#3442 (REWIND) S14E23: Never Have I Ever

Summary

Watch What Crappens - Episode #3442 (REWIND) S14E23: Never Have I Ever
Date: July 7, 2026
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the final part of the Real Housewives of Orange County Season 14 reunion, focusing especially on Vicki Gunvalson's explosive farewell, a caustic group review of cast antics, and bittersweet personal revelations from several Housewives. Ben and Ronnie bring their signature mix of sharp humor, affectionate ridicule, and on-point Bravo analysis, making sense of the chaos while highlighting what made this reunion both hilarious and, at times, deeply emotional.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Vicki’s Epic Meltdown and Departure (04:45—23:12)

• Ben and Ronnie kick off with Vicki’s central presence in the reunion, narrating and impersonating her iconic instability.
• "If Vicki’s last episode ends with her going fuck you, fuck you to the cameras and slamming the door...what a perfect ending for Vicki." — Ronnie (04:46)
• The hosts recount Vicki’s objection to on-screen displays of affection, especially from Bronwyn, framing it as hypocritical due to Vicki's own infamous on-screen behavior.
• "She just found all the hills and just...died on all of them...the most inconsequential hills." — Ben (05:01)
• Multiple flashbacks and reunions expose Vicki’s inconsistencies as both hosts gleefully track editors refuting every attempt at revisionist history.
• “Listen, you can cook a shitty meal...for 15 minutes in a toaster oven, or you can overcook it for 15 years...it’s still gonna turn out badly.” — Ben (08:38)
• Vicki's fight with the producers backstage and her final dramatic exit is unanimously declared as reality TV gold.

2. Hypocrisy & Morality Debates: Bronwyn vs. Vicki (06:33—18:24)

• Discussion about Vicki’s outdated attitudes on nudity and sexuality, with recurring bits mocking her as "Frank Oz, Muppet territory" and using Louis Armstrong impressions.
• The contrast between Vicki’s past wildness and her new moral outrage drives much of the reunion and podcast, with Ben and Ronnie (and Andy Cohen, per montage) delighting in every contradictory soundbite.
• The hosts discuss the underlying homophobia of Vicki’s comments and the show’s ongoing queerness.

3. Threesomes, Role Models, and Self-Congratulation (24:07—28:39)

• Bronwyn’s openness about her sexuality, threesomes, and parenting leads to both critique and self-elevation.
• "I'd like to thank myself for giving me this award." — Ben, parodying Bronwyn (17:38)
• Tamra attempts to outdo Bronwyn, revealing her own threesomes and sexcapades, further mocking the Housewives' weird rivalry over “edgiest mom.”

4. Kelly’s Segment: Family Drama and Relationships (29:33—33:59)

• Kelly discusses her family estrangement rumors, social-media breakup with Dr. Brian, and budding relationship with Rick Leventhal.
• Shannon and Tamra take the opportunity to needle Kelly over custody and logistics with her daughter.
• "There’s case law to support that." — Ben, in full legalese (30:33)
• The hosts enjoy the relatively drama-free way Kelly ended her previous relationship.

5. Shane Joins: Emily’s Marriage and Weight Loss (36:12—50:46)

• Shane’s notorious lack of support is dissected; Emily’s struggle to detail marriage issues vs. the editors’ cut of his worst moments; Gina is called out for exposing private drama.
• Ronnie and Ben highlight the relentless Housewives pettiness: "You win some and you lose some. Or, in the case of Emily, you win some and you don't lose some. Oh!" — Ben (38:36)
• Tension between empowering body positivity and public weight discussion is teased through the panel.
• Shane tries damage control, and Ben notes he’s "had very good coaching—like scandal coaching." (47:33)
• The hosts criticize Tamra and Shannon’s skewed, woman-blaming takes.

6. Gina’s Emotional Reveal: Domestic Violence (52:52—57:44)

• Gina’s new relationship and harrowing account of Matt’s arrest are given space, with both hosts expressing empathy and discomfort over the minimization of the violence.
• “She was saying, well, you know, he's walking and walking ... like it's going over in his head...I felt bad that she had to, that she was up there on this reunion saying ... it almost sounds like she's taking a little bit of that responsibility off his shoulders. So when she said that, I was like, no, Gina, no.” — Ben (55:01)
• Kelly instructs Tamra to offer a hug, highlighting the artificiality of “Housewives empathy.”

7. The Bowl/Rose Petal Ending: Housewives Self-Reflection (57:44—62:32)

• Andy introduces an awkward “let go and invite in” bowl/rose petals ritual.
• Each cast member lets go of a “negative” and invites in something new (with Ben and Ronnie lampooning the forced sincerity and light drama).
• Ronnie: “I don’t need to hear bulls dong. My brain is bleeding at this point.” (58:10)
• “Season 14. May we never relive.” — Tamra, toasting the end (62:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “What a wonderful franchise. What a terrible naked slut you are.” — Ronnie, as Louis Armstrong (07:21)
• “Andy’s like, oh, Vicki, I’ve got news for you. The show has never changed, okay? It’s always been trash.” — Ronnie (11:44)
• “If those are your dick moments, dude, you gotta work on your dick.” — Ben (52:06)
• “Of all the items that could get caught in between two people in a hug, a pillow is the best thing.” — Ronnie (56:48)
• “I just want to let go of risky beauty choices. I was like, when is that gonna start?” — Ronnie (59:57)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Highlights | | ---------- | ---------------------------------------- | ------------------------------------------------------- | | 04:45–23:12 | Vicki’s meltdown and ending | Door slam, moral hypocrisy shots, editors’ takedowns | | 24:07–28:39 | Threesomes/role models | Bronwyn self-praise, Tamra one-upping | | 29:33–33:59 | Kelly family and relationship segment | Sibling drama, social media breakup, Leventhal challenge| | 36:12–52:47 | Shane & Emily marriage/weight issues | Shane’s bar exam blame, body image, rivalry with Gina | | 52:52–57:44 | Gina’s domestic violence revelation | Emotional retelling, panel’s discomfort | | 57:44–62:32 | Rose petal “letting go” exercise | Absurd ceremonial close, comic asides |

(Note: Episode includes several ad breaks and Patreon sponsor reads not summarized here.)

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Tone & Style

Ben and Ronnie stay true to their irreverent, performative style—bantering through impressions, exaggerated voices, and constant comedic riffing on both cast antics and Bravo editing. They blend affectionate lampooning with genuine emotional insight, especially during heavier moments like Gina’s segment. Their inside-out knowledge of Bravo’s formulas keeps the commentary both sharply critical and highly entertaining for fans and casual listeners alike.

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For Bravo fans or Real Housewives viewers, this episode is a must-listen: part roast, part reality soap-opera debrief, and an all-around uproarious wrap-up to a landmark reunion.

Transcript

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Hello and welcome to Watch what Crappens, the podcast about all that crap we love to talk about on Yule Bravs. I'm Ronnie Caram. Merry day after Christmas, everybody. That's Ben over there. Hi Ben.

[Ben]

Hi. What's up?

[Ronnie Caram]

Good to talk to you, huh? It's been so long. Me?

[Ben]

I know it's been. It's weird. Happy Boxing Day.

[Ronnie Caram]

What is Boxing Day?

[Ben]

Apparently it's a British holiday where you then bring gifts to friends.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, well, I've heard that term a lot this year, but I had never heard it before.

