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Thomas Speciale: The Man Behind John Brennan's Meltdown | Episode 167
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Thomas A. Speciale II serves as the Senior Advisor for the Director of National Intelligence at the National Counterintelligence and Security Center (NCSC). He is a career intelligence officer, having served across the U.S. Intelligence Community—in and out of uniform for over 20 years.
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Everybody, welcome to a special edition events. It is great to have you with us as always, coming up on the program, John Brennan. Boy, the walls are closing in on the former CIA director. We'll get into all the latest details and we'll talk to a man who just got a chance to confront John Brennan directly to his face. In fact, Brennan was furious about this. He went absolutely ballistic. We'll explore it all in a moment on this edition of Vince, thank you for being here. The best audience anywhere. Hey, the Fed just dropped interest rates again. That's really great news for American homeowners. And if you are feeling overwhelmed even thinking about the upcoming holidays, there's no better time than now to get your finances in order. It's hard to think about the holidays when everything's really expensive and your credit cards are already pushed to the max. With rates dropping, now it is the time to pay off that debt. American Financing is helping homeowners access the equity right inside their home for instant savings. They're saving people like you an average of $800 a month. That's a big deal. And many are seeing rates in the low fives. That's a game changer. That's compared to those sky high credit cards, out of control. If you start today, you may be able to delay two mortgage payments giving you extra breathing room for the holidays. It costs absolutely nothing to find out how much you can save. The holidays are going to be here before you know it, so don't wait. Call their salary based mortgage consultants to today American Financing, 888-879-6460. That's 888-879- 6460americanfinancing.net Vince thanks to American Financing. Thank you also to Patriot Mobile. Freedom has never been free and lately we just keep being reminded of just how high the cost can actually be. Growing violence that's meant to shake us, but it really, really should only strengthen our resolve not to back down. Patriot Mobile shares this view. For over 12 years they've been defending faith, family, freedom, all while providing the same or better premium network access on all three of the major US Networks. Unlimited data, mobile hotspots, international roaming, they do it all. So when you switch, you don't sacrifice quality or service. Hundreds of thousands have joined the movement by switching their cell service to Patriot Mobile. And now every time they pay their bill, they're supporting a company that believes in the First Amendment, the second Amendment, the sanctity of life and our veterans and first responders switching is super easy. Keep your number, keep your phone or even upgrade their 100% US based customer support team can activate you in just minutes on the phone. Call 972-patriot or visit patriot mobile.com Vince use the promo code Vince for a free month of service. That's patriot mobile.com Vince or call 972-patriot. Make that switch today. Well, the walls are definitely closing in on the former CIA Director John Brennan. As you know, as this audience very well knows, we've seen massive numbers of indictments dropped on a bunch of high profile officials to include James Comey, Letitia James, John Bolton and so many others. And John Brennan appears to be the latest who is being looked at by the Justice Department for legitimate violations of the law. He was just referred by the Congress for criminal prosecution because of his lies to Congress, in particular about his involvement in pushing the Steele dossier into the intelligence community assessment back in 2017. You know, that was the Hillary Clinton opposition research Pacific designed to destroy Donald Trump and debilitate his incoming administration. Yeah, Brennan was at the epicenter of all of it. But for years now, people have thought of John Brennan as untouchable. He's a former CIA director, he knows all the secrets. Nobody could possibly go after him, but now they are. And in fact, this past week we just learned that the United States Department of Justice has been sending out grand jury subpoenas related to John Brennan. It's a flurry of subpoenas going out the door. The U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Jason Redding Quinones, has been supervising all of this, according to a Fox News report. And the left, well, they're angry about it, they're really upset about it. But it couldn't happen to a better guy. He definitely deserves it. In fact, recently, John Brennan was speaking at an event for George Mason University. He was on a panel intel community thing. And while he was there, he was questioned about what exactly, what exactly he did while he was in office. Take a look. Here's John Brennan being questioned by an intelligence community veteran who really wants some answers on why John Brennan abused his power. Look at this.
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B
I would like to hear what your justification was for supporting the dossier that was known to be false, being used as source material in the second ica.
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A
I don't know who put you up to this.
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B
Nobody put me up to this or.
