#2610 Crappy Hour 11/04/24: Bye I’m Teddi Divorce, Brynn Attempts and Apology, Lisa Barlow Steps in Grandparent Poo

Summary

Watch What Crappens Podcast - Episode #2610 Summary

Release Date: November 5, 2024

Hosts: Ben Mandelker & Ronnie Karam
Podcast Title: Watch What Crappens
Description: A daily podcast that revels in all things Bravo (and beyond!). Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam praise, ridicule, and eviscerate the Real Housewives, Below Deck, and whatever other crap Bravo throws at them. They mock because they love, offering bonus episodes, video recaps, and exclusive access to their Discord server for supporters.

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1. Teddy's Divorce Announcement

Timestamp: [05:43] – [12:10]

Ben and Ronnie delve into the unexpected announcement of Teddy's divorce from "Real Housewives of New York." The timing of the divorce announcement raises questions, coinciding with Twapcon—a convention that sparked curiosity among the hosts about whether the divorce was a publicity stunt or a genuine declaration amidst other ongoing events.

Key Points:

• Public Reaction: The announcement was met with indifference from fans, with little to no outpouring of support or interest.
• Timing with Twapcon: The simultaneous occurrence of Teddy's divorce and Twapcon led Ben to speculate whether the move was strategic to overshadow the convention or vice versa.
• Host Commentary:
  • Ben: "I think the stuff that we're going to talk about tonight may be the biggest thing that happens this week in America. So buckle up. This is big." ([05:45])
  • Ronnie: "Teddy, this is a big announcement, but honestly, who even cares yet?" ([05:59])

Notable Quote:

Ben (05:56): "I can't. Literally anything that's happening right now."

The hosts humorously imagine how Ben might theatrically announce his own divorce on the show, poking fun at the often overdramatic nature of reality TV divorces.

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2. Brynn's Apology and Interaction with UBA

Timestamp: [12:10] – [43:59]

The discussion shifts to Brynn from "Real Housewives," who recently issued a lengthy apology following controversial interactions with UBA (Uber?), where she was accused of perpetuating the "angry black woman" stereotype. Ben and Ronnie dissect Brynn's apology, questioning its sincerity and effectiveness.

Key Points:

• Controversial Comments: Brynn's comments were perceived as reinforcing negative stereotypes, leading to backlash from fans and fellow cast members.
• Apology Breakdown: The hosts analyze Brynn's apology, highlighting phrases like "making public statements not something I wanted to do" and "overstepped that night," suggesting a defensive rather than contrite tone.
• UBA's Response: UBA counters Brynn's narrative by recalling their private conversations, indicating Brynn's actions conflicted with their discussions about her behavior on camera.
• Hosts’ Critique:
  • Ronnie: "She's a terrible fucking human. And you're a terrible fucking sister." ([27:08])
  • Ben: "I think Brynn, you know, it's just one of those. Brynn is just having. She's getting a bill. She's a villain this season." ([42:39])

Notable Quotes:

Ben (12:48): "I'm telling you this right now. Kyle wrote it. It's also like, also, I would like to say that if anyone is interested in Morgan Wade's new album, I hear it's the best thing of all time."

Ronnie (43:59): "Feel good."

The hosts express frustration with Brynn's inability to handle criticism gracefully, emphasizing the importance of authentic apologies over scripted ones in the reality TV landscape.

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3. Lisa Barlow and the Grandparent Controversy

Timestamp: [43:59] – [49:39]

Ben and Ronnie tackle the ongoing saga involving Lisa Barlow and her involvement in a contentious grandparent situation on "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City." The hosts criticize Lisa's actions and Bravo's editing practices that seemingly favor her narrative over Bronwyn's.

Key Points:

• Dueling Narratives: Lisa and Bronwyn presented conflicting accounts during the after-show interviews, leading to confusion and speculations about bias in editing.
• Bravo's Role: The hosts accuse Bravo of editing out incriminating parts of interviews, making it difficult for viewers to get the full story.
• Host Opinions:
  • Ronnie: "I don't think Lisa should have even gotten involved. I think she just stepped out, let this be handled between Bronwyn and these people." ([47:09])
  • Ben: "I felt like leaning into that rage a little bit and thank you." ([31:35])

Notable Quotes:

Ben (49:03): "I don't think this gross woman's testimony help in any way."

Ronnie (47:09): "I don't think Lisa should have even gotten involved. I think she just stepped out, let this be handled between Bronwyn and these people."

The hosts emphasize the importance of fairness and transparency, criticizing both Lisa's actions and Bravo's potential manipulation of the narrative through selective editing.

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4. Vanderpump Rules Spin-Off and Other Bravo News

Timestamp: [50:26] – [59:24]

While primarily focused on "Real Housewives," Ben and Ronnie briefly touch upon other Bravo shows, notably the potential spin-off of "Vanderpump Rules." They mock the announcement's trivial nature and question its significance to their discussions.

Key Points:

• Spin-Off Announcement: The rumor about Peter Madrigal promising drama for the "Vanderpump Rules" spin-off is met with skepticism and humor.
• Hosts’ Mockery:
  • Ronnie: "He's just a doorstopper. That's it, Peter." ([52:05])
  • Ben: "Pumpkin eater. So see, Peters and Cheaters are both pumpkin eaters." ([53:05])

Notable Quotes:

Ronnie (52:40): "He did not do anything on that show. Peter. You were a doorstopper. That's it, Peter."

Ben (59:24): "He just happened to be around."

The hosts maintain their characteristic comedic tone, highlighting the often superficial and drama-centric nature of Bravo's reality TV programming.

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5. Additional Bravo Drama: Katie Maloney and Sleeping With Sirens

Timestamp: [59:24] – [60:22]

Ben and Ronnie briefly discuss Katie Maloney's relationship with Nick Martin from the band "Sleeping With Sirens." They cover allegations against Nick Martin regarding infidelity and his problematic behavior towards women.

Key Points:

• Allegations Against Nick Martin: Brandy Bay accuses Nick of cheating and disrespecting women, further tarnishing his reputation.
• Katie's Response: Katie acknowledges Nick's behavior but downplays the severity, reflecting a pattern of dismissive attitudes towards cheating.
• Hosts’ Reactions:
  • Ben: "I'm shocked. I'm horrified." ([56:26])
  • Ronnie: "He’s just a cheater basically, is what she said." ([56:37])

Notable Quotes:

Ronnie (56:37): "He took pride in bashing women, especially those he's been romantically involved with."

Ben (56:26): "I can't believe the lead singer of a band would act like this. I'm shocked."

The discussion underscores the recurring theme of misconduct among Bravo personalities, with the hosts not shying away from calling out hypocrisy and unethical behavior.

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Conclusion

In Episode #2610 of Watch What Crappens, Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Karam provide a candid and humorous take on the latest developments in the Bravo universe. From Teddy's seemingly underwhelming divorce announcement, Brynn's contentious apology, to Lisa Barlow's controversial involvement in grandparent disputes, the hosts dissect each event with their signature blend of sarcasm and sincerity. Additionally, they touch upon other Bravo-related dramas, maintaining a comprehensive overview of the network's reality TV landscape. This episode serves as both a deep dive into specific controversies and a broader commentary on the often tumultuous world of reality television.

