HTDE: Broadway Musicals And Best In Show

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me! How To Do Everything – Broadway Musicals and Best In Show"

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Peter Sagal
Producers: Ian and Mike
Featured Guests: Ann-Margret (via impressionist/voice), Jordan Litzy, Crystal Murray

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of "How To Do Everything" (a segment from "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me!") dives into the enchanting worlds of Broadway musicals, marathon performances, and competitive dog grooming. The team uncovers a quirky mystery in a classic musical, interviews a Broadway star who ran a marathon and performed on the same day, and enlists a professional dog handler to answer a surprisingly tricky grooming question.

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Key Topics & Discussions

1. A Musical Misheard: The "Bye Bye Birdie" Mystery

• [00:42 – 03:39]

  • Ian recounts playing "Bye Bye Birdie" for his daughter, noticing she kept singing "Bye bye bur he."

  • They listen back and discover Ann-Margret does seem to sing "bur he" instead of "Birdie" throughout the song.

  • In a delightfully surreal move, the team "calls" Ann-Margret (voice impression by Crystal Murray).

    Ann-Margret: "It's just my quirk. That's just the way I hear it." ([03:00])

  • No one had ever questioned Ann-Margret about this before, making this both a mystery and its solution in one segment.

  • Memorable moment:

    Mike: "We’ve uncovered and solved all in one conversation." ([03:15])

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2. Marathon Man on Broadway: Interview with Jordan Litzy

• [03:52 – 09:03]

  • Jordan Litzy, currently performing as Fiyero in Wicked, shares his experience of finishing the New York City Marathon and heading straight to do two Broadway performances.

    Jordan: "I ran the New York City Marathon and then I proceeded to perform Fiyero in Wicked on Broadway. Twice." ([04:08])

  • Physical Challenges:

    • Explains the difficulty of dancing, climbing statues, and jumping onstage immediately after a marathon.

    • Details two tough moments: kneeling for a long song, and a high-impact rope swing.

      Jordan: "Kneeling and singing for five, six minutes... then having to try and stand up after you’ve been kneeling for so long is always a gut check." ([05:24])

      Jordan: "I think even the guards were watching me come in and hoping and praying that I was going to be just fine. And fortunately, it worked out just fine." ([06:41])

  • Second Performance:

    • Discusses the draining effect of Sunday matinees post-marathon, but finds "one of the best shows I've had in weeks." ([08:41])
    • Jokes he might need to run a marathon before every double performance.

  • Humorous exchange:

    Mike: "So if you visualize you now when you've shaved your chest, shoulders, abs, does it look like you're wearing a flesh-colored sweater?" ([14:00])

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3. How To Shave Your Chest (Inspired by Broadway Bodies)

• [12:35 – 18:39]

  • Listener Jacob wants to know how far he should extend chest shaving to show off his physique without blending into arm or shoulder hair.

  • Crystal Murray, professional dog handler and poodle groomer, gives expert advice using show dog grooming analogies.

    • Reveals that poodle hair styling is a carefully considered mix of blade lengths and contouring for best effect.

      Crystal: "If you really want to see... the sculpting, chiseling, contours... you'd want a really short blade... With the poodles, we can clipper them at different lengths so you get that different effect." ([17:38])

    • She suggests "shadowing" body hair to enhance muscle definition, much like competitive grooming.

      Crystal: "You can almost create some shadowing or whatever." ([18:34])

  • Explains poodle grooming terms: bracelets, hip rosettes, top knots, pack, and tail pom-poms.

    Crystal: "Those little balls are called their bracelets. The ones that they have over their hips are called their hip rosettes. The body we usually call a pack, and then they literally have a top knot." ([16:26])

• Lighthearted brainstorming:

  • Should people just get themselves groomed at pet spas?

  • Stage grooming is as tense as backstage at Westminster.

    Crystal: "It's nerve wracking because if you screw up, it's like you have no one to blame but yourself." ([19:14])

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4. Backstage at the Westminster Dog Show

• [15:16 – 19:44]
  • Crystal reveals the competitive and high-stress atmosphere at major dog shows, like Westminster.
  • Groomers gossip about each other's work backstage—"Did you see that topknot!" ([19:34])

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5. Reflections & Closing Banter

• [19:56 – 21:08]

  • The hosts marvel at how much accidental Broadway content filled the episode—from Ann-Margret to Wicked to hairy bodies (and the musical Hair).