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A
I'm here on my own. What role you played or who you are. But there's a bunch of that you just passed on.
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B
The emails are clear. Sir, the emails are clear. The emails are clear. The second question I Think we're gonna look next. Look next. You can next. Next. Look, we can talk about it. Talk about it in the reception.
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A
No, we didn't say no.
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B
Get the fact straight. It was likely Russian disinformation.
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A
No, we did not. We said read the letter. An amazing moment. The man responsible for it joins us now. Thomas Speciali is here. He is a national security consultant and he has, since the 80s, served in the military and the intelligence community. He's a subject matter expert on intel, terrorism, the Middle east, and he recently served as a senior advisor on counterintelligence and security issues for Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence. You can find his website, Thomas speciali.com. thomas, great to have you with us on the program today. Thank you, sir.
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B
Thanks. Thanks for having me, man.
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A
I've watched that moment like a dozen times now. And every time I do, I am, I'm amazed by, and not that shocked, but really fascinated by the fact that John Brennan loses his mind in that moment. Why was he so furious at you for posing that question?
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B
Well, I think he believed that that was a completely friendly audience and it was just happenstance. I literally just attended as an attendee. They gave us the opportunity to ask questions. I had intended to try and get him on a sidebar and ask a couple of questions regarding the, regarding the use of the dossier in the ica. And then also with regard to him being a signatory on the 51 intelligence officers memo, I had intended for that to be a sidebar conversation, but when they asked if we were, when they said they were going to take questions, I was concerned that he wasn't going to be at the reception afterward. So I figured I would just, I would just ask it, ask him then. And yeah, it was, it was not, it was not his reaction. I don't think it's just indicative of the fact that he knows that the, the emails that have been released by the DNI email communication between Clapper, Brennan, Comey and, and Admiral Rogers are very, very telling about the, the inappropriate use and the, the inappropriate influence I think that they deliberately tried to have on the ica, the intelligence community assessment regarding Russian involvement in the, influencing the 2020 elect or the 2016 election. It was, he, he knew that he was basically cornered with that question and he couldn't answer that question and he just, you know, he just lost his mind.
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A
I want to get in a moment to your, to your confrontation in that sidebar. You did have another opportunity to speak to him, but I want to focus on this for a moment, what do you think those emails reveal about John Brennan, specifically? What did you learn when you read them?
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B
Well, it's not really a matter of what they reveal, it's what they demonstrate. These are like a level of a receipt of a factual event. That is, I don't think I've ever seen anything like this in American history, where we have the personal communications between the four senior intelligence leaders for the nsa, the CIA, the FBI, and the dni, all essentially admitting to writing intelligence at the highest level that was deliberately meant to influence or impact the future president, the incoming president's presidency. Because that's really. Well, you know, one of the things that I try and make clear to people is, is that this wasn't about Trump. This was actually about an influence operation, or in the intelligence community, we'd call it an offensive counterintelligence operation that they perpetrated against the American people. So they did this to everyone, Democrats and Republicans. They did this to everyone to essentially provide an intelligence community assessment that said, in fact, Putin favored Trump and that Putin had ordered this, this influence operation to help Trump get elected. Well, that was not demonstrated in any of the intelligence reporting, and they basically fabricated it from whole cloth. Then they put it in the intelligence community assessment, which was then given to Congress, which they knew then would leak to the public, and then they also leaked it to the media themselves through the FBI leaks, to, again, leak out to the American people that, you know, Trump was supposedly working, you know, along that the Russians were actually supporting him, which was totally not the case. Totally not.
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A
So it seems. It seems like if. If there's an intent built into this, it strikes me that there's probably two things that jump to mind immediately. One is to manufacture an excuse for Hillary's loss in the election, to basically say that it was a rigged deal, that she should have never lost the election, it was Putin that violated it because he loved Donald Trump. And then two, it's. It's also to try and lock in our foreign policy posture towards Russia to make it seem like, to basically back Donald Trump into a corner. Oh, you're close to Russia, you can do whatever they want to try and sort of browbeat him into submission in order to adopt the status quo posture towards Russia in Washington. And, of course, we saw the real impact on the Trump administration as he came in. It debilitated their ability to even execute the will of the American people because he was constantly bogged down by phony investigations that all emanated from this corrupt seed.
