Dan Bongino (4:47)

Is that true? The threat picture now for the United States is dramatic. And I really appreciate we have a president, an attorney general, and FBI director who take those threats seriously. I mean, you name it. Sean, you ask me, what's the biggest threat right now, People say, well, what keeps you up at night? Well, the answer is, I'd never sleep if I thought about this stuff all the time. But it all keeps me up at night. The drone threat, this is a perilous, acute threat. It's not here tomorrow, it's here today. Everybody saw what happened in Russia. It's only a matter of time. If we don't take action, which I promise you, the Attorney General and the director and I are taking action on this threat. It is here right now. You've got the threat of AI alignment there. You've got the threat of China infiltration into our systems. It's been publicly reported. You've seen it. When you get the President's daily brief every morning, like the Director and I do for this half an hour block we get, it's the first thing we do. You know, Sean, you walk out of there, you're like, somebody go get me a cup of coffee. I mean, this is really, I need a coffee. Relaxes me a little bit because you go out of there, your blood pressure through the roof. It's so many different things to action. And one last thing, when you combine that with the director and I, our priority, which is reform, without reform, we're not going to have anything because the American people won't trust us. They will not trust us. And after what happened, I don't blame them for that mistrust. You combine that and layer it on, we got a. We got a big job. But the director and I are glad we're doing it.

Vince (6:18)

That's a big deal. That's a very big deal. The threat environment that he's describing as he goes down that list, did you notice what he started with? Drones? He started with drones because they genuinely, within the FBI, must be seeing that the drone threat is present, and as he points out, acute, very acute. It's a huge problem in terms of how to stop these types of attacks. For those of us who followed Dan's public commentary prior to joining the FBI, and this is something I was reflecting on as well, do you remember what happened ahead of Trump's inauguration? You remember the drone threat that existed ahead of Trump's inauguration? There was a big change that was made by the leading commercial drone manufacturer in the world called dji. Dji. DJI is a Chinese drone company, and it is the number one seller of drones all around the planet, including right here in the United States. People buy drones for their own, you know, use their hobbyist use. Many of them are, of course, made by dji, and it comes with sophisticated software that you can use to fly it. Now, it used to be up until just before President Trump's inauguration that DJI Drones were forbidden by the software from flying into no fly zones. So for instance, in and around the United States Capitol, it is forbidden, it is against the law to fly drones in that region of the country. You're not allowed to do it. It's considered enough of a safety threat that drones are not permitted to be flown in that area. So it's a no fly zone. And so previously, DJI would, on the, on the app, would block it off completely. But just ahead of the inauguration, you know what they did? You know what they did? They shut off that prevention. They made it so that people could fly drones anywhere they wanted. Now the software was changed. The Chinese owned company, dji, the CCP controlled company dji, decided to get rid of those protections. And instead, now it just gives you a warning that you're flying in a no fly zone. But if you're a bad guy, what does it matter if a warning pops up on your screen? If you have something nefarious in mind, the word the warning is not gonna stop you. So there is a pressing drone threat in the United States of America. You talk to anybody who's involved in national security and they say this is a big deal because this changes the dimensions of the threat environment. That adds that extra third dimension coming from the air, coming over the top of various security and barricades. And we can see in vivid detail, unfortunately, and I wouldn't go searching it out, but if you've seen social media at all, you've probably seen some of these videos, you can see what those drones look like on the battlefield. I'm not talking about those big American drones that fly over a Middle Eastern target and drop some sort of bomb down. That's one thing. I'm talking about these little drones with a couple of props on them that carry explosives and that are being used to attack soldiers on the battlefield in Ukraine and Russia. I'm talking about the Ukrainian drone attack. They just brought in fleets of semi trucks into Russia. A Trojan horse style attack, parked the trucks on the side of the road, opened them up, and then had a fleet of drones leave the vehicles and then attack these aircraft in Russia, which, by the way, the President of the United States just had a conversation with Vladimir Putin yesterday, and Putin promised retaliation for that attack inside of his borders. So that war is not really showing any meaningful signs of slowing down while we're on that subject. But the use of drones to kill people and strike targets, well, that's happening all around the planet. And here in the United States, you just heard from the Deputy director of the FBI telling you he is deeply concerned about that threat. And so, in one sense, I got a message this morning from a relative who said to me, man, I'm really happy to hear Dan talking about the drone threat. I'm glad they're taking that seriously. And me too, me too. I'm very happy that they're taking it seriously and Dan's taking it seriously for a while. But conversely, it's worrisome to hear them talk about this. When Dan says this and says, look, this is the big acute thing that's constantly hanging over us literally and figuratively in the drone space. When he says that, I'm like, my God, that must mean that this is actually really over the top, the threat environment that they've got to face. So I appreciate that. I prefer transparency. I don't wanna be kept in the dark on this. I appreciate the transparency on that. As Dan's laying out the priorities, here's what we're dealing with right now. It's a big job. In addition to the fact that the FBI is being used to deport lots of people right now. A lot of illegal aliens being thrown out by people wearing FBI jackets right now. So this is not a do nothing FBI. This is a do a lot FBI right now. Also, Dan mentioned last night, you know, there was a right after that terror attack at the beginning of the week in Boulder, Colorado, where you had that lunatic illegal alien set a bunch of Jewish people. They said Jewish people, pro Israeli people. People really just who wanted the Israeli hostages released by Hamas. Who doesn't want that? Except for the terrorists. They get set on fire by this lunatic terrorist. And so Cash and Dan leading the FBI right away, they said, this is a terrorism investigation. Obviously, it's got all the markings of a terror investigation. The way that this attack was conducted is terrorism. The things that he was screaming amount to terrorism. This is terrorism. You know, so that's very straightforward. And meanwhile, the police chief in Boulder, Colorado, we heard him at the beginning of the week saying, well, we're withholding judgment just yet. We're not ready to call this terrorism. When are you going to be ready? How much more evidence do you possibly need? So Dan kind of addressed this yesterday. He's like, look, we're not playing word games. We're just gonna tell it like it is from the moment we find out what happens. Here he is, cut three.

