#2609 RHOP 0905: Grilled and Scarred

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast Episode #2609: "RHOP 0905: Grilled and Scarred"

Release Date: November 4, 2024
Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Platform: Wondery

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Introduction to Current Events and Bravo’s Role (03:37 - 05:02)

As the nation braces for the upcoming election day, hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam set the stage by addressing the collective anxiety surrounding the event. Ben proudly announces, "I voted proudly, very proudly" (03:48), emphasizing the personal importance of participation in the democratic process. However, both hosts express concern over the heightened stress levels and the role of Bravo programming as a diversion during these tense times. Ronnie humorously laments the scheduling of "Real Housewives of New York" on election night, saying, "It's kind of a bummer that on election night, like, we have Real Housewives of New York" (04:34), wishing for a more calming Bravo lineup to soothe the nation's nerves.

Real Housewives of Potomac: Episode Recap and Analysis (08:13 - 18:34)

Mia’s Controversial Actions and Karen’s Response

The hosts dive deep into the latest episode of "Real Housewives of Potomac" (RHOP) titled "Grilled and Scarred." They dissect Mia’s actions, particularly her attempt to defend her friend Jacqueline against accusations from Karen. Ben summarizes, "Mia had invited all her friends over to tell funny Mia stories and also to sort of have her back when she comes for Karen by saying" (08:13). This defensive stance leads to a heated exchange where Mia reveals her past struggles with drunk driving, stating, "I was just drunk driving" (07:44). Ronnie comments on Mia's honesty and the dramatic tension it introduces, noting, "Especially when it's told by a full cast like that like it's a full production. It's going to be like a radio play" (07:59).

Karen counterattacks by highlighting Mia’s history, accusing her of "reckless driving" and endangering others on the road. Their confrontation escalates as Mia presents documentation of Karen's past convictions, with Ben explaining, "Mia pulls out the evidence, you know, very quickly charges" (88:36). This back-and-forth exposes underlying tensions and unresolved issues between the housewives, particularly focusing on themes of loyalty, betrayal, and personal growth.

Themes of Loyalty and Personal Struggles

Ronnie highlights Karen’s vulnerability amidst the accusations, stating, "I am your village, and here's what I'm saying. Go home to your parents" (04:56). This statement underscores Karen's emotional strain and the broader theme of seeking support during personal crises. Ben adds, "The parents are almost always the corrupters. And you can blame it on the drag queens as much as you want, but it is the parents" (07:59), reflecting on the dynamics of blame and responsibility within the group.

Character Dynamics and Conflict Resolution (18:34 - 34:02)

Jacqueline’s Role and Karen’s Aggression

The discussion shifts to Jacqueline’s attempts to mediate the conflict, which only seem to exacerbate tensions. Ben observes, "She’s trying to say crater face, like actual craters" (86:04), pointing out Jacqueline’s missteps in handling sensitive issues. Ronnie echoes this sentiment, noting, "They just keep going on" (89:56), indicating the continuous cycle of arguments that prevent genuine resolution.

Wendy’s Birthday Drama

The hosts transition to Wendy’s 40th birthday celebration, which is intended to be a drama-free event but quickly turns chaotic. Ben recounts, "She gives a little speech. She talks about how she's surrounded by love and how she's basically achieved all the things" (37:27). However, the festivities are overshadowed by the ongoing conflicts, leading Wendy to attempt to regain control by declaring, "Let us toast to happiness" (85:42). Despite her efforts, the residual tension among the housewives remains palpable, demonstrating the challenge of maintaining peace amidst deep-seated animosities.

Humorous Takes and Personal Insights (34:02 - 61:25)

Hazing and Group Dynamics

Ben and Ronnie tackle the concept of hazing within the show, criticizing Mia’s behavior towards new housewives like Kierna. Ben states, "Hazinh on a TV show is stupid" (60:25), emphasizing their disdain for the negative portrayal of camaraderie. Ronnie supports this view, adding, "We've seen a Lifetime movie about that, about somebody getting hazed to death" (61:10), highlighting their opposition to such practices both on and off-screen.

Character Backstories and Motivations

The hosts explore the backstories and motivations of key characters, particularly focusing on Karen’s past and its impact on her present behavior. Ben mentions, "Karen is a boxer. And then we got to Karen, who's wearing boxing gloves" (81:42), using metaphorical language to describe Karen’s combative nature. Ronnie adds a humorous twist by comparing Karen to a boxer, saying, "She's like, that is what it's going to do" (82:59), illustrating the relentless nature of their disputes.

Final Reflections and Concluding Thoughts (61:25 - End)

Impact of Personal Struggles on Group Dynamics

As the episode progresses, Ben and Ronnie reflect on how personal struggles and unresolved conflicts influence the overall group dynamics. Ronnie observes, "I love that they're leaning into Jacqueline. Just terrible at Housewives, Housewifery" (60:40), critiquing the ineffective mediation efforts. Ben concurs, stating, "It's just like, no" (61:25), expressing frustration over the inability to move beyond past grievances.

Closing Remarks on Character Development

In their closing remarks, the hosts express their complex feelings towards the characters, particularly highlighting Wendy’s growth and Mia’s continuing struggles. Ben appreciates Wendy’s resilience, saying, "I think she really started to push that and. And be" (40:17), while Ronnie commends Mia’s humor despite the chaos, noting, "She's so beautiful, but she's so funny about it" (48:37). They conclude with a light-hearted acknowledgment of the ongoing drama, stating, "What a hilarious episode" (85:16).

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Notable Quotes

• Ben Mandelker: "I voted proudly, very proudly." (03:48)
• Ronnie Karam: "It’s bravo. Even when it's terrible, it's still fun." (05:02)
• Mia: "I was just drunk driving." (07:44)
• Karen: "I'm here raising our children." (07:59)
• Ronnie Karam: "We need Bravo the most." (04:34)
• Ben Mandelker: "Hazinh on a TV show is stupid." (60:25)
• Wendy: "Let us toast to happiness." (85:42)
• Karen: "I will always defend you because I know who you are." (92:42)

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Conclusion

In this episode of "Watch What Crappens," Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of "Real Housewives of Potomac" Season 9, Episode 5: "Grilled and Scarred." Through their insightful commentary and humorous interactions, they dissect the intricate web of relationships, conflicts, and personal struggles that define the Bravo series. Their ability to blend critical analysis with comedic relief makes this summary not only informative for long-time listeners but also engaging for newcomers seeking an overview of the episode's key moments.

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[Ben]

Hi, how are you?

[Ronnie]

You know what? So great. What a day. Yeah, Our world is about to change. Election election days in two days. But I think we've all already kind of voted, right?

[Ben]

I voted proudly, very proudly. And. But there's still a lot of people that are gonna vote tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow is the big day. It's. It's going to be a very stressful week, I think for the entire country because I think everyone is really nervous. No matter whose side you're on, everyone is anxious. And thank God for Bravo. This is when we need Bravo the most. So, yeah, it's kind of a bummer. It's kind of a bummer that on election night, like, we have Real Housewives of New York. Like, that's our salvo is watching Real Housewives of New York. Like, couldn't they like schedule like a bonus episode of like Potomac or Salt Lake City or like, why did they have to put New York on tomorrow night? That's not gonna calm me down to hear Aaron being like, really, you sold my bitcoin and you didn't pay me.

[Ronnie]

Back for the Starbucks?

[Ben]

Like, I don't want that.

[Ronnie]

Well, look, it is a time where we need some change. So whatever's gonna happen, there's gonna be change. I don't know if it's gonna be for the better or for worse, but yeah, that's kind of what we need with New York. So I don't know, look at it that way. I'm just. It's all a shit show either way. You know what I mean? What are you going to do?

[Ben]

Well, what you can do is everyone is vote. If you have not voted yet, everyone should vote. It's very important to vote.

[Ronnie]

It is important and it is not going to be the same show. I just mean it's you know, one side is going to be so fucking furious. You know, who knows what's going to happen if that, you know, whatever. I don't even need to talk. Some of us are nuts and some of us are not nuts at this point. And one half that we think are nuts are going to really be nuts if they lose. And if we lose, we're going to be really nuts. So there you go. Half the country is going to be super pissed off in a couple of days. Point is, who cares? In this world, everything's always great, okay? It's bravo. Even when it's terrible, it's still fun. Like Bryn had a really fake apology this week from New York that was fun to watch her try and stumble through. And so much other stuff which we will be discussing tonight on crappy hour at 5:30 Pacific Time as we do every other Monday. You can watch that and interact with us live on YouTube. We'll also be streaming that over Instagram live, which has been going pretty well actually, now that we found this new method. So join us over there if you hear a bunch of knocking, tinking, clink, clink, clink. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. It's because they're doing construction right under me now. I'm in the house. Hi. Look at me, I'm in the house. But under me. They're doing other construction of the place I was in before I was in this house. So you see how it's going. Little apartment. They're doing that. They just dropped a hammer right now. Just everybody was live camera, don't hurt them. But yes, it's going okay down there. A couple more weeks, hopefully it'll all be done. And I'm so excited to be here. That's it. I'm gonna. Oh, no. I wanted to tell you one thing.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

I was driving today from Home Depot because that's where I am every morning at 6:30, like a good little boy. And I was driving home and I was at the stoplight and this guy was on the side, he's running for Congress, some Congress. And he was standing there on the side of the road with a megaphone screaming, save all children. And then he had a do not, a no sign going over some lady's face, I guess his opponent. And he's like, she wants your children. I was like, oh, for Christ's sake. I just rolled down the window. I went, shut the fuck up, you drama queen. And then two other cards were like, yeah, fuck you. We just started railing on this congressman idiot. Get the children out of It. Okay. Save your own children. I'm so sick of everybody talking about the drag queens and their children, whatever. And their children get. Tell your children to get a goddamn job. I've been telling you people forever. Fix your own children. I'm busy. Okay? I am your village, and here's what I'm saying. Go home to your parents. It's drinking hour in this village, just 5 o'clock here.

[Ben]

The drag queens are not corrupting your children. I guarantee it's the parents. The parents are almost always the corrupters. And you can blame it on the drag queens as much as you want, but it is the parents. So, you know, vote yourself out of office.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, and that's enough of that for today. Sorry for even bringing us into politics. That's. That's as far as we'll go. But good luck, everybody. Let's all hold hands and move forward into the Real Housewives of Potomac.