Notable Quotes Overview:

• Ben: Expresses skepticism about the true impact of Teddy's divorce and criticizes Brynn's handling of her apology.
• Ronnie: Offers sharp critiques of Lisa Barlow's actions and the potential biases in Bravo's editing, while also mocking other Bravo personalities.

Listeners who enjoy satirical takes on reality TV and are familiar with Bravo's ongoing sagas will find this episode particularly engaging.

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

Well, hello and welcome to Watch what Crappings, the podcast for all that crap we love to talk about on Yield bravs. Guess what? Special night because it's crappy hour night. Hi, everybody. I'm Ronnie. That's Ben. Hi, Ben.

[Ben]

Hi, Ronnie. How are you?

[Ronnie]

What you doing, baby?

[Ben]

I'm just hanging out with you, talking, ready to talk, gossip, all that. All that fun stuff.

[Ronnie]

Well, a lot of fun stuff, everybody. Thanks for joining us tonight. We're both on YouTube and on Instagram. Looks like without any trouble. Except for the. Of course. Oh, hey, we're only two minutes late, actually. It was a cluster over here signing into Google Authenticator. Okay, that's what was happening. I was cursing. I was saying the C word.

[Ben]

Ronnie was not being authentic. That was the problem. We're like, ronnie, how are you doing right now? You're like, I'm fine. I'm like, don't think that's authentic, girl.

[Ronnie]

If anyone is being authentic, it's me. I sat here calling Instagram every slur in the book for the past 10 minutes, and guess what? It didn't work. Turns out Ben had the code the whole time. You know what? Isn't that just the secret to my whole fucking life? Ben had the code.

[Ben]

I don't have the code. The code is on a communal account. We both have access to authenticator. I just.

[Ronnie]

Ben has access to all my bitcoin. So if anybody needs to borrow any money, that's where to go. Not that there's much of that left. All right, well, I'm spiraling.

[Ben]

You stole my. I'm going to steal your bitcoin without telling you. And then we're going to discuss it two years later. Well, I'll find you the rest of.

[Ronnie]

I can find your ass on the.

[Ben]

Blockchain, mofo, and you can be like, you sold my bitcoin. This is a violation.

[Ronnie]

So seeing people in chat. Hi, everybody. Some said, I got my semi glutide today. Good for you. Love your eyebrows. Love you. Hi, I'm divorced. Oh, that's Teddy. Hey, let's go into the news. We've got a surprisingly busy day. Last week, somebody said, oh, my God, are they going to do an emergency crappy hour for everything that's happening? And I had to actually ask myself what? I couldn't think of anything. I don't know.

[Ben]

What is that? How often we are.

[Ronnie]

When we're not doing this, we're like.

[Ben]

Well, it is now.

[Ronnie]

Stuff is happening. Now is the stuff.

[Ben]

Stuff is happening. This. I'm gonna say this right now, guys. I think the stuff that we're going to talk about tonight may be the biggest thing that happens this week in America. So buckle up. This is big.

[Ronnie]

Wait, hold on.

[Ben]

I can't. Literally anything that's happening right now.

[Ronnie]

Don't. Don't oversell it. I know. The country is, like, voting for a new president. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, guess what? This is bigger. This is huger.

[Ben]

This is bigger. You want to talk about a regime? Regime change, something. There is change afoot, and it is happening. And the Mellon camp household, probably one.

[Ronnie]

Of the only people who still carries change. I am Teddy. I Am Teddy, announced that she is getting a divorce. And her. I felt bad for her because everybody. It's like, you know, she announces it, and everybody's reaction is like, who cares, Teddy? No one cares. Didn't this already happen? I didn't see one post that was like, oh, poor Teddy. What happened? Nobody even said, did he cheat? I didn't even read rumors of that. Now on Dumois, the lovely do posted something along the lines of, oh, hold on. I'm all over the place.

[Ben]

It's gone now. It's been redacted.

[Ronnie]

It has been redacted. What do you mean?

[Ben]

Well, well, meaning that whatever the rumor was that was posted on Reddit is no longer there. It's a hot, hot rumor, apparently, because.

[Ronnie]

Oh, it just said. Yeah, it just said both of the rumors about the housewife that is happened. That the rumors that are happening right now is that they are both. And then it gave a jack lantern face. So I. I don't know. Spooky is what I thought. But then other people were speculating that meant cheater, cheater, pants on fire. Wait, what's that saying? I sound like Jacqueline on Jacqueline.

[Ben]

Cheaters don't throw glasses in charcoal houses.

[Ronnie]

Cheater, cheater by cheating eater. No, wait.

[Ben]

Liar, liar, pants on fire. Or also cheater, cheater Pumpkin eater.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, it has pumpkin in it.

[Ben]

Why is the pumpkin eater a bad thing? It's like cheater, cheater, winter squash eater. It's like, okay, sure, you cheat and you enjoy a gourd.

[Ronnie]

I don't know. That's disgusting. But that's the only thing I could think of. But yeah, apparently, according to that, which is now redacted, they were both cheating. If that's how to interpret it. But also, can I just say who is scrubbing the Housewives Internet? Stop that. This is not the Clinton foundation or the what's a Republican one. Let's make it all fair so everybody gets slammed. I don't care. Who cares? That's the first thing I thought. It's not the Jeffrey Epstein files where we get to just redact everything. Okay? This is Housewives Internet do. If you post something, keep that up. Don't be taking off. Don't be using Lisa Barlo's team to take off the Instagram or whatever. Or Reddit. You know who else did that this week? Lisa. Lisa Barlo, which we'll get to in a second. But remind me, I said that so. Or Bronwyn. I don't know. Bronwyn's richer, so maybe Bronwyn did it. We'll get to that in a minute. But right now, Teddy getting divorced. Her statement was something along the lines of, hi, I'm Teddy.

[Ben]

I'm Teddy divorcing. It was posted on Saturday, which I thought the timing was interesting because apparently it was Twapcon on Friday. Like the two peas in a pot. Two teas in a pot did like a big thing Friday night. And I don't know if that was like an all weekend thing or just a Friday night thing. But like, I thought the timing of it like with Twapcon was like, I thought that was a curious two T's and paw. It should really be Tina. Tina. Tina P. It really should be Tina P. Tina Pecon. But yeah, I was like, I, I don't know. Is that to bury it because there's so much stuff going on? Is it like. I don't know, I feel like it's weird to release an extremely publicity news at the same time as like also hosting a convention. I don't know.

[Ronnie]

Well, don't you think that that means she wants more publicity for it?

[Ben]

That's why I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. Was a publicity ploy or was it a way to actually kind of like bury it? Because all sorts of stuff was going to come out from Twat Con instead. I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I don't think it did. No offense to twatcon. Sure, you guys did great. Haven't heard a thing about it, but maybe that's because I'm not listening to. I mean, I don't know. Did you hear anything about. I knew what was happening because Jeff.

