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Peter Sagal
Hey everybody, it's Peter Sagal and I've got a true story for you. Earlier this summer there was a lovely gathering of all the wait, wait. People, the extended family and everybody involved. And my wife came, which was quite lovely. Everybody was happy to see her. And she ran into house how to Do Everything producer Hina. And Hina said, you know, Mara, this is so funny. There's this great gag that Peter's gotten going for a while now where he says that how to Do Everything is your favorite show. Even though of course your husband Peter hosts a pretty well known podcast show himself. Haha, isn't it funny? And Mara says, actually, it's true. It is my favorite show. I love it. So great news for Mara and all of you. Season two of how to Do Everything is finally here. Mike and Ian did everything they were supposed to do to satisfy the corporate requirements and have been allowed to go back to the microphone. So we're very pleased to present to you episode one of season two of the revived how to Do Everything right here in our podcast for you to make sure you go over to theirs so that you don't have to bother with this other show in your podcast feed when you just want to hear how to Do Everything.
Mike
Labor Day was Monday.
Peter Sagal
We were showered with presents.
Mike
And according to everything we've ever heard, you cannot wear white after Labor Day.
Peter Sagal
What will happen? Will you explode? Will you be shunned by society? And where does the whole thing come from?
Mike
Elise Taylor is the senior lifestyle writer at Vogue. Elise, what can you tell us?
Ada Limón
Where it came from is that in the Gilded Age, those with money would often leave New York City, which was crowded and hot and swelling, sheltering, and go to a vacation location somewhere else. Maybe that was Newport, maybe that was Southampton, maybe that was Saratoga Springs. And since it was hot and then, you know, there was also just a formality of culture back then where you couldn't wear like shorts and a tank top. They were just trying to stay cool. So that's kind of how it started where white really became known as a summer color.
Mike
Yeah.
Ada Limón
And when it kind of became this, I don't want to say rule, I don't want to give this distinction, when it kind of became known that you didn't really wear those whites, the linens and the more breathable Fabrics is because when you got back to New York City, New York City was just disgusting. We didn't have a sanitation department. And so if you wore these white clothes and you stepped out into the street, which was covered in horse manure, garbage, we didn't really have anyone picking up our trash, sewage, all this really gross stuff, your clothes would get really, really dirty quickly. And so if you looked at, you know, the old issues of vogue, when they were talking about whites, they would say, you know, don't wear whites to town because it soils too easily. And so, you know, that's kind of how this all started.
Mike
So, okay, so you're at Vogue. You guys are setting a lot of the standards for what is fashionable. Are you and your colleagues wearing white pants after Labor Day?
Ada Limón
Yes, of course we are. You know, we have sanitation departments in our cities now. Feel free to walk around.
Mike
I love that. That's a great way to combat anybody who says, oh, really? That's what you're wearing today? And you could feel like, dude, we have sanitation departments in our cities now. You can wear whatever you want.
Ada Limón
Yeah. Like, we have taxis. We have subways. Please wear white. The world is getting hotter. It's probably more comfortable if you do. So.
Peter Sagal
This is how to do everything. I'm Ian.
Mike
And I'm Mike. On today's show, Andy Samberg and Kate McKinnon tell you what to do with any old baby teeth you have lying around.
Peter Sagal
But first, hey, Alex, what can we help you with?
Ada Limón
So we were on a vacation and on a drive to, like, a long road trip, and one of the questions that my wife and I came about was, we need to set up the out of office message and emails to not encourage people to talk to us.
Peter Sagal
Do you currently have an out office message that you use?
Ada Limón
Yes. It's like a very generic one. Like, I will be out of office until XYZ day, and if you have any need emergency assistance, please contact me this number. But at the same time, it's like, should I even bother to even do that? Or should I be humorous? Like, hey, you should, you know, spend your own time with your families or stuff like that.
Peter Sagal
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, what's a good way to put a little flair into it?
Ada Limón
Right?
Mike
Put flare, but also discourage a second attempt to contact you.
Peter Sagal
Yeah, eventually, Alex, just right off the bat, I think the funniest thing you could do is, I'm out of the office until whatever date for any urgent matters. Please email mike danforthpr.org so Mike, got all of your email. I think that would be great.
Mike
Yeah. I mean, I could.
Ada Limón
Nobody bother you.