[Ben]

Yes, it is episode five blast from everyone's past. So where we left off, Mia had invited all her friends over to tell funny Mia stories and also to sort of have her back when she comes for Karen by saying, you know what, Karen? The funniest thing happened one time when we were out with Joy. You caught you but dialed us when you were drunk, and we heard you say, everyone thinks I'm home with Ray right now. Isn't that funny?

[Ronnie]

And Karen's like, I don't remember. What? Don't remember? Wait, was I drunk? Were I drunk driving when that happened? Because, you know, it's very difficult to remember things when you're trying to concentrate on a road that's wonky and it's moving this. And have you ever tried driving down a wonky curvy road? Tilt a world as a road. You can't blame me. I was just drunk driving.

[Ben]

You know what? I don't like these curvy roads. So I decide rather than me wanting the road to change, I will change for the road. So I just drive straight on a curvy road, and it usually works out. And sometimes you might have a fence or a median, but, you know, leave by example.

[Ronnie]

So me is like, well, I only bringing you that because you came for my girl Jacqueline. You called her a liar. Jacqueline was calling her a drunk in front of a bunch of people when she's already in trouble for being a drunk. Okay, Jacqueline brought this on herself. And acting like Jacqueline is just some babe in the woods who just made an innocent comment about maybe Karen was drunk when she called me in the middle of the night. That was a friendly call, ma'am, and you used it against her in a court of public opinion. How dare you. Get her.

[Ben]

It's us. It's also shitty because she's basically throwing Jacqueline under the bus. Like, you should be angry at Jacqueline because, like, it. Like, don't be. Don't be mad at me that I'm saying this. Be mad at Jacqueline for being mean to you, because I'm just saying this because of Jacqueline. And. And so Karen. Karen's like, well, I'm also, by the way, Mia has spent the past two years saying the very worst things about Jacqueline. Just the worst. Like, beyond. Like what? Like, just the things that you. Like, no friendship should ever rebound from. And yet now she's gonna be like, yeah, I'm gonna stand up for my girl. I was like, you should have stood up for your girl against yourself two seasons ago. So Karen's like, right, well, she has that whole thing.

[Ronnie]

I think they made that deal coming back in, like, okay, but you better be loyal me this time, and I'll be loyal to you too. And so they're really trying to do that. Like, we're going to be loyal at no cost. But you already see it slipping, because every time Jacqueline gets a chance, she's like, yeah, Mia's spoiled, and she needs her. You know, she's. Yeah, I don't want to be Mia's sidekick. You know, you see it. You see it trying to come out, and it's. It's really funny watching that struggle.

[Ben]

So then Mia's like, I'm sorry. Karen's like, so those girls think I'm with Ray? I don't know why I would say that. Was. Was this the night that we were having? We'll be drinking brown liquor that night. And I pulled over, and I called my driver, because I said, driver, I've been driving for 30 minutes, and I keep on hitting little rabbits and trees. Can someone pick me up, please? Thank you very much.

[Ronnie]

I've shortened my drunk driving trip, which I expect an award for from the Surrey County Board of New WI Fi. So, yeah, it was brown liquor. So blame the brown liquor. And Mia's like, but you did get behind the wheel, and then you decided to pull over. Ryan, I'm just trying to get the timeline down.

[Ben]

Yes. Yes, I did do that. I pulled over. It was. It was a. It was. I don't know. I think it was. Must have been five seconds behind that wheel. Five seconds. 30 minutes. What if it was? And I pulled over and I said, no, no more of this drunk driving for me, which I never did in the first place. And Karen and Mia's like, yeah, and that's very good, Karen. Look, I'm gonna pretend like I'm on your side, not coming to you anymore.

[Ronnie]

I'm so proud of you for pulling over. Not into a deer. Like the time that you pulled over into a deer while you were drunk driving. I mean, you're really improving on your drunk driving, I have to say. Practice makes perfect. Right, Karen?

[Ben]

And then Mia tells us. Yeah, we had been drinking a lot.

[Ronnie]

A whole lot.

[Ben]

She drunk called me the next morning on our way home. Yeah, I left that part out. I'm like, well, you didn't because you're saying it right now on tv. But that's okay.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, Mia's never gonna leave any part out permanently. She'll always be saving parts to bring up. And Karen's like, now, come on, Mia, you don't know any more than that. Me and Wendy's, like, shooting shots, shooting shots over there. And Ashley is telling us the streets have been alive with some of Karen's forays. I've heard things, I've seen things. And I believe with every firefighter of my being that me and Joey are telling the truth. Ashley, the arbiter of truth, who literally tells the truth about 15% a season that Ashley has made herself there. How's that divorce from Michael going?

[Ben]

Liar. And Stacy, whose role is to be horrified by everything, is like, wow. After defending herself about the drunk driving charge, now she has to defend herself at the dinner table. It just won't stop. It's like, Stacy, did you know what show you were getting involved with? Did you. Did you think you'd be, like, hosting the Thanksgiving Day parade? This is. This is the name of the game.

[Ronnie]

This is unbelievable. After watching what they just put through. Put her through after drunk driving. And now here at the. Oh, my God, Karen, please slow the table down. I'm sorry. I was drunk driving the table. I'm sorry. I did pull over. Stacy, will you please take over? And that's called responsibility, bitches.

[Ben]

And so then Karen tells us, yeah, you sat on this for three years and thought this is the time to throw a dagger. Well, honey, as she liked to flex the daggers off of her very structural dress, her Mobius strip of a dress.

[Ronnie]

You're not deflecting the daggers. You just don't care that you're walking around stuck with daggers. You know what I mean? You're like, that.

[Ben]

You've tried to convince. No, I decided to wear Daggers today. That was intentional.

[Ronnie]

You're just. You have no blood left in you. You know, there's just a little bit of, you know, patron leaking out the holes. So let's see here. So Stacy's like, well, I have questions. I have questions that need to be answered. Mia, why did you have this in your back pocket for three years, missy? And I don't want any sass from you about it.

[Ben]

Well, because she never called my friend a liar until now. And then Joy is like, well, I think it was more or less because you didn't want to say it and not have anyone else there to back you up, because I was there, if you remember, Mia. That's why you said that we should come, because we're his backup.

[Ronnie]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ben]

That's why. That's why. That's why. Because I didn't have Pedroia's backup.

[Ronnie]

No. Mia doesn't even try to hide it. She has no subtlety. Mia's just like, no, I was saving it for, you know, when Karen was mean to me.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

So I did. So what do you think? I have a lot more, too. And I would have kept this in, but she came for my girl.

[Ben]

And then Karen's like, oh, girl, shut up. Because you and Jacqueline have pulled each other's eyeballs out.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

And. And Jacqueline's like, we have. We have. Thank you so much. Thank you. That was a great moment on Bravo. Yeah. We'll do it again if you want. Yeah, yeah.

[Ronnie]

So Jacqueline's like, well, she took this tiny, itty bitty conversation that we had and this itty bitty little thing that I said about how it sounded like she was drinking. It was just my opinion. Well, you know, it's her opinion that you're a goddamn liar. Yeah.

[Ben]

And she's like, you know, if you want to make me the problem, fine. It's me. Hi. I'm the problem. It's me. They're like, no, Jacqueline, you. You're not really at the level of being a Taylor Swift song. Fine. Fine. But look, when you clearly have problems, then do your. Your thing, honey. But I'm not the issue. I'm just the one that's addressing the elephant in the room. Did you just call me an elephant? I am a fence, damn it. Offense.

[Ronnie]

You know, there are going to be experiences in your life that are good, that are bad. And what I think makes me an okay person is that I own the good and the bad and the indifferent about me. And I've come through so much. So much. I have Come through deer trying to attack my car. I have come through cars insisting on driving me while they were drunk.

[Ben]

Drunk cars.

[Ronnie]

Can you believe it? And look at me, still happy.

[Ben]

Ping, let me have my serious low voice for a moment. I'm gonna lower my chin and look at you like I'm looking over the top of some glasses that are invisible. You know what? In life, you take the good, you take the bad, you take the both, and there you have Mia's messy ass.

[Ronnie]

Well, has any of the sequences of events that has, like, transpired affected your marriage? What the are you trying to say? Just ask the question.

[Ben]

Yeah, I know. That's when, you know, like, whenever people throw in the word transpired. I'm sorry, Transpired needs to be retired from the dictionary, because that is, like. That's the word people go to when they want to sound smart in an argument. They're like, I can be a lawyer. Okay, so what transpired after just say happened Anytime someone's like, well, I was. I was going to the store, and what transpired was that I bought Doritos. I'm like, you're trying to make it sound fancy. You're trying to, like, win your case by throwing transpired. It never works. Please, let's move away from the word transpired.

[Ronnie]

We need to just have buzzers and, you know, there just needs to be. When Mia says a sentence like this, has any of the sequences of events that has, like, transpired affected your marriage buzz? You're mia. Okay? Not a lot out of bounds.

[Ben]

I know when people just try to. So people always try to talk like lawyers in arguments where they want to be like, I'm going to win this argument by throwing in words like transpired and also talking to doctors. It's like, so what happened? Well, what transpired was that I was feeling an ache in that as, like, just say, my back hurts, you know, But I just love it when people.

[Ronnie]

It's very Heather Dubrow, like, can I have a bagel and make it adjudicated?

[Ben]

Please do not admonish me, Karen Huger. So anyway, so Mia was like. So, like, they went like, did, like, their stuff with marriage affect your accident, whatever? And Karen is saying, like, oh, well, yes, we were having a moment, you know. You know, you have moments in your marriage, you know, and we have a flashback of Rey saying, I think I love Karen, which is so shitty for him to say that. And then. But she's like, you know, she's not willing to really accept that her marriage has issues. So instead, she goes back to this old trope. She's like, you know what, though? He is my soldier. She loves talking in army terms with Rey. He's my soldier. Soldier. That for me. Karen, army unite. Get up on your feet. Okay, ten hot. We're going to march to the gates of victory in Karenville. That's what has transpired.

[Ronnie]

You know, I have to disagree about the Rey thing now that we've seen more happening with Rhea and Karen. Karen's been cheating on Rey for years, steadily. And then she wants to go on camera and be like, look how Rey doesn't treat me well. Rey's like, what the hell are you talking about? I've supported you, and you've been cheating on me for goddamn years right in front of my face. And now you're finally getting caught on tv, and you're trying to make me look like an un. Like an unsupportive husband. Off, lady. You know, if I could walk, I would walk right out that door, but unfortunately, it would take me too long, and I. I can't. I'm just tired. I'm exhausted. I'm too. I'm too exhausted to run. Okay, but don't make me shoot this bullshit about how I'm an unattentive husband. You're literally the driver for how many years?

