#3482 McBee Dynasty S03E07: Digging a Tallow Grave

Summary

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Episode #3482: "McBee Dynasty S03E07: Digging a Tallow Grave"

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Original air date: July 29, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Watch What Crappens sees Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam recapping and dissecting McBee Dynasty S03E07, as the ongoing saga of the McBee family farm veers into exasperating new business squabbles, heartstring-tugging family drama, and the hottest topic in rural Missouri: tallow. The hosts both mock and analyze the episode’s strange power dynamics, ill-fated business meetings, and personal relationships that get increasingly interwoven and fraught. As always, their recaps blend humor, genuine disbelief at the cast’s behavior, and pointed observations about Bravo’s storytelling choices.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of the McBee Family: Post-Prison Blues (01:54–09:54)

• Dad in Prison: The episode picks up with the family adjusting to patriarch Steve Sr.’s departure to prison. The mood is dour and “robotic,” with Christy, the matriarch, striving to contain both her own and her sons’ anxiety.
• Perpetual Pessimism: Ben and Ronnie poke fun at the family’s doom-and-gloom attitudes despite their material comfort—snowballing the running gag that two years without “daddy” isn’t such a tragedy.

  "I mean, you know, people won't see their daddy for 30 years. So let's relax then, Christy." —Ben (04:51)

• Tallow Drama: Tallow (rendered beef fat) as a business continues to be "controversial," both in the show and humorously in Westeros:

  "We all love a tallow drama." —Ben (02:41)

• Christy’s Coping: The iced latte becomes a visual shorthand for her coping mechanisms, referenced frequently and amplified for comic effect.

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2. Relationship Woes and Business Blurring: Alliances, Tempers, and Jealousy (07:06–15:01; 20:48–44:27)

• Casey & Ally’s Conversation: The sisters-in-law discuss acceptance, family pressure, and possibly joining the tallow business. Ally expresses that she wants clear verbal approval before major decisions:

  "I told them, like, I would never do that again... I have to, like, verbally hear, 'We’re giving you the go. We see this for you.' ...It’s a big deal for me." —Casey (07:35)

• Rumors of Stephen’s Temper: The hosts and cast alike muse on Stephen Jr.’s temperament. Ronnie dryly notes:

  "I don’t like bad tempers. That’s not God." —Ronnie (10:33)

• Business Meeting Tension: A tallow business meeting between Stephen, Casey, Cole, and Ally exposes deepening resentments, with Casey bristling at Stephen’s condescension.

  "He talks down to me every single time." —Casey (26:32)

• Ownership Stakes & Pay: Debate arises over Ally’s proposed cut of the business and whether influencer marketing merits real equity rather than just commission. Ben and Ronnie sharply observe the lack of normal business sense:

  "People...it’s reasonable they don’t get ownership stakes. They get salary, commission...It’s just ridiculous." —Ben (29:26)

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3. “Inappropriate Relationship” Bombshell (60:50–66:56)

• The episode suddenly reveals that Jesse’s wife, Ally McBee, has been spreading rumors that Stephen and Casey have an "inappropriate relationship," creating simmering suspicion within the family.

  “A couple months ago, Ally McBee...was going around telling people that Casey and I had an inappropriate relationship. And it’s weird that Cole needs to keep his eye on us.” —Stephen Jr. (61:03) “If this is all true...I don’t think the natural response is just, I’m never going to speak to Casey again.” —Ronnie (64:42)

• The hosts are incredulous that Bravo buried this genuine drama until now, critiquing the missed opportunity for meaningful stakes:

  “...They just decided to throw in this thing...We could have had a very interesting personal dynamic going on throughout the whole season...the McBee dynasty is not in the right hands as a TV show.” —Ben (64:54)

• Further, Casey and Stephen both deny anything improper, but their discomfort and lack of direct communication only add to the tension and confusion.

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4. Vegas and Cowboy Christmas: Optics & Escapism (32:27–44:39)

• NFR (National Finals Rodeo) Plans: The family plans to attend the Cowboy Christmas event in Vegas, ostensibly to promote the car wash/tallow business, providing much comic fodder.

  “What everybody wants from their local car wash. A party. A weekly cocktail party at the car wash.” —Ronnie (15:01)

• Jesse’s Reluctance: Jesse frets over “optics” after his father’s incarceration, resisting both the trip and his wife’s attempts to rekindle their relationship.

  “Las Vegas was built by either men in prison or men whose fathers are in prison. This is the most appropriate place to go.” —Ronnie as Christy (48:53)

• Postpartum & Relationship Drift: Ally articulates disillusionment with her marriage, hinting at deeper marital and postpartum struggles masked by the family’s business distractions.

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5. Business Confusion: Tallow Ownership Math, Commission vs. Equity (24:17–32:12; 27:33–31:26)

• Endless Ownership Reshuffles: The allocation of tallow business equity incites confusion and sows more division, with percentages shifting throughout the discussion—sometimes even working against the person seeking support.

  “You had your man come in here to sit with you and bargain a deal, he's lowered your percentage, and now you don't get any money at all? What the fuck kind of partner is that?” —Ronnie (32:12)

• Ben derides the group’s lack of professional structure and its impact on Casey, who ends up with less credit (and payout) than she feels she deserves.
• Influencer Realities: Ally’s influencer status is debated vis-à-vis her potential contribution and fair compensation to the tallow business.

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6. Quotes & Signature Moments

Hilarious or pointed asides:

• On the tallow business meeting:
  "It's like watching a bunch of bowling pins trying to hammer out a deal. Like, I'm just waiting for that ball to come down the alley and clear it out." —Ben (32:14)
• On Casey and Stephen’s working relationship:
  "You're dealing with Stephen Jr. He's so condescending. The last time they had a conversation, he was a total dick to her." —Ben (23:31)
• On optics:
  "You just shot a scene taking your dad to prison. So Vegas is pretty small compared to that." —Ronnie (36:58)

Timestamped Standout Exchanges

• Tallow logic, or lack thereof (24:17–26:05)
  • Casey: "If we're expected to help, 100% of the profit shouldn't be funneling to you."
  • Ronnie: "You haven't even stopped by to look at it."
• Ally on business sense (27:33–29:26)
  • Ally: "My normal commission is 20% on 10,000 posts. So yeah, there's no way."
  • Ben: “People who do work for companies...there’s other ways to incentivize someone...It’s just ridiculous.”
• Bombshell dropped (60:50–61:03)
  • Stephen Jr.: “...a couple months ago, Ally McBee...was going around telling people that Casey and I had an inappropriate relationship.”
• Hosts' critique of storytelling mishap (64:54)
  • Ben: “This could have given us a way in to think about...their relationships...the fact they just didn’t do anything with it all this time...McBee dynasty is not in the right hands as a TV show.”

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Notable Segments (Timestamps)

• 03:24 – 06:32: Christy and the sons process Steve Sr. going to prison; insights on McBee coping rituals.
• 09:54 – 12:11: Girls’ RV talk about Texas, family approval, and Stephen’s reputation.
• 20:48 – 32:14: The infamous tallow business meeting and fallout.
• 36:27 – 44:50: Vegas trip optics, Jesse’s reluctance, and Ally/Casey’s marital laments.
• 51:00 – 66:56: The inappropriate relationship rumor emerges, discussed by both cast and hosts.

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Analysis & Takeaways

Ben & Ronnie’s Recap Tone:
Wickedly irreverent, skeptical, and always focused on how Bravo’s editing choices distort (or truncate) organic drama. They root for the show to “get better” but take great comedic joy in questioning the cast’s intelligence, decisions, and performative farm-family ethics.

Main Themes:

• The blurred line between business and family, and how this amps up both drama and dysfunction.
• The gap between what makes compelling television and what the McBees actually deliver.
• The importance of narrative structure in reality TV—drama, when buried, loses its impact.

Final Words:
The episode closes with Ben and Ronnie expressing disbelief at the mid-to-late season reveal of the Casey/Stephen rumor—the kind of organic tension that could have made the show more absorbing. Instead, it’s left for a sudden, awkward cliffhanger as the family heads to Vegas.

“It is fishy and it is strange. And we’ll be taking all of these question marks with us to Vegas next week when they go to Cowboy Christmas.” —Ben (67:17)

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For listeners seeking the essence of this episode: expect sharp, playful mockery of rural melodrama; high-key skepticism toward Bravo’s narrative sense; and plenty of quotable lines about tallow, tempers, and terrible business deals.

Transcript

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[Ben Mandelker]

Hello and welcome to Watch what Crap Ends, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker.

[Stephen Jr.]

