#3484 RHOL S1E2: Flash in the Panthea

Summary

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Watch What Crappens Podcast

Episode #3484 – RHOL S1E2: Flash in the Panthea

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Date: July 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

Ben and Ronnie revel in the second episode of The Real Housewives of London, dissecting the latest drama, faux pas, and social skirmishes of the British upper crust. The hosts deliver their trademark blend of snark and affection, focusing this week on Panthea’s quest for authenticity (with her questionable tactics), a fabled children’s dentist feud, fraught dinner party politicking, and the joys of having London’s own Juliet (from Ladies of London) in the mix. The episode offers a hilarious, detailed account of Housewife squabbles, family oddities, and the effortless shade that is uniquely British.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Return to London: RHOL and “Ladies of London” Nostalgia

• The hosts celebrate the debut of Real Housewives of London on Bravo, finally making it accessible for their primarily US audience.
• Both express hope for the return of Ladies of London and Real Housewives of Melbourne.
  • Ben: “Bravo owes us that.” (04:59)
• They delight in the unique musical interludes made by the fictitious in-house artist “Trixie Monocle.”
  • Ronnie: “Some of these songs… ‘Gas in a car. Cars go vroom. Cause there’s gas in them.’ It’s like, what the fuck is this song?” (05:41)
  • Ben: “She’s inspired by everyday life. She’s of the people.” (05:41)
  • Hilarious improvisation of a song about a pigeon on a bench (05:56).

The Juliet/Panthea Feud: Dentistry, Loyalty, and Fakeness

• Recap of the dentist brawl: Panthea and Juliet’s friendship fractured over a children’s dentist rendezvous years earlier.
• Panthea accuses Juliet of being fake and disloyal.
  • Ronnie: “That the first fight was about a child’s dentist.” (03:40)
  • Ben: “Panthea is, like, wealthy, but she tries to act like a lady of wealth, but she is not. And she is really, really tacky. And she’s, like, abrasive in a way that’s great for reality TV.” (07:46)
• Panthea’s mother, Shala, introduced—immediately compared to MJ’s mom from Shahs of Sunset for being hypercritical (09:56).
  • Ben [as Shala]: “You put on eyelashes. Why do you have eyelashes on?...This kitchen, what are you doing in this kitchen?” (09:39)
• Panthea’s family dynamic and backstory:
  • Makes her children call her by her name so people wouldn’t realize she’s old enough to have a daughter (10:14).
  • Her own trauma about betrayal, stemming from absentee or philandering husbands (45:07).

The Book Fair & British Social Satire

• Nessie, the “polite” housewife, debuts her children's book “Cooking with Dinosaurs” at the London Book Fair (15:00).
  • Ben: “They say Shakespeare himself once reincarnated as a ghost and came to this fair just to release a new play…” (15:26)
• Juliet shows up in a dinosaur costume.
  • Juliet’s Shakespeare obsession—her, her children, and pets all named after characters, many of whom died tragically (18:25).

Character Analysis & Show Dynamics

• Panthea’s “theater kid energy” and relentless need for attention are dissected.
  • Ronnie: “I’m expecting her to whip out some tap moves…” (09:00)
• Discussion on the British approach to “fakeness” and how it contrasts with American Real Housewives archetypes. Reference to Mark Francis (Ladies of London): “Yeah, being fake is actually great.” (19:54)

Friendships and Alliances

• Amanda, who views herself as a mythic London socialite, claims to have near-peer relationships with her stepdaughters and brags about her “cool mom” status (27:27-29:44).
  • Ben: “I had her very young. That’s why if you do the math, you can see that I’m obviously 28 years old. By the way, Amanda is 57.” (27:58)
• Karen, who runs a fashion line, positions herself as a “strict but open” mother, but plans to give her children their own apartment to keep the main house child-free (31:09).

Comic High Points & Memorable Quotes

• Faked Qigong scene at the Pilates studio, led by “friend of” Katie:
  • Ronnie: “She’s tapping, obviously… She’s doing basic tapping, but she’s added in all these sounds… Oh God, it’s funny.” (34:04)
• Amanda self-mythologizing:
  • Ben: “It’s not Gilmore Girls. That’s the point. And she’s like being a young, hip, cool mom with a very small age gap.” (28:55)
• Panthea spreading dinner table rumors about Amanda’s divorce settlements, then immediately claiming “I’m just honest!” (57:39)
  • Amanda, stone-faced, deflects: “No, no, no, that’s not true.” (57:07)

Feud Resolution Attempt: Nessie as Peacemaker

• Nessie meets Panthea for lunch (43:23). Panthea defends her loathing of “fakeness” and details traumatic betrayals from ex-husbands (45:07).
  • Panthea: “My ex-husband lied every day of my life…I didn’t know he had four wives and 10 kids…” (45:07)
  • Nessie, unimpressed: “Well, it is quite a breath of fresh air to hear somebody speaking their mind in this town…” (46:30)
• Nessie invites both parties to Karen’s upcoming dinner, hoping for peace.

Dinner Party Showdown at Isabelle Restaurant (50:50)

• Karen hosts, rearranges the flowers, and hopes for sisterhood (50:50-51:30).
• Amanda and Juliet ride together, expressing dread at another Panthea confrontation (52:01-52:34).
• Small talk leads quickly into shade: Panthea quietly insinuates Amanda schemed in her divorces for financial gain (53:57-57:39).
• Amanda delivers her signature “death stare”, refusing to dignify Panthea’s gossip (57:39).

The Big Showdown: Juliet vs. Panthea

• Panthea offers an apology—to herself and everyone—for “saying it like it is”, and confesses she’ll never be fake (60:38-61:49).
• Juliet tries to hold Panthea accountable for public humiliation, Panthea doubles down on her accusations (62:00-63:55).
• Argument devolves into Shakespeare jokes, barbed insults about borrowed clothing, and calling each other fake (66:24-67:51).
  • Juliet: “What is this vendetta you have against me?...It was about a dentist!” (67:21-62:26)
• Despite this, the confrontation suddenly ends in a hug, to the relief of fellow diners and viewers (68:26).

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• Ronnie on Trixie Monocle’s songwriting:
  “Some of these songs… ‘Gas in a car. Cars go vroom. Cause there’s gas in them.’ It’s like, what the fuck is this song?” (05:41)
• Panthea’s mother, Shala, arrives in high camp fashion:
  Ben (as Shala): “What is this? Eyelashes? Everything on you is fake. It’s like dull. Nothing like a human being.” (09:56)
• Panthea’s trauma over betrayal, leading to her loyalty issues:
  “Maybe because my father left when I was 13 and my ex-husband lied every day of my life. I didn’t know he had four wives and 10 kids…” (45:07, Panthea)
• Amanda’s fearless response to gossip:
  “No, no, no, that’s not true.” (57:07, Amanda to Panthea)
• Ben, breaking down Panthea’s hypocrisy:
  “I love Panthea raging against fakery when she comes this party and she is like, so I heard this rumor, and you are so clever the way you got out with that money.” (59:53)
• Juliet’s devastating read:
  “Maybe you should [borrow clothes], you’d have a better wardrobe, by the way. I was like, finally, Juliet.” (66:41)
• Panthea’s apology (to herself):
  “Let’s just enjoy each other’s company for what it is and enjoy the moment. And what would it be? What would it be? I’m forgiven. You’re welcome.” (61:49, Panthea)
• Ronnie’s summary of the dinner:
  “I love when assholes come on TV and forgive themselves.” (60:38)
• Final thoughts:
  Ben: “I don’t like her [Panthea]. But, you know, I had no problem with what was happening, if that makes sense. You need someone awful on these shows to root against.” (69:15)

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Highlights by Timestamp

• Nostalgia, Bravo politics, and Trixie Monocle: 02:16–06:11
• Panthea & Her Mother: 07:09–14:16
• London Book Fair, Nessie & Juliet in Dinosaur Costume: 15:00–19:54
• Gossip at Amanda’s & Karen’s Family Dynamics: 26:24–32:47
• “Chinese Yoga” Pilates & the Art of Mortified Housewives: 33:34–36:05
• Panthea and Juliet’s Backstories: 43:23–46:52
• Dinner Party Face-Offs: 50:50–68:26

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Episode Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their signature mix of affectionate mockery, rapid-fire impressions, and witty meta-commentary, drawing on both deep Housewives knowledge and British social satire. Their language is irreverent, playful, and pointed—especially when lampooning self-serious housewives and faux-elegant pretension.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

If you skipped this one, you missed vintage Crappens: side-splitting banter, real-time British impressions, and a chaotic recounting of aristocratic absurdity. The Real Housewives of London is proving a goldmine for personality clashes and old-money takedowns, with Panthea emerging as a priceless (if divisive) reality villain. And as always, Ben and Ronnie’s recaps are the next best thing to watching the show itself—perhaps even better if you value sharp wit over awkward dinner parties.

