Their Plan Is Obvious (Ep. 2507)

Summary

The Dan Bongino Show – "Their Plan Is Obvious" (Ep. 2507)

Date: May 4, 2026
Host: Dan Bongino
Special Guest: Sean Spicer

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Overview

This episode of The Dan Bongino Show dives into the escalating chaos around immigration riots in New York, reflects on political leadership past and present, and breaks down recent events involving threats to public figures, notably the attempted assassination at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner. Bongino critiques government overreach, discusses “their plan” to unravel the societal and legal order, and explores how the left’s policies risk rapid societal decline. Later, he interviews former Trump Press Secretary Sean Spicer about his new book, "Trump 2.0," examining how a returning Trump administration is fundamentally different and potentially more effective.

Bongino’s trademark blend of insider law enforcement experience, political analysis, robust defense of conservative values, and pointed humor shine throughout, making this both an urgent and engaging listen for his audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: Recent Absence and News Recap

(00:13–01:41)

• Bongino explains absence due to attending an event honoring a friend leaving public service (a Trump admin alum).
• Teases the episode’s themes: unrest in NYC, the value of Giuliani’s leadership, the Secret Service’s response to recent threats, and Sean Spicer’s book on Trump’s current term.

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2. The Secret Service, High-Profile Threats, and Agency Scrutiny

(03:49–16:21)

• Secret Service Logistics: Bongino draws on his agent experience to explain Secret Service protocols for presidential travel—especially trips to hostile or surveilled countries like China (03:49–05:50).
  • Quote: “You have any idea how much equipment is on that? …We bring everything. You just bring everything with you. You transform your little pocket of the country…” (04:44)
• White House Correspondents’ Dinner Attempted Assassination:
  • Analysis of new video: scrutiny of perimeter security, canine unit’s performance, and procedures needing review (06:22–11:03).
  • Bongino is critical but insists on balanced perspective: “You got to take the good with the bad. You don’t want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.” (05:51)
• Presidential Security Mindset:
  • Shares personal anecdotes about Trump’s response to being shot at:
    • “He brought this up like nothing had happened… this guy is as cool as the other side of a satin pillow.” (14:25)
    • Plays Trump’s joking response to suggestions he wear body armor after being shot:
      • Trump (clip): “I don’t know if I can handle looking 20 pounds heavier…” (15:07)

Notable Insight

• Bongino advocates for using AI to analyze security footage in real time, echoing suggestions from his chat:
  • “Absolutely fantastic suggestion… I hope some of the Secret Service people are listening. They may already be working on that project.” (15:55)

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3. The Legacy of Rudy Giuliani: Leadership in Crisis

(17:44–25:05)

• Giuliani’s Impact:
  • Bongino reveres Giuliani as a transformative figure, paralleling his leadership style with Trump’s: “He had that Trumpian attitude where, like, we’re just going to come in here and break stuff and fix it and make it even better.” (18:24)
  • Reminisces about Giuliani’s leadership during 9/11 (plays historic audio):
    • Giuliani: “People should remain calm… If you’re below Canal Street, you should walk out of southern Manhattan and walk north…” (21:22–22:15)
• Contrast to Current NYC Leadership:
  • Bongino lambasts current and past NYC mayors for enabling chaos, blaming progressive policies for the immigration riots and unchecked disorder:
    • “This is their plan. This is why I titled the show this. Their plan is to dismantle broken windows, policing public safety, you know, civil controlling, any kind of civil disorder. They’re going to throw this all out the window.” (24:37)

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4. DOJ, Prosecutorial Discretion, and Ongoing "Transformation"

(28:26–32:14)

• Targeting Christians:
  • Highlights a Fox report about DOJ scrutiny of pro-life activists, painting the Biden-era DOJ as hostile to religion:
    • “They just hate Christians. They hate religion. They just do. They can't stand any power greater than the state and religion’s competition for the far leftist.” (28:48)
• Mass Resignation at the DOJ:
  • New York Times reports over 3,400 lawyers left DOJ since Trump’s return, framed as positive turnover:
    • “People are policy… a good chunk of these people that left left because they wanted to go after... people for political reasons, not justice-related reasons. Things are happening and they're happening fast.” (32:14)

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5. Senate Strategy: "Nuke the Filibuster"

(39:14–47:33)

• Advocacy for Ending Filibuster:
  • Trump (clip):
    • “If Democrats ever get a shot… they will use it in the first minute of the first hour…” (40:41)
  • Bongino argues for ending Senate filibuster now, using the majority to enact conservative reforms and force both parties to "own" their decisions:
    • “It creates ownership…You want to go crazy and do crazy shit, defund the police and all this stuff? The country will collapse in a year or two.” (43:32–43:52)

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6. Rewriting History and Minority Voters

(47:55–53:23)

• Discusses persistent myths, such as Republicans being responsible for the Great Depression and opposition to civil rights.
  • “Everything from the civil rights movement to the depression to national socialism to European socialism, you are being lied to.” (53:03)
• Criticizes leftist arguments for European-style governance, citing America’s higher per capita GDP and overall prosperity.

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7. America’s "Unique Evil" Debunked

(54:29–59:19)

• Plays David Reich (Harvard geneticist) explaining global patterns of violence and conquest, debunking the myth that American history is uniquely bloodstained.
  • Reich (clip): “...when we have hard data, we’re surprised.” (56:38)
• Bongino:
  • “Unlike most other societies on Earth that are still making the same mistakes, we fixed them.” (58:53)

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8. Interview: Sean Spicer and "Trump 2.0"

(64:09–88:30)

The Book

• "Trump 2.0" Premise:
  • Trump’s second term is fundamentally different—more effective because he’s learned whom to trust, how to staff, and is better prepared to deal with the bureaucracy.
    • Spicer: “I set out to answer a very simple question. Why is Trump 2.0 different than Trump 1.0...what happened in those intervening four years matters. The legwork, the planning, the plotting of who would serve in that new administration, who to keep out…” (65:07)
• Personnel Is Policy:
  • Spicer: “He [Trump] knows they get what to do and how to execute on this.” (71:59)

Trump’s Evolution as a Leader

• Bongino and Spicer agree Trump has shed his first-term tendency to include skeptics in his administration, now prioritizing loyalists aligned with his vision.
  • Bongino: “He basically extended a hand, tried to do the right thing to garner support. And what did they do as the minute he started gaining success…they kicked him square in the gonads and they screwed him over. But he learned quick.” (72:58–73:10)
• Spicer stresses greater transparency, more voices in the press pool, and the end of media message monopoly:
  • “They've added a level of transparency. And by inviting anybody who wants to cover the White House... By opening that aperture up, they have literally changed how we get information. It's healthier for democracy, it's healthier for journalism.” (79:20)

Gerrymandering Media Narrative and Minority Districts

• Spicer and Bongino decry the media’s skewed narrative, emphasizing both parties gerrymander districts and that these practices often simply serve Democratic interests, not true minority empowerment.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On the Secret Service after the Correspondents’ Dinner incident:
  “No one ever thanks you for the President getting home safe and it's okay. That's the job.” (06:11)
• On Trump’s lack of concern after being shot:
  “He mentioned it like, oh, yeah, man, thankfully, turn my head. No big deal. What else you got?” (14:39)
• On Giuliani and NYC transformation:
  “He comes in there, implements broken windows policing…transformed the whole city by saying the little stuff is the big stuff. Weird.” (19:24)
• On leftist governance:
  “Their plan is to dismantle broken windows, policing public safety, you know, civil controlling, any kind of civil disorder. They’re going to throw this all out the window.” (24:37)
• Trump (re: filibuster):
  “If Democrats ever get a shot…they will use it in the first minute of the first hour…Why wouldn’t you do it as a Republican unless you have bad motives almost.” (40:41)
• On European economies vs. US:
  “We have almost double the per capita GDP than France.” (52:28)
• On Trump’s authenticity:
  “There’s absolutely no act there at all. Accuse him of anything you want, but he’s definitely not a fake or phony.” (72:32)
• On media’s “show your ass” theory:
  “The media, their shibboleth, their code word for entrance into the media club is how mean you are to President Trump and how vindictive.” (78:42)
• Trump as comedian (re: Ilhan Omar clip):
  “But I believe she married her brother, which is totally illegal. Although it’s a lovely couple, actually. But it’s a little bit on the illegal side…” (60:47)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Secret Service, attempted assassination recap: 03:49–16:21
• Trump on body armor, humor: 15:00–15:38
• Giuliani and NYC’s decline/revival: 17:44–25:05
• Fox report on DOJ targeting Christians: 28:39–30:09
• Why Bongino wants to “nuke the filibuster”: 39:14–47:33
• Europe, GDP, and leftist myths: 51:17–53:23
• Ancient violence, America’s not “uniquely evil”: 54:29–59:19
• Sean Spicer interview start: 64:09
  • Book thesis and Trump’s evolution: 65:07–73:31
  • Media and White House transparency: 78:02–83:08
  • Gerrymandering myths/debate: 84:54–88:30

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Tone and Language

The tone is direct, urgent, humorous, and unapologetically conservative. Bongino balances sharp critiques with personal anecdotes from law enforcement and politics, using banter and humor to lighten serious topics, particularly when discussing Trump’s personality and leadership style. Sean Spicer’s participation deepens the analysis but matches Bongino’s accessible, conversational style.

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Summary Takeaways

• The left’s plan: According to Bongino, progressive policies seek to dismantle legacy policing, escalate disorder, and target faith communities—“their plan is obvious.”
• Leadership matters: Contrasting Giuliani and Trump’s transformational leadership with current leftist figures, Bongino underscores the fragility and rapid loss of societal order.
• Political strategy: Urges conservatives to act boldly by ending the filibuster and fully enacting their agenda while they hold power.
• Trump 2.0: Sean Spicer details how the second Trump administration has learned from past mistakes—staffing with true loyalists and moving swiftly on policy.
• Media revolution: New conservative and independent outlets chip away at the old media monopoly, creating greater accountability and public awareness.

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For more, listen to the full episode or grab Sean Spicer’s "Trump 2.0" to dig deeper into the themes discussed here.

Transcript

[Dan Bongino]

All America, all the time. Sit down, buckle up and get ready for the Dan Bongino show. I'm okay. I'm okay.

[Unknown Caller]

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[Dan Bongino]

Are you okay?

[Co-host or Producer]

What do you mean you're okay?

[Dan Bongino]

I know a lot of the P1s, you probably heard I was going to be off on Friday, but there are, you know, not everyone listens every day. Sometimes people listen on Monday, maybe catch up on Friday. I got a ton of emails.

[Guest or Co-host]

What happened? You weren't here on Friday.

[Dan Bongino]

I said it, but I understand a lot of people are busy. I don't expect you to like hang

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on every word for the show.

[Dan Bongino]

I was just up at an event for a friend of mine who was

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leaving his public service, worked for the

[Dan Bongino]

Trump administration and us and there was no way I could have done the show. So everything is good. But having that Friday off, there is a ton of stuff to catch up on. I was sending these poor guys emails all weekend. Their plan is Obvious is the title of the show. Did you see this immigration riot up in New York? You see what's going on here, right? This is it. This is basically the heckler's veto at a grand scale. We got that. Mayor Giuliani, pray for him.

[Co-host or Producer]

He's in apparently in a little bit

[Dan Bongino]

of rough condition in the hospital right now. Just want to speak about that for a minute because I had some experience there and that's a bigger story than I think you think. Mayor Giuliani's voice is invaluable. Got that. And also some explanations about what happened. I, I haven't had the chance to cover the new video about the White House Correspondents association attempted assassination.