Dan Bongino (12:24)

Dan talking about word games, investigating terror attacks that do happen. And I'm gonna add another thing, Sean. We're not the Federal Bureau of Freaking word games anymore, okay? It's the Federal Bureau of Investigation. When some guy shows up at a scene and I'm getting an intel stream from our information center that indicates he threw an incendiary device, okay? While screaming very specific words with multiple witnesses and video. We're damn well going to investigate it. Listen to me. Investigate it as targeted violence in a terror attack. You don't like it, you don't have to follow my official Twitter, but I saw a whole bunch of people losing their minds. What the hell? You want us to investigate it as a freaking grand larceny auto.

Vince (13:12)

Yeah, no, there's. So that last distinction, that investigation component to this really important. Remember, everybody's innocent until they're proven guilty. It's why even in the face of overwhelming video evidence, we say that the guy's an alleged terrorist. But obviously, you watch that and you go, this is a terrorism investigation. Because what took place, to the common eye and common ear and to the experience of the people who went through that horror is terrorism. So, yes, it's being conducted as a terror investigation. An important, important distinction there. The way they're doing this thing also, you know, going after. This is the last one I'll leave you with, you know. Yes, I know. Look, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff. Everyone wants to talk about the Epstein stuff and keeps riding these guys. Dan tells us that the files that he sees suggest Epstein killed himself. I have the same request for him as I did before. Want them to release as much as they can. And Dan offered that update last night that they're gonna release this video that he said gives him a lot of confidence in that answer. Good. He's a big receipts guy. Me too. I'd like to see all the receipts on this subject because, you know, of course, you and I have seen a lot of compelling evidence suggesting how that guy kill himself. He broke his bones that many times doing it himself. It doesn't add up. So, yes, receipts, please. I love receipts. Okay. Dan also talked about something super interesting here. I think he kind of tipped the hand of the Justice Department in a not subtle way. And the question that Hannity asked him was about, hey, what about these Democrat attorneys all across the country who abused their power and coordinated with the White House to destroy Donald Trump? Big, fat Fanny Willis. What about her? What about big Tish James up in New York? What about Alvin Bragg? Fat Alvin Bragg. These guys are all fat and big Alvin Bragg in New York. What's going on here? Is the FBI looking into all of this and the abuse of power at Their hands. I thought Dan gave the most interesting public answer on that question yet. And remember, this stuff is inside of the statute of limitations. There are fewer barriers to going after this right now and holding these people accountable for what appear to have been crimes that were committed just over the course of the last year or so. Here's Dan Cut 4. Going After Corrupt politicians. Are you going to be looking into Cash and Pam? Any potential collusion between the doj, Letitia James, the novel legal theory of Alvin Bragg or Nathan Wade or Fani Willis and the doj? Is that something? Has anything come up? Is there any way to determine whether or not evidence was destroyed in any of these cases?

Dan Bongino (16:00)

Well, there's always a way to determine that. I don't want to comment on that specific case right now for a reason. I don't want to get ahead of the Department of Justice on that. But I want to say this. You know, the FBI obviously has the public corruption portfolio. And yes, if you are a corrupt politician out there, if you are engaged in behavior, you know what you're doing. We're gonna find him.

Vince (16:27)