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Listen for:

• The improvised Trixie Monocle “Pigeon on a Bench” song (05:47)
• Panthea’s self-righteous lunacy and maternal trauma
• Amanda’s not-so-hidden glee in squashing rumors
• The Juliet/Panthea “dentist fight” as a new Real Housewives franchise classic
• The British shade, drollery, and spectacular lack of self-awareness

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[Ronnie Caram]

What's going on with you?

[Ben Mandelker]

Not much, just, you know, approaching the end of the week, which is always exciting if you are new to these parts. We've got a patreon patreon.com watch for crappins where we have bonus episodes, newsletter ad, free listening video. It's all there. It's a whole world. So come join us over there. Today we are, we're, we're going across the pond over to London. Laser London is, we don't know if that's ever going to come back to us. We were given a gift with that show and I think there was such an uproar roar about it being put on pause that Bravo is like we gotta fix something. So they have thankfully given us real Housewives of London. Now, it does not make up for the fact that Ladies of London is on pause and we should have everything good, including LA London and Real Housewives of London. But in the meantime, I'm very happy that we have Real Housewives of London. And so we are here to recap the second episode of the season. What say you, Ronnie Caram?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, we did the first episode back when it came out originally on hey youy. And that was, I mean, 10 years ago. When did this come out?

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it was last summer.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, I could be wrong.

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it was last summer.

[Ronnie Caram]

I age like a dog. So seven years ago. And it was so funny. And we said, well, okay, we won't recap this unless it comes out on Bravo because, you know, most of our audience is a us audience. And then it came to Bravo. I'm so excited. And it was so nice to finally see the second episode because the first one really stuck with me for so long. That the first fight was about a child's dentist.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, it was. The first episode was so good. But we had this weird feeling that it might come to Bravo and I'm glad we held out for it because we thought a few times, like, maybe we should recap the whole show anyway and just put it on the bonus, you know, like, make it a Patreon exclusive. And we're like, you know what? We just think it might come to Bravo. And a year later it has. Now the next step is for Bravo to bring back Real Housewives of Melbourne. I don't care if the season four happened many years ago. What?

[Ronnie Caram]

Wait, oh, you mean Bravo, bring it back. I'm sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, yeah, I heard that Melbourne got

[Ronnie Caram]

renewed with only Gina as the OG returning.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

They're going to do a new Melbourne. But yeah, we haven't watched it since three.

[Ben Mandelker]

Since three. We watched the first three seasons. So I would love for that to come back as well. But anyway, enough about that.

[Ronnie Caram]

That was a good one. That was. That's one of the all time Housewives greats, Melbourne.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, it was great.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's a good show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, they. I think Bravo owes us that. So let's get back into it. We, by the way, in episode one, we dropped on our feed last week, so it's there. So go listen if you want to.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Also, the return of London also brought us the return of Trixie Monocle and Three Arm Octopus, our favorite band who creates music for these shows. She is back in full force. I mean, some of these songs she has on this show are so good. One of them was like, gas. Gas in a car. Cars go vroom. Cause there's gas in them. It's like, what the fuck is this song?

[Ben Mandelker]

What is it? She's inspired by everyday life. She's of the people.

[Ronnie Caram]

Look, the light says stop. So I stop my car. And then the light says green. And I move my car. It's a stop light.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's a pigeon on that bench. Quick, get me a pen. I've got. I've got inspiration. Okay, Here we go. 1, 2, 3, 4. Pigeon on a bench. Pigeon on a bench. She's a boss bitch pigeon. Cause she's a pigeon on a bench. The other pigeons on the sidewalk. She's on a bench.

[Ronnie Caram]

Why are you sitting down, pigeon? So his Season one episode two Betrayals and Body Tapping.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. So we start off at the park, and Juliet is with her husband Tiggy, and Portia the dog. And she is. She just got into a fight with Panthea about dentistry and borrowing clothes at what's her face is women of the year or women's international women's day. And so she's just sort of, you know, Juliet's wandering along. And then it's like, we lost our dog. And then we go over to Panthea's house, and Panthea is scolding her housekeeper for putting out extra plates for her mom, which is always great. We always love when the housewives scold their help. And you just see the help just looking like, I would get my revenge. Someday. Someday it will happen.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. This lady hates Panthea. Yeah. And I don't blame her. Panthea is a lot. She is a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is awful.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, oh, why are you putting out these plates for mom? Mom doesn't need these plates. These. My friend stole these when she went to the. The king queen's castle, and she stole these plates and she got sick. I stole six from her.

[Ben Mandelker]

Like, wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

They all brag about knowing the king or, like, being in proximity to the king. And it really cracks me up. Like, your friend went to a party at the castle, stole plates, and then you stole plates from your friend. Why are you bragging about that?

[Ben Mandelker]

That is so.

[Ronnie Caram]

You are so tacky. I'm embarrassed for you.

[Ben Mandelker]

Panthea is, like, wealthy, but. And she tries to act like a lady of wealth, but she is not. And she is really, really tacky. And she's, like, abrasive in a way that's great for reality tv and what's fun on a. On a London show is how you see all the other women just absolutely disgusted by her. But what's so interesting about this show is that Juliet Angus from Ladies of London, the original, will be a cast member on it. She's on the. The ensemble. She's on the title card, but we haven't actually met her on the show yet. And Juliet Angus usually fills this role. So I don't know how. I'm so interested to see how this show is basically going to be with two Juliet Angus's on it. It's going to be kind of a nightmare.

[Ronnie Caram]

Another lady named Juliet as well. So there's two literal Juliets and then another person that acts just like Juliet. So I thought that was interesting too, because she even looks similar to Juliet.

[Ben Mandelker]

She does a little bit, like, with a little Eva Longoria mixed in too. So Pantheon. She's awful.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's. I really don't really got theater kid energy. Like, she's really coming on. Like, look at me. I'm on a television show.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

And there is a lot of that on most of the cast, I think. Cause they are new, you know, and they're really just giving it their all. But she's especially like, girl, she's annoying. I'm expecting her to whip out some tap moves or something. She's a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's really annoying. And honestly, I'm gonna say this. I think her mom is annoying. I think she and her mom had a conversation beforehand about, like, what sort of scene they're gonna do because her mom, Shala, arrives and Shala is already doing, like, bad improv. She's like, what it you dress crazy? You. This is crazy. You put on eyelashes. Why do you have eyelashes on?

[Kat and Nat]

Whoa.

[Ben Mandelker]

This is crazy. I'm outrageous, aren't I?

[Kat and Nat]

What?