[Co-host or Producer]

So I'm gonna address that as well.

[Dan Bongino]

So I've got a loaded show, a lot to get to, plus even more. We have former press secretary Sean Spicer, an amazing guy. He'll be coming on talking about his new book Trump 2.0. You're gonna wanna, you're gonna wanna check that out, folks.

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visit to Beijing, obviously in China, but there are some leftists listening so you don't really know.

[Dan Bongino]

The reason I'm showing you this is not to show you a cool video of a plane landing in China, but fairly enough. The United States Secret Service where I

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worked for 12 years is being heavily

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scrutinized now over what happened at the White House. Correspondents that are noticed, I said fairly enough. I have been one of the people

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who said hey, of course we should ask questions and I hope they have answers.

[Dan Bongino]

And the Secret Service has always been very responsible on learning things when things do go wrong. We even had a, you know, a thing like after action reports called helpful hints that would go out on email. Cuz every time you do a visit some little thing is always gonna go wrong. And you know, this was a big thing. So they are getting some scrutiny. I just wanna tell you, like there are a lot of really amazing people

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and talented people there though who do

[Dan Bongino]

a lot of amazing work. And do you realize what goes into a trip to China? I'm showing you this plane because you have any idea how much equipment is on that? That's probably one of, I think four or five that are going to roll in there. We bring everything. People used to ask me all the

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time, how the hell do you take

[Dan Bongino]

the President to the largest surveillance state in the world? One of the most powerful economies on earth, the, the Chinese Communist party run state.

[Guest or Co-host]

How do you take them there and

[Dan Bongino]

make sure they're not listening, that they're not watching, they're not recording, they're not planning some, at least some renegade fringe group not planning an attack.

[Guest or Co-host]

The way you do it is you

[Dan Bongino]

just bring everything with you. You transform your little pocket of the country, whether it's the hotel, wherever they're staying, the Mandarin, whatever the hell they're going to stay. I don't know, I'm just making it up. They just take over the whole place and they transport a mini White House. Cars, weapons, comms, equipment, everything. We use all our own stuff. That's those planes, I've flown on those planes in the jump seats. It is not comfortable. That's why you'd bring like a little yoga mat or whatever.

[Guest or Co-host]

You just sleep on the floor.

[Dan Bongino]

And the floor gets really cold at altitude too. I've been there. These guys, they do a lot of good work. So you got to take the good with the bad. You don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Thank you to all the men and women there who do serve and keep the President safe. But the old adage we used to have in the Secret service is, you know, no one ever thanks you for the President getting home safe and it's okay.

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That's the job. That's the job.

[Dan Bongino]

But we are going to look at this video. Now having said that. So I started off with some good news. I'm always going to give you both

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sides of it, especially having worked there.

[Dan Bongino]

But I can't let loyalty get in

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the way of, of some, you know, of the news cycle. We have to be objective.

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Before I get to that, if I

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don't mention this, I think the guys inside will be a mutiny. They'll be like to organize a union, they'll start striking or whatever, which is, you know, it's, you can do that, that's fine.

[Dan Bongino]

Whatever. It's May the fourth.

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He had to put out these little star. Oh no.

[Dan Bongino]

Come on. You got.

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Really?

[Dan Bongino]

They got me in the obi Wan attire now too?

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These.

[Dan Bongino]

I did not authorize this on the show. That. No, no, I'm not a talented lightsaber. I did not do this either. He was. Who is this?

[Co-host or Producer]

Why is this a stormtrooper? This is obviously Boba Fett. I know the emperor. And then we got the white stormtrooper here too.

[Guest or Co-host]

Oh no.

[Dan Bongino]

It's going to be some like SPLC thing.

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Maybe they'll invade the studio.

[Dan Bongino]

There's a black and a white stormtrooper.

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I'm sure this become an SPLC event coming up soon. So it is May the fourth. It's like a Star wars international holiday. So to all the Star wars fans in the chat and very nice guys you get. I am not nearly that good looking. So I appreciate all. If you're missing this, go to Rumble and you'll see what I mean on Apple and Spotify.

[Dan Bongino]

Getting back to the serious stuff, the Secret Service, their job at a site is to mitigate threats from what I

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would call the big six.

[Dan Bongino]

There are a ton of threats, but the big six, you have to prioritize a tactical assault, a medical emergency, a cambio attack, an IED or vbied, airborne, an airborne attack, planes, drones, whatever it may be. And then I, I put the F in there is fire, earthquakes, like geologic type stuff. Those are the big six. You have to have an A to

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Z plan for all of those big six.

[Dan Bongino]

Now there's an argument to be made that the President was evacuated safely at the Correspondents Dinner and that the inner perimeter held. But I think there's very little doubt that we have to rethink how we do the middle perimeter, including serpentine slowing down. But you shouldn't allow people to run up on you like that because if there were people following through, say there were 10 or 30 members of that of an attack team, this would have been a lot different. So I know they're going to learn from this. But this came out this past week and I didn't get to comment on

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it because I was off on Friday.

[Dan Bongino]

It's video of one of the Secret Service canines and it looks like you'll see the subject walking through the doorway there. Call Allen. And you'll see the dog following through

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the doorway and then comes back out.

[Dan Bongino]

Now, I know there was a lot

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of speculation on Twitter or elsewhere and to be fair, the dog walks out of the Then you'll see the subject called Alan run through the door, and obviously you know the rest.

[Dan Bongino]

So you see him walk through again,

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keep this running on vo, if you could, just for a minute or two,

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you see, and I don't know what the dog does there. He's out of the frame for about

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a second or two and it comes back in.

[Dan Bongino]

I was not a K9 handler. However, we worked with the K9 handler

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units all the time. We had to be intimately familiar as lead advance agents.

[Dan Bongino]

I was one of them. On how they work. There was some speculation that the dog

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may have been interested in the ammunition and the gunpowder.

[Dan Bongino]

That is not typically the case.

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They are around ammunition and gunpowder all the time.

[Dan Bongino]

They.

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I mean, they're perfectly capable, of course, of sniffing out this stuff, but they

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don't typically alert to that. I think what happened here and any canine handler in the chat, you are free to jump in. However, again, just given my experience working with them, there's a lot of airflow

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that comes in through doorways and hallways.

[Dan Bongino]

Did the subject have some residue on him from handling something? Maybe. Did the subject alert the dog for other reasons? Was it some kind of pheromones he was giving off? I don't know. The dog is interested, but it could just be the doorway. I'm not telling you that this wasn't. Obviously, the subject should have alerted folks, and there probably should have been some kind of a response here earlier. I'm just telling you, like, I see a lot of the Internet speculation and the dog does. I'm not going to say what it is, obviously, but a canine dog is trained to do a very specific thing if it senses something like an explosive. And the dog, from what we see in the video, does not do that thing. I'm just going to make this up with it because I don't want to tell you what it is, and you

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may probably already know. I'm probably not classified, but it's still. I don't want to put it out there.

[Dan Bongino]

Say the dog would whatever wags its tail 20 times in this direction. You don't see that happen.

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It's a lot simpler than that, but

[Dan Bongino]

you don't see that happen. So I'm just. Again, I'm just putting information out there. This will be scrutinized.

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Obviously, the Secret Service director's on it.

[Dan Bongino]

They're looking at it. Now. Here's another thing that came out this past week I didn't get to comment on. Judge Jeanine Pirro has the case out of D.C. she's the D.C. united States Attorney. Her office released some video of the subject in the case. You can see in some of this stuff looks at, he appears to be casing out the location in advance. You know, looking at this, this is a good argument for what I had discussed when this happened.

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What is it, a week and a

[Dan Bongino]

half, two weeks ago now?

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Time just flies by. You see him now, the subject walking

[Dan Bongino]

by, giving a little like nod to people walking down the hallway, clearly casing out.

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What, what was he, was the route,

[Dan Bongino]

and he goes in the gym, looking around in the gym, was he looking for a place to change to get

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to put together the firearm?

[Dan Bongino]

I guess we'll find that out during the trial or during some of the documents. However, my point on this is that both the hotels and the private entities that we use and Secret Service are going to have to expand their personnel

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dramatically when a presidential visit comes.

[Dan Bongino]

And they're going to have to expand the counter surveillance footprint. The counter surveillance footprint is meant to counter surveillance like this. This guy's surveilling the scene. That's what he's doing. And the Secret Service has teams, but their manpower is not great. They just don't have a ton of resources. And you know me, I'm not a throw money at it guy problem. However, this is a resource problem. There's simply no doubt about it. They just don't have enough people. If you had had people out there in advance in some undercover capacity roaming the hallways, this guy may have at a minimum alerted some people who would have been like, hey, what's this guy roaming around the gym for? What's he doing? Suspiciously looking around, asking questions. Just an idea. Again, Monday morning quarterbacks. Everybody can be one, but I feel like it's the responsible thing to do to both celebrate the work, but also discuss how it can improve and get better a little bit.

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And you see, of course, obviously the magnetometer is coming down early. I hope that changes. I think we're going to have to.

[Dan Bongino]

Now, when the president is off premise

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premises, that's when the magnetometer comes down.

[Dan Bongino]

And you know, they'll probably say, well, we had another one. I get it.

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I understand.

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I'm just saying I think that's probably

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going to change for the future.

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Because also remember, it's not just that the other magnetometer is down, it's that it distracts certain personnel who are busy taking down the magnetometers. You can see you got two guys

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who got to box it up.

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Those could have been two more people out there. So I think that part is Definitely

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going to change moving forward.

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Having said that, the president.

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Who? President Trump.

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I will never forget after Butler,

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he's obviously shot in the ear millimeters from being murdered and assassinated on live television.

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I mean, I can't even imagine what

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happened if he doesn't turn his head. No, I don't even want to think about it.

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I spoke to him, I think it

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was two days later at the rnc.

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It may have been the next day.

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Forgive me, I don't remember the date.

[Dan Bongino]

It was about something completely different. But I had to call him. I really was hesitant.

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The guy had just been shot in a year.

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I promise you, though, I'd have never abused the privilege. I've called him rarely, but I had

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to speak to him.

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He brought this up like nothing had happened.

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When I tell you, like, this guy

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is as cool as the other side

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of it, like a satin pillow.

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I am not messing with you.

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He gets shot in the ear.

[Dan Bongino]

He has this existential life crisis where 1 millimeter in either direction and he's dead.

[Guest or Co-host]

And he mentioned it like, oh, yeah, man, thankfully, turn my head. No big deal. What else you got? Like, that was it. I only bring that up because you

[Dan Bongino]

had another assassination attempt. He's in the Oval Office and a reporter asks him about wearing body armor. And this is just classic President Trump. Here's President Trump's answer.

[Co-host or Producer]

Check this out.

[Sean Spicer]

Is there talks about you potentially wearing a bulletproof vest moving forward, given you have now been shot at.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

I don't know if I can handle looking 20 pounds heavier. These guys, they look so good. Some of these guys. Some of these guys are physical specimens. Some of these guys are trouble. I don't want to be near him.

[Guest or Co-host]

I love. How do you not love this guy?

[Dan Bongino]

How does he keep getting elected?

[Guest or Co-host]

That's how people want to like politicians. This guy's got to be the most likable guy if you're not a left wing lunatic. He's just hilarious, you know, I don't

[Dan Bongino]

want to look at it, gain any weight.

[Guest or Co-host]

Great point.

[Dan Bongino]

By the way, in the chat. Arctic Connor. Hey, Dan, what about using AI ahead of a visit to analyze video for potential threats? Arctic Connor. Art icon or. I don't. I'm sorry, I don't know where the break is in there.