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B
Yeah, well, and, and I think also it played a huge part in the, in his second election, in the 2020 election, because all of that was still out there. And the Biden administrator, you know, they, they had never been able to get this information out. So ultimately it was, that's why I make very clear that this was not about Trump personally. This was about an influence operation against the American people to, to, to, to, to damage his presidency, make him ineffective as a president ultimately, because they just hated him. And then, and then at the same time, to influence the American people into voting against him or not supporting him. And, and we, we saw that in the midterms. We saw that in the 2018 midterms and then ult, in the 2020 election. They did this as a election rigging, you know, intelligence operation to, to damage Donald Trump's presidency and ultimately his future.
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A
Presidency when you rig an election. I just want to basically ask you a normative question here. Shouldn't you be prosecuted and in jail if you try to rig an American election?
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B
Yeah, I think that, you know, there's a lot of things that are thrown around about treason. And, you know, the problem with the treason charge is it's a really, really high bar and it really has to be at the, be at the, to the benefit of a foreign country. I think that you, probably the closest thing you're going to come to that is a seditious conspiracy. And at the very least, they should be investigated and investigated under sort of the auspice of a seditious conspiracy. Whether or not they're ever charged or not, I don't know. You know, I'm not a lawyer, but I, I do think that, you know, it has all the earmarks of a seditious conspiracy.
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Well, let me just, I mean, let me ask a basic question about what it's like to be an intel officer. Like, at any point in your career, do you get warnings against this type of abuse of the American people? Like, clearly, in people who get security clearances and are involved in national security, like, as a predicate to getting your clearance, you are told like, hey, if you, if you do this, you're in violation of the law. If you abuse the power that you are being given, like, you're breaking laws by doing that.
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B
Yeah, it's, it's, it's for, I got asked the question the other day on as to, like, had I ever seen anything or heard anything like this ever happening before? Or aren't we trained not to do this? And the reality is, is it, it's it's, it's day one training. It's day one training. It's day one oath where you say you're going to support and defend the Constitution. You know, we don't. We don't swear oaths to parties. We don't swear oaths to presidents. We swear oath to a Constitution. And that means everyone, every single one of us. And it's what makes our country ultimately different, I think, than every other country in the world, is that our highest. The, the highest thing we swear an oath to is our Constitution in our country. And I believe that these people, at the very least, were, at the very least, were in direct and blatant and deliberate violation of their oaths to protect the Constitution. Because ultimately they didn't do what they were entrusted to do, which is to protect us from misinformation, disinformation. Instead, what they did was, is they perpetrated an intelligence operation on the behalf of Hillary Clinton. I mean, that's really what this was. This was an intelligence operation on behalf of Hillary Clinton. And it started with the Steele dossier.
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A
Yes. And it continued way too long. Do you, do you think John Brennan ever anticipated being caught? Do you think he ever anticipated these emails coming out and revealing what he was doing and the extent to which he knew that this was a fraudulent intel operation?
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B
No, Vince, and I'll tell you, it goes. It's worse than that. They perpetrated the Crossfire Hurricane investigation against Trump. They leaked that information. They knew it was all predicated on the Steele dossier. They did that to try and prevent him from becoming the President in 2016, and they failed in that mission. And so I would argue that. I would argue that not only did they not think that these emails would ever become revealed, they assumed that Hillary Clinton was going to win. And that's in every one of their books. That's in every single one. I've read all of their books, and every single one of them says they never thought Hillary Clinton was going to lose. Well, that's the reason they did Crossfire Hurricane, because they never thought anybody would ever find out about it. And then when Donald Trump did win and he had Michael Flynn in there, who already had a bone to pick with the CIA, he would have discovered Crossfire Hurricane probably very quickly. And once he had discovered Crossfire Hurricane, the. Their whole house of cards would have fallen and we would have had prosecutions probably in 2017.
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Which is why they took Michael Flynn out first.
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B
Correct. Had to get him out of there as quick as possible before he Found everything else out.