[Ben Mandelker]

This kitchen. Look at this kitchen. What are you doing in this kitchen? I was like, okay, okay. You want to have a little bit of a scene. This happens once in a while where, like, moms come on and they try to make a splash. You're like, okay, all right, Shala. Thank you. Take a seat.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like hypercritical a la MJ's mom, which I kind of do like. She's like a higher energy version, though, where she's like, oh, what is this? Eyelashes? Everything on you is fake. It's like dull. Nothing like a human being. It's like, my mom's not just a mom, she's a glamour.

[Ben Mandelker]

My mother is larger than life. My mother's very up and down. But then again, I'm very up and down. Too. So glamour. She's like, well, next time I'm gonna bring a knife. Because this knife is so dull. Crazy. I'm gonna bring a knife. And so anyway, Panthea tells us that ever since a young age, she's probably about 8 or 9. My mother made me stop calling her Mummy or mum. Cause she didn't want people to know that she was old enough to have a daughter. And I always thought I always had to call her Charlotte June. So Sharla is her name, and June means darling or dear. And it wasn't a nice feeling at nine to not be able to call your mom mummy or mom, but. But I guess I just got used to it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. She tells us about her kids. She's got three kids. One's going to boarding school. And it's the same boarding school that the princes went. Met went Prince William and Prince Harry. The royals have been to the same school and have Sienna. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

No, I was gonna say. When she said that, I was like, oh, don't tell Caroline Stanberry. She's gonna. She's gonna roll out her. I was sent to boarding school too young. And then, lo and behold, Caroline Stanberry shows up later in the episod. I should have known that this was gonna cause her to pop up on the tv.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a trauma that a lot of them have, I guess, because they all send their kids to boarding school. This one's got three kids and one. The first one, boarding school. Sienna, who's a weekly boarder. So I. She only goes to boarding school through Monday, Monday through Friday. And then Coco, who's the baby, who's now 8, who will be going to boarding school.

[Ben Mandelker]

What?

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, she has one year, I guess. So a lot of boarding school.

[Ben Mandelker]

That's a lot. So Panthea says, I have my girls home every weekend and my son home every other weekend. And my eldest son for my first marriage. So she has a son, 29, who's in America, and she sees him only about twice a year. And she just. She goes. For me, it's all about quality time rather than quantity time. She's like, meaning, I will see you for about six hours on a weekend child, and then you go away again and I can go back to flittering about.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, she spent most of the first episode in bed, like, fully glammed out, of course. But, you know, being like, I don't do anything. Isn't that hilarious? And so they're making. They're talking about boarding school and stuff, and how at Least they come home on the weekends and why don't you come see a mom? And the mom's like, oh, please, I have things to do on my weekend other than see children. I'm a glamour.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do wild and crazy things. So Panthea says, is my mom maternal? Not really. I remember once she called me up, it was my birthday and she called to talk about something. And then two hours later she called something else. And then three hours later she called something. I said, mother at one point, are you gonna say happy birthday? And she said, yeah, so what? I'm the one that gave birth to you. What did you do? Aren't I outrageous?

[Ronnie Caram]

That's kind of a good point. Actually. I'm surprised most. I'm surprised more parents don't make that, like, why am I buying you something on your birthday? I gave you life.

[Ben Mandelker]

Isn't that what Wendy's mom said? Something that. That effect. It was at the kids graduation party. She's like, why are you celebrating them? I was the one who created these children.

[Ronnie Caram]

So they tell Charlotte June that Sienna made nationals for cross country. And she's like, so who cares? I was champion at table tennis. There we go. There we have it. She's officially Vita.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is new Vita. So then Coco's like, teachella ever congratulate you? And Panthea's like, never. She never congratulated me. And she's like, what? And she's like, she never even came to my school plays. Why do you think I come to all of your school plays? And Charlotte's like, no, I'm not the type. I'm not going to waste my time. Why would I go see some awful 7 year old doing falsettos? Boring falsettos. I love that.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's a play at the boarding school. They're like, you know what we really need to do a three part musical comedy saga about aids.

[Ben Mandelker]

There's been a terrible mistake. We didn't. We thought it was about teaching aids.

[Ronnie Caram]

So we just cut out all of the AIDS parts.

[Ben Mandelker]

We just had to end that track too. We showed a little. A little squash scene and then we just ended it.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's now about the common cold. All right, child friendly. Five two is in a room washing the hands. Five. Sorry, that's a very for people don't

[Ben Mandelker]

know if all said, oh, there be like what I'm talking about.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay. So then we go to the London book fair and Nessie, who is our probably most uptight polite housewife, is very. She's like, the London book fair is the most important book fair in the entire world. It's for literary geniuses. Which is why I'm proud to announce my book, Cooking with Dinosaurs.

[Ben Mandelker]

They say that Shakespeare himself once reincarnated as a ghost and came to this fair just to release a new play. But it was in ghost form, so no one actually read it. But they say it's around here somewhere. Anyway, dinosaur cooking. Please enjoy.

[Ronnie Caram]

You understand that dinosaurs, they didn't have fire yet, right? Like, they couldn't.

[Ben Mandelker]

No.

[Ronnie Caram]

I mean, I guess this is supposed to be more fun for children, but

[Ben Mandelker]

I think it's how to cook dinosaur. I think it's how to cook dinosaurs.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, then I'm in.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz they'll, you know, they'll be back one of these days. You know, Jurassic park, that gave us the road map. And eventually we'll have brontosaurus roaming around. And then once we have the brontosauruses, then they'll be harvested for meat. You know how it goes. It'll be great.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everything old is new again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. At least for those of us who believe in dinosaurs. Unlike. Wasn't there someone on Bravo who didn't believe in dinosaurs? Someone that we liked? They were like, wait a second. Yeah, I do not know.

[Ronnie Caram]

There are plenty of people on Bravo who do not believe in dinosaurs.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, I don't remember.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bravo's not a channel. You want to say, like, do you believe the earth is round? Because you really just don't know the answers you're gonna get.

[Ben Mandelker]

It was someone.

[Kat and Nat]

Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

It was like someone. Oh, is that girl from Vanderpump Rules? It was the blonde girl, Audrey. Yeah. Who would have thought, Who'd have thought that someone from Vanderpump Rules would question science? So Nessie is really excited. She's, you know, because she, she says that aside from her cake company, she also has Cooking with Kids. And she's like, that's my social media channel. The children were fully integrated into the process of this. They were ground up and turned into pages. So no recipe has made it into the book without their say so. Which is why we have a recipe called Stupid dinosaur, I hate you. And it's just peanut butter that you throw at a wall. What can I say? It's a kids.

[Ronnie Caram]

I do not want to eat your kids cooking. That's period. I'm going to say that. Although I do like Nessie. I'm just. This is crazy. So she's meeting with her book person who has brought her the first copy of her book. So she's like, I'm going to cry just looking at it. Hold on. Something's about to come out. Am I crying? Do you see tears? No. Hold on. I'm feeling so many things. Guys, there is somebody. Something wacky happening. Somebody is walking through here in a dinosaur costume. Who could that be?

[Ben Mandelker]

It's Juliet. And Juliet is like, boo. Guess what? Your favorite Australian actress is here to be entertaining for you. So she's here. Juliet. Her whole thing was about. I remember in the first episode. I'm so sorry, everyone, because we watched the episode like a year ago. Her whole thing was that, like, there's something with Shakespeare with her. Wasn't there? Like, they named their daughter Ophelia. Her name is Juliet. They're, like, obsessed with.

[Ronnie Caram]

She named all of her children and pets after Shakespeare.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right.

[Ronnie Caram]

Characters.

[Ben Mandelker]

And those characters always end up in such good places by the end of the plays. You know, Ophelia, love her journey. Juliet herself, I mean, really came out on top of love to see what happened with Othello, you know, Richard iii, he. Really happily ever after. That's just what. These are the things I associate with all these. All these people.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, yeah. All. All signs of good luck for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Juliet's the one that is being accused of. She's been accused of being fake. That she's fake. And she is very like, hello, it's me dressed like a dinosaur.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, God.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's just wacky and hilarious. You have a book that is fascinating. Could. Can't wait to talk to you about. I'm so excited for your book, Nessie. So anyway, last part. That last part of that woman was a real. To me say, h. God.