[Ben]

I saw pictures. Yeah. Jeff Lewis was talking about how he was going to go, and I saw a whole bunch of pictures. Looked like a lot of people were there and they had fun and everything. But, like, the only thing I heard that came out of this weekend regarding any of this was really about Teddy. So I just. To me, I'm just. I'm interested. I'm curious about the timing. Like, why she chose it the same weekend as tw. I just. I feel like. Well, here's. If I. If I were to announce something big, I don't think I would like about me and Dom, I don't think I would announce the same weekend as the Crappies. I don't think I. I don't know. It's. It's a strange thing for me.

[Ronnie]

I would announce it for you on the. I'd be like, ben is getting divorced. Everybody come to Crappies and watch them cry.

[Ben]

That'd be sitting up there singing a torch song drunkenly on the piano. My tuxedo be like, you know what? Everyone go yourselves. I'll be like, bronwyn two years ago.

[Ronnie]

Actually, you'd probably be like, I'm fine, everybody. And I'd be like, ben, I want to dedicate this song to you. Alone Again in blue. Like, I'm all alone again. What's new? I just do everything I could to make you sob throughout the. I'm just. I would.

[Ben]

Obviously. Yeah, no, I think that would actually. I'd be like the silver lining if something like that would happen. It would be kind of funny watching him be like, ben, I'm gonna make you sob. And I'll just be sobbing in front of the audience. And everyone's like, what's happening? Why did I pay money to see this?

[Ronnie]

Luckily, Tiny Dancer.

[Ben]

Too soon. Too soon.

[Ronnie]

Teddy's statement is so. Teddy. Oh, what were you gonna say? Of all the songs. What?

[Ben]

Of all the songs, why would you serenade me with Tiny Dancer? With my theoretical divorce from Dom, that's why.

[Ronnie]

Okay, I wouldn't do that. I would sing this one instead.

[Ben]

Now everything's good, everyone. Too bad there no songs about podcasters.

[Ronnie]

Pod 10, looks three, and I'm still on unemployment pot for my own enjoyment. That ain't a kid. That ain't it. Kid. Okay, everybody. Now this is. The point is Teddy's statement. I want to make it. My public statement is making a public statement is not something I wanted to do. You know me. Private Teddy. But in an effort to protect my family from undue speculation and rumors, which, by the way, no one is doing. Teddy, ain't nobody speculating, okay? I felt being open, honest. How Kyle coded is that you put open and honest in your fucking announcement.

[Ben]

I'm telling you this right now. Kyle wrote it. It's also like. Also, I would like to say that if anyone is interested in Morgan Wade's new album, I hear it's the best thing of all time. It's like, Kyle, get out of Teddy's statement.

[Ronnie]

But do you think Teddy is really dating Kyle? And that's why Kyle is pretending to date Morgan Wade because.

[Ben]

Because Teddy is hitting Kyle, so Kyle's gonna pretend to take Morgan Wade instead. So it's like some sort of, like, lesbian farce happening?

[Ronnie]

Yes, because Kyle knows that she'll get more attention from Morgan Wade. Like, no. And nobody gonna care if she becomes a lesbian for Teddy. But they will if she becomes a lesbian for some country singer that. Who's 20, so. Or whatever. So that's exciting. So it makes it more. It makes her affair with Teddy more exciting. But wouldn't that be sad if Teddy was having an affair and someone's like, I'll admit to having an affair, but it has to be with someone else. So let's pretend this.

[Ben]

I like that. You, like, you drummed up, like, a theoretical situation, and then you critiqued her for being in that theoretical prison.

[Ronnie]

You're like.

[Ben]

You're like. Imagine like, maybe. I know. Maybe Teddy is actually secretly having an affair with a bulldozer. God. Who has an affair with a bulldozer? Gosh.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so. But what if. And here's why I didn't think that until right now. Mostly because I'm having to talk a lot. So I'm spouting more bullshit than I would if I was not talking. But I felt being open, honest. You put open and honest in your. That's a code for Kyle. That's a Kyle vagina code. That's Kyle. Kyle. That's. I love Kyle's vagina code. I'm just calling it now, everybody. Okay, So I think.

[Ben]

I think actually a more plausible theory based off of nothing, but if we want to do conspiracy theories because they're fun, why not? I think what's more plausible is that Kyle Tells teddy, teddy, you should get a divorce because I'm doing it right now. It's really fun, and you should do what I do. And today's like, well, I don't want to do that. Come on, Teddy. Teddy, if you want to still be in this circle, in this town, if you're not getting a divorce right now, you're no one. And so today's like, okay, fine, I'll get a divorce. And Kyle's like, okay, now for your divorce statement, you have to say that you're being open and honest. But I don't really feel like being like Teddy.

[Ronnie]

In this town, that's what we say. Teddy, did you.

[Ben]

Do you not remember the blood pact we made? Well, I didn't make it with you. You made me, like, make a blood pact with your hat. That's right. My hat is me. And that counts. But I don't want to say opening us. Teddy, do you ever want to come to Kathy's Christmas party? I do. Say it.

[Ronnie]

Hey, Teddy, you got blood on my hat. Sorry, Kyle. Okay, so here's the thing. If she. If she did make. Okay, maybe she's copying Kyle because Kyle was getting divorced. So she's gonna copy it down to the letter, right? She's gonna announce a divorce, but she's never gonna actually leave. She's gonna stay because she's been seen with her wedding ring all weekend or something. And so maybe she's gonna copy that part. Maybe she's gonna become like bicurious or speculation that Teddy is now by. I'm just calling all this right now because I can't wait to see this shit happen because Teddy is such a goddamn kiss ass copycat. And actually, no, we went on a show and she was very nice and very. She was good about making fun of herself, but still, I mean, it's like, gotta be real here. So she's such a kiss ass copycat that, you know, that she's just gonna copy Kyle all the way to the bank. So she's gonna be like, now my kids are leaving me work. Wait a minute. Aren't your kids like six? Oh, I'm sorry. I just want to make this to the letter.

[Ben]

They just want to work in real estate, but they're not old enough to even, you know, they're not even old enough to ride certain roller coasters. Yeah, but they can still sell a house looking after Dubrow's son.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so then she says, the Heather Dubrow son.

[Ben]

So do you think that Heather Debrow. Do you think that, like, Nikki. Nikki debrow. Do you think that like he and like Alexia, they. Do you think they have like a West side Story thing going on? Like they meet up on like on Cannon Drive and it's like, you know, and they have like knives out over like real estate. Like children of real estate, people fighting.

[Ronnie]

It's too far of a drive between OC and Encino or wherever the ever buy.

[Ben]

I think he's based in, in Los Angeles, don't forget. But he is still far away. He's down by Loyola Marymount and that's just like, that's like Culver City. No, no one's going.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, but why would they be west side Story? Because they're both white bread. I mean, I guess so is most of west side Story to be.

[Ben]

They're probably trying to sell real estate on the west side of Los Angeles. But west side Story in LA is just like two people going to erawan.

