Who Else Were They Spying On? | Episode 141

Summary

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VINCE Podcast — Episode 141: "Who Else Were They Spying On?"

Host: Vince Coglianese
Guest: Haley Caranilla
Date: October 7, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into major breaking stories involving threats to U.S. immigration enforcement by gang members, the collusion alleged between gangs and Democratic city leadership, and an explosive revelation: members of Congress—including sitting U.S. senators—were allegedly surveilled by Jack Smith and the Biden Department of Justice. Vince brings his usual sharp-witted, irreverent perspective, and is later joined in studio by Haley Caranilla, who shares her unfiltered insights and career journey in political media.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Threats Against Immigration Officers and Political Response

[03:00 - 18:00]

• Vince details escalating threats faced by ICE and Border Patrol officers, most notably a $10,000 bounty allegedly placed on an officer by a Latin Kings gang leader (“Monkey,” Juan Espinoza Martinez).
• Chicago’s Democratic leadership, specifically Mayor Brandon Johnson, is slammed for enacting “ICE-Free Zones,” which Vince equates to insurrection against federal law enforcement:

  “We fought a civil war over this issue... Law enforcement can go in and enforce the law whether you like it or not, Brandon Johnson, and what the hell is wrong with you?” (Vince, 14:15)

• The refusal of city police to assist ICE officers during a recent terror attack is discussed, with Vince suggesting deliberate political interference with law enforcement.
• Democratic officials, including Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker, are accused of spreading misinformation (such as viral “zip-tied children” TikTok videos) about ICE, further endangering officers' reputations and safety.
• Vince connects lenient city policies to increased gang violence and accuses Democrats of aligning with criminal elements:

  "Democrats are all in with the Latin Kings… Brandon Johnson puts a target on the back of Immigration Enforcement. And then Monkey tries to pull the trigger. That’s the one-two punch…" (Vince, 28:15)

Notable Moment

• Vince reacts to the arrest of “Monkey” and the absurdity of his public persona (“high-vis shirt,” “peeing his pants”):

  “It does kind of look like he peed his pants. Monkey peed his pants? Look at that... Good.” (Vince, 26:15)

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2. Senators Spied On: ‘Spygate’ Revelations

[31:15 - 34:30]

• Dan Bongino briefs U.S. Senators about surveillance: The key reveal is that Jack Smith and the Biden DOJ, via an operation called “Arctic Frost,” spied on nearly a dozen Republican senators during the January 6 probe.
• List of alleged targets includes: Lindsey Graham, Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Hawley, Cynthia Lummis, Bill Hagerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, and Rep. Mike Kelly.
• Vince contextualizes these revelations within prior governmental abuse scandals, stating:

  “You could take any number of American political scandals and combine them all. And this is bigger than all of those.” (Vince, 32:15)

• Sen. Ron Johnson calls the surveillance “completely outrageous”, emphasizing the timing—occurring after Trump’s Mar-a-Lago raid and indictment, suggesting partisan motivation.

  “This memo was dated September 2023... This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American.” (Sen. Ron Johnson, 33:10)

• Vince speculates that, had Democrats maintained unified control of government, these activities would have escalated uncontrollably.
• He credits voters for “stopping further injustices” by shifting congressional control:

  “Every one of these Republican senators have you to thank for stopping further injustices... Were it not for that fact pattern right now, we would not know about the extent of the surveillance.” (Vince, 34:05)

Memorable Quote

• “Dan Bongino himself personally gets this information from the FBI and he hand walks it over to the United States Senate... This is a massive, massive story.” (Vince, 34:15)

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3. In-Depth Interview: Haley Caranilla’s Origin Story

[34:30 – 57:50]

First Impressions of DC

• Haley notes a marked reduction in homelessness since her last visit:

  “I'm seeing less homeless people... Honestly impressed with how clean it is.” (Haley, 35:00)

• She recounts attempting man-on-the-street interviews around the monuments, noting most passersby weren’t native English speakers.

Career Path in Media

• From local Long Island news intern to Fox News promotions writer, then to booking and producing for Hannity:

  “I interned maybe four or five times... My first internship was in local news... but I need to think a little bigger. I'm more interested in politics.” (Haley, 37:19)

• Transition from off-camera roles to digital and new media:

  "I started getting work nightmares... we had a rule: no matter the time, you answer your phone if the network calls." (Haley, 44:06)

• Describes intense competition—even between Fox shows—and the importance of concise writing and adaptability in news.
• The pivotal role Dan Bongino played in mentoring her podcasting ambitions:

  "If you're not under contract, you're coming with me." (Dan Bongino, as quoted by Haley, 56:01)

“Nightly Scroll” and New Media Innovation

• Vince highlights the difficulty of breaking into on-camera work when standard is “you can’t do TV unless you’ve done TV.”
• Haley describes her jump to new media, creating “proof of concept” via her own podcast, which caught Bongino’s attention and led to her current platform.
• Discussion on the evolving audience and experimentation in right-leaning digital media.

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4. Show Wrap-Up: Inside the Silverlock Network

[57:50 – End]

• Friendly banter about show producing, guest appearances, and Andy (Nightly Scroll’s recurring character).
• Plug for Sean Spicer’s Navy promotion event that both host and guest are attending.
• Vince teases a future, deeper interview with Dan Bongino about surveillance and political abuses.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On ICE Officer Threats:
  “These are bounties for the assassination of the guys who you and I are entrusting… I lift up a prayer for men and women of law enforcement… And then two, in case you’re wondering… Latin King’s gang member has been arrested. They got Monkey. They got him.” (Vince, 25:10)
• On Democrat City Policy:
  “Brandon Johnson may not be familiar with this, but we fought a civil war over this issue. It’s called the Supremacy Clause… If the feds want to go in and enforce law… they are absolutely not just entitled to do it, but constitutionally protected to do it.” (Vince, 13:45)
• On Media Competition:
  “There was a lot of internal competition. It was a lot of Fox bookers fighting with FOX bookers to get the best guests. So we were working 24/7.” (Haley, 44:48)
• On Breaking Into Podcasting:
  “It's one of the cruel but definitely real things about media... you're not allowed to do TV unless you've done television before, right?” (Vince, 53:07)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Gang Threats to ICE Officers and Chicago Politics: 03:00 – 30:00
• “Spygate 10.0” / Senate Surveillance Revelation: 31:15 – 34:30
• Haley Caranilla Interview (Media Career & "Nightly Scroll"): 34:30 – 57:50
• Show wrap-up, network talk, and event teasers: 57:50 – End

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Final Notes

This episode offers a compelling—and at times provocative—look at ongoing battles between federal immigration enforcement and Democratic city officials, woven together with breaking news about DOJ surveillance of Republican senators. Vince’s commentary is sharp and deeply critical of Democratic leadership, while the interview with Haley Caranilla provides both levity and insight into the rapidly shifting landscape of political media.