[Guest or Co-host]

Absolutely fantastic suggestion.

[Dan Bongino]

I hope some of the Secret Service people are listening. They may already be working on that project. So I don't know. I don't. They may already be doing it. That is a fantastic idea. That is exactly what I would be good for. You're in an open space in the hotel hallway. We're not using it in people's hotel rooms. There's no rep. Reasonable expectation of privacy in a public hallway or out in front of the hotel. You are 100% correct.

[Guest or Co-host]

Whose movement patterns are different? Who's moving furtively.

[Dan Bongino]

Absolutely awesome idea.

[Guest or Co-host]

But that's President Trump. He is a transformative figure in American

[Dan Bongino]

politics like we've never seen. I'll get into that with Sean Spicer later, too.

[Co-host or Producer]

That's great. I love crowdsourcing. Man, you guys are fantastic in the chat. I don't know what I do without you. Maybe changing the course of the Secret Service. Someone may be looking at that now.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm not sure though people understand also the. Because as time goes by, people, people forget. I mean, think about it, right? About political figures. They just do.

[Guest or Co-host]

One of the most transformative political figures

[Dan Bongino]

in American history is a president. I'm absolutely sure if you were to ask a thousand people, a good chunk

[Co-host or Producer]

of them have no idea who he is. They're probably mostly libs because you conservatives read up in your stuff.

[Dan Bongino]

However, James Polk, like James Polk. No, I'm not kidding. James Polk, like the entire western portion of the United States would probably be different if it wasn't for Polk.

[Guest or Co-host]

And yet he's almost never spoken about ever.

[Dan Bongino]

People just forget over time.

[Co-host or Producer]

I got this friend one time, he asked me about all seven legacies like you make.

[Dan Bongino]

Legacy, my ass. He's like, you know, two generations from now, I won't even remember your name.

[Guest or Co-host]

Probably right?

[Dan Bongino]

Live your life, enjoy yourself, do the right thing.

[Co-host or Producer]

Legacy, now, just do the right thing.

[Dan Bongino]

I bring that up because an American

[Co-host or Producer]

hero, Rudy Giuliani, as you can see from this Fox report, is apparently in the hospital in critical but stable condition. I woke up to this this morning and was horrified. Folks, Rudy Giuliani is one of my one, maybe my, Maybe my political. If I had to rank him, he's easily one or two.

[Dan Bongino]

I don't know. I mean, Rudy Giuliani, I worked for

[Co-host or Producer]

him as a police officer.

[Dan Bongino]

I didn't work for him directly.

[Co-host or Producer]

I mean, he was the mayor. I mean, you know, you know, he wasn't talking to me. Hey, Dan, I was a rookie cop.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm going to tell you something.

[Co-host or Producer]

Was one of the greatest honors of my lifetime.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm not sure you understand how transformative

[Co-host or Producer]

a figure he was, folks.

[Dan Bongino]

He had that Trumpian attitude where like, we're just going to come in here

[Co-host or Producer]

and break stuff and fix it and make it even better.

[Dan Bongino]

And it was. Nobody knew what to do with him, by the way. New York City media, Al Sharpton and others accused Rudy Giuliani of the exact same things. Are accusing President Trump of fascist, Nazi, racist, all that shit. It was all over the New York City media every single day. Giuliani's approach that without public safety, you have nothing. You have nothing. If people aren't safe to do business, there's no business. If people aren't safe to send their kids to school, they won't go to school. If people aren't safe to open a supermarket, the supermarket won't open and people won't eat. That's it. He comes in there, implements broken windows policing with. With William Bratton and Jack Maple, who was the first deputy commissioner of the nypd, where they said, no, we're not going to let you pee in the street. We're not going to let you, like, out there, you know, disorderly conduct, harassing people. We're not going to let you jump the turnstile.

[Guest or Co-host]

We not letting that happen. That stuff was all overlooked. He came in there, transformed the whole city by saying the little stuff is the big stuff. Weird.

[Dan Bongino]

President Trump and his FBI and DOJ and his DEA and his US Marshals,

[Co-host or Producer]

it wasn't just us implemented the exact same approach.

[Dan Bongino]

I talked about it on Sean Hannity's

[Co-host or Producer]

podcast, which is close to a million views now. Oh, man. Thank you, guys. I did not put this in the show. Oh, that's a really great picture. There's Rudy Giuliani and me at the 911 memorial the day after with Charlie there. I. Gosh, what a great picture. I was just telling him, look at that smile on his face. That's really cool, guys. I'm glad you had to. You found that. I didn't even realize that was out there.

[Dan Bongino]

Can you send that to Paula?

[Co-host or Producer]

I need that. Yeah, I need that. I told him what an honor it was to work for him. Oh, there he was on the podcast. Mr. Mayor, I really hope you pull through. I mean, this New York City and the model of this country is in a. I'm telling you right now, this country's in a far different place because of you.

[Dan Bongino]

Everything we did at the FBI and

[Co-host or Producer]

I appreciate the very nice tweet by Director Patel, who's fantastic. But Director Patel and I will both

[Dan Bongino]

tell you, without the model Rudy Giuliani

[Co-host or Producer]

set in New York of broken windows, none of that ever happens.

[Dan Bongino]

I want to remind you, too. After 9 11, at the end, towards

[Co-host or Producer]

the end of his second term, I

[Dan Bongino]

mean, the end end, Rudy Giuliani could have Been taken to a bunker as 911 is happening.

[Co-host or Producer]

I remember 911 vividly. I was a young agent. I was only out of training a couple of years, a year, actually.

[Dan Bongino]

Rudy Giuliani stayed down there.

[Co-host or Producer]

And this is what real leadership looks like. Here's a reminder of what it looked like on 911 with the great Rudy Giuliani. Check this out.

[Rudy Giuliani (clip)]

So people should remain calm. They should remain where they are, except if they are in southern Manhattan. If you're below Canal street, you should walk out of southern Manhattan and walk north. What these people are doing right here. All that we know right now is that two airplanes struck the two large towers of the World Trade Center. We spoke to the White House. There also apparently was an attack on the Pentagon. We ask that the airspace around the city of New York be sealed by military aircraft. We've been informed that it has been. And we've seen military aircraft up in the air. So we're hopeful that right now things are secure. We need all of the open space we can get to evacuate people, to get people out. And we're going to have to move now and go north.

[Co-host or Producer]

I can't thank you enough, Mr. Mayor. I really can't pin my microphone there. Guy was amazing to work for.

[Dan Bongino]

And let me throw one more thing

[Co-host or Producer]

in there because I want to contrast this with the news going on right

[Dan Bongino]

now with a guy on the other

[Co-host or Producer]

end of the spectrum, the pathetic, revolting

[Dan Bongino]

Mayor Zoran Mamdani, who is the exact opposite of leadership. This guy is totally full of shit. You want to watch the city deteriorate? Good, you're watching it right now. I don't. I grew up there. I love New York City.

[Guest or Co-host]

New York City. I love you. You were my home.

[Dan Bongino]

I was born there.

[Guest or Co-host]

I was raised there. My wife, when she left Colombia, she was there from. She lived in the Bronx, she lived in Queens. We are New Yorkers. What are you doing in this great city? Giuliani showed you the way, man.

[Dan Bongino]

Now you see this? I'm going to show you this Fox report here in a minute. An immigration riot as they try to clean up the city. Get a handle on the massive illegal immigration problem. Cities being taken over by illegal immigration and what's happening? You got riots.

[Guest or Co-host]

Why do I bring this video up?

[Dan Bongino]

Because in the Giuliani days, the mayor

[Guest or Co-host]

before Giuliani was who?

[Dan Bongino]

Any of you remember, folks in the chat, who remembers New York City history?

[Guest or Co-host]

David Dinkins. Dinkins was like a communist himself.

[Dan Bongino]

He was like the pre mom, Dhammi Mamdani. He was so bad, they Called him Stinkins.

[Guest or Co-host]

Giuliani beats Dinkins. He loses to him the first time,

[Dan Bongino]

beats him the second time.

[Guest or Co-host]

David Dinkins, when there was a riot

[Dan Bongino]

going on in New York, is alleged to have been like, oh, let them kind of blow off some steam kind of thing. Giuliani took a different approach to rioting in New York City. You know what his approach was?

[Guest or Co-host]

What do we do with the first

[Dan Bongino]

guy who throws a rock? We arrest him. What about the second guy? You arrest him, too. What about the third guy?

[Guest or Co-host]

There is no third guy because you've arrested the first two throwing rocks. That's why Giuliani had the whole riot situation contained.

[Dan Bongino]

He's like, we ain't having that shit in my city, no way. I don't care what the damn media says. Now, you see this in New York, where the place, folks, it took decades for Giuliani, decades of damage for Giuliani to fix. And it can just be dismantled in minutes with mom, dummy. Look at this crap. You see this? This is just insane. This. You're going to see this all over New York City because this is their plan. This is why I titled the show this. Their plan is to dismantle broken windows, policing public safety, you know, civil controlling, any kind of civil disorder. They're going to throw this all out the window.

[Guest or Co-host]

And it can be dismantled so quickly,

[Dan Bongino]

because I lived through it. It took Rudy Giuliani eight years to get the city. It was back quickly to, like, sanity. But to get it back to flourishing took a long time. This guy's going to rip this thing apart.

[Guest or Co-host]

You believe this?

[Co-host or Producer]

The answer is, you better, because it's happening right now. I'll say again, the power of prayer is magical. Say a prayer for one of the political heroes of our generation, the great Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Love you, man. A lot of, like, manpanion love right there. All right, I'm going to take a quick break here.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm going to show you what's going on at doj because this is really important, ladies and gentlemen. There's a very important post for the. Nothing is happening Doomers again. The transformation is happening. It's going to take time, but it's not going to take a perpetual amount of time. It's already in the middle to middle end stages, even after a year. And it's going to pay massive dividends. So much so the New York Times is whining about it in a tweet.

[Co-host or Producer]

What is it?

[Dan Bongino]

Stay tuned.

[Co-host or Producer]

I'll get to it in a second. Hey, one of the most beautiful Moments of the year is sharing life changing news.

[Dan Bongino]

Well, maybe you've seen it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Family gathered around the table. Someone stands up and says, next year there'll be a brand new mom in our family. We have a very special experience going

[Dan Bongino]

on in our studio.

[Co-host or Producer]

I will leave the names out of it, but it's so wonderful to watch every stage of life in the womb, or that's what they are, the stages of life. There's nothing like it. But for some women, women, Mother's Day feels very different. Instead of celebrating, they're carrying a secret. They're afraid, unsure, alone. That's why preborn, preborn exists. We love preborn here.

[Dan Bongino]

Because when a woman sees her baby

[Co-host or Producer]

on an ultrasound and hears that tiny heartbeat, it could double the chance she'll choose life.

[Dan Bongino]

This Mother's Day, you can help to

[Co-host or Producer]

be the reason a scared young woman becomes a confident mom. This is an amazing organization. Just $28 provides one ultrasound.

[Dan Bongino]

That's less than a dollar a day

[Co-host or Producer]

and it could save a life. About that for $28 or $140 reaches five mothers. Preborn empowers women to be mothers. And it's only the beginning because this moment leads to real support. Maternity care, baby clothes, diapers, counseling, and so much more. This is a fantastic organization. Support life. You'll never be on the wrong side of the moral curve of history there. This is why when we do it together, provide ultrasounds, we will save lives.

