#3486 RHOC S20E04 Part Two: Boxed Whine

Summary

Watch What Crappens – Episode #3486 Recap

Episode Title: RHOC S20E04 Part Two: Boxed Whine
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Release Date: July 31, 2026

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Overview

In this lively installment, Ben and Ronnie continue their hilarious, sharp-tongued breakdown of The Real Housewives of Orange County Season 20, Episode 4 ("Boxed Whine"). The duo roasts the cast’s latest drama, including designer handbags, real estate pettiness, whale watching adventures, and the now-iconic "Friend in a Box" game. As always, the humor is savage but affectionate, with the hosts unmasking the emotional games and social power plays that drive Bravo's flagship franchise.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jen, Tamara & Carmela’s Purse-Gate at blk (02:16–15:00)

• Dior Bag Drama: Jen meets up with Tamara and Carmela for drinks. The conversation turns to Emily’s birthday party and Carmela's generous Dior bag gift to Emily. Jen notes, "[Gina] didn't take care of this quickly enough. So [Emily] goes, 'Thank you so much for the bag... but I'll tell you, Gina’s been very vocal about it. Oh, Gina really hates you now because you gave me that bag.'" (04:12)
• Motive-Shaming: The hosts mock how the OC cast is unique for "rich-shaming" (07:12) — begrudging rather than celebrating Carmela’s expensive taste and generosity.
• Carmela’s Justification: Carmela defends herself, saying, "To accuse me of having an ulterior motive. That’s gross." (05:34) She explains gifting habits and the price of the purse, which leads to the group critiquing her $35k/month rent.

2. Real Estate Rivalry: Carmela vs. Gina (08:12–14:11)

• Expertise Battle: Carmela describes her work at the Oppenheim Group, emphasizing her development skills and nearly $100M in sales. The hosts juxtapose her credentials with Gina’s real estate efforts for comedic effect: "Carmela selling homes with infinity pools and Gina selling them with infinity mold." (13:36)
• Work Trauma as PR: The hosts riff on Carmela tying her real estate ‘flips’ to her own trauma: "She is very good at writing a hero story." (09:35)

3. Whale Watching with the Trace Amigas (14:12–20:26)

• Boat Outing Antics: The group embarks on Captain Dave's Dolphin and Whale Safari. Heather is mocked for being overdressed (in Louis Vuitton rubber shoes), and Vicki is her wacky self.
• Quote: "Are we going to squeeze the whales until fresh caviar comes out?" – Emily (15:37)
• Vicki’s Antics: The hosts joke about Vicki reuniting the Trace Amigas and always looking for a reason to be shocked or offended, especially when she can't control the group dynamic at sea.

4. Party Prep & The Friend in a Box Game Setup (23:01–30:01)

• Tamara’s Taco Party: Shannon helps Tamara decorate for her party, which Gina finds suspicious, suspecting Shannon is being fake about boundaries (24:40).
• Heather’s Boundaries: When asked if Carmela is coming, the cast contemplates her real estate legitimacy. Gina snarks that Carmela is "just renting a place to be filmed," fueling more drama about authenticity (26:34).

5. Games as Weapons: "Friend in a Box" (30:12–44:47)

• Arts & Crafts with a Side of Shade: The cast decorates boxes to anonymously slip notes about each other. Ronnie observes: "I love the idea of sitting around and bedazzling and decorating your boxes... only to use those boxes to weaponize rage and grievances against everyone else." (30:55)
• Notable Boxes:
  • Vicki gets called a "Debbie Downer," sparking protest. "I'm not a Debbie Downer. I take offense to that. I've got very different facets of who I am. I'm also a sex shamer and, you know, all sorts of things. Internal misogynist..." – Vicki/Emily parody (37:05)
  • Heather is named "social bestie" but gets mired in conflict with Jen over accusations of being obsessed with Tamara. This reignites last season’s drama.
  • Jen: "Don’t come to my house and sit on my couch and tell me how you’ve never had a buddy... and then turn it on me and say I’m obsessed with her. No, I just want to know who you are." (28:49)
  • The boxes devolve into arguments about loyalty, boundaries, and old wounds. As Heather says, "All I've heard tonight is you talking, and you've talked a lot." (40:41)
• Tamara Instigates: The hosts delight in Tamara’s unmistakable puppeteering, getting others to spar while she stays above the fray: "This is weird that Tamara's refusing to be triggered. It's Tamara's game. She's doing this to trigger you guys and make you guys yell." (35:05)

6. Closing Chaos & Callbacks (44:09–45:42)

• Past Grudges: The cast rehashes decade-old slights, including a Trader Joe's story. Shannon pretends not to hold grudges, but lists every detail: "That is just so immature of you. It just reminds me of 10 years ago when you said the exact same thing to me..." (44:11)
• Showdown: Vicki grumbles, "I’m not a Debbie Downer" as the hosts sign off.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Carmela’s Business Trauma:
  • Ronnie: "The way that she linked developing McMansions into somehow, like, her trauma of being cheated on... is actually pretty brilliant. Like, you can't make fun of my project." (09:35)
• Whale Watching Snark:
  • Emily (mocking Heather): "Are we going to squeeze the whales until fresh caviar comes out?" (15:37)
• On Tamara’s Instigation:
  • Ronnie: "It's Tamara's game. She's doing this to trigger you guys and make you guys yell." (35:05)
• The Box Game:
  • Ronnie: "I love the idea of sitting around and bedazzling and decorating your boxes... only to use those boxes to weaponize rage and grievances against everyone else." (30:55)
• Shannon’s Grudge List:
  • Ronnie: "That is just so immature of you. It just reminds me of 10 years ago when you said the exact same thing to me..." (44:11)
• Emily’s Box Game Protest:
  • Emily: "Why can't we just play, like, Yahtzee or hopscotch or pin the tail on the slut? You know, something that doesn't put friends in a box." (31:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jen, Tamara & Carmela’s Purse Drama: 02:16–08:12
• Carmela’s Real Estate Credentials & Gina Rivalry: 08:12–14:11
• Whale Watching with Trace Amigas: 14:12–20:26
• Party Setup, Group Dynamics & Carmela Gossip: 23:01–30:01
• Friend in a Box Game & Blowups: 30:12–44:47

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Episode Tone, Humor, & Style

Ben and Ronnie's trademark style—the mix of catty impressions, affectionate derision, and dead-on social commentary—keeps things fast-paced and relentlessly funny. Frequent callbacks, Bravo references, and running personal jokes, especially about the cast's hypocrisy and OC lifestyle, create an immersive, giggly recap. Their playful sidebar on “real estate shaming” and the absurdity of Housewives’ competitive gifting and grudge-holding are especially on point.