[Ronnie]

The rivalry is. Are you beyond the Getty. So, okay, so the rest of her statement is, by the way, we're monsters. Okay, so the rest of her statement is. I felt being open, honest and vulnerable was the best path forward. She added, but Teddy, the way to give us a statement that says nothing. Being open about what? You're filing from divorce. What happened? Who cheated? You know, they met. You met a go go boy, you fell in love and now you're breaking apart. Okay, now this guy, Tedward, whatever his name is, Edward, has released his own I'm a victim. Which by the way, men. Seriously. So he, he's at the gym. Of course he posts a gym selfie because that's how men are. It's like, I'm depressed. Yoga, but I'm still at the gym, babe. Ding. So he looks like. And I don't know if that's. I don't know if that's a gym thing. I don't know if he's ill. I don't know, he looks ill. But it's. And I don't mean that like, haha, he looks ill. I mean, you look ill. I don't love you or hate you. I'm just saying get that checked. I'm not saying like, let's hug or oh, or that's. That's great, you're ill. I'm not saying any of that. I'm just saying get checked.

[Ben]

It's more like when you are going to do the selfie after, you know, your wife announces that you're getting divorced, you kind of want to look as good as possible. I think you either want to look as good as possible or as sad as possible, but you don't want to look as content and bedraggled. You want. You want to, like. You want to be like, hey, I'm on the market, or, look at how sad I am. Someone saved me. But not like, oh, yeah, I just did hot yoga, and I'm a little pooped at the moment, and I think I might, like, get some green juice.

[Ronnie]

Right? Okay. Look at him. This is him. Do you see him?

[Ben]

Yeah. Oh, I see him. Yeah.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, he looks not good. And his hair is all, like, big and not good and thinning. I mean, he just doesn't look good. And I guess he's doing that. Like, I look. I look terrible because I'm going through something. But I can't feel bad for you when you're taking a gym selfie, no matter how good the selfie may or may not.

[Ben]

And he is, in fact, in hot yoga. The sign behind him says, hot yoga in reverse.

[Ronnie]

Take it or take a. Take a tanning. Take a tanning bed selfie.

[Ben]

Yeah. Yeah. So he's like. He put a caption in very serious font. You know how, like, some fonts on Instagram is silly, but, like, some is serious? This is, like, the most serious font you can choose. And it's like, you're not always going to be motivated or inspired. That's where rituals and habits come in. Having good habits is what will get you through your dark days. It's when you're under pressure that your true character is revealed. Oh, I have to tell you, nothing reveals true character like going to hot yoga. I'm like, thank God. What in a hero, you guys, when.

[Ronnie]

You go to hot yoga and you're sad, you win. You win it.

[Ben]

Like, you really find out about yourself. You find out about duress, you know?

[Ronnie]

Okay, does it mean that we're making fun of people who just announced divorce? Yes, but you know why? Because they announced their divorce. No one cares. Get divorced on your own time. You know what I mean? We'll have to hear about it for the next four years anyway. Leave us alone with it. Okay, so, by the way, good luck to you too, is what I meant to say.

[Ben]

So thank you for employing the serious font appropriately. I feel like that mono spacing really spoke to the void in your heart.

[Ronnie]

Now, I don't know why I'm being so evil right now, but it feels fun. Okay, Ben, what do you want to talk about next?

[Ben]

You know what I have to say? I was looking at the headlines, and I Know, we should. I know what we should talk about next, but honestly, the thing that I would like to talk about next, Riley, is the thing that made me most angry.

[Ronnie]

Okay.

[Ben]

Which we love that the headline that you posted on our little doc, the article that I read that made me most angry was about Lexi Manzo talking about Aunt Caroline, Caroline Manzo, and the staggering betrayal quote, staggering betrayal after a stepfather sentencing. And basically, Lexi talks about. And I know everyone wants to get to Lisa Barlow, but this one really pissed me off. Lexi talks about how, like, Caroline was like, more than an aunt to her. She would cradle her to sleep. And that, like, the. The sense of betrayal she felt when Caroline sided with Tommy Manzo and how, like, this guy was, like, a nightmare to live with, was cruel and abusive to them and that Caroline sided with him. You know, like, we always thought that was shitty of Caroline to do. I think hearing it directly from Lexi reminds us of truly how shitty it is. And Caroline's going through her own thing right now where it's like, oh, my God, like. Like Carol. Like, Caroline did not have to go through what she went through with. With Brandy. But let's also not forget Caroline like you are. I. I shouldn't really even bring up two. Two cases because it sounds like I'm trying to excuse one with the other. I'm not. What I'm just trying to say is Caroline sucks. That was so. Like, the fact that she took an actual, like. Like. Like this. A criminal side. A guy who hired a goon to beat up someone, her sister's new boyfriend or. Or husband, whatever. It was, like, that is so up that Caroline would take that person's side and write a letter on their behalf. And it just made me mad. It made me mad all over again at Caroline. And then she has the balls to release a cookbook this fall while. While this all happened. No, I'm.

[Ronnie]

I, I. I'm.

[Ben]

I'm over Carolyn Manzo right now.

[Ronnie]

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[Ronnie]

So the. It's kind of the old thing we have on Bravo, which is the no perfect victim thing, right? People can be victims of one thing and still absolute dick faces in the rest of their life. So whatever happened with Brandi, Caroline can still be a victim in that situation, but still suck on every other level. And she does. And she sucked for a very long time. The stuff she stands for, she sucks. She just, she. She sucks, her family sucks and she sucks. And of course she's standing up for an abusive cheater. You know, it excuses a lot of her own choices. Probably not saying that her husband is abusive, but she's kind of hinted that her husband cheats. And as long as she doesn't know, it's, you know, and every marriage is kind of its own thing, but. And all that we've heard over the years, not taking sides is kind of an easy thing to do sometimes on Jersey because you can really go down a path where it just gets too confusing to even take a slide because everybody's done so much and there's so much such a complex web there of history. But you suck. I mean, you fucking suck, man. Fuck you.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

And to even write a character defense letter and for this woman's abuser and the woman who did this to your niece's mother, You're a terrible fucking human. And you're a terrible fucking sister. Congratulations on whatever karma your deserve you're getting right now. And by the way, I'm not referring to the Brandy thing either, but it did make it more fun when Brandy, after kind of fizzling out and failing in her lawsuit against Bravo, which we discussed last week, and finally giving up and snapping her feet that she wasn't going to get to get rich after all after her lawyers promised her she would get rich. So after watching that kind of fun karma play out with Brandy, Brandy texted this week. It says, happy Sunday, Fun day. It's almost been two years now since a lying, short, red haired, closeted, old lesbian ruined my life.

[Ben]

Lean into the rainbow.

[Ronnie]

Rainbow, Rainbow. It's a beautiful space. When you come out, your family will be able to finally speak their own obvious truths, which from anyone else, I would say, what a horrific, awful text. But from Brandy, I'm like, yes, okay, I loved it. And it's just nice to hear a nice resounding you to Caroline Manzo, because no one else in the public eye is saying it.