[Ben]

But this is where he decides he wants to throw a crack in the facade. Like, if you're gonna do the facade, do the facade.

[Ronnie]

Don't be a consistent facade. Okay?

[Ben]

If you're gonna do the facade, don't humiliate her. I mean, like, you've already signed up that you're like. Like you're looking the other way. So don't, like, humiliate her on tv.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think it's the whole dragging Ray out of the closet to go do a therapy scene where she's gonna throw Ray under the bus the whole time. You know what I mean? Like, she could have just left it alone. No wonder the man wanted to run to Florida.

[Ben]

Well, I think that's why. Don't forget that's why he said that, Because I think that was the middle of their fight where he just wanted to retire down to Florida. And she's like, no, I must stay in Potomac to shoot my television show. So he's like. He's pissed at her at this point because of that.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, shoulder, shoulder. And then Karen is like. I'm not really sure about how much Karen's problems with Ray impacted her accident, but me and my mom were very close and are very close And I can't imagine my mom not being here. So in her defense, maybe it was her grieving her mom, you know? You don't know. I was like, oh my God, Newbie, please stop. Karen will say that for literally everything. Like, I'm so sorry I ate your last slash of pizza. My parents are both passed.

[Ben]

Please. I had instant grief. I had a wave of grief that hit me and I had to eat your pizza.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

So Wendy's like, hello, everyone. There's only one more hour left of my 30s. Like, okay, so then everyone, like, gets up from the table and they're all just sort of like, chatting now. They're like, how do we kill an hour so we can say Happy birthday to Wendy? So Stacy goes up to Karen and she's like, karen, you need a trophy. A trophy that has a small cross on it that signals to you and your close friends that you have a close relationship with the Lord. That trophy is available for 39.99, marked down from 79.99. And I think it'll be a great addition to your mantle, fireplace, or home office.

[Ronnie]

Would Jesus love you for free? I'm sure he would, but why try and test that? You know what I mean? When you get to the gate, the pearly gates, you want to make sure that you're looking cute in his. In his Symbol Tree. Symbol. Tree. Symbol. Symbolry. Symbology. I don't even know anymore.

[Ben]

Symbol. Tree now available on QVC for 182.99. It is a tree full of symbols. All your favorite symbols from your keyboard on that tree. Is it a fish? Is it an emoji? Is it a Greek letter? They're all there. And you can stare at it and decipher it for the rest of your life.

[Ronnie]

Just trees. Trees made out of crucifixes. You're gonna love it.

[Ben]

Unfortunately, we are one tree down because Monique got back on the road. But other than that, sales are through the roof, so act now and get your symbol tree before it's too late.

[Ronnie]

So Karen's like, well, you know, all you want to do is your own life and you can't. You can. You can explain it. They may not like your explanation, but if you own it, if it's your truth, you're good to go. Who needs the real truth? Your truth is the only truth. My truth is I have no charges against me. Thank you very much. And I appreciate the Oscar. It was lovely being in what's an Oscar winning movie? My Left Foot. I really enjoyed being in My Left Foot.

[Ben]

I love being in the English Patient, which is what I'm being right now, waiting for Wendy's birthday, speaking English and being patient. So then we go to Ashley, talking to Mia, and she's like, mia, Mia, Mia, Mia. She's like, you are Jacqueline's mvp. So Mia is basically saying, well, I had to help my girl out because she was sinking earlier. Okay? And I can't do or allow her to, like, to, you know, for her to lie, to drown. And, like, I don't want anyone to call anyone close to me a liar unless it's me saying it's right.

[Ronnie]

And Jacqueline's like, well, I don't deserve to be called a liar, especially by Karen. Especially by the woman I called the drunk at a table full of people. He's like, yeah, especially something. That's just silly. You know, she admitted that she left the restaurant, got drunk, got in the car, and drove. Now, unfortunately, Mia is just, you know, she was drowning. She's a little too incompetent to really explain that on television. Like, she needs to be to be on this show, but the producers insisted. So she's back. So. Hey, would you like to swim up? She's browning. Get her arms. Get her. I helped her. I helped her.

[Ben]

So Mia's like, son, do you think Karen's gonna be piss like, tomorrow? She's gonna go to sleep and she's gonna wake up and she's probably all pissed off. And Josh is like, really? You think so? And she's like, yeah, she's gonna be like, going into her vault, calling up her bloggers, being like, now what we have on Mia. And they all laugh because they know it's so true that that's exactly what Karen's gonna do next.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's so true. And they all do it. Me is even admitting, like, yep, I had it in a little Rolodex. And the second I got pissed off, I used it against Karen. Thanks.

[Ben]

Yep. So now it's 15 minutes until Wendy's birthday. So Stacy answers a FaceTime from TJ, who's like, hi, princess. And she's like, hi. He's like, what you do? Look at you in that orange. Absolutely stunning. Beautiful. Available now. Is that one of those limited time offers available on qvc? Orange sweater for. For beautiful people? She's like, yes, it is, tj. Thank you so much for noticing.

[Ronnie]

It's like, tj, I'm wearing orange, your favorite color? He goes, orange is my favorite color on other things. How's it going over there? She's like, oh, everyone's asking about you, tj. Everyone's asking about you. Someone said, what side of the bed you get out of? I said, what kind of question is that? They said, if you were a bunk bed, which one would you be? I said, what?

[Ben]

Someone said, God, I Just love all his frozen items. And I said, that's the different tj. And they said, well, who are we talking about? And I said, my boyfriend tj. And he's like, oh, well, are. By the way, are we sharing more? Because we said that I want you to lean in to the camaraderie that they offer. So if they ask about me, tell them all sorts of things about me, and if they want me to be more on the show, I'll be on the show. If they want. If they want to make a storyline where they're talking about me and it raises my profile for some reason, that's okay. Lean into it. It's okay, honey.

[Ronnie]

This guy is such a red flag, you know, I told you to lead in. Lean into the camaraderie that they offer and just share. And that's what this is about. So I'm calling to see if you're doing what we talked about. What the fuck is wrong with you? Don't talk to her that way. Are you leading her to fuck off, closet director? No, sir. You don't get to direct your beard. You let that beard perform how she wants to. Beards grow however they want. They're wild. They're free.

[Ben]

You don't get to decide if it's a Fu Manchu or a soul patch or I don't know the names of any other types of beards, but either.

[Ronnie]

Way, yeah, we make closeted jokes because we're just idiots on the Internet. But you know what? Like, we're seriously calling and being like, I want you to make sure you're discussing me on camera. How we discuss. Get the fuck out of here, you weirdo control freak. Don't be on tv. Get out of here with your tights.

[Ben]

I think this is such a strange red flag for me. First of all, the group does not offer a single ounce of camaraderie. So he is. His whole premise is fail fails because of that. But also, like, it just feels like he almost wants her to talk about their relationship and how they're, like, not intimate. Like, it's almost like he knows the women are going to be like, oh, my God, tj. Like, it's gonna be a storyline.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

It's like he. He is really thirsty. It seems like, to be, like, a topic on this show, right? Isn't that, like, that was my takeaway from his comments.

[Ronnie]

And he also really wants every. He really wants it out there, how Christian and virginal he is and how he's really sticking to this. Like, he's really going for this religious purity thing on camera. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I didn't really think of it last week when we talked about it, but the way Stacy worded. I think it was last week when she said, you know, he's, it's not that he's never had sex before, but in his, in his current relationships with women, he wants to make sure. He's waiting. He worded it in just such an odd way that, like, I don't even care if it's men or women or whatever. It's just this man is not here for you. This man is here for image and he's here to sell something. It seems like right now he's trying to sell that brand of Christianity that is not real. That's like selfish. And only for him it seems very fake. Phony and late night sales. Mini and I know that she's a QVC person, so maybe that's their thing where it's like, oh my God, this is our thing. And maybe they're gonna be great together in that way. But he comes across as very, very phony.

[Ben]

And he comes across as very upwardly mobile. And he's probably, he probably is actually trying to gain like, not a following, but like increase his presence or his, his profile maybe in like, like, like Christian media, you know. And so he's, he's like maybe try to get like a talk show on one of the, like the Christian networks or something like that. I mean, he's already on tv. He's already.

[Ronnie]

Right. I think that's why. Blasting it out. But like, he's getting it out there like, what a good little, what a good little innocent he is.

[Ben]

Well, we all, we don't know what the ulterior motives are, but we definitely pick up on the ulterior motives by the fact that he's like, you are advancing my ulterior motives, aren't you? Like, you're talking, you're sharing about us. By sharing about us. Pretty obvious you're reminding America that I exist, right? So Stacy, so, so Wendy comes over and Stacy's like, oh, my God, say hi to tj. Tj, this is Wendy. Wendy, this is tj. And Wendy's like, oh, hi. Hi. Nice to. Nice to meet you. Hi, tj. She's like being very sweet, but you can be, you can see she's looking at this guy like, who the hell is this person? Who is this cheese ball on FaceTime?

[Ronnie]

Well, Wendy does that voice she does when she's just being fake. Wendy. And then when she's talking to us. She's like, I don't know what the fuck is going on with them, but, yeah, what are they, 10 years old at camp? Like, okay.

[Ben]

And then she pulls in Jassy, and she's like, jassy, say hi. And Jesse's like, we've only heard the greatest thing about you, so thank you for taking care of my friend. Well, you're not really taking care of her, but you're in her proximity. Thanks for being in the proximity of our friend.

[Ronnie]

Thank you for calling to make sure that our friend was talking about exactly what you wanted on television. That was really kind of you. And that's when Wendy's like, yeah, they give me that virgin couple at vacation Bible school. You know, realness. And then Stacy's like, okay, I gotta go. I just wanted to say hi. And he's like, love you, miss you. I know you're not gonna say it, but I did to catch that televisions. Okay, bye.

[Ben]

Bye. Yeah, he definitely is angling to have, like, a morning show, probably with Stacy, where it's like, good morning, Bethlehem or something like that. And they're like, talking, like, morning topics or something with mugs of coffee.

[Ronnie]

Good morning, Bethlehem, guys. Upcoming we're gonna get a sports update from the three wise Men, okay? Because who better to talk about bocce ball?

[Ben]

He's like, gosh, I wish Gamora was a better place because it'd be a really good pun for Good morning, Stacy.

[Ronnie]

Do we have any deals today? We do. We have a great deal today on myrrh. Okay? You're gonna love it. Anybody? Christ coming into this world. Don't know what to get them. Myrrh's always a good option. You can never have too much myrrh.