Listeners seeking a bracing mix of news, outrage, inside baseball, and media industry talk will find this episode densely packed with revelations and personality.

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Transcript

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Hey, everybody. Welcome to Vince on a Tuesday. Man, it is great to have you with us. The best audience anywhere, including turtle 1950, who said, how come Vince started late? Well, not my fault. You can blame Guy. Guy had to use the bathroom. Guy's got a very rigorous bathroom schedule. Just happens to be right as the show is beginning. It is great to be with you today. Hey, I've got a lot to get to. We've got immigration officials under threat by gangsters right here in the United States of America. In other words, the gangs are on the same exact side of this equation as elected Democrats in places like Chicago. Those birds of a feather, they do flock together. We've also got updates for you on the. It's really. I guess this is like. Go ahead. Spygate 10.0 where we now find out that sitting United States senators were spied upon by Jack Smith and the Biden Department of Justice. Brand new information just made public and briefed to United States Senators by a guy called Dan Bongino, who just did that Monday, gave a big briefing to a bunch of U.S. senators. We'll dive into the details there and then we'll be joined by the great Haley Caranilla live in studio today. Joining me in Washington D.C. we've got a massive show. Massive show. I'm glad you're here for it. It's brought to you by Blackout Coffee, the official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock. You can go to blackoutcoffee.com Vince. Use the code. Vince. That's V I N C E for 20% off. Your first order. Thank you to Blackout. Supercharging me today. So good. Anarcho capitalist. This is bigger than Watergate and Whitewater combined. You're damn right it is. It's way bigger. Thank you, anarcho capitalist, for being here. Let's see. Yeah, so we got a lot going on. And yes, I did show up in Haley's chat last night and I did say that Carrot Topp is the greatest comedian of all time. Just to roll a grenade into the chat. That was fun. It was great to see all of you on Haley's program last night. And then we'll have Haley with us right here in studio coming up in a short while. Hey, the Fed has finally dropped interest rates. That's great news for American homeowners. Expenses have been a major burden on families in the United States. Wages, well, they've been flat. You can thank Biden and the left for that. Prices have kept climbing and for many, the only way to make ends meet has been to lean on credit cards. But that cycle of high interest debt, it makes it hard to stay ahead. Now, if you're a homeowner, I want you to call my friends at American Financing because right now interest rates have dropped and many homeowners are seeing options in the low fives. Compare that to credit cards charging rates in the twenties or higher. American Financing can help you pay off that expensive debt, free up your cash flow and keep your budget under control. 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But Democrats are doing everything they can to get in the way of immigration enforcement right now. And that's at a number of levels. Look at what's happening in Congress right now. In Congress, Democrats have shut down the government. Now, for most of us, that's a perfectly fine thing. We don't normally care. In fact, the federal government not being a part of my life is great. In fact, I want the President to take advantage of this and fire a bunch of people. There's a great opportunity. Please, Mr. President, use it to your advantage. Use it to the full US of your powers right now. But one of the effects of this is that ICE officers, Border patrol officers, members of the military, these guys are not getting paid. These paydays are coming up and they're not gonna be making this money now. Eventually they'll get their back pay, which is fine. But tell that to a young military family. Tell that to an entry level ICE officer. Tell that to a guy who's just getting started in his Border patrol career and he's got a family to support. Yeah, don't you worry, a couple of paychecks from now, we'll eventually get you all that back pay. No, that's miserable what these guys have to go through. And you can thank Democrats for that. The reason that these guys are not getting paid right now, Democrats. Meanwhile, in the cities and states that Democrats run, nightmare for ICE officers, nightmare for Border Patrol, nightmare for the guys who are trying to enforce immigration for a number of reasons. Among them, you've got the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, the least popular BJ in America. This guy declared yesterday that in the city of Chicago, where I'll remind you, ICE officers were just subjected to a terror attack this past weekend. Chicago police were told, hey, don't respond to the scene of the crime. Don't go help law enforcement as they're under attack. That just happened in Chicago. And now you get Brandon Johnson going on national television yesterday and saying, you know what? We're gonna make things worse. We're gonna make things worse for Chicago. Here's Mayor Brandon Johnson. Cut one. Saying that now the city of Chicago will include no go zones for ice. ICE is not allowed to operate on city property in an American city. Listen to this from the mayor. Today we are signing an executive order aimed at reining in this out of control administration. The order establishes ICE free zones. That means that city property and unwilling private businesses will no longer serve as staging grounds for these raids. No more staging grounds, no more using city property to be able to do your job. Now, Brandon Johnson may not be familiar with this, but we fought a civil war over this issue. It's called the Supremacy clause of the United States Constitution. If the feds want to go in and enforce law on American property, on public property in the United States of America, yes, that includes city property. They are absolutely not just entitled to do it, but constitutionally protected to do it. Law enforcement can go in and enforce the law whether you like it or not. Brandon Johnson, and what the hell is wrong with you? You root against immigration enforcement. You root for more violence in your city. You know, yesterday he was using, he used an analogy and I talked about it yesterday on the podcast. It's crazy that we talked about this and then Brandon Johnson came out and he inverted it perfectly yesterday. He said yesterday that right now the American right is looking to launch a civil war in the United States, that it's the right that's looking to launch a civil war. Now you tell me whether or not that makes any sense to you? Because think about it. You've got. The left is assassinating conservatives, assassinating Charlie Kirk, gunning them down because they disagree with what he says. The left is in open revolt against the federal government of the United States. The left is refusing to assist in going after criminals in all of these states. The left is protecting an institution that's designed to exploit underpaid foreign nationals for cheap labor, for votes, for electoral college advantages, to rig the congressional seats in the United States. That's what they're doing right now. So you tell me, if this is a civil war, what side do you think you're on, Brandon Johnson? Because it sounds like the side that Democrats were on in the first place was open rebellion, insurrection against the United States. You're just doing it again in this century. Here's Brandon Johnson yesterday. Take a look here. I'm gonna pull up on my screen. Here's Brandon Johnson talking about, oh, we're in a civil war. The right wants us to be in a civil war. No, no, no, we want peace. You want chaos. I said very candidly that the right wing in this country wants a rematch of the Civil War. I just, I want that to sit in right now. Because the President of the United States of America has declared war on the people of Chicago and people across America. He's more interested in giving billions of dollars to other nations while farmers in urban cities around this country are literally being destabilized. Oh, this guy's not looking out for the farmers. He's not looking out for anybody. He's not even looking out for the people of his own city, Chicago, which has sky high murder rates, which the President is trying to bring down. And the least you can do is just do what they're doing in Memphis, Tennessee, work with the President to stop this chaos. Unless, of course, that's what you want. And so why wouldn't we conclude that all he wants is chaos? That all he wants is chaos. He wants that chaos and wants to blame President Trump for it. What an awful human being. And this guy finds himself in league with the worst people on the planet. That includes gangsters, outright gangsters. Breaking on Monday evening. Last night, we find out from a website called, a news website called CWB Chicago. A bunch of outlets were confirming this after they ran this report from the feds. That Latin gang, excuse me, Latin Kings leader puts out $10,000 hit on ice Commander in Chicago, the Latin King Gang. The Latin King gang, which started in Chicago, is supposed to represent Puerto Ricans. Now for those of you playing along at home. What country is Puerto Rico a part of? The United States of America. So