[Dan Bongino]

To get involved, simply dial £250 and

[Co-host or Producer]

say the key baby. That's £250, keyword baby or visit preborn.combongino that's preborn.combongino thank you. Preborn Support life. You'll never be on the wrong side. Thanks, preborn. £250 keyword say keyword baby.

[Dan Bongino]

Thank you, folks, things are happening.

[Co-host or Producer]

I've said to you over and over again, you can choose to join the doom and goom cloud. That's up to you. I've just never been like that. I've always said, you know the Milton Friedman line, you know, when you talk about liberty, talk about it with a smile. You live in the greatest country on earth at the greatest time. To be alive during the most transformative

[Dan Bongino]

presidency in United States history. I am. The greatest honor of my life is having worked for Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump. Watching New York City transform and the United States transform like that, it's just been incredible. But you've got a group of people

[Co-host or Producer]

out there who want you to believe nothing is happening. People are sitting on their asses. And I'm going to show to you that that is nonsense. So first I'll give you the bad news first. Another explosive Fox report came out this weekend about prior Department of Justice leadership

[Dan Bongino]

under the Biden administration doing something totally expected of them.

[Co-host or Producer]

Of course targeting Christians. Of course you would expect they would do that. They just hate Christians.

[Dan Bongino]

They hate religion. They just do. They can't stand any power greater than the state and religions competition for the far leftist. Here was a report on Fox about this. And just to show you that things are happening in response to this, I'll

[Co-host or Producer]

show you a follow up a tweet by the New York Times after this.

[News Reporter]

But check this out of justice led Task Force to Eradicate Anti Christian bias released 14 findings that paint a picture of the Biden presidency that went beyond disagreement and moved to punishing Christians who held conservative religious beliefs in conflict with the administration's pro choice gender ideology agenda. The report found the Biden DOJ brought multiple cases against pro life activists, many of them Christians, under the Face act. The freedom of access to clinic entrances. Email correspondence shows prosecutors privately mocked Christian pro life views as culty and pursued more severe charges and harsher sentences for peaceful protests. Are pro life defendants

[Dan Bongino]

Totally, completely, unsurprising. Religion, faith, God is an anchor in your life is competition for what? The state. The left loves the state. Progressives, communists are all euphemisms for the same thing. The left loves the state.

[Co-host or Producer]

They worship the state. They genuflect in front of it. They don't worship a God.

[Dan Bongino]

Their God is the state.

[Co-host or Producer]

And that's a small G.

[Dan Bongino]

Now here's

[Co-host or Producer]

the problem with this because again, I'm just here to be real and give you the truth.

[Dan Bongino]

There is a thing and I want

[Co-host or Producer]

you to, you know, again, tattoo this on your brain so you understand how prosecutors work.

[Dan Bongino]

Whether it's an assistant district attorney, a

[Co-host or Producer]

district attorney, a United States attorney, an

[Dan Bongino]

assistant United States attorney. They have this thing called prosecutorial discretion. It's very simple to understand. They are in no way obligated to prosecute a crime. There's no law against them not doing it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Okay?

[Dan Bongino]

If the United States attorney in a specific area issues what's called a declination letter, they can do it for a thousand reasons because they have prosecutorial discretion.

[Guest or Co-host]

I'm not telling you the reasons are legitimate.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm just telling you they can do it. They can say we don't have enough manpower. It didn't meet some economic loss threshold when I was working credit card fraud cases as A young Secret Service agent we used to go to this guy Joe, he was the intake a USA and edny, Eastern District of New York. And he'd say, I'm sorry, it's just not enough loss. We don't have enough United States attorneys for it. He'd say, go ask the state and locals. So there's nothing illegal about it. Now there is clearly something unethical about using prosecutorial discretion to prosecute people for their religious beliefs. Clearly. But a lot of people did a

[Co-host or Producer]

dance around it and tried to cover their tracks.

[Dan Bongino]

There may if there's some criminality over there, let's hope they're digging into that.

[Co-host or Producer]

I'm obviously on the outside now.

[Dan Bongino]

However, the New York Times is freaking out because this Department of Justice formerly under, under Pam Bondi, now under Todd Blanche, this Department of justice has moved a whole boatload of people out. Peter Baker at the New York Times is losing his mind over it. So again, like it's weird how you see like the doomer classic. Well, nothing's happening really. This is the New York Times whining about what's happening.

[Guest or Co-host]

So which story is it?

[Dan Bongino]

As Trump turns the Justice Department into an instrument of political retribution, more than a quarter of its lawyers have been fired or quit. Keep this up for a second, guys.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's a large number folks.

[Dan Bongino]

Why would they quit? Maybe they wanted to use their prosecutorial discretion to go after Christians and this DOJ wasn't having it. Some 3,402 lawyers out of a total of 12,955 left the department since the beginning of last year. Now, yeah, obviously it's going to be manpower turnover, but ladies and gentlemen, people are policy. And I'm going to tell you something, you may have lost a couple of good people out there left for other reasons. However, a good chunk of these people that left left because they wanted to go after. In using prosecutorial discretion people for political reasons, not for justice related reasons. Things are happening and they're happening fast. It's only been a year. I bring that up in context, tie in the show and weave in everything together in the context of Rudy Giuliani's New York City. Because I remember as a citizen in New York what it was like when he first got in there. When he first got in there, was it 92?

[Guest or Co-host]

The city was.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm sorry folks, it was a total mess.

[Guest or Co-host]

It was an absolute disaster.

[Dan Bongino]

They had something like 2500 plus homicides a year.

[Guest or Co-host]

It was insane.

[Dan Bongino]

The bond market had left, it went way to London.

[Guest or Co-host]

It was just Crazy. There was garbage everywhere. Squeegee men trying to wash your windows. Eight years later, after this man's leadership and he had to move a little

[Dan Bongino]

slower because he had a Democrat city council and elsewhere.

[Guest or Co-host]

President Trump's been able to move quickly

[Dan Bongino]

at kind of lightning speed, even without the Senate, which we have, but we don't have a filibuster proof majority still. He had a Mousseau, but it took him a long time and the city was in a better place. I just don't want you to lose the big mo momentum for the midterms and fall into this doomer trap.

[Guest or Co-host]

Nothing's happening.

[Dan Bongino]

Yes. Call for accountability, ask the questions.

[Guest or Co-host]

We did it at the beginning of the show.

[Dan Bongino]

But give a balanced perspective on this stuff as well, or else all you're doing is alienating people on hyperbolic language. Nothing is happening. And if something happens, you just ignore it. I can't emphasize it enough, folks.

[Guest or Co-host]

This is the single biggest problem we

[Dan Bongino]

have right now in our conservative movement is internal attacks from inside the tent. That's why, by the way, I am

[Co-host or Producer]

all in on nuking the filibuster.

[Dan Bongino]

But before I get to that, there are still obstacles we're going to have to deal with in the justice system. Now, obviously the judiciary is a separate branch of government than the executive.

[Co-host or Producer]

The President, doj, FBI.

[Dan Bongino]

However, there is a big problem out there right now. You know it, I know it, and we're going to address it right now. Judge Jeanine Pirro was on Fox this weekend talking about this with regard to the Federal Reserve investigation, ladies and gentlemen, the judge, Judge Jeanine in D.C. has prosecutorial discretion. I know you liberals only like that when they go after Christians, but she has every right to look into potential fraud in the massive cost overruns in the construction of the Federal Reserve building.

[Guest or Co-host]

She has every right to do that. I know you don't like it. Nobody gives a shit what she you like. She is. That is perfectly within her purview to do that.

[Dan Bongino]

And a renegade judge took it upon himself to take over basically executive branch

[Guest or Co-host]

powers and squash the judge's subpoenas to

[Dan Bongino]

gain records to look at this. Don't mess with the judge because she's not having any.

[Co-host or Producer]

Vince. She's part of a separate branch of government.

[Dan Bongino]

She's entitled to speak her piece too. Until we get better judges in there, better that respect the Constitution and are not political actors, we're still going to have this obstacle. Not an excuse, just an explanation.

[Co-host or Producer]

Check this out.

[Haley Caradilla]

Jerome Powell at the Fed. He will no longer be the Chairman, that will be Kevin Warsh. But he is going to stay on there as one of the board members. You have until May 4th to decide whether you're going to appeal the quash subpoena against the Fed for information you're looking for. That's on Monday. Have you made a decision yet?

[News Reporter]

Oh, I made a decision a long time ago, Dana. There is no question but that we will appeal Judge Bolsberg's quashing of our subpoenas, requesting information. You've got billions of dollars in cost overruns on a very small project. And when a federal judge believes that he can stand in front of the door of the grand jury and prevent a prosecutor from going in, when the United States States Supreme Court has said the prosecutor can go in on suspicions or rumor, we've got to appeal that decision. And we will appeal that decision. We await the decision of the Inspector General, Michael Horowitz. And based upon that decision, we will then decide what we're going to do again.

[Dan Bongino]

That's going to be a big obstacle going forward. We've already seen it with a number of high level indictments.

[Co-host or Producer]

That happened when I was at the FBI.

[Dan Bongino]

You know, you have judges getting away, getting in the way with, with I think, absurd interpretations of what they think is the law. Not an excuse, but an explanation. It's going to take time. How does that relate to the midterms? We can't lose the midterms. If we lose the Senate, we will never get another judge appointed. Listen to me, folks, please cut this clip and send it around.

[Co-host or Producer]

All the clippers out there do this stuff.

[Dan Bongino]

Please. We lose the Senate in the midterms, if even by a sliver. We will never get another judge in the Trump administration's final two years appointed to the bench. And it doesn't matter what the DOJ or FBI or DEA or Marshals or ATF does.

[Guest or Co-host]

It doesn't matter. It's going to get blocked by activist judges.

[Dan Bongino]

We have got the flags in the chat.

[Co-host or Producer]

Damn right.

[Guest or Co-host]

We have got to hold the Senate

[Dan Bongino]

and keep the House.

[Guest or Co-host]

We have to. It's not an option. Do not fall into the doom and gloom trap.

[Dan Bongino]

Thank you, folks in the chat.

[Guest or Co-host]

Flags in the chat. We cannot lose.

[Dan Bongino]

That is also unintentional, but I got

[Co-host or Producer]

to say, pretty good segue.

[Dan Bongino]

Self praise sucks. Aunt Jane said it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Aunt Jane. Love you, Aunt Jane, God rest your soul. She was my godmother, my mother's sister. That's why she's Aunt Jane. We loved her. She had the best house parties growing up. Christmas, remember Families used to get together. Now everybody's on like social media, sending each other like TikTok videos. Get back to that. It's great.

[Dan Bongino]

Big family parties. I'm serious. Get a keg of beer.

[Guest or Co-host]

I'm not kidding. We used to get like an old nasty kegs.

[Dan Bongino]

They were horrible.

[Guest or Co-host]

No drinking and driving. Get yourself an Uber.

[Dan Bongino]

No excuses. Use the greatest social lubricant of all time and just have a good time with your family. Go on to music. I remember my aunt used to love

[Co-host or Producer]

the Duke of Earl. Remember that song, Duke of Earl? And then she play some Rod Stewart and everybody be dancing. I sound like an old guy now. Reminiscent about the Halcyon days.

[Dan Bongino]

Okay, back to the serious stuff.