[Ben]

And now it's time for a weekly segment where we're going to talk about ways that you can save money. We're calling it Dollars and Frankincense.

[Ronnie]

Guys, the economy is out of control. Right? Do you have a sheep? You could be making your own sweaters. There's no room in. But there is a coat on that sheep. Get your shears.

[Ben]

And now it's time for the sports report. Here to talk about what's going on with New York Christian hockey, it's Mark Belasco to give us the latest score from the New York Mangers. It's a long way to go. Long way to go to make that pun, but it was worth it.

[Ronnie]

Listen, you know, you got a baby to rest and you don't have a bed at the end here's what you do. Take a garbage pail lid, turn it upside down, and call yourself religious. Boom. You're in church murals for the rest of your goddamn life.

[Ben]

I don't know anything else about Christianity. So that's the end. And now the Amy Grant Report.

[Ronnie]

All right.

[Ben]

I kind of want to watch tj. TJ and Stacy in the.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So now Wendy is. We're all waiting for Wendy's birthday to happen, which, you know, like, grow up. Sorry. I know that birthday is so exciting to some people, but, like, who at 40 years old? Well, 40, I guess, is a big one, you know? Yeah.

[Ben]

She's literally growing up.

[Ronnie]

You're right.

[Ben]

You're like, grow up. It's like, give her 15 minutes. She will grow up.

[Ronnie]

She's just really excited. So everybody. I take it back. She deserves it for her 40th, so. Well, you saw me on my 40th. I was like, I'm not going. You're like, you're gonna come eat crab with me. You're gonna come eat crawfish? I was like, all right. So that's right. Yeah. But she's super into it.

[Ben]

Wait, did we go to. Was that when we went. Had crawfish in Alabama? No.

[Ronnie]

Oh, that was in LA by the. Remember the Fish in a Bag place by the Target on the Brain?

[Ben]

I took you there for your.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Because you already were going to dinner there with Dom's friends, and you're like, you have to come out. It's your 40th. And I was like, oh, my God.

[Ben]

I don't even remember that. That is hilarious. That was Hot and Juicy Crawfish, right?

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

I can't believe I forced you to go to Hot and Juicy crawfish on your 40th birthday.

[Ronnie]

It was lovely. It was sweet. So anyway, I'm just, like, the comparison. And she's like, everybody will stay awake for my birthday. So they do. And they're all on their phones because, you know, we're all really 13 inside. And then it's her birthday, and so they, you know, start dancing around and give her a good birthday.

[Ben]

Yeah. She gives a little speech. She talks about how she's surrounded by love and how she's basically achieved all the thing, like, so many things by 40. And she's really proud of it because her mom said people are only scared of their age when they haven't achieved what they wanted to do by that age. Or maybe death. Maybe.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Or your tits are touching your knees. How about that? Yeah. Or you're just. Maybe you Downstairs and don't remember why. I mean, there's plenty of reasons to fear it, okay?

[Ben]

I mean, look, I had some, you know, it was like. It was. I had like a moment when I aged out of the coveted 18 to 34 demo and I'm like, I am no longer coveted. I am a. I'm just another demo. I'm just a sad demo. I'm just. I'm just a Demolo. And anywhere I go, no one cares what I'm watching on tv. I could buy snacks for fun, entertain all sorts of things and no one cares about my purchasing habits. I'm not.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, no one cares.

[Ben]

I'm concluding my Just a Jiggle out parody.

[Ronnie]

We basically died already, especially in la. I showed up here, Dad. I didn't get here Till I was 28. They were like, oh my God, look at that walking coffin. Like, yeah, look at that person.

[Ben]

With only seven years left in the coveted demo. Actually six.

[Ronnie]

So yeah, she. She gives us her Wendy biannual Wendy speech where she names all of her accomplishments, her degrees, her assist. Her. No, she didn't say assistant preference professorship. That was shady of me. Her professorship, Professor. Why can't I talk professorship?

[Ben]

Well, everyone, congratulations. You got a professorship.

[Ronnie]

See us the full. I have four degrees. We know, girl, we know. God bless you.

[Ben]

She has her, her. Her web show. She has Eddie, she has children. She almost had a restaurant with Peter. You know, she's done a lot. So now it's day two. So they celebrate. Hugs, dancing. Fun times. It's great. Now it's the next morning at Lake Norman. Everyone's getting ready for the day and Wendy declares that it's going to be dramaless because it's her birthday. And as we all know, the birthdays on the show are always drama free.

[Ronnie]

You know what? I have to say I'm really enjoying this Wendy this season. This is the most enjoyable Wendy's had in a long time. And I know part of it is just like, look, I'm cheerful Wendy because they told me to be. I get that it's partly that way, but I love the Wendy that's commenting on everything that's going on because she is surrounded by such insane people. And she's so funny how she comments on everything and still kind of gets into the mess. Like she's not letting anybody getting away with her. She's not letting anybody get away with their. She still calls everybody on being wrong when they're wrong or whatever, but she's just so fun about it and so funny about it and it's so nice to see that.

[Ben]

That this, to me, is like a callback to the original Wendy. When Wendy first came on the show, she. I thought she was very funny, but she could, like, you know, like, don't come for her. She. Because she will, honestly, Wendy will just sort of take you down. And she's. This is like my favorite version of Wendy. And I think that, like, I think she tried to sort of lean into the Housewives thing starting in her second season when she was, like, happy and ness. And she really started to push that and. And be. You know, she's just going down that path, and I've always enjoyed her. But last season, it was just. It was too. She just sort of went too in terms of, like, the shrine thing. It was, like, unpleasant to watch. And she seems sort of mired in bitterness or at least unhappy. And it's like you said, it's really nice to see her just sort of have kind of a reset. Whether she realized, okay, I need to adjust my Persona or whatever it was. She is now, to me, back to, like, what I've always loved about Wendy. So I agree with you. I think she's in a great place. Good season.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, good one. So Mia and Jacqueline go sit by the pool. And it's funny that Jacqueline is carrying towels for Mia because it's just so what this season is. And she's like, I'm here to take care of you, Mia. And she like, oh, thank you. What do you want to talk? And Jacqueline's like, yesterday was a lot. Karen is just like a tough bag. A bag. Not a bag, but a cookie. It's a tough cookie to crack. No, a bag made out of cookie. Don't you have one in there? You've got to have one in that bag that you could use. Come on.

[Ben]

She goes, it's just what it is, what it is. But anyway, tell me what's going on with you, because I forgot I'm the sidekick. So what's going on in my life actually doesn't matter at all. She's like, thanks. Thanks for acknowledging that. Well, I just, like, don't want to talk about Karen anymore, you know, Like, I'm good, except for the fact that I woke up this morning and Gordon is firing up all these text messages. It's always I when I leave, and whenever I go somewhere, he does this. So that's the thing. Like, Gordon's whole thing is that when Mia goes out of town, he tries to sort of sabotage her fun times or independence by texting her Incessantly and getting under her skin.

[Ronnie]

Yes. And. Or just, you know, he's still her husband. I think he's just like, I'm here raising our children. How are you? She's like, I love you, Gordon. I can't wait to see you. I'll call you in five minutes. Why didn't you call me? God, Gordon is such a stalker.

[Ben]

He's always asking. Yeah, I was always acting like I love him or something.

[Ronnie]

So basically, he's mad because he was scrolling through Instagram and he went all the way back to April, which I don't really know what the month is right now. But wait, let's see. Wendy Osteoffo's birthday. I don't know why this matters.

[Ben]

Well, it's got to be, like, around May, because it was a graduation May.

[Ronnie]

Or June, so it wasn't that long ago. In other words, May 21st. Yeah. So it's like a month. It's been a month. Because I. Can you believe it? It was all the way back in April, so it wasn't that long. What a stalker. So he was scrolling through, and he found a screenshot of an IG post with the caption, it feels so good to be in love with someone that makes me feel loved. This man has my whole heart, and I feel so happy. And I got my best friend back, too. Hashtag complete. Miamore next chapter. Yeah, I wonder why. That would be hurtful.

[Ben]

I wonder why he's annoyed so that.

[Ronnie]

You completely deserted the second he was broke and now sick. You. You got two things and then deserted his ass for the new boyfriend.

[Ben]

Well, the broke part, like, that's his end of the deal. Like, we all know what the arrangement was in this marriage, and if he can't hold up his end of the deal, she's allowed to bolt. But Jacqueline, I'm not.

[Ronnie]

I'm not a part. I'm not disagreeing with her bolting. I supported that. But the whole, like, I can't believe he's hurt.

[Ben]

Yeah, that's.

[Ronnie]

I mean, you're not only moving on, you're flaunting it as much as you can, even in your hashtags. It's like, that's what you do when you really hate your ex, you know?

[Ben]

Yeah. And everyone's sort of clocked her for it, sort of politely or subtly. And Jacqueline does it right here, and she's like. Like, you know, she's like, yeah, you still haven't really left his side. I mean, you guys literally live in the same building. And she tells us Mia's like, very, very spoiled. And Mia likes Gordon to wait on her hand and foot, and he has done that since the first date, and he still does that to this day. But if Mia wants to get this relationship with Ink and make it permanent, I feel like she needs to kind of like, cut the umbilical cord and let me be the one to wait on her hand and foot. I mean, hello, Towels do not transport themselves to the pool commercials.

[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

I mean, it's like, I do love him. It's like, I tell you I love you, but I'm not in love with you. It's like I say, God, I wish we could just be married again. But, like, married, like best friends and not married, you know, I don't know why he's confused. So Jacqueline's like, yeah, you need to stop saying all of this, because for someone who's not over you, you need to tread very lightly with the words you say, because, you know, he really wants a second chance and he wants to get you back. And that's why, like, him seeing Ink around you and, like, with the kids, like, you just need to separate, create separation.

[Ronnie]

Right now, Mia's like, it's dealing with someone with mania. I mean, the train just goes off, and then they just get more distracted. I mean, come on. It's not mania. You. His feelings are hurt. Oh, my God. And she's like, oh. And the number one guideline when you're dealing with a close loved one with bipolar is to support them and make them know that they're not alone. And if he wants to be close, allow him to be close. You just can't be with me. So if someone loves you, just lead them on. Literally. It's the doctor prescribed way to do it. It.

[Ben]

She's so.

[Ronnie]

She's so beautiful, but she's so funny about it. It's like the second she's done with. With Gordon, she's like, he's. He spoke to me in five different voices today. I'm not really sure what to do, but I'm trying to find a jacket for him so he could feel comfortable where the sleeves are sewn together and.