the gang members are not only criminals, they're retarded. They think that stopping killing immigration enforcement officers is somehow going to protect Puerto Ricans. What in the world are they talking about? Federal prosecutors say a Latin King gang leader offered a $10,000 bounty for the killing of a senior immigration enforcement officer after an ICE agent shot a woman in Chicago this weekend. A source familiar with the investigation identified the intended target as Commander Gregory Bevino, who has been leading the Border Patrol's high profile Midway blitz operation in the city. Juan Espinoza Martinez, 37 years old, known by the street name Monkey, is accused of offering a $10,000 reward for Bevino's murder and $2,000 for information about Bavino's location. The case, which was unsealed on Monday, outlines how Martinez allegedly used social media encrypted messaging and his position within the Latin Kings to rally members of the gang after a police involved shooting involving border patrol in Brighton park on Saturday. So you see here, for those of you watching rumble.com Vince, here is Monkey's text message. And he wrote $2,000 on info. Kwondo lo garan, meaning $2,000 on information when you get him and $10,000 if you take him down. Latin Kings LK, he writes with a couple of, you know, hand signals in emoji form on him, on him. So they're calling for hits on top immigration officials. These are bounties for the assassination of the guys who you and I are entrusting, who the people of Chicago would like to see come in and clean up their city. This is who the gangsters are trying to kill. So one, I lift up a prayer for men and women of law enforcement, of ice, of Border Patrol who are trying to do these jobs. It's a prayer of protection for people like Gregory Bovino that they can do their job with tremendous amounts of success and safety. And then two, in case you're wondering, I know the chat is wondering. Conrad's five, the latest to ask this. Can he be arrested? What about arresting this guy? Wonderful question. I love that question. That's. That's the question I had, too. And here we go. Latin King's gang member has been arrested. They got Monkey. They got him. Latin King's gang member arrested in Illinois after placing a hit on the commander at large of the Border Patrol. Chief Bavino. This is from Department of Homeland Security. Released overnight, the Department of Homeland Security announcing the arrest of that criminal Illegal alien and Latin Kings gang member who placed a bounty on Gregory Pavino on October 3, 2025. Just a few days ago. Four days ago. Now, a confidential source provided information indicating a hit had been placed on Chief Bavino by a member of the Latin King street gang. Ice. Homeland Security Investigations identified the individual who placed the hit. That's Juan Espinoza Martinez. We know him as Monkey and arrested him on October 6th in Burr Ridge, Illinois. That would be Monday. They placed this arrest. And for those of you looking on rumble.com, vince, we've got the image up of Monkey dressed in his high vis yellow shirt. Look at this idiot. Was he hard to find? No, he stood out. He had his. He had his high vis shirt on and there he is. And he was arrested. Look at that. DEA, ATF. I'm seeing FBI in there. U.S. border Patrol. I'm not sure who that one in the middle is. There's another one in there. It's a lady. A lady cop who arrested him. Isn't that wonderful? Look at that. So everybody arrests this idiot. They face him towards the camera. The rest of them face away from the camera to protect their identities. Because they don't want gangsters putting out hits on their families and themselves. And he's getting what he deserves. I really hope when they took him into custody that he put up a struggle. I really do. But yeah, yeah, he is tiny, isn't he? He's elfin. They took this guy. What'd they find him inside the Keebler tree? How did they get ahold of this guy in his high vis shirt? Anyway, they took him into custody and. Yeah, it does kind of look like he peed his pants. Monkey peed his pants? Look at that he's got. Poor guy. He was all scared, rattled. Good. Anyway, he was trying to kill Immigration enforcement and that didn't work out. That's right, Fafo monkey boy. That's exactly right. He wet himself. What an idiot. So he got what he deserved. And that's what happened to Monkey. But the reality is, think about this. So you have Monkey putting out a hit on Gregory Bevino. And Democrats are all in with Monkey. Greg. The Democrats are all in with the Latin Kings. This gang, Brandon Johnson puts a target on the back of Immigration Enforcement. And then Monkey tries to pull the trigger. That's the one, two punch that the left is leading right now. Over the weekend, you had the governor of Illinois, Jelly Belly Pritzker, JB Pritzker, on television telling people that ICE are a bunch of violent racists. That they're chasing people down because of their skin color. They're going after black and brown people. These are the kinds of poisonous lies that the Democrats are telling. Yesterday I played audio for you of JB Pritzker saying that there were little kids being put in, what do they call them? Zip ties. They said they were zip tying children. Zip tying children? What are you talking about? The second I heard him say it, I was like, he's lying. And it turns out he was lying. There was nothing to that. In fact, this lie, the left has been pushing this thing about a zip tie. I'm going to show you this if I can find it for you. It's so crazy. A CNN panel this weekend was doing this too. CNN Daily Caller had this piece. CNN spreads anti ice lie after being duped by TikTok skit. And they said a CNN panel falsely insinuated on Saturday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement was arresting a young child in a zip tie after citing a TikTok video that had been proven fake. You wanna take a look at this? Let me see if I can even pull up TikTok. I don't have a TikTok account. Look at this on the screen if you can. I'll let you adjust for this. I'm driving gee crazy right now because I'm putting all this stuff on screen. Look at this. Somebody put this up on screen. It's like a three year old or a two year old who can barely walk for the first time. It's obviously a skit. This is not a real arrest of a child being put in zip ties. And yet this is going around on like blue sky and TikTok and these left. The idiots are sharing it with one another like it's really happening. Like Donald Trump is zip tying 2 year olds to get him out of the country. It's so crazy. It's, you know, they just lie and they become so accustomed to it. It's done so completely, shamelessly. So Jelly belly thinks that that kid, that kid was busted by ice. It's so stupid. It's unbelievably stupid. Oh, man. They've got the mental capacity of a Latin Kings member. It's really remarkable. But it's a tragic situation we find ourselves in where you're looking at guys like our immigration officers. They're under serious threat. We can make light of how dumb these people are, but their dumbness is also very dangerous. Our immigration enforcement officers are under constant and relentless threat and they're not getting the backup they deserve. They're not getting the backup at all. The city of Chicago screwed those people over, screwed our immigration officials over, over the weekend when they allowed them to be boxed in in a terror attack and they had to get out of their cars and they had to shoot their way out of that awful situation. And they had no cops to help them out because the cops were told to stand down. Do you think that cops in Chicago wanted to respond to that? They damn well did. They definitely did. I've been hearing from Chicago police sources telling me they absolutely wanted to respond. They were shut down by their leadership. What a disgrace. I've got a lot more ahead on the program for you, including what stuff our friend Dan Bongino has discovered at the FBI and just briefed a number of United States senators on the details on that ahead. Hayley Caranilla ahead. So much more to get to here on this episode of Vince. Hey, you already know the name Blackout Coffee. It's probably the official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock. There is a reason for that. You see, it's bold, unapologetic America first coffee. It's roasted fresh right here in the United States. It's not grocery store junk. Blackout Coffee delivers rich, high quality roasts that actually taste like freedom. And now you can set it and you can forget it with auto refill and and recurring delivery. This means no more running out, no more watered down backups, just your favorite roast delivered fresh on your schedule. I just cracked open a new bag of beans this morning, actually. Brutal awakening. So good. It's all so good. 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There's people who is like, slam that like button. Smash the like button. You don't have to smash. No. Around here, you can gently tap. You can casually tap. You just. You can, you can backhand it if you want. Just a little boop. Like a licko. A boop. Right on the. On the like button. That goes a long way. It helps the. Helps the program out. I assume. I assume. I don't know how the algorithm works. I assume that like button does something. So give it a like. Would you. And if you're here for the first time, would you subscribe to the show as well? That would be a big deal. Anywhere you're getting the program, please subscribe. Thank you for that. All right. Yes. No, Chris. 