That sounded to me like Dan was tipping his hand. I can't speak to that specifically. You asked a question about four different people. Letitia James, Fani Willis, Nathan Wade, Alvin Bragg. And the Justice Department is moving on something related to all of that. So I'm not gonna talk anymore about that. That means something. That means something. Now, obviously, at this point, we do know that the Justice Department is looking into Letitia James for her mortgage fraud. For her mortgage fraud. They are going after her for that. That may be a component to that answer. But these are the kinds of things, again, I tell you every so often, you should dog ear that. Save that. In fact, Dan himself. Let me actually pull this up. Cause it seems worthwhile for you to take a look at this. Dan himself posted the following to Twitter just this morning. That same clip saying the same thing. I'm saying, bookmark this, bookmark this. He says, and I'm telling you to dog ear that. Either way, it means the same thing. It means, save that somewhere, put that on a post it note and stick it to a computer screen and figure out and just wait till it comes to fruition. I promise you, the glue is not gonna dry on that. It'll stay up there. It'll stay up there. So there's Dan telling you, bookmark this thing. So that'll be interesting. That's good. I like getting progress reports here. I prefer progress reports. I don't like when I hear silence. That's a lack of progress report as far as I'm concerned. But when I hear Dan step out and say stuff like this, that's a progress report. So that's good. That's very good. Yeah, these guys are staying busy. All right, look ahead. I wanna talk about the way that. So that's the Dan side of looking into all of this. Also we've got President Trump himself who has issued a presidential memorandum instructing the United States Department of Justice to, to investigate President Auto Pen. That is all of the people who were controlling the Biden presidency. And at this point it's pretty clear, without his knowledge, that is Biden's knowledge. More on that in just a moment. I've got to get into all those details also. Tom Fitton is going to be here in just moments. And so we have a lot to discuss. We have a lot to discuss. Got to thank the sponsors of this program, that includes my Patriot Supply. You ever notice how the power always seems to go out right when you need it the most? Whether it's a heat wave, a summer storm, or just too many people running the AC all at once? Yeah, it's because our fragile grid may not be able to keep up. And this is why you should consider the grid. Dr. 3300 solar generator from my Patriot supply. This thing's an absolute beast. It's 3,300 watts of off grid power that keeps your fridge, freezer, lights, even medical devices running whenever grid power fails. And man, that's happening a lot right now. 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You see an agent dressed in a suit, earpiece in, open the door to the SUV. And you never know in Washington, D.C. you have no idea who's about to step out of that car. It could be anybody. And sure enough, it's Cash. I was like, cash. He's like, hey, man. I was like, hey, it's great to see here, buddy. And I was. And I shook his hand. I was like, look, I just gotta say, I know you gotta run inside, but I'm just telling you, I'm rooting for you to get all this done, man. I'm rooting for you. And I know a lot of people who are too, especially the people that are in this audience. I said, there's a huge audience that is absolutely rooting for you and Dan to crush all of this. And he said, thanks, man. I know, I know. I've been watching. So that was just again, ran into him. I'd love to get him on the program. We're always knocking on the official channels to try and get him on, either here on the podcast or on the radio show, just to talk to the FBI director, find out what's going on. But that was cool. And then a friend of mine messaged me who said that he ran into Dan at the White House event last night. At the White House. They had a big event where they had all the cabinet officials, agency officials, everybody who President Trump has appointed over to the White House for a summer event. And this friend of mine who's never met Dan before he met him last night, he said it was a nice experience. He goes, this is how he described Dan. He said, gruff but lovable. Which was really funny. Gruff but lovable. So I think that's a good description of Dan Bongino. So that's very cool. Okay, so let me get into what is going on with the President of the United States and investigating President Otto Pen. Last night, the President of the United States sent out a presidential memorandum ordering a full blown investigation into the Biden auto Pen scandal. A full blown investigation. And in this memorandum it says, the Counsel to the President, in consultation with the Attorney General, that's the Justice Department, and the head of any other relevant executive, department or agency shall investigate to the extent permitted by law, whether certain individuals conspired to deceive the public about Biden's mental state and unconstitutionally exercise the authorities and responsibilities of the President. You see that what they're saying is this is a constitutional crisis. This is what the President, the current. Our President of the United States, duly elected, says about the Biden presidency. Any activity, coordinated or otherwise, to purposefully shield the public from information regarding Biden's mental and physical health shall be investigated. Any agreements between Biden's aides to cooperatively and falsely deem recorded videos of the President's cognitive inability as fake. This would go right to, by the way, Corinne Jean Pierre, who said that actual videos of Joe Biden losing his mind on a campaign stage were nothing more than cheap fakes. That's the press secretary paid for by the American people, unfortunately. Number three, any agreements between Biden's aides to require false public statements, elevating the President's capabilities. Number four, the purpose of these activities, including to assert authorities of the President of the United States and the Counsel to the President, shall also investigate, in consultation with the Attorney General and the head of any other relevant agency, the circumstances surrounding Biden's supposed execution of numerous executive actions during his final years in office. This investigation shall address the policy documents for which the auto pen was used. In other words, stuff that Biden didn't sign, including clemency grants, executive orders, presidential memoranda or other presidential policy decisions, and whoever directed that the President's signature be affixed. Okay, all right. So that's the official memorandum from President Trump calling for a full blown investigation into President Otto Penn. This has to be done. This has to be done. He's not the first person in the administration to say this. The head of the DOJ Task Force on Weaponization is a guy called Ed Martin. Ed Martin is a great American. And he's been looking into this since the moment he became, for a short time the acting U.S. attorney for Washington D.C. he said he is both sent and received back a bunch of correspondence from Biden officials about the circumstances of Biden's presidency. So that is going on here now additionally worth knowing in the midst of all of this, the oversight project which has was one of the organizations that straight up pulled. If I can show you this. This doesn't require any audio. This straight up pulled. Look at this on my screen. These are the signatures of Joe Biden that they did the comparison of. They tried to figure out what was auto pen and what wasn't. And sure enough, look at this. I mean, just look at all of these signatures. They are down to the pixel, the same auto pen A and auto pen B. They're the same exact signature. If you sat down and tried to scrawl your signature over and over and over and then did a layover of it. If you did it by hand, there's no chance that that matches down to the pixel. No chance. It's impossible. It's only possible if this is auto pen. And you can see here on this video what they're showing you. Everything from anti drug trafficking, executive orders, Sudan sanctions, Russia sanctions, Zimbabwe, COVID 19 rules for court martials. These are all the same signature. Now the, here's the, here's the thing that you have to look out for. The oversight project has this, this thing up on how many of these signatures were done while Joe Biden was in Washington? In Washington. Now, Biden being in Washington means that he is present to actually do the signature. You should of course know that the auto pen is not only used for Biden. President Trump has used it on limited occasions. They do admit that they use it. Not that they have anything to hide. It's a presidential practice that happens for sure, especially when the President is away from the White House. So if President Trump is, say, at Mar a Lago, but he wants to authorize something, he just, he'll straight up say yes, he'll tell his staff that he's authorizing the use of the auto pen for that and then they sign it remotely. That's normal. That is a normal practice. What's not normal is having the President of the United States in the White House. And yet the auto pen was being used. And so here's what we know now. 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These statements and products have not been evaluated by the fda. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease or condition. All right, all right. The investigation into President Auto Pen, getting to the bottom of that garbage, that seems very important. And my next guest, well, he specializes in getting to the bottom of garbage. He's the president over at Judicial Watch. You do it all the time, Tom.