[Ben]

Yeah, I think that's what it is. I mean, I would like it because I haven't gotten any gifts. I wanna, I'll. I'm gonna take a. I'm gonna. This is what happens when you're, when you're a December birthday. It's just everything's, you know. Oh yeah, I got my birthday gifts and I'm very grateful for them and I'm very happy and that's just, you know, and I'll just. I'm happy to sit on the sidelines here for the holiday season for the 41st time.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, you can find me Ronnie over on the Rose Pricks Bachelor Roast podcast. And you can find Ben writing and voicing and doing all that good stuff for the Real Housewares of Kitchen island, which is a really funny YouTube cartoon. So go check it out. And we are doing some live shows. I'm gonna just go through the cities real quick here. So everybody knows because this is our last show of 20. Well, it's the last. We're recording the Last 1 of 2019. We will be releasing our Berkshire's episode that we did live last month or this month, whatever, whatever. We're going to release it in a couple days.

[Ben]

The. Not the Berkshire's, but when we went to Philadelphia and it was the episode where a Real Housewives of Beverly Hills of Taylor Armstrong, I was like, it's an entirely different.

[Ronnie Caram]

Guys, this is the night after Christmas. Okay. I don't know what you expect from me, but you're not going to get much. Thankfully I've led you to expect nothing. So.

[Ben]

And I just.

[Ronnie Caram]

Good.

[Ben]

I just gorged myself on Indian food and, and, and just finished drinking like the last of my store bought eggnog. So I'm just coasting right into a food coma right now. So this is like perfect. Good luck, everyone. Good luck. Well, here we are, guys. We're at the final episode of Orange county season 14, the reunion part three. It's been a great, great reunion. Hilarious. It continues to be hilarious. It gets very emotional at the end of this hour. But still overall, like great, great job with the reunion. Like ladies of Orange county, great job.

[Ronnie Caram]

Way to just bring Vicki crumbling down. I don't know that you can ever really bring her crumbling down. But if Vicky's last show, if her last episode ends with her going fuck you, fuck you to the cameras and slamming the door in their face. I mean, what a perfect ending for Vicky.

[Ben]

Yeah, a spectacular flame out for her for the original, the OG of the oc I mean, she just was. She just like. It's like she found so many. So many hills. It's like she went to Rome. Isn't Rome the city that's, like, surrounded by seven hills? She just found all the hills and just. She died on all of them. She's like, I'm gonna find every. Any hill I can find. I'm gonna die on it. And they're like the most inconsequential hills.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And you could be like, I didn't die on a hill. And then they would show a clip of her dying on the hill. It's like, I did not die on the hill. It's like dying on a hill. Okay, you died on hill. It's on the.

[Ben]

Yeah, she's literally on a hill. She's like, I died in the valley. No, it's on a hill. Hill. Hill.

[Ronnie Caram]

So let's get it going. Reunion 3. Normally, we are not just inundated like this with reunion episodes of one Housewives show.

[Ben]

Well, there used to be a time. There was a time, like a few years ago when it was reunion time. They would have, like, back to back nights of the reunion. They used to do that. Now they stretch them out. And so we've gotten used to that schedule. But having like three reunion episodes in one week, and not to mention the fact that I think there was no other reunion happening. We just felt like there was like five other reunions. Just. It's. It's been intense. It's been intense for us.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Very funly intense. Yeah, funly. That's good word. Taking it to 2020.

[Ben]

Yeah, it's new word of we did it. Fun new word for a new decade.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we opened with Vicki yelling at Bronwyn still, because I don't like kissing. I don't like nakedness. Do it off camera. 15 years I started this show. 15 years I started this show. And she's really just in Frank Oz, Muppet territory at this point.

[Ben]

Yeah, she really has. She really has started to, like, really. Well, you know, that's a. It's a very charged thing to say that, you know, given Vicki's background and what she's had to go through from Slate Smiley. But the truth is, she really is, like, embracing that guttural, like,

[Sponsor/Announcer]

50 years.

[Ben]

She's like, too dad, Bronwyn.

[Ronnie Caram]

Too dad, Bronwyn. Fifteen years ago I started this show. Do it off camera. 15 years I started. 15 years I started me start. Show me start.

[Ben]

She was like, turning into Louis Armstrong.

[Ronnie Caram]

What A wonderful franchise. What a terrible naked slut you are.

[Ben]

I see degrading women.

[Ronnie Caram]

Trashy ladies, too.

[Ben]

They're all damn brown wooden. And this is what I think of you.

[Ronnie Caram]

I don't want to see your boobs anymore, you stupid lesbian. What? A stupid lady's kissing. Yeah. So, you know, making Vicky's blatant homophobia fun. Jesus. So she's like, yeah, I don't like making this. I can't believe you. And Kelly's like, you should say the same thing to Tamara. She's like, I did. I did say it. I just said to jam, right? I did. I did.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

I do it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I say it. I did it. 15 seconds. 15 seconds you've been on this show. 15. I'm like, what? What is it? 15 years. He started this show. 15 seconds you've been on this show. She just likes the number 15, you know? And you have to say, she's lasted a lot longer than 15 minutes. Because I was going to say, you know, your 15 minutes are up. But it's been, you know, 15 years, so. Good for you. Andy Warhol said Everybody would have 15 minutes of fame. Like, every idiot in the world would just have 15 minutes of fame. And you have proven that idiots can have a lot longer time in the sun. So congrats.

[Ben]

Listen, you can cook a shitty meal, you can overcook a shitty meal, but for 15 minutes in a toaster oven, or you can overcook it for 15 years in a slow cooker, it's still gonna turn out badly. And that's what Vicky sort of has turned into a gloppy meal that's been around too long. But you know what she. The best, though, is that she still lives in this, like, world of delu. This wonderful world of delusion. So much delusion that I think that they should keep her around because it's the sort of delusion that we dream of on these. On these shows.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Brock.

[Ben]

So when she's yelling at Bronwyn, Bronwyn goes, you're not the boss of me. And Vicki's like, oh, you're brand new to this show. Okay? We got kids watching it. Like, what? She's acting as if this, like, aired right after Thanksgiving on ABC with, like, John Stamos and, like. Like a. Like a projection of Elsa from Frozen. This is the kids. If kids are watching it. There may be kids watching it, but this is not a children's show, okay? This is not wholesome family entertainment by any stretch of the imagination.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And they're not enjoying it. You know, it's like they're watching it and they're terrified. This is, like, nightmare inducing for kids.

[Ben]

Yeah. Like, you. You shoot scenes in an insurance company. Okay? That's like, I guarantee you kids are not watching.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Bronwyn's like, I know my own kids watch. And Tamara said, yeah. And she asked to share a laugh. She's sharing a laugh every. Like, okay, Bronwyn. Okay, Bronwyn. Like, you took your clothes off. You know what? You took your clothes off. Let's just elevate. I lost two clients last month because of this. Two clients last month. And because of everything that Bronwyn did. How about you lost clients because of yourself? Thank God Andy is there with the editors to show also who fires insurance people because they want a moral insurance company.