4242. Totally right. You know you're on the wrong side. When the gangs agree with you, when the people who use violence in the pursuit of power agree with you, then you kind of know you're on the wrong side. Yeah. Speaking of abuses of power, we're finding out brand new information about what the hell is going on when Jack Smith was leading a deranged, tyrannical investigation and indictment into the former and then future President of the United States, Donald Trump. Here's what we've learned. The great Dan Bongino, deputy Director of the FBI, has just briefed United States senators and told them that they were being spied on by Jack Smith. Jack Smith tracked the private communications and phone calls of nearly a dozen Republican senators during his supposed January 6 probe, according to the FBI. So Dan. Basically what we find out is Dan went over to Capitol Hill yesterday with some urgent information he needed to tell these United States senators that their phone calls were being intercepted with by the Biden administration. They were being spied on. Being spied on. Dan's the perfect guy to do it. So what was the first book was Spygate. Right. So maybe we get a Spygate 2.0, you know, maybe that changes, you know, and I'm gonna get to that. Sam H. Is in the chat. He's saying something about, you know, they've been listening to us for years. Nobody's held accountable. I'm not expecting that to change. And, Sam, I get your pessimism. I'm right there with you, buddy. And here's what the thing to know about the FBI is. The FBI is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. So, Dan and Cash and the FBI right now, under their leadership, they're doing their jobs. They're doing their jobs. Their job is to investigate. And if it's somebody who works for them to fire, get rid of, hold accountable. They've done that. They've fired. They have fired hundreds of people at that agency. Hundreds of people at that agency. That's their job. Whose job is it to prosecute? Well, that's the broader United States Department of Justice. That's literally the prosecutors at the doj. That falls to Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi, who by the way, has been testifying this morning to the United States Senate. No doubt we'll have clips of that on the big national radio show coming up later today. But on the FBI side of things, they're doing some investigations into what the hell happened in that agency. And they've been looking in particular at an operation called Arctic Frost. Arctic Frost. And what they discovered was that the phone calls of Republican Senators Lindsey Graham, Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Hawley, Cynthia Loomis, Bill Haggerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, and then Congressman Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania, one congressman in there as well, all being spied upon by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This is brand new information. And somebody earlier in the chat said that this is like a combination of, this is bigger than Watergate and Whitewater. You could take any number of American political scandals and combine them all. And this is bigger than all of those. Remember, the CIA at one point was caught spying on the United States Senate on a specific committee in the Senate. And, and they, you know, Brennan lied about this. John Brennan, who was the CIA director at the time, he lied about it to try and cover it up. It eventually came out he was lying. Democrats were on the receiving end of that surveillance as well at the time because it involved authorities for the CIA funding for the CIA. So the CIA was spying on the Senate in its own self interest, its own deep state preservation of power. But here what you have is a number of Republicans who are being spied on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation under Jack Smith. And the point of this is what, what do you think the point of spying on these Republicans is? Well, it's to gather information about them to hurt them. It's as simple as that. They wanted to bring about ways to go after these guys, including through prosecutions. And so listen, if you will, here's Senator Ron Johnson yesterday referring to this appropriately as completely outrageous and laying out the timeline of when these guys were spied on. The timeline matters a great deal because it kind of gives the game away. Here's Ron Johnson, cut six yesterday. This is outrageous what has happened. I just want to Give you a timeline. This, I think you've already got the. The FBI sheet that shows the number of members of Congress that were targeted. Representative Kelly, Senators Graham, Haggerty, Hawley, Sullivan, Tuberville, myself, Senator Lummis and Blackburn. This memo was dated September of 2023. To put it all into context, the Mar A Lago raid occurred in August of 2022. Jack Smith announced the indictments against President Trump in August of 2023. So this is almost two months later, they're casting this net, this fishing expedition against members of the Senate in the House. I've been investigating this with Senator Grassley. This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American. It definitely should. And that timeline, you know, there's going to be a lot that's said about this. You're going to see it all over conservative media especially, and you should people who are completely outraged that these senators are being spied on. But I just want to emphasize that timeline he gave to you. It's 2022, when Jack Smith and his team with the FBI are rifling through Melania's underwear drawer at Mar a Lago in 2023. That's when the indictment drops in August against President Trump to try and of course, just before the election to stagger his ability to become president again. But then It's September of 2023 that they seek to spy on these senators after the Trump indictments already out. So after whatever investigating Jack Smith felt like doing into Donald Trump as a predicate to indicting him, then he starts spying on United States senators. Do the math on that to establish that these were legitimate law enforcement actions. Go ahead, provide. Go ahead, lefties. Go ahead, Jack, whoever the hell you are, provide a justification for why you're spying on members of the United States Senate. What is that? It certainly sounds to me like it was the beginnings of an operation to try and make their lives a living hell. If the left continued to control the levers at the United States Department of Justice. That's what it sounds like to me. So I want to engage you in a thought experiment. Imagine. I know this is horrifying, but imagine if Kamala Harris had become President of the United States. What would our Justice Department look like right now? Who would be being prosecuted right now? Which of these United States Senators would be in a world of hurt right now because of the ongoing surveillance and thin pretext, politicized tyrannical prosecutions that the left would be conducting right now? We already saw what this looked like in practice with Donald Trump. They spied on his campaign, they spied on him. They created hoax information as a predicate to accuse him of all sorts of awful things, colluding with America's enemies to steal an election. We've seen what they're capable of. Just imagine what kind of mission you just stopped from happening. What I mean by that is every one of these Republican senators have you to thank for stopping further injustices from being carried out against them. You voted for Donald Trump. You voted to give Republicans control of the Senate. You voted to give Republicans control of the House. Were it not for that fact pattern right now, we would not know about the extent of the surveillance on these United States Senators. And they'd be in a world of hurt. They'd be feeling it like the Trump family did for years. So to be clear, a massive scandal. And do you not read anything into this? Dan Bongino himself personally gets this information from the FBI and he hand walks it over to the United States Senate yesterday. And, and then he briefs every one of these senators on the way that the government was abusing them. This is a massive, massive story. And I can't wait for the day when Dan is back in front of a microphone when he can talk about it too. And my plan is to do an interview with him on the subject as well. I think he'll have a lot to say. Great to have you with us as always. In a moment, I'll be talking to the great Haley Caranilla live in studio, which is such a treat. Really appreciate her being here. Before I get there, though, I gotta thank our great sponsors. Doctors call it weight cycling. Not a good thing. It sounds like a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's a bad thing. Don't interpret this as a good thing. Weight cycling. Half of Americans do this. If you do it enough, you're at risk of diabetes, liver damage, heart attack, stroke. 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Now Silverlock is not merely the Vince show. It's not merely the I think temporarily paused Dan Bongino show. At some point we'll see that resume and then it's also the host of Nightly scroll with Hayley Caranea who is on every single evening live at 6pm you can see her on Rumble. If you're watching me right now, you can See her right here with me. And you can listen to her great podcast all the time. Hailey, it is so great to see you.