  • Ian muses on marathon recovery:

    Ian: "Maybe the best way to recover from a marathon is to dance for three hours, take a short break, and then dance for another three hours." ([20:20])

  • The episode closes with good humor and self-aware silliness:

    Mike: "Dance like people have paid hundreds of dollars to come see you dance." ([20:32]) Ian: "What if we listen back to all the great Broadway songs and it turns out every D is an H?" ([20:54])

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Notable Quotes

• Ann-Margret (impression):
  • “It’s just my quirk. That’s just the way I hear it.” ([03:00])
• Jordan Litzy:
  • “I ran the New York City Marathon and then I proceeded to perform Fiyero in Wicked on Broadway. Twice.” ([04:08])
  • “Kneeling and singing for five, six minutes... then having to try and stand up after you’ve been kneeling for so long is always a gut check.” ([05:24])
• Crystal Murray:
  • "If you really want to see... the sculpting, chiseling, contours... you'd want a really short blade... With the poodles, we can clipper them at different lengths so you get that different effect." ([17:38])
  • "Those little balls are called their bracelets." ([16:26])
  • "It's nerve wracking because if you screw up, it's like you have no one to blame but yourself." ([19:14])

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Episode Takeaways

• Sometimes, the quirkiest mysteries lie in plain sight—like a subtle lyric change in a classic song.
• Broadway performers endure incredible demands, both physically and mentally, with marathon runners taking it to a new level.
• Body grooming advice can take surprising inspiration from championship poodle grooming.
• The worlds of show dogs and Broadway have one thing in common: everyone backstage is anxious and everyone is judging.
• The best recovery from a marathon? For some, it's jumping right on stage under Broadway’s bright lights.

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For questions, mysteries, or conundrums you want solved, email the How To Do Everything team at howtopr.org.

Transcript

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[Peter Sagal]

Hey, guys, it's Peter. Once again in your Wait Wait feed. I am so pleased to present to you another episode of how to Do Everything by Wait Wait. Producers Ian and Mike. Now remember, you can only get these episodes of how to Do Everything in our feed for a short while. So if you love the kind of mysteries that Mike and Ian are revealing, make sure you subscribe to how to Do Everything at their own feed. Thanks.

[Ian]

So I was playing the song Bye Bye Birdie for my kid.

[Mike]

You know the song from the musical Bye Bye Birdie?

[Ian]

Yeah. I was playing the original cast recording with Ann Margret.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Bye bye bir he.

[Ian]

So my daughter, she got really into it. She wanted to hear it again and again. And then I heard her singing it to herself.

[Mike]

Uhhuh.

[Ian]

And she was singing Bye bye bur he.

[Mike]

Okay, okay.

[Ian]

And I was like, what? Why are you. Why, It's Bye bye Birdie. Why are you singing Bye bye bur He. And she's. She was like, that's what the song says. And so we listen back. Listen to this.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Bye bye bye.

[Peter Sagal]

Right?

[Ian]

Sure enough, she sings through the whole song, right? The song called Bye Bye Birdie. She sings Bye bye bur he for the whole song.

[Mike]

How has that gone unnoticed before? Is it. Is it just the power of the title, like, overwhelms the sub? You're like, oh, I guess. Yeah, I hear it. That's right. Birdie.

[Ian]

I don't like. I don't get it. I feel like maybe it's like a thing where it's, like, easier to sing that way. So really, there's no choice but to call Ann Margaret, who sang the song 60 years ago.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Hello?

[Mike]

Hello, Ann Margaret?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yes, that's me.

[Mike]

How are you?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

I feel great. What are you guys up to? Your neck?

[Ian]

That's right. That's about right. Well, Ann Margaret, we wanted to ask you. My daughter discovered that in Bye Bye Birdie, you sing Bye bye bur he instead of birdie. And I was just wondering, where does that come from?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

From me. That's interesting that she would get it.

[Ian]

Yeah. So why that choice? It's interesting. Does it make it easier to sing or what?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

It's just my quirk. That's just the way I hear it.

