B (3:12)

So as I mentioned in my Talking points, on December 12, a group of individuals, again members of this, this anti government group, traveled out to the desert to test their explosive devices. They had precursor chemicals there and they were going to, they were going to create these, these bombs in the desert. What they were starting to do is put their chemicals and, and wares and the components out on the, on the table, on the table there. This footage that you're watching is from our surveillance plane. And then what happened after this is the Los Angeles FBI SWAT team, along with the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team moved in and arrested all four subjects. Without, without.

A (3:57)

They had a surveillance plane hovering over these idiots as they gathered, gathered in the Mojave Desert. We're going to practice with our bombs. No, we, they watched every, every step of the way. The Feds did. They got ahold of this thing, they sent people in, they arrested everybody. And that's great news. The plan apparently was they wanted to create these improvised explosive devices. They had already been building them and then target five separate locations all across Los Angeles. And they were testing these explosive devices and the feds caught them, which is great. The mug shots are as exactly what you'd expect. Crazy eyed leftists. The four defendants arrested from the Turtle Island Liberation Fund case made their initial appearances in court yesterday. All four defendants remain in federal custody. They'll be arraigned in early January of 2026. Fellas, can we pull up some of the mug shots here? I want everyone on video to see this. Rumble.com Vince and by the way, while you're here and while you're waiting for the mug shot to be pulled up, please like and subscribe to all of this so I can serve you more left wingers getting busted. Look at this chick. She looks, she looks a little surprised that she got caught. She's this. This is her foing after faing. What else do we got? Holy crap. Look at. Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes. You can fire from the moon at this dude. Look at that guy. Holy shit. That guy. That. He's got the look, ladies and gentlemen, he's. For those of you just listening, we have a dude here. Long hair, pale as anything, eyes so stinking wide it's unreal. He's. He looks shocked. Actually, I would describe him as looking shocked. Somebody said he has his drug eyes. Meth eyes, crack eyes. I'm not sure. Meth eyes. Anyway, there he is. It looks like they slammed his face into the ground or something. He's got a cut on his lip and. Is that a nose ring or a nosebleed? He's got something going on. Anyway, that's. He's a lefty. I know who he voted for. Who else do we got? We got this guy a little hard to see on video. It looks like his cheeks are a little rosy. I don't think he's. He's having a good time. And then we've got this chick. We've got. So the Asian chick that they captured at the end. She looks like she's got a lip ring and everything. She looks like she's a psychopath. Like she's enjoying all of this. You know, she kind of looks like the ringleader, honestly. Like, she's just having a great time. Anyway, so they caught all these.

B (6:18)

These.

A (6:18)

These people, and that's great news. So thank you to the FBI. A little bit of a Christmas gift for us as they stop a terrorist attack on Los Angeles by these idiots. And it really is always in the eyes. Can't you tell? You can tell. That's a real thing. You can see somebody. You're like, I. I know what this is. I know you're a psycho. Holy cow, dude. Adjusting please, we put this back up on screen. That. Oh, my goodness. I can't even. I can't even believe this is real. Yes, I can. This. You know what this reminds me of? This is, like, all the antifa people. You remember all the antifa people they were busting in 2020, all these arrests, and everybody had crazy colored hair, but they all had the same sort of crazy eyes. Like somebody drugged them out and sent them out in the street to commit crimes. That's what that guy looks like. Anyway, pray for them. Pray for them and our country. So Turtle Island Liberation Front gets busted. Thank you to the feds for capturing these guys. Great Work by the FBI, which is wonderful. Speaking of FBI investigations, the Brown University investigation continues. We're trying to get the suspect. They haven't caught the suspect yet, but authorities did release more images of of the suspect. And it looks like a dude, he's dressed in all black, he's got a mask on. He's wandering around outside of Brown University. Captured on surveillance footage from various like ring doorbell cameras and things. Here's some images, cut six, of the suspect meandering about. Higher quality images finally released. But are we any closer to catching this guy? Look how fat he is. He's got a Buddha belly. He's walking around, he's got his hands behind his back. People are trying to read into that, like as if that's some sort of cultural thing maybe. It is not clear. There are still a bunch of reports out there that he screamed Allahu Akbar as he went into the classroom and opened fire on Brown University this weekend, killing two and injuring so many others. But to this point, we still don't have authorities giving us the details. They're still not telling us what exactly happened here, which is the most frustrating thing imaginable. Like, why can't you tell us anything? You're not gonna tell us what he yelled? Don't you think it'd be helpful if they told us what he yelled inside the classroom? Maybe it would help us track the guy down. Oh, I know a guy who has that thought. Oh yeah, he looks like Jim or Mohammed or whatever. But nothing. They're just. They're really holding back on you. And the mayor continues. The idiotic Providence, Rhode island mayor continues, continues to say without any evidence whatsoever that the city is completely safe. Oh, yeah, the city's safe. I'm sorry, what? You haven't caught the suspect? What are you talking about? How can you say the city is safe? Cut nine. Here's Mayor Smiley, the moron who runs Providence, Rhode Island Watch. Intelligence led you to believe that there was no further threat to the community today. You mentioned yesterday that there was no additional evidence. Can you just expand upon that to it's the same as yesterday, which is ever since 4:05 on Saturday, which was when the first call came into Brown, there's been no new credible, specific threat anywhere in the Providence community. With respect, Mayor, there was no threats made prior to the shooting. So how can people feel safe with that information? The way in which we are trying to reassure our residents is through a noted visible police presence throughout the community. She's totally right. What an insane thing to say. Well, there have been no other known threats made to the community. The dude who shot up the classroom never made a threat until he walked in and started firing the gun. What are you even talking about? Why do you say words if they're gonna be utterly useless? I get it. You wanna try and ensure the community that you're taking this seriously. Well, then say that we're taking it seriously. What are you doing to take it seriously? We've deployed more cops. We're trying to protect the community. Okay, but don't lie to people. Oh, it's totally safe. There's no threat. There's nothing to worry about. What the frig are you talking about? You don't know anything. You don't know anything. You don't even have this guy in custody. They told us a little bit more in the last 24 hours about the gun. They said it was a 9 millimeter. It sounds like a handgun. So. Okay, so we're learning that now. It's not gonna stop the left's desire for gun control. They're gonna still push to try and disarm you of rifles. It doesn't even matter if a rifle was used in the attack. They'll try and disarm you anyway. And to that, we say, go to hell. You're not disarming us. But that is the way they always try and exploit this. The mayor of Providence already said that 48 hours ago. Now, right after the attack, he said, you know, we gotta start disarming people. Australia saying the same thing in the wake of their horrific terror attack this past weekend. We gotta disarm people even more. How about no? How about stop disarming people? How about making it so that people can defend themselves so these massacres don't get this bad? They don't become massacres. They get stopped before they do. Man, the left is always on the march. Every never let a crisis go to waste is the old Rahm Emanuel adage. Never let a crisis go to waste. Crisis happens, they take advantage of it to put you into even deeper crisis. No. No. So there you have the mayor of Providence, R.I. still has no idea what's going on. Promising that the city is safe, and they're not telling you anything. They don't tell you what the guy shouted. They don't tell you who the first person was who was killed. Who were they targeting? Even the President of the United States doesn't. You know, he doesn't know the answers to these questions yet. And this brings us to yesterday at the White House, our very own Reagan Reese, my White House correspondent, was there asking a bunch of questions that are. That you and I really would like some answers to. And thank God for her, because she was there to talk to the President. President called on her a bunch of times, which is great. And yesterday she asked, has the FBI told you at all, Mr. President, why it is hard to identify this shooter? Cut 7. Take a look at this.