[Ben Mandelker]

I mean, it's just. To me, it's just so horrifying that anyone who would be at a higher rung of British society would be fake. I mean, of all places. Of all places, there's nothing sacred anymore.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Nessie is also. Nessie can be pretty faked. They're all pretty fake on the show because they're, you know, like you said, it's polite society. And Nessie's like, this is fascinating to discuss as my first dinosaur book has been printed. Please do go on, Juliet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, and I just want to say one more point about the fakeness. It's just. It does call back to, like, Mark Francis on Ladies of London, who is of the mindset that, like, yeah, being fake is actually great. Like, it's totally like an American thing to be like, you are acting so fake. And he's like, well, why wouldn't I? I think it's actually so lovely to be fake. Yeah. So it's funny that Panthea.

[Ronnie Caram]

So she is just shocked because Panthea came to Women's day and just attacked her and, you know, accused her of not appreciating the child's dentist and then taking the child's dentist side when there was a problem. And Juliet's like, but darling, I mean, this was six years ago. Can you believe it? She's coming in with something. Six years ago. Six years ago. That dentist is six years old.

[Ben Mandelker]

I. I did not realize that at the time. That is really desperate. Panthea is desperate to be a reality star. It's just, I think. I think that's why I really am not into her, because she just is not effortless like my favorite ones.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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That's article.com crappins for $50 off your first purchase of $100 or more. So then we go back to Panthea's house, and she's talking to her husband Ed, who looks horrified to be on camera and maybe even horrified to be seen with his wife. And she's like, well, I told you about the Juliet situation. It's like, oh, yes. How are you feeling about the aftermath? Oh, well, look, I feel like she's fake. She is fake, Ed. Come on. She sees me at other parties, she ignores me. She cuts me out of her pictures, and then now she sees me at Amanda's and literally like, darling, you look so beautiful. Miss you. How have you been? And I was like, oh, my God, where did this even come from? It was literally like that edge.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, you're pretty fake though yourself, my friend. But that is hilarious. The addition of she sees me at parties and then she cuts me out of pictures. Yes, Team Juliet so far. So he's like, but you were friends once upon a time. Don't you remember, darling? You did hang out. And she's like, but then she double crossed me, Ed. Once twitten, once bitten, twice shy, three times. Not your dentist. Do you understand that? All right, she lies. She lies about everything. It triggers me, Ed. It triggers me. I, I. It triggers me when people lie.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes. Two things that get you are lying and people pretending to be things that they're not. That's the same thing, Ed. The other thing that triggers me is when people put the same bullet point twice in different wording. I'm so sorry, dear. I'm so sorry. I can't bear it. Just own it. Just say it. Their phoney's. Ed, does she. I have a question. When Panthea talks to her husband, does she end every sentence with Ed? Because I feel like that's all she.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she's just so intense and emphatic about everything. Come on, Ed. Come on. You know I'm saying the truth, Ed. You know it. Because Ed has that look on his face where he's like, darling, can we just not have a fight in public just for one night, please?

[Ben Mandelker]

Don't be so daft, Ed. So now we go back to blonde Juliet, and she's like, I would love to get to the depth of what has made her like this, and if I've had any part in triggering that, I will apologize and find out what it is. And Nessie's like, you're so gracious. She's like, just like I am inviting all those children to cook dinosaurs. It's like, yes, that's right. But she's a bit of a little bit of a loose cannon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, listen, Juliet, Karen has invited us all to dinner. How do you feel about coming along to the dinner, even though you know that Panthea will be there? Jack, listen, I just want it to get resolved. I don't want it to be awkward for anyone involved. Sorry. Just staying method for the children passing by.

[Ben Mandelker]

If she has any issues, we should discuss it. The problem is Panthea doesn't listen. Panthea speaks to you, and that's definitive. So Nessie says, well, how would you feel about me reaching out to Panthea to try to kind of resolve things? And she's like, listen, any avenue that she's going to be receptive to it, I'm happy we can go down that route. She's like, well, I will try and dig and find out what's going on. At the very least, I can. We can laugh about her being an insolent pig afterwards. Okay, go for it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then we go to Amanda's house. Amanda, Glamorous Amanda.

[Ben Mandelker]

Love Amanda, darling.

[Ronnie Caram]

Everyone knows who I am. I'm Amanda. I'm a bit of a myth.

[Ben Mandelker]

Meanwhile, the other ladies are like, yeah,

[Ronnie Caram]

Amanda's always in the papers, but she's clearly calling the papers, you know, she's like, clearly calling the gossip vlogs. It's like, everyone knows who I am. I'm myth Amanda, the only person with a beauty product made in London.

[Ben Mandelker]

She is so funny. She really is up her own ass. She's like. She really. She just had. Her whole vibe is hilarious to me. So she's like, I'm still thinking about how Panthea came to my women's day event. She came in, touched the joint and left. It was just embarrassing to do that at me, Amanda's house. I thought Julia handled it very well, but honestly, I'm not going to get involved. I'm going to stay out of it because I'm Amanda.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, look, I'm also one of the people watch me calling my stepdaughter Sophia. Aren't we just friends? Aren't we just girls? Sophia, tell me about schooling. That's hilarious. Sophia. All of my children tell me you're hilarious. You are the most hilarious person. They love me. They just call me cool mom. The only mum that people want to be around me normal Amanda.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, my daughter, my stepdaughter's 25 and being a young mum, there's not such a massive age gap between us. Only about two years or so. I had her very young. That's why if you do the math, you can see that I'm obviously 28 years old, by the way, Amanda is 57 and she's like, there's such a small age gap between me and Sophia at 25. Oh, it's so hard being a young mum. But then at the same time you can do cool things with each other like a TikTok or electric slides.

[Ronnie Caram]

There's a 22 year gap. In case anybody wasn't doing the math.

[Ben Mandelker]

I thought her daughter was.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, you're right.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, her daughter is basically the same age.

[Ronnie Caram]

Huh?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Her daughter is 20. Her daughter is 28. So that. Yeah, okay. The point is that she was acting like there's like, you know, she had like baby when, when she was like 15 or 16.

[Ronnie Caram]

Hey, in case anybody else wasn't doing the math out there, they are 76 years apart.

[Ben Mandelker]

Right. This is not Gilmore Girls. That's the point. And she's like being a young, hip, cool mom with a very small age gap. In fact, some would say it's the first time in London that the mother's actually younger than the daughter. It was the craziest bit of science, but it's true. I don't know, I just become a cool moment.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, it's just very difficult, you know, when you're basically the same age and you're having to say, tick tock. Just make sure your penmanship is good. On this application, you're using

[Ben Mandelker]

Sophie and so Sophie and Sophia, actually, I'm sorry, Sophia and sophia. Ones with pH1's with an F. Well, they're always like, mom, you are so funny. It must be because you're the exact same age as us. And I say it is because of that. Thank you.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So she's like, well, you know, it does get quiet on the weekends. You know, Sophie is away. Sophie's away. You're not here. The other Sophie is not here. There's no sort of man around anymore. During my divorce, I didn't see my kids for a while. Yeah, it was a while. I had to win them in the

[Ben Mandelker]

divorce, mainly because I was in the womb. I went back into the Womb and lost 10 years. So the age gap is completely reversed. It's. It's incredible what science can do.

[Ronnie Caram]

You know, I went to first grade. They were in preschool, right? Pre first. Very, very difficult.

[Ben Mandelker]

I didn't see my stepdaughters after, during our divorce, but that's mainly because I was at uni and they were at a different uni. And once we both graduated the exact same year, we were then reunited.