Peter Sagal
Let me make sure. Hold on, Mike, I'm just gonna say your cell number and your home address and.
Mike
Alex, are you a nuclear scientist or someone on the front lines of stopping disasters? Because I'm ready. I'm ready to volunteer.
Ada Limón
Perfect.
Peter Sagal
In lieu of Mike helping Alex certainly lose his job, let's help Alex write a good out of office message. I think we have the perfect person to call.
Ada Limón
Hello?
Mike
Hello, Ada, can you hear me? Hello, this is Mike. Is this El Limon?
Ada Limón
It is Ada Limon.
Mike
Oh, thank God.
Ada Limón
Is this National Public Radio?
Mike
Sort of. I mean, technically, yes.
Ada Limón
Oh, I love it.
Mike
Ada Limon is the Poet Laureate of the United States. Ada, do you have an out of office email message?
Ada Limón
I have an out of office email that's on all the time.
Mike
Do you really? You're never in the office.
Ada Limón
I am 100% never in the office.
Mike
Perfect. Well, what is. Okay, so what does it say?
Ada Limón
Mine says that you can't reach me, but if it is a poetry emergency, and then it gives a contact, which I love, because then I get people who actually get me and say, I think this might be a poetry emergency. Wow. Which I love. And often it's a deadline that I need to meet. What?
Peter Sagal
Yeah. Is there. Has there ever been something where you're like, oh, that is actually a poetry emergency?
Ada Limón
Yes. Yes. One of them was I was working with NASA to create an original poem that is on a spacecraft that is currently heading to Jupiter, the second moon of Jupiter, Europa. And I needed to respond very quickly. So, you know, that went up the chain and became a poetry emergency.
Mike
Wow. That feels like there's, like, stakes involved with that.
Ada Limón
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
Do you generally, as a poet and as the poet laureate, do you feel added pressure to make the sort of, you know, the quotidian things that we have to write extra poetic? Like, do you agonize a little bit knowing your. Your reputation and people's expectations?
Ada Limón
Yes and no. For the most part. I think that everyone loves a thoughtful message. Everyone wants to know that there's a real human being that's replying to you. They don't necessarily need it to be poetic, quote unquote. They don't even need it to be of length. They just need to know that you're a real living human being on the other end. And I find that that is. That feels very necessary in this day and age.
Mike
So, like, what's a good way to convey that, to let people know you're a person without explicitly saying, by the way this is a person talking to you.
Ada Limón
Well, I was thinking about this when I was thinking about Alex's request. And I think partly it is to recognize that you are talking to someone. Right. So if I were Alex and I was thinking about who is receiving this out of office, I would want to take them into consideration. Right. Who's on the other end of this? And as poets, we often consider the reader.
Mike
Yeah.
Ada Limón
So a good prompt for him to begin would be who is receiving the message? Strangers. Right. Is it, you know, to those of you who've gathered at the edges of the universe, you know, to those found, you know, desirous of me and my.
Mike
Time, what if it's just Jimmy John's offering me $5 off my next sub because it's a spring break special.
Ada Limón
Right. So you can say, you know, dear friends, dear strangers, dear. Automatic replies from places I have frequented that now have never lost my email.
Mike
Yeah.
Ada Limón
You know, we can include them, I.
Peter Sagal
Think, I think implicit also in an out of office message, especially when it's someone going on vacation, which I think is the case with Alex. Is.
Ada Limón
Okay. I was going to ask. Yeah.
Peter Sagal
Is I. I am doing something want to do while the rest of you are stuck at work doing a thing you don't want to do.
Ada Limón
Yeah. What is it that you want to convey? Do you want to say that you're on vacation? Are you on vacation? Are you escaping? Or are you trying to maybe be vague about your location?
Mike
Oh, sure. Yeah.
Ada Limón
You know, so I think that's something to consider with poets. Sometimes we like to obfuscate a little bit. Sometimes we want to be super clear. Sometimes the strangest thing is our own reality. Right. If you were to say, you know, I'm going to be underwater with fish, you know, with the fish, with all the fishes of the sea. That's interesting. But that could be very clear that you're going scuba diving. You know, so you could. You could sort of use the clarity of truth to be somewhat absurd. Or you could try to hide it a tiny bit. So I am here, but I am not. I am a fish that can't be caught. You know?
Mike
Oh, my gosh.
Ada Limón
You could play around with it a little bit.