Tom Fitton (30:56)

That is true. That's why I always think it's always.

Vince (30:59)

Nice to see you. Hey, this seems like a big deal. This seems like a way bigger deal, I think, than people appreciate, certainly that the media appreciates. I'm watching the New York Times this morning just to give you a laugh. They. They're saying this is all conspiracy theory, a baseless conspiracy theory that Biden was non compos menthus.

Tom Fitton (31:17)

Yeah. You know, we've got a book now by Alex Jake Tapper, and of course, everyone witnessed it with their own eyes. Right. So that's the problem the media has. Everyone knows there was something going on and he may not have been able to run the show. And you can't really have your cake and eat it too. You can't have the Justice Department run, ratify a decision by the special counsel. We can't prosecute him because obviously he has failing memory.

Vince (31:43)

Right.

Tom Fitton (31:44)

And if that wasn't the position of the Justice Department, why didn't they prosecute Biden? Just reject the special counsel's recommendation based on the documents. So, and then you look at the pardons themselves. They're mighty strange. There have really been few similar pardons in American history. Maybe the Nixon pardon was similarly broad but suspicious nevertheless. Where you've had pardons for numerous people close to Biden that didn't specify crimes. And going back 10 years now, who came up with that solution?

Vince (32:16)

11 in some cases.

Tom Fitton (32:17)

Yeah.

Vince (32:17)

Who came up. They went back very specifically.

Tom Fitton (32:19)

And who came up with that solution? And when you look at, by the way, the pardon statement related to Hunter, clearly it was written by Hunter's lawyers. So null and void to begin with, as far as I'm concerned. Then on top of that, who signed them? Our friends at Heritage Oversight. They highlighted the issue of the auto pens. Now, auto pens can be used by a president.

Vince (32:42)

Yep.

Tom Fitton (32:42)

But there's got to be a paper trail. There has to be authorization, and I would argue specific authorization for each usage. I don't think you can generally just give away those core presidential powers, as Biden may have done in this regard. And to me, the paper trail ought to be pretty readily apparent. And if there is no paper trail, it lends further suspicion that these pardons are null and void.

Vince (33:08)

You know, one thing that, like I mentioned, the New York Times covers, they're saying, I'm already seeing kind of the. How they're working up their talking points. Well, no pardon's ever been overturned by a court. There's never been a process for that. They're basically saying, so. It's so novel, the idea that you would overturn a pardon.

Tom Fitton (33:24)

I got a plan.

Vince (33:25)

Well, wait a second. Everything about this entire scheme was novel. Like this is the violations themselves were novel. So, of course, you have to take a novel approach to redress them.

Tom Fitton (33:35)

You should proceed as if the pardons are null and void. Let the defendants raise it as a defense in court, litigate it. A pardon about nothing, to me, is unenforceable. So what are they even gonna be fighting over? And certainly the crimes associated with the pardon recipients can be investigated. They can be questioned. And you don't necessarily target someone who has been pardoned, but you don't let the pardon stop you from figuring out what crimes are associated with their conduct and then potentially prosecuting them.

Vince (34:06)

So if you have evidence that Fauci committed a crime, start the prosecution. If you have evidence that. Of course, we have lots of evidence that Hunter Biden committed crimes. Although in Hunter's case, that was hand signed by Joe. We know that signature is different than the auto pen signatures. So in that sense, unfortunately, perhaps for those of us who want to see justice there, that one seems to stand.

Tom Fitton (34:26)

But part of the pardon seems to stand. Now, the Hunter Biden pardon has elements that seem valid, specific violations of law for which he's being pardoned.

Vince (34:36)

Right.

Tom Fitton (34:37)

Then you have this section that and anything else he may have done in the last 10 or 11 years, as you point out.

Vince (34:42)

Yes. Well, that's an unusual. That's never been done before. Not that expansive.

Tom Fitton (34:46)

No. And Nixon had a kind of a broad pardon like that, and people were questioning whether it was sufficient or not, given the broad nature or appropriate. And when you look at the history of pardons, one could argue, and there's been certain court findings to this effect that the pardon doesn't stop you even from being put on trial, it just stops you from being punished. So you can arguably go through the entire process and to the degree the pardon is valid, it just stops you from going to jail. But you're found guilty.

Vince (35:17)

Right? Yeah. So you could still. You think that it's possible they could still be subjected to the court process for a fact finding mission in the.

Tom Fitton (35:25)

Least, I would test it with Millie. You know, I think there's questions of fraud related and perjury related to Fauci and the whole family, the Biden family. There's criminality that needs to be fully vetted as well, and it should be. No bar to prosecutions and in the least, no bar to investigations. And I feel that my concern is the administration's kind of walking around these core issues, though. Is there going to be a serious investigation of any of these issues I'm talking about?