Thank you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Joining me here on the old farm is Mr. Ronnie Karam. How are you, Ronnie?

[Casey McBee]

Good.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's going on with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Brain trust. Wow. That tallow, it's very.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hello.

[Casey McBee]

Very, very controversial business talent.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's hot, hot business, y'. All. We all love a tallow drama. And as noted on the get on the house, the dragon recap is that tallow made an appearance even there in Westeros because there's a tallow shortage.

[Ronnie Karam]

And yeah, one of the poor people was like, we need more tallow for the candles. There's no tallow for the torches. Where's the tallow? And Rainiera the queen was like, you

[Casey McBee]

are the most pessimistic person when it comes to tallow. And I'm sorry that Casey has everything in her Hope Fred. She needs help. And this is why we should all vote to give my girlfriend a 5 minutes 20% of this company.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So the we. We are catching up with this family. They are still in their rv. They just dropped off dad and they just dropped him off in prison and they're going through the streets and Steve

[Stephen Jr.]

jr. Is like, you know, guys, don't worry. There'll be better days ahead. Days of waking up at 4am and journaling. Days of coming up with memberships in the afternoon. Days of journaling at. At that. Also days of sending our kids off to the private school of their choice.

[Ben Mandelker]

Of our choice, I should say.

[Stephen Jr.]

God damn it, who would have put that idea in my. The kids get a choice anyway. Better days ahead. And this is the final step. Don't you worry.

[Ronnie Karam]

And Christy, the mom zoned out kind of robot eyed mom. It's just like, don't worry.

[Casey McBee]

Now the countdown begins.

[Ronnie Karam]

What's that mean? Waiting for Daddy to get out, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it's the. For daddy to come out. But like why do you care? Why do you care, Christy?

[Ronnie Karam]

Chris, she's crying and stuff. She's. She's really upset over Steve Senior lately. I mean she really forgave. Talk about forgiving her relationship. Good God. Christy really did. So she asked the boys how they're

[Ally McBee]

feeling and Cole's like, well, you know, it feels weird because I feel like we talked about this all last year. Like we prepared for it and like anything in our business is. But now that it's happened, it's like we talked about that going to jail and then dad went to jail. It's crazy.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's a real cause and effect kind of guy. So yeah, he's all sad. He's like, I won't be able to see my daddy for two years. I'm like, you know, people won't see their daddy for 30 years. So let's relax then, Christy.

[Casey McBee]

It's just weird because whenever we're going through something tough or, or something sad or we're just looking for the perfectly sized blonde woman to send our future kid to membership school with, we call Daddy. That's what we call now. We can't call Daddy. Let's just collect. I think that only works reverse. Do you call prisons collect? I don't even know how to call Daddy me.

[Stephen Jr.]

We definitely need some sort of voice of reason and some advice.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Chrissy's like, well, I'm here to help any way I Can. Assuming that the advice you need is how big of an ice latte you can order from a coffee shop? The answer is very big.

[Ronnie Karam]

She got a huge one today. I'm sure you noticed it, but I was thinking of you.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was.

[Ronnie Karam]

I thought, this is like a shout out to Ben. They even did a closeup. She was talking, and then the camera panned down and gave a nice, full close up to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

They. Really huge. Huge. It was like a log. It was like a log.

[Ronnie Karam]

It was as big as her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Put some. Put some corn straw on the top of her head, and it would. It would look like Christy with the spray tan.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, she could have held. She could have cradled that drink in her arms and become a cast member of Twin Peaks. So Christie's like, it's hitting me that

[Stephen Jr.]

I'm the only parent, and I know that they're adults, but I think they're just so buried with everything going on. I just want them to have fun again because boys will be boss and, you know, life will get better. My poor, poor boys going. Suffering so much in life.

[Ben Mandelker]

We've spent the entire season watching these guys mope about having to sell hq. Selling off a combine. Gotta sell off some soybeans. Meanwhile, they're sitting there, they have enormous houses. They have city condos. They go off to Vegas, and we're supposed to feel bad for these guys that, like, oh, no, things are tough right now. Please give me a break.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, at least your cars are clean. So she's like, it's hitting me that

[Casey McBee]

I'm the only parent, and I know they're adults, but I worry for my boys. You know, life is gonna get better. Things are gonna get better. I love you, boys.

[Ronnie Karam]

They're all like, we're gonna get through this. So then the girls, Casey and Ally, are like, ally, do you want to

[Casey McBee]

go back to the RV and have a discussion?

[Ronnie Karam]

So they go back and they're asking about Texas and Stephen meeting the family, and. And she's like. I mean, it's just, like, so much pressure. Cause, like, I thought my dad was gonna, like, give me his blessing, but, like, my dad didn't even say anything. Like, literally nothing.

[Ben Mandelker]

Um, that's. Yeah. And so she's like, yeah. My dad always is like, if you have to ask, that's your answer. And it took me, like, a long time to figure that out. And I'd be like, what do you mean by that? And he's like, did you not hear what I just said? If you have to ask, you have to You. That's your answer. I'm like, but, Dad, I need to ask about you asking about the answer. And anyway, this went on for 20 years, and I think I understand it now. And, like, that's always been his thing, is that he didn't say any. And my family's the most important thing to me, and I've messed it up in the past. And maybe, like, being with people that they didn't approve of, like, I told them, like, I would never do that again. And, like, I have to, like, verbally here. We're giving you the go. We see this for you, and I pledge allegiance to the United States of America. I need to hear that. Okay. And we'd love this for you. It's a big deal for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Ali's like, well, you know, like,

[Casey McBee]

yeah, that sounds really right.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's. It's tough having two alleys, so influencer alley.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's when they have so much personality.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God.

[Ally McBee]

I know.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay, so she's like, yeah, obviously, like, I don't know you guys very well. Like, and obviously, when you start dating, you know, like, they say you don't even know someone until six months. I mean, like, I was shocked, like, how everybody's saying that Steven gets mad all the time or that he has a temper. That's, like, crazy to me. Like, I haven't even seen that. So, like, how many months in do you need to be to get that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, thankfully, it's not documented anywhere on television. So Casey's like, yeah, well, I'm sure Stephen told you, but him and I have been having a few conversations about the Tallow business, and I know he wants to bring himself and you into that. And Ali's like, oh, yeah, that's what. That's what I told Steven, too. I was like, I know there's been conversations around it. And I'm like, I don't know what you Like, Like, I've said this to him candidly. I was like, I don't know. Like, if Casey needs my help, I mean, like, I want to help. I told you that I want to help. I don't know if you need my help.

[Ally McBee]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's playing it very much like. I mean, like, Stephen, I told her, like, I'd help, but, like, you know, like, he wants me to have ownership. And she's probably thinking, who's this chick who's asking for ownership? Like, I was not part of these conversations. Okay? Like, I mean, Casey's probably really confused, so I'm going to clear it up by confusing her some more. Not that it's that hard to do, because it is Casey, you know, so Casey's like, well, you know, it's hard

[Casey McBee]

because Steven really does have a temper.

[Ronnie Karam]

And so we see a montage of Steve Jr. Just being like, God damn it, Cole.

[Casey McBee]

After you sign a lease on soybeans without discuss.

[Stephen Jr.]

Me.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, He's a great guy, in case. He's like, he's scary when he's mad. And Ally's like, well, what scares you about him? He's just scary. It's like an explosion. Like, everything's kind of like Steven's where, like, knowing. And I just, like, I don't know how to use my voice, so I'll just use it slowly. And like, he says he's listening to me and stuff, but I feel like he's not. And, like, I just think we should, like, sit and, like, talk.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So it's like, yeah, we show. Because, like, I don't like bad tempers. That's not God. And so Casey's very intimidated. And, you know, she thinks that they would get further with a meeting. That's the couples, not just Casey and Stephen, but we'll have Cole, who, by the way, never does anything to stand up for Casey. So I don't know why she's calling Cole, because all Cole is going to do is agree with Stephen and just word it in a way that's different. And then Ally. So now they're going to have a couple's meeting about it.

[Casey McBee]

So let's go over to McMees Coffee and Car Wash. You get free coffees

[Ronnie Karam]

with the car wash.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So Galena's at her desk and she's wearing green. The Carlo of money. And Jesse, the boys come in, or Cole and Jesse come in and, you know, he. Jesse has a baby, has the summer in his arms. And so Glenn's like, oh, baby, baby, this is nice. And Cole's like, well, now that my dad is officially gone and not working here, we got to figure out how to redistribute that responsibility and make sure everything's getting done done. I was like, okay, you. You guys seem like you're really on top of that now in this entire episode. And when you go to Vegas next

[Ronnie Karam]

week, also, Cole and Jesse are such wussies. So you. You remember that just last week you guys were coming in here telling Galena she needs to stop going out of town, and she's a do nothing, good for nothing. And now you're coming in here like,

[Ally McBee]

Kalina, what Do we need to do.