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In Summary

This episode of Watch What Crappens is a comedic masterclass in dissecting Real Housewives drama, poking fun at both the cast and the show's editing manipulation. With their sharp wit and deep Bravo knowledge, Ben and Ronnie make the group’s petty arguments, status games, and emotional overreactions both hilarious and weirdly relatable. Whether or not you watched the original episode, this recap delivers the full flavor—cattiness, caviar jokes, and all—of the OC chaos.

Transcript

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[Ronnie]

Who cares what happens when there's so much feature who cares what happens when this so much that crappins hello and welcome to Watch what Crappin. A podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. This is part two of the recap. If you missed part one, go check out your podcast feed. It's right there. And without further ado, let's get right

[Jen]

back into the recap.

[Emily]

So let's go to blk. I'm assuming this is not the water. Jen meets Tamara for a drink and she's like, oh, my God, last year I would have looked into a restaurant and seen Tamara there, and I would have said, nope, not going in there. But, you know, it feels like Tamara growing so much. She's really changing so much. I'm shocked. I mean, this first she was calling me a stalker, and this year, she shows up in one of my exact same confessional looks. Even with the hair. Have you seen that? The comparison of I and that, like, leopard print dress that she's wearing with her hair up like Ivana Trump and I did it. It's an exact look from Jen. It's an exact copy.

[Tamara]

So Tamara's like, I'm so excited to get some more. Did her family really invent caramels?

[Jen]

That has nothing to do with it. But she has a lot of layers and, like, you know, she's like a real girl's girl.

[Tamara]

Yeah. Does she know that Vicky is like, what did Vicky say? What did Vicky k?

[Ronnie]

And then we have a flashback of Vicki saying. I mean, who names their daughter Carmela at this age? I somehow missed that. That comment from Vicki.

[Emily]

Carmela, she just, like, she hates your name to start. And that's not a developer. She used the wrong word. Red flags. Red flags. It's not a developer. So John's like, well, drink up. You know, you're about to tell her, so go ahead, just drink that. Cheers to that.

[Ronnie]

So Carmela's there. She's like, hello. She's like. So I went with Shannon, Emily to this cowgirl workout. It's like a sex workout. It got really out of control. And we see flashbacks of. Of, like, Carmela sitting on Shannon and, like, going back and forth, you know, wacky times. And Tamara's like, oh.

[Tamara]

And I thought I've. Of every fitness.

[Emily]

Yeah. So I hadn't seen Emily since her birthday party and that, like, whole gift situation.

[Tamara]

Oh, yeah, I heard about that. Yeah, I heard about it.

[Emily]

Yeah. She was like, thank you. And then we see a flashback. So Emily's not even going to wait for other people to be messy for her. She just jumps, right. She's like, okay, Gina didn't take care of this quickly enough. So she goes, thank you so much for the bag. That was really generous, and I thought it was beautiful. But I will tell you, Gina's been very vocal about it. Oh, Gina really hate you now because you gave me that bag. You should used to go attack Gina about it.

[Heather]

What the.

[Ronnie]

This is such a nasty move. She's. If we were to believe everything that we see on the screen, she tells Gina about this at this tik tok moment. And Gina's like, oh, my God. That's, like, really weird. That's crazy. And then Emily goes and tells Carmela that Gina's been very vocal about it when, yes, Gina was like, ew, that's gross. And we thought it was, like, so annoying that Gina's now gonna try to start to have a fight about it. But also, it, like, you know, Emily going and immediately throwing Gina under the bus is, like. Is wild. And it also kind of reeks. It sort of feels like they kind of planned it in a way, almost like, oh, my God, I'll get mad, but then you throw me under the bus, and we'll see what happens.

[Emily]

It's like, let's get Carmela. Nobody's doing this quickly enough. Let's jump on her. You do it, Gina. So Gina's like, I need to know what was the motive? What was, like, the motive of giving someone a purse? That's great. Like, what's going on in this woman's mind?

[Ronnie]

And Carmela, we go back to present, and Carmel is like, to accuse me of having an ulterior motive. That's gross.

[Jen]

And Jen's like, but you do have to understand, Gina and Emily are, like, best friends.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah.

[Tamara]

Like, me and Jen. So funny. Right?

[Jen]

Then Jen's like, that was so funny. Thank you so much for that joke. I do feel welcomed by you. So maybe Gina felt, like, protective of Emily in that moment. I don't know. Did you share a sweatshirt together?

[Tamara]

She's just territorial. You know that Emily's not there. Now you're giving her a bag. So that. What the. That?

[Emily]

And Carmel's like, well, I mean, I got. I get protection, but it was a bold accusation, not even knowing me. I mean, just be happy for your friend that someone got her a Dior bag. How about that?

[Jen]

Do you pay all your friends gifts like that? And can we be friends? I do have a birthday coming up within the next year.

[Ronnie]

Carmela's like, in our friend circle, we usually all go in on a designer item.

[Tamara]

Yeah, but, I mean, that's like an expensive gift to somebody that you don't really know.

[Jen]

It's like.