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Yeah, so. So, I mean, it really is like the more you stare at, the more you realize that, like, as we talk about possible grand conspiracy charges, that's what we're looking at. I mean, James Comey and John Brennan are now, by virtue of the emails, identified as the people who were ramming the Steele dossier into the intelligence community assessment. And then James Comey is the one who calls in the hit on General Flynn. He's the one who sends FBI agents over to the White House under false pretenses, pretending that they're there for a collegial meeting of some kind. And instead they turned him into a mark. And they were saying, we're going after this guy. And then he would later brag about this.
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B
I'll give you another one that people haven't even really caught on to yet, because if you're not in the intelligence community, you probably wouldn't recognize this. And only somebody that's worked counterintelligence would realize this. When Comey gives the private counterintelligence defensive briefing to Trump, he, he mentions the dossier to Trump and Trump outright says, it's a lie, it's a lie. Now, Comey knew at that time that it was a lie. He knew that there was no Russian collusion. So when he, when he essentially intimated to the incoming president that the Russians had compromised on him, I believe he was trying to Hoover him. I think he was trying to intimidate him to try and say, hey, we're the FBI. We have secret stuff about you, and you better, you better toe the line. And Trump doesn't tow the line for anyone. So they, they tried to do it in the office. Comey directly to Trump.
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A
Yeah. And that meeting, that was January 2017, when they meet in Trump Tower, remember at that time, top Obama officials, to include James Clapper, were communicating that CNN wanted to publish the story about the Steele dossier, but they needed a hook to do it. They didn't have a hook. And that briefing that you just referred to became CNN's hook. They were able to report this. Basically, it's what Nancy Pelosi refers to as the wrap up smear, which is like, we just take this thing, this event where Comey says, hey, there's this thing about Russian hookers and pee tapes and all this stuff, and tells Trump about it. That served as the thinnest possible pretext for CNN to say, well, that happened, meaning the conversation between Comey and Trump. And then to lead people into believing that there was a broader conspiracy that Donald Trump was a part of.
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B
Right. But again, the fact that Comey knew that it was not true and used it anyway.
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Yes.
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B
Is evidence of a conspiracy because he was trying to, I believe, intimidate the incoming president.
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A
So what ends up happening, of course, is President Trump comes into office, he's got this storm cloud that is created by John Brennan, James Comey, Hillary Clinton, Mark Elias, all of these guys over the top of him. And eventually, we're barreling towards the 2020 election. And he's dealt with impeachments, he's dealt with the Mueller investigation. He's dealt with all of it designed to stagger his first presidency. And as we're approaching the 2020 election, the Hunter Biden laptop story comes out.
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B
Correct.
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And that includes a bunch of real information about an actual presidential candidate who is actually compromised by foreign governments, who's actually taking immense amount of money from them. And John Brennan once again pops up in an effort to rig that election. And I want people to see. Now, this is you confronting John Brennan. This was at the kind of the after party, the soiree after this panel event that you attended. And you're standing in front of John Brennan, and Brennan plants his finger in your chest, furious that you've noticed these details as well. Take a look.
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B
And you misrepresented that. We never said it was disinformation. We said it was Russian influence operations, which is what they do. There's a big difference between influence operations. No, you don't know that.
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A
Okay. And for those of you listening, just to give you an image here, they're just standing in a little room with some drinks. Thomas has a drink in his hand, looks like a Stella, and he's. And Brennan goes up to his chest.
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B
It's all they had.
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A
I know I've been to these parties. Like, I guess I'll take the Stella. And Brennan walks up right to your chest, and it plants his finger right into your chest. And start at you about the. The Hunter Biden laptop scandal. I can gather from the context clues that you're Talking about the 51 intelligence official letter that John Brennan was a signatory on, where they were very heavily implying that this was a Russian disinformation operation, that, that the Hunter Biden laptop thing was not real, that the Russians had invented all of this, and they got that story planted in Politico and they were off to the races. Tell me about that exchange and again, that underlying story and what you think of it.
