, mandatory minimums for rape, manslaughter, assaulting a law enforcement officer, possession and distribution of child pornography, and all repeat violent felonies. Ladies and gentlemen, I was just talking about this with Mark Hauck. Are we or are we not in a spiritual war? What human being thinks to themselves, you know what government should do? We should go easier on rapists, killers, and child porn pushers. What? That's your priority. Who do you serve? It's not us. It's not God almighty. It's something far darker than that. And so that's the move by the legislature controlled by Democrats in the Commonwealth of Virginia immediately. And then finally, in terms of the big list here of what's going on in Virginia, my buddy Greg Price put together a snappy little recitation of what they're up to. These are all just pieces of legislation the Democrats are pushing for. And get it, I get it. There's a lot of dissatisfaction with Republicans. It's usually about their pace and about whether or not they're weak and whether or not they have testicular fortitude at all. All of those things. And those Deeply matter. But look what I'm looking at here. Look at this. This is Greg Price. This list. This is what Democrats are pushing. Immediately Ready, a new 4.3% sales tax on all deliveries from Uber, Eats and Amazon, et cetera. A new sales tax on businesses. They want to create new higher tax brackets. These are state taxes, not just Federal Income Tax. 8 and 10% on people who make over $600,000. They want a new 10% tax bracket on anyone making over a million dollars. And get ready, you know, Virginia, get ready to become New York and California, where basically businesses begin fleeing because you're taking all the money from anybody who earns a profit in the Commonwealth. What else do we got? A 3.8% investment tax on state income taxes. They want to raise hotel taxes. They want new personal property taxes on landscaping equipment. They want to ban gas powered leaf blowers. You know, leaf blowers that work? Leaf blowers that work. Look, I've tried the electric leaf blower. I've got an electric leaf blower. It's fine if you're blowing off like a step. It's not for clearing out the leaves. In the fall, you'll be burning through batteries all day long trying to move the leaves off your yard. The whole thing is so stupid. And this is what they're pushing for. It's like completely regressive on the part of these lefties. They want to guarantee illegal aliens free education. They want to make it illegal to approach somebody at an abortion clinic. So to be Mark Hauck, it would be illegal for you to counsel anybody against killing children. It's illegal to protect children. If Democrats get their way. They want to extend the time that absentee ballots can be received after election day by three additional days. They just want to keep taking ballots after the election is already over. Oh, that's interesting for a party that cheats in elections. They want to redact the addresses of political candidates from FOIA so you can't find out where the political candidates live. They want to add Virginia to what's called the National Popular Vote Compact. This is a way to get rid of the Electoral College. This is the plan. So basically there's no Electoral College that the state doesn't get to speak with one voice. That we will divide up the states in order to figure out ways to make Democrats always win the presidency. That's the, the game plan. It's an election rigging scheme. They wanna make it illegal to hand count ballots. Illegal to hand count ballots. Think any frauds going on $500 sales tax on firearm suppressors. Yeah, I love that. So Virginia wants, basically, they want to tax suppressors again. You know why? Because Trump got rid of the $200 tax at the federal level on suppressors. As of January 1, it's gone, thanks to the big beautiful law. And so now Democrats want to reimpose it on people who live in Virginia. Virginia, traditionally, Virginia's been great in protecting your right to bear arms. In fact, the Virginia state constitution is even more explicit than the US Constitution on the value of gun ownership. And here are the Democrats trampling over not just the US Constitution, but their own state constitution. And the list goes on. Basically, the point that I'm making to you now, and I just want to emphasize over and over again is elections matter. Elections have consequences. And at this moment, wherever you are in our great country, we all need to be engaged in this fight, be out there helping these candidates, getting people across the finish line. And not just getting them, not just getting a victory for these Republican candidates, but getting meaningful victories for the people that we love in our families, our children and our grandchildren. This is a very big year. We're going to stay locked in in order to see what we can get out of it. It's ahead. All right. Thanks for being with me. I've got the big national radio show coming up today, the Vinceshow.com for your local radio listings. Also, you can join me on rumble rumble.com Vince. We do it live each day. I'll be back with you tomorrow as well. We have a lot of great interviews and topics coming up. You don't want to miss any of it. 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