[Ronnie]

Well, it wasn't like, some crazy expensive bag. It was like a clutch. Like, what was it, like, $10,000? It was, like, pretty easy.

[Emily]

It was wallet sized. And Jen's like, oh, so you're saying that it wasn't really expensive for you, but you know some people.

[Tamara]

Oh, yeah. I also heard how much you paid for your rent. Too stupid. Pay so much money. Spent $35,000 a month. Shannon told me that because we're best friends again, so it's dumb. He's in your big sweatshirt. I guess you have to go into Heather's. Good luck with that.

[Ronnie]

So Carmel is like, I've never had so much criticism about my own personal finances. It's beyond tacky. And by the way, if Carmel is saying something saggy, wow. She's like. It's like. I mean, I don't go around checking what they paid for their houses.

[Emily]

Yeah. It is kind of funny that on this show they're doing the opposite. They're rich shaming people. You know, they do that on Orange County. They're just mad if you've got too much money.

[Ronnie]

They do so every season.

[Emily]

Yeah. So Jen's like, oh, God, come on, you guys. I wish I could pay 35 grand. Oh, no. Jen says that. She's like, I wish I could pay 35 grand. And Carmela says, yeah. I mean, look, it feels irresponsible, but it is what it is, okay? And I'm still doing sales up San Diego, all the way up the coast. So I select clients, you know, I take only select clients who have very specific gigantic farmhouse modern homes with cement floors and tiny pool areas. And then I just do that, you know? And their projects. Their projects. I do.

[Tamara]

Wait a minute. Explain to me the project, like, where Gina lives. What do you mean by that?

[Ronnie]

Carmela's like, yeah, I mean, essentially, I just don't like to call it a flip because it takes a certain level of finesse to be in a luxury space, and I really want to maintain that. And I want to produce a home for somebody that, like, maybe it's like. Because, like, my own stuff is, like, so fucked up all the time. I just want to give somebody else something great, you know?

[Jen]

And they're like, what are you talking about, Jeff? Jeff Garcia? You want to talk about that?

[Ronnie]

She's like, yeah, because we were going to build a home to live in with our children forever. And then when I found out that children don't stay as children forever and they grow up, well, it devastated me. And now I just want to make houses for other people so they, too, can have a forever home.

[Emily]

I just do this for the children.

[Ronnie]

The children everywhere.

[Emily]

I flip homes for every baby out there who just wants better. It's like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah. And, you know, like, he hurt me so bad when he cheated on me. And we bought this forever home. And so I was like, no, I'M not going to get this forever home. I'm going to make it great for some other child who desperately needs it. And then I sold it, and I made up $1.4 million off of the home. She is very good at writing a hero story. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

The way that she linked developing McMansions into somehow, like, her trauma of being cheated on and, like, you know, her nuclear unit being destroyed is actually pretty brilliant. Like, you can't make fun of my project.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

You can't make fun of my Tuscan style home because this is for a child that whose mommy and daddy live separately.

[Emily]

Yeah. And she's like, yeah, well, when I was growing up, my mom was like, it's easier to marry a doctor than a poor person. But now I say, it's easier to do it by yourselves. And that's what I want to show my girls. We just had to block the e channel, but, you know, otherwise.

[Ronnie]

So Jen is like, wow, you know,

[Jen]

like, this is, like, really amazing. And like, you know, the thing is with Carmela, she always tells me, I love a woman in a man's space, which I don't really understand because I didn't know that space belonged to men or women. I thought it was just for the aliens.

[Ronnie]

And Carmel's like, oh, yeah, I know you're still having trouble with that. But, you know, it's like white. You know what I love? White high heels in a dirty construction project. Am I right, guys? Am I right?

[Tamara]

With the G string, it's.

[Emily]

So we go to a house for sale, and Carmela is now meeting her client Jack Bergman, to try and get the listing. And she's like, yeah, I'm with the Oppenheim group, selling Sunset. I know you guys are shocked that I'm a selling sunset gal, but I am. And I'm a real estate agent, a broker. I have a special focus in development, and I've sold almost a hundred million dollars in the last 10 years.

[Ronnie]

And so now we see her walk through the house and she's like, what's the total square footage? Just over eight, Right. Is there a pile of dirt I can wear these high heels in? I love being in a man space. And she's talking about, like, oh, this primary. Oh, this is very nice. Okay. Wow, look at. Okay. Oh, look at those features. Six bedrooms. Oh, this is immacul real estate. Real estate, Am I right?

[Emily]

So they sit down and talk about it, and she's like, yeah, Jack just did a complete Renault. Took the property down to the studs. So I'm Just like, hoping to get a listing agreement so I can list this home. So she's very like, look at me, I've got poster boards. Here's what I don't want to do. I don't want to overprice your house. I want to underprice it. Okay, that's right. I will take the listing. Thank you very much. She's like, wow, you want to make me less money than everybody else? You've got it.

[Ronnie]

Well, she also was like, I've got this revolutionary idea. We're not going to put it on the market at 9 million. We'll put it on at 8.99. And let me tell you something, this is going to change the way people ever do business. It's like, wow, you learned the, the 99 rule of pricing things.

[Emily]

But to be fair to dollar tree and be like, wow, that really could have worked had you taken off a cent.

[Ronnie]

I know. And I just, I do have to say, like, I again, I feel bad punching down on Gina, but it is funny watching Carmela is going through this huge, beautiful mansion and going through all the specs. And if you contrast that, contrast that with Gina last year and she was in that, like, one bedroom retirement community home. And there's like these, she's like an open house and these elderly coup coming in. She's like, so over there is your bedroom and over here is the dishwasher. I can stand at the same place and point them both out. And the Gina is on here being, you know, trying to take down this woman. Like, she's like, not even a real real estate person. And I just think it's so funny.