[Ronnie Caram]

But now that we're back, you know, it's just. I'm a person who loves bridges. I love bridges. You know, it's like the phoenix rising from the ashes. I love that concept.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love bridges. In Phoenix, Arizona, when I went and visited, I was like, let's just drive over this tiny bridge over and over again. Listen, there's not a bridge I don't love, whether it's Bow, Jeff or Lloyd. Give me all three.

[Ronnie Caram]

So then we go over to Karen at the nail salon with her daughters, the nail bar Jolin and Yovanna. Mm. So Karen, she's like, besties with her parents, with her kids, but she's like, you know, it's different. I'm different than how I was raised. I'm a very strict background, and with my children, I'm more open. We tell each other everything. We're like sisters sometimes. The last episode, she's like, we're redoing this house. The kids will have their own apartment, self contained. And she's like, so we're not. Do we get to come into this kitchen? She's like, no, you'll have your own kitchen. You won't need to come here into this house.

[Ben Mandelker]

We're not going to look at you. So she's talking about how she's strict and everything, and then she finds out that her younger daughter has been dating. And she's like, what? What? You're not allowed to date until you're 16. And by 16, I mean 34. What is wrong with you? Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, you're not allowed to date till you're 16, madame. So then she's telling us about her fashion line, and she's like, my samples have been approved. My clothes have all been shipped from manufacturers, and now it's just up to me to do social media for my clothing line. And her older daughter is very polite and sweet, but I Get a sense that she thinks her mother is obnoxious as hell because she's always just like, oh, wow, you've got your clothing line coming out. Wow, what passion. It must be a monumental moment for you mother.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, it is. She's like, and this is just the beginning. So then we go over to the Pilates studio and it's Amanda's there and Nessie and they're. They're going to do Pilates. And then Katie, who's like the friend of. She is actually their Pilates instructor, but they're not just doing Pilates, it turns out, so they're going to be doing something else entirely. It's going to be called Chinese yoga. Or actually that actually. I'm sorry, that's what, that's what they call it. But it's a. It's apparently what it's actually called is Qigong. And so now we get to see how Katie is going to probably bastardize. Whatever this is. Yes, whatever.

[Ronnie Caram]

Definitely one of the times where you're like, oh God, thank God this show is not an American show. Like, we don't have to, you know, you don't feel that need to be like, oh God, sorry, other countries. Yeah, how we're, you know, imitating you over here or whatever. Because she's like, welcome. This is basically Chinese yoga. All right, Smack yourselves on the wrist and start going. I was like, oh, no, no, this is some white lady for sure.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's tapping, obviously.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's doing basic tapping, but she's added in all these sounds and stuff. And she's like, we must smile big to the heavens and say, you know, she's making all these noises like, oh God, it's funny.

[Ben Mandelker]

Cuz last episode I remember thinking, God, you know, this Katie woman seems great. Why didn't they make her like a full time cast member? And then we cut to this scene of her being like. I was like, okay, she, meaning she botched it. She. The producers were like, yeah, we're not having this lady as a full time. So they do this whole exercise and, and all the Real Housewives are mortified. You can see them. They're like, we are not doing this on camera. They're just sort of like swaying back and forth and sort of moving. But like, no one's really, really doing. It's only Katie's the only one who's like into it. And then they finally like sit down and now it's time to gossip.

[Ronnie Caram]

I was cracking up at Amanda though, because they're all looking around like, this is so stupid and crazy. This doesn't make any sense. But Amanda's like, you know, Chinese medicine for me, I lean into it probably more for stress. During my divorce, during that stressful time, I lost everything. I lost a lot of. So, God, thank you for Chinese yoga. Rita came in. You stop it. You did not.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Amanda's like, so how did you all like my women's day party? You're welcome, everyone, for being invited. And Katie is like, well, I thought it was amazing. And Nessie is like, well, what did you think? And then Amanda's like, well, I thought it was a lovely party. Thank you so much me for inviting me. And obviously I've not seen another woman lay into another woman like that before my life. And then that whole layering of the stuff on top of it just was so unpleasant. Like borrowing clothes. That's just a little bitchy for me. But what do I know? I'm just some earnest member of generation Z.

[Ronnie Caram]

I guess it's just another thing that kids don't understand. Am I right? When she was talking about this us cracking up? Because they show the coming this season at the end of last episode, and they should just show Amanda being so nasty with people, and at one point they're at some castle or something and she's like, you shut up, you pea brained, you dumb idiot. Just the phrasing cracked me up so much and that she's like, oh, I've never before seen a woman lay into another woman like that. Crazy, isn't it? And so they're like, yeah, that lady seemed. Everyone else is kind of agreeing with her. And Karen's like, well, from my observation, Panthea wears her heart on her sleeve, you know, and she explained everything, and it seemed like she was more loyal to Juliet than Juliet was to Panthea. So for Panthea, maybe it's loyalty. At the end of the day, you get nothing for nothing. So she's team Panthea. And as we find out later, it's just because Panthea's at least interesting. You know, she's like, she's at least fucking funny. She'll say anything.

[Ben Mandelker]

But Nessie is not. Nessie is team Juliet. So Nessie is like, well, I would say that Juliet's really loyal. She did dress up like a dinosaur and walk around the best book show in the entire world for three hours until she found my booth. That's loyalty right there. I've known Juliet for years, and Juliet's never been the person to shout over someone else. And when her time comes, she would explain everything.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And Karen's like, well, I'm not gonna judge Pantheon. Make her look vulgar. I can't do that. She's like, no, but I don't know Panthea. So I'll continue to judge her. I think she's vulgar in my mind. Thank you. I make cakes.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Nessie's just basically like, yeah, I just think that Juliet needs the floor. Yes, she does. And Karen says, I just hope the girls can come to a good reserve at my dinner party. But I think that Pantheon and Juliet are just gonn kick off again. So maybe that's just wishful thinking. At which point we now go over to Jimmy Choo, and we see Juliet, and she's meeting up with none other than Caroline Stanbery. Fresh off the traitors. At least for us, traitors hadn't happened when this film. But whatever. She is here, and she's here to shoot a scene.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, hello, it's me, Caroline. Your store is disgusting. Thank you. I will take a glass of champagne.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Juliet's like, my good friend Caroline's here from Dubai. We go way back. Caroline was a friend with my husband even before I met Caroline. And, you know, I think it was her. Jerry Hellwell, my husband. They would go out to the clubs all the time, and we have a lot of laughs and a lot of history together. One time she came to my house and said, this place looks disgusting. So many laughs that we had that day.

[Ronnie Caram]

I thought it was funny that she's like, oh, me and this woman, oh, we're so tight. Y' all got the memories. Yeah, my husband knew her. They would go out with Jerry Hallowell. That's not your memory. You're trying to make that sound like it's your memory. There was a sense in here of ladies of London. You remember how that one lady knew? Why am I blanking on her name? The main lady, our favorite one. Caroline's like, oh, yeah, I knew your husband. Huh? Oh. Oh, no.

[Ben Mandelker]

New ladies of London.

[Ronnie Caram]

Just ladies of London.

[Ben Mandelker]

The newer ladies of London, Kimmy.

[Ronnie Caram]

Where she knew the husband and she was more friends with the husband, and we never got to see how that's gonna grow into a beautiful flower as the years go on.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Seriously. So Caroline's just there to shoot a scene, and she's just happy to. And, you know. But Juliet's talking about how her daughter and Yasmine also started university together. Yasmin is Ophelia. And Yasmin. Ophelia's Julia's daughter. Yasmin is Caroline's daughter, as we know. And so they're just, like, catching up and everything. And basically Juliet's like, well, she's. She's like, I don't know why I'm talking about. You know, I left. I left home at 12 and 12 and a half. And just. It's just so different with boarding schools these days. Caroline's like, well, I left home at 6. I was sent to boarding school, and it was terrible. Let me tell you about all the ways I was terrified. They put me in a brown uniform every single day, wearing brown. Could you imagine? Hold on one second. My husband is calling really quickly. I'm sorry, what were we talking about?