[Ben]

You know, people in, in the chat are also reminding us that Dolores wrote a letter on behalf of Tommy's character, which is also, honestly, extreme. Love, Dolores, but that's really shitty. The thing that I think makes Caroline worse is that Caroline is actually like a sister to this person. A little sister, a literal sister to Dina, like Dolores.

[Ronnie]

On the other hand, it goes back to what I just said about excusing bad behavior in your own lineup there. I mean, Frank was pretty abusive and treated women like. So of course Dolores is going to come stand up for the, you know, the abuser piece of man over the woman in the situation. But go ahead.

[Ben]

I'm sorry, no, I'm gonna say I don't. I don't remember what Dolores and Dina's relationship is. People in the chat can remind us, like, it's hard to remember who's really close, who's like a sister, who's a godmother, who's a God sister, all that stu. And it's. It's shitty. It's really shitty. And I have a hard time reconciling it because I love Dolores so much. But Caroline, I just think that, like Carolyn, you're actually Dina's sister and there's just never. There was just never an appropriate time to have backed that letter. And really, if anything, she should have just stayed out of it because she's really good about staying out of other things. But like, here, she just. She shouldn't have done it. It's so wrong.

[Ronnie]

What is it? What does the letter do any. Why, why would that help in court? Hey, your honor, we've got a letter from the do. Daughter of a notorious rat currently married to a chronic cheater who possibly is whose Brother in law or whatever just paid somebody via, you know, money for their brownstone, whatever wedding that they were going to have at that catering location. That's how the guy got paid to beat the shit out of Dina and the brother. I mean, it's just such a piece of puzzle all the way around. How does that help, you know? Yeah, how does this gross woman's testimony help in any way? And it's hilarious that she thinks that it would because she's made a couple of Meatballs on YouTube. Get the out of here, Caroline.

[Ben]

Yeah, so I just felt like leaning into that rage a little bit and thank you.

[Ronnie]

Feel good.

[Ben]

Yeah. Thanks for giving me the forum. Thank you so much.

[Ronnie]

Everybody go vote. Okay, so that was fun. Okay, so I guess the. Well, you know what? Before we get to the big one, let's go to this Brynn stuff that was happening. So for the five of you watching Real Housewives of New York this season, good for us. Don't you feel like you deserve a sticker?

[Ben]

I think so. It's. It's like not. I voted. It's like I watched. Like, I did my. Like, I took time out of my day. There are other things I could have been doing. I could have been having a lot more fun than the time I spent doing this, but I did it. I watched.

[Ronnie]

Listen, I believe in the future of this country. And by this country, I mean Bravo. I believe in the future of this country so strongly that I sat through another hour of this shit show, Real Houses New York, even though they're making zero effort to course correct. And you know what's so weird about it is that I still like the show. Isn't it weird? Like, it's. It's.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't think it's.

[Ronnie]

This week was the week, I think, when I was like, oh, okay, they're not going to fix this at all. This is the week I finally broke and was like, this show. But I still. I'm like, oh, I wonder what's going to happen this week. Like, I'm. I'm actually kind of looking forward to watching it tomorrow night.

[Ben]

You know, Angela in the. In the chat says it's worse in the first season. I actually think it's a little bit better than the first season. Like, the first season I found to be actually almost unwatchable this season. I'm bored, but I am finding it more watchable. But I do think the show is, like, really trailing behind everything else that's on Bravo right now. And it's just. It's A. It's. It can be really. It's a hard watch sometimes just a little dull. Like, we just. I mean, let's not forget that we spent a good amount of time recently watching them, like, cook fish and lamb on a grill. And a pavlova. There was a lot of pavlova.

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

The show could be a lot better. But that being said. That being. Yeah, but, like, this was a lot. But given that the show is so dull right now, we are all pretty fired up about Brynn, and I think that counts for something, you know, that means that we are in some way invested.

[Ronnie]

Yes. And you were saying, trailing behind the other stuff on Bravo. It really is. I mean, it's. And I don't think any new show or newer show is expected to be as big as all of the other shows. I think that would be unfair. But it isn't new. It's Real Housewives of New York, so it does still have that, and it's still behind, I think, everything. And congrats to Potomac for being on top of all of them. I mean, there are four housewives on right now, and it's. Potomac is first, Orange county is second, Salt Lake City is third, and then Potomac is fourth. Yeah, I'm not. Potomac is fourth. Potomac is first and last. It is omnipresent.

[Ben]

Wait, before we go any further, I want to say something. I want to say New York is last. New York is last. Okay. Meg in the chat says, ben, your judgment's clouded because you love OG Roni. P.S. i'm not watching Roni at all. I. I know. I. I, like, am aware that, like, I love Old School Roni, and I think that last season, I did have a hard time adjusting, but, like, I sincerely. I actually feel like I came into the season with a really positive mindset. Like, I actually was, like, enjoying the first episodes, and I. I actually feel like the audience was anger than I was. I was actually a little shocked. I feel like at this point, I am judging them on their own. And, like, I can say I feel like with as little bias as possible, given that bias will always sneak in. This season is still pretty boring. And, like, you know, how I can really tell is because last season, you know, the. You know, the Instagram account or the Twitter account, Queens of Bravo, they're very enthusiastic. And when the new. When the new cast came out, they were really one of the big accounts out there that was, like, heralding the new Roni, and they were like, this is amazing. You know, Bravo made the right decision. They Were very, very excited. And I just saw a tweet from them like a few days ago that was like, stick a fork in it, basically. I don't remember what they said, but I was like, damn, if Queens of Bravo is down on this show right now, then this show is really like, it's losing its way, you know? And that's no shade to Queens of Bravo. I'm just saying that they were really into it and even they're sort of not into it anymore.

[Ronnie]

So Brynn had to apologize. So basically the last episode, we found out that Bryn was kind of purposely poking at UBA by telling her the night before, UBA was really pissed off at her on camera that she was coming off as an angry black woman and this and that. And so the audience went nuts because you can't say that. And Brynn was like, yeah, I can, because I'm a black woman. And then, you know, all sorts of politics go into that, which as two white guys, I mean, really, how qualified are we? My qualifications mostly come from Bravo, from watching Bravo and what I've learned from watching Bravo about colorism and things you can' and a lot from Potomac, really, while we're talking about Potomac. But still, that does not make me an expert. And I'm not enough of an idiot to wade totally into that. But that's basically the conversation going on right now. And as we all know, Brynn has extremely thin skin. Brynn cannot take it to save her fucking life. She never has been. She's fought with bloggers, she's blocked all sorts of people online for having any kind of negative opinion or making fun of her flirtiness or suggesting that she might be asham sugar baby or anything like that. She just can't ignore it and let it go. She has to go nuts every time. Well, this is. Or get very affected every time. You know, very sensitive. So this is her apology. And God damn, this is long. It is extremely long. But I don't know that we have to read it word for word.

[Ben]

Sorry.

[Ronnie]

I stand shocked this week as off camera interactions in the Hamptons were conveyed without context. To see my intentions twisted and my words misrepresented flat out scares me. You know what else doesn't scare me? Getting twisted when it's a good kind of twist in.