[Emily]

But she knows real estate words so good for her. Meanwhile, this lady's working for the Oppenheim Group, selling $9 million homes. Gina's like, but this home comes with a walker. If you need a walker, you just have to sign it out. Every day at the community office, Carmela

[Ronnie]

selling homes with infinity pools and Gina selling them with infinity mold. But obviously there's no, like, obviously, like, there's no difference. Like, real estate is real estate, and whether you're selling a one bedroom or a nine million, it's all legit. There's obviously no shame in the game. I just think it's funny that Gina is so huffy about Carmela. And it's like, right, I think Carmela's legit doing what she's doing.

[Emily]

Well, it's easier to point it out with Gina because. Not feel guilty because Gina's the one doing the shaming.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Emily]

What the are you talking about? Meanwhile, this lady's showing a nine million dollar house.

[Ronnie]

Lol.

[Emily]

So let's go over to Captain Dave's Dolphin and Whale Safari,

[Ronnie]

which I would like to go on this, by the way. I was really upset that I was in Laguna beach last weekend and I didn't know that I could go whale watching. I love whale watch. Want to do it? So, admittedly, I've only done it once in my life, and I was about five years old, but I loved it. It stayed with me all these years.

[Emily]

I went. I took my nieces and my sister.

[Ronnie]

It was fun down there In.

[Emily]

In.

[Ronnie]

In Orange county or just like off? Like.

[Emily]

Yeah, here you can go down to the. You can go down and catch a boat in like Santa Monica or something. Venice, somewhere like that. So they go whale watching. Vicki's being wacky. She's like, did you bring a barf back?

[Tamara]

No, but is there a party on this? I just don't know when I'm gonna have to go. It could be now. It could be later. It could be. It could be five minutes from now. I just don't know. I could shoot at any time.

[Emily]

She's like, oh, Jesus. So Heather walks up, overdressed, of course, and they're giving her shit. She's like, what? I've got rubber shoes on. Look at these. They're from Louis Vuitton.

[Ronnie]

And Because, I mean, so do we. But we don't look like that. She's like, okay, well, look, they're rubber for the boat, okay? Because look, I can be fun. Sir, is there a second floor to this whale watching boat? Where's the caviar service? What time? Thank you.

[Emily]

Are we going to squeeze the whales until fresh caviar comes out? Is that.

[Ronnie]

I have a question. When do we go downstairs for our massages before the whales are after them?

[Emily]

I've got whale Alfredo here to just squeeze this. The eggs out of the whales.

[Ronnie]

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[Tamara]

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[Ronnie]

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[Emily]

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[Emily]

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[Ronnie]

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[Emily]

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[Emily]

My shoes are rubber and your glue, whatever you say bounces off my Louis Vuitton shoes and sticks to you.

[Ronnie]

Dilty still speaking, still me, still rubber, still rubber shoes. So then Shannon, she comes wandering up, sauntering up to this. And by the way, if you're listening and you're like, wow, Ben suddenly sounds different. It's because Spectrum just had their like umpteenth outage and I had to now rejigger some sort of recording setup. So sorry if I sound a little different and airier, but that's what's going on here. I have a whole new background on video. It's like a magic, magic, the magic of Hollywood.

[Emily]

We roll on Fridays. Everything goes to. We're like, oh, we're Almost done. No, you're not.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, we were supposed to be done a long time ago. And I'm tethering this through my cell phone. My cell phones, cell cell data. So who knows what might be. So thank you for your patience, everyone, but here's one thing that we can rely on. Shannon walking up to the whale watching in all white.

[Tamara]

Huh? Here I am, ready for action.

[Ronnie]

So.

[Emily]

Whoa, pants. Look at that, Shannon. You've got on anchor pants. And she's wearing the pants that she saw in that tacky ass store last week. Remember, she walked up to those pants. I was like, oh, wow, it's anchors. I grew up on a boat. My family has boats. Is that John Jansen's son?

[Ronnie]

That's a good catch, Ronnie. So Vicki is patting herself on the shoulder because she's brought the Trace Amigas back together. And she's like, this is great, because now we can go whale watching, and they can't leave the table. They can't get mad at anybody, and we're not going to go overboard. I'm like, you still could go overboard. That is not out. That's not off the table just yet.

[Emily]

Yeah, people who are getting along go overboard, and people who are not getting along go overboard. Everybody can go overboard. You know, safety at sea. That's what's important. So this is going to be a bonding thing. Okay? So they squeeze together on this little boat, and Tamara's like, ah, hey, Shannon,

[Tamara]

thanks so much for your text last night. I wasn't even thinking about decorating for the. For the party I'm gonna have. But sure, you can come over and help me with that. You're just so good at it.

[Emily]

Shannon's like, well, me. Me trying to help Tamara. Decorating does not mean we're besties. I'll tell you that right now. It's not like me saying, whoa, come back here and torture me again. Put me through trauma, Tamara. It's just saying that I have some tortilla warmers, and I will be glad to set them up.

[Tamara]

I.

[Ronnie]

It's not like I have my taco party decorations in a bin just waiting. Waiting for you to call me. And I could be like, I could do it.

[Tamara]

I could bring taco decorations.

[Ronnie]

It's not like I tried to throw a taco party two years ago and you guys all ruined it or anything like that. And I've been waiting for redux.

[Jen]

No, no.

[Tamara]

I just.

[Ronnie]

I could just throw something together real quickly, real casually, and I've just been waiting for this moment for two years.

[Emily]

No, this is not Easter. It's a bunny in a poncho. It's a Mexican party. So.

[Tamara]

Hey, guys. So I.

[Ronnie]

So they're asking about Carmel. Heather's like, is Carmela coming to the party? And Shannon's like, well, I went shopping with her, and she was Playboy Playmate of the year.

[Tamara]

Wow.

[Ronnie]

And if I didn't need some allies this season, I would be horrified and be trying to push her out the group already.