[Guest or Co-host]

This is why your host Dan Bongino

[Dan Bongino]

is all in on nuking the filibuster, folks. This is President Trump at his finest. He's asked a question in the Oval about nuking the filibuster and he does not hold back. I get it. I know some, I don't want to say establishment figures because I don't mean it as an insult, but some old guard Republicans are saying the Senate's meant

[Guest or Co-host]

to be the cooling chamber. We nuke the filibuster. They're better at big government than us, folks. They're better at big government than us. Regardless, they've already moved the needle. We've done very little outside of the

[Dan Bongino]

BCA and the tax cuts to control government spending.

[Guest or Co-host]

So why not nuke the filibuster, which the Democrats, the second they take over, are going to do anyway? How do we know?

[Dan Bongino]

They've already told us they're going to do it. I may play that clip tomorrow.

[Guest or Co-host]

They've already said they're going to nuke the filibuster. If we do it now, we have a few months left with a majority only on the Senate, where we could move on. Just massive regulatory reform, tax reform, you know, economic policies, school choice, pro life. We could do it all. We have a few months left to pack it all in. And they don't want to do it because they're like, well, you know, then the Democrats might do it to us. They've already said they're going to do it to us. We might as well, in SWOT analysis, take advantage of an opportunity to mitigate the threat now because the threat's not going anywhere. You don't believe me? Listen to President Trump on it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Check this out.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Did Democrats ever get a shot, which probably based on history, sometime they will. They will use it in the first minute of the first hour. And they will execute all of the bad things. 21 justices, you know, they really like 21. I heard 13. But they really want 21 Supreme Court justices and they really want to have D.C. and Puerto Rico become states. That would mean automatic four senators go into the Democrat column and there's not even a chance that they don't do it and do it immediately. Now with that knowledge, because you could argue whether it's good or bad. But I don't think it's that much of an argument, frankly. But you could argue with that knowledge that they're going to do it immediately. Why wouldn't you do it as a Republican unless you have bad motives almost. But if we did it, we could pass one bill after the other. We could pass laws and acts and things that we never even dreamt of passing. And you know what else? We wouldn't lose for 50 years.

[Guest or Co-host]

Yes, he is correct. His instincts on this. Please listen to this guy. The president, Republicans.

[Dan Bongino]

I get it.

[Guest or Co-host]

I understand.

[Dan Bongino]

We've been doing business this way a long time. It reminds me of my time as

[Guest or Co-host]

an agent with the service when people would say, well, why do we do that that way?

[Dan Bongino]

Well, that's the way we've always done it. Well, is there a better reason?

[Guest or Co-host]

No, I heard that in the FBI too. Well, why don't we clear state warrants? Because we've never done that before. Well, why not? Well, we're doing it now. Just because you've done something in the past doesn't mean it's correct in the accurate way to do things. I get it.

[Dan Bongino]

This is not in the Constitution, the filibuster.

[Guest or Co-host]

It is a practice that's been abused by Democrats. This is not the right way to operate. They are going to nuke the filibuster anyway. Here's here.

[Co-host or Producer]

Listen to me.

[Guest or Co-host]

This is why this is so critical. You nuke the filibuster, you've now created

[Dan Bongino]

ownership in the Senate.

[Co-host or Producer]

What do I mean?

[Dan Bongino]

Pay attention to this.

[Co-host or Producer]

This is really important.

[Dan Bongino]

You've now created ownership. The Democrats now, the Republicans in the Senate now, even though they have the majority but not a filibuster proof majority, every time they don't get something done, they can blame the demo.

[Co-host or Producer]

Oh, they're just blocking us with the filibuster.

[Dan Bongino]

You have a majority rules in the Senate and we have the majority. Voters will go crazy if we don't pass stuff. You're not going to be able to blame folks in the chat. Is this making sense?

[Guest or Co-host]

You're not going to be able to

[Dan Bongino]

Blame the Democrats anymore.

[Guest or Co-host]

This is a convenient pressure valve for Republicans who just don't want to do big things.

[Dan Bongino]

Tax reform, pro life, concealed carry, all

[Guest or Co-host]

of the stuff we've dreamed of.

[Dan Bongino]

School choice.

[Guest or Co-host]

They just don't want to do it. Not all of them.

[Dan Bongino]

Not a good Republicans out there.

[Guest or Co-host]

However, there's a limited pocket of people who just want to play cute. You're not going to be able to do that. You own it now. It creates ownership. It also creates ownership for the Democrats. You want to go crazy and do crazy shit, defund the police and all this stuff? The country will collapse in a year or two.

[Dan Bongino]

You guys will lose forever, just like

[Guest or Co-host]

Dinkins did in New York, because you'll own it. You're not going to be able to blame Republicans.

[Dan Bongino]

Oh, Republicans blocked our agenda. And the filibuster said we would have done it.

[Guest or Co-host]

You got to do it. You're doing it anyway. It is time to get rid of this relic. I'm sorry, I know there are different perspectives. Much respect to people who have them. There's a lot of smart people in the space who've given very good, logical, reasoned arguments. But what the hurdle they can't get past is the Democrats are likely going to do it anyway because they've already said so. If they do it and we lose the Senate, you'll remember this conversation and

[Dan Bongino]

be like, we should have listened.

[Guest or Co-host]

And by the way, we better do it now while Trump still. President Trump still has the initiative, contrary to the doom and gloom out there,

[Dan Bongino]

that President Trump is done. He's so unpopular.

[Guest or Co-host]

It's all BS, folks. They're just making that up. The numbers don't add up.

[Dan Bongino]

We've been told President Trump's historically unpopular with the black community.

[Guest or Co-host]

President Trump has been transformative with the black community. He's gotten the most number, percentage of black votes than any Republican running for president by far, ever. If this guy's a racist, racist, fascist, he's clearly the worst racist fascist we've ever seen.

[Dan Bongino]

All right, Dan, Receipts, receipts, incoming. Here's a CNN clip about exactly that

[Unknown Caller]

we're seeing right now in the numbers is President Trump and the Republican Party are chipping away at the law advantage that Democrats have had with black voters with African Americans. You can see it right here.

[Co-host or Producer]

Look.

[Unknown Caller]

Trump's approval among African Americans at this point in term one, he was at 12%. You know, he's been losing ground with a lot of.

[Dan Bongino]

He's gaining.

[Unknown Caller]

He's gaining ground with African Americans. He's up to 16% at this point. And you Say this isn't that big of a shift, but I will tell you, Republicans absolutely love this shift that's going on because Democrats have had such a long term advancement. The fact that he's actually gaining ground versus where he was in term number one. This has major implications for elections down the line because Democrats, especially in a lot of these tight races, you talk about places like Georgia, right down in the south, you see this type of movement for Trump actually gaining ground, this could have major ramifications and could help put Republicans over the top in a number of Southern places in the midterm election.

[Dan Bongino]

Hat tipvertonnews Another great site, Western Lensman

[Co-host or Producer]

Maze, more Grabian, all of Tom Elliott.

[Dan Bongino]

Just video receipts.

[Guest or Co-host]

There you go. If he's so unpopular, how come he's gaining ground with black voters? How, how come he's gaining ground, folks,

[Co-host or Producer]

if we're going to do it, nuke the filibuster. You got. I.

[Dan Bongino]

You got to move, you got to move your front lines in now. We don't have a lot of time to Senator Thune and others.

[Co-host or Producer]

I get it.

[Dan Bongino]

At least implement a talking filibuster, please.

[Co-host or Producer]

I'm not going to get into the Republican on Republican. It's not.

[Dan Bongino]

There's so much, I'm just telling you, like something, something's got to give, man. Unless you have some kind of ironclad, which wouldn't be ironclad because they're Democrats and they'll just change your mind anyway, agreement that they're not going to nuke the filibuster lady, which you can never enforce because new people are going to get voted in. I see no reason why we wouldn't do this. Now listen, one of the problems we've

[Co-host or Producer]

had, and I got Sean Spicer, Press

[Dan Bongino]

Secretary from Trump 45 coming up regarding

[Co-host or Producer]

his new book Trump 2.0, coming up in just a few minutes. You're going to love that interview. We get into all of it, new media, Nick Shirley, independent journalist, going to love it. Ladies and gentlemen, the problem we have had with black voters, Hispanic voters to a lesser degree, but still there, Asian

[Dan Bongino]

voters, Jewish voters, Muslim voters, Arab voters,

[Co-host or Producer]

Persian voters, hate me.

[Dan Bongino]

Blanket them all into one group. By the way, you know, Jamaican voters are different from voters from Rwanda. Don't like simplifying the melanin content of people's skin. That's a leftist thing. However, for the sake of simplicity, when you're talking minority groups, however granular you want to get, the problem the Republican Party has had with minority voters in the past is not one of Their own doing. Yeah, we probably could have done a better outreach job. I get it. But folks, the hard reality is having been a candidate in a state with

[Co-host or Producer]

a significant black population in Maryland, I

[Dan Bongino]

knocked on a lot of doors.

[Co-host or Producer]

Prince George's county is one of the wealthiest, largely black counties anywhere in the country. I knocked on a lot of doors when I ran for Senate in Maryland. A lot.

[Dan Bongino]

Thousands. And I was just stunned how many black voters I talked to like actual human beings. Not one, not two, not 100, like thousands between county fairs and door knocking who are absolutely convinced that the rewriting of history the media has done in

[Co-host or Producer]

the Republican Party is true.

[Dan Bongino]

It's just made up. I'll go through some, just quick examples. The Great Depression. Oh, the Republican Party. For people being poor. They didn't get in the way of fdr. And the government saved everyone in the Great Depression. No, the government caused the Great Depression. The recession after the stock market crashed. There were a lot of factors that went into that. I wouldn't simplify it saying was the government. The extended recession that turned into the great. Not so Great Depression that my grandparents lived through, that was the government that did that.

[Guest or Co-host]

Just look at the data.

[Dan Bongino]

We were recovering from the stock market crash. I played that Thomas Sowell clip a few weeks back covering this.

[Guest or Co-host]

We were recovering until big government got

[Dan Bongino]

involved and started screwing with the economy.

[Guest or Co-host]

And then it turned from the recession to the Great Depression. That wasn't a Republican thing, that was a Democrat thing. They didn't help us, they hurt us.

[Dan Bongino]

The whole idea that national socialism, the Nazi party was like a right wing phenomenon.

[Guest or Co-host]

No, it wasn't right wing. National socialism has socialism in the title for a reason. What do you think the Nazis did? They did the same thing the communists did. They may have called it something different, but they fought with social. That was a power equation. That wasn't an ideological difference. They both owned and took over the means of production for government purposes. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, all of them. National Socialism is a left wing phenomenon. Concentrated state power, period. Anyone telling you other one otherwise is bullshitting you. The civil rights movement, that was Republicans fighting against Democrats. Black voters have been told forever that there was some kind of like the civil rights. We were fighting against those evil Republicans. Where did that happen? That's total bullshit. It was the Southern Democrats we were fighting. Republicans led the civil rights movement. It's like, are you serious? There's more European socialism.

[Dan Bongino]

You'll hear now. Like, oh, European socialism. Now this is the. This is. They tell black voters, Hispanic voters, minorities, we need more of Europe in our lives. We need bigger government like the Europeans.

[Guest or Co-host]

Who do. Europeans are poor. Look at you guys beat me to the punch. These guys are getting good.

[Co-host or Producer]

Who is that?

[Guest or Co-host]

Andy? Who did that? I didn't even usually. I got to give him the point. Joseph Sternberg, Wall Street Journal. What happens when Europeans find out how poor they are? Folks, this is real, like, real numbers. The widening gap between American and European

[Dan Bongino]

prosperity is among the most important Facts,

[Guest or Co-host]

facts, facts of the global economy. Listen to this.