Vince (35:54)

This is what I wanted to ask you about next because here's what we've seen. We've seen infamously on the right. We've seen a lot of fact finding missions that don't result in accountability action. Right. So big congressional investigations that give us a bunch of horrifying answers and then everyone is not charged because, well, it's outside of the statute of limitations. That happened a long time ago. Somebody already caught a wrist slap or whatever. Kevin Klein Smith gets to stampede all over the law and there's no accountability for him. So here's my worry about this, and it sounds to me like you're sharing it, that the President's asking for a full blown investigation into this and then we're gonna get some sort of spiral bound report without the kind of accountability that you and I want.

Tom Fitton (36:38)

I can do an investigation.

Vince (36:39)

You do this all the time. You don't have prosecuting.

Tom Fitton (36:42)

We don't need the government to do, quote, an investigation. We need the government to do, as you say, a prosecution. And if I were the president, I would just have a separate investigative prosecutorial unit outside the FBI and Justice Department. I know Dan and Cash probably want to get into some of this. As to what the FBI did in the past, I don't think the FBI can investigate the FBI and the doj, especially on law fair. They're compromised and conflicted and I would just. We kind of just need to get it done. It was last year they tried to destroy our republic by jailing our president.

Vince (37:14)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (37:15)

And I'm not seeing any urgency to figure out who should be held accountable for violating the Civil rights of Trump.

Vince (37:21)

And anyone else at the top of this program. I played. Perhaps you've seen the clip of Dan on Hannity last night. There was a clip. In fact, the one that he said. This is the one that he said, bookmark this. Oh, I saw. I did see that this morning. And the bookmark. This one was him being asked a question by Sean about Letitia James, Alvin Bragg, Fanny Willis, and Nathan Wade. And he said, I can't get ahead of what the Justice Department is doing right now on that issue. So I really can't give you more answers on this. But just again, Dan is emphasizing that area. So if you're looking at the people who actually did go after Trump and tried to rob him of his civil rights in that way, that's definitely the cabal that they're talking about.

Tom Fitton (38:05)

Well, you would think, but I'm not seeing any evidence that they're actually doing a criminal investigation of that cabal. And if they were, I think we'd see evidence. The cabal would be screaming about it.

Vince (38:16)

Yeah.

Tom Fitton (38:17)

You know, remember after January 6th, what happened? The Biden people came in and they went to town. They went after all of these folks related to January 6th.

Vince (38:25)

Yes, they did.

Tom Fitton (38:26)

They made it clear there are ongoing criminal investigations. Who were the targets? There were arrests, subpoenas issued, very public. And I'm sorry, I don't think all of this is being done in secret. I don't think it's being done. I think they're kind of circling around the issues. There may be some prosecutions, but I just don't see the comprehensive, comprehensive reform and oversight and prosecution.

Vince (38:50)

We know that the mortgage fraud case against Letitia James is real, and they're actually doing that. So that's part of this. I mean, there's definitely some investigative action going on against her. But that broader theme of are these guys lawyering up because the Justice Department is breathing down their necks, you're saying, well, I just haven't seen the public evidence for that right now.

Tom Fitton (39:07)

Where's the grand jury? And I'm sorry, it has been. You know, they keep on saying it's only been three months or four months, actually. That's a long time. It's a long time. And to build a case, it's a long time to not do anything publicly. And I'm not seeing evidence that's being done. And I don't trust the FBI and DOJ to be able to do it, because they're gonna have to investigate themselves if they seriously want to get it done. You know, who in the FBI was involved in the raid on Trump's home?

Vince (39:37)

Right.

Tom Fitton (39:37)

Who's gonna investigate the FBI's involvement?

Vince (39:40)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (39:41)

Who in the DOJ was involved? Who's gonna be investigating the doj?

Vince (39:45)

So what would you recommend? What would be the approach?

Tom Fitton (39:47)

I would have a separate investigative unit set up by the prosecutor in chief, our president. Appoint a special counsel who is answerable to him, and he should manage the investigation and the prosecutions and have other agency or outside contractors detailed to provide support.

Vince (40:04)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (40:04)

To do the sort of comprehensive analysis and investigation and, if necessary, prosecution. Under our Constitution, Donald Trump could go into the courtroom and prosecute a case if need be.

Vince (40:15)

Is this something that you've recommended to him?

Tom Fitton (40:18)

I don't say what I say or don't say to anybody in the White House. I've been very public.

Vince (40:24)

Well, you're publicly recommending. Right.

Tom Fitton (40:27)

So if Donald Trump is watching us, dear Mr. President, my favorite president, this is something he should do.

Vince (40:32)

Okay, so let me ask.

Tom Fitton (40:33)

I am officially recommending it on Vince's podcast.

Vince (40:36)

Okay, good. So we have an official recommendation to the president here. On the flip side of it, do you anticipate that this is something he would do?

Tom Fitton (40:45)

I would argue that if he doesn't do it, he's going to be prosecuted as soon as he gets out of office.

Vince (40:49)

They really want to hurt him. They've done it.

Tom Fitton (40:53)

In my view, the FBI has to be a husk of its former self and should be treated like usaid. We shouldn't be talking about trying to get people hired at the FBI and letting cops be cops. The FBI has proven itself a menace to our First Amendment rights and a tool of any president who comes into town who has their sights on their opponents as opposed to the rule of law. And it's too much of a threat. They've proven themselves incapable of doing the job that Americans expect them to do and can't be trusted.