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B
Well, I think that it's important to understand that the Origin of the memo is, again with the Democrat Party, the Morell email. Morrell sends the memo to Brennan to get it signed to. To ask for his signature. And I'm, I'm sure all of these people that signed it and probably many more got signed, got that invitation to sign that email, probably from the Democrat Party. And so that shows the political angle automatically. Right? These guys are professional intelligence officers. They knew what they were saying, and they also knew that the language they were using was not only going to insinuate to the American people that it was Russian disinformation operation. It was, for all intents and purposes, they knew. They were relying on sort of the ignorance of the American people to just take it at face value that 51 intelligence officers have looked at this. And, and, and, and it's definitely Russian disinformation.
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A
So can I, again, can I add one. Can I add one detail that I want to make sure people know about where this emanated from? You are right, of course, that it was a former deputy director of the CIA, Mike Morell, who coordinated all of this, and John Brennan was a signatory on it. But the man who started this initiative was Tony Blinken. Tony Blinken would become the Secretary of State for Joe Biden. And during the 2020 campaign, they desperately needed a talking point to get out of the Hunter Biden laptop saga. And so Tony Blinken goes to Morell, and they created this fake explanation for why the Hunter Biden laptop existed at all. And that. That got the social media companies and the big media companies to suppress the entire story, thus impacting the election.
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B
Well, and, and not just that. The FBI went directly to Twitter and, and Facebook and asked them to suppress things that look like Russian disinformation. Well, and then you get the. The memo that comes out that supports it. And so now what you have is, is you have essentially the FBI and the CIA in collusion to essentially silence free speech regarding this Hunter Biden laptop. You know, and, and the. The reality is, like, for. For me, the Hunter Biden laptop does not affect. I mean, it. It does, but, I mean, it's not. It's his son, right? Like, it's you. You leave it up to the voter to decide whether or not the information on the. The laptop should influence their decision to vote for Biden or not. You leave it up to the American voter, but you don't suppress it in order to help a candidate, which, if you read the memo, that's exactly what it says. It says we need essentially to give Biden a talking point. And we think that the Russians are going to use this against the American people. Well, if.
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Yeah.
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B
Why can't the American people just use it against Biden if they know what's in it? You know what I mean?
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Okay, okay, let me. I want to spend some more time on this and talk to you about the grand conspiracy here because each of the pieces you're describing, they all feel like they're part of the same exact cover up. I'll get to that in just a moment. I want to thank the great sponsors who make this program possible. Cooking Thanksgiving is coming. Thanksgiving is. Oh, my goodness, it's coming. And it's very high stakes. It feels like one dried out turkey can absolutely ruin it. All that is true. That's why I love my Chef IQ sense. This thing's great. It's a wireless cooking thermometer and it completely takes the guesswork out of holiday cooking. The USDA says turkey's got to hit 165 degrees precisely to be safe. Your eyes can deceive you, but Chef IQ ensures that you hit that perfect temperature every single time. So whether you're roasting, grilling, pan, searing, even smoking the turkey, it's got you covered and it couldn't be easier. Just insert the sensor, tell the app what you're cooking, and then sit back and relax. Chef IQ sense tells you when to flip, when to take it off the heat, even how long to let it rest. Basically, it's having a mini personal chef watching the stove so you can hang out with your guests. No more oven peing, no more dried out turkey. Just perfectly cooked meals every time. It works for steak, chicken, fish, whatever you're cooking. And you will wonder, man, how did I ever cook without this thing? Total game changer. Everyone's going to think you're the greatest chef ever. It's the ultimate gift. It's perfect for seasoned cooks, kitchen rookies, everybody in between. Get 30% off site wide right now with Code Vince. Take advantage of this deal. I'm telling you. Code Vince, go to chefiq.com that's chefiq.com promo code Vince. Thank you to Chef IQ. Great sponsor, great product. Also great product, great sponsor. Bowl and branch sheets. You know, the holiday sales are all over the place right now. And. And yes, it can get tempting to splurge, but the key to this, this spending that you do is don't splurge on just anything. You want to splurge on the thing that actually makes a difference. And that's why I'm glad I Discovered Bolan Branch ever since I tried the bedding. And Alison, my wife, she's, she's really the impetus behind this. We've been totally hooked. Their signature sheets, totally unreal. They're soft, breathable, and somehow they get even softer with every single wash. I used to think all the sheets out there were the same. They're all the same. They're sheets. What's the difference? Then I slept on Bowling Branch. Now I can't go back. This is the kind of upgrade that actually feels like an upgrade. You can tell the quality the second that you touch them. They're made with 100 organic cotton. They're not just comfortable, they're responsibly made too. So give yourself and your loved ones the most extraordinary feeling. Sleep with 25 off site wide plus free shipping. Extended returns during Bowland Branch's best sale of the year. Shop now bolandbranch.com Vince with the code Vince. That's Boland Branch. B O L L A N D branch.comvince code vince for 25 off exclusions apply. See bull and branch.com for details. All right, Thomas Speciali continues with us and the great intel community veteran, the guy who just got in John Brennan's face did what so many of us wish we could do. But, but Thomas, one of the many advantages that you had in this conversation is you actually knew the facts and you confront John brennan about that. 51 intelligence community official letters. And in so doing, what you're really doing is you're pointing to one of the many attempts to cover up the left's election rigging along the way. I know you said you're not a lawyer, but man, I'm telling you what, this does feel like another overt act in furtherance of a conspiracy.