[Casey McBee]

Of course.

[Stephen Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Before they go out of town.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, before they go out of town.

[Ben Mandelker]

Exactly.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Galena's like, well, I feel like it was always Steven, Steven, Steven. You know what I mean? Like, hit me in face with football. Am I right? Am I right? Brady Bunch? So he is gone now. And now we all know Stephen is traveling to Austin more often. I'm just talking a lot of Stevens in same place. You try to keep up with sentence. And I like that Galena is immediately getting revenge with her. Oh, and you know Stephen Jr. Never here now. Always in Austin.

[Casey McBee]

Oh,

[Ben Mandelker]

yeah. So then Ally appears out of nowhere. Non influencer Ali. I like to call this one Charisma Alley. And she's like, oh, I'm here. I just gotta get the baby. Okay, when did.

[Stephen Jr.]

When.

[Ben Mandelker]

When did Summer eat? And Jess is like, oh, you don't know when Summer eat, It's like, oh, okay, I'm gonna go. So then Galena's like, well, so I know you guys just got back from trip. How did it go? Saying goodbye to love of my life. And Jesse's like, it was, like, hard for everybody. And, like, I think it was hard on him and, like, you know, to, like, actually say goodbye. Yeah.

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So.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yes. I wish I was there just to kill a chicken to show that I part of family, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

But obviously someone had to be here. Good old dependable gleaner.

[Ally McBee]

Okay, yeah, well, you know what? You're doing more for papa than by staying busy than you could. If I like coming in the RV with this. So, you know, taking care of business.

[Casey McBee]

I agree.

[Ronnie Karam]

Which is what I did. So Gina is really rubbing it in. She's like, when it comes to business, it feels like boys have been completely off rails. Am I right? Everybody? Hold on. Alexis Bolino texting me. Okay, I will be there possibly Saturday or Sunday. I'm sorry for the automatic insistence that you are part of car wash. Text respond Y or N.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, by the way, boys, here's an example of what we're sending out weekly to all of the managers. How many cars we washed. What is our current membership?

[Stephen Jr.]

Membership. Someone says about membership, oh, I don't

[Ben Mandelker]

know who that was. And, you know, projections. And Jesse's like, yeah, I'd be interested to see at our events that we throw. What. What we do here. Like, the events that are here to. What are we doing to gain membership from that? She's like, well, it's about generating brand awareness. Like, are we literally watching people talk about getting memberships to a car Wash right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's what. That's what they're talking about. He's like, I just want to make

[Casey McBee]

sure that, you know, like, the things that we're doing here, like translating into memberships for the car wash, you know, we need to make sure these parties are really bringing people in.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yes. What everybody wants from their local car wash. A party. A weekly cocktail party at the car

[Ben Mandelker]

wash. Guys, I. I would love to join for dinner tonight. Thank you so much for getting that reservation. I know it's a tough one. I've got a party at the car wash I have to go to, so rain check.

[Stephen Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's super important, guys. It's community building.

[Casey McBee]

Okay.

[Ben Mandelker]

You guys go to the car wash party. Okay. So Galena's like, well, I know a lot has been happening, but you're going to nfr, right? And Cole's like, any fart. No nfr.

[Stephen Jr.]

Oh, I was gonna go to any fart.

[Ben Mandelker]

I don't know what that is.

[Stephen Jr.]

Well, yeah, I mean, I kind of want to get.

[Ben Mandelker]

Figure out getting a booth out there to all our stuff for next year. So, yeah, I want to go NFR

[Ronnie Karam]

circle is like, yes, I'm fully in support of this. For those who don't know, this means nfr, the National Finals Rodeo. This is where we will promote car

[Casey McBee]

wash.

[Ben Mandelker]

Hey, is your bull getting dirty as it chases clowns around the rodeo? Don't worry. We have special bull deal when you come to the car wash. Not just for cars anymore. Also bulls.

[Casey McBee]

Bull.

[Ronnie Karam]

It is the super bowl of rodeo. And then we get a clip of this super bowl of rodeo. There's like 10 people in the audience, like, whoa. And Jesse's like, yeah, it's like there's all sort of events and side shows. It's like cowboy Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cowboy Christmas is the name of a real event also probably gay porn. So he's like, cowboy Christmas. It's a huge convention. It lasts two weeks. You have everything you can imagine for western theme products. Hats, boots. Hats, boots. Things you put on your.

[Ronnie Karam]

Wait, hold on. As boots,

[Ben Mandelker]

hats. There's so many different boots. It'll be a good opportunity to get out there and see if that's, like, something next year. We could sell tallow. Because, you know, when you buy your cabal hat, you're like, this cab hat's good, but it's. But would be better if it had meat fatter on it. So where's the tallow, too?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, well, you know, your dad is away. We should be focusing on. On bull bit on bull wash. But you guys going there advocating for products, promoting it. That is taking care of business. I say you go to Las Vegas

[Ally McBee]

and Cole's like, well, I mean, you know, we will be. That's about all I had. Talking about business.

[Ronnie Karam]

And that's.

[Ally McBee]

That's done today. Meeting's over. Kalina said to go to like, well,

[Ronnie Karam]

this is not all I had. I have one more thing on agenda. Did we see news? Masra went to prison for speeding ticket karma. She's a. But she is a. I want to have lunch with. Am I right, boys?

[Ben Mandelker]

You know what? While you're at cowboy Christmas, I'm now experiencing Galina Christmas because I got my gift. A mug shot of Masha. Yes.

[Ronnie Karam]

Masha has been taken to jail for two days for speeding now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

How does she have to go to jail for two days when Galena's drunk ass crashed into a whole tree and she got out? I guess that really is the problem with Steve Senior being in. In prison now, because he's not going to be able to bail him out of everything or call the cops and, you know, one hand while shoots the other.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cut to Cole McBee. Be like, wow, Masha going to jail. I mean, that's gonna be two whole days. We won't see her. I mean, by the time she gets out of jail, Blair won't even know who she is.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Let's go to the farm fulfillment center.

[Casey McBee]

Okay.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ally and Stephen are meeting up with

[Casey McBee]

Casey and Cole for their couples Casey Tallow business meeting.

[Ronnie Karam]

So here we go. Ally's like, deep breath, babe. Do not lose your temper. Not that I've ever seen it and have no idea what that's like, but calm. Deep breath, deep breath. If I was saying this on Instagram, I'd be getting paid $10,000 by the way.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then income. Cole and Casey, two professional lumberers. Like, want to go lumber up there? Yeah, let's go and lumber up there. They come in and Steven Jr. Is

[Stephen Jr.]

like, hey, what was that meal robins thing? People's energy. You're either a bluebird sky or a thunderstorm.

[Ben Mandelker]

And she's like, yeah, do the bluebird, Scott.

[Stephen Jr.]

Bluebirds.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, well, Mel Robbins. Is hilarious. Ridiculous. So Stephen Jr tells us, Casey and

[Stephen Jr.]

I had such a good relationship that's really just falling apart over the last few months. We've been butting heads for a while now and that's just like causing so

[Ben Mandelker]

much drama and tension, which is weird because I was like, I never knew that they were, they were best friends. I don't even see that. I feel like they've never liked each other, but also I literally don't care. So Steven's like seemed to just come

[Ronnie Karam]

in today where suddenly Casey and Steven were best friends and everybody knew they were best friends. So I don't remember that being in here at all.

[Ben Mandelker]

But I guess that's why the show is so bad. Like, how are they planting the seed now in the episode that they need to call upon it? Like, they, it's called like building stakes into like this should have been like something in episode one. Like Casey and I have been like, become like really good friends. So that way now when they have fights over the tallow business, it means something to us. But instead we're just sort of have this like low wattage tallow situation and Then we have a bombshell at the end of the episode. I'm like, you mean you've been sitting on something that could have been driven some interesting cast dynamics all season, and just gonna casually drop it at the end of this episode of, like, Tallow? I was like, this is why I

[Stephen Jr.]

can't stand this show.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're so bad at storytelling on this show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, this really came out of nowhere. So they sit down. Casey is, like, really pissy. She's just, like. Has a look on her face like she's over it and she's mad. You know, she doesn't want. She's kind of a pouty look.