Vince (41:26)

Yeah. And also one of the things we've discovered already through both Cash and Dan, who I am sincerely grateful for in that role, I mean, if there's anybody who's gonna be there, who I'd have any kind of confidence in, it's those two.

Tom Fitton (41:39)

I agree.

Vince (41:40)

And they say right up front, you've been hearing from Dan lately, He repeated it last night that they're finding rooms full of information that was meant to be concealed. So what that means is that they still have a huge active problem inside of the Bureau that they're tackling in the midst of trying to keep the country safe.

Tom Fitton (41:56)

This is why you need outsiders to come in and do the audits, do a forensics, A forensic analysis of the documents or the storage devices they have in there. Dan can't do it all on his own. I mean, Dan highlights all the work he's doing on other law enforcement matters. And I think it kind of takes pressure off of them to focus on the kind of. The current crises. And you have a separate agency or office reporting to the president who's doing the cleanup in aisle six.

Vince (42:25)

Yeah, yeah. Ed Martin seems like he's really focused on that.

Tom Fitton (42:29)

Ed could do it. There are all sorts of people you could appoint as special counsel, move someone over from doj, or bring in an outsider. Doj. With all due respect to the leadership of the FBI and the Justice Department, we know how it works. They go in. The bureaucracy is quite adept at focusing them on where they want to focus and trying to last, explaining why it is they can't do what they want to do and creating interesting issues for them to pursue that they know they're going to be interested in. And meanwhile, things just keep on going the way they've been going in large measure. I'm not seeing any Doge going on at the FBI to any great extent. Have you any, Doug?

Vince (43:08)

Doge, meaning the Canning people.

Tom Fitton (43:10)

The approach. The Doge approach. Now, they've been canning some people who've been affiliated with some of the prior abuses. Yes, but none of the traditional doge approach for waste, fraud and abuse. Same at the DOJ. And you know, the FBI has, what, 38,000 people working for it.

Vince (43:25)

Right. And they're recruiting more. They're trying to get more agents in.

Tom Fitton (43:28)

Look, at the end of the day, the only remaining person at the FBI should be Cash Patel and a few assistants, as they're basically shutting the lights off. That's what my view is. And so I kind of want them to do investigations as best as they're able. But let's not be naive about the way things have been going. What's the best indication of future behavior by political and administrative agencies?

Vince (43:56)

Past performance.

Tom Fitton (43:56)

Yeah, that's right. It's the exact opposite for the stock market, right? Yes, that's right.

Vince (44:00)

No, that's true. Okay, let me ask you about what would happen if Democrats get control of the House. They've got right now, Jasmine Crockett, one of the leaders of the party, is saying that it's time for impeachment again. And I'm seeing Axios has a report up this morning that Democrats disagree and this is giving them agita and they. No, they don't. They. It's my view that the second they get a hold on power again, they're once again impeaching President Trump for a third time.

Tom Fitton (44:28)

Oh, yeah. In the lease, you can be sure there'll be charges. You can see them circling around, allegations of criminality associated with Trump and his family, fake allegations, but they don't need much to start charging him. So I don't think it's going to be limited to impeachment. And remember, they wanted to get him killed last time around. You know, you had Benny Thompson put a bill forward that would have denied him Secret Service protection if he was sent the Rikers, which would have been a death sentence.

Vince (44:55)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (44:56)

These guys, you know, and who did they use to go after him was the FBI and doj. And I was joking with Bannon a few weeks ago. I said it was Trump's DOJ that tried to put him in jail, effectively. So let's not think that we have to wait for Democrats to come in in order for us to be at risk. You could have a Republican president succeed President Trump, assuming Trump's term is limited to just two. And we could have a doj. Oh, we gotta, you know, do what Trump is now doing with Biden.

Vince (45:29)

Right, right, right. Yeah. Leakers, deceivers, saboteurs. We saw all that in Trump 1. And now we, you know, very much a risk.

Tom Fitton (45:37)

And we still don't have the documents. You know, we're in it for the documents initially. Right. And FBI is stalling documents to us. DOJ is stalling documents to us.

Vince (45:47)

They're still stalling to you now.

Tom Fitton (45:48)

Yeah.

Vince (45:49)

So I know that one thing that the document production has ramped up from the FBI is to Congress. I know that those guys who've been asking for documents have been getting at a pretty rapid clip relative to what it's been in the past. A lot of the Crossfire hurricane, all that stuff is showing up in Congress, which is good news.

Tom Fitton (46:06)

We sued for the Crossfire hurricane two years ago and we haven't gotten one document. Well, I shouldn't say one document, but we haven't gotten the documents.

Vince (46:13)

You haven't gotten what you wanted.

Tom Fitton (46:14)

Yeah.

Vince (46:14)

And so what's the answer for that?

Tom Fitton (46:16)

I think they should.

Vince (46:17)

I mean, what are they saying? I mean, obviously, I would imagine that the relationship you have now must be a better one, that it's better, more of a good faith relationship.

Tom Fitton (46:24)

But, I mean, we've got.

Vince (46:25)

Are they giving you excuses?

Tom Fitton (46:26)

You know, like, the DOJ has given us documents. We typically wouldn't have gotten, for instance, on the. Her tapes.

Vince (46:32)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (46:33)

They gave us documents showing the White House is trying to change the transcript, literally to make it seem like he didn't forget his son's death.