Mike
Ada, did you just write a poem for Alex?
Ada Limón
I did, I did. It just came out. If I start to rhyme, it's actually really absurd. So I try to avoid it.
Mike
You couldn't help it.
Peter Sagal
I mean, I think Alex. Yes, Alex. Should just use that. That's also the solution.
Mike
Yeah. Good news, Alex. You have a new out of office email and you're going to SeaWorld.
Ada Limón
Not SeaWorld. Not SeaWorld.
Mike
Okay, fair enough.
Ada Limón
And I also want to just say the third thing that he should really think about is also a sign off. All poets really have to consider our endings. So I would make sure that he's also considering what he wants to say as a sign off. You know, is it, you know, don't despair. Or rather do I've gone away and so should you. You know, something, something kind of fun.
Peter Sagal
You can't help it.
Mike
You did it again. You can't help it.
Ada Limón
I know. And really poems don't need to rhyme and yet it's a joy to rhyme.
Mike
I don't know. You're the poet laureate. I think you just decided that they do.
Peter Sagal
I was, I was kidding earlier when I suggested to Alex that we give all of Mike's contact info so that he could be his emergency out of office contact. But I actually think this would be a lot of fun. I think that for all of you listening right now, we could be, we could be your out of office emergency contact.
Mike
Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean that, I mean not real emergencies. We should be clear.
Peter Sagal
Yeah, we will be your out of office contact.
Mike
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
Let's not over promise the thing to do. I think we are going to write up an out of office message that you can copy and paste. We'll put that in the show notes, put that in your emails when you go on vacation or leave the office and whoever reaches out to you, they will have a way to contact us and we will try and answer their question.
Mike
Yep. We will jump in front of any emails that you get. Anyone who's upset, anyone with a pressing question that they, that only you can answer, we will answer it.
Peter Sagal
I feel like we're going to want to stop doing this at some point. So let me just say if you're listening to this episode, after July 2034, the service is no longer available to you. But yes, if you want seriously take this thing, put it in your email and we'll see what happens.
Mike
Yeah. Good luck everybody and enjoy your time off.
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So I think that's what we need.
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Peter Sagal
It's probably a good time to tell you that whatever question you may have, maybe it's out of office related, maybe it's poetry related, we will answer it for you.
Mike
Maybe it's about being in the office.
Peter Sagal
Out of office or in the office that covers every possible question in the universe. Whatever it may be, send it to us@howtopr.org you probably know this. Whenever a big movie comes out, there's always junkets where the stars of the movie, they stay in one place and journalists from all over the world get six minutes with them to ask them whatever questions. And everybody always asks the same questions.
Mike
Do you remember this from the movie Notting Hill? Remember when Hugh Grant has to go interview Julia Roberts character Anna Scott and the only way he can do it is to pretend he's a magazine writer for Horse and Hound magazine? Do you remember this?
Peter Sagal
I don't remember it, but I love hearing how many details you just remember.
Mike
Terrific. It's a terrific movie. It's actually really good.
Peter Sagal
The reason we bring up junkets is because there's a new movie coming out called the Roses. It stars Kate McKinnon and Andy Samberg and other people, but Kate McKinnon and Andy Samberg recently did a junket and we joined it.
Mike
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
But rather than ask them the same questions that they were getting asked by thousands of other people, we decided to ask them your questions.
Mike
So here we go. These are questions you provided that. That we asked Kate and Andy. This first question is from Rosa.
Ada Limón
Hi, Mike and Ian. So recently my oldest lost his first tooth. And as I was holding the tooth in my hand, I immediately questioned what I was supposed to do with it. Frankly, my husband and I don't agree. He was leaning towards keeping the tooth and I thought that was kind of gross, but I also feel some level of guilt throwing it in the trash. So I guess my question is, what am I supposed to do with my kids baby teeth when they fall out? Thank you.
Kate McKinnon
A husband should take it, say he threw it away, but keep it in a secret place.
Mike
Oh, okay.
Ada Limón
It's not. It's not a. A TV that doesn't work anymore. It's a tiny thing.
Mike
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
Why.
Ada Limón
Why throw it away?
Kate McKinnon
I mean, I do know there's. There's many instances of like, children grow up and then at one point they find like a little baggie of all these little dinky teeth and it is kind of disconcerting.