[Casey McBee]

So he's like, okay, well, thank you guys for coming in here today in case. He's like, let's just get this over with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Aren't you the one who called the meeting, Casey? They just showed in the previous scene. You telling Ally on the rv, I think that we, as couples should discuss this. And now they have a meeting, and now you're all pissed off it's happening.

[Ben Mandelker]

I support her being pissed off. I'd be pissed off, too. You're dealing with Steven Jr. He's so condescending. The last time they had a conversation, he was a total dick to her.

[Ronnie Karam]

And I'm not saying I don't get why she would be pissed off at him in general. It's just weird that she would call the meeting and then act, like, pissy that she's even at the meeting and

[Casey McBee]

be like, let's just get this over with.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, someone forced her to come in here. So. Well, you know, you called the meeting.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, it's more than this. You know, it was like, let's get together at the house, because this way I can take care of Blair. And then Steven's like, no, it's gonna

[Stephen Jr.]

be in my territory.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he was probably a whole dick about it. And then it's a whole thing because Stephen didn't want to do it someplace. They finally have to go to the Farm fulfillment center, which was inconvenient for everyone. You know, it was like there was more stuff going into this meeting than what we saw on camera. I'm going to be conspiratorial about it, okay?

[Casey McBee]

So he's like, well, but tell a business. We've been needing to meet for a while now because I want this figured out, so that way it benefits all of us and there's no hidden animosity, okay? Or someone feel like they're taking more of the blame than they should be. Casey, who's not doing anything. Okay.

[Ally McBee]

And Cole's like, well, she just felt like the way that everybody's been, you know, like, coming on, you know, and, you know, she's doing lots of stuff. And then people are like, hey, you can't keep up with nothing, but, like, she's doing stuff when she can, you know? But she's got a baby and stuff. There's, like, a baby at the house. So it's, like, hard to keep up with stuff. But then people maybe get mad that she's not keeping up with stuff. But we're talking about again, I forgot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, because, like, no one offers to help unless there's, like, a percentage being talked about.

[Stephen Jr.]

He's like, well, I don't think anyone should be expecting help unless I've got 500% of the company.

[Ben Mandelker]

Casey's like, yeah, but, like, I help out wherever I need to help out all the time. And Ali's like, when you own a business, that's usually how it goes. High five, Stephen. I got one in finance degree. Finance, yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Ali, stay out of it. This is. This part's not this. This isn't your part. And Casey's like, but I'm not talking about the tallow, though. I mean, the other businesses I help

[Casey McBee]

out with, you know?

[Ronnie Karam]

So Stephen is like, well, you know what?

[Casey McBee]

If we're expected to help, 100% of the profit shouldn't be funneling to you is what I was saying.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, I agree, but, like, do

[Casey McBee]

you even know how to make tallow?

[Ronnie Karam]

You haven't even stopped by to look at it.

[Casey McBee]

I make tallow. He's like, no, I have not stopped to look at it. That's true. I have no idea what's going on in any of this business. That doesn't stop me from saying I do and stop me from getting a percentage of it and stop me from saying I should be the boss of everything.

[Ben Mandelker]

Okay, she just pulled the do you even lift brew card about tallow.

[Ronnie Karam]

Truly, because it's so Steven. He's like this with every aspect of the business.

[Casey McBee]

He's like, I'm the boss.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, you just flew in here from, like, LA or wherever the hell he hangs out and not. Not shooting part of the season.

[Casey McBee]

He's like, I know everything. There is that.

[Stephen Jr.]

What do you mean?

[Casey McBee]

You bought a soybean? What do you mean, soybean?

[Stephen Jr.]

What are you talking about?

[Ben Mandelker]

So Casey's like, steven, I have a complicated relationship, and we were, like, really good friends at one point, but he's also my future Brother in law. He's also now my business partner who tries to be my boss in every conversation we have. And I just feel like he talks down to me every single time. And so then Steven's like, as far

[Stephen Jr.]

as Ally, making sure that she's incentivized, the value you bring to the online sales does become important. I mean, what are your thoughts called? Casey, correct me if I'm wrong, this is kind of a marketing genius we got right here. I mean, Dun Deutsch is more like we got Ali Deutsch right here. Here. This is a smart business lady right here.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, it's like, Well, I agree. And I do think that like something that I want, like Casey working with you on, like, it's like, maybe she can learn from you and how she can like sell stuff on like Instagram and things like that and such.

[Casey McBee]

Well, yeah, but you know what, there's some concern that if Allie comes and helps with the marketing and then we break up in two and a half months, then she leaves forever. And what do you pay? You know? Okay, how about this, Ally, why don't you just, you're paid a commission based on everything you sell right now. And that way it's immediate.

[Ronnie Karam]

And she's like, oh, my normal commission is 20% on 10,000 posts. So yeah, there's no way. Okay, so you don't just want to help. Like, if you say like I just want to help, then that just means guiding. I don't think she should be working for free for these people anyway. And I don't think Casey's suggesting that Cole kind of is. But I think Cole's just saying, why don't you give her the know how and see if she can do it or whatever. Or I think if McBee Farms is going to be getting 40%, why wouldn't marketing and stuff be part of that budget? That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think they're all just very dumb people.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Cole is like, I just, I just put a needle into your brain. You're like lobotomized you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Steven's just calls like, Steven's just trying to give Ally part of his business to keep her around. I mean, it's kind of probably going to be a little hard to break up when you're business partners. And I've heard people baby trapping others, but I've heard business trapping. Steven's definitely doing that. So Ellie's like, I don't know. I mean, I just don't see my role in this. I'm gonna Be honest. This is between you guys. I'll support you on the background and where I can, but if I'm gonna get involved, it's gonna look pretty different, like, oh, wow. Okay. Thank you for your support. Barbara Corcoran.

[Ronnie Karam]

I get that Ali's a pretty successful influencer, but that doesn't mean running. She's. She's not running the skincare companies that she's doing influencing work for if they're paying her $10,000, you know, they're making it sound like she runs.

[Casey McBee]

She knows everything. She wants skincare. Come. She's an influencer.

[Ronnie Karam]

Come on.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. It's not the same, is it?

[Ronnie Karam]

Do you think it's crazy? I don't think an influencer would just take a 20. They would get paid by the post. But I don't know. I don't know how much you get. 10,000. Not you personally, but people get $10,000 a post. That's a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, for sure. But, like, the other thing is, people who do work for companies, it's reasonable that they don't get ownership stakes. They get salary, commission. There's, like, other ways you can incentivize someone to do work that does not involve giving up an entire percentage. It's just ridiculous. I mean, like, it really bothers me that I. That, like, I have to spend time thinking about what the business structure of this tallow business is going to be and having to, like, weigh in with my opinion. But this is where we are in the McBee, the McBee family drama. Like, this talent. So Steven's like. He's like, saying that this is fair. And Casey's like, Casey's basically says she wants McBee to be the majority owner. And Cole's like, I'm thinking the farms get 40, Casey gets 30, and Stephen, you get 30. And all he's like, well, I think, like, what's your day to day gonna be? Like, how's that gonna go? And Stephen. And Cole's saying that, like, Stephen's gonna run the business.

[Stephen Jr.]

And Steven's like, yeah, I'm gonna do website operations, fulfillment, jerking off every few hours. And there's no more money out of the pocket from your end. Okay. And then all the funds go back into the company, and no one's gonna take any funds out. I will tell you that. One thing you know about the McBees, we are not going to take any funds out from places that should not be taking funds out of. From. Okay? You can. You have my word and my daddy's word on that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Here's the thing. They just took more money from. They just took a bigger percentage from Casey. And Cole's supposed to be standing up for Casey. He just took more of a percentage from her.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Why?

[Ronnie Karam]

Wasn't it originally that they. They wasn't originally a bigger percentage. Didn't. Wasn't it supposed to be like, 40, 40, 20 or something? McBee, then Allie, then Casey, then 20% to her, and now it's Casey gets 30% and Steven gets 30% and the farm still gets 40. Isn't Stephen part of the farm? I'm confused.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought it's gonna be 60. 40. Casey with the 60.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like, no, yeah, this is. I love that. She's like, cole, come in and stand up for me. And then Cole lowers her percent. He lowers the percentage. So Ali's like, well, you guys need to align. Because, like, that was a pressing point for both of you. Like, everyone wants to get paid, right? Because Steven goes, yeah, all the funds

[Casey McBee]

are going back into the company, and no one is taking any funds out.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, well, people should get paid, right? In case he goes, well, I haven't gotten paid anyway. So I get. What am I missing? Okay, let me get this straight. You had your man come in here to sit with you and bargain a deal, he's lowered your percentage, and now you don't get any money at all?