[Ben]

He can't move, you know? And then, you know, I didn't say anything, and then he just goes, you know. You know, say you're at my side, and I'm beginning to believe you're keeping me close. He said to me, I'm beginning to believe you're keeping me close to help your life more e. Be more easy. And Jacqueline's like, yeah, I kind of agree with that. She's like, but, like, he's the father of my kids. Like, of course he's supposed to make my life more easy. What are you talking about? Jacqueline?

[Ronnie]

Yeah. You can't call him a babysitter when he's the father. And she's like, I could hire a nanny. And Jacqueline's like, yeah, well, you probably should. And she's. Gordon was saying with this post makes me question a lot of things regarding our life. Like. And she's like, oh, my God, like, it's seven in the morning.

[Ben]

And Jacqueline's like, yeah, but, like, he's like, clearly not over you, and he's having a hard time, and he feels like you're using him. And she goes, but, like, I don't get that part because he's even sad. And I have, like, messages. He's like, said, like, thank you so much for being there for me. And, like, thank you so much for taking care of me. And how I'm like, how am I, like, using him if I'm, like, helping him? I'm like, I feel like, dude, you need help mania. Am I right?

[Ronnie]

And Jacqueline's like, you are financially supporting him, so he should be watching the kids. You know what I mean? And she's like, yeah, if anyone's getting used, it's me. And she says, yeah, you know. Yeah, you know, they're basically just like.

[Ben]

Jacqueline's basically like, okay, I've basically spoken out against. Against you. And now as a sidekick, it's my duty to come back and agree with everything you say. So I'm. I'm back in the fold. So then we go, right?

[Ronnie]

I was trying to disagree with you, and it was extremely uncomfortable. So let's go back to the other way.

[Ben]

I'm gonna go back. So now we go up to Bethesda for Angel endorse, cap and gown ceremony and slash, like, cell phone footage and the kid. You know, the girls graduate. It's lovely. Giselle and Jamal have, like, a little, like, looks like they have a little function, a little luncheon or something for the girls.

[Ronnie]

They. Giselle looks as tired of this storyline as I am. I mean, by the time she gets up there to give this speech, she's like, we are so lucky to have two wonderful daughters. They are so great. And Jamal's like, yeah, we've got two children who have never stayed out past curfew or never snuck out at night, at least that I know of. And she goes, yeah, they did that. What the are you talking about? You didn't raise those children. It's like, yeah, look, at these kids never sneaking it. You weren't there, sir. Okay. He's like, I did raise them 75% of this speech.

[Ben]

Excuse me. He gave them Nicki Minaj tickets and a. And a management share of Arizona's, which came with free refills at the.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

You can get.

[Ronnie]

Get 80% of the time of the speech. But Giselle's just exhausted. She's like, now, here are my children. We're so proud. I mean, I felt it was nice seeing it, but I basically felt like this. Same as I do every graduation. Do it in the mail. You know what I mean? Like, this is my day we're spending.

[Ben]

Yeah, it was. It was very nice. Obviously, like, Giselle's daughters of three of. Three of the best. Like, children on Bravo. But, like, we did sort of see this last year. I know. You know, I like. I'd liked. I liked that this had a moment. It was fine. But I just had a feeling of dread knowing that it's. It's going to continue all season long. It's like, oh, here come Angel. Indoor shopping for college. Angel in a door getting sweatshirts. Angel in a door going to Starbucks for the last time in Potomac while they live under Giselle's roof. It's gonna just keep on going, and, like, I don't need it. Like, I just, like, send them off. Off. Godspeed.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it's life, but, you know, it's not part of life that I like to take part in. So. Same same on tv. So then Lake Norma Day, too. There's a breakfast buffet. So now it's like, Wendy is still your birthday. She's like, oh, my God, everybody is my first saving party. And she's like, I'm just so loved. I just. My phone's been ringing. I'm just. Oh, God, everyone's just making me feel so special. Okay. Hey, you know, happy birthday. You know, congrats on your. Because we've all got those as well.

[Ben]

Yeah. And Ashley is like, so like, any bucket list. Bucket list. Things that you want to do for your 40th year. And she's like, jump out of the plane. Has anybody done it? You've done it, right? Ashley. She's like, yeah, it's not near death. You just, like, literally fall at terminal velocity. So you just sort of feel like you're suspended in midair.

[Ronnie]

It was sort of like the emotional.

[Ben]

State I had to put myself in to be married to Michael for all those years. Years.

[Ronnie]

But she actually loved it. She was like, yeah, you just like so much. And Come down. We had so much fun. It was like our second day back in 2012. And then when we got down from skydiving, we really did some diving. Yeah. It was so hot. We had the best wink, wink. I know you don't know what I'm talking about, but, yeah, it was inside me, swishing around, and I was like, oh, my God. How can you go hard and soft so fast? Like, what are you, a finger puppet? It was crazy. Oh, God, it was so sexy. I just want to think about it over. And I was like, okay, could you stop rolling around in the Michael sex story? Why? You're still trying to make us believe that you're a single woman who's about to have a dating show on television.

[Ben]

I know. Yeah. Well, the. The skydiving instructor did say it was the first time his ass had been groped while falling from a plane, so that was exciting, too, for him.

[Ronnie]

I've seen so many men run from Michael, but that was the first man I saw fly away from Michael. So it was a pretty momentous day.

[Ben]

So. So me. Wendy's basically asking me what the plan is. Wendy asked Mia what the plan is for the rest of the day. And Mia's like, oh, yeah, there's gonna be some chilling by the pool. And then she can. Then she's like. And then at, like, 1:30, I'm gonna take you guys to, like, one of my very first doctor offices that I opened here in Charlotte. And everyone's like, doctor's office. And she's like, yeah, Dr. McDaddy is the actual doctor. Now, listen, we know that Mia lies. This is her. Mia's whole thing. Every season, Mia just lies. Every episode, Mia just lies. And then when you confront her about it, goes, well, I guess I wasn't totally telling the truth. You got to do. If you're going to lie, do better than coming up with McDaddy. That was worse than me trying to finish my Just a Jiggalo Song parody.

[Ronnie]

Okay, but aren't they going to go meet this doctor? I think he's going to be ruled. He's going to be real. Because she's like, I want to go show you this doctor. Dr. McDaddy.

[Ben]

Like, are you just reading bad recaps about Grey's Anatomy? McDonald?

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I think his name is actually spelled McDotty. But she's like, Dr. McDaniel. I love that Mia is just wanting everybody to believe that she's like, you know, opening doctors offices all over the country and stripping at the steak of lobster place. Place at the same time, like, what. What is going on there? Not to say, you know, like, a lot of strippers are, like, you know, brilliant lawyers now, you know, I'm not taking anything away from that. You know that I. I love a stripper. I always have. But this whole. This Mia, just her. The first doctor's office. I. Oh, okay. Okay. I'll say. Crack the back stores are not off doctor's offices.

[Ben]

I know. Although the funny thing is, like, I may go to the joint chiropractic later today. I'm gonna be thinking about Mia the entire time. Time. So Karen is. Karen's like, McDy. McDaddy does McD. McDaddy got Mc Hole with him. So then Giselle FaceTimes in. They're all having breakfast, and Giselle FaceTimes in to say happy birthday, and she says she is at the airport to fly in. And I'm like, I don't understand the timing of this if it's breakfast in the same time zone. Because it is the same time zone. How did you already have a cap and gown ceremony and some sort of reception afterwards? I smell funny business.

[Ronnie]

This is the next day, right? So I think she flew out there in the day, went to the cap and gown ceremony, had dinner, and then flew back. Right. In the morning, right?

[Ben]

No, Giselle flew out at night. Remember, they throw on the boat? And I was like, I'm leaving you all. And so she left at night and was like, I'm gonna come back the next day. But she's calling, saying she's at the airport, but it's the morning. Unless they're having a brunch at, like, 12, but that's still. Look, a cap and gown ceremony is gonna start at, like, 10am and then it's gonna be done by noon, and then you have lunch. Like, it's all. Everything is wrapped up by three, so the timing is off for me, and I feel like I want answers.

[Ronnie]

No. Yeah. I don't. I don't really care, but whatever.

[Ben]

You know what, Ronnie? You and literally every other person. But for me, I want answers.

[Ronnie]

Well, I hope you get them. Damn it. So Wendy's like, look, everybody, it's my best friend Giselle. And they're doing this thing. Like, we've really come a long way. You guys have liked each other for five minutes. Okay.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Good. Indeed. And Wendy's like, this is a symbol of how I want my 40s to be just then, forgiving, moving forward, being open. Okay, bye. Click. So then Jacqueline's like, wow. You know, when you hold grudges and you don't let go of things. It's only going to make you bitter and nasty and mean. And they're like, oh, she's talking about Karen.

[Ben]

Yeah. Wendy's birthday request is immediately shot down by Jacqueline. And they're like, oh, my God. And Jacqueline's like, yeah, you just gotta let things go. And Mia's like, yeah, and when you hold grunges, it's gonna make you a bitter old, like, Dr. McDaddy's wife. So Stacy's like, are you talking about Karen? Our sweet, wonderful Karen Huger. And then it, like, the camera, like, pans over to Karen and she's staring at the camera like a sock puppet. Like.

[Ronnie]

Just doing that thing. Yeah. Where she sucks in her cheeks and she's like, why would they think they're talking about me without talking about somebody old? And Ashley's like, jacqueline, are you alluding to anything else? And no, I'm not talking about Karen. I'm just saying in general. And Karen's like, well, I'm not having fun. This is to us. I'm not having fun. First I had to fight off Jacqueline, and then Mia came at me with three year haunting stories she thought she had. Ding, ding. And then on top of that, my alleged situation. I'm gonna make the best of it. I'm going to meditation. I'm gonna make it through. I'm gonna go home. Karen, please stop driving the table in a curb. I'm so sorry. I'm stopping the table.

[Ben]

So Kieran, who's. Who's. Who's also here is like, well, I think that, like, Karen needs a goddamn break this morning because after last night's episode, like, what the hell was that, Mia? Like, not a three year throwback. Honey, I am still gagged this morning. So then Jassy is like, yeah, I was gonna say, I am so over the Karen conversation. Hey, did that, like, put me a little bit ahead of Kierna in the race for a flute? No. Okay.