[Ben]

Like, it's probably just what they sold her. They felt bad about saying, no, you're a shitty insurance dealer. So instead, I'm just gonna say, o, not comfortable with the show. I mean, I'm surprised she's only lost two. Two clients over the years. She makes it sound like she's never lost anyone because of the show. I mean, anyone who's getting the getting, you know, represented by Vicki getting their insurance from Vicki in the first place already. You have to question their motives and their, like, judgment just to begin with.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Andy reminds her. He's like, yeah, you flashed your tits on this show. She's like, I didn't do it on camera, Andy. I did not do it on camera, Andy. I not do it on camera. And then they show her on camera pulling down her top.

[Ben]

And then Andy's like, you demonstrated how to give a blow job. And she goes, it was a bachelorette party. And then they show her, like, giving fellatio to Popsicle. And then Gina's like, you've gotten so wasted, you've pissed beds. And then we see that clip of her when she peed on a bed. It's like everyone was piling on. It's like you once kicked over a newsstand. I did not kick over a newsstand. Like, cute, unseen footage of, like, Tammy Knickerbocker opening up a newsstand and Vicki knocking it over.

[Ronnie Caram]

I did not do that, okay? I peed on the bed. I'm sorry. I peed on the bed. I'm sorry I had to catch.

[Ben]

You sold weapons of mass destruction. I did not sell weapons of mass destruction. It's like her with Saddam Hussein.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Andy's like, oh, Vicky, I've got news for you. The show has never changed, okay? It's always been trash. I don't know where you've been, but this show started as trash, and it will die as trash. Do you understand me? And so Bronwyn starts her. Listen, I've had kids in my. I've had babies in my 20s, in my 30s, in my 40s. We know Bronwyn. We know you have babies for 20 years. We know you lactated and you're at a party and had strippers.

[Ben]

Which is weird.

[Ronnie Caram]

Which is weird. Look, Vicky's doing all this crazy shit with her voice.

[Ben]

Yeah. And you can't tell, like, is she almost being jokey? Because there's almost like a slight curl of a smile on her face. You just kind of can't really tell what's going on. But all I know is that she is fixated on the fact that Bronwyn gets. Has gotten naked and is fixated on the fact that Bronwyn and Sean have, like, basically had three ways with, like, another girl. Even though Tamara has been naked on the show multiple, multiple, multiple times. I mean, I feel like every year we have to watch her get naked and jump into some sort of hot tub and break her foot, like, every.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, and Vicky and Andalays and being so mad at strippers. And we see Vicky getting a lap dance. You know, I'm a mother, a grandmother, and a businesswoman. I want to do everything I can to be respected. And this name calling, this trash and dicks, it's like, what happened to the show? What happened to the show?

[Ben]

Yeah. And he goes, you realize you're giving us, like, every opportunity to pause and do montages, right? It was like such a meta moment, but it was so true. He's like, I mean, like, we're just gonna. We're just gonna refute everything you say. I mean, we've got the footage, Vicki. We have it.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, I don't care. Then show the montage. And so they do. And it is just priceless. I mean, it is just. They grab her by the ankles again and just drag her right across the floor.

[Ben]

Yeah. It's just like we see Vicki doing a keg stand. We see Vicki talking about having a. Kissing other girls. We saw. We see Vicki talking about how she wanted to be like a swinger with a guy, strippers, doing shots out of her tits, kissing Shannon on the lips, just farting. I mean, that's. And that's just like the light version.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Tamara says, I miss the fun, Vicky. I miss the fun, Vicky. It's like I am having Fun. Oh, trust me. I'm having so much fun. They're like, you don't seem like you're very happy. No, put that out.

[Ben]

And Andy goes, so did getting Gretchen naked wasted meet your moral compass? I didn't do that. I didn't do that. It happened on the show. Okay, time for another montage. And they just show it all over again.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yep. And he's like. And you think getting naked is a new thing on this show? And she's like. Vicki's like, you know what? Women have to want to emulate us.

[Ben]

Like, no, no, no, no, Vicky, no one's emulating you. No one. And Vicky's like, people. People want to emanate this trash. Like, kissing each other. No. You know, there are some people who. That is like, their life, by the way. Like, it's not. It's not unheard of for women to kiss other women. And it's, like, not amoral or immoral at all. It's actually like a very loving and wonderful thing. Vicky.

[Ronnie Caram]

Victoria. He's fucking homophobic. Idiot. I mean, I guess you're on the right show for that, but what a moron. It's time for a commercial. It's time for a crappin's commercial. Summer smells like citrus in the sun, spontaneous road trips and warm backyard evenings that stretch on forever. It's a feeling you want to hold onto long after the season ends.

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[Ronnie Caram]

say I'm not a role model, but some people do look at me as a role model. And she's like, oh, Jesus. And she does the sign of the cross.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's like, I was so courageous to talk about swinging with my husband. Okay. Or she's like, bringing other people. And I meant not swinging.

[Ben]

Yeah, well, she. But she's like, I love how Bronwyn is giving herself, like, she's like giving herself her own, like, award from, from like the Humane Society or something like that. Like that or the, like, I don't know. But she's just giving herself an award. But like, I, I think that what I did was brave. I. I could have just said it was a drunk mistake. But no, I said, we are going to have another woman in this relationship every 10 years on big birthdays. And I stand by and was a powerful moment for me. Thank you. I'd like to thank myself for giving me this award. Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I was a hero. Vicky's like, well, I think it's disgusting. It must disgusting there. And Shannon goes, ha. Strong words.

[Ben]

Strong words.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, very strong,

[Ben]

Very strong words. So Vicky is like. She's like, yeah, being married with seven children and then bringing a woman into the bedroom, that's disgusting. That's disgusting. Choose your lane. Choose your. I mean, like, like, like, I, you know. Yeah, it's like, choose your lane. And so then. And then he's like, he's basically like, you're. Everyone's basically being like, you're being ridiculous. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, why should she change her name, her lane? And she's like, because it's disgusting. I think being married and choosing women, that's disgusting. It's disgusting. He's like, that's how she's living her life. She's like. And I have an opinion about it.

[Ben]

And he.

[Ronnie Caram]

And so Tamara's like, yeah, none of us are here to be role models, okay? And Andy goes, well, she is. Apparently. Andy's just openly mocking Vicki this whole time. And she goes, well, you know what? I did interview for this job, by the way, Andy, I did not interview you. And he Goes, sweetie, I saw your interview tape. And let's cut to Vicky's interview tape.

[Ben]

She's like, oh, I got a big TV over here. And this is, like, where we have living room. Living room. We hang out here, and then we have, like, drinks for parties and everything like that. It's a really cozy, comfortable. Anyway, hope, I hope I can be on your show. I'd love to be on it. Thanks. And Vicki's like, you know, I didn't even know it was a reality show. I didn't know what it was. And he goes, you've been here for 14 years. Don't say you didn't want to be on a reality show. You've been here for 14 years, and you're clawing your way into this reunion. You just had a hissy fit backstage because you're not getting enough screen time and you're not being seated in the place on the couch that you want to be seated.

[Ronnie Caram]

The best part of this, to me was that her name was Vicki Wolfsmith, which I forgot.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And it says, vicki Wolfsmith runs a very successful business. Her husband works at Home Depot.

[Ben]

Was that Don? I mean, because.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, that was her first husband. Right.

[Ben]

But I thought that Don. I thought the first husband was already out of the picture at that point.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's what I thought, too. So why is it Vicki, Will Smith? I don't know.