[Casey McBee]

What the fuck

[Ronnie Karam]

kind of partner is that?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like watching a bunch of bowling pins trying to hammer out a deal. Like, I'm just waiting for that ball to come down the alley and clear it out. It's just. It's ridiculous.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Ali's like, yeah, this isn't how you do business. I. You know, there's no operating agreement. Like, they haven't even narrowed down exactly what everyone's role is. I don't know what's going on. So Stephen Jr. Is like, okay, so

[Casey McBee]

now, just to make this clear, I get a bigger percentage, McPhee gets a bigger percentage, and Ally gets less of a percentage and never makes any money. Okay, Is that a fair deal to everybody?

[Ronnie Karam]

They're like, yeah, I'm really glad. Casey's like, I'm really glad with what we did today, you know, it's just

[Casey McBee]

I don't think I get credit that

[Ronnie Karam]

I deserve, you know, because, like, maybe you can make me make a sale. But then the repeat customers come back because they really like the product, and I make the product.

[Casey McBee]

Okay, so you're happy with getting absolutely nothing ever?

[Ally McBee]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

Thank you so much for hearing me out.

[Stephen Jr.]

Out of here.

[Ronnie Karam]

Get the ideas.

[Ben Mandelker]

So they leave, and then Ali and Stephen hold back, stay back. And Ali's like, so, how'd you feel it really went?

[Stephen Jr.]

He's like, well, it's very hard to do a meeting with Casey's attitude. I'll be honest.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God. Suddenly Stephen is going to be policing someone else's attitude when he's the one being a dick in every single scene of every single episode of all time and throwing off his microp phone after he talks to Ally outside, like Jimmy's party or James, whatever that guy's name is. Like, really? You're gonna be the one to complain about someone's attitude? You're literally sitting on here, out here, foaming at the mouth, complaining, roid, raged out, and you're gonna complain about someone's attitude? So Ali's like, yeah, I was surprised that you didn't tick. He's like, well, are they.

[Stephen Jr.]

Hey, are they out there? Can they hear me?

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I don't know what's wrong. That's a scary face you're making.

[Stephen Jr.]

No, it's my. My happy face, actually. But did you hear at the end,

[Ben Mandelker]

she says, oh, this. Practice mine. Casey says, stephen, you haven't even come by one time to make a recipe.

[Stephen Jr.]

Casey, I could hire 50 an hour to work. I. I could hire 50 an hour to make this.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, then why don't you, like, don't.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's exactly what Casey was talking about as far as, like, not being valued.

[Casey McBee]

He's like, how dare she accuse me of not showing her any value when I could get someone less than minimum wage to do the she's doing idiot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you obviously think that there's value in what Casey's doing, because why did you suddenly come in and decide you can blow this up into being a multi million dollar thing? And now suddenly, like, what she's done is just like, oh, whatever. You can just get some, you know, temp worker and just throw it on there. Put the. Get in some gloves and mold the tallow into a jar.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So Ali's like, oh, I don't think he's speaking up because he's afraid he's gonna burst on TV again. And he doesn do that. And she says, why didn't you say that to her face?

[Casey McBee]

He's like, because I didn't do that. Because she's sitting there already pissed off. And that's the problem with family businesses. You can't be direct like you would be with normal situation.

[Ben Mandelker]

Literally. Casey was direct about everything. And the only. The one who is the most furious is you right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Casey was pissy. I mean, Casey did come with the pissy attitude, but I think that you're right that he's the one screaming and yelling all the time. And for him to judge, that is crazy. Also, there does seem something we don't find out till later in the episode what is maybe going on. But first of all, it's super weird that he was like, oh, sure, Casey, you can make a beef tallow company with all of the products, all the discarded products of our cattle and just keep a hundred percent. I don't. That sounded crazy to me that he would ever do that because it sounds very out of character. And then her coming in, like, clearly upset, and then them talking. There is something fishy going on here. It's something. Something weird. Are they doing it? Let's go to Jesse and Ali's city house. Jesse is watching the baby crawl around, and she comes in and, you know, their chemistry is burning off the screen. They still resent each other and stuff. Jesse's just sitting there with this creepy little doll smile, and now they're talking about Vegas because there's going to be this trip to Vegas for the cowboy Christmas. And she wants to go, and he does not want to go. And she's like, I think it could help our marriage.

[Casey McBee]

And he's like, well, I mean, I just don't get that. You know, the bank's got to see that somebody's working here. You know, if they look on Instagram and something to see. Everybody's in Vegas and they're going to get real upset that, you know, Jesse McBee's not sitting there waiting for the bull wash to. To complete business for the day.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. I think what's more damning is just filming this TV show. I think that's going to be worse for investors. Yeah. Not you going to Vegas. The cowboy.

[Ronnie Karam]

You just shot a scene taking your dad to prison. So Vegas is pretty small compared to that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Last week we watched you not be able to get out of a combine.

[Ronnie Karam]

So you literally cannot open the tractor door.

[Casey McBee]

So

[Ben Mandelker]

they say that these officers, people. We now have to double, double double check that.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, Nothing important. So Ally is telling us now we

[Casey McBee]

used to be so in love, and

[Ronnie Karam]

now we're just like friends who live together. So she's asking him why he doesn't want to go, and he's like, it's bad optics with my dad going to prison. And now we're all out in Vegas partying. She's like, it's clearly not the optics. Since when does Jesse give a about any of this?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. And so we see montage of their relationship, and Jesse says, I mean, the truth is that Ali and Oz relationship is not the best that it's been right now. And I don't want others to see that. And let me tell you something. We are seeing it, and we're bored by it. He's like, we've always kept everything in house, and I really don't think it's a good idea to go out there and air out all our problems so they can give their advice. And honestly, it's not their relationship to like, you're going to Vegas, bro. Like, let's not overthink this. You're going to go get some beer, do something weird and kinky at cowboy Christmas, and you'll come home and act like nothing happened. It's fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

If it was just a boys trip, he would want to go, but that it's. All the. All the girls are coming too. He's like, no, he's already avoiding Ally as much as possible. He would actually have to sit and have multiple meals with Ally and spend time with her. I think he's.

[Ben Mandelker]

He doesn't want to be with Ali, so he could.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he doesn't also want Ali to go and, like, talk about how bad their relationship is with all the other girls. And he doesn't want the girls to be like, what's going on with you guys? When do you have you guys started your 10 days of intimacy? He just doesn't want any of it. He just. You're right. If it was just boys trip, he'd be perfectly fine.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. They'll be like, kiss, kiss.

[Casey McBee]

You guys should kiss.

[Ronnie Karam]

I'll be like, kissing in public.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Casey McBee]

What are we praying for? Satan to enfold us in his arms?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then we go to the farm fulfillment center again. Big day at the farm fulfillment center.

[Ben Mandelker]

Big day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Steve and Cole talk.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nothing.

[Ronnie Karam]

What was it?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not called fulfilling for nothing. I mean, we go back to be fulfilled.

[Ronnie Karam]

They just keep me. They need to keep putting up the word fulfillment over and over to kind of brainwash you into thinking this is worth. Worth your time. So Steven's like, you know, this whole

[Casey McBee]

Teller deal, it's got me more stressed because, you know, not because of the personal relationship with Casey, you know, but because of the personal relationship I have with you. It's my brother. I want this business to be what it could be. And I could see the potential. We're sitting on a good opportunity, okay?

[Ally McBee]

And Cole's like, well, me and her talk. And I said, casey, you really did have an attitude the whole time. You know, I was like, you know, you're not really pleasant to talk to in that meeting, Casey.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he's like, yeah.

[Stephen Jr.]

Does she just shut down like that whenever you're arguing with her?

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, well, she definitely just shut down a lot more when talking to you compared to with me and her arguing. But, like, you know, she usually lets me hear it. Then Jesse walks in. It's like, so.

[Stephen Jr.]

Hey, Jesse, wait a second. Did you not get packed up for Vegas yet? Why are you not packed up?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Jesse's like, no, no. Yeah, where are you? Better get packed up, because soon we're gonna have to get more packed up.

[Stephen Jr.]

He said, yeah, we're about to leave here, so we're about to go to Vegas for cab on Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, yeah, I don't know about Vegas.

[Stephen Jr.]

What? What do you mean, don't know about Vegas?

[Casey McBee]

That's.

[Stephen Jr.]

How about Christmas and nfr? Rodeo and Christmas. Rodeo and cowboy Christmas is the best time of the year. It's the most wonderful time of the year. Just like the song says, why don't you come to cowboy Christmas?

[Casey McBee]

I'm not going to Vegas. And that's the end of it.