C (12:27)

It's always difficult. So far, we've done a very good job of doing it with Charlie, with, you know, the various times this has happened. They've done it in pretty much record time. But you really have to ask the school a little bit more about that, because, you know, this was a school problem. They had their own guards. They had their own police. They had their own everything. But you'd have to ask that question really to the school, not to the FBI. We came in after the fact, and the FBI will do a good job. But they came in after the fact.

B (13:01)

That.

A (13:03)

The FBI will do a good job. They came in after the fact. In other words, the president's saying, look, the school really screwed up here. Where are all the camera angles on this? I mean, they don't have cameras protecting the kids on campus. Like, just surveillance cameras. Everywhere I go, I see surveillance cameras. You see this all over the place now. They're everywhere. I mean, it's not like it was when we were kids, you know, like a surveillance camera. You might have it outside of a bank or something, but have cameras everywhere. Now we have cameras everywhere. You telling me they're not on Brown? I see reports that they have hundreds of cameras around Brown, and yet no useful footage at all. What is this insanity? And so the president's kind of sticking the investigative blame directly at the source of the problem right now, which is Brown University. But is the FBI doing anything in the midst of all this? Yeah, they're helping. The FBI director, Cash Patel posted this last night to social media. He said, we got an update for you on what's going on on the Brown University shooting. At this time, the FBI does continue to act in an assisting role with the Providence Police Department leading the investigation. We will continue providing all assets, resources, personnel necessary to support. We sent additional resources and personnel earlier today that would have been Monday to help track down leads, canvas neighborhoods, and develop intelligence. Our Evidence Response Team remains on campus processing the scene, and our lab at Quantico is assisting as well. That's where they're gonna handle ballistics and things. Anything Rhode island authorities need from this FBI will be there. And he said The FBI and partners have released the new photos that we just saw.

C (14:34)

That.

A (14:34)