Vince (46:40)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (46:40)

The year of his son's death. And that material typically would never be released under foia. So there was that positive step. But typically it's the same old, same old. I mean, we're not getting any faster responses to our pending FOIA lawsuits and litigation. And, you know, and I would recommend they just file. Follow a FOIA process in releasing records. You know, the problem they had with Epstein and the JFK records, both of which we've sued on since then.

Vince (47:09)

Right.

Tom Fitton (47:10)

Is that they kind of did public leaks. And the problem when you do a public leak, and I don't want to say I'm against transparency, but people say, well, where did you look? What are you withholding?

Vince (47:20)

Right.

Tom Fitton (47:20)

And the only way to make sure, you know how. That what's happening in that regard is through litigation.

Vince (47:26)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (47:27)

The FOIA process. And so I would encourage them to follow the FOIA process. Don't make it the perfect. The enemy of the good in the sense of pretending that the FOIA process gets in the way of releasing records because the decisions that the. So when Dan gets on TV and says, you know, we're looking at the videos.

Vince (47:44)

Yeah.

Tom Fitton (47:44)

Of the Epstein, the hallway, the core, and we want to make them, we want to clean them up. We're like, just give us the doc. You know, we asked for these documents two months ago.

Vince (47:54)

Right.

Tom Fitton (47:54)

So if you're going to release them, release them. You clean them up later. Do whatever you want with them later. But we want the. The records.

Vince (48:00)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tom Fitton (48:00)

Where are those records you keep on referencing records you're seeing or sending to Congress? The public isn't seeing these records. Why is that? And maybe it's because they're kind of running, you know, they're kind of in an emergency. You know, maybe there's an emergency aspect.

Vince (48:16)

And we won't know until we see that video what it is that they'd actually have to clean up, you know, because it sounds to me like typically video footage, especially if it's a security camera, you could release it. But there must be some underlying reason, again, in Dan's case, I'm not distrusting. I'm perfectly fine with him saying that, but I'm with you on the transparency.

Tom Fitton (48:34)

Yeah. It's not a question of whether I like Dan or not. It's like, I just know the way the agencies work and the FBI. I've been doing this at Judicial Watch for almost 30 years. And you know, don't piss down my leg and tell me it's raining.

Vince (48:48)

For sure. Yes.

Tom Fitton (48:49)

You know, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, the FBI, I'm not seeing any evidence of a real systemic criminal prosecution or investigation of the lawfare. I'm not seeing an understanding that they start. They need to really deal in an urgent basis, on an urgent basis with releasing and disclosing information about what went on. And frankly, the FBI should be treated like Japan at the end of World War II. You know, I'm sorry, you're not.

Vince (49:20)

You're not.

Tom Fitton (49:20)

We're not going to leave you ever able to do what you did to us again.

Vince (49:25)

Yes. Your governance will never look the same again. That's true. That happened in Japan. Okay. Last thing I know that you're concerned about election integrity.

Tom Fitton (49:34)

Oh, yeah.

Vince (49:34)

It's a big focus for you. That matters a great deal. If this whole system's gonna keep going, people have to have faith in our elections. What's the latest for you?

Tom Fitton (49:42)

Well, Supreme Court's gonna take up a big case of ours. We sued in Illinois for a congressman, Mike Boston. Two electors in Illinois, they count ballots that arrive for up to two weeks after election day in Illinois. And we had a similar lawsuit in Mississippi. And the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals said, you should watch this right here. Our clients are right. Counting ballots arrive after election day is contrary to federal law, which sets an election day, not an election week. But in Illinois, they didn't even want to deal with the merits. They said the. The congressman, the candidate had no standing to challenge the illegal counting of ballots. So we appealed. We lost the appeal. It was a split appeal, 2. 1, which suggests that maybe we were on, you know, that was a bad decision. And the Supreme Court this week said they're going to take up our case. So they're going to consider whether essentially federal candidates can go into court and try to stop an election from being stolen.

Vince (50:38)

Yes. Well, I mean, you would think they would be the injured party.

Tom Fitton (50:41)

You would think so. Knock on wood. You never know with the Supreme Court. Of course, it's an election related case. So things get always a little bit weirder with the courts and election cases. My suspicion is they didn't like the idea of Trump challenging elections. And that kind of has kind of impacted their theory of standing in too many courts that candidates or frankly, others who have the right to or should have the right to, can't get the time of day in courts. And of Course, what The left says. 60. 60 court decisions. No, you know, a lot of those cases were thrown out for lack of standing and things like that. I'm not sure. I'm not saying all of that would be impacted by this particular lawsuit or this particular Supreme Court case. But it's important for the court, in our view, to affirm that certainly a federal candidate, sitting member of Congress, should be able to challenge whether a state is complying with federal law in the way the election's being run.

Vince (51:38)

What could be more American than protecting the will of the people? What could possibly be more American than that? All you're saying is, I wanna make sure that the people's voice is accurately represented. It has to be the most common sense thing in the world.

Tom Fitton (51:50)

In California, they count ballots seven days after Election Day. That arrived seven days after Election Day. You know, when Trump had an EO kind of cementing the policy that. Yes, and he made the good point in eo. He goes, it's like a voter showing up three days after the polls close and saying, open them up. I want to vote.

Vince (52:06)

Yes.