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B
Yeah, it is. Absolutely. There's, there's, there's, there can be no question that the intent of the memoir was to influence voters in a way that was essentially amplifying. It was a complete, it was a complete fabrication because they knew when they signed it that the Hunter Biden laptop was legitimate. So in order to delegitimize it, they had to put Russia on it. You know, one of the things, and nobody has, nobody's ever asked this question, and I think it's a very interesting question. Hunter Biden apparently took in multiple hard drives, laptops into this, this computer store, and they all apparently had water damage. How in the hell do five laptops, or however many laptops it was, all get water damage at the same time? I think somebody probably Threw them in a tub or somebody threw them in a pool. That's probably what I think had happened to those laptops before they were ever in the hands of the. The tech to, to recover the data. Nobody's ever talked about how they got damaged. And it seems to me that somebody did that deliberately, and we still don't know how they got damaged in the first place, how they ended up then in the hands of the tech. And then ultimately, we know Hunter Biden didn't go back and pick him up, and the guy had recovered the data and then saw that there was criminal behavior, criminal activity on it and turned it over to law enforce. You know, this is all just a. It's a. It's a nightmare for Biden and they had to come up with a story to, To. To cover it up.
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A
Yes, for sure. For sure. And by the way, there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the. The chain of custody with that laptop and the attempts to get a hold of it. There were. There were reports of the Secret Service attempting to be involved in retrieving the laptop, which made no sense, given that Hunter Biden didn't have Secret Service protection. You don't get Secret Service protection as the son of a former vice president. That's not how it works. And the FBI clearly had custody of the laptop, as you point out. They knew that it was authentic. They knew that it was real. They. They lied anyway. They had an FBI agent called Elvis Chan who was browbeating the big tech companies into. Into hiding all of this and saying it was fake. So, I mean, like, look, I. I'm looking at that Brennan denial, the one that he gave you on that stage and in person, when he shoved his finger into your chest, which, by the way, you showed remarkable strength, restraint, like with a guy shoving his finger into your chest.
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B
I knew I had him over a barrel. As soon as he got all emotional about it, I knew I had him.
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A
I. I see all of that as yet another overt act in the furtherance of a conspiracy. And by the way, under the law, it is. If you verbally deny, if you give a verbal denial in public like he just did, prosecutors can consider that as well as a piece of evidence against you. And Brennan keeps doing it, but, man, he's angry. What did. I mean, you.
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B
We.
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A
I've talked to you before a little bit about some of this, and you've had experience interrogating people, just simply asking them questions. When you see that kind of behavior, when you. All you did was Ask a very sober question. What does it tell you?
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B
It would tell me that I would just say that I'm over the target for sure. And I think that his body language, actually, with the first question is even more revealing because he's shifting multiple times, reaching for water unnecessarily. He's rubbing his face. Actually, as soon as I started speaking, he starts rubbing his nose and rubbing his mouth. And that's an indication of somebody who is planning their lie. They're thinking about their lie. And so he had every indication that he was, at the very least, uncomfortable. And in that first interaction, he was trying to figure out how he was going to get out of it and what lie he could say or, you know, what could he say to get out from under that question. And, and I, I would add that this was, again, not planned. I had not implanted. I had not planned to ask these questions publicly. And actually, the second video was just. I didn't even know somebody was videoing it, and they were videoing it and gave me the video afterwards. And it was just an accident that it was recorded. And so.