Right. We saw the video that I showed you on screen. The FBI is also offering a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest, and conviction of the individual. And he gives the number 1-800- call FBI. 1-800- call FBI or tips. FBI. Most importantly, please continue praying for Brown University, the victims in this horrible tragedy, and all of their families and friends. All right, so that's the readout from the FBI. In other words, are they on this? Yeah, they're on it. But the answers, again, continue to be thin. And so am I dissatisfied yet? Totally. Totally. We saw a young woman and a young man gunned down in cold blood inside of that classroom. And plenty of speculation continues to rage that she was targeted because Ella Cook. Because she is the vice president of the College Republicans. Vice president of the College Republicans. Now, having said that, I was sent a tweet this morning by the great producer Jim Verde. And this comes to us from a woman called Kathryn Boyle, talking about Ella and the loss of Ella. And here's what she had to say. Kathryn Boyle had to say. She said, this is tragic on so many levels, but one of the saddest parts of this is how increasingly rare a young woman like Ella is. Look at Ella. Look how beautiful she is. Pretty girl, gunned down in the prime of her life. Young conservative. And she says this about Ella. It's always been uncommon for a beautiful Southern and serious conservative Christian to leave her family and knowingly go to the most extreme bastion of what she disagrees with at Brown University in Rhode Island. Not to evangelize or provoke, but to merely exist as a counter to the dominant culture. But it's becoming even more rare and with good reason. Decades ago, a young woman like her would have only had to worry about social ostracism or overzealous professors holding her views and differences against her. There was a cost to going to the Ivy League as an openly conservative outsider, but that cost was mostly intellectual and social. Endure it and it would make you stronger and you'd become fluent in the ways of two worlds. Yeah, this makes sense. By the way, I'm guessing there's probably people that are in our audience right now who are listening to this, going, yeah, that's me. Yeah, I'm a conservative. Went to a left wing campus. I endured that world. I learned a lot about the way they think, and now I can kind of operate between these worlds. There are people who do this, but it's A challenge. It's a challenge. Now. Young men and women like Ella know that they can be killed for their political beliefs on a college campus, even if they're not provocateurs or influencers or public officials, just normal young people participating in a student club. She goes on, she says, I have so much admiration for 20 somethings now. The courage they need to speak up is real. They're stronger than previous generations and they're asked to sacrifice more. And the older generations are failing them. She says, pray for Ella and her family. The world lost someone of virtue who knew the stakes and paid an extraordinary price for openly stating sincere beliefs. You know, as parents, you send your kids away, you watch your kids leave, go off to school, and you have so much sadness parents have about watching their kid leave. And they think, well, I'm entering a new phase of our lives. This is the phase where they're gone, they're out of the house, they're on their own, they're doing their thing. And you worry about the decisions they're gonna make. You worry if you've prepared them well, you're thinking through like, is this, Are they ready for this? But you probably comfort yourself, or at least have in the past to some degree, knowing, well, they're with a lot of other young people, they're in a student environment, they're gonna continue to grow together, and you just pray that they succeed in that environment under those circumstances. But just, you know, some of you may be experiencing this now, but just, I mean, just imagine what it must be like now, especially if you have a young conservative you're sending off to college to a distant place. And we live in a world now where you have left wing assassins who are openly calling for the death of and acting on, bringing about the death of young conservatives like Ella. Now, we're waiting still to find out more about who the suspect is and his motivations. But there's no question he killed her. He killed her. And it's led a lot of people to conclude pretty rapidly that the threat to people on the right continues and that Ella may have been a victim of a left wing terrorism operation. And whether or not she was, this is a reminder that we live in a world where there's too many lefties who have ascribed to assassination culture way too many. Charlie Kirk was the victim of it. President Trump was almost the victim of it multiple times. And so this is why fighting for our country matters so much. We need a world where we have high social trust, where we can send our kids off to college with an expectation they're actually going to get an education in a place where they'll be safe, where they can succeed and flourish. We shouldn't have to fear that we're sending our kid off to a war zone. We shouldn't have to fear that their life may be on the line just for them to receive an education. And so as we go into Christmas and as we elevate our prayers to the Lord above, pray for the family of Ella and pray for our country and continue to fight for it. I know you will. We have the best audience anywhere, so I know you will. All right. More in a moment. I want to get into the other answers from the president of the United States. Yesterday we've got, like I said, Reagan Reese, our White House correspondent, was asking President Trump a bunch of questions yesterday, including about the blue slips in the Senate, the fact that they still have blue slips blocking accountability for left wingers who are committing all sorts of crimes in our country. And also here's a basic question, why do we have troops in Syria? I asked this yesterday on our show and then Reagan Reese asked it directly to the president of the United States. I've got all of that coming up on this edition of vince. Also, Congressman Andy Biggs will join us coming up in mere moments. 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Those soldiers are Sergeant Edgar Brian Torres Tovar, 25 years old, young man of Des Moines, Iowa, and Sergeant William Nathaniel Howard, 29 years old, of Marshalltown, two Iowa boys. And that's according to a Monday press release from the army public affairs office just released. Those of you watching rumble.com Vince, you can see their images on screen. Both of these men's lives taken far too soon in an ambush terror attack. Both guardsmen dying on Saturday of injuries sustained while engaged with hostile forces, according to the release. The service members, they say, were conducting a key leader engagement, key leader engagement in support of counterterrorism operations in the region. That's according to Sean Parnell. You know him, he's now the chief Pentagon spokesman. The army press release stated the guardsmen were engaged in assignments related to Operation Inherent Resolve, a combined joint task force aimed at countering ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq. Okay, so now the president is promised forceful retaliation as a result of all of this. And that's good. We should retaliate against terrorists and these organizations if they even dare touch a hair on the heads of our Americans. But the question still persists, why are we there? Why are we in Syria? So yesterday, Reagan Reese, our own Reagan Reese, asked President Trump this very question. Cut 10 take a listen to the president's answer. Why are we in Syria right now?

C (24:12)

Trying to make sure that there's going to be and remain peace in the Middle east. And Syria is a big part of it. The new leader is a strong person and that's what you need. This is a rough part of the world and we've, it's been amazing what's taken place in Syria. We got rid of Assad, we got rid of other people that were really bad people and that were in the way of peace in the Middle East. You know, we have legitimate peace in the Middle east, first time in 3,000 years, and we have 59 countries backing it.