[Dan Bongino]

For all those Democrats telling minority voters and elsewhere we want to be more like Europe, you sure? The clearest manifestation is the kasm in per capita gross domestic product, $94,400 in

[Co-host or Producer]

the United States according to the International Monetary Fund, not some right wing organization,

[Dan Bongino]

by the way, compared with 65,300 in Germany, 61,000 in the UK and 52,000

[Guest or Co-host]

in France, ladies and gentlemen, we have

[Dan Bongino]

almost double the per capita GDP than France.

[Guest or Co-host]

And then when you ask Europeans, where

[Dan Bongino]

would you fit in if you tiered yourself amongst the 50 states, where do you tier yourself as Europeans in rankings? Like, who are you in front of and who are you behind amongst the 50 United States?

[Guest or Co-host]

Most of them will tell you this

[Dan Bongino]

was an actual poll. They'll say, oh, we're probably just behind like New York and California. No, no, they're barely ahead of our poorest states.

[Guest or Co-host]

Barely. Barely. You have been lied to.

[Dan Bongino]

And by the way, this isn't just minority voters. I'm just bringing this up in context of Trump has the initiative right now. He has unbelievable Hispanic black support which is going to help him move the needle. I'm just telling you everything from the civil rights movement to the depression to national socialism to European socialism, you are being lied to.

[Guest or Co-host]

Europe is practicing everything.

[Dan Bongino]

Right now Mamdani is doing in New York City in contrast to Giuliani, and

[Guest or Co-host]

Europe is getting freaking smoked.

[Dan Bongino]

They are getting smoked like a bad joint. I don't know what that's like.

[Co-host or Producer]

I never smoked a joint. I didn't. I didn't.

[Guest or Co-host]

I did not.

[Dan Bongino]

I don't know what that feels like.

[Co-host or Producer]

Never tried any of these gummies or anything like that.

[Dan Bongino]

I don't know what that feels like. People tell me you get paranoid. I don't want to know.

[Guest or Co-host]

Europe is poor compared to us.

[Dan Bongino]

Let me just give you the counter argument. Sternberg mentions it in a piece. I didn't throw it into bread. Some of them will say, well, the United States, sometimes the GDP per capita numbers are skewed by a number of big companies that exist in the United States.

[Guest or Co-host]

No shit, Sherlock. Why don't they exist in Europe? Because Europe's regulatory red tape, you know, national socialism, socialism, democratic. So whatever euphemism you want to want for collective government prevents them from going there. That's not an argument. It's an argument for us, not for you.

[Dan Bongino]

I'm going to show you one more argument here. Because when they can't win on the data, hey, Europe's great. We should be like them. Europe's poor. Oh, okay. Well, the United States is uniquely racist, so you should hate them anyway. Wait, what? The progressive left and the Communists want minorities to believe we are unique. Whether it was slavery, the fight for rights, or Jim Crow. They want you to believe the United States was uniquely bad. These are horrible stains on our history. No doubt.

[Co-host or Producer]

We all understand that, all of us,

[Dan Bongino]

that is this period of full stop

[Co-host or Producer]

is ever going to get however they

[Dan Bongino]

need you to believe that the United States is prosperity and we're so successful because we're uniquely evil. We were the only ones who did these things. That is not true, folks.

[Co-host or Producer]

Dwarkash Patel did a podcast with this guest, and he was amazing on the show.

[Dan Bongino]

Elon Musk had retweeted this.

[Co-host or Producer]

This is where I saw it, but

[Dan Bongino]

this is what I'm talking about.

[Co-host or Producer]

By the rewriting of history,

[Guest or Co-host]

you would

[Dan Bongino]

be led to believe by people who

[Co-host or Producer]

want to tell you that America's a stain on the world, that, gosh, you know what?

[Dan Bongino]

Violence was so unique. Like the American Indians that were here before us, they were all living here peacefully, you know, smoking the peace pipe around. Listen, there were a lot of horrible things that happened. The Trail of Tears, we get it. We understand. We've all been taught that in school.

[Guest or Co-host]

But let's stop pretending that violence was unique to America. The idea of an act of initial aggression to take over a piece of

[Dan Bongino]

land and hold it is unique to

[Guest or Co-host]

the United States is totally, completely fabricated out of bullshit. Just about every society, state, collective, group of people, tribe, or elsewhere has had to engage in violence or mass violence

[Dan Bongino]

to gain or hold land.

[Guest or Co-host]

Acting like the United States is unique in this equation is not matched up by history at all.

[Dan Bongino]

You doubt me? Listen to every second of this clip. Because the historical data about relics they find when they do excavations tells a completely different story.

[Co-host or Producer]

Check this out.

[J]

Ancient DNA has been very disruptive to conventional understanding of the past. Because after the Second World War, there had been a reaction where people said this initial idea that people had in the beginning of the 20th century, when people would see new types of pot. This is the arrival of a new people coming through invasion or through movement. And that was used by, for example, the Nazis to argue that these were spreads of Aryans moving across the landscape. And the reaction after the Second World War was to say, we don't know this. And in fact, when you see the arrival of new types of material culture, pots, for example, or tools or ways of organizing life, you might be seeing is more the spread of culture. You might be seeing, for example, something like people copying use of a cell phone or how could there be a big movement of people. You're looking at densely settled Europe with well developed agriculture. How could it be that new people coming in from outside will unseat these people, disrupt these people? But then you look at the genetic data and there's a 50%, 70%, 90% population disruption. What happened when we had these findings was some of our archaeologists, co authors, really just were very distressed by the implication one way or the other, you have some kind of people who expand demographically and displace people somehow rapidly displace people over a period of well less than a century. Today in Colombia, 95% of the Y chromosomes are European, 95% of the mitochondrial DNAs are Native American. We know what happened there. It wasn't friendly, it wasn't peaceful, it wasn't nice. We really don't know what the past was like until we actually look at it and have hard data telling us what it's like. Our guesses, our models, including many of mine, are likely to be wrong because we can see that. Because when we have hard data, we're surprised.

[Dan Bongino]

That was David Reich. Just talking about facts, folks, however uncomfortable they are to hear. Human beings have been warring with each other, killing each other, taking over land and holding land way before colonials made

[Co-host or Producer]

it to the United States and Europeans landed at Plymouth Rock.

[Dan Bongino]

Stop pretending like what happened here was

[Co-host or Producer]

some unique stain on human history. There were a lot of stains on human history.

[Dan Bongino]

They're not unique to us. And unlike most other societies on Earth that are still making the same mistakes, we fixed them.

[Guest or Co-host]

You have any idea how many people

[Dan Bongino]

died in the Civil War? The bloodiest battles in U.S. history and the bloodiest days in U.S. history were in the Civil War. Frequently left out of the conversation by

[Co-host or Producer]

history professors and others. We're uniquely evil. Cut the bullshit.

[Dan Bongino]

That is not true, man. This is the real world.

[Co-host or Producer]

Some Mickey Mouse novel. Cut this shit, man. I'm tired of hearing it

[Guest or Co-host]

before I

[Co-host or Producer]

get to Sean Spice. Right. Sorry, but I need to, like that

[Dan Bongino]

always gets me upset.

[Co-host or Producer]

The rewriting of History by goofballs and people who don't do their homework. Government fixed the Great Depression. Yeah, good job. Yeah, good job in the chat. Tear it up. Damn right.

[Dan Bongino]

President Trump's a guy who doesn't take

[Co-host or Producer]

a lot of bs.

[Dan Bongino]

I told you before, man, this guy,

[Guest or Co-host]

I think this guy.

[Dan Bongino]

I have some real, you know, Aaron

[Co-host or Producer]

Wexler's really funny comedian. There was that guy Ben. Is it Ben Banko?

[Guest or Co-host]

Ben.

[Co-host or Producer]

Brad. These guys are just hilarious.

[Dan Bongino]

And ladies, they're really. I love comedy. I hit a kick out of it.

[Co-host or Producer]

Sebastian Maniscalco still cracks me up.

[Dan Bongino]

I saw him live in concert. Dude was freaking hilarious. His opener was really funny too. I forget the guy's name. He was talking about hotel towels. How when you're home, you'll use a towel like 40 times until it walks away itself and then you go to a hotel and you just look at a towel and you throw it on the floor. I thought that was like the best observational comedy bit because it's so true. I think Donald Trump has a career in comedy. When he's done, if he's interested, this guy can sell out arenas. Just riffing. Here he is at an event talking about Ilhan Omar and the brother marrying episode. Ladies and gentlemen, this is just an instant classic.

[Co-host or Producer]

Want to Talk about Trump 2.0? Check this out.

[Dan Bongino]

She married a brother to come in.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

I don't know, you know, you're not. But I think I would imagine they're looking at her. I have nothing to do with it. I would imagine. Of course I have nothing to do. I have nothing. But I believe she married her brother, which is totally illegal. Although it's a lovely couple, actually. But it's a little. It's a little bit on the illegal side. Darling, I love you very much. Good night, brother. Let's go to bed. Isn't she despicable? I can't stand watching.

[Dan Bongino]

I can't stand.

[Guest or Co-host]

Motley's in the chat, tearing it up.

[Dan Bongino]

The guys inside. I look over there and you know,

[Co-host or Producer]

these guys are always like paying attention to the show.

[Dan Bongino]

Everybody's sitting up. We've heard this like 20 times. Because we've, you know, I played the clip, we cut the clip. We do a pre show review. A pre, pre show review. We've seriously seen this 20 times.

[Guest or Co-host]

It's still.

[Dan Bongino]

We got a guy in there with like 30 monthlies. I've given up on the 5 monthly

[Guest or Co-host]

limit that this guy, if he wanted

[Dan Bongino]

to be a comedian, he could. The body armor line.

[Guest or Co-host]

Why is he so likable? Because he's got the genesis quoi. One thing the French is good at

[Dan Bongino]

are the genesis quoi. What's the genesis quoi? I don't know. Some of you will get that joke.

[Guest or Co-host]

If I knew it, I bottle it,

[Dan Bongino]

I'd write a book. 12 steps to the Genesee Qua. The guys just got it.

[Guest or Co-host]

Good night, brother.

[Co-host or Producer]

Good.

[Dan Bongino]

All right, quick break and then we

[Co-host or Producer]

have our guest, Sean Spicer. I'm really looking forward to this interview. We're going to talk about his new

[Dan Bongino]

book and independent journalism.

[Co-host or Producer]

Nick Shirley, what it was like to be the press secretary. Don't miss it.

[Dan Bongino]

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[Co-host or Producer]

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[Dan Bongino]

Today the former press secretary to the president, United States Donald J. Trump, and

[Co-host or Producer]

an unbelievably talented content creator himself.

[Dan Bongino]

Books, a podcast, been on cable television. Sean Spicer. Sean, great to welcome you to the show.

[Co-host or Producer]

Thanks for being here.

[Sean Spicer]

Thanks, Dan. I follow in your path, so I appreciate all of your advice and everything you've done to get that path cleared a little for those of us who are behind you.

[Dan Bongino]

Oh, thanks, buddy.

[Co-host or Producer]

Listen, we saw the podcast trend early, and I really enjoyed writing books.

[Dan Bongino]

And speaking of which, you have what I hope to be a bestseller in your new book. It's called Trump 2.0. That is the title of the book. The book is an incredible look on Trump 2.0. But I say that because you know, the New York Times, Sean, no matter. You could sell 400,000 copies and the New York Times will have some reason to try to keep you off the list. So tell us about the book and about your little battle with the list here, because everyone knows what happens with that.