[Ben]

Maybe that's just what she was going by at that time before, you know, before.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just. Just. I just want to be a regular submit. Just make me Vicky Smith. So people don't know her, but I want to be a tough Smith. I don't. I'm a strong Will Smith. Just make me a Wolfsmith.

[Ben]

All right. Yeah. Yeah. So. So, yeah. So Vicki's basically saying, like, how. No, she. She's basically saying she's not thirsty, like, Brahm One and everything. She's not doing all the things that this one wants to do. And Shannon's like, can we just move on? Can I move on, please? I'm. I'm. I'm having negative thoughts, getting memories of David right now. Can you just move on? So Andy's like, all right, Vicki, anything you want to say before you leave? She goes, yes, I don't do podcasts at all. I will never appear on a podcast. And I have a podcast coming up with Westwood One called Financially Fabulous, how to waste all your money on a terrible insurance agent. Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Stop buying teeth for people that you don't know well enough. And she goes, it's going to be about What I really believe in Andy, which is finances. I was like, wow, what a belief system.

[Ben]

I know.

[Ronnie Caram]

That really seems. It really says a lot about you. My core beliefs, finances.

[Ben]

So then they break for commercial, and Vicki's basically dismissed. And she starts walking up the stage, and she is. She just starts to lose her mind.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, before she even leaves, he's like, you are nuts. She goes, I didn't interview for you, by the way. He's like, you did a tape. She goes, yeah, but I didn't even know it was gonna be a show. And he's like, it wasn't a show. That's why. She's like, don't forget what you came. Don't forget where you came from, Andy. Do not forget where you came from. You. And he's like, you don't forget where you come from. She's like, I will never. So then she goes off, and Shannon, who's just been upset that everybody calls her an alcoholic every season, is like, can we get some casamigos and soda up here?

[Ben]

Yeah. And everyone's, like, hugging Vicky bye. And then Emily, like, stands up.

[Ronnie Caram]

Who.

[Ben]

Emily, who just had a hip. Hip surgery and is. And is, like, limping. She's without her walker. She's like, can I get a hug, Vicki? And Vicky just denies her as Emily's, like, limping slowly off the stage. And Vicky will not hug her.

[Ronnie Caram]

She just completely ignores her. So Vicky gets to the producer guy, who's got just the look of a terrified prisoner. You know, he's. He just. He's got this smile on his face, but it's really tight and scary. And she's like, why am I going off the show? Why about going off the show, little producer person? Thankfully, you're not a lesbian, so I'm going to talk to you about this. Why. Why am I going off the show? And he's like, for the last segment, she goes, oh, like a lap dark. Lap dark. A little laptop.

[Ben]

Yeah. And then by the time she gets backstage, she's fully rammed, and she's like, they can all go themselves. You know, they can. All Them. They cheer, get the very end to do the cheers, and they. And then they take. They get me off. You know what? You know what? I said it.

[Ronnie Caram]

I said it this.

[Ben]

I said it this. Before you were there, okay? Before you. Before there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Before you were there. Before you were there. I'm no longer a friend of anyone. I'm more than a friend. We need to elevate this. It's called a disaster. I'm embarrassed. I Am embarrassed. And then she's pacing around her dressing room screaming at a producer and Steve, and her dress is half off, so it was like her Spanx. And then she sees that, of course the camera is standing right there at the half open door. And she sees the camera. She's like, really fuck off. Just fuck off. And then slams the door in the camera's face. And that's the last we see of Vicky.

[Ben]

That's the last of Victoria. So good. What a moment. What a way to end. Like, I almost thought, they can't hire her again because it's such a great way to be. Like, this is Vicky's final moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yep, this is how they did her. And she deserved every fucking second of it. Now here's the problem. Got really boring after this.

[Ben]

I know, I know. I mean, like, Vicky was at the heart of pretty much a lot of the major drama this season. So we'll see. So now, you know, at this point, even the, even the reunion writers are getting bored because they're not even coming up with good puns anymore. They're just going. All the women were opening up about their sex lives to each other and in some cases, with each other. You gotta check this out. I was like, you gotta check this out. What happened to our, like, really awful pun? That was sort of icky too. Where'd that go?

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, some people say, let's be off. These ladies say lesbian. So I just love that they do this because, you know, they're just doing it to piss Vicki off. You know, I just. It's like, let's kick off Vicky and then let's, you know, have fun with everything that she hated.

[Ben]

Why did they not have Vicki out for this segment? This is like the perfect thing to have her out there and be get so annoyed about.

[Ronnie Caram]

I think they get. It seems like they kept her there and on stage most of the day and then they just wanted to see her lose her. So they kicked her off early.

[Ben]

Yeah, probably so. So Andy's like, so, Bronwyn, what is it about Tamara that you find so attractive? And she's like, I don't know, she sort of looks like me. And you just know Tamara was like, cause I'm hot. I'm the hot housewife of Orange county batch. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

How did you decide to give your husband threesomes for his birthday? It's like, easier than shopping, Andy.

[Ben]

Okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's easier than shopping. Yeah. You can't just find a big statement necklace everywhere. Andy.

[Ben]

Okay, I know. Listen. That guy, only that guy in Kauai only makes like one necklace a year. Okay. You can't rush these things. You got to find other options during the rest. Rest of the time. So, so then Andy's asking about like, like, like, were you worried about the kids when this came out on tv? And she's like, no, actually I went and I sat down my older kids and I, I told them about it. And one, one of my, one of my kids said, I like the same sex too. So I really have to credit my illicit, wanton ways, according to Vicki, for making. Allowing my child to come out of the closet hero.

[Ronnie Caram]

Andy. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm a hero here.

[Ben]

I've written it on my chalkboard. Hero. And there's a little arrow if you'll notice. It's actually pointing directly to me. And next, what I've drew, I've drawn my concept for what the award I would give myself would look like.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she. So Kelly's like, oh, the kid who came out was Darcy, right? She's like, actually, I'm not gonna say the kid's name because that's their story to tell. Oh, alright. Well, whatever.

[Ben]

But it was the daughter with the curly hair, right? I'm not gonna say which, which one. Cause I'm just gonna. It wasn't the boy, right? Because I remember you specifically pointed at the girl and said, she's a big lesbo.

[Ronnie Caram]

Now.

[Ben]

Um, Kelly, that's not. No, no, Kelly, that's not. We're just gonna let her tell her own story.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we get Tamra. Tamara, not to be. Not to be upstaged. Tamara has done it bigger and better than Bronwyn. Tamara, let's see some unseen footage of you trying to one upstage Bronwyn with the bringing people into your marriage storyline.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So unseen footage. Here we go. Tamra has also had threesomes. I am shocked. I am completely shocked.

[Ben]

I should also mention, speaking of one upping that, when Bronwyn is talking about how she sat down her kids to tell them, Tamara on the side goes, I told Sophia about our kiss. I told Sophia. It's like, okay, Tamara, settle down. This isn't about you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Tamara cannot take this. She's going like, everything that Vicky is doing externally, Tamara is doing internally. Oh, 100% freaking out. So she's like, oh, yeah. But it wasn't just bringing someone in. It was actually three people. I know. Yeah. And Emily is questioning her. This is when they were in Miraval and Emily's questioning her. So it was three people. Did you plan it? Were they strippers? Where'd you meet them? Blah, blah, blah. And so we find out the story, which is that she was at a party and there were. It was a huge house, there were huge grounds, and they were all in the backyard. And Eddie and Tamara, you know, they were just having sex on the fake grass like any couple does. You know, you go to hide at a party and fucking somebody's backyard, and then before they knew it.