[Emily]

Oh. Oh, really? She got naked for Buddy. Oh, wow, wow, wow. Am I supposed to be impressed? No, I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed. Disgusting. Disgusting behavior. Get a job. Get a job. Absolutely. Heather's like, you can't say that. Don't say. Don't say that. Okay, Ms. Good Goody Two Shoes Pants. She got naked for Buddy. There, I said it.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So we have a flashback of all the times when Vicky has been really bad to new girls. Like, she's being to Carmela. And Tam's like, I think you should be nicer. She's like, I'm gonna catch it a lot. I swear to God, I will. I really will. So then they see a whale. And then Vicky is like. She's just, like, being goofy, and she's. He's like, I wanted to do whales. I want to see whales.

[Tamara]

Fashion blows. Sounds like Carmela.

[Emily]

She's really an asshole. Vicki. I'm surprised. They must have had trouble in the editing room being like, okay, should we pick a Vicky being mean to new people or a Vicky sex shaming women montage? Which should we go for? Because we've got about half an hour worth of clips for each situation. Which one?

[Ronnie]

Seriously? So now we go to Tamara's house for part of it to celebrate the weekend that Vicki could be having if the cartels were not destroying the streets. So Shannon comes in with her bin of decorations, and she's like, whoa, this

[Tamara]

is a heavy bin. It's a heavy bin of.

[Ronnie]

Of streamers.

[Tamara]

Goodness gracious. I'm having a hard time getting through the door. These streamers are so heavy. Whoa. It is so nice to see Shannon here helping me. We've been friends for so long. Dance. She's an alcoholic pressing into things on the street. Whatever. You know, we're still friends. It's just been that whole dance.

[Ronnie]

So Tamara. Shannon sees all these, like, white boxes lined up, and Tamara says, it's gonna be a. It's gonna be called a. It's a game they're gonna play later called Friend in a Box. Shannon's like, well, it sounds Like a prescription for a fight. And then. And then Gina is like, wow. Because we do. You know, Gina weighs in on all this because she shows up. She's like, oh, my God, you're here early. Shannon. This is crazy. I'm shocked at the boundary woman. Shannon was actually coming only to help TMR set up the party because, like, maybe this is hope that they can just, like, put the pants behind them. It's either that or Shannon just loves to host a party. So this is the first inklings of Gina's. This standard storyline where she says, I mean, you said that you were. You were holding, having, like, boundaries with Tamara, and the next thing you know, you don't have it, that you guys are best friends again. And, like, which one is it? I just feel like you're being fake Shannon. Yeah.

[Emily]

So everybody else arrives, and Vicki comes in last, and they're like, why are you late? She's like, she said six. I'm 15 minutes early. Is anybody. By the way, Citibank's tired. I just.

[Ronnie]

I can't.

[Emily]

Like, there's, like, an energy. It's an energy going around the world right now. Well, Mercury is in retrograde. I couldn't even get the Bluetooth chandelier to come down today. Very, very difficult.

[Ronnie]

So then they all go outside to eat some tacos, and Heather's like, is there any little less done steak? Also, is there any steak that's in the form of sushi that is actually from Nobu that was brought over because I don't want to eat this garbage being cooked on a garbage can top.

[Emily]

Do you have pickles? These are the only things I want to be seen eating on camera. Do you understand?

[Ronnie]

I'm wild and I am wacky.

[Emily]

Look at me eating street beef here at this party.

[Ronnie]

Just me, casual Heather Dubrow eating the beef of Nobu. Wow. Look, I'm a woman of the world.

[Heather]

No.

[Tamara]

Poof.

[Ronnie]

That's what we call this.

[Emily]

So sorry, go ahead. We have a little delay.

[Ronnie]

Oh, we have a delay. Sorry, I didn't realize. You sound like you're perfectly on time for me. Something else I can blame Spectrum for.

[Emily]

Yeah, you're like, well, just a normal amount of cutting off to me over here, Ronnie.

[Jen]

Thanks.

[Emily]

So they're at Where's Carmela today? And Carmela. Carmel is not here. Gina's like, I think she's in Santa Fe with a family. And Shannon says, New Mexico. Like, Rangel Santa Fe. Okay.

[Ronnie]

Oh, I was going to ask her to bring me back a Native American

[Tamara]

wedding jug, but that's okay. She's fine. She does. It's okay.

[Emily]

That's right, because she doesn't even live here. She just rent some place to film here so she could be on TV with her selling her nakedness for money. Okay? That's. That's the truth. Everybody, now there's like, oh, come on. She works for the Oppenheim group. Oh, really? Because you told me that Carmela doesn't even do real estate. Gina, she's like.

[Tamara]

Well, how she referred to herself when she was speaking to me was, I'm a developer. That's what she told me.

[Ronnie]

I was like. And it's like, oh, really? Like, like, really?

[Jen]

Oh, yeah. You know what? Mike's a developer, okay?

[Ronnie]

He buys land and he builds property. She's an administrative assistant at the front desk. Carmel is saying she's a developer. My question is, what has she developed? Okay, you buy a house, you renovate it, you sell it. She's a house flipper. That's not developer. But isn't that different from being a receptionist at the front desk? And also, what's wrong with that?

[Emily]

Yeah, you're. You're disgusting lady who sold cancer pills to people made out of vitamins. Okay, so Gina's like, you.

[Tamara]

You hung out with them together?

[Emily]

Jen and Tamara together. And Heather's like, I mean, Jen kept talking about mine and Tamra's relationship over and over. I mean, we just kept talking, kept going there, right, Chan? I think we're past it now, right, Jen? Zip it. Zip it, Jen.

[Ronnie]

We are not going to litigate this for everyone. So then outside, Emily is talking to Tamara, and she's like, so where are

[Heather]

you with Heather right now? Is everything good with Heather? Because if it is, I'd like to destroy it.

[Tamara]

Oh, yeah. Did she text you after the booty class?

[Jen]

And Jen's like, no, no, she didn't text me. Why? What's going on?