Tom Fitton (52:07)

But in California, two Democrats won. I quote marks, for those of you just listening, not watching. And beat two, replaced two Republicans based on ballots that were counted after that arrived after Election Day. So late arriving ballots, on our view, under the law, were counted and changed the election results. If I were in the House, I'd be doing a whole host of hearings. And I think there's a basis to change those seats.

Vince (52:42)

Yeah. In order to, again, accurately reflect the will of the voters who play by the rules. Yeah, no, that's worth digging into. All right, well, look, Judicial Watch continues relentlessly to go after all of this. Doesn't matter who's in power. And that's why we like you. Thank you, man.

Tom Fitton (52:56)

Thank you.

Vince (52:56)

Good to see you here, Tom, as always.

Tom Fitton (52:58)

Thank you.

Vince (52:58)

There's Tom Fitton from Judicial Watch. Thank you again to Tom Plowing ahead here. And so we've got. We've got a lot going on here in the country, including. I've got some amazing stuff for you. I've got. Do you know that there are Democrats who still can't resist telling you that the reason we need illegal aliens in the country is to be their servants? This is a Vermont congresswoman. A Vermont congresswoman. She's a real Democrat congresswoman by the name of Becca Ballant. Becca Ballant, who actually said this week at a forum that if you deport everybody, if all the illegals are gone, then who's going to wipe my ass? That's what. She said that out loud. She said that out. Yes, she said that out loud. Take a look. Cut one. A real Democrat congresswoman saying she needs servants to wipe her butt. Labor. And of course, we have to come to a place in Congress where it.

Tom Fitton (54:03)

Is no longer a political issue, but.

Vince (54:06)

We see it as an existential issue for the country. If we.

Dan Bongino (54:12)

We don't have avenues for people to.

Tom Fitton (54:15)

Come here legally to work or to.

Vince (54:18)

Build a home here. I'm going to be really crude right now.

Tom Fitton (54:22)

We're not going to have anybody around to wipe our asses because we don't have enough people. What.

Vince (54:31)

If we deport everyone? Who's going to wipe my ass? Now that tells you everything. In case you're wondering, how did that woman become a Democrat? Because there's literally nothing that she can do for herself. That particular act is something that from a young age you should be capable of handling on your own. But no, no, not in the case of that Democrat. She needs servants to do that for her. That is what she needs. And she's not the first Democrat. You know, Joe Biden, remember this? Joe Biden said something very similar at one point when he was standing outside the White House.

Tom Fitton (55:06)

Immigration needs to be a mechanic. Creation must be a reconciliation. My butt's been wiped.

Vince (55:15)

My butt's been wiped, said Joe Biden. And one would assume, based on what we're hearing, that it was an illegal alien who had the unenviable task of doing that. Yeah. Isn't that remarkable? These Democrats, you give them a microphone and you let them talk long enough, they're just gonna straight up say what they actually want, which is, we would like an underpaid surf class to be imported into the United States so we can exploit them for our own advantages. Who's gonna do my gardening? Who's gonna clean my house? Who's gonna cook for me? Who's gonna wipe my ass? That is what Democrats think when they think, oh, no, they're deporting illegals. They really think, oh, no, where am I going to underpay servants? How am I going to do that? And maybe, maybe that is a job that Americans don't want. I can't think of a single one who would want the job of wiping that crazy lady's ass. So there she is, calling for that. They always tell on themselves. Always. Just let them talk long enough, they tell on themselves. We had another great moment yesterday. A Democrat who was asked to account for her own words. Check out cut six here. This is a woman, the Democrat witness At a congressional hearing on NGOs, Congressman Brandon Gill went back and looked at the history of her NGOs and said, well, wait a second. You say that all white people are racist, so are you racist? Take a look.

Tom Fitton (56:41)

Are you a racist? With all due respect, sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do.

Vince (56:48)

Excuse me?

Tom Fitton (56:48)

That's a very simple question. Yes or no question. Are you a racist? I'm not a racist. You're not a racist? Particularly interesting because according to one of your affiliate charities under your nonprofit umbrella, denial of racism constitutes covert white supremacy. Are you a covert white supremacist? Sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits. Are you a covert white supremacist? Can I talk about the work that nonprofits do in. No, I'm asking you if you're a covert white supremacist, which according to one of your own organizations, again, denial of racism constitutes covert white supremacy. Would you like to answer that question? I don't know what the question is. So you refuse to answer whether you are a covert white supremacist? I am here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do.

Vince (57:43)

I'm going to take that as a yes. Yes, she is. She's a covert white supremacist. Can you imagine in your wildest years, can you imagine any moment somebody asks you, are you a racist? No. Are you a white supremacist? No. Are you a covert white supremacist? No. Next question. This is easy. Are these all the questions? I'm ready for this. I didn't even have to do homework for this. I could hit these out of the park. These are softballs. Big fat softballs right across the plate. Are you a covert white supremacist? I don't wanna talk about that. What? I'm sorry. You have an organization that straight up declared that in fact denial of you're white supremacy means you're a white supremacist. Tell us more. That Brandon Gill is a superpower. And his superpower is reading Democrats own words back to them until they self immolate. Which you just saw. That was amazing. And you're amazing. The best damn audience in media. Thank you for doing this again today. We'll be back tomorrow for another episode of Vince. Rumble.com. vince, you can find it there. You also get the national radio show rumble.com/vince. We do it 12 to three each day. You can watch me hang out with us on the radio show. Great to have you with us today. We're back tomorrow with another big one.