[Mike]

Oh, funny.

[Ian]

Did anyone else ever ask you about it?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

No, never.

[Jordan Litzy]

After all these years What a mystery.

[Mike]

We'Ve uncovered and solved all in one conversation.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

I know. Birdie. Actually, I say the D, but I say it with heat. Birdie. Was he behind it?

[Mike]

You still got it. You still got it. We can hear it right there. Good.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

I'm so glad.

[Ian]

This is how to do everything. I'm Ian.

[Mike]

And I'm Mike. On today's show, how to Shave youe Chest.

[Ian]

But first, almost 60,000 people completed the New York City Marathon last weekend. And on the line with us now is one of those runners, Jordan Litzy.

[Mike]

So, Jordan, why don't you tell us what you did after the race?

[Jordan Litzy]

Well, I ran the New York City Marathon and then I proceeded to perform Fiero and Wicked on Broadway. Twice.

[Mike]

Twice?

[Jordan Litzy]

Yes. I finished the race about 12:50 and then our half hour call for the show was 1:30. So I did a little press at the finish line and then walked straight to the theater, got into my shower, tried to loosen up as best I could, and then walked on Wicked.

[Ian]

Wow, that is amazing. I.

[Jordan Litzy]

It was wild.

[Ian]

I've run a marathon and the thing I wanted to do after running a marathon is absolutely nothing. Like, I couldn't imagine moving, let alone moving in front of people. And you were. I guess you were dancing, right?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yeah.

[Jordan Litzy]

I mean, yes, Hero. His title song is Dancing Through Life. So, you know, you're dancing around, you're leading the students and teaching them dance moves, climbing on statues, jump, jumping off the statue.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Look foolish.

[Mike]

Mindless and careless to your.

[Ian]

What was the point in the either performance where you were most aware of the marathon in your body?

[Jordan Litzy]

There are two pretty big moments for me where I become hyper aware of any residual effects from running or just how my body's feeling that day, not from running. One is kneeling and singing as long as you're mine for five, six minutes. Just for some reason, having the compression on your knees and your ankles and your quads for that long and then having to try and stand up after you've been kneeling for so long is always a gut check. That moment I was like, okay, am I going to be able to be able to stand up? And fortunately it was totally fine. I didn't even think about it. And then the other one was swinging in on the rope because that was the only super high impact moment of the show. A lot of, you know, there's a lot of dance steps, there's a lot of running up and down stairs, there's a lot of jumping and, and things like that. But that one was the one that I was thinking if I'M going to get injured and I'm going to snap an Achilles tendon right now. It's going to be this moment. So, you know, I just tried to swing in and land as gently as I could and absorb the landing. And I think even the guards were watching me come in and hoping and praying that I was going to be just fine. And fortunately, it worked out just fine.

[Mike]

Is it possible, Jordan, that if you'd been kneeling for five minutes or whatever and you couldn't get up, that you could have figured out how to make it make sense that your character just sits down on the ground from that point on?

[Jordan Litzy]

There's no way. There's absolutely no way. Because, I mean, the rest of the scene is me, like, trying to get Elphaba to safety. You know, I'm telling her, like, you gotta go to my castle in Keamico. You'll be safe there. And then at the end of the scene, this cyclone comes and whips me up and it goes into a blackout. So, I mean, there's. I can't even imagine how embarrassing that would be. I don't know what I would do.

[Mike]

There's no way, is it. I can imagine that. It's hard to get excited for a Sunday where you're doing two shows, like, for a Sunday matinee. What's it like then for that second show after you've kind of come off the post marathon high, then you still have to do a whole nother run?

[Jordan Litzy]

Yeah, I mean, I've always said that Sunday matinee is my least favorite show of the week. You're just kind of. You're almost at the finish line, but you're not quite there, and you're feeling really fatigued. It's the seventh show of the week. You just did a double the day before, so it's already a tough show anyway. And then you throw 26.2 miles on top of that. Yeah, and. And that just makes it really pretty grueling. But, yeah, you're right, the adrenaline was. Had completely worn off at that point. My wife and daughter came to hang out with me in between shows, and we just, you know, chilled in the dressing room. I, you know, played with my daughter, put my legs up on the wall, tried to drain the blood out of them, to kind of reset the system. And then I think maybe because the adrenaline had worn off, and I knew that it was the last show of the week and the last little hurdle that I had to get over. It was one of the best shows I've had in weeks.