[Ben]

On the grass.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, on the fake grass, which is usually, like, for dog piss, which cracks me up. So she's having sex with Eddie on the lawn and some friends who just happen to be in the pool. Like, next thing we know, they're all laying next to us. Oh, wow.

[Ben]

Wow. Well, Bronwyn's like, I just want to point out that I did not say things like, next thing you know, there were a bunch of people around us. I took full responsibility for my Theresa. And I'd like to thank the Academy for giving me this award for bravery and threesomes. Thank you. Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

This Tamra is just such a garbage human. Like, I. I don't. When people come over to my house, I don't even like taking their plates for them. You know what I mean? Like, if I had to wipe up your body fluids after you left. Of course Tamara is that guest. Of course she is.

[Ben]

I. I also like that when we came out of the. The video, the unseen footage of Tamara telling Emily all about her threesome, that when it came out, when we came out of that, Shannon goes, huh. Well, that's a little more than what I heard, huh? That's called a gang bang. Which is her way of saying, I can't believe you tell Emily, of all people, about your threesome, your gang bang. Which is not to be confused with a gangster, which is what Kelly Dodd is. But you wouldn't tell me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Great. Real friendship.

[Ben]

Real friendship.

[Ronnie Caram]

So mad. And Tamara's like, well, you know, what are you gonna do? And Andy said, don't worry about it. You're a consenting adult. She's like, but everyone saw Eddie's wiener. And that was weird.

[Ben]

I know. I felt hard for those people, too. So then Kelly. Now it's time to talk about Kelly. Kelly is last man in her life, and she's got a round trip ticket to Mentown. Bond peak hours or off peak. It's like, Kelly, Metro North. And she's finally laying down the tracks with you. Happily ever after. And let's retire trainee Dims forever a choo. Choos to do that. Whoops. Did it again.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's rolling your eyes like now. She's just been laughing and cracking up. And she's like, I'm mad now. She's like, yeah, now is my segment where I'm gonna get mad again. I'm very mad.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then during her segment, Shannon whispers. She kind of mutters over to her. She's like, oh, well, you were gonna get married. Carolyn goes, I was not. Yes, you were. You said you were going to be married in six months. On camera. You said it. Well, I may not know about gang bangs, but I do know a relationship fail when I see one. Have fun.

[Ben]

I may have suffered a mild concussion on account of your violent ways because you are a gangster. But one thing that I don't suffer from is amnesia. And I remember that moment. Ha. Busted. There's case law to support that. What I say is true.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Kelly, we find out about her family, and she's like, well, you know, me and my mom are okay. She comes every other week. My brother was the one who put all those rumors out, you know, like the lies about everything, like saying that I threw my mother down the stairs. And Andy's like, oh, so that did come from your brother? She's like, yeah, it was hard. And then my mom took my brother's side because I kicked him out. But then she said she'll vouch for me. So he's like, oh, so you started talking to your mom again because your brother made up lies about you pushing her down the stairs? She's like, yeah. She's like, wow, that's actually kind of sweet.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

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[Ben]

Who would have thought that. That. That rumor would have brought you guys together? I'm sorry, Andy, if this is an attempt to take away my award for bravery and give it to Kelly's brother for starting that rumor, I will not stand for that. I will not. And I've taught my children not to stand for that. And that's. That is what I have brought to my family. Oh, did I just receive another award for myself?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Wow.

[Ben]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, Dr. Brian was flirting with the idea of moving in with Kelly, right? She goes, well, he wanted to, and he was the one who wanted it.

[Ben]

He moved upstairs.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like you mend housewives history. Just like a. A ten year housewife. Congratulations. So did you break up with him on Social? She. No. Did he break up with you on Social? She's like, no, I broke up with him.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah, that. Because basically she said that she went away with Ramona Singer. Okay. And that's when she met Rick. And then that was like in July. And I guess, I guess she just like, like felt it with Rick. And so she dumped Brian.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So, yeah, she basically went on Instagram stories or something. I'm not really sure. And then Brian wrote a thing on his Instagram, like, well, it was nice knowing you, Kelly, but I wish you the best.

[Ben]

They actually had, like, a remarkably clean, like, social media breakup. Like, they didn't talk about each other. She said like, oh, he's wonderful. Moving on. I was like, this was nice. So then Tamara's like, so Rick Leventhal, so he lives in New York. How's that gonna work, huh? Good luck with that storybook ending. She's like, well, maybe, I don't know, maybe I'll move to New York. You can't move to New York. What about Jolie? What about Zill? You can't take her out of the state. Michael won't let you. And then Tamara and Shannon are just basically smiling at this, like, dilemma that Kelly will have to face.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Kelly's like, well, we're going to work it out. Shank us. You can't. Hmm.

[Ben]

There's the case law. Case law, can't.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Andy just says, okay, well, I'm happy for you. And then Tamara gives a look to the camera like,

[Ben]

yeah. At some point, I think Andy asks, has anyone here met Rick Leventhal? And like, I think only like one person had like facetimed with him. And he goes, wow. I guess that means that I'm the only one who's met him. And he like, shakes. He does like a windshield wiper with his head. I'm like, okay, Andy, settle down, Settle down with your Rick Leventhal. Proctor Proximity bragging.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

So next segment. Hey guys, it's been awkward without someone to hate out here. Okay, Vicky, not talking about you, even though I am and it's on camera. I would like to welcome Shane. You know, while Shane was studying for the bar, he was also lowering the bar for unsupportive husbands. All right, let's bring Shane out.

[Ben]

Let's bring him out and let's try to save him from the train. Oh, can't help myself. Kelly had to throw in another idiom. Didn't even make sense. I was not even very interesting. I just said train, but I can't help myself.

[Ronnie Caram]

Let's throw mama from the shame. Sorry, that didn't even make sense. But it rhyme with train.

[Ben]

Come on, ride the Shane. Good.

[Ronnie Caram]

Ride it.

[Ben]

Oh, sorry. Just got in my head there, Kelly. I promise that'll be my last one.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Emily has just told everybody my biggest issue with Shane is like compassion, because I don't get that. And you know, I want to divorce him, but I want to put my kids first. And so the best thing for my kids is for me to try and work it out and to completely malign their father on national TV and really show what an asshole he is. You know, it's been great for our family, basically, Andy is what I'm saying.

[Ben]

Yeah, yeah. And apparently Gina on Watch Happens Live basically was insinuating, not so surprisingly, that the dysfunction in Emily and Chan's relationship is more of a two sided street or two way street. A two way street. Then you know, it appear. And so Emily was sort of, you know, hurt by that. And Gina goes, you know, it's like that time when you like accidentally texted your mother in law some things that weren't meant for her and then she read them and then wasn't speaking to you anymore. And Emily's like, oh, yeah, because I told you that in confidence, right? Oops, did I do that?

[Ronnie Caram]

What? Sorry. Which is hilarious. She's like, fuck you, Shane. God damn it. She's telling off Shane in a text, accidentally sends it to her mother. So Andy's like, well, this year you embraced your curves. It's just like, yeah, actually I gained 25 pounds. It's very important as women that we're proud of how we look. And then they cut to Shannon looking just so uncomfortable, like, oh, well, I suppose that I'm gonna be shamed for looking thin now, so thanks a lot.