[Tamara]

She goes, oh, because I know she's a little upset with you. She feels like you're too invested in our friendship maybe. Yeah.

[Emily]

She said she thinks you're obsessed with her. Just this starting is so funny. They're just like, all right, let's just sit around on this white couch and just throw things at the wall until somebody gets mad. And we see a clip of this conversation. And Heather's like, well, I never thought that Jen was obsessed with Tamara, but honestly, she brings her up so much now I'm starting to. Are you right?

[Heather]

Which is.

[Ronnie]

It seems like it was like half tongue in cheek, but half like, maybe there's something to this. So Jen's like, you know what?

[Jen]

Don't come to my house and sit on my couch and tell me how you've never had a buddy and I care about you and you tell me you really feel about this woman, and then she turns it on me and says I'm obsessed with her. No, I just want to know who you are.

[Ronnie]

Jen, Heather did not turn it on you. You're the one who turned it on Heather. You guys are going to be buddy buddy. And one of the, like, the blood packs we're going to take was that you're gonna about Tamara behind her back. It would be a safe space to vent about this woman that you have to film with who makes your lives hell. And the first thing you do is you go to Tamara and say, oh, Heather thinks this about you and you destroy that pact. And Heather's like, well, this person. And you know what? She's clearly obsessed with Tamara. I'm gonna go for that.

[Tamara]

And.

[Ronnie]

And now Jen's gonna be like, oh, wow, don't complain to me that you don't have a friend. You're the one who destroyed the friendship first.

[Emily]

Yep, pretty much. And now she's gonna get all offended that Heather said this. Do you not remember your storyline last year was about being obsessed with Tamara. So it's a callback, okay? You can't get mad at somebody for a callback. So then they go inside because now we've got. We've got people riled up so we can have some good old housewives fighting. So they're like, okay, we did a.

[Tamara]

We did our warm up to everybody.

[Emily]

So they go inside and Tamara's. Everybody's just sitting there on that couch in this brightly lit room. It's just not very party like in there. So Tamara doesn't even try.

[Tamara]

Okay, let's play a game and yell at each other. I recently found out I was put in a box. And so now we're gonna have an unboxing party so we know exactly where everybody stands. B. Tch.

[Ronnie]

Oh, this feels very personal. I get it, I get it.

[Tamara]

She didn't even change the name of

[Emily]

the game to try and pretend like

[Tamara]

this wasn't a shot at Heather. Like the game should have just been called.

[Emily]

You Heather. So first they decorate.

[Tamara]

Yeah, let's decorate some boxes. And then we're gonna anonymously say, you're stupid. And then you have to guess. He said I'm super fat. Okay. It's gonna be so funny, you guys.

[Ronnie]

I love the idea of sitting around and bedazzling and decorating your boxes like this is a sweet arts and crafts night, only to use those boxes to weaponize rage and grievances against everyone else.

[Emily]

Why can't we just play, like, Yahtzee or hopscotch or pin the tail on the slut? You know, something that doesn't put friends in a box. Okay, I'm gonna get my. My feelings, sir. I just know that's gonna happen. You know what? This could be going south. And Heather's like, have we just met? I always get my feelings hurt.

[Ronnie]

It's the plight of me. Television's Heather Dubrow. So. So now they are. They're. They're still, like, joking about their boxes and everything, and now I think it's time for them to start playing their box game. So, Shannon. So Tamara is. She says, I. The friend that I love to.

[Tamara]

She's like, I can't even read this. I can't even read this. This note that's been in my box. I'm in the box about the friend that I have. What is this?

[Ronnie]

Deeply.

[Emily]

The friend that I love deeply. Do you need me to read it to you?

[Ronnie]

So she's like, yes, I actually kind of do. It's like, okay. The friend that I love deeply but never want to have on my social media box.

[Jen]

That's you.

[Ronnie]

That's you.

[Emily]

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[Emily]

She hurts and it cuts me very deeply.

[Tamara]

Deeply.

[Emily]

I'm using deeply a lot. Okay.

[Tamara]

And Tamara's like, yeah, yeah, I got it. Yeah. I don't disagree with anybody. Cause I'm just listening to what everybody has to say. That's the new Tamara. I'm just here to listen to everybody.

[Emily]

And everybody's like, this is weird that Tamara's refusing to be triggered. It's Tamara's game. She's doing this to trigger you guys and make you guys yell.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she's mentally prepared to take some shots. That's why she's going first, because it's easier when you go first, when you go last in the order. Everyone's so riled up at that point that everything sets them off. So now it's Gina's turn. And so she's, she's like, let's see what boxes everyone puts me into.

[Emily]

I'll start.

[Ronnie]

Oh my God, it says the boss babe box. Who put Gina in the boss babe box?

[Tamara]

You get in your car and you Go to a little shop and everything. This is so cute. Again. I'm like a survival and a role model for kids. And, like, people laugh with me. And when we disagree, it's gonna be, oh, my God, I got a good box. I got a good box. Guy things.

[Emily]

So now Emily's like, okay, analyzer. I'm an analyzer.

[Tamara]

I wrote that. It's supposed to be analyzer. Get in Tik to. Loved it.

[Heather]

Yeah. Hard on the outside, soft in the middle. I would agree with that Box.

[Tamara]

That was me.

[Heather]

Okay. Interrogator box. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. These are lovely.

[Ronnie]

And then Vicki is like, okay, mine says, this the. The hustler boss babe, ready to whoop it up, don't fall asleep box. Okay, well, okay, we'll see about that. And then she's like, oh, my God, what's this one? Oh, I'm not even gonna say it. I won't even say it. I won't even say this box. No, this is stupid box. I won't be in this box. I refuse to be in this box. I won't say it.

[Emily]

It's a stupid thing to say about me. How could anybody say this kind of thing about me? It was me. Geez, you haven't even read it. I'll tell you, it was me. Okay?

[Heather]

Geez.

[Emily]

I'm not a Debbie Downer. I'm just. I'm a positive because it said the Debbie.