A (24:48)

So his answer is the reason we've got guys that are peace in the Middle East. Now, you heard him say something in that answer that made me think even more, that we just need to get the troops out of there. He said the president of Syria, Ahmed Al Shara, is strong, and he's very committed to peace in his country. Well, if that's the case, let him deal with it. If that's the case, let Syria deal with its ISIS problem and why don't we get the hell out of there? I haven't heard anybody offer a good justification for why our guys need to stay there. The president, obviously saying that he wants peace in the Middle East. That's a noble goal. I want that, too. But again, this comes down to core points, which is what is directly in the American interest, what serves us, and why are we putting American blood on the line? As Americans, we need a really good rationale for that. And if we don't have one, get them out of there, please, Mr. President. Get these guys out of that region. There's no reason for them to be attacked like this. And now their families are not going to have them come home. And maybe, perhaps, I don't know what the families feel. I can't imagine what they're dealing with, but just from my distance, I see this and go, I don't want them to be in that situation. Are there going to be terrorists throughout the world no matter what we do? Yeah. The answer to that is yes. There's always going to be terrorism. And we need to do the best we can to put it out, snuff it out. But at the same time, why put our guys on the line? So, you know, unless we have some phenomenal rationale that the American public wants to sign up for, let's get them out of there. Let's do that. Also, the President of the United States talked a little bit about the midterms yesterday. He said he's gonna work really hard to make the midterms a referendum on his presidency. Cut three. Here's the president with what I think is a very smart strategy. Watch this.

C (26:39)

Whole election. And, you know, it's interesting, when I'm not running, we don't do as well. And I'm going to try and get that changed for the midterms. We had a great election. We won every single swing state. We won the popular vote. We won everything. And there's a thing that they have now districts, which is a big deal. I think, in a way, it's the most important stat from the standpoint of, you know, looking at numbers accurately. So out of thousands of districts, I won 2,750 versus 525. Think of that. 2,750 versus 525. It was great. That's why the map, when you see a map of the election, it's all red, other than two little narrow lines on the other side.

A (27:29)

Okay, here's the thing. President Trump says that he wants to make the midterms a referendum on him. He said that normally going into the midterms, you know, you don't have a President of the United States on the ballot, so it really affects whether or not people actually show up to vote. And in President Trump's case, that's a huge deal, because low propensity voters show up for Donald Trump, but they don't show up in other elections. This is why President Trump says next year, the midterms need to be a referendum on him. And normally the media would be the ones saying this, let's make it a referendum on Trump. Democrats would be saying that, let's make it a referendum on Trump, because they think they can win on that basis. And God willing, that's how they operate. I hope they do, because President Trump has a big opportunity here to bring people out to the polls and make it clear that if they want the Trump agenda to continue to grow, they'll vote for him. But one of the things he needs, one of the pieces of support that he needs is he's gotta get Congress to help him out. He's gotta get Congress to help him out. And that includes getting rid of the disastrous filibuster and blue slip in the United States Senate. On that issue, in a moment, we'll speak to a member of Congress. We'll get his assessment. But first, let me see. Can I play a clip here, guy? Do you think that's possible? Okay, good. He said, yes, I can. The President was asked about blue slips yesterday by our very own Reagan Reese. Should the Senate get rid of them? Are you gonna bear down on them to make that happen? Cut one. Here's the President. Doesn't seem like he wants to get rid of blue slips. Will there be consequences for the Senate if they.

C (29:04)

Well, I think they should get rid of blue slips because as a Republican president, I am unable to. To put anybody in office having to do with US Attorneys or having to do with judges. In other words, if you have one, not two, you don't need two, just one. If you have one Democrat senator, where we have a lot of them, you have one Democrat senator in a state it is not possible to appoint because of blue slips, a judge, it's not possible to appoint a U.S. attorney. You see that happening and I think it's a disgrace. I think blue slips are a disgrace. They've long since, I mean, they're not, they should not be relevant anymore. This is a different world than it was 15, 20 years ago. You know, that was a gentleman and gentlewoman world. This is a little bit different, unfortunately.

A (29:56)

Yeah. We're in a fight for our lives. It's time to get rid of the blue slip. God bless the president for saying it. The vice president said it yesterday too. More on that in a moment. Congressman Andy Biggs join us. Will joins us. We'll talk to him about that very thing. But first, I want to thank American Financing for supporting this program. The Fed dropped rates for the fourth time. It just did. And if you're a homeowner, you should call American Financing today. You could be saving real money every month. High interest debt is crushing budgets all across the country. But homeowners who act now are using their equity to wipe it out. American Financing customers are saving an average of $800 a month with some getting rates in the low fives, a massive difference compared to credit cards that charge 20% or more. Speak with a salary based mortgage consultant and find out exactly what you qualify for. There are never any upfront fees. To find out how much you could save, move quickly and you could even delay two mortgage payments, putting cash back in your pocket immediately, giving you back some of the money that you spent during the holidays. Call American Financing today. The sooner you act, the quicker you save. 888-879-6460. That's 888-879-6480. AmericanFinancing.net Vince NMLS number 182334 nmlsconsumeraccess.org APR for rates in the five start at 6.196%. For well qualified borrowers, call 888-879-6450 or American financing.net Vince for details about credit. Also, I have to tell you about Preborn Ministries. Wonderful, wonderful angels on earth. You know, this Christmas we celebrate life. We celebrate the life of Christ every Christmas. And you have a big opportunity right now to share the gift of life with a mother and her baby. Just think about a young woman who's facing an unplanned pregnancy and being unsure of what to do. Perhaps you know someone who's experienced this, that woman, that mother is searching for hope. And this is where Preborn Ministries comes in. Preborn Ministries is committed to what I'm committed to, what I'm sure you're committed to as well, which is seeing these wonderful gifts from God brought into this world and not only living, but thriving. And that's where preborn comes in. Every mother that preborn serves faces that moment of decision where she sees her baby's ultrasound. And in that critical moment, she's got this wonderful opportunity to say yes. Preborn's mission is to help her find the courage, faith and support to do that. This Christmas, for just 28 bucks, you can help save a life, a life that could change the whole world. And thanks to a special matching grant, through the end of the year, your gift is doubled. To donate, dial £250. Say the keyword baby. That's £250, baby. Or go to preborn.comevents that's preborn.com Vince, thank you. To Preborn. Great operation. All right. Joining me right now from the great state of Arizona, Congressman Andy Biggs is here. Congressman, great to have you with us on the program today. Thank you, sir. Merry Christmas.