[B]

It is so great to see you. We never get to do this, so it's a lot of fun and I'm happy to be in dc.

[A]

Did you have any part of your career in dc Were you in New York? Is that.

[B]

I was in New York, so I used to travel to D.C. quite a bit when I was working at Fox, because then, you know, something big would happen. The whole Kavanaugh thing was happening. We were here all the time. So I used to come to D.C. frequently, but I've never lived here, and I haven't been back in probably four or five years. So it's been a while. I'm seeing less homeless people.

[A]

I was about to ask. I was gonna say, what is it like? I mean. Cause that is the timeframe. I mean, four or five years ago, there's homeless encampments. Union Station is miserable. There's like, zombie people who are overding on Fentanyl now. It's like, it is legitimately way cleaner. The White House. I mean, obviously the president is prone to a slight amount of overstatement. And he's like, there's zero crime anywhere, right?

[B]

No, it's a utopia.

[A]

Yeah. You can walk around with, like, money just hanging out of your pockets and nobody will take it. It's not quite that, but it's basically. It's a million times better than it was.

[B]

And I will say I did not go to the Union Station area. So that's really where a lot of the homelessness was. And that's like where the Fox building was over there. So that's where I spent most of my time in D.C. a few years ago, but. So I wasn't back there, but I was honestly impressed with how clean it is. Yes. And I was walking around yesterday trying to do some man on the street interviews. Not a lot of people were speaking English where. By all the monuments and stuff.

[A]

So it was by the monuments.

[B]

Yeah. So it was hard to get some interviews with people who understood, but I.

[A]

Was all non English speakers. By the monuments.

[B]

Yeah. Which I thought was interesting.

[A]

There's a trick to having. Having done journalism in D.C. for a while and dealt with a lot of reporters from man on the Street. You went to the right place. You really should be in the kind of the tourist areas, because when you get outside of them and you get onto, like, K Street or near the.

[B]

Capital, well, then it's just people who work here and live yeah.

[A]

And they all, they're all either, they're, they're very hyper resistant to even pretending like they want to tell the truth to a microphone. So they're just like, no, I have no interest in that whatsoever. They're all guarded cuz they see the media all the time. Maybe they know how bad the media are.

[B]

And I feel like when I. Because my whole career has been in the media, if someone ever came up to me with a microphone, I work in the media. You don't want to talk to me. Yeah, right. You want someone who's totally unbiased. You want someone who's just walking by on the street. I'm walking like into my job at Fox News or at Newsmax or wherever I was working. I don't know, I'm like, you don't want to talk to me?

[A]

But nowadays I think I would jump all over a chance to be on a man on the street if somebody stuck a microphone in front of me and had no idea that this was the business. I was a troll. I'd be like, dude, I'm all in.

[B]

I'm giving them exactly what they want.

[A]

I have no idea who you are or what you're doing, but I am in. I have. I agree 100% to doing this. Yeah. So. So you, I've talked to you a couple times about this, but I do want to. Let me just ask you this because I think the audience is interested too. I don't think everybody knows your origin story. So I do want to ask you a little bit about that. You mentioned you worked at Fox, you worked with and for Sean Hannity, right?

[B]

Yes. So my first job. Well, my first job ever, you know, I interned a lot, so I interned maybe four or five times. My first internship was in local news and I thought, well, this is boring.

[A]

Where?

[B]

On Long Island.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So that's where I'm from. And I just thought, I love news, I'm in the right industry, but I need to think a little bigger. I'm more interested in politics. I'm interested in stories that impact more than one or two people.

[A]

Was your ambition to be on camera?

[B]

No.

[A]

So you went in just because you, you were kind of, you like the news gathering experience or what?