[Ronnie]

So then Karen is like, yeah, yeah, that was a little low. And Mia's like, well, remember, this is boot camp. This is. You give girlfriends boot camp. Karen gave it to me. No, she didn't. Karen did not do that. When you were on Karen by you through everything. Yeah, yeah, Talking.

[Ben]

Wendy gave it to you. Like, this is Mia hazing newbies. And I'm like, I'm sorry, Mia. Like, in my mind, Mia still is a newbie, even though she. This is, I think, her fourth season on the show. And I just think it's like, I don't. I think it's shitty. First of all, because I don't think there should be hazing on these shows. Not because I'm taking some sort of sanctimonious stance on hazing, but we're supposed to be watching a show that's about people coexisting. And I'm not here to watch people hazing newbies for being on a TV show. Like, I'm not. I don't care about your politics of how you like for screen time. Like, you should just. Your job is that you show up and you interact with people. So I don't like it when Mia does it. I don't like it when Heather Gay does it to Bronwyn either. I would like to add. So I think it's just like, no.

[Ronnie]

One should be hazed anyway. You know, kids die like that. I've seen. I saw a Lifetime movie about that, about somebody getting hazed to death. I think they died in the toilet. I mean, what a way to go just to get into some stupid, you know, Delta Delta, whatever the it is.

[Ben]

Delta Delta.

[Ronnie]

Although those girls are all very nice. My niece is in a sorority and they just like. You know what they do? They paint banners. She's on Banner Club and they paint banners and they're like, hey, girl, my K girl. And they're so nice to each other. I just can't imagine them injecting each other with drugs or, like, making them horses or any of the other vile things that me is making girls do.

[Ben]

That's how they get you. Well, and the banner does say hazing starts here. So it's a little weird.

[Ronnie]

The banners are like, get ready to a horse.

[Ben]

I mean, obviously hazing is bad, but also I just think it's like, hazing on a TV show is stupid. Like, they're just better things to do. And like. Like, we're not tuning in here to watch you haze a newbie. Like, we're tuning in to watch you have, like, actual ridiculous, other ridiculous interactions that pertain to stuff that actually is on the show. Not like how you feel about pecking order on behind the Scenes. So. But that's what Mia's doing. She's basically hazing Kierana, you know, throwing her in the bunk bedroom and talking down to her here. And Kierna, I have to say, this was a great episode for Kieran because Karen is not going to take it. And Karen proved why. She actually. Of all the newbies that are on this season, why she is one of the people who actually nabbed a champagne flute. Because she is basically, like, holds her ground. And it's like, you, Mia. And she basically, I think that she actually, as they would say, gathered Mia.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, she was. Mia's like, well, she sent me through boot camp and I passed and I got my flu and we're working on yours still. She goes, oh, you wanted a flute, you needed a flute. I don't need a flute. I'm happy. Emmy is like, I don't need one. Let's be clear. She goes, are you sure? Because that triangle is very, very interesting. Which is interesting because she's saying, oh, you don't need a flute, yet you're trying to hold your job by pretending you're in a threesome triangle with your old man husband and your. Your llc. Come on.

[Ben]

Yeah. So then Mia does a classic Mia thing, which is she just sort of of pull something out of hat. Oh, yeah, you want to talk about your drug dealer boyfriend, maybe? And Karen was like, oh, and what drug dealer is that? She goes on, don't play. Don't come for me. She goes, which one? Which one? And now she's like, well, by the way, I mean, that rumor has gone around, like people have said, and I don't know if it's now or in the past that you dated a drug dealer. I'm like, I guarantee the people who said it was Mia.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Doing exactly what Karen. She was accusing Karen of doing, which is, you know, having something in your, you know, little file that you're ready to pull out and use. So she's been at least trained. Well, so she has that. That's what. That's the big thing about against Kieran, that she used to date a drug dealer. Which in my, you know, look, here's what I say. Yeah, I dated someone with a job, which is more than I can say for a lot of you at this point.

[Ben]

Exactly.

[Ronnie]

Get off my entrepreneur X. Okay?

[Ben]

And Kierna now is like, well, the man I'm dating now is a licensed clinical social worker, which is like, aha. Yeah, I negate all. All drug dealer, you know, rumors, because I have a clinical social worker, which is very virtuous. So Mia's like, yeah, but the one in the past. And she's like, okay, well, what's in your past? And she goes, oh, well, I'm a stripper. I was an ex stripper turned entrepreneur, self made millionaire. Did I have to say Dr. McDy one more time? And Karen is like.

[Ronnie]

Well, she can't.

[Ben]

She made herself Marry Gordon.

[Ronnie]

Kieran is like, I love all entrepreneurs. I always have. Alma, I didn't have to go to the streets. Yes, you did. And Kieran says, oh, okay, well, that is the streets. That's about as street as you can get, maybe.

[Ben]

Which, yeah, this is. This is the part where Mia starts also arguing with potato salad. Because now. Now after everything that Mia says, she takes an enormous scoop of potato salad and just, like, puts it in her mouth like, aha. But because she never. Because Kiana is sort of like, keeps coming back to her, Mia winds up having to take a lot of potato salad. She's like, okay, well, this will be the final potato salad bite, and that is that. And Kieran will be like, well, one more thing. She's like, okay, well, I guess I'll have to have another scoop of potato salad to close out this argument.

[Ronnie]

She's like, pac Manning that. Because Kieran, I wanted the scene.

[Ben]

She's like, what part of me eating this giant scoop of potato salad means the argument continues on. It is over.

[Ronnie]

We know that you know about the streets stitches. Oh. She goes, we know you know about the street stitches. And then she points to her forehead. I'm like, oh, no, no. And Kieran is like, oh, you weren't that far when you assaulted we. Wendy. Keep it cute. The face. The glass. Keep it cute. The face. And Wendy's like, to cause some with stitches who went through a traumatic experience in the GNA event. It's just that sentence. And then to use that name in the mocking type of way, that's pretty low. I mean, it's like, I'm just saving a fact. Stitches.

[Ben]

And then, by the way, in the midst of this, Stacy is like, I just don't know what's going on. I think the only reason Kay called Mia strippers because she called her man a drug dealer. I mean, who knows what's true?

[Ronnie]

Well.

[Ben]

Well, I guess it is true that Mia was a stripper. Right? Well, okay, well, I don't. I don't really know where to go with this, but just don't let this.

[Ronnie]

So wait, then her boyfriend was he. Oh, I don't know what to do with you being. She just, like, throws her hands up in the air. She's like, okay, listen, we've got a stripper fighting with the girl, the ex girlfriend of a drug dealer. What the do you want me to say?

[Ben]

We're. We're not going to put this on the sizzle reel for Good Morning Bethlehem, are we? So Karen is like. She's like. She's so. I'm sorry. So Mia is like, I'm just eating the bag. And Karen's like, well, she elevated it in the moment. And Jacqueline goes, we don't harp on people's past. I'm like, all you and Mia do is talk about the good old days at Lake Norman. That is your story about who? Like, who the time that, like, Mia slept with Ink and you were in the other room, or the time you slept with Ink and me was in the other room, or the time that. That both of you guys left with McDaddy or whatever. So don't talk about. You don't talk about people's past. And Wendy's like, oh, really? We don't hop on people's past. Say that to your friend. What do you mean? Your friend Mia, the one who brought. Brought up that she used, you know, who Kiana used to date. And because Jacqueline's like, I can't believe that Kieran. I would bring up me as past.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, you just did it. And it did the rewind of five minutes ago with Jacqueline just doing that so then. Or Mia just doing that, so then she's. Wendy's like, do you understand? She goes, but I thought that she was the one who initiated. And she goes, no, Mia did. And she goes, yeah, I sure did.

[Ben]

Can someone please pass the potatoes out? I've used up my scene ending scoops.

[Ronnie]

This is so, so funny. So they're like, okay, guys, let's go month straight on Wendy's birthday. And then Ashley goes, okay, but I want to ask you a question. Do you have a scar on your forehead? And she's like, I do. I do. I still have one. And all of you people asking me about a goddamn scar, she goes, because I want to know, like, what did you use? That's all I asked. Because you have a skincare line, right? Does it miraculously get rid of scars?

[Ben]

How. How deep does the scar have to be before your skincare stops working on it? And Karen's like, don't ask me about my scar. And I should say, well, you know, because you have a skincare line, so I want you to be able to promote it. I also want to remind people that your beautiful face now has a flaw on it because of the fight that you got into. She's like, you know what? Don't ask me a thing about my scar. Do not ask me about my score. So she gets away, and she's crying, and now she's like, what?

[Ronnie]

Why?

[Ben]

What's wrong with my scar? What's Wrong with saying that she's like, don't ask me about my scar. Don't ask me about it.

[Ronnie]

I was just asking the 1-800-number to her company that he'll scar so miraculously. I don't understand. Understand.

[Ben]

Have you brought your scar on the daddy yet? I hear he's also a dermatologist.

[Ronnie]

So of course. Ashley's so innocent. She was just trying to be helpful. I mean, I don't do with the big deals. The big deal is she got that scar from somebody you brought on the show to cause shit, and now you're trying to give her and say that she doesn't have a scar and that this whole thing has been drama to stay on the show. Ashley. See what? Ashley just stays so innocent all the time. So then now they move on to who wears glasses? So Jazzy's. Jazzy's like, do you wear glasses? And Ashley's like, no, I didn't see anything. And Jessica goes, oh, so you don't wear sunglasses? Well, if you actually look at her head, you would see the scar, okay? Oh, that's why you're asking about glasses. No, I did look at her head and I didn't see one.

[Ben]

Well, it's funny that you mentioned glasses because I am thinking about opening up a lens markdown here with Dr. McDaddy. And so Kieran is like, I don't give a about me and her little antics, okay? Ashley shouldn't be asking me anything about my face. She just shouldn't be. So Wendy hugs her and consoles her, and Karen is basically like, you know what? Like, Ashley, like, why are you asking me? Like, you clearly know the cause of my scar. Like, you shouldn't even be mentioning anything about my face. You should actually just shut the up.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, especially because it was your ex friend and she's like, it was very. It was very serious. And I live with a form of a scar every single day. What does that mean? Now you've got me wondering, what is.

[Ben]

The form of a scar?

[Ronnie]

What the is that?

[Ben]

It's the form of a scar. A new book by Nicholas Sparks. So then you make cakes in it.

[Ronnie]

And you put the cake batter in, you cook it in the form of a scar, and it comes out like a scar.

[Ben]

Hello, I would like to apply to have a scar on my face. Did you fill out your forms? Oh, I didn't realize I had to have a form of a scar. Okay, one moment, please.