Ada Limón
Yeah. I have an idea. Make a very small hole in your sheetrock drop through. When someone does a big reno on your house, they'll find a tooth and they'll call the police and it'll be kind of a fun day for everyone.
Kate McKinnon
Dad, you were the jump rope killer.
Mike
All right, here's another question. This is from Aaron. How do you explain to your wife that you are not into kissing due to bad breath?
Ada Limón
Hmm. That is beyond my pay grade.
Kate McKinnon
I think it's. If you're in a long term relationship, no matter who you are, you gotta tell that person.
Mike
I think that's right.
Kate McKinnon
I've certainly been told before, like, woof, you know, not always, but there are times when we all have a moment where our breath is not as nice as it could be. I would be sad to know that I wasn't told and they had to suffer.
Mike
Andy, in that situation, how would you like to be told that you have bad breath?
Kate McKinnon
Probably like. No, like that. Kate.
Ada Limón
Here's how I'd like to be told. Gum?
Kate McKinnon
Yeah, it like comes up. It comes up from under the covers.
Mike
I didn't realize they were in bed. Okay.
Kate McKinnon
Well, yeah, I just. That's how I imagined it.
Mike
Yeah.
Kate McKinnon
Gum. Oh. Where did that come from? Oh, I see. Premeditated. This is long. This has been a long time. Coming.
Peter Sagal
One more. One more question. This is from Emily. My husband and I love each other dearly, but he cannot stand the sound of me eating potato chips. We can't eat chips in the same room. What do we do?
Kate McKinnon
Wow. I've never heard potato chips. Being one of those.
Ada Limón
As a person who doesn't actively dislikes potato chips, it's hard to why this is a problem. Why someone would be so devoted to. To eating potato chips that they would let it get in the way of their relationship.
Kate McKinnon
All chips, Kate, or just potato chips? Do you like. No chips for you.
Ada Limón
Chips.
Mike
Really? What is it about chips?
Ada Limón
I don't. I don't care for them.
Mike
Okay.
Peter Sagal
Fries. Do you like fries?
Ada Limón
Sure. I don't seek them out.
Mike
Sorry. Do you like pretzels?
Ada Limón
No.
Peter Sagal
What do you like?
Ada Limón
Yeah, I like plenty. I guess I don't like it if it's from a little bag.
Kate McKinnon
I think in a relationship you get a few things that you get to ask for. Like this.
Peter Sagal
Right.
Kate McKinnon
I think if it's really a big priority, you say, can you eat those somewhere else?
Mike
Yeah.
Kate McKinnon
There's certain things that we can't explain why really bother us in that way, like auditory or sensory in any way. I think if you're with somebody, you are allowed to tell them a few things like that. But be warned, if you bring it up, there's a strong chance you've got a few for them also, and it might come back at you.
Mike
It's a real Pandora's box. Okay.
Peter Sagal
Thank you all so much for helping all of these people.
Kate McKinnon
Our pleasure. I think we really cracked it.
Peter Sagal
Well, that does it for this week's show. What did we learn today, Mike?
Mike
Well, I learned that the whole white after Labor Day thing isn't so much about fashion as it is about how gross the city was and that you couldn't. You didn't want to wear white when you were back in the city because you would get all dirty.
Peter Sagal
Yeah.
Ada Limón
You just.
Peter Sagal
You would look disgusting.
Mike
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
I have small children.
Mike
Yeah.
Peter Sagal
And I do find that there are certain clothes wearing white after having small children should also be banned by Vogue magazine.
Mike
What kind of stains do you have? Do you have. Cause I've seen. I know some of your clothes. You have some white sweatshirts. Are they pristine still?
Peter Sagal
I have to be very careful. I usually wear them. I'll put them on after the children go to bed and remove them before the children wake up. I did recently. I have a red. There's a red stain on one of my off white T shirts. But the red stain is dead center in the back and I don't know how it got there.
Mike
What's the situation where you as a parent of two small children ever get something on your back like were you guys did one of your kids? Is one of your kids a coward? And they could only only get you from behind where you weren't paying that you weren't looking like to my face son?
Peter Sagal
How to Do Everything is produced by Hina Srivastava with technical direction from Lorna White.
Mike
You can send us your questions@howtpr.org and don't forget we will be your out of office email responders if you need that help.