[B]

I liked storytelling and I knew that I didn't want to be bored. And the news industry is not boring. It is a lot of things, but it is not boring.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I didn't want to sit at a desk nine to five. I'm bad at math, so I knew I wasn't Going to, you know, be a CEO of something. I knew that. So I wanted to do something entertaining and fun. And news was. Well, I studied film and television.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my dad said, well, you better get a job that pays you if you're going to study film and television, you better get a job. After all, after all college and everything, you better make it worth it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So I figured, okay. At first I kind of wanted to go into the film side of things and do set design because I'm very creative. But I figured, okay, well, let me make my dad happy and go work at a news station because I can get health benefits. I can get like a legitimate job that does. I know where my next paycheck's coming from. So the news side of it was a little more stable than the film side. So I kind of went down that route.

[A]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[B]

I took a studio television production class and just fell in love with it. Once I was in the control room, I thought, this is what I want to do. I want to be pushing buttons. I want to be in that news gathering sense that you were talking about.

[A]

One thing I discovered about media that fit really well for me when I got into news was the reality that the news cycle changes so rapidly, that your every day is not always a blank slate. Like, you do have to remember a lot of things that have happened in the past in order to contextualize what's happening in the present. That said, you don't have huge projects that extend for months. So when you're coming up in education, when you go to college or something, you've got this long project, you gotta write a 50 page paper or whatever it is. It's like weeks and weeks of effort. You're driving you crazy. You're writing it for an audience of one. You're just speaking to a professor. Media is a totally different experience. If you hate long projects, you're gonna love the news media, right?

[B]

Every day is different.

[A]

Every day is a blank slate. Boom. You have to focus like crazy on your work for the next 24 hours. And then as soon as my shows are done. As soon as your show is done. What are you doing? Are you thinking a lot about the show you just did? No.

[B]

Yep. Which is nice. It's always very forward thinking for the most part. But yeah. So after I interned a few times, I interned at Fox News and I interned there four times. So they kind of had to hire me at some. I was like the cockroach that wouldn't go away. They couldn't tell me So I knew that I wanted to work there, and I ended. One of my internships was in advertising and on air promotion. And. And I had a wonderful boss who taught me how to write, which is. I can't tell you how important that skill is in news and being able to write concisely and get people's attention, that is so helpful. And he was amazing. And he took all the interns under his wing, everyone in his department. I mean, truly, I was very, very lucky to have a great boss.

[A]

Well, knowing that helps you organize your thinking, too.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So, so, so even in your verbal presentation, you start to become aware of, like, oh, that is a really important detail that I need to emphasize.

[B]

Right. So he was great. And I was good at the writing and I was writing promos. So if I was promoting, I was working at Fox at the time, so I was promoting all the shows and what their interviews were going to be like. Tune in tonight to, you know, at that point it was Tucker Carlson Tonight or Bill O'Reilly, Megan Kelly, like all these names that are no longer in the establishment media, their new media. Right. But I was promoting whoever they were having on the show.

[A]

Yes. And that's not a small task. So, like, your job is not every guest is a name.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So you have to make a decision. Is the topic more important than the guest? Is the guest more important than the topic? How am I convincing this audience to even tune in and watch?

[B]

Exactly. So that is exactly right. And so I did that and I loved it. I did it for two and a half years. And then I kind of got into this line of thinking where I'm going to use the word FOMO because fear of missing out.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm working at this massive news company and I'm not working on a show. I thought, I'm missing out. I'm missing out of a huge part of the industry. I'm promoting what these people are doing, but I want to be part of it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I want to be the movers and shakers. I want to be on the editorial staff. I want to be deciding what stories get covered and what doesn't. I don't want to be the one promoting it. So I ended up working on this massive marketing campaign with all of the talent at Fox, and I met all of them and got a chance to meet all of them. And most of them are wonderful people and they take your time and they're just very wonderful.

[A]

I like how you said most.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not going to get into, you know, exact details, but yeah. Not everyone is awesome.

[A]

There is so much, and I don't want to say scandal, but that just saying most is enough to perk. To pique my curiosity.

[B]

I'm like.

[A]

I'm like, I love the little gap that doesn't include much.

[B]

Most people are great.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Some are not. I'll leave it at that because I don't want to get into too much trouble on the show.

[A]

You're independent now. You're free.

[B]

I know, I know, but I just don't want to say anything to.

[A]

No, you're about anyone. You're good.

[B]

But, you know, Sean Hannity, for example, is one of the most wonderful people I've ever met in the industry. And he's one of the best bosses I'll ever have in my life. And I was so grateful to work on his show. Like, he is one of the greats. So I was able to talk with him at this marketing campaign, and he said, well, if you ever want to work on the TV side of things, my executive producer was over there, and I literally just pivoted my feet and went over to go talk to her. I said, oh, I will do that. Went over to his executive producer, and I probably bothered her every Monday and Friday, I think I emailed her. If there's an opening on the show, let me know. If there's an opening on the show, let me know. Every Monday and Friday, I would just check in, you know, over the weekend. Hey, how was your weekend? Let me know if there's an opening on the show. Finally, after weeks of doing that, a job opening opened up on the show as a booker. So I booked his guests for maybe two and a half years, ended up writing for him, field producing for him. Just kind of growing and growing and growing, and I absolutely loved every second of it. Um, then I moved over to Newsmax.

[A]

By the way, to write more. You condensed all of that into, like, half a sentence, but just so people understand what you're describing. This is not easy work that you just described it very quickly. It's hard. It's relentless work, especially booking, because not everybody is responsive. It is not easy. You've got to be, like, beating people's doors down. It doesn't matter. I mean, it helps that you work at, like, a place like Fox with Sean. It increases your response rate, but it doesn't diminish the amount of effort that you have to put in to do these jobs. So these are. Yeah, so you put in real work.

[B]

It got to a point, Vince, I don't know if this has ever happened to you in this industry, but I started getting work nightmares where I would dream about. I was working so much that I was working in my sleep also. So we kind of had this rule and this kind of went for everyone in the building. But, and I was talking about this with Andy and Justin last night. But when you work at the number one cable news network and this was at the time, and we really, during the first Trump administration, we had no competition. Rachel Maddow was our only competition and she was maybe the fifth watched show and then CNN was like the 20th. Like we didn't even have to worry about CNN at the time.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So there was a lot of internal competition. It was a lot of Fox bookers fighting with FOX bookers to get the best guests. So we were working 24 7.