[Ronnie]

The Debbie Downer box. And Emily's like, well, I just feel

[Heather]

like every time, you know, you know, I'm around you, you're very Debbie Downer.

[Ronnie]

Which is funny coming from Emily. Truly.

[Emily]

God, don't throw hooves when you live in an Eeyore house. I mean, Jesus, seriously. And Vicki's like, that's rude. That's really rude. She's like, what's the point is to be honest, right? You guys, I have so much going on. I'm trying everything I get to get it done without surgery. Okay, I'm in pain, but fun. Vicky will be back, and in her confessional, she's like, I'm not a Debbie Downer. I take offense to that. I've got very different facets of who I am. I'm also a sex shamer and, you know, all sorts of things. Internal misogynist. You know, like, there's lots of labels. Wait, why is it so cold in here? Could you turn off? The heat is freezing in here. Stop being negative. Sorry. Not being negative. It's very cold.

[Ronnie]

Okay, girlfriends, now it's time for me to see what box I am in. Okay. Social bestie. Oh, that's. That's adorable.

[Tamara]

And Terry's like, that was for me.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yes, social bestie. I thought I was going to say future employer. And here is a mop for you, Tamara. So get to work. It's like, what?

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so I'm just. I'm just your social bestie.

[Tamara]

Yeah, well, yeah, it's. Because when we're good, we're good, but then you talk to other people. And, like, after talking to Jen over there, I'm just so confused. I mean, I can't believe you said that to Jen.

[Emily]

Come on. Tamara is so clearly just trying to start. And Heather falls for it. Come on. And she's like, wait a minute. Listen, we talk. I say what's true, and that's it. I say it to people's face. Why do you just keep bringing her up, Jen? You know, every time we're together, you bring up Tamara. What do you mean by that? I mean, you're trying to have a conversation with me about life, and I'm like, I've got to talk to you about Tamara. Because what I understand is you fucking doubled down and said that I'm obsessed with Tamara.

[Tamara]

How dare you.

[Ronnie]

No, no, what I said was. And Jen's like, emily.

[Jen]

Emily just told me that you said that I'm obsessed.

[Ronnie]

Let me answer it. My.

[Tamara]

Still me.

[Ronnie]

Okay, let me say what I said was. Because we're all. Every time we're together, jaw is jutting outwards to accentuate this point, I feel like you always are talking about Tamra, bringing her up now I'm starting to think that maybe you are. That's what I said. That is my context.

[Emily]

I'm sorry, is this Groundhog's Day? Jen saw her shadow. So it's what, six more weeks of talking about Tamra? Nailed it. Thank you, Alfredo.

[Jen]

Well, what is odd is, you know, we leave workout. You know, we leave our workout, we give each other a kiss. Kiss. Love you. Bye. She tells me you were upset. I'm like, she's upset. Why is she upset? You're not even calling me and giving me the decent conversation of Jen. I was irritated with you. You're telling Emily that you think I'm obsessed with her, but you're not telling me that.

[Ronnie]

And Heather's like. Like, I didn't say you're obsessed with Tamra. I mean, that's stretching it. And I understand what you're saying. So therefore, by me saying, I understand what you're saying, but then not asking for anything more Than that. That just sort of brings this conversation to a halt, doesn't it, Jen?

[Heather]

No.

[Emily]

You use the word obsessed. I'm pretty sure you did. Like, okay, I use the word I get. Let me finish.

[Ronnie]

Other.

[Emily]

I'm talking, and I don't have a voice. Wait, I'm not done. Let me talk. My turn.

[Heather]

You've been talking all night.

[Ronnie]

No, I'm not. You keep answering for all these fucking cards, so let me do it.

[Heather]

She's like, all I've heard tonight is you talking, and you've talked a lot.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that's me. Sorry. Oh, that's rich.

[Emily]

Oh, that's the opposite of Gina. Well, it's just very hard, Heather, when you say a comment to Emily about Jen being obsessed. And I don't know if you remember last year, but that is something Tamara said about Jen. Yeah, that's the joke. Last year, the storyline was that she was obsessed. That's why she said it. And Heather's face is so funny because she's just dealing with idiots. But also, you just totally got baited into this, and you and Jen are both just doing what Tamara wants. And I love, whenever they cut to Tamara, she's like, I know.

[Ronnie]

Great time.

[Tamara]

Yeah.

[Jen]

You know, all those years of Tamara calling me this, telling me I'm obsessed. It's crazy that Heather used it against me. She knows how hurtful that was. It's like, how dare you?

[Ronnie]

It's like, well, I am sorry that I use that word. Anyway, hope we're good. Just like, it's done.

[Jen]

Heather, no. Okay. I don't want to step into this space anymore with you. You know, we're different. As somebody who felt like we were moving into a very close friendship, and there was deep feelings that you were sharing, I opened my mouth, and that is not the place to do that. And I have noticed, kid. Got it.

[Emily]

Okay. We're done with this. This was fun. You just bounced off my rubber shoe, so enjoy that.

[Tamara]

But I just.

[Emily]

Like, there's so many boxes, and now I'm putting Heather in the. I'm just confused as box. So thank you for that, Heather.

[Tamara]

Okay, we're gonna continue with the game.

[Emily]

Okay.

[Tamara]

This is very awkward.

[Emily]

Okay, so I think you're a hype hype girl. Okay. I think that you. Oh, because they're saying you're the hype girl. I don't know. The next clue is hype girl. Like, who is this? And now Vicky's like, well, I'm the Debbie doubter. So nice to meet you. Hype girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She could help you. This is Jen's box, by the way. So Jen's like and understanding and kind.

[Tamara]

Thank you.

[Emily]

Your son drives too fast. Okay, that must be. That must be.

[Ronnie]

That was me.

[Emily]

Okay, here's what it says. But at least he has a job. That was also me.

[Tamara]

Me.