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A
Well, it's great that it was crazy. Yeah.
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B
Crazy situation.
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A
It's great that it was. How do you feel about this? I mean, in terms of. Obviously you felt it was important to ask him these questions. How do you feel about the reaction to this? Are you glad that these moments were captured on video?
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B
Yeah, I would say I'm glad about it, but only, Only because I think the American people need to have a restoration in their faith in our government. And the only way we're going to get a restoration of faith is if we have an accountability for people who violated their oath and broke the law to, to help a particular political candidate that just simply cannot be tolerated. And, you know, we, we. What, we, what we have to be careful of, and I believe that the Trump administration is doing, is we have to be careful that it is not a retribution or revenge. It has to be a restoration. And the only way you can get restoration is with proper accountability.
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A
Yeah, Justice. Okay, so you were just working for Tulsi Gabbard. What was that like? And, and how, how serious is she about exposing these abuses and bringing accountability?
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B
Oh, I don't, I don't think you could find anybody more serious than Tulsi Gabbard about getting to the truth. You know, she's, She, I think she's a perfect pick to essentially follow the facts. She doesn't, you know, it's, it's to her benefit, probably, that she is is not from the career intelligence field because she won't, her, her natural inclination won't be to support or defend one line of analysis or another. She will just be looking at the facts. And I think that that is, you know, I worked very closely with the directors initiative group which is the actually released all this information. And you know, she's got a great group of people work doing this. Patriots, every one of them. And also, also just as devoted to the truth.
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Yeah.
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As, as Tulsi is.
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So I mean, what you're describing is she's not an abusive institutionalist. There are people within the government sometimes who try to protect the institution at the expense of the American people. That's not Tulsi Gabbard. Also, at the same time she's been a victim of this. She was being tracked by the federal government as they were treating her like a terrorist in the Quiet Skies program and having air marshals follow her around the country. A sitting congresswoman, a, a veteran of our military. She, she knows what it feels like to be on the receiving end of this type of abuse. And, and now she's been unleashed on that very same intel community. It's kind of fascinating to watch.
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Well, and, and I think that's one of the reasons that I was also given the opportunity to go into the administration as well, because I, it's on my website you can find all the evidence where the FBI investigated me for over two and a half years. I think that they thought I was, you know, the mastermind of J6. But, but, but they investigated me for over two and a half years. I believe they did surreptitious entry into my home. I think that they did remote access on my computer. I think that I know I was under physical surveillance because I'm trained to detect physical surveillance. And I detected it. I have personally seen my E. Guardian file, which is the, I haven't seen the contents of it, but I have seen the actual file portal and it has over 89 documents in it of the FBI collecting intelligence on me for over two and a half years. So, you know, and I, I, I've mentioned it in before, you know, this Arctic Frost thing with, you know, getting the subpoenas and getting all this information and getting all the phone call traffic from these Congress people. What the American people need to understand is there were thousands of Americans that were supporters of President Trump. And I would argue that Tulsi is not the only one put on Quiet Skies. You know, it's just a fact that the FBI got way out over their skis with the Department of Justice in the Biden administration, looking for, in their mind, domestic extremists. But really. Or that's what they said. But really what they were trying to do was to try and hurt the return of Trump is they wanted to stop anybody who was supporting Trump, and they tried to do that through intimidation. That's what. That's what all the public raids, the FBI raids were about. That was all about intimidating the American people into silence. And this is what you get if you support Trump. That's what all of that was about. And that's why I say Tulsi is a perfect pick, because she has a lot of people around her that were also involved in that, in those abuses. And, yes, we're. Ultimately, we will get justice. And it's going to, you know, it's because of people like Tulsi.
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Yeah. Can I ask, how did you figure out that the FBI or the government in some capacity, likely entered your home surreptitiously? Why did you conclude that what happened?