[Ronnie Caram]

It was awful. It was this cold stone building and everyone's shoes. I mean, you'd look at the bottom. No one had red on the bottom. I mean, you can't even find a shoe today without red on the bottom. Just look around you here. It was utter poverty and misery.

[Ben Mandelker]

If it were anyone else, I would laugh, but it was me, so it was terrible.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Juliet's like, oh, my God, you went to boarding school at six. Go. You were really not loved, girl. I'm joking. Why. Why are you not laughing? I don't laugh.

[Ben Mandelker]

So then Julia tells us that she went to music, ballet, drama school. She's like, lady Diana went there, and Jane Seymour went there, and also the British lady in the Taste of Choice commercials. So, I mean, it's got an amazing history with some of the best training in the world. And we just see, like, young Juliet being an actress, which is exactly how we'd imagine it to be. Like, probably singing songs on a lute at Ren Fairs and stuff.

[Ronnie Caram]

And now Ophelia's about to leave the near Sue. So I just want to, like, grab my children, hold on to them, and never let them go. So, anyway, do you know Amanda? You know, you know a girl named Amanda? She's like, of course I know Amanda.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's. She's doing okay. I mean, no man at this point. So, I mean, how okay can she really be? Am I right? I think she's kind of taking her time. It's probably the first time she's been single, I'm sure. Caroline's like, well, she had one of the biggest divorce settlements in the uk and she did really well. She's an icon.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, good on here. You know, I suppose if you're going to have to divorce, you want to come out. Well, yes, exactly. Can I try these in 18 different sizes? Just because I can. Poor person. Thanks.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, I guess the only step left for. For Amanda is to marry a 28 year old man with no brain and still does not understand where babies come from. Okay, well, it's been fun shooting a scene with you. I'll see you another 10 years.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Caroline's like, well, was the divorce good enough that she could date someone half her age and keep him in fresh clothes and filters? I didn't think so. Nice try, though. Juliet.

[Ben Mandelker]

So now we go over to. Now we go over to the Sabine rooftop bar, and it's time for Nessie and Panthea to have a conversation to get to know each other a little bit. So, Panthea. Nessie's telling us Panthea's mercurial. She's unpredictable. So I'm going in with a little bit of trepidation. That's why I've chosen a public space, because what's the worst that could happen?

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, okay. You know most of the atrocities in the world have happened in public spaces, right?

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

A lot can happen in public spaces. Don't read the news. So Panthea is like, well, I presume you asked me for lunch because I know that you're very good friends with her and you just wanted to air things out.

[Ben Mandelker]

All right. All right.

[Ronnie Caram]

On game. Go ahead.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, well, Juliet is a good friend of mine, and I saw. Upset you. She was by everything. And then I didn't see you for the rest of the party, and I just thought it'd be nice to get to know you and see if you're just as awful as you seem to be the first time around.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, here's the thing. I hate bad vibes, or I hate them. And I let that. Meanwhile, she's the one who came in and started shit from the very beginning and then, like, stormed out. She's like, yeah, I just hate bad vibes. And I left that night. I didn't want to make a scene. And I was just feeling. When somebody's fake, it just triggers me. I just hate fake people. Isn't that right, Ed? Come on, Ed. It was triggering. Ed.

[Ben Mandelker]

Nursey's like, do you think that she was overly nice? I feel like that's how she is generally every day. She's like, well, she was. You know, I see through it. Juliet. Okay, I understand that she can be very good friend to you, but she has done things to harm me. For me, betrayal is everything. It's the loyalty and it's the trust. She's like, but you've got to admit you came in guns blazing. It was toxic behavior. And she was shocked. Everyone was shocked. You can't just leave a trail of destruction. Do you. Do you think it's, like, beyond Juliet? Like, how come Juliet has that impact on you? Do you have a traumatic backstory that you could use right now?

[Ronnie Caram]

Because when people lie and they cheat. They lied and they cheated. You're talking about a dentist. Someone barked, a dentist, for Christ's sake. She's like, I have a loyalty issue. Maybe because my father left when I was 13 and my ex husband lied every day of my life. I didn't know he had four wives and 10 kids. And, you know, three months after being pregnant, he got somebody else pregnant. I mean, so forgive me. He's just like, oh, what?

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, wow.

[Ronnie Caram]

My husband. I've. Sorry. I just found out my husband had multiple wives and 80 children. Excuse me for living.

[Ben Mandelker]

So that's why I don't like liars.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's why I don't like when someone takes the dentist that I recommended and then takes their side. When I was trying to fight with the dentist about how much they were billing me for cavities

[Ben Mandelker]

before Ed, I got married very young at 21, but that relationship, I thought that was real love. And it all came crashing down. His ex wife called me to tell me that she's pregnant whilst I had just had a baby. So this guy was a bit phony. And so I felt my world had crumbled. And to be a single mother with a. With a son, I had to keep that smiling, that happy face. And when you see a happy face, you see happy teeth. And when you don't get good teeth, it obviously is going to trigger a lot of trauma. Don't you understand? Now dentists are triggering for me.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, it is quite a breath of fresh air to hear somebody speaking their mind in this town. So I'll give you that. And I'm so glad that we're sitting here together. Do you ever wonder what the salad would taste like if it was made out of T. Rex?

[Ben Mandelker]

Nessie is so uninterested in Panthea. She has no respect for her. And she's like, ugh, this woman's awful. So, yeah, of course, the way she

[Ronnie Caram]

says, I don't like your honesty.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love that you can speak your mind. Her like, her way of saying, I hate this is saying, I really feel for her. To go from being in love with someone to finding out that they betrayed you, to then being a single mother, that is such a huge amount to undertake at such a young age. And now that I've established that, in spite of that, I still don't think it's warranted such a public humiliation of Juliet. She has to let that go.

[Ronnie Caram]

Clearly you have some kind of respect for each other, otherwise you wouldn't feel the way that you do. So that said, Karen's hosting a dinner. Would you be willing to come and move on in respect? And she's like, well, I'll be honest. That I can do. I'll get it off my chest. I mean, listen, let's just agree to disagree because I know I'm right. We can move on. Who cares? Just me. Chill, chill. Panthea.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, exactly. Commercials.

[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

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[Ronnie Caram]

Get ready for a raw inside look at her world, balancing family, friends, career and chaos. No apologies, no holding back.

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[Ronnie Caram]

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[Ben Mandelker]

Watch the new series House of Stasi. New episodes Wednesdays on Freeform and streaming on Hulu. So now everyone's getting ready for Karen's dinner party, and we go to Isabelle restaurant, and Karen is like, no one throws a dinner party like me. When I'm throwing a dinner party, I go all out. Isabelle is the perfect place for the dinner party. I love their private room downstairs. They do good caviar. Everything about Isabella is on the tea baby. And so then she goes in there, and then she promptly rearranges their flower arrangements. She's like, no, put this enormous wall of flowers right in the middle of the table so no one can see over it and look at each other's faces there.

[Ronnie Caram]

I've done everything. I love when they do that. They're like, I did this entire party myself. And they walk in, they're like, I moved a flower.

[Ben Mandelker]

I do the best parties. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Panthea comes in and she's like, oh, my God, what a place. And Karen loves her. She's like, she's funny, she's loud. She's got a lot to say, you know, I like her vibe, I like her energy. I could really see us being friends, but I wouldn't say a dentist with her.