[Ronnie]

America's Best Dance Crew. You did amazing. What wonderful form of a scar you've got. You're going through to the next round.

[Ben]

So Stacy's like, mia, Mia. We were just in your company with your friends last night, and they were elevating you, and it was so beautiful. So can we please try to keep that spirit this morning? Can we just keep the spirit positive and light this morning? You guys, seriously, it is a lot. So Kieran is like, okay, well, you know, I planned on having fun, and I still plan on having fun, but, Ashley, as far as you ask me anything about my face and any scar that I have and or any other personal thing that is totally off limits for you and I.

[Ronnie]

Okay, Jacqueline, Just going. But wait, how did it come up again?

[Ben]

Jacqueline, you're the one who started this whole thing after Wendy said, I want to have a drama free day. And you're like, yes, drama free. Otherwise become old and wrinkled, like, in a stupid old bag like Karen.

[Ronnie]

So funny. So Karen's like, well, can I be a little messy? Okay, how do I say this? Aren't you trying to work it out with Mr. Pee, Jacqueline? And we see a flashback to Pee Pee, her partnered. What is it?

[Ben]

Patrick, my parent or Patrick partner? Patrick, the. The.

[Ronnie]

The.

[Ben]

The hot, like, parental partner, I think.

[Ronnie]

Well, he's also police, so he could be PPP and just be a loan that nobody paid back, by the way. I paid those. I paid those my taxes.

[Ben]

That makes you an ip, Your intellectual property. So Jacqueline is like, well, at this moment, we are moving in a very positive direction in terms of our co parenting with our children as well as our relationship. We are co parenting our relationship. I just want to say that. And Karen is like, oh, so that's after the 25 convictions he had. Did you stand by him? Were you a soldier for him the way Ray was a soldier for me?

[Ronnie]

Oh, my gosh. What?

[Ben]

25 convictions. 25. That. That's a number. That's not even in that song from Wrench. So Karen is like, I know because I sing it every day with TJ.

[Ronnie]

655-256-00 minutes. Thank you, God. I worried about my homo card being lost there. Yours, however, has been revoked. Mine didn't know 25 was in that song. 25 is in that song.

[Ben]

5025. No, 2500 is in the song, but not 25.

[Ronnie]

The word 25 is in that song.

[Ben]

I was being specific about the value of 25.

[Ronnie]

Okay. 525, 000, by the way. 625 minutes, by the way.

[Ben]

For the record, I still don't have my homework because I've never been able to know the numbers in that song. Like, give me the McDonald's Big Macma DLT a Quarter Pounder with some cheese filet. Official hamburger or cheeseburger? A Happy Meal, McDonald's tasty Goldie French fries. Regular or larger size? I can do that, but the wrench is general. 235, 49, 36 divided by 3 is a number that has an infinite decimal place.

[Ronnie]

That's it. I'm taking away your boyfriend until you learn that song and watch Steel Magnolias.

[Ben]

Someone. Someone on Reddit, like, a month ago was like, I hate when Ben sings. And I'm like, I'm sorry, everyone.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

I'm doubling down today.

[Ronnie]

Oh, really?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Who would say such a thing? What?

[Ben]

I've got such a beautiful voice.

[Ronnie]

Don't even listen to that.

[Ben]

Well, I'm Barbara, because I am singing today.

[Ronnie]

My own little Barbara. Papa, can you hear me? So Jacqueline's like, okay, well, it was just an internal investigation within the police department. They weren't like, public. They weren't public charges or anything like that. He ended up losing his position. He's moved past it, and now he has a new position as a police officer, so. So it's quite funny to me that Karen had to dig up some old information. Really? That's what me. And she said Karen has. I think it's even worse when it's a cop, isn't it?

[Ben]

Yeah. You. You just said that he failed upwards, basically, like, there was an internal review. He was reprimanded. He lost his position because of what happened, and now he has another position.

[Ronnie]

They just move around the company. It's like the Catholics are running it over there.

[Ben]

Jesus Christ. So Karen's like, jacqueline has been nothing but an enemy to me this year to spew things that are not factual about my life, and I respond by spewing facts about your life. The facts of life. Who would have thought there was a natural comeback?

[Ronnie]

Oh, by the way, you take the good, you take the bad. Ray, come take the rest. Ray, very busy. I wanted to say something about Catholicism because I don't know why that came up again. Catholic Catholics. Oh, yeah. To different towns. Oh, right, right, right. Because I was like, catholic Church. Who would, like, choose that of, once you've been to another church, the services are much slower. So why would you go back to Catholicism where services can be hours and hours? Okay. I say that because I went to Catholic school when I was younger. I went to, like, 20 schools, by the way. But I went to Catholic school when I was a freshman girl. Those services were so long. And it was all the time. It was constant. And we had a lot of Catholics like Ronnie. How dare you? My service is an hour and a half, tops. Here's how long. Church should be on the car radio on the way to McDonald's for five minutes. That's it. Jesus loves you. Be nice to each other. Y'all do what you need to do. Give me your 10%. Help other people. We're done here. Eat your Big Mac.

[Ben]

That's why we need Good morning, Bethlehem, because that way you get all the church you need at the kitchen table. You can proceed onwards. So, yeah, I saw some people were like, wait a second. My Catholic service is on our tops. So I was like, oh, Ronnie, too long. Ronnie got into trouble.

[Ronnie]

Ronnie got too long.

[Ben]

Trouble.

[Ronnie]

It's like when you watch a peacock show and they're an hour instead of 42 minutes. It's too long. Okay, I need the easy, cool church version where they play a couple of rock songs poorly on their big Megatron screen. And I'm sitting in a. A movie theater recliner that. That sh. And reverses. And it's like, why does three of me and I get a Big Gulp? Okay, that's.

[Ben]

You need to go. You need to join Mosaic in Hollywood. And then what you can do is you can talk to the cool preacher, the cool pastor who wears capri pants and has his head. His head's shaved on the sides, but it's like long in the front and flopped over to the side and can be like, hey, guys, let's go to the coffee shop across the street and talk about the Lord. And then. Then they sit at a. And while you're sitting there trying to enjoy your coffee and peace, you have a bunch of 22 year old future stars at the CW talking to this guy about, like, you know, Jesus, just like, awesome, right? Like, yeah, Jesus, like awesome. I'm not saying this is my personal experience with the Mosaic church, but I'm not saying it didn't happen either.

[Ronnie]

That name has always cracked me up because it's just like a beautiful. A bunch of really beautiful broken pieces.

[Ben]

Yeah. You know, Mosaic is the church. Mosaic is the church in Hollywood where people, like, when. When all the youngins come to Hollywood to make it big. All these beautiful, beautiful youngins, they come to Hollywood to make it big, but they still want to do churchy things. So they join Mosaic and it's all these, like, beautiful people who love going across the street to the coffee shop, and they just Sit there and talk about Jesus and, like. But in, like, a way that's, like, not very spiritual. Like, man, Jesus is just, like, so dope. Like, he's literally, like, so cool. Like, I wish I could, like, hang out with Jesus. And you're sitting there like, I just want to have my coffee. Have to talk about this all the time. Right next to.

[Ronnie]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. That Jesus is go weight. That's what I would say in the coffee shop. How does he do it? Okay, so. So Karen brings up the PPP thing, and she's like, you know, Jacqueline has been nothing but an enemy to me this year, and to spew things that are not factual about my life, I respond by spewing facts about your life. What do you think about that? And she's like, so did you stand by him? And she goes, yes. And she's like, well, I was told that you left him because of those 25 charters, which is my birthday year. 25, 25, 10, and a tutu or two.

[Ben]

I just celebrated my. I just celebrated my triple 25 minus triple five. And Jacqueline's like, well, you need to get your facts and maybe your math straight. And she's like, well, you need to talk to Mia, because that was a miraculous recovery last night at the table when. When she saved your ass, supposedly, by throwing me under the bus. Little does she realize that I am a fence, and I am not well drove. Driven over by a bus, unless maybe I'm driving it.

[Ronnie]

And Mia's like, well, Jacqueline stood by that man. She rebuilt that man. She got hurt by that man. That man hurt her again. Then she stood outside, and he ran her over. Then he put her on a bicycle so she could still get home, but then ran over the bike, and she still stood by that man. So she's loyal for now.

[Ben]

When does that come? Like, hold on, Mia. So you're here trying to point out how my friend dated a drug dealer, but your best friend has 25 convictions. I need. You know, I need to get some more sugar. I'm gonna call Giselle. It's much more of a productive conversation.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then Jacqueline's like, you need to get your facts straight, Jacqueline. You need to get your goddamn facts straight. You are so bad at this. Jacqueline is so bad at this. As it's actually fun to watch. I love that they're leaning into Jacqueline. Just terrible at Housewives, Housewifery. So Karen's like, you need to talk to me. You need to talk to Mia, because that was a miraculous Recovery. Last night at the table when you saved her ass. Her ass. And supposedly by throwing me under the bus. Hey.

[Ben]

Ashley is basically saying how this is Karen's thing is that she'll just, like, come out back at you like. Like a boxer. And then we got to Karen, who's wearing boxing gloves, and she's like, so many times you're going to put me up against the ropes and I'm going to swing. I'm going to swing and swing and.

[Ronnie]

Swing, swing and swing.

[Ben]

Don't with me. I'm a million dollar baby. A triple 20, baby.

[Ronnie]

I love that. They're like, karen's a boxer. And then she's like, in boxing gloves. You bet your ass I am. So Jacqueline's like, well, because he was a police officer and because he had different accounts, that happened to him in a very racist police department. It literally happened, like, I don't know. Damn. Six or seven years ago. And now she goes, yeah, everybody has a pass. Wendy just starts laughing. She goes, oh, okay, now everybody has a pass.

[Ben]

Yeah, now. Oh, okay. It's all, okay. Everyone has a pass, okay? And everyone's like, laughing and everything. And Jacqueline's like, well, I can't believe, Karen, you would bring up someone. Somebody that's not even here at this table. You came for the father of my children. You're a horrible person to bring up something that. That. That the person is not even here to defend. And Karen's like, well, you're a sink driven in white and pure snow. Get the fuck out of here.

[Ronnie]

I literally said one thing to you, Karen. Why'd you have to take it to this level? She goes, you haven't said anything to me. You went around this group and you thought it wouldn't get back to me, but, well, I'm well respected in this group. Look at them all. Look at them all listening to me. Okay, get off your phones.

[Ben]

Here's some more Uber cards for you, Karen. I'm very well respected.