B (32:56)

Merry Christmas, Vince. Great to be with you.

A (32:59)

The big thing that we've got coming and I've been talking a lot about in the recent weeks is we have the midterms next year. And I happen to think, Congressman, that the way that we, we can see Republicans grow their margins in Congress, which is really critical to get the Trump agenda through, is if you actually do something worth voting for. And among those things, I know you're writing this week in a new op ed on this subject, the United States Senate has some big things they've got to knock out. And I think that they definitely include getting rid of the filibuster and getting rid of the blue slip. We don't have time to waste. What do you think, Congressman?

B (33:31)

I think you're exactly right. The blue slip and the current cloture rule both, they don't require virtually any work on the part of the minority to basically kill the agenda of the majority. And Donald Trump was given a mandate, in my opinion, by the American people. He, this, he had the biggest victory in a long, long time. He took the all the battleground states and the House has done okay, not great, but okay, getting a lot of the his agenda through. Then it gets to the Senate and it just gets stuck there or else the Senate leadership on the Republican side, they actually capitulate to demands made by the minority because that's the way the cloture and the veto process works. And, and, and Vince, that it will not get the agenda through. And if you can't get your agenda through, quite frankly, low propensity voters who don't pay much attention anyway, and even people who regularly get out there say, why should I vote for the majority? What the Republicans, again, when they can't get the job done and we can't get the job done because of arcane, Byzantine, anachronistic Senate rules. And that's those two rules, the cloture and the, the blue slip, are killing us.

A (34:53)

So I get that there are still some Republicans who think that there's like some sort of good faith argument for holding on to some of this. May those. But I think those are few and far between. What I'm really bugged by, Congressman, is it feels like that there are Republicans in D.C. in Congress who are perfectly comfortable with sabotaging the President's agenda. Like, so, for instance, like, three things jump to mind immediately. One of them is the filibuster gets maintained, the silent filibuster, the cloture vote that you just referred to in the Senate. And they won't kick it down in order to get the Trump agenda through, despite the fact that they're all aware Democrats intend to do it anyway. The second they get power, they won't get rid of the blue slip, which allows Adam Schiff to have vetoes over who gets to be U.S. attorney in California, which is crazy. And the other thing is they don't go into recess. So the President's got a recess power, a recess appointment power. And the House and the Senate, the leadership of both the House and the Senate have made a decision. No, we're not gonna go into an authentic recess, which would allow the President to get his people in place. And I get it. They keep saying, like, look, we're approving tons of people. And the Senate is approving, they're confirming people. That's definitely happening. But the people that matter, the prosecutors and the judges right now, they're being blockaded by this corruption. Congressman. It drives people crazy.

B (36:08)

Yeah, it really does. And it actually, this is the problem with it too, Vince. It gives the minority the power over the majority. So we are. Our Constitution was designed for, obviously, a religious and moral people, but it's also designed for the majority to get its will. And that's why, that's why voters just say, well, why bother? Why bother? And there's so much that's missaid about this stuff. For instance, if you eliminate the cloture rule, which takes down to simple majority, and shut down a filibuster, what that does is everybody, you still keep the filibuster. It's a speaking filibuster. It's always been there. But now they don't have to go speak. They just have to say, well, we're not going to vote to, to close up filibuster. So they could stay in their office either with a blue slip or the cloture and kill it. And, and if you get rid of it and get it down to 51 votes to close down filibuster, then if you want to stop the majority's plan, you have to rise up off your behind, get out of your office and go down and speak on the floor and actually put some physical strength in there. And you know what happens if, if you're convincing enough, then, then the, the bill gets changed. If not, then you can get your agenda through. And quite frankly, this is why we have $38 trillion in national debt. It's why we have a failure to, to basically launch this, this agenda of President Trump is because of those rules. And, and, and this notion that, oh, we're doing this to save the institution. I get it. They say that we're, we're institutionalists. You're not saving the institution. You are creating and fomenting. Not creating, but you are fomenting the unit party control over Washington, D.C. and that's why lobbyist bureaucrats, the media, they all are fine with keeping it exactly the way it is, because that's what it is.