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[Jordan Litzy]

To be honest.

[Mike]

Really?

[Jordan Litzy]

Yeah, I was just, I was free to just give whatever I had left in the tank. I finished, I finished Dancing Through Life and I was like, that's a darn good performance. I'm so happy with that. So yeah, I mean, maybe I need to, I need to run a marathon before every, every two show day.

[Mike]

There you go folks.

[Ian]

Yeah, you got a PR in Wicked Exact.

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[Ian]

Hey, if you've got a question that we can help you get to the bottom of, get it to [e-mail] maybe.

[Mike]

You encountered something that's 60 years old and no one has thought of in a very long time and you want us to delve into it to look a little deeper. We're gonna help you out. Just send it to [e-mail] I feel.

[Ian]

Like your tone there insulted my daughter's childlike curiosity, and I don't like it.

[Mike]

Not at all. Not at all. To you and your family, I have nothing but respect. Hey, Sarah and Jacob, what can we help you with?

[Jordan Litzy]

My question is, when I'm shaving my chest, I've got. I'm pretty hairy. I want to make sure I get everything, but then I just don't know really when to stop. Right. You got. You got the abs and up through the pecs and stuff. But how far do I need to go over my shoulders? I'm not going to shave all the way down my arm. I mean, that was just something I was thinking about.

[Mike]

Huh.

[Ian]

Yeah, I guess. I guess if someone did have abs and pecs, that would. That would be a concern.

[Jordan Litzy]

Yeah.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

So Jacob is very fit, he's very in shape, and he works hard. And I think I kind of tactfully suggested to him a few years ago that he might consider shaving his chest just to show off all his hard work and effort. So now it's a part of the routine, but he's just not sure. Where do you stop when shaving? Is there a proper protocol?

[Ian]

I feel that this feels like a very personal question, but. So if you are Jacob, unshaven, are we talking about a pretty thick coat from over the shoulders and down the back, is it?

[Jordan Litzy]

Luckily for me, it's not all the way down the back, but definitely my entire front is a thick coat.

[Mike]

Entire front. Do you have a beard?

[Jordan Litzy]

I don't maintain a beard. I try to shave my face and my. And my stomach regularly. Chest area.

[Mike]

Okay, so if we visualize you now when you've shaved your chest, shoulders, abs, does it look like you're wearing a flesh colored sweater?

[Ian]

A sweater vest. A flesh sweater vest. Sweater vest.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jordan Litzy]

That is not something that I ever imagined previously. But yeah, my arms are still hairy.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

There's also quite a process too, for the hair cleanup because you can't put it down a drain or a sink, so it has to, like, flop onto a towel on the floor and then get thrown out. It's a whole process. I just don't think we're doing it correctly.

[Ian]

Yeah, sounds like maybe a pet spa would be.

[Mike]

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, that's a great idea. Like a dog groomer.

[Ian]

Yeah, they have all the equipment.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Hi, my name's Crystal Murray, hyphenate class, and I am a professional dog handler. And so we go to dog shows every weekend and we have the fortunate job of showing beautiful standard poodles. We showed a very exceptional standard poodle named Ciba and she won the very prestigious Westminster Kennel Club.

[Ian]

And you groomed Ciba for that win, for that performance?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Absolutely, yep.

[Mike]

What could you describe? Siba? What. What Siba looks like. Is Siba a she or how do we.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Sheba is a. She is a black standard poodle, female.

[Ian]

And this is if for someone who doesn't, isn't maybe that versed in, in how show showing dogs works, this is the sort of poodle that we imagine when we imagine kind of the fancy poodle with the. The kind of balls at the feet and the big pompadour.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yep. So actually, what I used to. What I like to tell people is, so Germany kind of developed the breed, but then the French got them. That's why we have what we have today.

[Mike]

Is that right? So, wait, what did they look like before. Before France got involved?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

A little saggy, a little. A little less pretty, more working, less, you know, pampered pet kind of thing.