[Ben Mandelker]

And then Amanda and Juliet are in a car together, and Amanda's like, how are you feeling about tonight? Are you looking forward to it? And she's like, well, obviously I'm a little anxious about my last Meeting with emphasia. I mean, there was a lot of shouting. It was shaming. It was pretty shocking, to be honest. And Amanda's like, well, it's just not

[Ronnie Caram]

conducive to being in a group with elegant women.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's not. And so she's like, you nailed that on the head. So the bit's like, well, maybe you can move on.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So blonde Juliet's like, well, I hope we don't have another Jekyll and hoard moment with her. So now we go back to the restaurant, and they arrive, and everybody's, you know, giving each other sweet little hellos. And Juliet's wearing this cheetah print dress that kind of is almost like it's a party dress. I thought it was cute. And Panthea's like, oh, of course. Juliet's a bit overdressed, as usual. How is she overdressed? She's not dressed nicer than anybody else.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah, she looks pretty consistent. So, of course, Karen seats Juliet and Panthea across from each other. And so Panthea is like. She's like, Karen literally has my name on the card opposite Juliet. I don't want to be staring her eyes the whole time. So then Karen gives a speech saying that she hopes that they can all move forward because it's a sisterhood, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So they all.

[Ronnie Caram]

I feel like that's aimed at me. Am I right, girls? Am I right? They're like. So now they're making small talk, and someone's like, oh, is that. What kind of fish is this? Does it have the skin on? And Amanda's like, oh, I thought you were talking about this fish on the skin. The sperm facial. All right, ladies. Not that I would know about that. I'm not quite old enough to get one of those.

[Ben Mandelker]

I've only learned my letters a few days ago. I'm afraid to say I'm seven years old. So Nessie is tells a story about how she met her. Her husband Remy. And she talks about how, you know, like, we're not. We are. We're celebrating 19 years. I met him when I was 22. We met on a train platform and then turned into a date, and the date turned into a brunch, and then brunch into drinks, and drinks turn into dinner. And then she's like, your place are mine. And then he came over, and the rest is basically history. And they're all like, whoa. Wow. It's always the quiet ones. Look out.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. So then Karen is asking Amanda if she's Dating. And she's like, I go on dates from time to time when mommy and daddy allow it. And she's just kind of squinting at everybody, which is really funny. And then Karen's like, but any special person? And she's like, well, you know, people are interested in me. Of course that's not an issue. But, you know, I am taking my time, girls.

[Ben Mandelker]

I did match up on Raya with Peter Davidson, So I've heard that people are shipping us, as they say. So I don't know. It's a young person thing.

[Ronnie Caram]

And she told us in the first episode that she's been dating the other guy from Wham. Yes, whatever that guy's name is.

[Ben Mandelker]

The other Wham.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like, you know me, Andrew Rigley, always somebody. Famous celebrity, rock stars. You know, the other guy from Wham. That's right. I'll wait until the applause is done.

[Ben Mandelker]

You know, when I think about my dating life, there's been a lot of erasure. Literally. I've dated all the members of Erasure. I think they're all gay, but it was fun while it lasted.

[Ronnie Caram]

So Panthea is like, oh, there's a lot of butter around Manda. She's got two divorces, I've heard, and her husband apparently was worth a hundred million dollars. Oh, she got a very good settlement. And some people say 20, some people say 50 million. I mean, you don't really know. Some people are just so clever. I'm the only one that gets out of a marriage and leaves with nothing. And.

[Ben Mandelker]

And by the way, what led up to her saying that is that Pantheo is talking to Amanda and she goes, well, you've. I mean, you've had the experience of being divorced twice, so you definitely know what you don't want. And Amanda just, like, nods and gives this smile like you cut fitness and. Yeah, laser eyes. Like, yeah, this is Amanda's superpower, is that she can smile and squint her eyes and just give the nastiest, coldest look at someone. And she does it to Panthea about five or six times in this entire scene here. So then Amanda is like, yes. Well, in my divorce, it was tricky. And I kept my daughter's status, you know, to the expense of a lot of things I was doing. And so Pantheon's like, well, I heard. I know you don't like rumors, but people do hear rumors. And I heard that you were so clever that you made your ex husband because he doesn't have any heirs, he doesn't have any children's stuff, right? And Amanda's just.

[Ronnie Caram]

No, no, no, no, that's not true.

[Kat and Nat]

That's.

[Ronnie Caram]

That's not true, actually.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Just staring like, oh, so he does have heirs, does he?

[Ronnie Caram]

I have two stepchildren, actually. Yeah. So that's not. Oh, I heard the opposite. Well, see, this is why you shouldn't listen to rumors. I heard you made him adopt your daughter. Oh, my gosh. You are so gauche. Like, I'm an American. Okay. Yeah, I'm an American in sweatpants who will probably go get McDonald's french fries after this. And you are so gauche. Like, I can't. I'm embarrassed.

[Ben Mandelker]

I am mortified. So Amanda is just giving her this face. Like, I mean, it's so amazing. Just this steely eyed rage face that she's giving. And so. So then Panthea's like, is that not true what I heard? Is it not true? Okay, well, at least I said it, everyone. At least I got it out there because I got out what I heard. There you go. I'm honest. I heard something and I said it. I reported to report Panthea. And Amanda's just like, yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

Juliet's like, well, we've all heard the stories, but Panthe is only the one who's going to bring it up to make people uncomfortable at a dinner table. There's just no filter weather. So she's like, well, it's good that I said it, right, guys? And Amanda's like, no, no, no. Look, he was the father figure, of course, but no, that story's not true. We have to. Three children. I have three children. I have two stepchildren and one child. And she's like, oh, so you're still very good friends with them even though you divorce their father. Really? Really?

[Ben Mandelker]

And Amanda's like, well, I. Yes, I. Well, yes, I'm very close to the children. It's hard not to when your age gap is only about three months. I mean, it was. It was an amazing birth. So Panthea's like, that's nice. That's really so sweet. Wow. Yeah. Wow. And she's like, yeah. So Amanda's like, if Panthea doesn't know the truth from the untruth because she listens to the. All the gossip and passes it on. I don't think anyone said anything. I think it's Panthea causing all the trouble, getting attention, gossiping.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's a bit immature. And Chavy really called her a chav.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, it's not good.

[Ronnie Caram]

It's like a. Like a Hick, basically.

[Ben Mandelker]

So Amanda's like, I have a red line when it comes to gossip. It's 100. A red line. I will not listen to gossip. Or as I like to call it, careless whispers.

[Ronnie Caram]

Oh, yeah. She only said she hates gossip because she knows that people gossip about her. I mean, there's no smoke without fire. And Amanda, there's a lot of stuff. Smoke coming off that one.

[Ben Mandelker]

I love Panthea raging against fakery when she comes this party and she is like, so I heard this rumor, and you are so clever the way you got out with that money. Well, I'm so gl. Oh, oh. So these are all rumors and there's. Oh, okay. I'm glad you cleared that up. I'm so glad. Now we know the truth. This is wonderful. And then in our confessional, she's like, that. That bitch. She has the money, and where there's smoke, there's fire, and it's all true. So, like, who's the fake one now?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. And so, of course, Panthea now is like, well, it's the Iranian new year, so bad vibes out the window. It's a new slate. Let bygones be bygones. Let's move forward. It's you, though. You're the asshole. I love when assholes come on TV and forgive themselves.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. They do that all the time. And in fact, she does it right here again. She goes, now if I can just take a moment. I was like, another moment. Okay, sure. She's like, firstly, I would like to apologize, Amanda, because you very kindly invited me to your house that you only have because you divorced two times from someone and force one of them to adopt your child. And I feel like. I don't know my. That outpouring at your party. I'm not making excuses, and I'm just the realest person that you know. And, you know, I just say it as it is, and out of everybody on the. At this table, the person that to me was more of a friend and you know, that we shared some beautiful memories together was you, Juliet.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, oh, God, I know you're thinking, this crazy girl, she sees me about now, she's like, had this out, but it was just. I can't stand the fakeness. Do you understand? And I hate the saying, like, let's agree to disagree. I mean, but in this case, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I mean, look at her. She's in a borrowed dress. I mean, God bless her. God bless. So you know what? We're never gonna pretend to be best friends, but let's just enjoy each other's company for what it is and enjoy the moment. And what would it be? What would it be? I'm forgiven. You're welcome.