Peter Sagal
It's kind of an experiment to see how many American companies we can bring down just by doing our best to help the out of office is in the show notes I want to say one more thing that some of the music in today's show was provided by Moby Gratis. Oh, I'm required to say it, but I want to say it. I'm Ian.
Mike
And I'm Mike.
Ada Limón
Thanks. Thank you.
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With Andy Samberg, Kate McKinnon, and U.S. Poet Laureate Ada Limón
Date: September 3, 2025
Host: Peter Sagal (NPR)
Guests: Andy Samberg, Kate McKinnon, Ada Limón
This special crossover episode is a revived installment of "How to Do Everything," featuring lighthearted problem-solving with host Peter Sagal, Mike Danforth, and Ian Chillag. This week, the show tackles questions about etiquette (wearing white after Labor Day), crafting memorable out-of-office email messages (with wisdom from Ada Limón), and the quirks of modern life, answered by beloved comedians Andy Samberg and Kate McKinnon. The recurring tone is witty, self-aware, and playfully absurd, aiming to both inform and entertain.
Segment: [01:29–03:50]
“New York City was just disgusting. ...your clothes would get really, really dirty quickly. So if you looked at the old issues of Vogue...they would say, you know, don't wear whites to town because it soils too easily.” [02:28]
“We have sanitation departments in our cities now. Feel free to walk around.” [03:25]
“Please wear white. The world is getting hotter. It's probably more comfortable if you do.” [03:41]
Segment: [04:00–13:33]
A listener ponders whether his OOO email should remain generic or inject humor/discourage replies.
“Everyone loves a thoughtful message. Everyone wants to know that there’s a real human being that’s replying to you. ...They just need to know that you’re a real living human being on the other end.” [07:54]
“As poets, we often consider the reader. ...A good prompt...would be who is receiving the message?” [08:37]
“All poets really have to consider our endings.” [11:33]
“I am a fish that can't be caught...” [11:02]
“Don’t despair. Or rather do. I’ve gone away and so should you.” [11:53]
“We could be your out of office emergency contact.” [12:15]
Segment: [17:02–21:41]
In a press junket for their new movie “The Roses,” Andy and Kate answer unusual listener questions.
“A husband should take it, say he threw it away, but keep it in a secret place.” [17:56]
“Make a very small hole in your sheetrock, drop [the tooth] through. When someone does a big reno, they'll find a tooth and call the police and it'll be a fun day for everyone.” [18:25]
“Dad, you were the jump rope killer.” [18:45]
“I think ... you gotta tell that person.” [19:02]
“I've certainly been told before—like, woof... I would be sad to know that I wasn't told and they had to suffer.” [19:11]
“Here’s how I'd like to be told: Gum?” [19:36]
“In a relationship you get a few things you get to ask for like this. ...If it's really a big priority you say, can you eat those somewhere else?” [21:02] “But be warned... bring it up, there's a strong chance you’ve got a few for them also, and it might come back at you.” [21:15]
“It's a real Pandora's box.” [21:36]
Segment: [21:47–23:16]
“The whole white after Labor Day thing isn't so much about fashion as it is about how gross the city was....” [21:52]
“You would look disgusting.” [22:06]
“I usually wear [white clothes]...after the children go to bed and remove them before the children wake up.” [22:29]
Ada Limón (on OOO messages):
“Poems don’t need to rhyme and yet it’s a joy to rhyme.” [12:03]
Hosts Volunteering as OOO Contacts:
“If you want, seriously take this thing... put it in your email and we'll see what happens.” — Peter Sagal [13:13]
Kate McKinnon’s Relationship Wisdom:
“If it's really a big priority, you say, can you eat those somewhere else? ...But be warned... it might come back at you.” [21:15]
Andy Samberg & Kate McKinnon on Baby Teeth:
“Make a small hole in your sheetrock, drop [the tooth] through. When someone does a big reno...they’ll find a tooth and call the police...” — Ada Limón [18:25]
“Dad, you were the jump rope killer.” — Kate McKinnon [18:45]
The episode is witty, informal, and inclusive—balancing genuine insight (fashion history, professional communication) with absurd and creative humor. Ada Limón’s poetic sensibility shines, making even an OOO message seem artful. Samberg and McKinnon bring playful banter and honesty to everyday dilemmas. Whether you’re crafting a witty away message or wondering what to do with a loose tooth, there’s something here for every listener.
Hosts: “Good luck everybody, and enjoy your time off.” [13:33]