[Ian]

Can I ask, actually, like I just said, the little balls at their feet, what is the term for that when you actually know what you're talking about? Yeah.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

So actually, I can give you a super quick rundown on it. Those little balls are called their bracelets. The ones that they have over their hips are called their hip rosettes. And then the tail is usually just a tail pom pom type thing. So they've got their four bracelets, the hip rosettes, the body we usually call a pack, and then they literally have a top knot.

[Mike]

A top knot?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yeah. So, like, obviously back in the day, they would have just tied the hair on top of their head into a knot so it didn't get into their eyes. And now we do it with elastics and hairspray and it's quite, quite a deal.

[Ian]

So as, as you heard, we got this call from Sarah and Jacob. Jacob, I think, is to men what Siba is to poodles. He's A. He is, as we understand, a perfect specimen, but he is. He's very hairy, so he's not able to fully show off the definition that he has worked so hard to achieve. Using your expertise from the world of poodle grooming, what would your advice for Jacob be?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Well, there's a couple different things you can do. I mean, we. If you really want to see any of, like, the sculpting, chiseling, contours kind of like that, you would want a really short blade. You know, we. With the poodles, we can clipper them at different lengths so you get that different. Different effects there.

[Ian]

So wait, if I understand, it could be possible to sort of not do a complete hair removal, but actually use some hair remaining to do a little contouring, maybe add some shadow to the abs and pecs and actually enhance what Jacob is working with there, muscle wise?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yes, absolutely.

[Mike]

Oh, wait, does Siba have abs?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Well, not really. She had a litter of puppies, so she's got a mom's body now.

[Mike]

Good for her.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

So, yeah, you can almost create kind of like some shadowing or whatever.

[Ian]

Can I ask, so when you're at a competition, a show, are you, like, backstage doing it right before they go on, or is it.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yep, yep. There's a whole grooming area for all the different competitors and their dogs.

[Ian]

Are you nervous back there in that kind of final groom?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Sometimes. I mean, the regular shows, it's just kind of a routine thing for the show, like Westminster that we did. I was a wreck.

[Mike]

What's the vibe like back there? Is it pretty competitive? Like, do you see all the other dogs?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

It's. Yeah, you can see all the other dogs. It's competitive because, you know, you're competing against people from really all over the world. And it's nerve wracking because if you screw up, it's like you have no one to blame but yourself. Right?

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

So it's a lot.

[Mike]

So. But do you see another dog back there? And you're like, oh, that topknot is phenomenal.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Absolutely.

[Mike]

Really?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yeah, yeah, we totally do that.

[Mike]

Really?

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

It's like, oh, did you see? We're like, oh, did you see? She must have been really nervous. She just trimmed all the hair off.

[Mike]

Oh, no. Yeah. Okay. So you could tell, like, oh, they're not gonna make it.

[Ann-Margret / Crystal Murray]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Well, that does it for this week's show. What'd you learn, Ian?

[Ian]

It's weird how much Broadway we ended up with in today's show.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, I did.

[Ian]

I had no intention of this happening. But we started with Ann, Margaret and Bye Bye Birdie, one of the classics. Talked to Jordan, who's currently starring in.

[Mike]

Wicked on Broadway, and Jacob was super hairy, which is like the musical Hair.

[Ian]

I learned that maybe the best way to recover from a marathon is to dance for three hours, take a short break, and then dance for another three hours.

[Mike]

Yeah, in front of people. Not dance like no one's watching. Dance like people have paid hundreds of dollars to come see you dance. I will say, I think we got a satisfying result from the Bye Bye Birdie question. Right. Like we went into it not knowing exactly what was going on and talking to Ann Margret, she basically confirmed that's how she did it.

[Ian]

What if we listen back to all the great Broadway songs and it turns out every D is an H?

[Mike]

If this is true, do you think Hamilton is actually Damilton?

[Ian]

How to Do Everything is produced by Skyler Swenson with Hina Shrivastava.

[Mike]

Technical direction from Lorna White. We did use music this week, I believe, from Moby Gratis.

[Ian]

You can get us your [e-mail] I'm Ian.

[Mike]

And I'm Mike.

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