[Ronnie Karam]

People have to know at least someone

[Casey McBee]

here cares about the businesses. Aren't you serious? Is the most important cowboy thing and all. But all the planet. You better come. You better come and show some face.

[Ronnie Karam]

And he's like, well, someone with the last name McBean needs to be here. Okay, so this is ridiculous. So Cole's like, but mom got all

[Ally McBee]

these sweets out there. You got to tell mom you're not gonna go and say no to mom if you think Mom's gonna cry. She spent this entire fall getting pumpkins for our homes.

[Stephen Jr.]

Now, Cole, you do know that Mama left make got us sweets S U I T E S, not S W E T S. Right? Oh.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, okay. No, that's fine. I'm still excited about Vegas, I guess.

[Ally McBee]

Gotta eat.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Junior is like.

[Casey McBee]

He seems like he's in the funk.

[Ronnie Karam]

You think so? He's staring at the ground, like, kicking dirt. Being like, I just don't think it's possible. So Jesse refuses to bend on this, and he leaves. And he's like, viva Las Vegas.

[Stephen Jr.]

And he is literally the most pessimistic person about a cowboy Christmas I ever met. I mean, what's gonna happen when I sit on cowboy Santa's lap and wish for tallow, and no one's gonna take a picture of it. You know, calls will be lost in some sort of chocolate fudge fountain. Jesse's supposed to be the one taking the picture. Now who's gonna take the picture of me and Santa Pappy? I don't get it.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So now we go to Teagan shopping with Ally and the girls at a country western store to get Vegas stuff.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, yeah. Be fun.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. They're going to the fashion capital of Missouri, Migros Western store. So Ali is. She's like. They're browsing through the dusty racks of clothing, and the girls all meet up with each other. Tegan comes in. She's like, guys, I dress like ketchup today. They're like, oh, my God, Key. Tegan looks so nice. And Casey is like, I really like Ally, and I want to go get to know her on a personal level. But after the meeting, it's just, like, a little awkward for me.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. And Ally's like, the telemeeting didn't go as expected. I still want to make sure whatever is between her and Stephen is between her and Steven. So we're going to talk about that. So I'm going to bring myself into it by talking about it right now. Okay, Allie. So they're talking about how they're going to do a bachelorette for Casey, and it's a surprise. And she's like, wait, what is the surprise? Girl? They could do literally anything, and it would be a surprise.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm sorry,

[Ronnie Karam]

but just so. Just so she's not too shocked. Yeah, they just tell her they're going to the Thunder Down Under. Crazy. I can't believe a reality show is going to go see a strip show of men in Vegas.

[Ben Mandelker]

In case he's like, what is that? It's like, oh, wow, we forgot that this girl only saw her first mountain last year. So Ali is like.

[Ronnie Karam]

And then cold. Beat up. Beat it up.

[Ben Mandelker]

I never done seen a mountain before. So it's strippers, trippers, and alleys. Like, yeah. I mean, I did get my. My bum played like a. Like the Congos, and I got in trouble, so I don't want to hear it. So they're, like, excited that they're gonna be seeing some hot guys. And then Ali is like, oh, yeah. And this needs to be activated in the 10 days challenge. By the way, how's the 10 days of intimacy going? And I was like, well, I mean, that was out the window the day that happened. Ten days? More like zero days. You know what I'm saying?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. So their relationship still sucks and Jesse doesn't even want to go. So they're like, what?

[Casey McBee]

We have to make Jesse come with you.

[Ronnie Karam]

Let's find you something sexy here at this general cowboy store.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Do you have any burlap lingerie. Commercials?

[Stephen Jr.]

Here comes one right now.

[Ronnie Karam]

One thing my mom loves is to bargain hunt. She will go to a garage sale, to a flea market, any old sale at the mall. I'm taking her from sale to sale to sale to sale, and I finally found someplace online that I can just park her and she'll have the time of her life. And that is whatnot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Whatnot is an app that does live shopping. There's a whole community there on whatnot. You're connecting with sellers and other shoppers and it's kind of like hanging out with the group that gets you. And this is like a really fun way to shop.

[Ronnie Karam]

You never pay full price. Sarah, you can shop name brands across makeup, perfume, clothes, handbags, jewelry and more, all without the sticker shock. It's the best way place to find great deals on products you love.

[Ben Mandelker]

And there are amazing sellers with great, great taste and they're going live all the time, like 24 7. You can comment in real time and they'll just show you like close up of clothes. You'll be like, hey, can I get. Can I see that a little bit closer? I want to see that detail on that shirt and they will show it to you because it's real time and

[Ronnie Karam]

you can sell too. Do you have clothes, bags or accessories sitting in your closet that you don't reach for anymore? Whatnot makes it easy to turn them into cash. Connect with shoppers who share your style and have fun going live while doing it.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's amazing what you can find on there. I literally just purchased a mid century modern Dansk yellow paella pan for $35 and I've seen it listed elsewhere on the Internet for $80. It was a bargain.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ronnie Karam]

Now we go to Jesse and Allie's house, and Jesse's just sitting there staring at Summer on the baby cam. And Christy walks in with gigantic coffee slides. I mean, give them a doll. They need wheels.

[Ben Mandelker]

They're huge Frappuccinos. They were. It was like she. She brought in two giant arcade games. So she's like, you want this coffee?

[Stephen Jr.]

It has Pac man on it.

[Ben Mandelker]

And so they're talking, and she's like, so I know the girls were shopping and you had Summer and everything, so I thought I'd come up to see how you're doing. You know, there's such a thing as text messaging, Mom. You don't have to come all the way to this house.

[Casey McBee]

And he's like, yeah, just man laying with the baby. It's just so hard on a man.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, yeah, it's me.

[Casey McBee]

I'm in charge of babysitt day.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really? Men still say that?

[Ben Mandelker]

So he's saying that. He's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's your baby, dummy.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. He's like, I don't know. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna go to cowboy Christmas this year.

[Stephen Jr.]

She's like, what? You have to go nfr. Come on. Cowboy Christmas.

[Ben Mandelker]

He's like, I could list a million excuses, but I think I kind of put our relationship on the back burner a little bit.

[Stephen Jr.]

It.

[Ben Mandelker]

Not that I wasn't still there, but it's like, okay, we have all this other stuff going on, so I don't know. It's like, it happens. And look, I kind of made a deal with the Golden Nugget Casino that we'd take up three of their suites and we'd get them for free as long as we showed three different suites on tv. So you kind of have to go. Otherwise, this whole thing goes to.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it's like, but dad just went to prison. I don't think that's appropriate.

[Casey McBee]

It's like, honey, Las Vegas was built by either men in prison or men whose fathers are in prison. This is the most appropriate place to go.

[Ronnie Karam]

Things are hard in my relationship.

[Casey McBee]

Well, you know, Alice, just suffering through a little postpartum. That's something you can't really prepare for. Okay, you don't know how that is. You just need to go with Ally for a couple of days. Stop staring at the phone. Is that a still picture on your phone?

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, I'm babysitting.

[Ben Mandelker]

You don't know. It's like the optics of all those upstanding car wash and beef people in our industry. I just don't want them thinking that we are irresponsible. You know how it is.

[Stephen Jr.]

She's like, okay, well, just let Ali feel a little bit normal again, a little connected with you. And I think that would help. I mean, you've been her person since high school.

[Ben Mandelker]

And he gives this side, like, yeah, since high school.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Just me and Allie.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah. Just we see pictures of them as kids. Basically, it's like, thank you.

[Casey McBee]

So you talk on the phone 24 hours a day, and now you're telling me they can't get it back?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, looks like it. So then we go back to the women shopping at the cowboy store, and the conversation has moved to Steve and

[Casey McBee]

Casey's like, do you think it's gonna be awkward with Steven and I in Vegas?

[Ronnie Karam]

Nellie's like, do you think so?

[Ally McBee]

I mean, I don't know.

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, what are you feeling?

[Casey McBee]

She's like, definitely not happy with them.

[Ronnie Karam]

Oh, my God. Are you guys mad at them? Is everybody mad at them? Like, no, it's just Casey. And she's like, oh, my God, I hope you're not mad at me. Just. Yeah, you'd know if Casey was mad at you. You'd know.

[Casey McBee]

Casey, give me a mat. Give me a look when you're happy. Give me a look when you're sad.

[Ronnie Karam]

Give me a look when you're mad.

[Casey McBee]

See?

[Ronnie Karam]

Not really, but I guess I'll trust you on that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Casey reveals that Stephen Shocker sent her an angry text and told her that she was miserable and yada, yada, yada. And the text says, the attitude in

[Stephen Jr.]

that meeting, I want absolutely nothing to do with. And that meeting with you, I left absolutely miserable.