[Emily]

That was awesome. And at least he keeps his clothes on, unlike that new sled on this show. Yeah, that was also me. This is actually a really fun game.

[Jen]

Oh, wait, here's one more that says, I'm in the Wish I Were Tamara box.

[Ronnie]

That was for me. That was for me. I'm sorry again. I should not have said that. So Sean's like, well, guess what?

[Tamara]

The Duchess of Orange county is going

[Ronnie]

to open her box. And Heather's like, she really likes that title. Really does really likes it. Okay, well, I am in the healthy boundary box.

[Tamara]

Oh, that.

[Ronnie]

Who, Tamara, did you give that one to me?

[Tamara]

No, No, I didn't do that.

[Ronnie]

Okay, well, I'm a work in progress. Okay, that's.

[Jen]

That's nice.

[Ronnie]

Who wrote that one?

[Tamara]

Me. I wrote that one.

[Emily]

You're a work in progress.

[Tamara]

Okay, well, thank you.

[Emily]

I'm not sure when the compliments start coming, but so far, so good. Okay, kind. But holds grudges.

[Tamara]

Who said that?

[Emily]

That.

[Tamara]

Who said that? Oh, wait, yeah, that was me. Sorry, I'm just saying, like, I didn't know you didn't want to move forward with me a bit. Like, you just can't even move forward. Why can't you just waste them after that? Cause you're stupid, alcoholic. They can't keep a man and doesn't have any money. Like, just get over it. I just don't get it.

[Ronnie]

Tamara Judge, we are trying to move forward.

[Tamara]

And for you to say that I

[Ronnie]

hold on to grudges, that is just so immature of you. It just reminds me of 10 years ago when you said the exact same thing to me and I had to remind you that I do not hold grudges with whatsoever. And furthermore, the first time I even came into this group, you were so cold and so callous to me, and I still answered your phone call, and here you are saying that I. I hold grudges. And let's not forget in 2018, when we went to Trader Joe's together, and I said, where?

[Tamara]

I wonder if we'll meet Mr. Joe? And then you said, that's not a funny joke. And I said, I think it is quite a funny joke.

[Ronnie]

And then people, people, we got into such a big argument, they closed down

[Tamara]

the free samples at Trader Joe's. You think I forgot about that?

[Ronnie]

So how dare you say I don't have friends.

[Tamara]

That was so funny. Yeah, I remember all those times and it just makes me cry. Cuz I remember telling a good time to Shani. And remember the other day when you called me and said I got a tortilla warmer with the bunny on it and I said you can come over and help me set up. It just made me cry. Made me cry. Remember all the good times with you, Shannon. I would just like to say thank

[Ronnie]

you, Tamara Judge, for a very enlightening evening. I feel like your apology is sincere and I want to thank you for transporting me to the cartel destroyed streets of Puerto Vallarta just for one beautiful night. Thank you, Tamara.

[Emily]

Well, I just want to say thank you for a very enlightening tea evening, Tamara. What a good time.

[Tamara]

Thank you. Thanks for having me decorate, best friend. Oh my God, you did so fun.

[Emily]

It just ends with Vicki going, I'm not a Debbie Downer.

[Ronnie]

So that's where. That's where it all leaves off. Well, thanks everyone for being here. Yeah, we're in the this episode is over box and I think Spectrum is in the soon to be canceled box. Going to be looking for a new Internet provider. This is like the third time this happened when we were podcasting and it's like we're done. So thanks everyone and we will be back. Have a great weekend. And we will be back on Monday for a whole new fresh week of podcast thing. Bye everyone.

[Emily]

We'll see you next time, everybody. Bye.

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with Caitlin o' Neal Put us on a stretcher. It's Charlotte Fletcher don't get salty with Christine Pepper can't have a meal without the Emily sides who, what, why, where?

[Ronnie]

And Gwen Pentland Nobody holds a candle to Jamie Kendall. We got our wish. It's Jen Plish My Favorite Murdo Karen McMurdo let's get savage With Laura Wildman in the study with a candle stick It's Leslie Peacock we're ride or die for Lisa Rider Baron She's a whiz It's Liz Sarthy always killing it It's Lola Al Kalani Roger that. It's Marlis Rogers the incredible edible Matthew

[Emily]

sisters She eases our woes. It's Melissa St. Rose there's a chance of meatballs. It's Rebecca Cloud. She's our princess. It's Rebecca Prince.

[Ronnie]

She's the queen bee It's Sarah Lemke.

[Emily]

We cannot tell a lie. It's Sarah Tal of sun Shannon out

[Ronnie]

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[Emily]

It's Tori Rose. She ain't no shrinking violet Coutar. We love you guys. This episode is sponsored by McDonald's.

[Ronnie]

I'm having my hot Caesar summer Ronnie.

[Emily]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Caesar sauce. I feel like we don't talk about Caesar sauce enough. Because it's so, so good. I love to dip everything into it. Have you ever dipped fries in Caesar sauce before?

[Emily]

I mean, I just have. It is delicious. Caesar sauce is like a Parmesan garlicky blend with some lemon in it and you can dip anything in there.

[Ronnie]

One thing I have been known to do is to stop over at McDonald's and go through the drive through and get myself a Caesar snack wrap and just dip some fries in the caesar sauce. Also McCripy strips in the Caesar sauce. Honestly, try it. It's really good.

[Emily]

Listen, I say if you put Caesar sauce on something that automatically makes it better. Yes, that's really all you need is the Caesar sauce.

[Ronnie]

I think I just want to have just a constant supply of Caesar sauce and put it on things at all times.

[Emily]

Yeah, I'm a straight up French fry and Caesar sauce kind of a boy. That's what I love and that's how I'm going to go down.

[Ronnie]

Right now at participating McD's, the 299 Caesar Snack Wrap app is making me rethink my go to order Caesar sauce

[Emily]

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[Ronnie]

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[Kat and Nat]

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