[A]

And by the way, the hosts do that too.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So the hosts of those shows, like, I know just having talked to them about this, they'll look at the ratings and then they'll be like, Tucker will be like, we beat Hannity last night.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And Hannity. And Hannity will get the ratings. I, I don't know Hannity as well as you do. I, I met him once, but I guarantee you he looked at the ratings, he's like, thank God we beat Tucker last night.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, it's like that's just the way they do it. Like, they don't have anybody at the time, especially they didn't have anybody else to compete against. So they just competed against each other.

[B]

And it was, yes, there was a little bit of internal competition. Like, we want to beat him, we want to beat him, we want to beat him. But it's good.

[A]

I think it's healthy.

[B]

We were very happy to just have Fox be the winner, you know, so if, you know, if Tucker won that night or Hannity won that night or whatever, it was like, great. Fox won, but we got to beat him the next night. So that's fun.

[A]

So how do you meet Dan Bongino? How does that happen?

[B]

So I booked him on Hannity a bunch of times and it started off that we would book him to fight with Geraldo Rivera two nights a week. And I was explaining this to Andy last night, too. Yes.

[A]

You were responsible for that.

[B]

Yes. So we got this minute by minute report and they would bring us in for meetings and minute by minute of the show, we would see the ratings and it was like this up and down. You could see what topics did well, what guests did well together. And they would just give us an idea of what guests did well together on a panel, what topics did well, and when Geraldo and Dan fought about immigration and other hot button issues.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The ratings would just spike like crazy. So we would sit in these meetings, and they would say, haley, you got to book these people. We got to do this twice a week. We can't just do it once a week. We have to do it twice a week. Then everyone loves Dan so much that it was like, let's get Dan on standby Monday through Friday. He's going to be a fixer on this show. So I ended up talking to Dan almost every day, if not every day.

[A]

So when you were so in those. Before we get to, like, you know, you joining Silverlock and everything. But is when you're talking to Geraldo, is there ever a point where Geraldo's like, I don't want to do this anymore?

[B]

No.

[A]

Like, this is driving me crazy.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Geraldo was all in.

[B]

They were all in. They were very respectful. It was not that they were playing a part for the show, but it was like, we're friends. We're gonna fight, and we're gonna debate right now. But there's a level of respect.

[A]

Wait, what is it like dealing with Geraldo? I remember I saw him at one of the Republican conventions, and I had listened to an interview with Geraldo Rivera. I had heard him on the. We're showing on screen Dan Bungie.

[B]

These are the iconic debates.

[A]

Yeah. That Haley arranged. So I talked to Geraldo in a green room at a convention. A green room is like a holding area for you to sit before you go on television on Fox or whatever network you're at. And there's Geraldo. And I had listened to an interview with him from years ago. Howard Stern had interviewed him. And during the Howard Stern interview, he talked all about how he had, like, he had snuck into this mental hospital, and he had exposed all these people being abused, and it was very gonzo. Someone had given a key, so he climbed the wall and got in. It was all very fascinating. And it was the first time when I heard that interview, it was the first time I didn't think of him as, like, a cartoon character. I thought, like, well, that was kind of crazy, kind of wild. There was something cool about that. And so I see him, and I don't know Geraldo, but I figured, well, I'll just tell him that I thought his interview was neat. So I was like, hey, I heard your Howard Stern interview. I thought it was great. And the first thing he says to me is, why does everyone talk about that Howard Stern interview? I did that years ago. He starts complaining that I brought it up. Like, he was just, like, instantly bitching about, like. And I was like, I don't even. Why did I.

[B]

It's an iconic moment. Sorry.

[A]

I'm like, why did I even talk to you? And, like. And then he's just. He just seems grumpy all the time. Is he grumpy all the time?

[B]

He was always very sweet to me and always very kind and respectful. So I can't add to that. But, yeah, some. Some guests would be okay with getting canceled. Some guests would be very angry. So it was a lot of touch and go, relationship mending, being a booker as well. You know, a lot of hurt egos, bruised egos, people thinking that they're way cooler than they are, way more important than they are.

[A]

Okay, so then. So then at some point you make the decision. Do you go right from Fox to this? No. So what was the sequence of events?

[B]

Kind of. So I went over to Newsmax, because when you're working on one of the top shows in the world, they, you know, they don't want you to be trying things out. I mean, it's the best of the best working on the show. And I really wanted to learn how to line produce, and I wanted to write monologues. I wanted to be. I wanted to shape the top of the show, and I wanted to kind of make mistakes. And you can't make mistakes on the top show in the world.

[A]

So everything you're saying is like, so still you had no interest in doing the camera work. Work?

[B]

Not at this point.

[A]

You were all in on just like, I'm gonna be the best damn producer I can be.

[B]

Yes. And once. So I went over to Newsmax because I figured, okay, there are less viewers. It's an up and coming network. Let me not make my mistakes on air. I don't mean it like that, but I don't want to make my mistakes on the number one show on cable news. But I do want to learn, and I want to get into the control room. I want to push the buttons. I want to see what I can do and learn and grow. So I kind of wanted to go through those growing pains and on another show, and I wanted to write a monologue. Sean already has the best monologue writer in the world. He's not going anywhere, you know, so I needed to grow somewhere else. Yeah. So I went over to Newsmax and I wrote for Sean Spicer which was awesome. He's also incredible.

[A]

He's a good guy.

[B]

He's so nice. And I'm going tonight to an event to honor him. He's being promoted to captain in the. In the Navy. So I'm very.

[A]

I'll see you there. We're going.

[B]

So I'm very excited.

[A]

That's cool.

[B]

For that, for him. But, yeah, so I did that. And I learned very quickly that line producing was not my strong suit. So I'm glad that I didn't make my mistakes on the number one show, because you have to do a lot of math. Line producing and doing live television and making sure that all the sound bites fit into 60 minutes. And with the commercial breaks and hard breaks and all this stuff, it's complicated. I was not built for that. So I figured, okay, well, I'm glad I figured that out now. And it was there when I started kind of blowing up on Tik Tok. I wasn't really supposed to post my own political content at Fox. There are some rules against.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

When I went over to Newsmax, it was. The rules were a little more lax. So I started posting my own political. You know, my opinions and things online started blowing up. And I went to them. I actually, when I went, when I was still working at Fox, I told them, we need someone who's younger, talking about Tick Tock and all these things that are blowing up. And they were a little resistant to it. I pitched a podcast. I pitched shows segments. I said, you need a younger person to be like a tech analyst because.

[A]

Eventually your audience is going to die.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it might be good if you build a young.