[Ben Mandelker]

And it was like the whole text, like, you're just.

[Stephen Jr.]

The way you acted like that we were trying. I'm trying to make a bit. I'm trying to, like, make talent with you. I'm trying to get in the talent business with you. And the way you're acting is absolutely unacceptable. That attitude, that little stupid attitude. Now go to your room.

[Ronnie Karam]

So, Ali, someone who is 5 foot

[Casey McBee]

8 and blonde, I naturally respect you, but this is too far.

[Stephen Jr.]

You haven't even tried to sell any

[Ben Mandelker]

memberships this afternoon, which is the only you can sell memberships.

[Ronnie Karam]

What? I mean, I didn't even know that. That's crazy. Did you Respond. And she's like, well, I've been calling

[Casey McBee]

him and texting him, and he won't answer about it.

[Ben Mandelker]

Chuck.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really? He told me you were the one who wouldn't answer. Okay, so you do know.

[Ben Mandelker]

You do know Chuck.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, I knew he's on a talks, but I didn't know it was a mean text. And so Casey's like, typical Stephen, you know, making himself sound like a hero in a story. So Ali's like, tell me about the text. What did he say? Because I didn't know that it was bad. And she's like, it was a bunch of rage text. So I just told him, I just want to tell you my side of things. And then he didn't answer those, and so I unsent them. Them he once sent them. Why would you do that?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, let them. Let's fish there. So Ali says. She's like, well, from. From what Stevens told me, he has a very close relationship with Casey, and I'm just trying to figure out exactly what their dynamic is. Let's put this finance degree to work, okay? Because the tension between those two, I think it's just weird. So she's like, I want to get to the bottom of it. And she's like, Ali goes, I need. I need to ask someone to show me the messages. I'm like, casey is literally right there. Why don't you look on her phone?

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, but Casey also just said she unsent stuff, which is. I don't know who does that. Like, if you're.

[Ally McBee]

If.

[Ronnie Karam]

Especially if you're having an argument with somebody, you want to keep the messages because that's your proof of stuff. Later, you whip out your phone. Duh. Are you guys new to Bravo? So Tegan's like, yeah, I would definitely ask to see them. But also, like, you know that he's sending that energy to someone else, so part of you's got to be like, God, I hope he doesn't send that energy to me one day. And Ellie's like, okay, yeah, yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

People with bad tempers, they famously are really good about, like, making sure the people they love the most don't receive it, so.

[Ronnie Karam]

Exactly.

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't worry about it. So now we go to Steve Jr's Kansas City condo, and Ali and Stephen are there, and Ally is like, hey, so the girls asked if you freaked out, and I said, he didn't. And, like, how. But how mad were you? Actually, he's like, I wasn't mad.

[Stephen Jr.]

I was working on my patience. A lot of Mel Robbins, a lot of Mel Robbins. Like watching Mel Robbins and Danny Glover in LA fighting crimes and watching Mel Robbins and, you know, with Goldie Hawn just on, you know, trying to escape from bad guys. And a lot of Mel Robbins get a little drunk and going off to mooches.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're talking about Mel Gibson.

[Stephen Jr.]

Oh, that makes no sense.

[Casey McBee]

Mel Robbins. I was, you know, I would hear a ding, ding, ding, and I would say, kiss my grits. Mail.

[Ronnie Karam]

That's Mel from Mel Steiner on Alice.

[Casey McBee]

Oh, damn it.

[Stephen Jr.]

Oh. Oh. You know, sometimes I would just be listening to Mel Robbins and I'd be like, you know what I gotta do? I gotta say a shackle for your thoughts.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's Mel Brooks.

[Casey McBee]

So Mel Robbins made Apocalypto.

[Ronnie Karam]

You're back to Mel Gibson.

[Casey McBee]

Damn it. Okay, hold on. Let me look up Mel Robbins right here on my phone. Oh, my gosh. I really respect this person. She's between 5, 6, 5 foot 8 and blonde. Perfect.

[Stephen Jr.]

I'm still gonna listen to Mel Gibson. That guy's got a lot of good advice.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ali is like, yeah, so I want to talk to you about, like, patience and stuff. And she tells us my most serious relationship. There were signs before we went through the wedding that my family strongly encouraged me to, like, knock a marriage to this person. I was like, what do you guys think of them? And they just all ran away. I was like, guys, stop playing this game with me. I need an answer sometime in my life. So there were red flags. And I just want to make sure that, like, something like that doesn't happen again. By dating Stephen McBee, someone whose red flags have been documented in pop culture for now going on to a third year.

[Ronnie Karam]

Yeah, so she says, look, I was talking to the girls. They're making you feel like you sent texts I don't know about, because their reaction was you sent, like, relationship altering texts. Texts. So I couldn't defend it because, you know, the three people that you know really well were making it seem like I was the one missing something. So I was like, is Stephen a liar?

[Casey McBee]

It's like, no. And I will tell you, this is not the first time that they have taken something. Those three, they get together and they. They take some and they twist it and they twist it and they twist it. In other words, they're women, okay? And we all know how women are. Not you. Not you. You're the only one that's not like, this. Cannot wait to raise my children with you in a private school where we talk about memberships.

[Stephen Jr.]

They need to spend more time journaling specifically between 4 to 6am I'm sorry. That's when men journal because the women's still asleep because the woman wakes up at 6am if we remember correctly. But anyway, the point is this. They're women. They just get together. They got nothing else to do but just to talk and gossip and go after the man who wants to save them.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ali's like, well, can I just. Can you just, like, tell me what these texts are?

[Stephen Jr.]

And he's like, okay, here we go. Thanks for meeting. I'm happy that how we win is it.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, can I just see the text my own eyes while you read him?

[Stephen Jr.]

Okay, well, I said no offense at all, but the attitude in that meeting yesterday, it was absolutely. No, I had. I was absolutely nothing to do with that. I don't want anything to do that. I will not work with someone who has facts like that in the business meeting. I mean, you got a lot, a lot going on with Blair, and I don't want to run your personal relationship to work together.

[Ben Mandelker]

And when it's like, well, I don't

[Stephen Jr.]

want to ruin our relationship when it's obvious by the eye rolling and the attitude that you're not happy with it. And as a woman, you shouldn't roll your eyes at a man because the man will be provided for you. Thank you very much for your time.

[Ronnie Karam]

So it just goes on and on, and it ends with.

[Casey McBee]

And candidly being in that meeting with you, I left absolutely miserable.

[Ronnie Karam]

But he's reading it kind of like it's calm, but Ali's just, like, putting her hands over her face like, oh, my God, like, duh. But then she says her answer to him is, well, that's really confusing because I don't know what messages they felt like they saw. If you got this message from somebody and, you know, the tone in his voice, you wouldn't take this as being told off. Come on, Ali.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so condescending at its best. Yeah, it's straight talk, but condescending at its worst. It's. It's actually rude and aggressive and calling

[Ronnie Karam]

somebody unprofessional and then being like, well, you listen here.

[Casey McBee]

I will not have that attitude. I live miserable.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, the whole, like, first of all, the eye rolling and the attitude, I'm not gonna put up with that. Just say I felt there was a lot of tension between us. I respect our relationship too much. I don't want to go down this path. I think that, like, maybe we shouldn't be working together on this because our Relationship is more important. But instead, he's like, your attitude and

[Stephen Jr.]

the way you're behaving, that's absolutely crazy.

[Jake Stauch]

You're.

[Ben Mandelker]

You're unprofessional, and you're bit. You know, it's like, it was a terrible text.

[Casey McBee]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

He's like, but I read it back

[Casey McBee]

calmly, so that means I'm getting better at communication. And these three women standing around a cauldron making it into something it's not.

[Ronnie Karam]

She's like, yeah, I mean, maybe we should just call her that. Because, like, I don't got it. Okay, Ally. So Stephen says that he's really tried to improve his mistakes since his last relationship and be a good man and a good boyfriend and a good communicator. You're doing terribly okay. And just saying over and over to the camera that you're working on yourself, it's very. Bravo, man. You know?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Karam]

It's just like, I'm a different man. No, you're not. You're doing the same. You just had a fit last week and screamed at production and threw off your mic.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Ally calls up. She's like, hi, Casey, Stephen's with me. What are you doing? She's like, nothing. About to get my spray tan.

[Stephen Jr.]

I'm next in line.