[Ben]

Oh, you win some and you lose some. Or I guess in the case of Emily, you win some and you don't lose some. Oh, oh, I, I, I'm, I'm shaming now. Okay, sorry. I liked also, by the way, that in this segment about like embracing your curves and everything, when Emily said I gained 25 pounds, and he goes, wow, it's like, okay, it's not like she added a hundred pounds, 25 pounds. Yes, she added some, but that's like not out of the realm of like crazy weight gain.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, geez. So he's asking her, he's like, well, you know, right after you did that, that self empowering thing in Vegas, you got on the scale at Tamara's gym and you were diagnosed as obese. Like, yeah, okay, yes, but a diagnosis is like, come on now.

[Ben]

Well, I just heard from a mirror in your bedroom and I just got this report from a mirror in here bedroom. And the mirror, the mirror says, congratulations, you are officially hideous. What do you say to your mirror? It's like, Andy,

[Ronnie Caram]

that's so sensitive. This show, so sensitive. So she's like, well, I knew I'd gained weight because like my jeans, you know, your jeans don't fit and stuff like that. And you know Tamara, I just want to say publicly, you did not pressure me to get on the scale. I did it on my own. But when I saw that number, you know, I was embarrassed because Tamara's in such good shape. Okay, listen to your own advice. Like, stop. Stop with this. Like, you can't say, like, I'm gonna empower women. I mean, you can say it. I get. I get the conflict. You know, Like, I understand the weight problem stuff. But, like, in one sentence in the same segment, she's like, I think we should empower women to be proud. And then she's like, oh, I'm fat. Gain weight. You know, like, come on, listen to your own advice. Be proud. You're gorgeous.

[Ben]

We all know the best way to empower women is to remind them that if they bring in another woman into the bedroom, that that's something that you should be. That's like. That's something you do. Heroic. Yeah, it's heroic.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Tamara's like, but what did I say? Remember when I was there, I said that supportive thing? I said, don't cry now. At least you're doing something about it.

[Ben]

I said, hey, stop crying. Hold on. Wait for me to take a selfie, and then you can cry in the background of that. It'll be hilarious. Okay, now cry.

[Ronnie Caram]

Remember when I said, cry outside. Cause, at least, like, you'll be getting some sunshine. Get out of my gym, stupid. So Shanna's like, well, Emily, if this helps you, I was bigger than you before. I miraculously lost all of my weight and look amazing now. Are you guys supposed to be helping? And Gina's like, I mean, come on, I'm a little chubby right now. Who cares?

[Ben]

That was actually my way to remind the producers that I am actually the original, gained a lot of weight and then lost it storyline. So let's not, like, idolize her too much, because I went on a much more difficult journey. I'm just. Just saying. Just putting it out there.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it is really like, the new class coming in and taking the old classes, jobs. I mean, that's Shanna's last storyline. Bronwyn's storyline is totally a Tamra storyline. And her whole, like, being naked all the time, blah, blah, blah. And you can see their reactions the whole episode. I mean, Tamara and Shannon are so pissed every time anybody else talks.

[Ben]

So it's like, sipping from that invisible straw like crazy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So Andy's like, well, after talking about him all season long, it's only fair to give Shane a chance to air his side of the very Short person story. Shane, come on.

[Ben]

Shane, come on out here and sit next to your wife, who just had hip surgery, so I'm sure he'll be mindful of that. Oh, and you just sat on her newly replaced hip. Emily, how do you feel? Ah, I'm okay.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm okay. And Andy just gives a look to the camera like, jesus Christ, this guy. And as he comes out, Kelly's clapping. She's just, like, giving him applause, and nobody else does. Actually, that was Morse code for twerp.

[Ben]

Well, she thinks she's that Maury Povich or something. It's the father. That's the father. So Andy is like, well, in the pantheon of house husbands, you're pretty high up there in terms of husbands that people dislike. How does that make you feel?

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, well, I've accomplished something.

[Ben]

Well, I guess that's actually true. Can't. You can't take that away from him.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he's really doing his best to come off as the good guy here. You know, he comes out and he's like, you know, I'm. I'm just here to support Emily, you know, of course I support. Support Emily. And. And he's like, but, you know, to someone, let's. Okay, what would you say to people who would say, for example, you're a total dick? She's like, well, I can be. But, you know, I would say to them, we film hours and hours for months at a time, and there's more to it, you know, and then there's. There's, like, snippets where I joke. Like, of course, the bread. You know, she was laughing when I was trying to make her eat bread while she was on a diet. I mean, she thought that was hilarious.

[Ben]

And, yeah, she was laughing so hard, she had tears coming down her. Her cheeks. I mean, just like, tons of tears. And, you know, it's funny, when she laughed, she actually frowns a lot. She basically was, like, frowning in tears and her chest was heaving. She was laughing so hard.

[Ronnie Caram]

What's so funny is she was laughing so hard. You know, they didn't get this on camera, but, like, pieces of bread were actually hitting me in the face as they flew out of her mouth. That's how hard she was laughing at.

[Ben]

People don't realize this. This is, like hours and hours and hours. And then, you know, you get one snippet where you're being a dick, and that's. They put up there. And what. What you don't see are all the hours where you're being so much More of a dick. It's actually unfair that people don't really realize the depths of my. Of me being a dick.

[Ronnie Caram]

But, you know, come on. I mean, maybe it was just the taunting after she got on the scale and was diagnosed to be obese. And he's like, well, I don't see her as obese, Andy. You know, I tell her, love yourself, and she's beautiful. I've never commented on her weight, which. Good answer. I mean, he's doing. He's.

[Ben]

I mean, he didn't fall into the, like, he didn't fall into any traps there. He was like. I've always thought Emily was beautiful, even when she was nagging me and trying to me make me look dumb on camera, not doing things like leaving me alone while I studied for the bar. So that's. We should probably mention that I failed because of her, right? Can we mention that? But she is beautiful. She has a beautiful, beautiful distraction.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Andy, Andy asked Bronwyn, what would you do if Sean spoke to you the way Shane speaks to Emily? And she's like, well, Andy, I would grab the blonde girl that I brought over for his birthday, turn her to him and say, yell at her, okay, I'm not here for this.

[Ben]

And then I would go and tell my children what I did. And I said the way that that man was talking to me was unacceptable. And I brought a basket of bread for all of us to eat because all of us deserve it. And it's about time that we got back to having bread as a family. Thank you again and good night, everyone. Good night. I thank you for this award.

[Ronnie Caram]

So what do you think about that burlesque thing that Emily did? You know, she was dancing for you. And he's like, well, when I first heard about it, I was flattered. But then I found it's gonna be part of the filming and the cameras are gonna be there. So it took on a different. What the fuck did you think it was gonna be? It was at the. It was at the Jackie Siegel Casino, and it was a show. You think that anybody without a TV show can just be like, hey, I'm gonna guest star in your burlesque show?

[Ben]

Yeah. Do you think anyone would even want to do that? I mean, like, it is the most producer driven thing that anyone could have even imagined. Did you really think Emily just up and decided one day that she was gonna turn to Ann ranking okay from an office off vague. Off Strip Casino? No.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he goes, I just, you know, I. I needed to step back, Andy. I wasn't comfortable in that ambiance. What the are you even saying right now? I know.