[Ben]

I am deeply sorry that I'm so wet if I overstepped that night in the Hamptons. I am beyond sorry as this was never my intention.

[Ronnie]

Okay, so let's see. She's basically saying this episode has made made it appear as though I brought up this stereotype on my own out of nowhere, which is not the case. The truth is, angry black woman was brought up by UBA last year in Anguilla. In a highly charged fourth wall moment in Anguilla after the incident with Aaron's sunglasses, UBA spoke directly into the camera. Don't you dare edit me to look like an angry black woman. Yes, Brynn, we remember that. And it was a big discussion at the reunion. And she may have talked to you in private about looking like an angry black woman, but when you're parading that in her face and think you're looking like an angry black woman, how do you think. Do you think that's helping or hurting? Like, let's say, let's. Let's. We understand what's happening, Bryn. You're still an. Like, I love that she's pretending that none of us remember what happened last season well. Or any of the plot. As if that's not going to make it worse. We do remember, and so should you. That's why it makes it worse that you're acting like that.

[Ben]

Well, also, in some ways, when Uber, if UBA says the camera, don't you dare edit me to look like an angry black woman, then she's like, hey, you know, with the way you're acting right now, they're going to edit you like an angry black woman. That's kind of like blaming Uber. You should actually be like, instead of the people who would edit her like an angry black woman. Like, Uber is just being herself. She's just being emotional and reacting. And so it's really not up to Brynn. I feel like, to. To weigh in on that, like, because it's almost like saying, like, no, act better for the problematic people who would edit you and make you look like a certain stereotype.

[Ronnie]

So she's saying they discussed after Anguilla, they discussed this harmful stereotype at length. As a biracial woman, I will never know what it's like to fully walk in Uber's shoes. I've experienced racism from childhood to corporate America, and it broke my heart to see my friend devastated by the backlash she received. I always offered love and support, and when she asked me for advice, I gave it. For the record, it was always mutual. UBA and I, Uber was an incredible friend to me and always supported me through difficult experiences. So she's just saying, you don't want to be called an angry black woman. Don't act like an angry black woman. And I think your point is correct. Is the correct one, which is don't call me an angry black woman just because I get pissed off.

[Ben]

Yeah.

[Ronnie]

As a black woman.

[Ben]

Yeah. Like, yes.

[Ronnie]

Off. So during that off camera night in the Hamptons, we both spoke candidly about our fears and triggers as we always had. And then you held it against her. Do you see. Do you see what we're. Do you see what's happening, Brand? Do you see? That's like she's writing it all, but she's kind of missing the point. You know what I mean? We hugged, we said we loved each other. We promised to do everything in our power to help one another. I told UBA that everything she wants for herself, I want that for her, too. And she wished the same for me, which is why I berated her for looking like an angry black woman and then mocked her accent over and over.

[Ben]

Yeah, I think also, by the way, I think UBA is like me. She's a slow processor. You know, I'm always so impressed with people who, like, respond so quickly to a situation, because I'm always. My response is always like, oh, okay. And then like, 12 hours later, wait a second. And I think UBA's like me, where she's like, oh, wait a second. I don't like what Bryn just said to me last night, you know, And I think that's okay. We're allowed to be process at different rates, you know?

[Ronnie]

Well, she might not have liked it the night before either. She might not have liked it the night before either. But it's just. Brynn just keeps poking her on camera, and it's like, off. And stop acting like you don't know why I'm annoyed with you when you totally know what. Because that's the. That's the content. That's the thing is that Brynn is acting like she has no idea why Uba's upset when she spent that whole night in her room, you know, saying that stuff to her.

[Ben]

Vicky, by the way, in the chat, says they say Teresa G. Is a slow processor. They said it in Rails. What. What's said in Rails stays in Rails. And Teresa is still processing that commentary. Yeah, I think, like, Brynn, you know, it's just one of those. I don't know. Brynn is just having. She's getting a bill. She's a villain this season. That's what it is. And she just. She should just lean into it. I think a lot of people are also annoyed with her that Brynn loves to stir the pot. She even did a thing where she, like, mimed it, she's like, I'm staring in the pot, my soup spoon is a dick. But then like when it stirred against her, she's like, we not act like this. We don't act like Staten island. Okay? We're better than this. It's like, okay, lady, you're on Bravo.

[Ronnie]

And you're also not from New York. Is she? Isn't she. Wasn't she born Indiana? Yeah, I think so. Whatever. Okay, so it ends. I'm not sure what shifted after that touching moment, but I deeply regret and I'm so sorry if I ever stepped. UBA needed a friend to listen to the thoughts and fears which she expressed that night. She didn't need someone to repeat them back to her. I hope I had the powerful fourth wall moment. That. Okay, so she did at least get it. By the way, I take, I take that back. I'm reacting line by line. I hope the powerful fourth wall moment. Okay, stop. Stop patting yourself on the back like you're on the actor studio. We had a powerful fourth wall moment. It was groundbreaking. The wall was broken. The lands were united. Thank you for breaking that wall, Mr. Gorbachev. Break down that wall, motherfucker. I'll break it down. All right, bring it back up now. We're professionals. I hope that fourth wall moment will be shown at this year's reunion so this long standing, nearly two year old issue can finally be addressed openly. A constructive conversation is much needed to clear the air and provide context and closure for everyone involved. Thank you.

[Ben]

I hope Brynn learned her lesson, which is to never say anything off camera because anything said off camera will and will be used against you.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. So let's see next up, the big news of the week. All of this Bronwyn adoption stuff on Salt Lake City. Now this gets trickier and trickier because Lisa went on the after show. Bronwyn and Lisa were in dueling sections of the after show. You know, they're put in different partnerships to talk and they were both talking about it at the same time. And they have very different tellings of events the way it happened. Well, right after the after show came out, they aired it. Bravo edited it to take stuff out that kind of incriminates Lisa. But I guess I'm. I don't know who got it taken out. One of either Lisa or Bronwyn got this shit taken out. So all the blogs were reporting, hey, did anybody notice this stuff got cut out of that interview? And now even the Reddit posts with all of that saying didn't ever in the Twitter post, everything referencing the cuts has now also been scrubbed. These people scrub the damn Internet. How are they powerful enough to do that?

[Ben]

I don't know, but I was foolish because I saw something that was like, look at. Look at these clips from the after show, side by side. And I was like. I started to play it and I was like, you know what I have to do? I have to do something. I'm gonna come back to this. And when I came back, it was gone. And I didn't see the side by side.

[Ronnie]

I did get to see it. And basically what happens is. And obviously, allegedly, I mean, it's being scrubbed from everywhere. But I feel like you shouldn't be afraid to talk about stuff that you read, right? I don't know, but please don't sue me, because I can't afford that. But what I saw from the clips, it was. Lisa is alleging that what Bronwyn is saying about the grandparents isn't true and that Bronwyn had told the grandparents that she had miscarried or something because she. She didn't want them to know the kid. And that the grandparents are just so innocent. And they never knew. They never heard from anyone that their son had a child all these years. You know, they never heard a thing, which I don't believe for two seconds. I believe those grandparents are probably little and trying to cover themselves right now, but Lisa is basically sticking up for the enemy in this situation and making it look like Bronwyn is basically lying. And being a drama queen for the storyline is what I. I think this.