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Well, there are ways to. There are ways to. There are ways to know that if you're trained properly, you know how to. You know how to. And again, it's just a suspicion because they're very good at surreptitious entry, so they can enter your home without you knowing about it. But there were some indicators in my home that someone had been in my home in particular and tampered with my computer and things like that. But the thing about it is, is I didn't care so much. I knew I was being investigated, so I didn't really care that they were doing it other than my own government is weaponized against me. And it kind of broke my heart a little bit that, you know, somebody with a top secret, sensitive, compartmentalized information, you know, information clearance and my own government would be investigating me. But I knew I had nothing to hide, so I wasn't. I wasn't worried about it. So it did break my heart that they would do that. And the crazy thing is, Vince, no one ever even asked me a question. Nobody. I was never even questioned, even though I knew I was under investigation.
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They didn't approach you like you. They didn't approach you like you were an American citizen, an army veteran, an intel community veteran, treat you with any. The level of respect. They just surreptitiously spied upon you and then apparently broke into your house potentially in an effort to continue to spy on you. So one question that is like, screaming right now in my mind is like, is you were working in the Director of National Intelligence Office, you had access to the nation's intelligence on this subject. Would it, would it be an abuse of your power to look at your own file? Like, I, I do wonder.
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B
Yeah, it would be. Yeah, it would.
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Would.
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When I saw my file, it wasn't because I was involved in looking into the weaponization of the federal government. Right. So just being aware, seeing it, seeing that the file exists is not a, Is not an issue because there was, there was nothing classified about that. And, but, but, and, and, and that was in the, in the, in the process of doing work with the, with the Director of National Intelligence on revealing these, these, these, these violations. But it would be if, like, I had access to, you know, signals information or whatever, and I was looking at my wife or a girlfriend or somebody else's girlfriend or whatever those are. Those are, those are egregious violations. And unfortunately, what we have is, is that's really what the FBI did, is they violated every regulation. They did this without any predication of any crime.
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Yeah, this is what they did to, like, Carter Page and stuff like. Yeah, like, like spying on American citizens, by the way, another veteran Naval Academy graduate, they, they spy on American citizens without any predication, violating their civil liberties. Like, crazy. This. I just wondered, like, would you be able to look at your own file, given that it's you. It's not like somebody else. You're not staring at some other American. You're staring at your own stuff.
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Right. I, I have foia. Thank you for reminding me, because hopefully, you know, Dan will watch this, but I have foia, both the FBI and I have foia, the Department of Justice, for my complete file. And I've worked closely with some retired special agents in, in domestic extremism at the FBI to craft the correct foia. And I have asked for my entire file that both the Department of Justice has and also the FBI has. And to this day, they've basically ignored my request. And so I'll likely, I'll have to sue them. Unless, Unless Dan goes over to the FOIA office and says, why doesn't Tom have this after waiting for it for, like, four years?
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Well, we'll see what happens. I mean, look, you shouldn't have to die for the FBI to release your file if you want it. You know, it's like, you know, like when, when Frank Sinatra kicked it, we finally got to see the FBI file. It's like, this is like, we don't have to wait for that. We don't have to Wait. Thomas needs it now. Let's give it to him.
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B
The reason. Yeah. The reason they don't want us. The reason they don't want to give me my file is. Is because it'll be a civil rights violation. It. The whole case is a civil rights violation because there was never any predicate of a crime in the beginning.
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Yeah.
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B
And so there was never any justification to even initiate the investigation.
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A
Yes.
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Other than the fact that I was a supporter of President Trump. And that was.
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Well, there's. If there's any two people who are interested in exposing those civil rights violations, it would be Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. Hey, that's right. Thomas Speciali, thank you for your service to your country. Thank you for getting in John Brennan's face. Thank you for explaining all of this to us. We're living through a really important moment, and it is very helpful to have wise people like you to help us navigate through it. Thank you, Thomas.
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B
Hey, thank you, Vince. Appreciate it.
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God bless you today. All right, that's Thomas Speciali. And thanks as always for everybody for joining us here on this special edition of vince. I'm back with you live tomorrow. Please tune in as always, you can always check out the big national radio show as well, the vinshow.com for your local listings. Can't wait to see you soon.