[Ronnie]

I'm sorry. I just wanted to wear this hashtag tax evasion shirt that Giselle made you a few years ago because we're friends now. How dare you. Jacqueline's like, okay, with your two dys. And then she keeps. Jacqueline, by the way, keeps getting up, up and moving and then getting up and walking off and coming right back. She's. Her floppery is hilarious. And Karen's like, I don't have two dys. Ding. That.

[Ben]

So Stacy tells us. Clearly Jacqueline pushed Karen to the edge because now she's talking about other people's court cases. And right now, I feel like it's just kind of justified accusing someone of being drunk when they're literally fighting for their life and their reputation and their freedom about a court case that involves drunk driving. You're poking the bear. Come on, Jacqueline. You started it.

[Ronnie]

I love that Stacy's down that place where she's like, well, this is all wrong. But this is better than that, because she was making fun of drunk driving alligators, so she kind of earned it. So then they just keep going on. But Karen has won this one for sure. Jacqueline looks like an idiot, and she's trying to, you know, say defamation and, oh, he's not sitting at this table. So Wendy's like, well, well, you all want to talk about her ex boyfriend? That was defamation. And so, you know, it's just going back and forth.

[Ben]

Yeah. Like, don't forget, like, she's. They start with kids.

[Ronnie]

Oh, shut up. Just shut up.

[Ben]

It was a vague comment. Shut your ass up. No, no.

[Ronnie]

Yeah.

[Ben]

Not nailing. To calm the down, she's like, shut up. You shut up. You shut up. You shut up. You shut up. Shut up. You're. And then, like, they're like, yelling. And then Stacey goes, it is her birthday. It is her birthday. Say, show some respect, Stacy. Stacey is horrified at all times. It's such a fun angle for this show.

[Ronnie]

So then they're like, okay, it's my birthday. Yes, Wendy, we know. So then Jacqueline is still trying to go, that is low. That was so low. And one thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna fight for people I love. And I love Patrick. And he didn't deserve that. He probably didn't deserve another job either, but he got it. So, you know, I haven't seen all the evidence, but that's a lot of counts.

[Ben]

Well, you. You thought that just because I'm a nice person, you can with me. Well, don't do it. And Jack, it's like, well. And he's always told me, leave Karen alone. I love Karen. Oh, sure, sure. Patrick talks to you. I'm sure. Yes. And so Wendy's like, okay, well, can we do a toast? Can we do a toast here? Toast to happiness. And she goes, let us toast to happiness. And the world wide. And they're all like, to the world wide web.

[Ronnie]

So now it's time to get up from the table. And Jazzy is talking to Karen. And K. And K is like, you know how I feel about my face. And then I have this bitch who's like, you know, who looks like, rocks between. No. Then I got a bitch who looked like rocks been thrown at her face.

[Ben]

Talking about my goddamn scar.

[Ronnie]

She's like, are you okay that you had. Looks like she has a rock thrown at her face.

[Ben]

K is so funny. I think, like, finally, like, we're getting, like, Karen is truly emerging. And, like, the. The Karen that has emerged is. She has a way with words that is really great. Like, she had a. Like, several, like, over the course of this argument.

[Ronnie]

So she goes to Chaz and goes, wait, who did that? And she goes, rocks thrown at her face. I'm talking about Mia. Just.

[Ben]

Oh, yeah.

[Ronnie]

She's trying to say crater face, right?

[Ben]

Yes.

[Ronnie]

Which makes it absolutely hilarious that that's how she interprets crater face. Like actual craters.

[Ben]

She's actually giving the back. She's actually throwing the back story of the craters. Yeah, rocks. Little asteroids went at Mia's face.

[Ronnie]

That kills me.

[Ben]

So then Jacqueline's talking to Ash, and she goes. The fact that she. She keeps throwing salt about something that she's having issues with. I love how Jacqueline always does half. Half a metaphor. Like, not rubbing.

[Ronnie]

She's terrible at it.

[Ben]

She's like, what? She called Karen a bag before. Like, a tough bag. And now she's like, now she's throwing.

[Ronnie]

Salt about something cookie that you couldn't. She's like, that is one. That is an uncrackable cookie.

[Ben]

No use crying over spilled salt. Am I right?

[Ronnie]

So then, like, Karen, back to Karen. Karen's like, well, I don't relish what I just had to do, but call me a hot dog and squeeze it on me again because I made in. And Stacey's like, your hands were forced, Karen. They were forced. It's just. Well, I don't start it. I finished it. Like, someone better finish this hot dog before I get more relish squirted on me.

[Ben]

Like I said to that traffic median, I'm going to finish you right now because I'm driving over you, literally. So Wendy's like, you know what? She couldn't handle it. She was squirming. She got up. She moved to a different seat. You totally won. And Stacy's like, she could not even sit next to you. Unlike tj I cannot wait to sit next to that man. That hunk. A hunk of man. Karen's like, well, we are better than Jacqueline and her behavior towards me in the circle. And I don't throw rumors up. I throw facts up. And also lies. A little bit of rumors, too, now that I think about it. All of this is Black and white.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So then Jacqueline is talking to me and Ashley, and, you know, she's like, she's deflecting. And Mia's like, yeah, like Karen said, he has 25 counts. And she goes, no, there's not 25 counts. She's. Well, she has eight, and we can read her accounts. And now she's like, yeah, that's the difference. So Mia pulls out the evidence, you know, very quickly charges.

[Ben]

She just has that ready, by the way, like, Mia pretend her favorite Karen. And she's like, she's like, she has the documents ready at a moment's notice, right? She's like, yeah, well, look at this. Negligent. Negligent Driving in careless and prudent manner, endangering property in life and person. And Jacqueline's like, right, right. She's endangering people's lives. I'm gonna use that against her next. And me, it's like, reckless driving vehicle in wanton in willful disregard to see the in person and property driving vehicle on the highway with suspended registration. I mean, it just goes on and on.

[Ronnie]

And Jacqueline's like, yeah, don't throw stones at she. No, she goes, don't throw glasses. If you don't throw glass at a glass house. Don't put glasses on glass houses because they can already see because they're made out of glass. And he's like, what? She goes, what? What is it? What's the saying? I mean, it's like, I don't know. She's like, glass houses. That is not it either.

[Ben]

Don't. Yeah, I mean, you shouldn't. You shouldn't throw stones at any house. Mia's like, as someone who's had some rocks thrown in her face recently, I really object to this metaphor.

[Ronnie]

I mean, it's like, don't be coming for people when your is stinky. Jacqueline goes, unless your home is together and perfect. No, that's mixing it too.

[Ben]

Unless your home is perfect and also made of glass, don't throw in it with salt. It's like, no. What?

[Ronnie]

Huh?

[Ben]

So.

[Ronnie]

So then Karen is like, oh, well, don't take a page out of my book. Don't, don't. But if you ever do have to defend yourself, Fight fire with fire. God. And so Stacy's like, oh, I'm gonna carry the cape for the day in the grand Dame school of housewiving. So then Stacy goes over to join the other room. So she's like, so why does everyone have a hard on for my friend Karen who's never done anything but be Wonderful. And Mia's like, oh, you better be careful with what you're defending. Driving with a suspended registration, illegal throwing glasses in poop houses, driving while impaired by alcohol, being cookies that you can't cut with a knife. Life. That's what you're defending. Is that what you stand for? She goes, oh, I didn't know anything about this.

[Ben]

Which is a lie. You literally just talked about how Karen has these. Has. You've been talking about all season. Karen has these charges. But it's the moment that Mia says, is this what you stand for? And Stacy has to realize that, like, you know, as a public person in the QVC Nation, that she may be linked with such a thing. You can see this instantly rattles her that, like, now it's like, it's not that Karen has a dui. It's that Stacy is a DUI apologist. So Stacy's like, I mean, it's charge after charge after charge. I mean, we're not talking about injuring yourself, being on the road and perhaps hurting other or killing other people. Is this drinking issue really an issue? I don't know.

[Ronnie]

So you're bringing it up to say you're concerned about her, because that's the difference. I don't want to tear Karen down. And Jacqueline's like, oh, yeah, yeah, we're very concerned. I've said that multiple times. And Mia's like, I think we need to take her to rehab immediately.

[Ben]

Rehab.

[Ronnie]

I think she needs help with the mania. The mania and the rehab. Gordon is bipolar, and Karen is by drunker. She's extremely drunk. Karen's so by drunk that she would have sex with two different alcohols at one time. It's bad. It is bad.

[Ben]

Oh, my God. Well, I don't know how I feel about this, except that I'm absolutely appalled by something. I don't know what specifically, but I'm appalled. So she goes out the room and she goes, karen, can I please talk to you? And. And so then. So then.

[Ronnie]

What is it? She goes, I. I so disturbed by the conversation that I just had with Mia and Jacqueline.

[Ben]

I defended you. And they brought up screenshots, case after case about you. She goes, what the. The public. This. That's public information. This is the allegation I can't talk about. And I'm sorry. Kieran was one who said, what the. And so Stacy's like, they were telling me. They were saying that I need to be concerned about who I defend. And let me be clear. Oh, thank you so much for using my tagline. You're welcome. It's a great, great tag line. Let me be clear. I will always defend you because I know who you are, but they're basically telling me to not stand up for you. Isn't that terrible? Karen?

[Ronnie]

Well, first of all, let me say. Let me put you at ease. I've got a mime here to tell you this part. Mime. Come in here down to this part. I will always defend you because I know who you are. Oh, no, I'm sorry. That was your line, those allegations. Okay, I'm not angry that they did that because this is public information, and the court will have its day. But, Karen, it's deeper than that. Oh, is it? Jacqueline and Mia are saying that we need to take you to rehab and that you admitted that you wanted to go to rehab for alcoholism. Should I be worried about you? She goes. Oh, God, Karen, stop driving this dining room table. You're driving it into a wall. All right, someone else take over the dining room table.

[Ben]

Karen, I learned it by watching you. You. I learned it by watching you.

[Ronnie]

So that's absolutely ridiculous. Mayhem. What a hilarious episode.

[Ben]

So, yes, brunch. I mean, this show is so good. It is so beyond back. So happy for it. I don't know if you've ever seen a show turn it around so quickly. Good job. Great, great, great times. That's it for today. And we'll be back all week week. And we will be a safe haven for. For the world to escape into. So we've got New York, we got Salt Lake City. We've got Orange County. There's just so much. So we will catch you on the next episode. Bye, everyone.

[Ronnie]

Bye.

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