[Ben]

Is one where, like, Lisa should know better. This is your friend. Like you. If. If, like, like, she bas. Lisa's basically decided it's more important to honor the grandparents than Bronwyn. And that's. That's not great. That's really not great. And I don't think these grandparents need any, like, I don't think they need Lisa to advocate for them. I don't think Lisa should have even gotten involved. I think she just stepped out, let this be handled between Bronwyn and these people. And you know what if these people don't like their reputation being dragged through the mud? A way to fix that would be to be better people and not have a reputation needs to be dragged through the mud in the first place.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, exactly. Amen. I thought that would be longer, but I totally agree with. I mean, the segment. But I absolutely agree.

[Ben]

I don't think nothing.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I don't think there's anything to disagree. I think Lisa's pretty gross. For doing that. And also, Lisa is saying that she. That Bronwyn was asking her to hook them up. And Bronwyn's like, no, I wasn't. Like, Lisa's making it sound like, oh, yeah, I was totally helping by coming in here and making this connection happen and all this stuff. And Bronwyn's like, no, not really. So I don't know. This is all. It's pretty gross. We're not talking about a little kid. You know, Gwen's not like a child. She's mature. But it still sucks because she didn't sign up to necessarily do this and have all of her dragged on there, and that's not cool. And this is pretty low, even for Lisa and especially for somebody who's not even an enemy. Like, why would she be coming for Bron. What Bronwyn do? I mean, maybe we just haven't seen it yet in the season, but that's great.

[Ben]

Kicks Lisa off the trip next week. According to the previews. That's what it.

[Ronnie]

What.

[Ben]

That's what looks like. I mean, it is sort of sad. You know, Bronwyn comes on, and Lisa's like, I've known Bronwyn for, like, 12 years, and she's, like, the best. I was like, oh, rip your friendship. You know, classic rules. You bring your friend onto the Housewives, and it's over. The friendship is over and dead. Because either you're gonna betray the friend or the friend's gonna betray you. It's never gonna last. The friendships never last that way. And now we're actually seeing it. And on top of that, I think what's probably hard for Lisa and especially for Heather, is that Bronwyn is, like, a mega fan favorite. People are loving Bronwyn right now. I think, like, the moment she got that endorsement from Christian Siriano, people already liked her. But that was almost like the moment where people were like, what? She pays for her own clothes? She's not a grifter. She's not like Ramona stealing dresses. Everyone's like, wow, we need to pay attention to this chick.

[Ronnie]

I love that. That's an endorsement for House Housewives. Fans were also. Were also shallow. Like, an endorsement from someone is she's actually rich. Guys like, oh, my God, I love her. Stan icon, mother queen.

[Ben]

The feeling like Bronwyn has, like, certain standards that she's not going to betray. At least right now, she hasn't been totally corrupted. She's coming into the show with that. And on Salt Lake City, it feels like the cast is gonna do whatever it takes to have, like, a good show. Like, cut to Whitney. You exploited my vagina. And I don't think, like, Bronwyn is gonna necessarily do that to make a scene in Bermuda. You know, I think. I think the audience really likes that.

[Ronnie]

You know, the thing that's bothering me the most about this whole Lisa Barlow thing is that no matter what the truth is, like, even if Bronwyn did say I miscarried the baby and just to keep them out of her life, good for her for doing that because she's protecting her baby. If no one's negating the fact that. That I've heard that she got impregnated by their son and then went to their house to tell them, and they berated her and slut shamed her and then suggested that she go away and have the baby, you know, somewhere, you know, do the whole, like, ignore it, pretend it didn't happen. Don't be such a sinner. And you're. You're villainizing this young girl and, like, taking your son off of.

[Ben]

Yeah, Let me tell you something. Let me tell you.

[Ronnie]

Whether or not she lied about the miscarriage, it didn't give you the chance after that, you didn't deserve a chance to meet your grandchild, and you still don't. Really.

[Ben]

And let me tell you something. Like, let's say this is true. Let's say, okay, they never. They thought the child was never born. It's very soap opera. It was like, oh, we thought, like, there was a tragic miscarriage, whatever. And then they find out all these years later that there's a granddaughter. And you're going to tell me, your first reaction is, we're willing to meet if she'll accept us. No. You're like, oh, my God, this is a miracle. This is wonderful. What can we do? How can we do this? How can we. How can we catch up for past years, if not, like. Well, maybe let's see what the specials are at ihop.

[Ronnie]

Yeah. Yeah, They're. They're dicks. You don't deserve another chance, you fuckers. And I'm glad you're getting dragged. And I'm so sorry. And I'm so sorry your son was passed, but he's an too. He was an asshole. Okay, so rest in finding forgiveness over there, dick. Okay, so then let's see what else has happened. Oh, my God. Huge news. Teddy's getting divorced. Hold on. Anybody care yet? Me neither.

[Ben]

Hi, I'm Teddy. Hi. I'm divorced.

[Ronnie]

Okay. Just in some news, probably no one really cares about Right now, but they keep giving it to us every week just in case we're gonna suddenly start giving a huge crap. Vanderpump Rules. Peter Madrigal promises drama, drama, drama. A new spin off that he and Tom Sandoval won't watch. First of all, why are we talking to Peter Madrigal? Us, son? Why? Why? Why are you talking to the GM of a shitty dirty restaurant in West Hollywood?

[Ben]

He is the director of a very important science fiction film that screened at the Burbank Film Festival once. Yeah, basically, Peter told the sun, like, yeah, production has started on a spin off of Vanderpump Rules that's taking place at the restaurant. And. But then he's like, I don't know anything about it and I'm not going to be on it. But there's just always so much drama at the restaurant. So there'll probably be a lot of drama on the show. I was like, thanks. This is a great non story, Peter. Peter suspects that there may be drama on a show he's not involved with. Well, congratulations. I suspect there's a dish at a restaurant somewhere in New York that's delicious, but I'm not going there, so I'll never know. But it's probably gonna be good. So go there.

[Ronnie]

But here's my opinion on it. I'm gonna a PR person for God knows how much money am I to keep getting me in articles about how I'm not on a show anymore. And then at one point he goes, here's what. Here's what I suggest for the new show that you pay Peter. For what? Peter, you didn't do anything, okay? You did not do anything on that show. Peter. You were a doorstopper. That's it, Peter.

[Ben]

Pumpkin eater. So see, Peters and Cheaters are both pumpkin eaters.

[Ronnie]

Keeps coming back around, comes back to the pumpkins and he says, we're doing the same thing we've always done. Getting wasted after work, partying together. Yeah, Peter. Except guess what?

[Ben]

Filling out your pants are so much.

[Ronnie]

Tighter now that your nuts that are down to your knees, I can see them through your jeans, Peter. Okay.