A (38:06)

Okay, so here's, here's something I'm sensing from some Republicans in the Senate, unfortunately, including people like Chuck Grassley. I just played a clip from him the other day. Chuck Grassley's been great on whistleblowers and transparency. That's all wonderful. But he said earlier this year that most of the American public doesn't even really know anything about the blue slip. And he's a little surprised people are talking about it. And then he said, in reality, it protects all of these states where the senators get to have this veto authority over U.S. attorneys. It's just a very, it's just a very condescending assessment, one that's basically like, I, you know, we're a little annoyed that the American public found out the way the Senate operates. Is, is that, is that really kind of one of the ways that people think in the Senate? They, they, they're annoyed that we're aware of how they're selling us out.

B (38:54)

Yeah, look, they breathe a different air than the rest of the world breathes. Come on. You know that they, they, they view themselves as. All of them wake up and look in the mirror in the morning. They say, this is the future President of the United States. And so, so they kind of have that attitude. But the problem with it is, of course, that you allow people who, you know, like, in my state, you got two Democrat senators, but the vast majority have a, the vast majority of the state's Republican. And we are, we are sitting there with interim attorneys general constantly in Arizona for literally years at a time. And, and this is a huge problem because it kills the consistency of public trust in public administration of the U.S. attorney's Office for Arizona. So it's a problem. But, yeah, it's rarefied error over there in the Senate, that's for sure.

A (39:51)

Well, it sure seems like it. So what do you think the White House should do about this? You know, the President has brought this up a bunch. He keeps on indicating that he's annoyed by it. I feel like he's not going the distance. He's not really going at John Thune. He still considers him a great man. He's very complimentary of him. But he keeps saying, guys gotta get rid of the blue slip. Guys gotta get rid of the blue slip. At what point, Congressman, do we move from simply friendly cajoling to saying this is existential to our country?

B (40:26)

Well, it needs to happen like yesterday. And the reason is because for any of this stuff to have an impact on the midterm election, and it is an existential threat, by the way, for two reasons. But if, if President Trump really wants to get this done, he's going to have to go on the bully pulpit super hard, like right now, Vince, because here's, here's the two ways it's existential. Number one, you don't change, you don't get the agenda going. And if you don't get the agenda going, then you move to the second existential threat, and that is you lose the midterm. And quite frankly, if you lose the midterm, President Trump's last two years are over because the, the Democrats have already got their impeachment articles drafted, they're ready to go, and they believe that they're going to get the majority. That's how critical it is that the Senate act. And then the other, the other aspect coming is, you know that the Democrats, they've already said they're going to Eliminate the cloture rule. When this, when this, when they next time they get the majority of the Senate. And if that happens, guess what? All of the policies change. You get Puerto Rico, you get Washington D.C. estates, you get a U.S. supreme Court that's packed and logged up with more than nine members. You change the very nature of the trajectory of this nation.

A (41:49)

Do you get the feeling that there are Republicans, colleagues of yours in, in either the House or Senate who prefer to be in the minority, who like not having the responsibility of the majority where you can actually affect change for the country, you can be held accountable. Like if you're in the minority, you get to be called congressman or Senator and then you don't get to do anything you have excuses for. Well, we just get to complain. Are there people who like that?

B (42:16)

I gotta believe that there are. Some people are very comfortable, you know, and I was, I was chair of the Freedom Caucus when we were in the minority before, and we pushed back everything and I actually had, you know, we were, we were asking for roll call votes on virtually everything we possibly could to slow them down, do everything we could to slow down their agenda. And I actually had Republicans come to me and tell me how irresponsible they thought that was. And so that's a crying shame to me because I believe that we shouldn't be in the minority. I believe that America is, is still a majority center right nation. And that means that you have to do everything you can to preserve that center right status, which means you have to keep the Republican majority in the House and the Senate and lay the groundworks for 2028. Because if you screw up 2026, guess what else is screwed up? The election of 2028, which is where a new president will be considered.

A (43:08)

You know, I've spent recent weeks and certainly all this year, I'm very grateful for a lot that the Trump administration has achieved. I mean, the border is secure at levels that I didn't even expect and I definitely voted for. I'm super happy about that. They are deporting a lot of people. We're nearing the vicinity of 3 million people either self deported or physically deported from our country. Those are great and important numbers. The President is dealing with an economic hangover of the Biden era that is still having real impacts on the American people that I think that they need to get really serious about. I wonder, in addition to the accountability mission that you and I have been talking about, what other priorities do you think Congress needs to take up immediately in order to make a Strong case for the midterms.

B (43:50)

Well, you're gonna have to do at least a couple of things. Number one is the health care issue because, and I'm not suggesting that you have to extend the, the subsidies, but you have to provide an alternative so that the vast majority of Americans have their, their premiums go down, they have better access to health care. And you can do that by just creating a free market system that's separate apart from Obamacare. So you have to turn down a lot of Obamacare regulations. But we have legislation to do it. I introduced legislation last week on it. I think we're going to be voting this week on a, on a bill that's going to. Largely, I shouldn't say largely, it's going to make a difference. It will actually reduce premiums by about 12%. Save $30 billion over 10 years. Now that is just, that's just little bitty parts of what needs to be, needs to happen. But, but that's a first step in the right direction. The second thing you have to do is you have to give a nod to creating affordability conditions. And that means that you have to get, it's, it's all based on energy, quite frankly. If you can lower the energy cost, all of a sudden everything else comes down by about 30 to 40%. That happens. Everything seems and is more affordable. And those two things alone will actually change whether Republicans win the midterms or lose the midterms. Rest on those things right there.