[Ben Mandelker]

I got about a minute. The first time Casey has ever shown any urgency in her entire life. I've never seen her speak as quickly.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Ali's like, so Ali says, I just talked to Stephen. We went through the messages, and I will say there wasn't anything that was different than what he told me originally. So Casey's like, yeah, it's not the messages I'm concerned at. Like, I was upset at first, but I just wanted to see where you and I were going to stand after that.

[Casey McBee]

And, like, I had some stuff I wanted to say and tried to call you, and then you wouldn't call me back, you know? And I said, I don't want to

[Ronnie Karam]

talk about the business. I want to talk about our relationship, Stephen.

[Casey McBee]

You know, like, I wanted to talk to you, like, myself directly to you

[Ronnie Karam]

and not you on a conference call with your girlfriend again, who you're trying to give percentages of my business.

[Stephen Jr.]

So he says, for me, Casey, the thing that I no longer will allow is that I'm not gonna allow myself to talk to you without cold present, because I don't want to be playing a game of telephone, even though we are literally on the telephone where you and I communicate. And it gets back to Cole, and he wasn't there to actually Witness it or hear himself. And I think that puts me in a very, very precarious position. Like, I could have said some outlandish things to you, and then there's no way of proving me to me that I didn't say it, because it's an offhand conversation between you and you and I.

[Ben Mandelker]

And Ali's like, yeah, well, I kind of disagree. I think you guys need to, like, like, talk more without coal. Okay. You guys need to, like, don't lose sight of that, okay?

[Stephen Jr.]

He's like, well, I don't know if I agree with that, because when Casey and I are communicating directly and there's no one else involved, that's where things get made up and imaginary situations get in hand. For instance, the last time Casey and I would communicate directly, and I would be telling her about my date. And then that's when Ally says, I have an inappropriate relationship with Casey. I don't happen during cowboy Christmas. Of all the times, most precious time of the year.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. So now it comes out. So he's been accused by Jesse's alley of having an inappropriate relationship with Casey.

[Stephen Jr.]

What?

[Ronnie Karam]

So then he tells us, a couple

[Casey McBee]

of months ago, Ally McBee, she was going around telling people that Casey and I had an inappropriate relationship. And it's weird that Cole needs to keep his eye on us.

[Ronnie Karam]

Whoa. And she's the producer's like, where do you think she got that from?

[Casey McBee]

He's like, I think it comes from a place of jealousy because it was a female seeing me, Handsome male, talking to a female. So it's pretty much all I gotta say on that one. Listen, if you want to know what's inside somebody's brain, you need to check and see whether or not they have boobies.

[Stephen Jr.]

Yeah, that's right. He's like, well, how am I supposed to defend that? Because, like, no one there is the witness. What's being said? Casey, do you agree. Do you not agree that the single most discriminated person in the world right now is a white, straight male? That's what I'm receiving right now.

[Ben Mandelker]

Casey's like, stephen, I think that you and I just used to be able to communicate just fine, but I'm somewhere, so it's. It's hard to have a conversation. I'm literally getting spray tanned right now. I'm getting spray tanned.

[Stephen Jr.]

He's like, okay, well, we'll have a good spray tan. We'll talk to you later.

[Ronnie Karam]

So Stephen says that he's never really discussed with Casey what Ally McBee said about Casey and I's relationship just because

[Casey McBee]

it was so outlandish. We were shocked, pissed off, and now it's awkward as hell. So embarrassing me even have to bring this up right now. And there is not one single thing that would be inappropriate between Casey and I. There never has been and there never will be. And now this makes it fucking weird.

[Ronnie Karam]

Casey is exactly on paper what you describe that you like. And suddenly. So let's, let's. I'll let. Before I even say anything, this. Let's see what Ally says. So Ali's like, what? Did you talk to Casey?

[Casey McBee]

And he's like, no, I talked to Cole about it.

[Stephen Jr.]

It.

[Casey McBee]

And he's like, I understand it's a rumor, but it's so dumb.

[Ronnie Karam]

So she's like, well, why would Ali start that rumor? Did you talk to Jesse about that comment? And he's like, no. Does he know about the comment?

[Casey McBee]

Well, I'm sure he does.

[Ronnie Karam]

Okay. Where would he have gotten that from? Where would they. Where would Ally have gotten that from? She's like, I don't know. So she just pulled it out of her ass.

[Casey McBee]

He's like, I live on the farm. Colin Casey live up on the farm with Blair. So I go over there a lot to see Blair. And I don't know if it came from a place of jealousy and, or why Ally would have said that Stephen

[Ronnie Karam]

was just showing up to see a baby all the time. I don't believe that.

[Ben Mandelker]

It is weird. So Ali is like, well, it's a pretty. It's a pretty bold statement to make. I mean, like, where there's smoke, there's fire. I mean, where the did that come from?

[Stephen Jr.]

She's like, you know what?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's so neat.

[Stephen Jr.]

So needless to say, there's a reason why I won't communicate directly with Casey one on one. And I think it's very, very smart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Smart of me to do that.

[Stephen Jr.]

It's putting me in a dangerous situation. And I don't like how you're telling me that I need to communicate directly with Casey. And I'm telling you, hey, I'm not comfortable doing that because I don't like how you made me feel weird, but I wouldn't want to do that.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, okay, but like you just communicated with Casey and Ally was there. So you had a witness that nothing, you know, crazy was going on. So why do you need Cole there as well? And Ali's like, I just think it's weird. I mean, this is your sister in law and the fact that you can't have a conversation Face to face with your sister in law and you're going to be business partners with her. That's weird. And I'm just gonna be honest. That's weird without the context. And the context is even weirder. Like all of it is like weird. And the fact that you and Casey never even talked about it is like, wait for it. Even weirder.

[Ronnie Karam]

Really weird. This is all weird because if Stephen, if this is all true and you're best friends with Casey and you're hanging out and then Ally's making some comments about it and it's completely ridiculous. I don't think the natural response is

[Casey McBee]

just, I'm never going to speak to Casey again. And this. No, no.

[Ronnie Karam]

I think you guys would laugh it off and be like, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard and go about your, your day. Right? You're acting, but also, you're acting guilty,

[Ben Mandelker]

but also, like, why would you go into business with someone who you can't like be alone and have a conversation with where you're concerned about that? So, like, it is all strange. Again, I just think that this was really, it was really weird, if I'm going to use Ali's language, that they didn't plant this seed earlier in the season. This is so sloppy. Like they just decided to like throw in this thing. We could have had like a very interesting personal dynamic going on throughout the whole season. There could have been something, stuff that we could have like cared about in terms of their relationships. This could have given us a way in to think about. Like maybe this informs why Jesse and Ally are having issues. Maybe he feels some sort of way about the fact that his wife, you know, started a rumor about his brothers. And maybe like there's it like could have added so much texture to this show and the fact that they just like didn't do anything with it all this time, to me just shows that like, the McBee dynasty is not in the right hands as a TV show.

[Ronnie Karam]

Well, but it also kind of shows some shadiness of what is really going on. Because one second, Casey, you're saying, okay, Casey, I want you to do this tallow business. You're going to make 100% of the profits. Which sounds out of character, even though we know that this is true because he said it, so it's like he corroborated it. I mean, so that's odd in the first place. And then the new girlfriend comes in and then suddenly you're like, oh, no, you don't get 100% anymore. Now this girl's going to get 20% of it. And then she's sending him messages upset and then delete unsending the messages so they're no longer on her phone. And then he's suddenly come out. Coming out with, oh, well, we were just friends. And then they're making it sound like it's something more. It does sound like it's something more at this point. And at least Ali's, you know, smart enough to be like, no, there's something. What the fuck is going on here?

[Ben Mandelker]

This is. This is nuts.

[Ronnie Karam]

Like somebody. Or it's weird. So somebody needs to explain what's going on because when you come out with something that late, I don't even know if it's bad storytelling or if it's just somebody kind of backpedaling and trying to cover up something that's about to come out, you know?

[Ally McBee]

Yeah.

[Stephen Jr.]

Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well. Well, either way, it is. It is fishy and it is strange. And we'll be taking all of the all these question marks with us to Vegas next week when they go to Cowboy Christmas.

[Ronnie Karam]

Will Jesse show up up. Or will he be the only person that stays in Gallatin to show the banks that he cares?

[Ben Mandelker]

Optics, guys. Thanks, everyone for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode of Watch what happens. Bye.

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Bye.

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[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Caesar sauce. I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

[Ronnie Karam]

I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a parmesan garlicky blend with some lemon in it and you can dip anything in there.

[Ben Mandelker]

One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go through the drive through and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the Caesar sauce sauce. Also McCripy strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

[Ronnie Karam]

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[Ben Mandelker]

I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

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