[Sean Spicer]

Yeah, well, hopefully the numbers at some point, you can't lie. There's obviously, as you know from, from all your experience, there's the number of books you sell, which is sort of like how you finish a race, either your first or second. The way the New York Times ranks books, they go, well, the third place guy ran nicer than the first place guys. We're going to give him the gold medal. So you're always trying to figure out, can you sell enough books and they care where you sold the books or did you sell it at some point. Highfalutin Upper east side bookstore versus on Amazon, where most people go. So thanks. Everyone's going out there. But, but Trump 2.0, first of all, I will, I will point out President Trump wrote the foreword to the book. It's, it's right there in red. And, and he told me it was a very nice cover. To which, Dan, I said, yeah, because it's your face. And he said, that's right. So you can't miss that. But basically, I set out to answer a very simple question. Why is Trump 2.0 different than Trump 1.0, which I served in, as you mentioned? And I answer it in a very, I think, succinct way, which is the four years out of office are huge in understanding why Trump 2.0 is more successful. What happened in those intervening four years matters. The legwork, the planning, the plotting of who would serve in that new administration, who to keep out. And I go through each of the different areas. There's a whole section that you and Cash are part in about the intelligence, the military, how we approach different things. Think about the choice just in that alone. When President Trump came into office, they said, oh, Jim Comey is gonna be a great. You know, you gotta keep him on. He's great. And it took him a while, President Trump a while to realize that guy's not a good guy. I can get my own guy in there. And then, you know, people recommended somebody that probably wasn't the best guy. The president now knows in Trump 2.0 who the kind of people are that are important to keep in and almost as importantly, who to keep out. But the legwork that was done by groups, America First Policy Institute, Heritage Foundation, America First Legal, all paid off. And I go through each of the areas and explain how that mattered and why it mattered. On a personal note, I have to say, right as you were deciding to segue back into to this, to your show and give us great content every day, I had to go through and, and make sure that I updated all of the positions because I had all this great stuff about the work that Dan Bongino had done. So it was updated to reflect that you had. But right when the.

[Donald Trump (clip)]

Right.

[Sean Spicer]

When we're about to go to final print, they go, we're hearing that Dan Bongino wants to go back and take over his show again. And I went, oh, God. So you kept me on my toes.

[Dan Bongino]

Well, thank you, buddy.

[Co-host or Producer]

That's very nice. You.

[Dan Bongino]

I think you're right. And one of the beefs I had with people when President Trump announced he

[Co-host or Producer]

was going to run for what is

[Dan Bongino]

now term 47, and I'm glad that

[Co-host or Producer]

your book confirms a lot of this

[Dan Bongino]

was a lot of folks were saying,

[Guest or Co-host]

sean, well, he's going to be termed out.

[Dan Bongino]

He's not going to do anything.

[Guest or Co-host]

I said, that's the point. He's. He's learned all of these invaluable lessons.

[Dan Bongino]

Personnel, the bureaucracy, the swamp was coming from how the media operates. That's all gone. He's got it down. He's now starting at a 98 to get to 100, not a 70 to get to 100.

[Guest or Co-host]

And he has zero pressure for reelection at all. The case I made is I said, you're looking at this thing all wrong. And now your book documents at Trump 2.0.

[Dan Bongino]

Sean, listen, the word transformative is indisputable.

[Co-host or Producer]

The first year of his presidency, correct?

[Dan Bongino]

Democrat or Republican Democrats may think transform for the bad. I don't agree, obviously, but the fact that Donald Trump's first year has Completely rocked the boat of D.C. politics. Maduro, Iran, you know, inflation being tame, the border crime rates lowest in US History. I mean, it goes on and on and on. There is zero disputing the impact of his first year.

[Guest or Co-host]

None.

[Sean Spicer]

I'll keep going. Naito. Trade, education, corporate America. Dan, let me tell you a funny story. I mean, like, to go. Trump in the first four years never went. Never went to the Kennedy Center. Now it's named the Trump Kennedy Center. He moderated the Kennedy Center Awards, right? He literally was on stage on CBS being like, up next, Lo Cool J. Like, this is a guy who went from not going to it to renaming it.

[Dan Bongino]

And.

[Sean Spicer]

But part of the reason that that's important to understand is I signed on to a case called Spicer v. Biden when he kicked me off, When Biden kicked me off of the board of the U.S. naval Academy, that President Trump, that case. So I know in the book, I get a call from a Washington Post reporter, and he says, sean, do you have a comment about the Kennedy center and the board there? And I said, I gotta be honest. I'm not. Why are you calling me? Because I was on Dancing with the Stars. Like, why do you think I care about the Kennedy Center? I'm not really a ballet guy. And. And he said, no, no, no. President Trump just fired the entire board of the Kennedy Center. And their response was, because of the precedent set in Spicer v. Biden, we cannot do anything about it. And that case was brought by Stephen Miller's organization, America First. Legal Right. But without that transformation that four years, we wouldn't have President Trump remaking what is now the Trump Kennedy Center. But as I mentioned, you know, the border, NATO, defense, trade, even the FBI. Think about it. You and cash and what you guys have done. The crime rates are down, the ability to go in and put a focus back on eradicating threats to the homeland, those are things that weren't happening. This is so different because he had time to think. And when I talked to him about this and the Oval Office, at first the President said, well, Sean, you're. You know, we had a great first term. And I said, Mr. President, this is not about. You know, there were challenges that we faced. I don't want to take anything away from the accomplishments of the first term, but it's different because you could stop and think. Every other president but one in the history of the United States who has had two terms have been sequential. Monday becomes Tuesday. The same Treasury Secretary and Secretary of State all stay with him. But think about how different Trump 2.0 is. And then like I said, the whole point of Trump 2.0 is to answer that question. Why? Why is it different? I mean, he knew Jim Mattis for probably a total of one hour before he named him Secretary of Defense. He's known pete hegseth for 15 years. Very different dynamic. He knew you and Cash for years and he trusted you. And that's the difference. You guys didn't need to get a memo about the America first agenda. And what was like, you were like, got it day one, let's go. That's the difference. The people surrounding him, he's chosen. He knows they get what to do and how to execute on this.

[Dan Bongino]

And Sean, you know, you were talking to Sean Spicer.

[Co-host or Producer]

The book is Trump 2.0.

[Dan Bongino]

Go pick it up.

[Co-host or Producer]

Make it so. The New York Times cannot ignore this incredible book. We need more of them.

[Dan Bongino]

Sean, you were there. And I've spoken about this often.

[Co-host or Producer]

I don't, you know, flexing is always ridiculous.

[Dan Bongino]

I have a pretty good relationship with the President. I wouldn't say like we have coffee every day, but we knew each other well, had a couple of private dinners together. And I mean, a couple like not 20. But he's the same as, you know, behind the scenes as he is. There's absolutely no act there at all. Accuse him of anything you want, but

[Co-host or Producer]

he's definitely not a fake or phony.

[Dan Bongino]

But the phone, first term 45. I think he really tried to be kind of, he tried to kind of cross the divide. And he took like almost a Lincoln team arrivals approach.

[Guest or Co-host]

You know, I'm going to look at

[Dan Bongino]

even a Mitt Romney for a certain position. Thankfully didn't happen, however, but I'm going

[Guest or Co-host]

to appoint people who may not have liked me. And he basically extended a hand, tried

[Dan Bongino]

to do the right thing to garner support.

[Guest or Co-host]

And what they do as the minute

[Dan Bongino]

he started gaining success, the border wall, rebuilding the military, the tax cuts, they kicked him square in the gonads and they screwed him over.

[Guest or Co-host]

But he learned quick.

[Dan Bongino]

I mean, he's the you're fired guy. He's like, you're out. We're moving on. And I agree with you. That's why Trump 2.0 in this just

[Guest or Co-host]

first year has been like the equivalent

[Dan Bongino]

of like an eight year, good, solid conservative term because he came in there and already knew, like, I'm not making that. I'm not making that mistake. I'm going with my gut now and

[Co-host or Producer]

we're getting our people in there.

[Sean Spicer]

Yeah, Most presidents try for a signature event Over a term, something they got done. Not only did he get that with the big beautiful bill, but we've just noted, I mean, whether it's Maha, the intelligence, NATO, trade, he's getting a job done in every single area. But to your point about the people, he, he, I think Trump, and rightly so, approached this like I won. People get it. Here's what I campaigned on. Anybody who joins, I mean, if you go work for Dan Bongino or Sean Spicer or whomever you go to any job, you get the joke, which is you're there to advance the agenda. President Trump I don't think fully appreciated and neither did I or anybody that these people who are joining, half of them said, great, now I'm going to go stand in the way and obstruct the President's agenda of this duly elected guy this time. And this is what makes the difference in not just the cabinet, but the senior staff of Trump 2.0. When you are joining this administration right now, you understand that your job is to advance what this president campaigned on and promised to the American people and deliver results. The last time, whether it was the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, they thought it was to prevent him from actually implementing this. And they stood in the way and, you know, he extended a hand. But the one thing that I touch on is that the guy's a businessman and he thought, okay, this is a deal, I'm going to bring you in, but we're all committed to getting the agenda done. He didn't realize that this is not business in politics. A lot of these guys joined his administration expressly to stop it.

[Dan Bongino]

Yeah, no, I, listen, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, when we got in there, day one on the job, I had about a 300 day plan. From the time I was appointed to

[Co-host or Producer]

the time I exited.

[Dan Bongino]

I figured we had the first hundred days to go in there, evaluate, learn, see, was wrong. 100 days to implement the changes and then another hundred to solidify them and put in guardrails. And I think it worked out perfectly. But, Sean, I was very clear from day one that, hey man, listen, this is not your FBI guys. I don't know how many times I got to tell you this. I mean, if you're the shortstop for the Yankees, you don't own the Yankees.

[Guest or Co-host]

You'll find forever be a Yankee like Sean Spicer will forever have been a part of the Trump administration.

[Dan Bongino]

I remember those days. I loved having you up there. But you didn't.

[Guest or Co-host]

It's not about you. Like, it was about the President. And like, these guys were there for them. I told them, I said, guys, in the conference room, we had a big

[Dan Bongino]

conference room with a double door.

[Guest or Co-host]

You don't like the president's agenda, you're not. This is not indentured servitude. Walk out the freaking door. The president's appointed an attorney general. The Department of Justice is on the

[Dan Bongino]

top of the FBI seal, not the bottom.

[Guest or Co-host]

That's his attorney general. They have an agenda, and we're going to move on it. You don't like it, get the hell out of here. And I think you're right.

[Dan Bongino]

The first term, in contrast to the second term, too many people didn't get that 100%.

[Sean Spicer]

And that's the thing. The guy was elected. So for all these people who care about democracy and the rule of law and all this, and somehow when he got elected, the American people spoke. Then somehow people felt like, okay, well, I know better. I'm going to come in and obstruct. No, that's not the way it works. If you don't like it, move along. Go out, try to elect your own person at some point. But while that man is elected, the job is to execute on the agenda that he promised the American people. And that. That goes for members of Congress and Senate and governors. That's how it works. If you don't like it, to your point, no one's forcing you to take these jobs.

[Dan Bongino]

Leave.