[Ben Mandelker]

I know. Well, that sells that. Shall we move on? I was like, wait, what? You just had the entire burying the hatchet conversation with yourself?

[Ronnie Caram]

Yes. And so Blonde Juliet's like, I'm happy to move on, but I think you need to take responsibility for the way that you came at me. I mean, that episode that we talked about, he'd said it had been resolved, and then, you know why we disagreed. It wasn't about one party being right and one party being wrong. It was about a dentist. A dentist being ripped apart in the public forum. I just can't stand by while dentists are dismembered.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, but on social media. I've got something to say. I've got something to say. Okay, Mom, I've got something to say.

[Ronnie Caram]

I'm still talking, though. I'm still talking, though. It was a character assassination. And, you know, it was a lot. It was a lot.

[Ben Mandelker]

Wait, I believe the. Sorry, Ronnie. The exact quote was an emotional bamboozle attack. It was an emotional bamboozle attack, just like in Shakespeare.

[Ronnie Caram]

Okay, Because I'm not a person. That's nice. Nice. Okay, but if someone, you know I'm a person, that I'm nice. Right? Like, look, everyone here is like, what? A nice person. All right? But if somebody comes across my family or me, that's it. I see red. Oh, my God. The dentist filled some cavities in your kid's mouth. So her big argument is she sent her kid to the dentist. The kid went in to get his teeth fixed. He had a chipped tooth. He came back without his tooth fix and said, oh, she didn't have the right dye or whatever, plaster, but she did. I did have all these cavities. And then she got pissed and was like, hey, what are you filling all these cavities? I didn't okay you to do cavities. What the hell? So she's accusing the dentist of basically ripping her off. So she goes on social media and lets the dentist have it and calls her a crook or whatever. We don't see the Post, but apparently she went on and slandered her all over social media. And Juliet said, that's not cool. This dentist is a nice person. And now she's like, you came for my family with that dentist. Yeah.

[Ben Mandelker]

It's like. It's so ridiculous. So then so now. But then what happens is Juliet is like, that was not six years ago, Panthea. She's like, panther's like, I see red. But it was six years ago. She's like, you rolled me up. You stood and you said, darling, sweetie, it was so fake. Riled you up. Like, Juliet walked into the party and said hello. And Panthea was like, oh, so we're gonna be fake? That's fine. I'm like, she literally just said hello to you. Yeah.

[Ronnie Caram]

She's like, well, you were so warm when you said hi. And she's like, yeah, I was saying hi. It's like, no. The point is, do you want to move on from here or not? It's like, oh, my gosh, six years ago. Or I'm sorry that six years ago I disappointed you as a friend. I'm so, so sorry.

[Ben Mandelker]

Amanda now has her knife, and she's using it as a mirror as she reapplies, like, pink lip gloss. And she's like, bored. I'm bored. So then Panthea is like, juliet, me and you. Which it's already. She's like, so Julia, Panthea is pretending like she is a lady of certain distinction, but she's. She's here at this restaurant going, me and you are never gonna be really good friends. It's like, oh, God. Amanda is just sitting there, plates in her purse, common her

[Ronnie Caram]

so tacky.

[Ben Mandelker]

She could start thinking about the best little pies and whatever. Yeah, whatever. The song is left.

[Ronnie Caram]

Meat pies in London.

[Ben Mandelker]

I'm like, whatever the town is.

[Ronnie Caram]

And Juliet's like, can I finish? She goes, no, no. Because, like, we're in a group, and that's just like. I would like to hear what Juliet has to say. Guys, Juliet needs the floor. So she's like, you say that I'm fake, that I make up lies. She goes, you do, but go on, go on, Go on. Then. I love when you speak. Go ahead, speak.

[Ben Mandelker]

No more hecklings.

[Ronnie Caram]

Exactly. Exactly. Liar. Fake. Liar. Faker. Why don't you be faker? Be faker to me, please.

[Ben Mandelker]

People of my young generation are very stressed. We had to go through the pandemic. That's when we got our schooling. Don't stress us out more. Stop heckling. I love that.

[Ronnie Caram]

No heckling. No heckling, please. Juliet's like, what do you want from me? Okay? You came into this party, you degrade me. And she's like, but it's not degrading if you're admitting that at your age you borrow clout clothes. Why can't we just admit that you borrow clothes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Juliet's like, oh, my. So is there an issue about borrowing clothes? You can. You can borrow these clothes anytime you want. It's like what Duncan said to Macbeth. Take my armor, please.

[Ronnie Caram]

Well, I've never borrowed clothes in my life. You were literally bragging about stolen plates from the. From the castle two seconds ago.

[Ben Mandelker]

Oh, I know.

[Ronnie Caram]

Come on. And Juliet's like, well, maybe you should. You'd have a better wardrobe, by the way. I was like, finally, Juliet.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yes, thank you. Then Juliet's like, you know, I think that she probably peaked in the 2000s, and she's just sticking with it. But, like, can we be a bit current? I was like, there we go. Love it.

[Kat and Nat]

Yes.

[Ben Mandelker]

Finally.

[Ronnie Caram]

I love the transition from, like, being victimized by this person to, like, fighting fire with fire. And so Panthea's like, oh, you're an actress, Juliet. This is your Oscar stage. Look at Juliet, everyone in her borrowed costume. She's like, oh. And there you are, character assassinating me again.

[Ben Mandelker]

Well, you. But you buy your Instagram. Like, she's like, okay, well, what are you talking about? You're going so low, Panthea. Do you realize how low you're going? I came here to try and resolve. How can we resolve? So then they just, like. They're talking, talking, and they're. They're going at it. And Juliet's like, what is this vendetta you have against me? Okay? And this is, like one of these fights where they're going at it, going at it, going at it. And then, like, all of a sudden, he, like, pivots to, like, resolution out of nowhere.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah, well, Juliet gets up to do a storm off, and everyone's like, oh, God, no. Jesus, you've taken enough of this dinner. You two just sit back down. Please don't walk off. Please. Yeah, so she comes back in and continues arguing with her standing up, and she goes, okay, then I apologize for letting you down in our friendship, if that's what triggered you. But I'm just struggling, like, how do I even make. Make this right? And she's like, all right, well, look, the good bit of you. We've had good bits. Let's just hold our hands, choose the good bits, and try and make this work. Let's hug across the table. Okay, but it's all good, everybody.

[Ben Mandelker]

She's like, I hate fake people. So my. My answer to this is that let's pretend like the bad stuff isn't there, and let's only focus on the good stuff because we're going to have a sincere relationship based off of that. It's literally fakery. So then they just kind of, like, resolve and they go and they hug and even the wait staff is like, oh, thank God. They're all, like, laughing and cheering in the background.

[Ronnie Caram]

So, I mean, this is only their second episode and this panthea is really obnoxious as fuck, but, I mean, she's making stuff move along. I mean, I normally don't like the ones, the people on reality shows who are just like, oh, gotta move the plot forward. So I'm gonna start some shit like every other turn. But I don't know. I. I was laughing.

[Ben Mandelker]

I was laughing. I don't like her. But I, you know, I had no problem with what was happening, if that makes sense. I was like, oh, in this feud, I'm taking Juliet sight side because the pan is like, obviously doing the reality star thing, but, like, you know, you need to have these awful. You need to have someone awful on the shows to root against. So I'm. I'm totally fine with it.

[Ronnie Caram]

Yeah. Well, it'll be interesting to see where this goes. Everybody, thank you so much for being with us. We will be back tomor with some Real Housewives of Orange County.

[Ben Mandelker]

Yeah. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie Caram]

Bye.

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