[B]

You need someone, you know. And anyway, I don't want to be disparaging towards anyone, but I figured we need someone who's actually in this movement and on. On social media to discuss it, not just, you know, anyway. So I mentioned that to them and they kind of pushed me away. Not because it wouldn't have been good, but because they're not really ready to take risks like that. So I went over to Newsmax. I also pitched shows like Nightly scroll, which I'm doing right now, where I'm scrolling on Tick Tock, I'm talking about commentary. And again, they were also not really prepared to take on a podcast like that. It was a little more traditional. And I, because I knew Dan Bongino so well and he was such a great mentor to me, I asked him, I said, if I want to do a show like this, like, how do I break in? How do I move from producer to podcast. And that's when that kind of switched for me, where I thought, well, no one's doing this, so I guess I'll do it. And I asked him what I should do, and he said, don't ask for permission, ask for forgiveness. And I didn't listen to him, and maybe I should have. But he is right in that you kind of just have to do it so that people then take you seriously. You have to have credibility. You can't just say, hey, please give me a chance. They're going to say, okay, well, show me what you can do. And because I was under all these restrictions working at these networks, I couldn't show anyone.

[A]

It's one of the. It's one of the. The cruel but definitely real things about media. I remember, like, for instance at Fox, like, you will know this, having done booking, one of the rules in television is you're not allowed to do TV unless you've done television before, right?

[B]

So it's very hard to break it.

[A]

So wait a second, hold on. This rule doesn't make any sense. How does one do television if they've never done television before? If the requirement is that you have to do tv, the truth is that producers booking producers like yourself need to see that person have done television literally anywhere else so that they don't fall flat on their face when they appear on screen.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And so you need proof of concept. The same is true in podcasting. The same is true. The predicate to me, to Dan asking me to do this was I was. First of all, I had a big national, big radio show in dc, but then I would fill in for him on his national show, and he said it was just straight up the marks, man. You came on, you did the show. The audience was totally locked in. They liked what you were producing, so you were obvious you were the guy. I was like, hey, come in and do this. But you need. That's one of the things. It's like, so when you ask that question, how do I start? You start by starting.

[B]

You just do it.

[A]

You just do it. You do it, you prove you can, and then more doors open along the way.

[B]

So this is what happened. I was living in New York City. All of my friends started getting married and moving out into the suburbs, and I didn't want a random roommate. I was 28 years old. I said, I'm not living with a random person from Craigslist. This is not going to be good. I wanted to move to a red state first and foremost, but somewhere that I could afford to live by myself. So I looked at jobs in Nashville and I ended up getting a job with Fox News Digital and Outkick, which is a sports podcast network. But it's where sports meets politics meets pop culture. And the politics and pop culture is more my lane.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But I did start, ended up getting more interested in the sports and where all of these intersect. So I was overseeing six podcasts there. Then to your point about proof of concept, I said, I'm just going to do this damn podcast. Like, I just need to do this right. So I told my boss at the time, I'm going to do a YouTube show. They were asking, we need weekend content. I said, I'll do it. I'm going to do a weekend show. It's going to be weekly. It was basically, if you watch my show Nightly scroll, here it is. This is my, my podcast at Outkick. It was called Screen Time. So if you watch Nightly scroll, you'll know that my.

[A]

Did you really need those glasses or.

[B]

Those, Those are blue light glasses.

[A]

Oh, are they?

[B]

Yes, they're blue light glasses. So do you believe in that?

[A]

Does that work?

[B]

I don't know. It was just kind of like a.

[A]

Justin's shaking his head. No, Justin's here in studio too.

[B]

People say that red light is very good for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I know that you, you do the bond charge and things like that. I, I, the red light saunas, red light everything. And this is emitting blue light at your face all day long, which is apparently very bad for you. So I don't know, I don't know if the blue light glasses work, but I did try it for a little bit because my screen time's very high. But yeah, so I did a segment called or this show called Screen Time. And that's basically what scrolling time is on Nightly scroll, where the last 15 minutes of, of my show, I'm scrolling through videos and whatnot. Dan Bongino saw clips of Screen Time and he said, if you're not under contract, you're coming with me. So that's how it all happened.

[A]

That's fantastic.

[B]

So, yeah, proof of concept.

[A]

I love it. I love it. Okay. And then finally in your show so people understand, you can get a lot more Hailey every day. You can sign up for her great program, the Nightly scroll. And you can also actually watch it on Rumble Rumble.com Hailey at 6pm and Eastern Time. And here's the question I have for you. When did you make the decision to allow Andy to talk so much on Your program.

[B]

I don't even think it was really a decision. I think a lot of what we do is just roll with the punches, and it all happens very naturally. And honestly, I don't want to listen to myself speak for a full hour. And I welcome Andy piping up and tuning in, you know, saying whatever, you know, he has to say, because then I get to drink my water.

[A]

That man.

[B]

And it gives me a break.

[A]

That man can talk. I'll tell you what.

[B]

I have a lot of fun.

[A]

I'm not even. He's not. We're not even doing a show. And he'll be calling me because Andy books for our program. That's how we ended up with Haley today. Andy booked her, but he'll call me and be like, hey, here's who I'm thinking about booking. And then I really don't get a chance to talk on those calls. It's just, Andy, Andy, just straight through for 45 minutes. And then I'm like, hey, can I go now? Is that okay? We good?

[B]

Holds you hostage, but it's great. I was joking with Andy yesterday because someone had DMed me saying, you're so mean to Andy on the show. And I said to Andy, we were joking. I said, if am I mean to you, if I'm mean to you, please let me know. I didn't think I was.

[A]

It's funny how people read into things, but no chance. What's that? Justin? Oh, he's a Bud Light drinker. Yeah, he.

[B]

He drank Bud Light on the show last night.

[A]

Well, like I said on your program, I got in your chat last night, and I said, yes, I saw at Silverlock, we accept Andy. These lifestyle choices. It is great to see you again.

[B]

It was so great. Thanks so much.

[A]

Thank you for being here in D.C. we're going to apparently go party with Sean Spicer tonight. Sean Spicer, for people who know he's a Navy reservist, he's being promoted to Navy captain, which is the equivalent of a colonel in the Marines or the army. Very cool. Very, very cool. We'll get to do that. So we'll hang out some more. I'll have more of a conversation with Haley on her great program. And it has been so great to have the best audience anywhere joining us today. We got another big show for you tomorrow. And then, of course, the big national radio show, the Vince show, coming up 12 to 3 Eastern Time today. You can find your local [e-mail] or join me on Rumble Rumble.com. vince, I'll be back tomorrow.