[Sean Spicer]

But, but, but what I love, Dan, is that we. When you go to a Cabinet meeting, some people mock them. I love them. You go around the table and it's accountability central. He's like, all right, Lee Yelden, what have you done for the environment? And your turn. And everybody is on camera saying, here's what I did in the past. It's like a report card. I love this. Because the biggest mistake that the media makes with respect to the people is they go, they're loyal. I'm like, okay, a dog can be loyal. What they are is disruptors. They are getting the job done. And I make the case in Trump 2.0. Each one of these guys has got to be accountable to the President as to what have you done in your area to move the America first agenda forward and to further the promises that he made to the American people on the campaign trail. And every single one of them is getting the job done. You don't see these stories in Trump 2.0 about rogue people writing anonymous in the New York Times about how they're trying to obstruct stuff. They are getting the job done and if they're not, they're getting moved along.

[Dan Bongino]

Sean, as the press secretary, the first

[Co-host or Producer]

press secretary in Trump, 45, I mean, nobody knows battles with the media better than you. I have a visceral response to a

[Dan Bongino]

lot of what's going on in the left wing media. I'm trying to be a little more non emotional about it as I get older. It's difficult, especially having been like you,

[Co-host or Producer]

the subject of a lot of their attacks. However, you had to deal with them every single day.

[Dan Bongino]

Yeah, I have this theory on the media. Like, listen, they obviously did not like Reagan, they didn't like George HW they hated George W. They hated even candidates of Santorum, Huckabee, Cruz, Romney. You get it. The list goes on and on. But the response to President Trump has been just different. And I have a theory on it.

[Co-host or Producer]

I call it jokingly kind of show your ass theory.

[Dan Bongino]

It's like the media, their shibboleth, like their code word for entrance into the media club is how mean you are to President Trump and how vindictive. So they're constantly like showing their butts and like one upping each other. Like, well, they'll imply, if not directly say it, they'll be, he's a racist. And I'd be like, well, he's a fascist racist. And then he's like, he's a double Nazi fascist racist.

[Guest or Co-host]

And it's really hard.

[Dan Bongino]

Like some of your fights with the media were legendary, but it's really hard to get out facts and data. Like when you were lobbying for, you know, the tax cuts and everything, when their response to everything is he's a racist, he's a fascist. It's just really difficult. And I think this is just a different media ecosystem.

[Sean Spicer]

Well, there's three things I'd say in response to that. Absolutely right. They literally, and I think part of it comes down to all of Washington. Why they don't like them is because every politician of both sides, the ones that you mentioned, are Republicans, but equally of Democrats. The media loves to be loved. They want to be wanted and they want to be powerful. And so do all the lobbyists. And so they power, as you know from your time here, everything is centers on power and proximity to power. And when the media don't feel like they're being loved and sucked up to, then they revolt because they're like, well, if you're not kissing our butt, then there's a problem. And so you're right, reflexively, that's an Issue number two, one of the things that's very different I talk about this in the book, is that when I was the there, I would look out from the podium and there might be two non enemy faces, meaning they weren't always the nicest people, but they weren't there to kill me. Caroline, when she looks out, she has added a level of transparency. And by, by inviting anybody who wants to cover the White House, when you go to a briefing there, there's everybody from, you know, Turning Point USA and Lindell TV have a correspondent. The Daily Wire, the Daily Signal, the Daily Caller. We have a much broader ecosystem so that they can't be as dishonest as they were. They've added to the pool coverage of this. So the changes have been real. And I document all of Those in Trump 2.0 about why this matters because for the longest time their goal was to manufacture what you saw, read and heard. Right? So if the New York Times and the NBC and Politico are the only ones in the pool, the group of select reporters can go in the Oval Office or ride on a force one, then they're going to dictate what every one of us Americans actually sees, reads and hears. By opening that aperture up, they have literally changed how we get information. It's healthier for democracy, it's healthier for journalism. But Dan, it was funny. There was a point yesterday, the day before NBC did this report and said President Trump, they were chasing the speaker of the house down from NBC, this reporter and he said, Mr. Speaker, the Constitution requires the War Powers act to be addressed within 60 days of of war being declared. Well, first of all, take aside the fact that we haven't declared war, I texted this NBC reporter and I said, could you please show me in the Constitution where it mentions A, the War Powers ACT or B, 60 days notification. Crickets. There's no such provision in the Constitution of the United States. None. They, they will literally make up crap, spread misinformation and lie to advance an agenda that is anti Trump. They'll say whatever they have to with reckless amendment and then go out and talk about the Constitution, democracy, the First Amendment and how everything is being threatened despite the fact that they are the problem.

[Dan Bongino]

Yeah, Sean, given your perspective as the

[Co-host or Producer]

first press secretary, I'd like to get your your thoughts on this. Number one, you had a different question in mind, but you kind of cued spurred me onto this one as well. When you mentioned the fact that Caroline has opened up the press room, there

[Dan Bongino]

was a lot of hyperbole.

[Co-host or Producer]

And hysterics.

[Dan Bongino]

Oh my gosh. Journalism's going to collapse. It's going to be conspiracy theories. These guys and ladies from the Daily Signal to Turning Point to Lindell TV and elsewhere, like, they've done a pretty darn good job. They've asked some pretty incredible questions. The Pentagon briefings too. So first, your thoughts on that.

[Guest or Co-host]

And.

[Dan Bongino]

And then second, just kind of following nicely from that, you know, Nick Shirley and the explosive growth Savannah Hernandez of Independent journalism. This is all making it really hard to maintain their message. Monopoly. The NBC, cbs, ABC thing from the Bro Call Cronkite Jennings days, like, you

[Guest or Co-host]

just can't keep the bullshit.

[Dan Bongino]

I have no going anymore because people

[Guest or Co-host]

are just gonna out you by going and filming outside the leering center.

[Sean Spicer]

It took a second to catch that one. Thank you, Nick, Charlie, for talking about learning centers. I spoke at Florida International University probably a year ago now to their journalism school. And someone said, exactly. You know, is journalism's dying? I said, it's not dying. It's flourishing. Think about these. It's just not controlled by a monopoly anymore. And that's the difference. I'll tell you this. The questions that I used to get from some of the conservative media when they would, you know, in the briefings was the hardest. You're right. I mean, they're asking tough questions. They're asking questions that are on the mind of so many Americans. I get a kick out of. I mean, back in the day, one of the reasons that Kaitlan Collins, who initially was at the Daily Caller, became such a lib is because during a press conference with the Canadian prime minister, she actually asked a question that was not about Russia and Mike Flynn, she asked a question about international trade, which actually kind of makes sense. And the press killed her. They were like, how dare you not ask about Mike Flynn in Russia? So that's. I think if you actually talk about the arc of her journey from Daily Caller reporter to left wing advocate, part of it is because she. She got the memo real quick, which is, you either play our game or we take you down. But the idea that California is now passing the anti Nick Shirley act, this guy and a cell phone literally exposed billions of dollars of fraud. And now we're trying to stop the guy. We should be giving him a medal.

[Co-host or Producer]

Yeah, he definitely transformed the entire media ecosystem.

[Dan Bongino]

I've seen it.

[Co-host or Producer]

And him and others.

[Dan Bongino]

No one has a better perspective than you. Last question. I got a couple minutes left, folks. I'm talking to Sean Spicer.

[Co-host or Producer]

If you're listening on Apple and Spotify

[Dan Bongino]

the book is out. Trump 2.0. Wherever you buy your books, go pick one up, make it a bestseller.

[Co-host or Producer]

It's a fantastic book. Can't recommend it highly enough.

[Dan Bongino]

Your thoughts on the gerrymandering redistricting wars. And I'm looking at it from the media perspective. Okay, we get it. Republicans and Democrats both do it. Stop the nonsense. We all understand, however, the media painting this like this is some kind of new Donald Trump phenomenon. When Eric Holder and Barack Obama and

[Guest or Co-host]

Democrats for decades have been gerrymandering the

[Dan Bongino]

daylights out of the United States, the

[Guest or Co-host]

entire United States, all 50 states, is just absurd.

[Dan Bongino]

This is not unique to Republicans. And we didn't start the fire, as Billy Joel said.

[Sean Spicer]

No, I mean, first of all, Elbridge Gerry is from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Like, let's just get back to when it started. Secondly, go back one cycle. Last cycle, New York tried to redistrict all of those Republicans out and the court stopped them. Okay, so just to be clear, clear. Even if you just want to look back one cycle, they started it. So this is ridiculous. And then I am here in Virginia. You want to talk about ridiculous? Okay, so they violated the Constitution in Virginia on countless things. First of all, they have to have an election and then an intervening. So a session of the General assembly, an intervening election, another. They didn't follow that, number one. Number two, the language according to the Virginia Constitution has to be considered plain English. So they call it fair and transparent. We have a 6, 5 delegation. It's now going to be 10. One. That's hardly fair or transparent. Number two, the law says you have to have 90 days from second passage. 90 days. I didn't take math in college, Dan, but I know how to count to 90. And they passed the bill in February and we started voting in March. I can do the math on that. We didn't follow that then. Then the other thing is, is that the Virginia Constitution says that they have to. All districts have to be compact. Clearly not the case. But no one gives a crap because it benefits Democrats, right? So everything that benefits them matters. Now, the last thing I'll just say on this is when all of these racially based districts were drawn, you notice that every single one of them, not just most all of them, benefit Democrats. Black Republicans win majority minority, majority white districts. So Byron, Donald, Wesley, Hunt, Burgess, Owens in Utah, John James in Michigan, every single one of them. So when the court says that we don't need to do this anymore, you realize it's not about race, it's about The Democratic Party. I said this the other day. If Democrats want to in their primaries say that if you're a minority, we're going to help you. That's right. They have a right to do that within their party. But right now the way that this was structured only benefited Democrats. That's why they cared about this had nothing to do with blacks or people of color. And by the way, they're now mixing in people of color. There's not a single person of color that's not black. There's no Latino, there's no Asian that has benefited from minority majority district ever. So the, the BS line on this is so ridiculous because they'll say whatever they have to. But when you dig beneath this, the surface and look at the facts, all this is is a way for Democrats to get a free district. That's it. Full stop.

[Co-host or Producer]

That is your point about Byron Donalds and Burgess Owens. I ran in Byron Donald's district, Naples Bonita, Cape Coral.

[Dan Bongino]

There is zero chance you're going to

[Co-host or Producer]

convince me these are largely minority.

[Dan Bongino]

These are largely white Hispanic voters voting for a qualified, smart, intelligent, conservative black man who's now running for governor. It's just such a sham argument. The book folks, Trump 2.0 by the

[Co-host or Producer]

great Sean Spicer is always been such a great friend and a great public servant as well. Thanks for everything buddy. We really appreciate you coming on. They're going to go pick up the book.

[Sean Spicer]

Thanks Sean and thanks for your service my friend.

[Co-host or Producer]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.

[Dan Bongino]

There he was folks. We're looking forward to that interview for

[Co-host or Producer]

interview for a really long time.

[Dan Bongino]

Please check out [e-mail] Haley what am

[Co-host or Producer]

I pointing to the guys for like

[Dan Bongino]

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[Co-host or Producer]

She's kicking butt too. Really appreciate it.

[Dan Bongino]

Please download the Rumble app it is free or go to rumble.com bongino click that follow button and if you wouldn't

[Co-host or Producer]

mind giving us a follow on Apple and Spotify we would deeply appreciate it as well. I hope you enjoyed that interview.

[Dan Bongino]

I will see you back here tomorrow at 10am with Dr. Marty Makari as

[Co-host or Producer]

our guest tomorrow on psychedelics, the food pyramid, hormone replacement therapy, all kinds of cool stuff along with another great show. See you then.

[Sean Spicer]

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[Haley Caradilla]

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[Sean Spicer]

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[Haley Caradilla]

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[Sean Spicer]

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[Haley Caradilla]

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[Co-host or Producer]

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