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The first two episodes feature an interview with the photographer Paul Conroy who has died, at home with family in Devon, of a heart attack.

We thought it was important to put out this out as an extended recording in two parts, as a tribute to his unique contribution to conflict journalism.

Paul was best known for his work with the Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin of course. And in this part, he talks about why they clicked as a team even though she didn’t much like photographers. Lindsey Hilsum and Channel Four News. How he made pictures of war relatable for a news consumer eating their breakfast and reading the paper. And why Paul found working under fire in the Donbas almost relaxing, compared to many other places he’d been. He spoke to me from his flat in Kramatorsk near the front line.

Right at the end, when we were winding up, he mentioned the air raid sirens going off. Suddenly, the call went dead. He messaged a little later to say he was unhurt. What he called his ‘awful neighbours’ – the Russian military -- had taken out the town’s power and communications in a couple of big explosions.