[Ben]

So he is. So. So what do you love about Emily? I mean, what isn't there to love? She's smart. She's beautiful. She helps me with my two older children, which is cool. She calls me up when I'm in the middle of studying, which is great. It's a great way to get my mind off of all that important stuff I need to know to pass the bar. Love that. Love that about her.

[Ronnie Caram]

Wow.

[Ben]

She's great.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Shannon's. He's. He's talking about how Shannon or not Shannon, I'm sorry. How Emily helped in the marriage when they first got together. He has two older kids and she really helped him learn to be a father and a husband. And he's trying to give like a serious, like, say how. How much she's helped him. Like, he's giving a good answer, right?

[Ben]

He's being nice.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

He's actually.

[Ben]

Was he actually. I actually, believe it or not, I actually think he did very well during his segments.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he did a good job. He's. He's had very good coaching. He's had like scandal coaching, you know, And Shannon's like, oh, well, I just want to say, Shane, I only met you one time. And I'm shocked, right. I am just shocked because I wish that Emily had told us some of these things, these wonderful things instead of all those terrible things she says about terrible, terrible things.

[Ben]

Just finding a way to pile on. And of course, Tamra just smells blood in the water and she goes, yeah, you showed us. You shed a lot of things in your interviews that was not so nice about your mouth. You didn't even talk about the good stuff in your interviews. I'm like, okay, like Tamara acting as if she doesn't know what. How like a TV show is put together. Come on. Just trying to like draw like a wedge between Emily and Shane.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And they're so heavy handed and they're so like, blame the woman too, you know, which is so them. It's so those two. So Emily's like, well, you know, it was bad. So I was talking about the bad stuff. And he's like, so basically you guys are saying that she's just playing the victim on tv and they just like, look at him like, yeah, pretty much. And she was like, well, yeah, I do think that you're one sided and I'm in your corner, but I do think it's hard for you, you know, because, like, you present yourselves as you are if you're not presenting it as you are. Look who's talking, Gina. Yeah, you know, like, I know you've gone through a rough time, but you lied your entire first season. Like, shut up, Gina.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Quiet.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right?

[Ben]

Or maybe not so much of being lied, but was just, like, this was not honest with the reality of our situation with either herself or her castmates, which is probably more realistic. No, no. Well, that's different than. I feel like lying is a little bit more of a malicious thing. I think it's. I think it's. I think it's possible to not put. Not to not be honest about a situation because you're not ready to come to terms with it, which is maybe more realistic to what's going on with Emily. I mean, who knows? So what are the things? Oh, so. So Kelly apparently went to Cabo with Shane, and Emily with, like, I'm assuming, Brian, and she saw us. Another side, you see Another side of Emily and Cabo. She's like, yeah, there's a saunter. She'll lash out. She'll be, like, very upset. She can't compartmentalize. Like, you say, you're such a dork, and she doesn't know how to respond to that. It's weird.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Emily's like, yeah, she said it was a bitch because. Yeah, I said, you're a bitch and you're mean. You're being mean to Shane. And he goes, so, are you guys happy now in your marriage? And she's like, yeah, I mean, we made a list of stuff, and, like, we both wrote down a list, and then we made a mission statement.

[Ben]

Yeah. Remember that scene in Jerry Maguire in the very beginning when Jerry Maguire, like, is like, oh, my God. And then runs to Kinko's late at night, and it's like, here's my mission statement. That's sort of like what I did with Shane, except I wrote it on loose leaf paper and just sort of taped it to the back of the refrigerator.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Addie's like, what?

[Ben]

That refrigerator joke was not supposed to be. If that was supposed. By the way, that refrigerator joke was not an obesity joke, by the way. I just realized as I said it sound that way. I was not making. I was not making a fat shaming joke about the refrigerator. I just, like, said refrigerator because it was, like, a thing that I imagine people tape things to. Okay, I just want to clarify it right away. It's not fat shaming.

[Ronnie Caram]

And he's like, okay, great, Shane. Thanks a lot for being such a, you know, bag of Dicks. Okay, get out. I guess you don't have horns coming out of your head. He's like, well, I don't have. I don't have angel wings either. And he's like, well, that we've established. And then Shane just looks furious. He's like, bye.

[Ben]

He stomps his foot on the ground so hard he just like wedges himself into the floor of the reunion. Rumpelstilts can reference about this.

[Ronnie Caram]

What do you think about this stuff with. With Shane? Them accusing Gina of just making Shane look bad.

[Ben]

Emily, you mean?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. And then her.

[Ben]

I mean, I think, you know, I think that in any, in any situation there's. There's always going to be a lot of ambiguity, right? It's like it's my. It's my. It's like it's my truth, his truth and then the truth.

[Ronnie Caram]

Right?

[Ben]

But I mean, yeah, there's probably, like. There's probably some instigation that Emily contributes to, but as far as I can tell, like, I. I understand. I understand how reality TV works. I know that there's editing. I know that, like, there's probably like great sides of Shane, you know, that are super awesome. But the truth is what we saw is what we saw. And like, like, everyone is allowed to be grouchy. Everyone's allowed to have dick moments. But like, if those are your dick moments, dude, you gotta like work on your dick.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, he's terrible. He's terrible. I mean, they can edit you all they want, but you're still a. Talks to your wife like that. My God.

[Ben]

Yeah. So I. I feel like I don't. I can't talk about what Emily could possibly be like or even what he could possibly be like. I take it back. We're podcasters. Of course we can talk about that stuff. But the truth is we see what he is like on camera and

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[Ben]

just seems like a dick.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought it was funny at one point where he's like, oh, no one sees this side of Emily. I was like, really? Last year she was like crawling over people, trying to murder Kelly, you know, like threatening to kill somebody. Yeah, we have seen it. And you're still an asshole, Shane.

[Ben]

Yeah, not only have we seen it, we actually like it. So that's. That's gonna be a problem for you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then we get to the most depressing part, which is the Gina segment, which. What a way to end a reunion, guys. Thanks a lot. I know.

[Ben]

What a way to end a year. It was actually pretty riveting. She was talking about it and like, you know, she's right now Gina has a new boyfriend named Travis that she met through Shay, her human makeup chick. Yet we're up to Shay. And you know, basically Andy starts asking about what happened the famous night, June 22, which is like about a month after filming wrapped. And that's when Matt was arrested for domestic violence. And then you could. Then you hear like, Andy clearly had to like insert in the Bravo. I should say, had to insert an. Andy is saying in post production, Math denies all these allegations. And yeah, so here's a statement from his lawyer.

[Ronnie Caram]

The events that happened were unfortunate. I was like, okay, Lemony Snicket, way to just like, just gloss that one over.

[Ben]

Yeah, exactly. So the long and the short of it, according to Gina, was that they, they had some sort of argument in the morning, which apparently was really bad. And then they. But they had plans to go out that night, so he apologized that way they could like go out. And then they went out and he was awesome and everything was great. But then they were also drinking and when they were Ubering home, he got angry and was kicked out of the Uber. To me already at that point, I'm like, what did you do that caused you to get kicked out of an Uber because you were so angry?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, this guy sounds like a real fucking prince.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she goes home in the Uber and he called her and said, I can't order an Uber because you're. You have my Uber because I ordered that from my phone. So then she goes to bed thinking, okay, well I'm home now, so he can get an Uber. But then his phone died. Then he was so mad because he had to walk home. By the time he got home, he was infuriated and he got up to the second, you know, level and was in a rage. And then she ran out of there and was like knocking on neighbors doors and he dragged her back into the house. I mean, Jesus.