A (45:18)

You know, the health care reform thing is a huge deal. I mean, just the core point about Obamacare, Obamacare made healthcare prohibitively expensive. It's not the Affordable Care act. It's the totally unaffordable act. You know, it's not even care. It's just disaster. And so the big debate that, that you all in Congress have been having is how big is the COVID up going to be going forward? That's really fundamentally what the debate is. It's like, oh, these subsidies subsidize what, what do we need to subsidize the extraordinarily high cost of healthcare we're gonna steal from the taxpayers in order to bring the price down and pretend like it's super cheap. It's not. It's a cover up orchestrated at my expense. Thanks a lot. So fixing that does seem like a critical issue. The thing I fear, Congressman, is that we're gonna reach a level that we often reach with Republicans right when it's near crossing the finish line, that the Republicans will chicken out and not actually repeal this thing in order to replace it with something that gets the government out of it and makes it more affordable and more efficient.

B (46:17)

I'm always fearful of that, Vince. So, so that's why you're seeing, in my opinion, you see this thing's kind of being double tracked right now. The people who want to continue the subsidies, by the way, think of it this way. The socialism of this health care Obama, Obamacare is not working out. So we're going to actually have to put another layer of socialism on top of that socialism to see if we can make it work better. That's really what you got going on. And so, but you got people over there and that's a separate track. The other track that we're trying to do is we're trying to build a track that the 335 million Americans can get out and actually have choices for reasonably priced health care. And, and basically that means that you have to create a marketplace of insurance. And because the insurance company in companies right now, there's so much fraud and deceit that goes on where people, they're literally, Vince, probably 15 million people at least on the subsidy side that don't even know that they're enrolled in a policy. Yes, an Obamacare policy. And the government, and they'll never know it because they won't get a bill because the government sends that money directly to the insurance companies. These are the types of things that have got to be fixed, not fixed. The prices will remain high, fraud will remain rampant and we'll lose that race, we'll lose the narrative.

A (47:46)

Do you like President Trump's plan? President Trump's plan, as I understand it, is stop sending all this money to the insurance companies. Instead give it to Americans in the form of health savings accounts. So they can, they'll get that money that's currently being directed directly into the coffers of the insurance companies. And instead Americans can spend on health care expenses. Do you like this plan?

B (48:06)

I like it better than the current status quo. But what I would like better is if you, if you created a real personalized health account that allowed you, for instance, if you're a single guy, you get 20,000 bucks as tax deductible. If you're a married couple, you get $50,000 tax deductible plus $20,000 for every kid and go right into that savings account. You and I could donate. If we saw somebody that needed some help, we could donate money, tax deductible in that account. And that way the government would save the money that they're paying to the insurance company. And people would be able to get the same benefit that employers get. So an employer gets to write off that tax for the health care premium. Why not let the individual do the same? And that would, that would actually lower premiums. It helped create the market because you have to have, you have to have some additional insurance products out there as well.

A (49:00)

Yes, big time. All right. Congressman Andy Biggs, thank you, as always. Appreciate all of our sincere conversations through the years. They're always great. Appreciate you again today. Merry Christmas, sir.

B (49:09)

Merry, Merry Christmas, Vince. Thank you.

A (49:10)

There's Congressman Andy Biggs. Thank you for his time today. And you know, there's a big thing in, in politics in the House and the Senate. You're normally each, each body, the members are like, I don't talk about the affairs of the other body. And then that's how they tap out of, like House members will often tap out of talking about the way the Senate conducts its business. Congressman Biggs, by saying, like, yeah, they should get rid of the filibuster and the blue slip. That's unusual. That's how crazy things are now. That's unusual for a House member to do that. And God bless him for doing it because he's totally right. And, you know, just, just say what's true. Just say what's true. We have a country worth saving. So President Trump wants to get rid of the blue slips. JD Vance wants to get rid of the blue slips. There's Congressman Biggs saying, get rid of them. Also, Senator Mark Wayne Mullen, up until recently, apparently was on board with keeping the filibuster in his own body. And now he's come to his senses and he realizes, wait a second. This silent filibuster thing, it's wrecking our country and we don't have any time left. It's cut to, here's Senator Mark Wayne Mullen. Watch. There was a conversation has taken place saying, well, maybe we don't do all the filibusters, but we just do it when it comes to appropriations. Well, that's where the policy is made through appropriations. Anyways. I think that's a sound policy for us to have a serious conversation about because we only had three years here and the president is laser focused on setting a foundation for the golden age to be rushing in. We know they're not interested in it, so we need to do it by ourselves. And so I, my position on the filibuster has changed. My position on the filibuster has changed. Well, that's what I Call progress. But look, the only way we're gonna get more progress is if you keep browbeating your Republican senator to change everything. There's no time to waste. And a lot of this, and as I mentioned with the congressman, a lot of this comes down to there are people in Congress who are very content with not changing anything, not very content with not changing anything, especially things that they think that you don't know anything about. Like who knows about the silent filibuster? Who knows about that? Who knows about the blue slip? Well, the reality is, because we have to figure out what the hell is wrong with our country, a lot more of us are aware of this now than ever before. And so, yes, contact your senator and let them know, you know, and that now's the time they've got to save their country and they got to get rid of this garbage. So there's some of it. We'll keep knocking on the doors here, trying to fix things. You know, look, if the left gets control again, you understand what they're gonna do with it? You understand this. If they get control, it doesn't matter if Republicans get rid of the filibuster now or not. Democrats will. If they get control of the Senate and if they can control both houses, what's the plan? The plan is to make Puerto Rico a state and get two Democrat senators. The plan is to make Washington D.C. a state and get two Democrat senators. There's some chatter about making Guam a state, a U.S. territory, making Guam a state and getting two Democrat senators. Their plan is to pad their numbers. Where else will they pad numbers? They want to pack the United States Supreme Court. They want to add justices to the court to permanently tear up what you and I know as the United States Constitution. That's their plan. Ladies and gentlemen, time is of the essence. We don't have any opportunity here. We have to act now. And if they can control the House, they want to impeach Trump again. Now, Nancy Pelosi, who is retiring, is aware that running as a Democrat at this moment, leading up to the midterms and admitting you want to impeach Trump, voters don't love that. They don't love it. So she doesn't want to say that this is their plan. It definitely is their plan. But here's Nancy Pelosi doing an interview yesterday. Cut four. Pretending Democrats don't want to impeach Trump again. When, of course, it's all they fantasize about. Watch.