[Ben]

And not in a good way. So like, not in like that Tom of Finland way. So in other news, guys, I actually, I want everyone to just to like, gather around. Now, again, this country is going through a lot. We're more divided than ever before. But one thing we can all agree on is that we always thought Ali Shapiro, Jill's Aaron's daughter and her fiance, whose name has not been committed to national memory just yet. We always thought they were gonna be a forever couple, and unfortunately, it's not happening anymore. Ali Shapiro has called up her engagement to whoever it was that wanted to get married to her. So I just want everyone to take a beat. I know everyone is like, but what about Jules, Aaron's daughter? How is she doing?

[Ronnie]

It's.

[Ben]

It's rough. It's rough. But, yeah, the wedding is off. So, you know, if you have any business you have to do on the not.com to cancel any reservations, take care of it. But then the wedding is off.

[Ronnie]

Yeah, I was gonna click on that story to get details, but my finger just could not care. Okay, so now let's go to some more pump rules. Katie Maloney's got a boyfriend, Nick Martin, and he's on a band called, like.

[Ben]

I don't know, Nick Barton, The Martinets? No, that band is, like, 37 Ways to Friday or something like that. Is that such an emo name? I just made that up. Aren't I, like, so good at naming emo bands they love? And a preposition.

[Ronnie]

It is totally the name of a band that goes with something about her. You know what I mean? It's like, yes, Beasley's Cab or something like that.

[Ben]

Oh, he was on Sleeping With. Is his band Sleeping with Sirens?

[Ronnie]

Yes, Sleeping With Sirens.

[Ben]

Something about, I like Sleeping with sirens. I like 37 Ways to Friday more. I thought that was a better band name.

[Ronnie]

Really? I liked Beasley's Cab. Actually. I'm gonna vote for myself in this election. So Nick Martin is his name, and he's under fire. He was confirmed as the mystery man that Katie was dating, but now a woman named Brandy Bay has come forward, slamming the Sleeping With Sirens guitarist treatment of women and accusing him of cheating on his now estranged wife, Jenna Martin. Nick Martin collects women but doesn't honor. She wrote in an Oct. 17 post. I really, really hope to protect future women from this treatment. I'm overtaking the high road and being silent. So here's every photo his lawyers told me I couldn't post. And let's see. What are the photos? Photos show him kissing a girl on the neck, posing with the girl. Kissing a girl at the beach with a girl. Is it the same girl? It's the same girl, right? Nick Martin collects women but doesn't honor them. And despite being a decade older than me, he is a child. I really, really hope to protect future women. Cheers to loving out loud and not being someone's secret. So I guess he was cheating with her on his wife. He was cheating on his wife with her. Wait, Brandy said that Nick not only cheated on his wife with the mistress, but he also approved of one of his bandmates infidelity. So he's just a cheater basically, is what she said.

[Ben]

I can't believe the lead singer of a band would. Would act like this. I'm shocked. I'm horrified. Whatever. The days of Weird Al Chalamet. Okay.

[Ronnie]

I'm also shocked that Katie Maloney would be a hypocrite about men. So weird. It is so weird. He took pride in bashing women, especially those he's been romantically involved with. From his high school girlfriend to every woman in his 20s to his wife to his crazy mistress she alleged. Still, I passed this off as a scorned ex energy. Until he started talking about his friends, relationships, every woman. I don't know this. He's. He's. She says that every woman he knows is crazy. And at one point, he told me his friend cheated on his wife and their small baby because she was too to stay with. To point the blame on the mother rather than the male. Infuriated me. Oh, wow. So this guy's a piece of. I'm totally shocked.

[Ben]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Ronnie]

I'm not very shocked. I don't know. I got bored just reading that much of it. Sorry, guys.

[Ben]

Well, I hope that the band is able to follow up, use this energy to put out a song that has the same, you know, beautiful melodies as whatever song it is they released that never penetrated pop culture.

[Ronnie]

Well, he's penetrating everybody else, apparently. So someone told Katie during dms, and she's like, yeah, I'm aware he dated someone else while he was dating me, but we're just friends at that point. And she says, I'm very sorry your experience left you hurt. I've been there. Dating is treacherous. Which is so Katie. I'm so sorry. Dating is treacherous. And then she's like, but it was a girl's girl. Katie's like, whatever. So then Lala has already been coming out with her own press. It's like, how do you know what Katie said? She had to crack it. She got mad at me for being with the married man, but she was doing the exact same thing. So, you know, that's a whole other thing they're trying to get going for that show that might not ever come back. That's all I got on that one. Well, so what else you got today?

[Ben]

Well, Katie. While Katie is engaging with the lead singer of a band that no one heard of, Ariana is Going to be at the Thanksgiving Day parade with Macy's. So Ariana Star continues to rise and rise and rise. I'm gonna say it right now. She's never going back to Vanderpump Rules. Why in the world would she ever go back to Vanderpump Rules? I don't know if banner pump rules even going to come back. By the way, where's James Kennedy and all this? He's been suspiciously quiet. You know, I would think that he'd be putting out some, some, some, some headlines just to say relevant, but I guess maybe after you played for Taylor Swift, you sort of hit the pinnacle, right? Like, you don't need much more after that.

[Ronnie]

Played for Taylor Swift? Oh, he played in an after party or something, right?

[Ben]

He played Coachella. He played Coachella and Taylor Swift was making out with Travis Kelsey while he played a strange remix of Cool Summer. And Taylor Swift was like listening and then was like, what the is this person doing to my song? Don't you remember the video? She's like, what the. And he was like, he wasn't playing.

[Ronnie]

For, he wasn't playing for Taylor Swift. He was, he was just around and heard it. Oh, okay.

[Ben]

He just happened to be around.

[Ronnie]

I was like, wow, James really made it. I saw somewhere like he's, he's doing a gig somewhere. I don't know. They were like, well, you know, Kyle is performing.

[Ben]

Kyle Cook is doing DJ gigs. It's been all over his Instagram now. It's like, hey man, DJ Kyle Cook playing at the Khaki theater in Suburban theater. Dockers arena playing at the L.L. bean gift shop in Maine. Come join us, the 20 year old.

[Ronnie]

Mullet arena on Sunday.

[Ben]

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

[Ronnie]

I love that Kyle is really leaning into the pure artistry of DJing by selling his drink everywhere he goes. Really well. Art has really. Art is really arting right now, guys.

[Ben]

Hey man, does anyone want to hear the dubstep remix of Crash Into Me by Dave Matthews? Come on over to the top side Arena.

[Ronnie]

Oh gosh. All right, so this is the end of the Instagram portion of this and the audio portion of this. Anybody who wants to join us on camera to talk, just have like a more loose conversation. Stay with us here on YouTube and we will keep discussing. Everybody on audio will be live every other Monday at, you know, 5:30 Pacific Time. As usual, this is always on Patreon. All the videos we do are on Patreon as well as our bonus episodes and trailer trashes. We love you guys so much. Talk to you next time.

[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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[Ben]

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[Ronnie]

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