[Ben]

Yeah, it was, it's really, really bad. And I kind of felt bad for, for Gina because she was saying, well, you know, he's walking and walking because. Well, I mean, I felt bad for obviously for many reasons. It's a given, but I felt bad that she had to, that she was up there on this reunion saying, you know, then he's walking and he's like, like it's going over in his head over and over and over again. He's like working his way up. I, I felt bad that she felt that she had to like rationalize why he got angry enough to do everything that he did. Like, he's a dick. That's why he did it. You don't have to say, oh, well, because she was walking, it almost means, like, it almost sounds like she's taking a little bit of that responsibility off his shoulders. So when she said that, I was like, no, Gina, no. Like, you don't have to say. He was getting angrier and angrier. It's. It's. You can say he is a dick with real issues, but, I mean, you know, so. So basically, she. Matt, is facing a potentially seven years in jail, and Tamara goes, wow. And in the middle of this very serious moment, Kelly just looks at Tamara, goes, hug her, Tamra.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hug her. Yeah. Because Tamara was like, so he's gonna go to jail. Like, he could go to prison. And Emily's like, I mean, Gina's like, yeah, he could face seven years. And Tamara's like, wow. Yeah.

[Ben]

Tamara's pretending to show empathy but not actually doing it. That's why Kelly's like, just hug her, damn it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, down the stairs. Jeez.

[Ben]

But there's a pillow that's in front of us. I can't. And then she, like, puts, like, her arms over as if, like, they're. They're, like, separated by, like, a. Like a gulf. It's like, Tamra, you can hug someone with a pillow that's in between you guys. It's like, the most. Of all the items that could get caught in between two people in a hug, a pillow is the best thing.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Well, the good thing about all of this is that she is out of that, thank God, and she's with, you know, someone new who's treating her well. And geez, good for you, girl. Because that's. Yeah, I'm really.

[Ben]

Yeah, I'm really happy that she's moved on, and that's a terrible thing to go through.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm.

[Ben]

I'm happy she did not get caught in any sort of cycle. It was really hard watching the season sometimes because we had seen that this happened in the. In the news. And a lot of times when we'd be recapping episodes, we would allude to it because it would make us uncomfortable to hear Gina saying things like, we're going to try to really work it out. We decided, yeah, Matt's totally changed. Totally changed. And, like, on the one hand, we would laugh because it was so naive of her. Of course, he hasn't changed. Change. But on the other hand, was also like, we knew. We knew what this was leading to, and that was like, oh, Gino, Gino. But you know what? Hopefully it's in the rear view mirror.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So they do a new kind of ending, which Andy struggles with explaining. He's like, well, we've got bowls, so we're gonna have a flower, and then you're gonna put a flower on the bowl, and then you're gonna talk about another flower, because you aren't gonna have two flowers. So then you get two flowers, and then you have a bowl, Then you hit the. The bowl. I was like, what?

[Ben]

This was. This was an awkwardly executed segment. Hopefully one that will be retired soon.

[Ronnie Caram]

So I don't need to hear bulls dong. Okay. It's almost like evidence for Shannon's mounting case. Mounting a case against Kelly. I'm like, that is annoying. My brain is bleeding at this point.

[Ben]

Yeah. So the women have to let go of one thing and invite something into their life and throw rose petals and reach one. So Kelly starts it off. Off with letting go of negativity. And she's like, I'm bringing in. Well, I already got targeted Walmart. And they just show Shannon scowling. Oh, she's making a joke of this too, I guess. Just. Just fine. I won't even comment on it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Sputtering mad over there. Hilarious. Oh, and I want to bring in Rick Levator. And she bungs the thing and laughs. And Shannon's like, well, that was a light mallet, so imagine what a heavy one felt like.

[Ben]

I mean, yeah. I mean, you saw right there that that bowl just got a concussion itself. So, you know, just imagine my head. That's all. Emily.

[Ronnie Caram]

I just want to let. I want to let go of her. And anything that I felt. Were we kidding, Gina? I want to let go of things. You know, I hated that. But I like her again, and I hope for a new beginning with me and Gina.

[Ben]

And of course, Emily is the person to hit the ball while sitting on her laps. It just goes like this blink. Of course, Emily has, like, a dull fud. Of a reverberation. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Brahm would take it, and she takes it, and she's like, I'm letting go of caring what everybody thinks, and I'm bringing in badass Bronwyn hero.

[Ben]

You just come out. Dr. Deb is watching that at home, like, oh, I'd like to see that. Badass Bronwyn. Really would like to see that.

[Ronnie Caram]

How about.

[Ben]

How about. How about thanking her mother for all the opportunities that she provided for her Bronwyn? How about that type of Bronwyn?

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Gina's like, I love you, Emily. I. I'VE actually had a heavy year, and I let go of stuff already, so I'm, you know, I'm gonna. I'm gonna let go of risky beauty choices. I was like, when is that gonna start?

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah, I haven't seen that tomorrow. I think we need to invite her into a calendar. That's what we need to invite in the calendar.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Tamara's like, I'm betting got this lapse. It's like, oh, God, again. Like, how many times are we gonna have to see the vagina tightening story? Come on. It's like, literally already been done this season.

[Ben]

And then, because it's like the very end of the reunion, Tamra is like, wait a second. There's one last chance for me to be dramatic. And she goes, and I'm bringing in health and wellness from my. For my. For my family. She starts choking up. I'm like, this is truly the most generic wish for a family. I'm not saying it's a bad one, but, like, you're gonna choke up by saying, I wish you health and wellness.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, she's saying for depressed Ryan, who's, you know, the guy who, you know, wants to kill trans people. Like, oh, like, let's feel for your son again, Tamara the monster. You're a jackass. Thanks for cementing that, Ronnie.

[Ben]

He never had a shot in life.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, God. Poor guy. It's like, he didn't get to keep all that money he was raised with.

[Ben]

He's just a straight white male who spent a good chunk of his life in a McMansion with his mom. That's all really rough.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Shannon's like, well, I'm gonna let go of my past. It's gonna be hard to let go of that Target Walmart comment. But I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna bring in continued happiness and growth for my family and my new person and his family, who live in the same state as me. I'm like, kelly, die.

[Ben]

One thing I won't be letting go of will be Sophie's college tuition, because it's already been taken by Jim Bellino. Four years taken away.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Annie's like, wow, you know, coming here today, I thought we weren't going to accomplish anything. And safe to say we've accomplished nothing, because a Housewives reunion. What do you expect us to do over here? Okay? We're not building the city, idiots.

[Ben]

Yeah. And he goes, well, we thought we would toast with wheat grass. And then you see Shannon. Basically, Shannon's face like, oh. Oh, God. Oh, God. It's all happening. Do I want wheat grass? No, no, no. But we decided to go tequila instead. Oh, Andy Cohen. Wow. Really got my like that time Fun Shannon is ready to go.

[Ronnie Caram]

And then Bronwyn does the new girl thing when the new girls always steal the toast. I love that she's like, I'll toast to sisterhood. And Tamara's like, to season 14. May we never relive.

[Ben]

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