D (53:08)

That's not an incidental thing. You say we're going to do that. No, there has to be cause, there has to be reason. We had review. This was a very serious, historic thing. And our founders knew that there could be a rogue president and that's why they put impeachment in the Constitution. They didn't know there'd be a rogue president at the same time, a rogue Senate that didn't have the courage to do the right thing. But that's bipartisan in the Senate. But it wasn't enough.

A (53:40)

You know, I love how she pretends. That clip has been going around the Internet. It was like Nancy Pelosi admits that President Trump hasn't done anything impeachable. And yeah, you could say that, but that's not the point of that clip. The point of that clip is her pretending like they don't have this aspiration to get rid of Trump, to impeach him yet again. That's her playing a game of pretend because everything with her is fundamentally deceit in the service of her long term power. Deceit in the service of, by any means necessary, power for Democrats. So any word coming out of her mouth, even if it was, if she came out and she was complimenting Trump today, I would say she's lying. There's a reason for this, there's a purpose behind this. And that's what she's doing. Again, she's trying to downplay the left's desire for impeachment. And this is why you had Democrats. There were reports that they were upset with Sri Tendahar, that guy with the hilarious Indian accent who keeps trying to impeach Donald Trump and everybody around him. They're upset with him because he's making that play too early. He's trying to kick the field goal. And they're not at the end of the field yet. So they're trying to stop him from doing that. Hey, stupid, there's not time for a turnover. We can't do that yet. They're trying to do the same thing to people like Al Green. They're constantly trying to tamp this down, like, don't let people know we're crazy. Don't let people know that we're trying to run this guy out of office. Pretend like we care about. What's the word again? Affordability. Let's pretend like we care about that for now. And by the time we get across the finish line after the midterms, then it's weapons free. We can do whatever we want after that. That's their actual plan. So there's Nancy Pelosi pretending like they don't want to do it. Of course they do. Of course they do. And as she goes out, one more thing for you. Pelosi is upset that you prevented her. You should literally pat yourself on the back for this if you can. Nancy Pelosi is whining that you prevented her from disarming you. Listen to this. Cut 11. Here's Nancy Pelosi complaining about the great regret of her career.

D (55:45)

My disappointment. Always have it and I'll never give up on it. Is guns a four letter word? Guns. Guns that children would be dying in a classroom. That families just the saddest thing. But it's about two things. That politicians should think that their political survival is more important than the survival of children and families in our country. And that the gun industry, I'm not talking about lobbyists here, I'm talking about the gun industry with endless big money just deciding that they are going to have it their way at the cost of lives in our country so they can make a profit. And it's a global issue too. I mean, you understand that guns are very. A border issue as well. They don't care. They just care about making money. So it's money and power and kids pay the price and families pay the price.

A (56:47)

What a, what a deceitful old hag. She's unreal. And of course, caring about kids, it's very rich coming from her. She has worked feverishly to advance the abortion of a million babies a year in our country while simultaneously importing a million foreign nationals into our country every year legally. In addition to the many millions that she and her party have brought in illegally into our country. The last people they care about are protecting children. They imported children across our border who were immediately sold into both labor and sex slavery in the United States. Tens of thousands went missing. The Trump administration is recovering them, some 60,000 or so. They have recovered these kids. That's what they're doing right now, cleaning up the evil mess that Nancy Pelosi and her fellow Democrats have created. So spare us the lectures. Oh, and by the way, we need guns to protect our children. She pretends like getting rid of law abiding citizens, guns is gonna somehow protect us. No, it's not. It's not going to protect my family, which is why you're not taking my gun. As always, great to have you with us here on this edition of Vince. I'll be back with you tomorrow. Christmas barrels forward. It's going to be here soon. Make sure to subscribe, like track the show, you know, obviously always get in on the Rumble Chat if you want to watch us live. Rumble.com Vince we do the show live 10am Eastern each day. You can also join me on the big national radio show thevinceshow.com your local listings. That's where you can get them. Or join us on rumble rumble.com Vince great to have you with us. Back with you tomorrow.